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Sunday Sports Club with Allison Kuch
Everyone can be a pilates princess with guest Raven Ross
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The following podcast is a Dear Media production. What's up, guys? Welcome back to Sunday Sports Club Podcast, a podcast all about sports told by a woman. And that woman is me. And today I am chatting with Raven Ross. Raven, welcome to Sunday Sports Club. So, Raven, you are a certified Pilates instructor and creator of Pilates Body Hotties by Raven. And you're launching an app.
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B
Yes, yes.
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A
When are you, when, when is this app launching? What is it going to offer? I need all the, all the details because I am like a fitness from home kind of girl.
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B
Really. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Most people who work out with me, honestly are. But My app launches June 14, so coming up pretty soon. And it's really just a place where everyone from all parts of my community can come together under the same roof. You know, I originally started this whole journey on YouTube and my purpose, like my mission has really stayed the same. To provide accessible and affordable studio quality plotties workouts for women to do at home. And so I started on YouTube for free. And we still do that weekly, I think now, like, I'm approaching my third year, I want to say. And from there, you know, I started a virtual Pilates studio where people can buy in with an affordable membership and we work out live. So those people will also be able to do their live workouts mobily. And my YouTube community will be able to access their favorite YouTubes on there. We'll be able to chat, have challenges. And coming up next year, we're actually opening our flagship brick and mortar location. And so those people will also have access to everything. So we're really trying to build like a cohesive place for Pilates.
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A
I love that Pilates is, I feel like going kind of viral right now. Like, I feel like everybody is like loving seeing Pilates classes and Pilates bodies and there's so much on social media. Before we get into any questions, have you seen the tea on social media with what that girl said about Pilates?
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B
Yes, yes. Oh my God. I actually, I posted yesterday, like, kind of my response, but I still have like, there's so much to unpack.
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A
There's so for the people listening, somebody essentially went on social media and said that people who are over £200 should not be in a Pilates level 2. Yada, yada, yada. I'm sorry, that's absolutely ridiculous. Also, I, I, I don't like fitness. Like, I, I don't like when people act like you have to be a certain look or a certain weight or a certain body type to be in fitness. Yeah, it Just doesn't make sense. So, yeah, tell me a little bit about your take with that.
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B
Oh, my gosh. There, like I said, there is so much to unpack and really what comes to mind first. And literally what I said, sometimes, like, people need to develop their frontal lobes before they just start talking on TikTok.
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A
Everybody has a platform, and I don't think everybody should get that opportunity.
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B
Thank you. There should literally be a requirement of, like, frontal lobe development before you're allowed to have a platform. It would save us all so much grief. But I think really where it starts is like, honestly, like, a place of self love. Like, why are we being so hard on ourselves to fit into this image of, like, thinness, a certain type of body type, to the point where when you see other people who aren't subscribing to that, it bothers you.
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A
Mm.
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B
And like, I know I'm going really deep right now, but even at a surface level, like, I have never been in a workout class and have been so distracted by someone else's body. Like, you're there for your workout. Like, you paid for this hour. Like, you should absolutely focus on yourself.
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A
Absolutely. I think the most self conscious, self conscious people are the ones who kind of tear other people down for their looks.
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B
Yeah. 100. It really comes from inside because if you're happy, what do they say? What's the phrase? Like, happy hoes ain't hating and hating hoes ain't happy. Yeah. It's so true. Like, it's so true. You are obviously so unhappy about the way that you look that you have to bring other people down. And second of all, like, from someone who's, like, extremely short, a woman could be super tall and be £200. Like, £200 is not even big.
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I was a pound away from 200 pounds when I was pregnant.
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B
Like, thank you.
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Yeah. I just, I. I can't believe that, like, those types of videos unfortunately go viral and they still affect people. Yeah. No matter like, if the comments are them hating on the creator or not. I just think that, like, any type of verbiage like that is just so detrimental because imagine that girl who is. Who is sitting in her house and wants to go to a Pilates class and wants to, you know, like, start working out or. Or jump in and she's kind of scared and she goes to a class and then comes home and sees a video like that.
