Baseball and breakups with guest Payton Sartain

Summary

Sunday Sports Club Podcast: "Baseball and Breakups with Guest Payton Sartain"

Host: Allison Kuch
Guest: Payton Sartain
Release Date: December 1, 2024

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1. Introduction and Guest Background [00:00 - 02:09]

Allison Kuch welcomes Payton Sartain to the episode, expressing excitement despite her limited knowledge of baseball. Payton introduces her connection to the sport through her husband, Joe Kuch, an MLB player nearing his eighth major league season. She shares insights into their life together, balancing Joe's baseball career with raising their new daughter.

Notable Quote:
"Joe plays major league baseball. I think he's about to enter his eighth major league season. That's insane."
– Payton Sartain [01:41]

2. Navigating Free Agency and Injuries [02:09 - 07:02]

Payton discusses the intricacies of MLB free agency, explaining the lengthy process players undergo before becoming free agents. She details Joe's journey, including his injuries—specifically Tommy John surgery—and the impact these had on his career and their relationship. Payton reveals that Joe's first free agency was impacted by injuries, leading to a temporary break in their relationship.

Notable Quote:
"Baseball just takes forever."
– Payton Sartain [02:25]

3. Relationship Dynamics and Breakup [07:02 - 14:02]

Payton opens up about the challenges of maintaining a relationship amidst the demands of a professional athlete's career. She recounts their breakup period, attributing it to Joe's struggles with injuries and the uncertainty of his career trajectory. Payton emphasizes the importance of personal independence and intentionality in relationships, highlighting her decision to remain single for nine months to gain clarity.

Notable Quote:
"Leaning and trusting yourself is the most important thing you could literally ever do."
– Payton Sartain [68:22]

4. Life as an MLB Partner [14:02 - 22:49]

The conversation shifts to the lifestyle of being married to an MLB player. Payton describes the constant movement associated with Joe's career, including living in different cities like Washington D.C., Milwaukee, and now Florida for spring training. She discusses the logistical challenges and the emotional impact of being away from friends and family, yet expresses pride in Joe's dedication and achievements.

Notable Quote:
"He's uniquely good at something so specific, and he's willing to give it all up for that."
– Payton Sartain [13:08]

5. Understanding MLB Structure and Contracts [22:49 - 37:24]

Payton provides an in-depth explanation of MLB's structure, including the minor leagues (AAA, AA, etc.), the draft process, and the complexities of player contracts. She contrasts MLB with the NFL, noting the absence of a strict salary cap in baseball and the strategic nature of player trades and contracts. Payton shares personal anecdotes about Joe's experiences with minor league contracts and major league performances.

Notable Quote:
"There's a lot of strategy involved."
– Payton Sartain [57:51]

6. Cultural Insights: MLB Wives and Girlfriends [37:24 - 54:16]

The discussion delves into the culture surrounding MLB wives and girlfriends. Payton describes the relatively low-key and athletic-oriented lifestyle compared to other sports like football. She highlights the supportive environment within MLB teams, the absence of excessive glamour, and the camaraderie among partners. Payton also touches on the minimal drama within this community, emphasizing mutual respect and shared experiences.

Notable Quote:
"Baseball makes so much money, but the glamour of it all, it's very Americana."
– Payton Sartain [46:38]

7. Season Structure and Off-Season Challenges [54:16 - 64:13]

Payton outlines the MLB season's timeline, from spring training in February to the postseason in September. She explains the rigorous demands on players during the season, including daily games and intensive training. Payton discusses the short off-season and the continuous cycle of preparation and recovery, particularly for pitchers like Joe, who undergo extensive rehabilitation and training routines.

Notable Quote:
"A game is just like part of your daily practice, essentially, in baseball."
– Payton Sartain [58:06]

8. Personal Identity and Community Building [64:13 - 68:08]

The conversation shifts to personal growth and community engagement. Payton shares her experiences with social media, emphasizing the importance of authentic content and building a supportive community. She discusses the balance between sharing personal life events and maintaining individuality, encouraging listeners to prioritize their own well-being over external expectations.

Notable Quote:
"Intentionally choosing for yourself, even if you know you might lose a friend or you might be embarrassed or whatever it is, I think that leaning and trusting yourself is the most important thing you could literally ever do."
– Payton Sartain [68:22]

9. Rapid Fire and Final Thoughts [68:08 - 71:43]

In the concluding segment, Allison and Payton engage in a rapid-fire round, touching on various personal preferences and experiences related to sports and daily life. Payton reveals her preferences between vintage and modern jerseys, rom-coms versus reality shows, and other light-hearted topics. She also promotes her upcoming projects, including a new podcast and virtual dinner parties aimed at fostering meaningful connections.

Notable Quote:
"I'm proud of him. Watching someone you love be so uniquely good at something is rare."
– Payton Sartain [09:01]

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Key Takeaways

• Balancing Personal Life and Professional Demands: Payton's experiences highlight the complexities of supporting a partner with a demanding sports career while maintaining personal identity and relationships.

• Understanding MLB Dynamics: The episode provides valuable insights into the structure of Major League Baseball, including the minor leagues, free agency, and the strategic nature of player contracts and trades.

• Community and Culture: Payton sheds light on the supportive and low-key culture among MLB partners, contrasting it with other sports' more glamorous environments.

• Personal Growth: Emphasis on intentional living and prioritizing personal well-being over societal or relationship pressures.

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Conclusion

This episode of Sunday Sports Club offers a comprehensive look into the life of an MLB partner, exploring the intertwined challenges of sports careers and personal relationships. Payton Sartain's candid discussions provide listeners with a deeper understanding of the often-overlooked aspects of professional sports life, making it a valuable listen for those interested in the human stories behind the athletes.

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Welcome, Peyton, to Sunday Sports Club podcast.

[B]

Thank you very much.

[A]

I'm excited to be. Yeah, I'm excited to have you here because I know fucking nothing when it comes to baseball.

[B]

I know a little. A little more than nothing.

[A]

Okay. So for the people I know, Peyton, because of social media, we've gone on a few brand trips together, which we actually talked about on your podcast.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You guys want to go listen? Note to self.

[B]

Note to self.

[A]

But tell the people why you would know anything about baseball.

[B]

So this actually started long before my boyfriend, my current boyfriend. I love calling him my current boyfriend. I feel like it keeps him in his place. You know what I mean? People pick up on that on social media and they've been like, I love when you just say, like, my current boyfriend.

[A]

You're like, he's not a fiance.

[B]

As if I've had, like, multiple or something. Also, I've, like, really understated that many people.

[A]

Current husband.

[B]

Yeah, my current husband right now. You never know. Anyway, so I will say we'll start at the. At the boyfriend moment. My boyfriend Joe plays major league baseball. I think he's about to enter his eighth major league season. That's insane. Insane. He's been playing for a long time, but we met back in 2020, and he had actually just won a World Series, so he was fresh off, like, just, like, feeling great. And I've been a part of his world in baseball from afar. We were long distance for a bit, and then much like kind of you and, you know, Isaac, we moved around with baseball. So We've lived in D.C. he's played for the Nationals, and we lived in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Last season, he played for the Milwaukee Brewers. And now we are currently going through, like, the list of teams for next season. So we'll see what happens.

[A]

Is it called free agency?

[B]

Free agency, yeah.

[A]

Okay, so it's still free agency.

[B]

Yeah. And he's. He has been a. His first free agency he was supposed to have was back in 2023. And after playing, like, baseball, there's a lot of, like, playing time that needs to happen before you can be considered a free agent. There's just so. It's. There's so much time that has to pass in the major leagues right before you become a free agent. It's like a whole ordeal that I don't really understand even that well. And I'll ask Joe and he's like, yeah, I don't know. I have to look that up. I'm like, you don't even know.

[A]

He's like texting his agent. He's like, what's happening? No idea.

[B]

They have to look it up. So he was a free agent back in 2022, at the end of 2022. So. But he was injured, so, like, it was. This is his first free agency that he is not injured.

[A]

It's, like, enjoyable.

[B]

It's very enjoyable. Like, we have great options and he's going to be excited about the contract, which hasn't happened. He's 31. It hasn't happened to this point. Baseball just takes forever.

[A]

It's so craz. So when you met him, he was already playing baseball?

[B]

Like, yes.

[A]

Fully in it.

[B]

He was fully in it. He was in the major leagues, had just won a World Series. So when he was. When I say fully in it, he was like feeling himself. Like he was on a high.

[A]

He was top tier. He was loving his life.