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B
Just imagine being that girl who was in that class and going home and seeing that video like that is. That has to be the most Awful feeling. And that's why I'm like, people don't use their frontal lobe. What if that was you? What if someone was like, people with brown hair shouldn't be doing plotties. Like, like, what in the world? It's actually so crazy. And really, really is the whole reason why I started off on YouTube, because I saw. I worked in studios for, like, honestly, like, 10 years, and I saw that there wasn't a lot of diversity. Whether it was, like, skin color or body type or, you know, background, whatever it was. There just wasn't a lot of diversity. And there still isn't a lot of diversity in Pilates, especially amongst body types. And so really, this whole conversation, like, just solidifies. Like, I am so glad I'm doing what I set out to do because Pilates has never had a weight limit. Like, honestly, Pilates is like, it was created for rehabilitation. Like, it was never about, like, a certain esthetic. And. Yeah, it's just so sad.
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A
I'm personally a huge fan of Pilates and I just want to say I have had very humbling moments in Pilates classes, especially after having a baby and after having a C section and having sex. Separated abs. And when I say separated abs, I mean, I can fit, like, two fingertips between my abs. Yeah, I think we're probably going to need to get that fixed when I'm done with babies. But I. I think Pilates, I have built my core, like, so much, and it's crazy what a 45, 50 minute class can do. So I'm really excited to be sitting down and talking with you. And also the fact that you stand for, like, let's keep Pilates affordable. Let's make it accessible. Like, let's just like, open the space, which is the total opposite of what that girl on social media is trying to do. It's like you're inviting people into the club. You're like, there is no, like, stipulations. Like, you are here. So for the people who might not know your story, how did you get to where you are today?
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B
Oh, my gosh. Well, I first started my Pilates journey because I was a professional dancer. And there were so many, like, cross training things that we could not do. So, like, I never played school. Could not do. Yeah, like, we were told, like, not to run because it's hard on your joints. Like, so many things, like, don't lift weights because you're, like, gonna get bulky. So I'm like, what do I do to get better at this thing that I'm so passionate about? Eventually, I found Pilates, and I absolutely hated it. At first. I was like, this. This is woo woo. Hocus pocus doesn't work. But. But then I finally found a good instructor and it was like a light bulb moment. I was like, oh, my gosh. I feel the muscles that I should be feeling. I feel stronger in my everyday life. I feel how this is going to support my body.
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Well, Pilates works. Works out muscles that you don't typically, like, know you're using.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And so when you go to a. Like, my husband played professional football, when he goes to a Pilates class, it is an incredible sight to see because he is humbled and, like, he can go and lift. I don't know how much he can lift, but he. He lifts a lot. Like, a lot of weight. And so Pilates is just a sport that you use so many different muscles that you. You don't typically use.
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B
No, all of those supportive, little tiny muscles. Like, that's why people get the Pilates shakes. I'm always, like, shaking like a stripper. Like, we're really. We're really tapping into those muscles that, like, you wouldn't use if you just, like, you know, go do some deadlifts and stuff. And it's so funny you say that, because my boyfriend is the same and actually, like, posted on TikTok a few months ago, me, like, giving him a Pilates class at home because I'm like, you are not allowed to do this in public. Like, this is actually. You look insane.
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Perfect. Like, the. The positioning. Like, this is how you are supposed to engage your abs. It's so funny.
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B
You cannot be flailing around in a class and then say that you are a partner like, that. This is embarrassing.
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You're like, I am a. Like, I am certified Pilates. I'm an instructor. I'm doing all these classes. And then. And here's my boyfriend over here who's.
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B
Literally, like, sweating, grunting, like, just so beginner. But it really. It is so hilarious to watch men do it. And really, Pilates was created for them. So I'm like, applause for y' all for even trying it.
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Exactly. So you. You got into Pilates because of dancing?
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B
Yeah.
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And then where did it kind of take off, like, in terms of it switching to be more. So your career?
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B
Yeah, I ended up getting certified and just started teaching classes in studio while I was auditioning and dancing. And I really just kind of saw how Pilates was helping people. And I realized, like, wait, I actually do, like, this community. I like to wake up early and, you know, teach a great workout to clients and be a small part of their day, whether they're just there to, like, get away from their kids or they're there because they have an injury, like, whatever it was. And that was so fulfilling for me. So I ended up helping open a bunch of studios and having clients. And I did that for years until finally, right after Covid, I was like, okay, I. I want to see more people that look like me do Pilates. Pilates was starting to grow in popularity. Oh, and then I went on Love is Blind. Yeah.
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Oh, yeah, we forgot. Yeah, we forgot about that. So when did you go on Love is Blind? Was that during COVID or right after Covet? I feel like covet always happening, but.
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I know, I know, right? It's kind of like like before the dinosaurs or after the dinosaurs.
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Exactly.
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So that we filmed that in 2021. Okay, so like, what it. In the Heat of COVID Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, very much like, you could still. You could start to travel, but it was very much like we were on set with masks and six. Like, it was pretty. It was pretty strict. So I did that in 2021, in the summer of 2021, and then kind of just like, forgot about it. I started my YouTube channel.
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Forgot about Love is Blind. I was like, well, like, I. I didn't forget. Do you think that really, like, helped propel your career into like, 100, 100?
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Like, when I say forget about it, like, at that time, only the first season had ever come out. So it's not like this was like a sure thing. Like, right. You know, saying I'm like, this could very well just like, not even happen, like, come out or whatever. Obviously I was like, living my life post Love is Blind. But I was like, who knows what's going to come of this?
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Because you film and then there. There's like weeks, months, years before it's, wow, okay, years. So you're like, okay, I did this. Nobody knows I did this. And so I just, like, go back and now I'm just living life.
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B
Exactly, exactly. It's like you do this life altering thing and then you just go back to your normal life. Um, so that's what I did. I started my YouTube channel. So by the time Love is Blind finally came out, like, almost like over a year and a half later, like, I already had a YouTube channel, already kind of had a TikTok talking about Pilates, so. Because I already had those things, like, and was naturally doing them when the show came out. Like, it was a huge propeller. And it was a huge propeller. Like, God bless.
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No, honestly, I. Because I have to think, like, watching any of these reality TV shows, if I was going on reality tv, I would, like, bust my ass to, like, make a. Make myself, like, a platform so that when the show did release, people would have a place to go. They would know what I. Who I am, what I stand for. And you were, like, a fan favorite. Me and my husband loved you on Love is Blind.
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Thank you.
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So I'm sure that, like, after the show aired, you saw a huge, like, community flock to you.
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B
Yeah, yeah, no, literally, exactly what you said. And I didn't know what was going to come of it. I was already, like, kind of doing things, but I'd saw, like, one of my girlfriends, she, like, has a business, and I would kind of, like, talk to her about it, help her out. So I kind of saw, like, okay, like, you can girl boss your way into, like, doing stuff. Like, this actually works. Like, people, like, people aren't just, like, making this shit up. Like, you can actually do it. And so once I saw, you know, a little bit of traction from the show, I was like, wait, I can tell people to go on my YouTube channel? Like, what the hell? Like, I. I had everything in place to do it. And I think, like, in hindsight, that was such a good move. I was so prepared versus, like, doing it on the back end and trying to come up with a personality outside of the show. Like, I already had that. I already had something else to talk about versus, like, just Love is Blind.
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Which I personally love, because I feel like there's, like, a high after reality tv and then, like, it kind of trickles down. And with Love is Blind, it's not like you're going on a season. You're a next season. Like, it's a totally new cast, a new group of people. So it's like you have to really, like, like, get your shit together, get it together quick, and then people have somewhere to go and continue following versus, like, you're right, like, oh, love is blind. Love is blind. Oh, wait, okay, let me go and do this. Okay, wait, let me go and do that. And it kind of feels like a little bit of a hot mess. But you already had this passion, and. And so you were able to build a community based off of, like, what you were already passionate about.
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Yeah, exactly. No, literally, exactly. I just. I just. I started talking about, like, what I actually do and who I actually am. And I think it also helped because I've Always like shown up on social media, just like very authentic. Like, I didn't try to, you know, I didn't try to be anyone but myself.
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Right.