[B]

And then he went through injury, another injury called the Tommy Johns injury, which is. He got a surgery. It's a 14 month recovery.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Before that, to avoid that, he had another surgery to, like, remove a bone spur, which was a six month recovery. When he came back from that, it's when he realized they have to do the full Tommy John. So he was out for like 20 months. So I've seen now.

[A]

That's insane.

[B]

20 months. They did. When he started for the brewers this last season, they did a countdown of how many days he's had since he's been on a major league mound. And it was like, it was so long.

[A]

Can we not.

[B]

Sorry. He killed it this year, though, so we're really excited. But I've been through the whole kind of like, gamut of him being so up and up. And then he took 20, 20 off because it was a shortened season. People got injured. Whatever. They give him the option to do that then. I've seen him through injury and I've seen him through a really good season. So I feel like in the almost, I would say somewhat short time we've been together, I've been able to see that from the back end. Another thing is my sister played softball, like, her whole life. And I played when I was, like, young. I was like. I was on my varsity softball team. Okay. I did fake an injury to get out of playing softball.

[A]

Bye.

[B]

I was a pitcher. I literally just like, threw a pitch and then I like, something came over me that I had free will. And I was like, wait, I don't actually have to do this, but I want to. I used to have, like, dreams of just turning around from the mound, turning around, running into the outfield and jumping over the fence and just continuing to run just, like, forever.

[A]

I wonder if Joe ever thinks like that.

[B]

No, he loves it. He's locked in. I'm like, I need to get out of here. So I, like, pretended that my arm hurt or something during a pitch, and I was like, bye. I, like, just, like, went. So you.

[A]

You know about. You're like, I've been through it.

[B]

I've been through all the injury. I'm kidding. But I understood. Like, I know how baseball works just on the back end, knowing softball. But also, my little brother plays college baseball now. Also, growing up with my sister's softball, she played through. She was like a professional player. Professional softball player, which is a thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then her husband played in the minor leagues for a bit, professionally. And then my parents were invested in this thing called dbat, which is like a baseball softball training facility. And they had a couple throughout Texas, so they were, like, managing players, coming in and doing stuff.

[A]

You were scouting out, Joe?

[B]

No, I literally was like, I actually said I would never. Of all the sports, because I don't mind an athlete. I grew up in a military household, and it does remind me a lot. It's not the same at all.

[A]

Oh, my God. People compare it, and I'm like, okay, there is very different.

[B]

The structure is.

[A]

I understand, like, the similarities.

[B]

Yes. Like, I was watching this year with a Brewers. In baseball, especially on the brewers, there's a lot of, like, Latin players and their wives, girlfriends, their families don't speak a lot of English. But I was watching the kids play together, not knowing the same language by the way they're talking, communicating in hand gestures.

[A]

But.

[B]

But it reminded me of growing up on a military base. Like, the kids, you're just together with whoever your dad is working with, and you're like, it's a little family. You move a lot. Obviously, my dad went into combat and all that stuff. So, like, it's a little different. But, like, with athletes, I've always. I've known a lot of them, and some are bad, some are good. There's a whole stigma, obviously, but I feel like I wasn't. So, like, it wasn't like I was anti athlete at all. Baseball players, though. I was always like, I know them too well. I would never fudgeing date a baseball player. They're the worst and the worst.

[A]

And look at you now.

[B]

And I remember coming home to tell my parents that I had, you know, I met someone and I was like, genuinely in love for the first time ever. And when I had to tell them what he did, they. They were so, like, smug about it.

[A]

Because they love baseball, I'm sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So when. What year did you meet Joe?

[B]

2020. Beginning of 2020.

[A]

Okay, so beginning of 2020 and you guys recently took a break?

[B]

We did take a break. So we dated for two and a half years. That's when I was living in dc, Then we were living in Dallas for an off season. Then we moved back to LA and we. When he ended his last season with the Nationals in dc, it hit him really hard. He was still injured. He was going to spend a whole year, most likely at that point, on a minor league contract because his arm does not work. No one's going to pay you a few million dollars at that point to just sit on the bench.

[A]

So wait, during that time, did he stay on. On a major league team?

[B]

He was with the San Francisco Giants organization, but they. He didn't have a major league deal.

[A]

Okay, interesting.

[B]

So he didn't. That was his first. It was a big, like, ego hit for him, I think. Obviously a big salary he had the year prior. He actually did get paid with the Nationals to sit on the bench. He didn't throw, he didn't play at all. But he was on a major league salary there.

[A]

This is so interesting. So, like, I'm just comparing all this to football the entire time. Like, this doesn't sound familiar.

[B]

It's very different. He was on that team. So he was just like. He was used to a certain level of play. He was used to a certain level of, like, lifestyle, I guess, when it comes to the back end, like the weight rooms and the staff and all this stuff. And he had already, you know, done his time in the minor leagues for a long time. He had won a World Series at this point. He's like, he has all this stuff.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then this injury hit him really hard. So about a week after he. His last team and asked who he was on for like six years, didn't pick him up, he literally was just like, I have to go at this alone. Like, I don't know what's going to happen. I can't. I can't support the life you want is what he told me. And I'm like, okay, all right. Interesting way to say that. But anyway, so we broke up for. It was. I think he thought we were going to break up for a few months, to be honest. We ended up not speaking for, like, nine months because I. This is at the end of 2022, and then 2023, I spent single. So I dove into that because I wanted to make sure, like, if we got back together, obviously, this would be like, we're getting back together because we're getting married.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So. And also, baseball is a lot to commit to, like, when you're. When you're gonna go move in with someone, but you also. If you love someone, you want to support them. Doing that.

[A]

It's a huge. Like, I feel like, as a significant other, you make a lot of sacrifices.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Which. I mean, my audience. I've talked about it on the podcast before, was Isaac, and I took a break, and there was a lot of different reasons as to why we took a break. But the idea of sacrificing a life that you want to live to do. Not necessarily. You don't have to sacrifice your entire life, because I. And I think we'll talk about that, too, is, like, how you've maintained your own identity.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I think that when you are with somebody who's a professional athlete, you have to, like. I mean, you didn't choose to move to Milwaukee last year. Like, you're moving because you love somebody, because you want to support them in their career. And, like, I laugh whenever people are like, why are you following them everywhere? It's like, we're in love.

[B]

Like, what do you mean? Also, here's the thing. So I. When we got back together, that was a process for me to, like. Right. I needed to go through the process of, like, mourning him, not being in that world anymore, kind of being on my own to be able to get clarity on whether or not this was for me, because I think there was. I did a whole episode about this, too, where I think it's so important to go no contact and really give it a shot.

[A]

Highly. If you are breaking up, I highly recommend no contact.

[B]

You can't talk to them. You literally can't. And you have to.

[A]

I have toxic for four months. And.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I also went about it a toxic way. I didn't tell my family or friends that we broke up. I didn't tell anybody we broke up. So I was. I was toxic.

[B]

But, yeah.

[A]

Yeah, but we didn't talk. And that was beneficial.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I think it was important at that point, too. I was 29, so I was like, okay, I'm for serious now. Like, in my 20s, I was fun. We were flirty, whatever. I want kids. I'm like, I'm serious now, and I'm going to be going through this process of kind of getting single and considering what I really want out of like the ether of this life that we had created together. Because obviously your brain's gonna tell you, go back, go back, go back, even maybe if it's not the right thing for you. So we went. We were apart for a while. Ended up getting back together, like last November of 2023. And then I lived in LA. He ended up going to Milwaukee. So I went with him in April 2024. And I think what's interesting when people say you're giving up your whole life, one, I could see what they mean because we talked about this a little on my podcast. If you have a normal job where you have to be somewhere you like, there's a lot of girls on the team who are their husband or their. The wives or girlfriends are nurses. So they don't live where their husband or, you know, fiance or boyfriend lives because they're a nurse. And they have to be at a place. I don't have to do that. I just have to document my life. So, like, it did make things more difficult after being in LA for so long, for eight fucking years, to be like, away from obviously my friends and family that I had, not family, but feel like family, honestly, that I had here. But I didn't really give up a ton. Also, I was proud of him. Like, when you watch someone doing something and again, it'll mirror kind of the military side of my life where I watched my dad fly fighter jets twice. The speed of sound. Did I. Was he gone all the time? Yeah. Did it affect my relationship with him? Absolutely. There are so many drawbacks, but, like, there were so many amazing, unique things about my childhood. Like I didn't get the dads and donuts or the father daughter dance, but I got to like go to cool air shows. I got to pick up my dad from, you know, a very different lifestyle situation at 2am and like there's the pizza parties. It was like a such a fun little. Like we spent so many holidays on base. It was so unique and fun and I feel like baseball or sports are like that too, where like, yeah, there's things that aren't good that are. That everything has pros and cons, but like he is doing something like Major League Baseball. There's very few people on a team. You. To be a pitcher in the major leagues for as long as he has been after surgeries and after all of this stuff, you have to be so uniquely good at something so specific. And he's willing to give it all up for that. Everything in his life, he's willing to kind of put on hold to do this. He didn't go through the college experience I had. He didn't do all these other things. He's given up so much for it. And that is something I so deeply respect. And watching someone that you love be so uniquely good at something, to me, is rare. Luckily, I've had two men in my life that I've been able to watch this with. Yeah, I feel like people don't get that opportunity to watch someone you love do something so sick. Like, you're just like, this is so inspiring to watch you do this. So for me, it's worth it to be a part of the whole experience. Like, it's so fun. And obviously with baseball, it's different, because in the military, you don't make any money. Baseball offers a much nicer life. So, like, I am. Please. I'm like, this is easy. You know what I mean? They're like, oh, you're giving up your whole life. I'm like, bitch, you haven't seen giving up your whole life. My mom gave up her whole life. You know what I mean? I did not.

[A]

Well, and I feel like when you guys took your break. Because I have heard from other people. I mean, my sister came on my podcast and talks about, like, leaving her fiance, who is giving her a lot of, like, financial stability, and they've been together for 10 years. So when you and Joe broke up, I, like, deeply respected it. Because you're like, okay, I honestly don't need you. Like, I want a partner who is, like, in it as much as I am, but I also feel like it's. It's great that you have, like, you've been on social media for a long time, so you weren't, like, relying on Joe for financial reasons. You weren't, like, relying on him for. Even though he says, like, the lifestyle.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

But you were able to leave because you had already a sense of independence. Like, you weren't just following him around like, oh, do, do, do, do. Like, making your entire personality. You were like, oh, I have a life outside of this. Like, fine.

[B]

Yeah, it was very intentional, the way that I've lived parallel to him. But again, we talked about this, you know, on my episode, about, like, moving, how I kind of like it. Like, when I have to settle down. I grew up moving a lot, but when I have to settle down, I get nervous and anxious. So, like, settling around, like, being in a house now we have a house. I love it. We're. But we're changing. We're in chaos mode right now. We're getting renovations done. We're doing all this stuff before. I mean, Joe's gonna have to go play. Like, the spring training is gonna start before renovations are done. Like, he won't. He's paying for this. It's his house. He. I'm like, talk about my own identity. I'm like, you can do this. Cause we're not married yet. Right. So I'm like, you know, we're not combining finances right now. That's his home. Yeah. But we're gonna do it. If we're putting furniture in there, it's gonna be what I like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I'm literally just sending him invoices.

[A]

So this is.

[B]

I'm like, I'm providing you a service. Okay.

[A]

Which is so interesting. I feel like the normal relationships don't go through stuff like that necessarily, where, like. I mean, maybe some do, but I think that the. It's so unique being with somebody who, at a young age, is given, like, a lump sum of money. And it's a lot of money. More than some people make in their lives.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it is a very unique experience. But I want to go through, like, even the timeline of baseball, because I don't think I even really fucking know about it. So it goes high school, college draft.

[B]

Yeah. So you go high school. It can vary.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, like, you'll play travel ball when you're growing up. My little brother did that forever. Softball is the same. My sister did it. So you play travel ball forever. And since I'm watching my little brother right now, he's playing college ball.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And since he was probably 10, he spent every summer of his life playing baseball every single day. Like, he didn't have normal summers. We didn't go on family trips. Like, we have not traveled as a family because everyone was playing baseball. Softball, or baseball. This is also why I was like, I'm never fucking dating a baseball player. I want to travel now. Here I am. Joe can't go anywhere.

[A]

Like, it's okay. I guess I'll go on the solo trip.

[B]

I do. I just, like, go by myself. So you have all of that, and then you go through high school. Typically, like, I think they'll send scouts to high school to, like. They'll send, like, Brooks had some major league scouts or some. And that's a major league. Yeah. Teams on watching him in high school. Right. Joe obviously had that as well. At that point. His brother had played in the major leagues For a bit. So, like, he was on everyone's radar. You get a lot of traction, though, and, like, eyes on you when you play the travel ball teams. So you'll play those through high school.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And then some people, most people will go through college. You'll go to, like, a, you know, whatever. What are the D1, D2, whatever schools. I'm like, I don't know. Joe didn't go to college. I don't know what this is. So anyways, you'll go through that process, and then at some point you can go enter the draft. To be in the professional ether and.

[A]

To, like, enter the draft.

[B]

You enter the draft and then you can be. Most of the time when you enter the draft, you're gonna go to a minor league team. So every team has their major league team, and then under it, they have a whole minor league system. And it was at some point, it was like seven levels. Now I think it might be five. Shut the fuck up when you start. And there's also indie ball, which is under the professional one, where you're essentially paying to play. But there has been some people who, like, start at indie ball and make it up to the major leagues, too. So there's so many ways to get there. Very rare to get there. In general, people spend their whole lives as a professional baseball player having never played in the major leagues. I would say most people do that.

[A]

A lot of tiers.

[B]

A lot of tiers, and you kind of go up. I don't even know all the tiers. I know the top one is triple A, and there might be like, high A and double A or somewhere in there. So those are like the top levels of the minor leagues. Right. So every team has their minor league system. They call it the farm. And that's where they like. Like they literally, like, you know, get you ready for the major leagues. And people can race through that to reach the top level and to be on that team.

[A]

It feels like a meat market in a way.

[B]

No, they. Joe's like, this is. I mean, this is a lot. Please, it's a lot.

[A]

So he's played on, like, minor league.

[B]

Yes. So he actually went to. There is a caveat with baseball when it comes to college. So he went through high school, then he was put into the draft right out of high school. So his senior year of high school, he was committed to go to ucla. He had already done, like, all the orientation, all that stuff, but he also had a sneaking suspicion that he was going to go really high in the draft. That Year. So the draft happens. They can choose from college players, they can choose from high school players. You're getting drafted to go, you know, to be in a professional, professional realm. So typically what will happen is you'll have these guys who went to college, they played for a couple years, they have more experience and they have time to grow. Like they're a lot bigger.

[A]

Joe was, I mean, compare an 18 year old to a 22 year old, right?

[B]

So typically what will happen is no one ever goes in the first round out of high school. And when I say that, I mean people do. It's very rare.

[A]

Rare, yeah.

[B]

Joe was one of those rare ones. So he got drafted in the first round. And typically if you're committed to a school, you wouldn't forego college unless you're going in the first or maybe second round because it just wouldn't be worth it otherwise. Like you'd want to go to college, increase your draft stock and then go back into the draft so you can.

[A]

Go like, fuck the education. Like we're just talking about mlb.

[B]

Yeah, who cares about the education, right? So anyways, you, you would try to, I guess you would try to angle it that way if you're trying to be smart about it. So Joe went in the first round, so he immediately just started playing professionally. And when you enter that ether, I think it was the Padres. He was with Padres. So I think his brother was actually playing on the major league team for the Padres at the time, which was really exciting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So he got drafted with the Padres and then he was in the minor leagues for I think like four years. And I think he had his debut in the major leagues in 2015.

[A]

That's. So okay, so then like you can pull up from the minor league. Okay. So from aaa you can go up to the actual team.

[B]

So I'm, I have realized this lately.

[A]

They're all the actual team, but yeah.

[B]

Yeah, to the major league team.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So I realized this lately cause I was trying through, you know, Joe got had a small injury in the middle of the season. So I'm understanding what like the 40 man roster is. You can get like, let's say you're.

[A]

You'Re 40 man for baseball. It's 40 man roster.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I'm pretty sure it's the 40 man. I think it is. Anyway, so you get pulled up onto the team. You kind of know this via spring training. Like a lot of people get invites to spring training and then you'll get like an offer. You can get like a minor League deal, which would be like triple A. You can get a major league deal. Either way you have an opportunity. Like let's say someone gets injured, which happened to Joe's team a lot last year. There was a lot of guys on the il, so they pull up a guy from aaa like all. It happened all the time. So there'd be girls that would come up from AAA or. There was like one of my best friends on the team last year, her fiance ended up being one of the best pitchers on our team, if not, in my opinion, the best. And he was on a minor league contract and he was getting essentially paid per game up in the major leagues.