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And so I think that attracted a lot of people to me versus like putting on, you know, how. I'm sure you understand how it is on social media, you know, kind of creating a Persona. Like, I did not do that. I was like, if I'm going to be sustainable and have people always interested, I have to be myself. Because we all change, you know, like there's like, you became a mom. Everyone's life goes through cycles and if I'm going to have a consistent audience, like I may as well start from the get go, like literally as me. Um, and I think that spoke to a lot of people.
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Absolutely. I mean, you can't fake authenticity. And I feel like it's very visible when somebody is trying to be fake or trying to create like this online Persona. I feel like it's a really hard thing to keep up with especially. And then with social media, I feel like these days there's so many in person events and brand trips and like front facing thing. Also when you pull out your camera, it's like, are you gonna be yourself or are you gonna be like this character you're creating? And so that's why social media is so interesting. But being authentic and being real, I feel like you get so much back when you, when you're vulnerable and transparent with your audience.
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Yeah, 100%. And I think they can really feel that even though it's through a screen, like they can feel when you're being yourself versus I think a lot of times when people start to like put on these Personas, it's actually like such a replica of like everyone else. Like kind of makes everyone just more similar. I'm like, if you're yourself, like, honestly, you will stand out so much more.
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B
With the water bottle.
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But it's crazy what I, I came across a video on social media the other day and it was like yes, you want to be like somebody else but nobody is you. And that's, that's something to be like proud of and like nobody, you should be yourself because you are different and that's a good thing. And like also trying to be like everybody else, I just feel like you lose such a big part and like you're, you're like there are so many people in this world that could probably relate to something that you want to do or you want to say. And maybe you don't want to wear a, a matching workout set to a class. Somebody else is going to relate to that. So it is crazy that like all of social media are people trying to influence you to act a certain way or be a certain way. But like the best thing ever is to just be yourself.
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B
It is so true.
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And I do, I am very heavily influenced.
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So I have to say, oh girl, you know what? Take away my TikTok shop at this point. Take it away. Because why, like, I'm. I'm easily influenced. Please do not tell me to buy something because I'm going to buy it. Yeah, but I completely agree. Like, being unique is so much more eye catching and appealing. Like, just like you said about the matching sets and stuff. Like, I just innately am not like that. I wake up and I work out and I look like Adam Sandler. And it would. It would be so exhausting to me if every time I taught a workout or went to a workout, I had to, like, put on an act of, like, being perfect and having this set and like, being so, like, that is not me. And I wouldn't even be able to show up for my audience if I had to do that every time. So I'm like, okay, like, literally, Adam Sandler vibes. But, like, I'm still getting this workout done and that's gonna speak to someone else who probably feels the same way.
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It's gonna speak to me because I'm like, oh, wow. Okay. They're. I'm pretty sure that top has baby poop on it anyway, so I don't need to clean it off. I'm gonna go Adam Sandler to this workout. Okay. Well, you've come such a. A long way from like, just starting your YouTube to now you're launching an app and you're. You're front facing and everybody knows your face, your name, Pilates. So what does a typical day look like for you? I'm sure every day is very different.
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No. Yeah, I'm sure you can relate. Every day is so different, but I. It's so hard to. And not me. Like, influencer problems, first world problems. But I'm like, It's actually so hard not to have like a 9 to 5 and like, be somewhere at a certain time because, like, you're making the rules. Like, you have to have the self discipline. Like, I don't think people get that. So I really.
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Self discipline, for me is. Is really hard.
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Yes. It's so hard because, like, honestly, you can do all of your work, like, at night if you felt like it. Like, you have to. No, literally me. Yeah. So for me, I teach live classes, like, usually three times a week. So that really helps me, like, be more structured. But typically in a day, I wake up, I force myself to work out looking like Adam Sandler, literally look crazy and just take calls, do fun stuff. I live pretty close to the city, so I do go to, like, a lot of the, you know, front facing Brand activations and stuff like that and get to meet people and teach, you know, lots of live classes and pop up classes in the city. But every day looks so different and I really have to like, have the discipline to just not be a slob kebab.