[A]

So he's still getting paid major league money per game. Per game.

[B]

Yeah. That's what typically happens. I'm. I'm pretty sure now I could be wrong. This is just how Joe explained it to me. Um, so Joe was injured for. They ended up. You could, you could trade for another pitcher or you could pull someone up from your own organization. So from the aaa. So they did a couple of those things. I think my friend, her fiance ended up coming up to pitch and Joe's spot and then like another pitcher would get hurt, Joe would return and then they just would never sent him down. He ended up pitching like in the playoffs and fucking killing it. So it's so weird. Like, it's like he's. He was so good, but he was. He was on a minor league contract and things happen like that all the time where like some of the best players, like some of the guys who get paid hundreds of millions of guaranteed dollars, by the way. Absolutely. They get injured mid season, they don't play at all, or they just don't produce that year. And there's these minor league guys that are getting paid so much less and producing so much more, which is because.

[A]

For football, there's no minor league. It's literally just like an NFL team's practice squad. And then you have the 53 man roster.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So there's really no pulling up. Like if you pull somebody up, you have to keep them on the team. But then you can always get cut. But if you're so like when Joe is playing for the brewers, like, he can't just get cut in the middle of the season, can he?

[B]

He can, but they'd be wasting their money, you know, so like he could get traded. Guys got traded, so it's guaranteed. Someone like essentially buys out your contract, I'm pretty sure. So we had guys get traded that were. We had a guy making a ton of money he wasn't producing and he ended up getting traded to another team and I guess they just pick up his, his salary basically. So. But it's pretty crazy because a lot of it's based on the, the previous year. So like it's like some guys get paid a ton. Even if it's a one year deal, they're getting paid like a lot more than someone who's producing more than them. But the previous year they produced a lot. So they, they get.

[A]

Sounds like there's like a lot more that goes into baseball, which makes sense because for football there's only 17 games.

[B]

In baseball there's 160 something.

[A]

Jesus Christ.

[B]

160 games a season.

[A]

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[B]

Just ended. Yeah. So spring training starts in February.

[A]

Okay. So very short off season.

[B]

Very short off season. Joe has been injured the few off seasons. I knew him before this one, and he didn't get a break at all because you have to go in. He had to go in for pt. He had to go in for treatment.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Um, he had a very intense injury, so it took a lot to get him back. Um, so they fully reconstructed his elbow basically twice. I mean, he's a pitcher and he's a pitcher. So you have to go from not like he had to have his arm in a brace and like a. Basically a 90 degree angle for months and then they like let it out by 5 degrees once you're like getting there. And you have to go from not moving your arm at all to throwing with accuracy at 97 miles an hour.

[A]

So like, couldn't be me.

[B]

It is a long time that you have to like actually be building back up. So off season is kind of up in the air for people. It depends on, like, who you are, what you're doing. So spring training starts in February. Pitchers typically go like a week before. So I would say, like, interesting. Yeah. He's there around Valentine's Day, like we do Valentine's Day. And then he would go, um. Then the season usually starts around April 1st. This last year was like March 30th or something. But April 1st is like when the season starts. That goes all the way until I think September ish is when playoffs start. So the regular season has 160 something games. Then you have. That's not counting every day of spring training, which they play at games. And it's not counting the playoffs or postseason. So you could. When they won the World Series, he played from that February all the way through until November, and then he started again in February.

[A]

I guess it's actually not that different in terms of football because for football, football season officially ends February. If you're with the Super Bowl.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

For most teams it ends the beginning of January. And then you have OTAs, which is towards the end of March, beginning of April. And then you do that for a few months. Official off seasons, like June and then July, you go to camp.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So training or. So I guess spring training is either in Arizona or Florida, depending on the team.

[B]

Yeah. So when he was at the Nats, he was here. It was. I say here, I think I'm in Florida right now. We. He was in Florida. So he was there for a while. But there are more teams that do spring training in Arizona. Like the brewers did it in Arizona. So you could be in either of those places and then you're going to go wherever you're playing. Obviously, I will say, like, this last season we were in Milwaukee, but, like, I was in Milwaukee, Joe was sometimes in Milwaukee. He was 80 games. He was somewhere else. You know what I mean? Um, and then we live somewhere for the off season.

[A]

And so they're called series, right?

[B]

Mm.

[A]

I'm watching my baseball. So if he goes to, like play in Chicago, he could. He could be there for like a week.

[B]

Yeah, it depends. Sometimes they'll play. I mean, sometimes they play two games. That's kind of rare. But they'll play like three games. A three game series or a four game series also can happen. Also, there's times where like, let's say a game got rained out, because a lot of these places don't have, like. What is it called? The roof over the arena or field.

[A]

I didn't even know that there would be a roof over a big field.

[B]

The brewers have them.

[A]

Really?

[B]

It's great because, like, in D.C. they were rained out constantly. And like, that means you're the game supposed to start at 7. They get rained out till 9. They start the game at 9 and it's a baseball game, so it goes until 12:30. This is also before they changed the clock. They have a pitch clock now where the pitcher has to receive the ball and then throw it to the catcher again in a certain number of seconds. And it made the game a lot shorter.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

And if they don't, they get a ball against them, really, there's like a penalty. So it makes the games really a lot shorter.

[A]

There's like no flags being thrown in baseball, but there are.

[B]

There's just like. That's the penalty.

[A]

Okay, that's interesting.

[B]

So look at like a pitch clock violation. But this was pre that. So, like, D.C. was always rained out. They're starting the games late. Or what can happen is let's say the game gets completely run out or rained out, but you don't have. You can't schedule it for the next day because you're going to be in a different city that day. Yeah, they'll have like one game. They had to play against a team to like, make up that one game that got rained out. So, like, they'll have a whole ordeal. The Mets had to do that this year when we played them in the playoffs. They had to like, go Play in Arizona or something or.

[A]

Which sounds like really expensive.

[B]

Expensive. Yeah, because we travel. They travel on 7. Like a 737 is usually rented by the team. Most teams just has been on that. So they rent a plane and they just charter the plane all around all year.

[A]

And so you guys just bought a house in Florida. And so if he plays for a team next year that doesn't have spring training in Florida, he's going to have to leave.

[B]

Yeah, he'll go to Arizona.

[A]

Do a lot of MLB families stay in the same city as like where they spring train or. Or where they play?

[B]

It depends. I think people usually choose Florida or Arizona not only because of spring training, but because of off season training. That's like the best. So we moved to Florida because we are at 15 minutes from where he trains.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And it's like one of the best places, if not the best place for pitchers to train in the US So that's why we're there. Which makes sense because, like the facilities are there for the spring training stuff. And most of the people he's working with, the strength coach, all of that stuff at that facility work for major league teams. It's all of his friends, like half the team, half of the brewers pitching, you know, especially like where he was in the. In the bullpen this like half the season. So all those guys are at this training place with them. So he sees them every single day.

[A]

It sounds like there's so much movement. Just like with like the season going to different teams. How long is like a. The common contract? I guess there's. They're not like a common contract.

[B]

I don't know. Honestly, I feel like a lot of guys have like one and two year deals. If you're young, you might sign something big. If you're a superstar and you're young, you're going to sign for like a long time. As you get older, the contracts, like per year, you can make a lot of money, but you could have like a shorter contract.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so there's a lot of moving around.

[B]

A lot of.

[A]

So you've lived, which you're used to moving around just like your childhood.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

But you like moving around. How do you make friends?

[B]

So I feel like I naturally just had friends. A lot of the places that we lived, like DC Was easy to make friends. I just knew people already. I also, my degree is in politics and there was some people I knew from school.

[A]

I did not know that. Yeah.

[B]

So my college degree in politics and here I am on a podcast. But Yeah, I studied that. So it was actually really cool to be in D.C. and I was just really involved. Also really close to New York. So I was in New York all the time. Milwaukee was a lot harder. Like we talked about. It's like, I just didn't. I guess the girls there on the team were in a different phase of life than me, for sure. And everyone's exhausted. I mean, you're at a game every single day. Typically, if you are with a position, position player, married to one, dating one, whatever. A guy who plays first base, he plays every single day. Like, he plays every single night. He hits every single night. And he. He is in the third night.

[A]

Is there like a second string, third string or is it.

[B]

There are. And there's guys that can come in, like, and play certain. Like, some guys will be a catcher, but who can also play first base. And they'll do that to give guys a break. But typically you're playing every single night and you're hitting every single night.

[A]

So how many guys are on the field at a given time?

[B]

Nine. Question mark.

[A]

Okay, interesting.

[B]

I don't even. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. Yeah, I'm right. Okay.

[A]

Because I'm like, if there's 40 guys on a team, like, how many, like.

[B]

So the pitching, okay, takes up a lot of it.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

So you have like the starting pitcher for each game. You'll have a starting pitcher, ideally on a team, you have five. So they rotate out. So because you would ruin your arm if you pitched, they will typically go a hundred pitches a game. So they don't go per inning. They go for pitches because they don't want you out there throwing, you know, more than X amount of pitches. Because you're going to start, like, tearing. It's impossible to do that all the time. So you have your starting pitching, and then that's a rotation of five. Then you have your bullpen, and that's when you'll have, like, some guys are like middle relievers. Will they pitch a lot? If, like, the start is not doing well, they'll pitch a hundred pitches. Even. Almost. Then you have a guy who will come in. I learned so much about pitching this year.

[A]

Like, I thought it was wild that you were like, oh, yeah, Joe's like, pitching this one game. So I'm just gonna go to that one game.

[B]

So when he was a starting, that was easy. After he. He had like a herniated disc in his back this year, so he was out for a month. And then they traded for, like two new Starters. So he ended up going to the. To be a reliever.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And through that, he would start at random. Sometimes he would come in in, like, the second inning because someone wasn't doing well. He actually. He loves being in the bullpen. It's like all the pitchers that sit out in the.

[A]

You mentioned the bullpen. I have no idea what that is.

[B]

Yeah, so that's all the other pitchers. There's, like, the starters, and then it's everyone else. Like, some guys are closers, and they only come in if it's, like, the game. You're, like, about to lose or win. And it's like a really clutch scenario. A closer would come in, and they. They throw over a hundred miles an hour, psychotic pitches. Just. They're like. They're so specialized.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's some guys that, like, we had a guy on our team who was a lefty, which is more rare, and he threw. I think they call it, like, sub something. So he threw, like, from the side, and the pitch came from, like, down below. Like, it was the craziest like. Like, I don't know. Thing to look at. So, like, watching it from a hitter's perspective, they would bring him in. Like, let's say a lefty was coming up to hit. You're gonna actively bring him in to face that lefty because he's a lefty. And they can't see the ball as well.

[A]

So for the batting lineup, it doesn't just go like, oh, it's your turn. Like, can you change the batting lineup?

[B]

You can change who's pitching against who's batting. So, like, let's say the. The someone's coming up. Like, let's say a starter has pitched their hundred pitches, the next guy up is a lefty. They'll do things. Like, they're very strategic. So they'll be like. The pitching coach will call down to the bullpen and be like, hey, we need so and so to warm up. Because he's like, a lefty. He'll face a couple batters, and then he'll be out of the game. He won't play again that game. What, he'll just pitch one inning and then leave? They're very strategic about who's coming up, who they're going to, who they're going to bring in for that. They'll throw a couple guys a game after the starter leaves, and that's all strategic. And then they also have to make sure that, like. Like, if Joe pitches one inning on Tuesday, he's available to pitch another inning on Wednesday. But then he probably wouldn't be available on Thursday. But it depends again, on who they need. And their pitch. Their bullpen was huge. Like, there's a ton of guys waiting in the bullpen just to figure out if they're going to play that day.

[A]

Please. That's.

[B]

And they do that every day.

[A]

One, very complicated. Like, thank God. That's not my job.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And two, I would feel like that would be hard from, like, a significant other perspective. Because if you. If he's going in, like, one or two innings a week.

[B]

Yeah. And I don't know when.

[A]

Yeah, you don't know when. So you're like, oh, I have to go to all these games.

[B]

Usually I would be. I. I felt very. When he was starting, and he was doing that for a while, and he might go back to starting. He's available for both. That's why teams like what we're kind of going through right now.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Based on what they need. When he was starting, it was nice because I could just show up. All the other girls are like, fucking. I'm so tired. I've been here every single day. My child is screaming, like. And I would just show up. My hair is done in curls. I, like, felt like I was. I felt like I was like a football wag.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I thought it was, like, time for me to grab a beer. They're like, dude, I've been here every day. I can't do this every day. But when he was relieving, I actually really liked it because it wasn't like, when you're starting, you're going five innings. I'm sitting there stressed as fuck for five innings. For five full innings. And I'm annoyed. And I don't. I'm mad. Usually, even if he's doing well, I'm just like, please. Like, I don't want him to get hurt. Like, these balls are leaving the bat in excess of over. Over 100 miles an hour. I'm like, I don't need. You're the closest person. Yeah. To that experience. I've seen bad things happen to. Where pitchers just, like, get a ball hit back at them, and they're like, Shatters their face.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Terrifying.

[A]

So, yeah. So that's.

[B]

I'm nervous the whole time because you want him to do well. Also, there's times, like, when he had his Tommy John surgery. He came out of a game and just came home from the hotel and was like, yeah, I think I'm gonna need surgery. Cause he threw one pitch and he felt it.

[A]

Oh, he felt. Yeah.

[B]

So he. You're. I'm just worried all the time with the relieving. He comes in, fucking kills it. He did a great, great job as a reliever this year, which is gonna be great for him. For his, you know, next contract, he would come in, he'd pitch an any or two, and then he's out. I'm like, perfect.

[A]

Honestly.

[B]

Not bad, though, selfishly, I'm having a great time.

[A]

Whenever people say, like, oh, my God, your husband, he's on practice squad or whatever, I'm like, yeah, but he's not, like, getting hurt. He's not getting injured. Like, I know he doesn't. I know he wants to be out there playing, but I'm like, this is not the worst thing in the world. Like, he's making it because for football, he's making the same amount no matter if he's playing versus if he's not playing. Now, there's player performance checks where you get a. A certain amount of money. If you play a down in football, it's weird. It's kind of like a bonus check, I guess. It's player performance. So him, he's going to make the same amount of money no matter if he's pitching or if he's not pitching. Correct.

[B]

You get more money, though, if you make it to playoffs. Or, like, there were incentives, like, when he was offered his last deal with the brewers because he had been injured previously.

[A]

Right.

[B]

They were like, okay, we aren't going to give you from, like, scratch, a major league. Like, a spot on the major league team. You're. Everyone's kind of fighting for a spot during spring training. If you're making a ton of money, obviously you're probably going to make the team, but, like, because there are guys again here making $300 million or more, like, I'm pretty sure there's.

[A]

The fact that there's no salary cap in the MLB makes me nauseous.

[B]

Well, you know Shohei Ohtani, who's now playing for the Dodgers?

[A]

I don't.

[B]

I think he just signed for $700 million. I think it's like 10 years. So he's there for a while. But. Let me. Let me see this. You're gonna fucking die. This is not any playoff money or any incentive.

[A]

But it's so interesting because if I look at baseball and football, yeah, baseball has more games, so they probably have more money. But football is, like, one of the most televised sports in the world.

[B]

Baseball's actually.

[A]

Is it more terrible?

[B]

Very popular. Yeah, it's a Very popular noun. Shohei's Japanese. And in Japan, like, the World Series was watched by, like, just like, multi. Multi. Millions of people. Also, like, in Latin countries, it's an extremely popular sport. So internationally American. Yeah, football's like.

[A]

Football is soccer in other places, so.

[B]

So Shohei made $700 million 10 years. $700 million? Yeah. The Dodgers paid a lot of guys. Like, a lot. I mean, I would say some guys and so $700 million, but, like, yeah, multi. Hundreds of millions.

[A]

So if an MLB team has more money than another MLB team, they can pay more.

[B]

Well, that's why the Dodgers and the Yankees are in the World Series. You know what I mean? Oh, they've got a lot of money.

[A]

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[B]

I would say it's the most low key of any of the sports I've come across. I haven't been around a lot of like, let's say soccer girls, but I feel like, I know it's probably different internationally for them, but like, I've been around a lot of hockey wags. I've been around the tennis girls. I've been around a lot of football girls, obviously basketball. I've like, known some, but not, not a ton. There's like a glamour meter, right?

[A]

Right.

[B]

It's interesting because baseball makes so much money, but the glamour of it all, it's very Americana. It's like the girls are not dressing up. Very rarely are they wearing something that's not like athletic wear. Cause again, they're out of game every single day.

[A]

So I wouldn't want to dress up either.

[B]

They're not getting dressed up. They're not like, we're not going, you know, hard. We'll have like a sweet night and we'll have like free food and everyone's like, perfect. And like someone has like a teeny amount of champagne and I'm like, please, someone dragged me. Like, I'm getting blacked out. Literally, I'm getting blacked out.