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Slob kebab. Well, I feel like becoming a Pilates instructor is something that people who are very charismatic, like, they would get a lot of fulfillment. My sister is certified in Pilates. She teaches down in San Diego. And she loves it because she loves interacting with people and building people's confidence. And then like, the more people come to your classes, you start to learn about their lives and. And then she starts to do privates. And I feel like if I was not on social media, I could totally see myself becoming a Pilates instructor, like a fitness instructor of some kind. Just because I love hanging out with people and making people feel good. So was the journey to becoming certified in Pilates easy? Was it like difficult? Did it take self discipline like what you're talking about now?
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Oh my gosh, it was not easy. And I think a lot of people, especially because Pilates is like so popular, a lot of people, like have the aspiration to become an instructor. And I'm like, girl, are you? Well, like, I, I think my Training was like $10,000.
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A
Wow.
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B
Literally at. Literally at some points, like, I'm like, am I in med school? Or like learning so much about the body, all of these tests all the time. Then on top of that, we had to be getting private instruction from our instructors. So I was taking private classes. You had to be taking classes, Practice hours, practice teaching. Um, it was such a journey and very exhausting. And so I did that. And then years down the line, I had to redo it to do to become a master teacher trainer. So now I can teach courses. And I did that a few years ago. And it was, it was so worth it, but it was so draining. Um, yeah, but a lot of work.
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A
That went into it. Do you ever get frustrated at people on social media who just wake up one day and come out with a fitness course because that have like no prior knowledge or information, no classes, no certification. Like that could be really bad if somebody takes your class and hurts themselves or does something if you're not teaching.
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B
The right way, 100%. I think for me it's really hard. I, I'm just like the people who are going to be interested in me and my workouts will be here. But I think. And this is like me going a little deeper right now, but I think it's because I. Especially because Pilates is so popular right now and because, like, skinny talk is, like, taking over the world. It's so bad. I know, right? I'm like, are we. Well, I don't think we are.
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A
On the bones. Let's eat a burger. Like, please, let's enjoy food.
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B
Like, yeah, I literally said on Tick Tock yesterday, like, being skinny is not a personality, y' all. Like, no, I feel like, thank you.
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A
Foodie is a personality.
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B
I'm like, y' all are. Y' all are missing the point. But I say that to say I see nowadays, especially with social media, like, girls who are just genetically gifted and just look great will just, like, start posting their workouts. Like, oh, Pilates workout. Like, this is what I do. And I'm like, not that I. Not that it affects me, but I. It does make me worry. Like, reading through the comments and I see people being like, oh, my God, like, drop the routine. Like, or xyz, like, what do you do? Blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, y' all, we have to develop our frontal lobes. Like, babe, like, just because this person looks this way, A, does not mean that they're a trusted source or that they know what they're talking about. B, doing what they do is not going to make you look like them, and it's not going to be sustainable.
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A
Like, also C, so many people have secrets that are on social media, so they could be like, oh, here's my healthy what I eat in the day, but on an other typical day, they're not eating breakfast.
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B
Exactly.
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A
I have a love hate relationship with people sharing their, like, what I eat in a day. Or, like, here's how I got my body to look this way. Because even just in my 30 years of life, I've realized that certain workouts are going to affect my body the way that I want it to affect it and make me feel stronger. And then there are other workouts, like Orange Theory, where my body is so inflamed, my cortisol is through the roof. I. My body hates it. But other people go and they get great results. So it's just not like a one size fits all. But I do believe that Pilates because there are so many different, like, ways of, like, mat Pilates and Reformer Pilates and so many different exercises. I do think that it is a. A great workout for so many people.
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B
Yeah, it is so complimentary to so many things. And I always say, like, Pilates, it's not necessarily, like, for my body now, like, Pilates is for my old lady body. Like, we need to be thinking long term, y' all. Like, what do. You're not going to be running 100 miles and lifting all this weight when you're 80 years old. You want to have something, you know? Like, you want to have something that will always make you feel good and that you'll feel com confident doing. So I do Pilates for my old lady body, but just like you said, like, for me, I was, like, heavy in a weightlifting era, and it made me feel so good and strong, but, like, I was so inflamed and constantly sore in starving. I was always so hungry. So then I'm eating all of these extra calories, and, like, I look a lot fluffier. Right? And so it's like, versus finding a happy, happy medium of doing more Pilates, walking a lot more. It doesn't trigger those same things for me. And so I'm. My body's a lot happier. And I think people just see stuff on social media and they're like, I'm gonna try that. I'm gonna try that. But they don't ever stick to one thing long enough for it to actually work.