[A]

So like amongst the girls, obviously, like, you guys aren't like wearing like stilettos and whatever to every. Like, if you're going to a game every single day, you're not doing that. But for playoffs, you guys like step it up. I'm saying, you guys, it's not a stereotype, but a little bit.

[B]

I mean, we had like, some girls do matching. Like, teams will do matching stuff. There was a lot with playoffs that I didn't realize because I started dating Joe after his win.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, like, I didn't realize, like, we had matching stuff, and people, like, tried a little harder. But, like, typically girls aren't even wearing makeup. Like, it's just not really a thing. Like, no one's putting makeup on.

[A]

It is so different.

[B]

So different.

[A]

It is so different from baseball.

[B]

So they like, we'll be up in the suite and everyone's just, like, exhausted. We'll have. We have a lot of meetings, too. We had a lot of team meetings with the. There's a lot of things going on. Also, all the meetings had to be done in Spanish as well. Cause there's on his last team, a lot of Latin players. So there's like a whole Spanish side of the team that we travel with, but we don't even really know. It's like a whole thing with baseball. And that's very normal for teams, too, so interesting.

[A]

And so for football, some girls, wives, girlfriends on an NFL team. Well, they're not on the NFL team, you know what I'm saying? But some of the wives and girlfriends of football players, when it comes to playoffs, they will get a private jet to go to, like, playoff games. And, like, all the girls will, like, throw money in. You'll take a private jet. I've never been lucky enough to do this. But for baseball, y'all get to travel, yes or no, with the team.

[B]

It changes per team. So, like, Joe's last team, when he was in D.C. the plane they had wouldn't fit all of us because it was. It was a 737, but it was outfitted differently. Like, it didn't have the regular seats.

[A]

Yeah, it has. Like, because for, like, the Raiders, they had all first class seats.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. So it was kind of like that because I think they shared it with the basketball team there. For Joe's last team, we were able to travel a number of games. First of all, you're always allowed to travel on the leg home, I'm pretty sure was the rule for that team. So, like, whenever he'd play, like, let's say in Houston, if I wanted to go, I would fly there myself, and then I would fly back with the team. And you just tell them you want to go. Because typically they want it to be like. It's more of like a decompression thing. They want to be, like, in the zone, especially. They were coming from, like, it was. I think it was actually Houston, then Boston and somewhere else, and then, like, Atlanta or something. We did a whole, like. It was three series in a row. He was gonna be gone for, like, two and a half weeks, and I was like, I'll just go. And I love all those cities. I had never been to Boston, so we went. But I was able to fly back from the. From the games with them, but not in those, like, middle. Like Houston to Boston or whatever. For playoffs. We had a whole meeting about this with all the girls, obviously, and we had, like, space on the. On the team plane, and we were planning all that stuff, too, for all the playoff games.

[A]

That's fucking wild.

[B]

You can stay in the hotel, obviously.

[A]

It's interesting. And I don't even know why, like, baseball. It seems like some of these teams, like, view the player as more of, like, the whole, like, oh, they have a family. They have kids.

[B]

It depends. It really depends on the team.

[A]

Maybe it also has to deal with, like, the fact that they play so many more games.

[B]

I think it has to be that because I think, like, I've been watching now that it's football season, all the girls doing their, like, you know, the game's about to start, they go down to the field, they hug their significant other, whatever. Joe. They don't do the same thing. Like, I know in the NFL, a lot of them have to stay, like, a hotel, right. The night before. And, like, you can't. No one's allowed on that. No one's seeing him. Yeah, you're not allowed.

[A]

You've hurt a few living with your parents, literally.

[B]

Baseball's not like that. So, like, Joe leaves the house before the game, and I just saw him. I'm not gonna go down and be, like, down at the. Like, down the bullpen, like, hey, what's up? I saw you two hours ago. Like, you're longer. Like, three or four hours ago. But, like. And I'm gonna see you. I'll see you in the tunnel after this. And I'm drunk and you're driving me home. That's typically what's happening.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I'm waiting on him.

[A]

I have to say something about going down to the field and getting a picture with my husband in his uniform. Feels really icky to me because I feel like a fangirl. And I'm not docking any girls who do it, because I do it.

[B]

And I.

[A]

Trust me, if Isaac is that time again, I'm gonna do that again.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

But it, like, it feels weird standing in line for your significant other. And it's like, I feel like a fangirl. Like, I don't want to do this.

[B]

Yeah. Luckily, we have a security person, so, like, we don't do it before the game. They're pretty specific about that a lot of the time. You could go. I'm also always late, so, like, maybe people are doing before the game.

[A]

Really?

[B]

I don't know. I'm not sure. Joe's always like, I saw you come in on the third inning. And I'm like, it's a long game, dude.

[A]

It's funny that he can see that.

[B]

Oh. Because he knows where my tickets are. He gives me the tickets. Usually I'll be like, oh, we had a suite tonight. I was just in the suite until the third inning anyway. So we'll do it after. And luckily, I guess it depends on the team, too. But we have a security guy who sits with us. Two of them who sit in the wives and girlfriends, like, section, the family section. And then he'll grab us and bring us down first in a line down to the field.

[A]

We do not.

[B]

Which is really nice.

[A]

Do not get that type of treatment.

[B]

But I do. Like, when we go to other teams, which we'll usually have our same security guys. They were literally the best last year. I know everything about them. I'm, like, obsessed. But, like, there has been times where I've gone down to see Joe, and people are like. They don't believe me. I'm like, that's my boyfriend right there. He's sitting there, like, come down. And they're. They look at me like, what a scum of the earth.

[A]

Oh, no. I've had. I've. When Isaac played for the Indianapolis Colts, I've definitely gotten arguments with the security people, which, granted, they're just doing their job.

[B]

Yeah, they're doing the job.

[A]

But I'm like, sir, I. I just want my cringy picture. And I'm gonna get back out for memories.

[B]

I know we're gonna want this later.

[A]

You're gonna take these photos, sir, if you allow me to get down there. If you want to autograph. I. I'll get Anybody else down there. Like, who do you want?

[B]

Who do you want? Let's bring the quarterback down. We got him.

[A]

And so it's such an interesting. Just seeing, like, the parallel of, like, football to baseball. And I know so many other sports, too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Are there every. I hate when people ask me this, but I have to ask. Is there ever drama amongst baseball wives?

[B]

I would say, like, substantially. No. I think so. Joe's brother played For a long time. And his wife was with him through the whole time. They've been dating since, like, college. She's seen it all and she's like, it was so different when she was there. Like, I think some of the older girls who are dating guys now in their mid-30s or so, so just a little older than Joe and I. I think I missed it just by a little bit because they're like, oh, yeah, the girls wouldn't, like, let us wear this. Or, like, if we wore this, the girls would talk about us. Now, I don't deal with that kind of stuff well. Yeah, there was, like, one experience I've had where a girl was coming in. Her. Her fiance just got called up to, you know, the major league team. She flew in. She wore shorts to the game and it was like, a little cold outside. But, like, where she lives isn't cold. So she just, like, didn't she. She was like, I just put whatever I need. I didn't know he was debuting. Like, he was this major league debut. She gets on a plane, comes out, like, last minute wearing shorts to the game. And some girls were like, oh, yeah, but she's really cold. Like, that's the drama.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean? That really happens rarely. You know what I mean?

[A]

Like, stupid. Like, snooty drama stupid.

[B]

And I don't play in well to it. I can't. Just for the sake of being nice. I don't do that. So I'll be the one that. That will be. I'll make it awkward. I don't even know this girl. I'm literally like, why is that weird? What do you mean? Like, I want to make someone feel so stupid. So me as a person, especially. Joe's a veteran now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I don't think I could have gone along with the cattiness. I just don't see the point. And also, like, who the fuck. Who cares? Yeah, we're here because we're watching them play a fucking game. Just let them play.

[A]

All going home.

[B]

Why are we doing this?

[A]

Like, so then how. What's the average amount of time? You might not know the answer to this, but, like, what's the average amount of time that a player is with a certain team? Because, like, are the girls, is the culture, is the who's there next year? Is that constantly changing?