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A
Yes, that's. Isn't that the key to, like, an actual, like a. A, A fitness routine or to seeing change in your body is to actually be consistent?
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B
Actually be consistent. It's like taking your antibiotics for the entire time. Like, you have to finish. You have to keep going.
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A
You have to accomplish that. I. I saw another thing on social media that has stuck with me, especially working out postpartum. I think it's just trying to get back. Not back, not trying to say anybody needs to bounce back, but I'm saying trying to get back to, like, oh, I have strength in my core that I set up in bed. And trying to get to, like, an equilibrium that you once were at is a little bit more difficult because your body has gone through major changes. Hormones. If you're breastfeeding, like, there's a lot that goes to it. With that being said, I came across something on social media, and it was like, consistency is not showing up 100% every single day. Consistency can look like, hey, today I'm 90%, tomorrow maybe I'm 50%, but I'm still there the next day, 10%. Because, like, I'm just not feeling great today. But, like, I'm still showing up, and I'm still. I'm still doing some type of exercise, and my frontal lobe has actually developed. When I realized that, like, walking is a workout, It's a great workout. And Pilates, even though you're not sweating like you would in a hit class, is a great workout. Like, you are working out. So it's so crazy to me, like, you saying, like, yeah, walking and being consistent in all these things. Like, there is a point to it.
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B
There really is a point. Like, literally, I did that today. This morning. I woke up, got my period. Awful feeling awful. But I still.
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A
I literally got my period today.
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B
Oh, my God. It's giving twins. Oh, my God. I literally got it this morning. Literally got it this morning. That's so crazy. And, like, I went downstairs and did my Adam Sandler workout. It was supposed to be 50 minutes. I stopped at 30 minutes. I was like, you know what? That is literally enough for today. But there was a time when I wouldn't have even done that. And I'm like, I showed. I showed up 50% today, and that's fine because tomorrow I'll probably show up maybe 75%. And all of those days add up versus going crazy Monday through Thursday and then doing nothing Friday, Saturday, Sunday, like, you know what I'm saying? Do it. Doing a little bit every day equals 100% versus front loading it or being inconsistent.
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A
Yes. So you've really made Pilates, like, a lifestyle for you. How has becoming an instructor even just incorporating Pilates into your everyday life, how has that affected your life outside of the studio or outside of YouTube? Like, what. What does it look like?
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B
Ooh, incorporating Pilates into my everyday life, Doing a lot of Pilates.
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A
But, like, has. Has, like, doing Pilates made you, like, a happier person, or has it showed you, like, any other, like, life lessons outside of, like, doing the workout?
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B
100. So many life lessons. Like, we just talked about consistency. Like, there's times for me when I'll just film a bunch of my videos, and then I won't come back to it, like, for a month. And I feel the difference immediately. Like, once I get back into it, I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like, I was missing this. Right? It's taught me so many things. I mean. Yeah, so many things. The main thing it taught me is that I. I need to be doing it constantly.
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A
Yeah. The. The crazy thing is that I feel like some. Sometimes I'll go to Pilates, and the days following that, I'll be a little sore, not too sore. And then I'll go to a class, and I wake up the next day, and I'm like, oh, wow, okay. And it's just so interesting because if you're going to a class, and different instructors are always rotating. Like, you're always going to be working out a different muscle or a different muscle group or finding, like, a new type of, like, flow throughout the class. It's. That's. I never get bored. I never get bored with Pilates. I'm such a Pilates stand.
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B
Oh, my God. I love that. I really didn't know. We need to see more about your Pilates journey, ma' am.
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A
Well, that's the crazy thing is that I feel like I haven't really shared that much of, like, what I've been doing working out wise postpartum, because I didn't really feel like I saw results. And I was like, well, I don't want to share. Like, I don't know. I'm just, like, really trying to, like, fall back in love with working out. And then I recently got an ozempic allegation and I was like, wait. I'm like, what's going on?