[B]

Yes. So the first time I went through this was in D.C. and I was visiting Joe a lot. I wasn't living with him yet. I was visiting him a lot. And I loved dc, so I was There all the time. But the first, like, experience of the trades that happened because it was obvious by the certain, like, trade deadline that they have in major leagues, it was obvious that his team that year was not going to the playoffs. It just wasn't going to happen. So they started trading away a lot of players. This is. Joe was injured by this time. They started trading away a lot of the, like, really good players to teams that were going to go to the playoffs. So that's what happens. Like, these teams are trying to acquire the best teams to present at the playoffs. Interesting. So they were trading away, like, half his team got traded away. And I'm like. I was so, like, stressed because I was, like, so weirded out by the fact that, like, I'm not going to go to these games and, like, my. The girls that I know aren't going to be there. Joe did about a fucking eyelash. He's, like, so jealous. He's going to the Padres. Like, cool. He's. I'm just like, your friend is leaving. Like, what are you talking about?

[A]

I'm sure I'll see him in the future.

[B]

Literally. And now they play against each other. That particular guy Joe pitched against, like, four times because he switched teams in the middle of the year, too. So, like, his wife and I were joking that they see each other more than they see us, because I'm like, y'all are always. And it's weird. Like, Joe will pitch to, like, his old. The catcher that was catching with him when they won the World Series. He, like, pitched to at the beginning.

[A]

There's, like, a lot of overlap.

[B]

It's a lot.

[A]

It's really like, I see you probably tomorrow.

[B]

Yeah. And I'm also like, they know your pitches.

[A]

You were.

[B]

He was your catcher. So he's right. That's, like, sick. You know what I mean? Like, he knows all the tells. He knows what he throws. He knows because there's a lot of scouting reports that go on behind the scenes of that knowing what pitches. Now, I've recently learned there's a lot of guys who. There's, like, intel throughout the league on certain pitchers, because from second base, if you're standing on there as a runner, you can see into the glove, and you can see, like, even the way their hand is positioned. Maybe you can't see the whole ball, but you can see that. And they can nod to the hitter what's coming next.

[A]

Okay, that's really interesting.

[B]

So there's, like, intel on that. There's certain ways that that's cheating. And Then there's certain ways that, like, people just know stuff and they don't really.

[A]

They don't really tell if I scratch my chin or.

[B]

Yeah, it's.

[A]

Well, I guess in football. So, like, if a player is on a practice squad, let's say with, like, the Steelers or. No, let's say a team, like, I actually know more information about. Okay, let's say with the Chargers, okay, like, a. Somebody is on the practice squad for the Chargers. Then if, like, the Raiders play the Chargers twice a year because they're in the same conference. So if the Raiders are playing the Chargers and, like, let's say it's towards, like, the middle of a season and the Raiders want to win more, like, they might take a player from the Chargers because the Charger player is going to know all the plays, all the play calls. It's so interesting. And I was like, isn't that illegal? And Isaac's like, well, no, you can't, like, take it out of someone's brain.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. So there's a lot of strategy involved.

[A]

Yeah. Well, it's for baseball. It seems very cut and dry to me as somebody who knows nothing about baseball. Like, I grew up going to Detroit Tigers games, but that's about all I know. Like, I just think that, like, oh, a pitcher goes out, he throws the ball. Like, I didn't even know that there were different pitches.

[B]

There's. It's a lot of strategy. And some guys. This is so weird. Joe told me this early on in our relationship, he was trying to, like, practice a new pitch. But you can't be really, like, just, like, in the offseason, throwing full force all the time because, again, you're going to wear out your arm. Right? So I was asking him, like, he was kind of trying to perfect a new pitch, and I was like, well, when are you doing this? And he's like, in the game. Wait, we're playing the game every day. We're practicing it in the game. Like you're. A game is just, like, part of your daily practice, essentially, in baseball. So, like, they're throwing pitches at the highest level, like, just practicing stuff. And every pitcher has their different pitches. Sometimes you try to acquire a new one, or you just perfect the ones that you have. Like, Joe throws a slider that is, like, a really, really sick pitch that he has. And then the way it moves is very specific. And it works against some players. Like, if, you know, like, this player usually doesn't do well with, like, outside pitches and you throw him a slider that Goes further. It's just a whole thing, like, they know everything about the pit, the hit that they're about to face.

[A]

Do they have, like, film where they can, like, rewatch their pitches and everything?

[B]

Every day Joe watches, after he plays, he watches himself. He tell. Like, if he didn't pitch well, he had this one scenario where he felt like he didn't pitch very well and, like, he didn't produce that much. He watched himself, and he was like, fuck, I'm doing this thing with my leg. Then he went back and, like, fixed it, and it was fine again. So, like, he watches himself and, like, there's things he can't, like, kind of feel, I guess, in the moment that he can see on video. Yeah.

[A]

And another question, comparing just to football, what is, like, the culture of going to the game? Because do baseball fans, like, tailgate? Do you guys tailgate?

[B]

So I'm always late again, so I'm not tailgating. Like, also, I'm like, when he was relieving, I'm like, it's every single day. I will say Milwaukee was super easy to get to the field. D.C. we lived right next to the field, so that was really nice. In Milwaukee, they definitely tailgate.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, prior to me moving there, even I wasn't necessarily telling everyone that I'm moving there for my boyfriend to play on the Brewers. In Milwaukee. The brewers are, like, a huge deal. Like, they're very important. Right. When he's in D.C. they won a World Series, and people just didn't really know. They're literally like, okay, there's more important things. But in Milwaukee, like, it's a very. It's an important part of the culture. Wisconsin's a huge sports state. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So people love them there. So there. It was so different than D.C. like, people are tailgating out of the field. I was told that prior to moving, I'm like, what do people do in Milwaukee? And had so many people be like, oh, you've got to tailgate a Brewers game. You're like, okay, okay.

[A]

Like, I'm gonna be late.

[B]

Sure. I'm not. I'm not doing that, but okay. But it looked really fun. They have their all tailgating outside the field. There's some bars, I noticed at the end of my stay there, I went to, like, a, like, a little happy hour thing. Some of the bars and one of, like, the main, like, college areas. Because it's a college town. There's colleges there have shuttles that when you buy a drink, you get a wristband. And they will shuttle. Shuttle you to the game. It's like a whole citywide thing.

[A]

I wonder if. I think it's the Midwest.

[B]

I think it is.

[A]

I love sports in the Midwest.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was. That part of. It was really fun being in Milwaukee. Like, it's just. People love the team. They love the Bucks. They're just a big sports, like, themed state. Right.

[A]

And for, like, if. Do the girls always. Can you always get a suite or do you have to pay for the suite? Does the team ever offer a suite.

[B]

Dependent on the team? So like, sometimes there was a. When we were with D.C. we always had a suite that all the guys went in on together, I think. So we always had a suite to be in.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Helps when you have kids and stuff like that if you don't want to have them in childcare. And it's really hot in D.C. so, like, you want to be in the AC.

[A]

How much does a suite cost?

[B]

No idea. No idea. I know it was expensive because we got one for the playoffs, for the first round. And when we were in our meeting, they were like, if you see the team owners, thank them. Okay. Be kind. Because once you. Once the game ends, we all go down in the tunnel outside the clubhouse where the guys are to tip. That's also where I would park.

[A]

That also is cringe to me is like waiting for Isaac.

[B]

Oh, oh, I have to have a dd. Like, someone's gotta drive me home.

[A]

Oh, no, same.

[B]

I'm waiting for Joe.

[A]

Like, I definitely drove me home blacked out.

[B]

Joe's always like, he looks like you enjoyed the free liquor and the sweet tonight, huh? And I'm like, I did. Thanks so much.

[A]

I'm sorry, but there's only one day a week that I go out and do anything or see anybody. It's gonna be.

[B]

I need to be a little drunk. But some of the girls were actually fun. They were fun this year. And the ones especially, like, when we have the teams that have childcare, which there's a lot of those too. So right outside of the clubhouse, so everyone comes down, you'll see, like the coaches, like, all the staff, whatever. So it's a big, like, family affair down there after the games, which is.

[A]

Like, I feel like that's so fun. And the suite culture I like. I'm comparing just to football. I feel there's not as many suites offered. So it's so interesting, especially because it's like, team to team. Like, how much they, like, put thought into, like, the family. Like, are there teams known around The MLB that are better with family affairs.

[B]

Or I would say his last team, even though they're a small market team is what they're called. So they're not like a Yankees or whatever. They were really fucking good, by the way. Like, as much as I'd love to be in a New York or like a Philly or something like that, this team, the brewers, with what they're shelling out, they're not paying nothing, but they're. They're not like a. They're not showing as much money. They were so fudgeing good. So it's one of those things. I'm like, Joe, I don't want you to play your old team this next year. Like, I want you to pitch to have those guys because they're so fucking good. And it's like, would just suck to pitch to your old teammates. And they like, they be so good. But even that with their small market team abilities, they really took care of the families. So like, there's some teams maybe that are massive market teams who don't really care about the families that much, but they just have so much money, you know what I mean, that like they can shell out.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

But it's really what the guys choose. So like for playoffs specifically, the players were allowed to choose or they were able to choose kind of with the team owners. Do we want two planes to go out to the like to playoffs? So we have like one for players and staff and the single guys specifically are like, great because like some of the people have like four kids and they're all young and they're screaming the whole time. So they're like, yeah, two planes, please. Two planes. So there's like a family.

[A]

I haven't even thought about that either.

[B]

Oh, there's a lot. You're. You just are with all the babies all the time and there's a lot of babies.

[A]

Yeah, we like to. I'm gonna do a rapid fire question, but yeah, I feel like professional athletes, like when it comes to kids, like.

[B]

Well, they're that, that's that age. You know what I mean? Like, that's the age you're a professional athlete is really the age you're having kids.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they're just turn them out. Yeah.

[A]

You know, so you obviously share your life on social media. What responses are you getting from people that you feel like it, it's worth it to like share the. Your experience of like.

[B]

I think I, I love when people approach me to say that they feel comforted by my content. I feel Like, I'm not necessarily a viral girly. Like, I do share pretty.

[A]

You're like my comfort content creator.

[B]

I see. I love that when people are like, I know what I'm going to get. You're. I'm pretty monotone. And I like, like, I like to take advantage of that because I'm not going to be, like, necessarily what you'd think of as a tiktoker. Like, I'm not really controversial.

[A]

The opposite of me. I'm meeting loud and like.

[B]

But you're really not like that in real, like, in person as much. You're good at storytelling. You have a plan. And when I do content, there's not a plan. I'm literally just like, okay, here's my vlog of today. Which people like. Some people don't. Some people find it boring. That's fine. I kind of like to edge on that side because I feel like I've been doing this for a long time and that's what's been keeping me afloat for so long is that it's just like, like, easy to come back to, easy to digest.

[A]

And do you ever get a lot of hate? Like, and if you do get a lot of hate, what is it usually towards.

[B]

I think people have a misunderstanding of. For example, the way I grew up is one way that I get hate. Being from Texas, people assume things of me that are not true. I'm pretty open about, like, political things specifically. Like, you saw my social media during that. The election time. I am very straightforward and very open. If I believe I need to say something, I'm going to say it, so I will. And it's. I lost followers because of it, but I just like, I did too.

[A]

And I was like, I thought we knew.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I thought we were on the same page. Like, if this was a deal breaker, you would have already unfollowed me.

[B]

Have you heard of the other stuff I've said? Like, this is very much aligned with the other stuff I said, but I was very open. I've never been one for virality or, like, followers, but I feel like I've built a good community. So when someone says, like, I'd love to be here. I've been following you for a really, like, since college. People will say I'm like, I'm 30 years old now and you've been following me since I wrote on a blog.

[A]

I was gonna say, I feel like you have a very, like, solid community, which is great because I feel like some other people, it's like, quick to fame and then quick to be like.

[B]

Well, you feel like you always need to be entertaining, which I think you should be. But I hear, especially in la, where everyone's about virality, typically. I had a lot of people I saw get so burnt out because they're like, hey, what do I do next? I have to move here and do this and do this right. Naturally, I think I'm kind of already doing that because I'm forced to move, which is kind of a blessing because I'm like, there's something making me interesting. Moving vlogs do well in general, but, like, I'm forced to do them. So, like, okay, I like that.

[A]

I think that something I've always feared about is people only liking, like, oh, the NFL piece, or people only liking, oh, the pregnancy piece, or, like, only liking one part. And I'm like a whole person. So I feel like that was, like a phase. I was a little worried.

[B]

Yeah. About it can be hard because people will say. For me, I did a lot of single life stuff because I was single until I was 26, basically. And I was very vocal about, like, how much I loved it, all of this stuff. And I think me staying single and all that stuff led me to someone that I fell in love with. Cause I didn't, like, you know, settle. I did not settle, but I think I got some shit when I was talking about baseball a lot. But I'm like, I'm just gonna talk about my life and this has to do with it. Yeah, I'm at a game all the time. Like, obviously, I'm gonna be sharing that. And if there's a lot of baseball content going on during baseball season, like, that's what's gonna happen. And if you don't like it, that's social media you can unfollow. You can block me. Like, you don't need to be worried.

[A]

Honestly, I think the block button is way faster than commenting.

[B]

And here's the thing, you should. If I am bothering you or stressing you out in any. In any type of way, literally, please, for your own sake, remove me from your ether. Like, you don't need to be doing this to yourself. And I also don't have a problem with it. Like, do whatever you need to do with yourself.

[A]

So you have a podcast that is, like, one form of the social media that you like, like, put out there, and you give some good advice that. It's called Note to Self.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

What's one piece of advice you always stand by?

[B]

I think from the creation of Note to Self, My point of starting it was. I think it was 27 when I started it. I always. And I. We talked about this on my episode. I feel like I always want to connect with myself and make sure I'm doing things intentionally and from my own kind of need or want to do something right. I don't want to be. I don't want to look back in five years and feel like my life wasn't my own. Which I feel like is easy to do whenever you're like, I, Joe, people pleasing all the time. He's such a people pleaser. I'm constantly like, what do you want to do? And he's like, I don't know, what are you going to do? And I'm like, no. What does your perfect day look like we're going to do that. He just, like, cares so much, and I am. I think it's easy to fall into that trap. You want to help people around you. You want to be kind to people around you. But when it comes to making decisions for your life, what you do with your life, I think intentionally choosing for yourself, even if you know you might lose a friend or you might be embarrassed or whatever it is, I think that leaning and trusting yourself is the most important thing you could literally ever do and kind of teach yourself in life.

[A]

I love that, honestly. I'm gonna take some of your advice. And then last but not least, we're gonna do some rapid fire questions. Just because Sunday sports club, we're talking a little bit about sports.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Rapid fire. Vintage jerseys or modern jerseys? Vintage rom coms or reality shows?

[B]

Rom coms.

[A]

I'm like, that has nothing to do with sports. Me being like, yeah, we're ending off. Post game fancy dinner or late night drive through?

[B]

Post game, fancy dinner. If he played well and he's proud. If not, if it's a celebration, yeah.

[A]

If not, we're not allowed to eat.

[B]

Food if we're going. If that. If not, we get the food from the field and he just takes it home and then we eat that.

[A]

Wait. Interesting.

[B]

Yeah. That's our to go meal.

[A]

That's our meal.

[B]

Wait in silence.

[A]

Pregame ritual or a post game celebration?

[B]

Post game celebration.

[A]

Kelsey brothers or Manning brothers?

[B]

Not so hard.

[A]

They're gonna say neither. So.

[B]

No, I love both of them. I feel like the Manning brothers, though.

[A]

Hot dog or nachos?

[B]

Hot dog.

[A]

Sorry. Elaborate handshakes or basic high fives?

[B]

High fives.

[A]

Cold plunge or hot tub for recovery?

[B]

Hot tub, because I hate a cold plunge. But I know Joe would say cold Plunge.

[A]

You're like, both.

[B]

Yeah, no, he does both. We have a sauna in our house now, so he's doing, like, a makeshift one.

[A]

Okay, so where can people watch the house renovations and see more of you?

[B]

All the things. Every time I think about it, I'm like. I get a little more excited and also overwhelmed. So I'm doing a series on TikTok about it. You can find me Ayton Sartin. Instagram. Ayton Sartin. Note to self by Peyton. Sartin is my podcast. By the time this comes out, I'm launching something new called Dinner Party by Peyton. It's on Instagram. You can find it just through my profile. It's also at RSVP Dinner Party. So it's just going to be like, essentially a virtual dinner party every week where I release questions that I'm asking myself or my friends that week or family or whoever through, like, the weekend. So it comes out every Thursday. There'll be a new set of questions for you to ask your friends, and it's in hopes that you'll, like, find a reason to just go to drinks or dinner with your girls.

[A]

Wait, I love that. Okay, I'm gonna.

[B]

That's new.

[A]

I'm gonna be tuning in also.

[B]

There's YouTube, but just type in my name there. We do a lot over here.

[A]

Like, I'm multifaceted. Thank you.

[B]

We're doing a lot. Well, thank you so much for having me.

[A]

Yeah. Thanks for coming on. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.