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B
So you think I'm really skinny? My working?
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A
No, but I. It's so crazy because I just. I think that everybody needs to put away, like, oh, I just need to get skinny. Oh, I just need to look like this. Oh, I need to do this. And just, like, finding a workout that you genuinely love. Do you think that Pilates affects, like, mental health?
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B
Yes, Pilates definitely affects mental health. I think there's definitely. Especially today, I think there's definitely something to movement and mental health. A lot of us sit at a desk all day or behind a phone all day and don't get a lot of movement or we're not doing movement that really connects, like, your mind to your body, trying to find those little tiny moves, you know, connecting your breath. Pilates, like, has tons of breath exercises. So I think it can really affect your mental health. Like, I'm sure all of us, you wake up feeling grouchy and you do a little workout and you're like, oh, wait, actually, like, okay, it's right. It's gonna be a good day. But I think also it could be the flip side. Like, people are taking it to the extreme, talking about you can't be £200 to do Pilates. And I think people are leaning into, like, the stereo. The Pilates stereotype of, like, these thin women. And that can be super dangerous, too, for mental health.
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A
But typically, yeah, I was gonna say, who. Who can go to Pilates? Like, like intern. Like, do you think. Do you think Pilates is. Is a workout for everyone?
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B
I think Pilates is a workout for Everyone. But I also think we need to be realistic about individual goals. And I think that is, like, maybe at the core of what that girl was saying. I'm not sure. But especially on social media, I'll see people saying, you know, I did these Pilates workouts to lose a hundred pounds. And it's like, girl, you are not going to lose £100 on. On a reformer. Like, let's be actually for real, right? So I think Pilates is for everyone. And it's first people who have different goals. But I think really understanding your own goals will determine how Pilates fits into that.
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A
Totally. Going to a Pilates class, your body is not going to change overnight. But add in Pilates on top of a ton of walking or maybe running, if you like that. A healthy diet, a balanced diet, drinking a lot of water, being like mentally healthy and. And doing it because you actually really enjoy Pilates. Going with friends, I feel like that's the way that it more so impacts your life versus, like, oh, I'm gonna go to a 45 minute class and my body's gonna look like this.
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B
Exactly. No. 100%. It's kind of like you said about your husband, like, that's why athletes do Pilates. It's not like, because Pilates is gonna change their lives or make them throw a football further, but it's because it's supportive, because it's gonna connect these tiny little muscles, it's gonna support their joints. It's not, it's not gonna change how many points they score, like, but it's gonna work them in a different way that they're not used to. So being honest about your goals is going to determine how you should be doing Pilates or utilizing it, for sure.
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A
Do you, do you have any. Do you have any wellness habits that you, like, swear by? Like, on top of Pilates?
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B
Ooh, wellness habits that I swear by on top of Pilates. That's actually a great question. Honestly, walking, tracking your steps, like, not in a psychotic way. People are psychotic.
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A
I'm sorry, on social media, the walking pad fad. Yeah. I'm actually very thoroughly impressed. One of my friends on social media walked a marathon during her work day one day. And I was like, actually, how. Or maybe it was a half marathon. A marathon. I feel like that might be. I may. You might be walking the entire day. But I was. I'm just so blown away by like, the walking fad and the walking pads.
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B
Yeah, no, the walking pads are. I understand it because, like, I live in the Northeast, so when it's winter time. Like, yes, you need to get you a walking pad. But no, people are. People are so extreme about it. I don't have like a, A walking pad desk, so, like, I can't use it as much, thank God. Um, but I've always incorporated walking and it's something that I just love to do, especially for mental health. Honestly. Like, I love a mental health walk, but my other wellness habits would probably be sleep. I think sleep is so important and underrated. And like, we talk about it, but, like, I don't feel like people really practice getting good sleep.
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A
And I go, right.
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B
Like, it's. Sleep is so important. And when I'm really good about my sleep, like, I do notice a difference in my body. Like, I, I notice a difference across everything. My mood, even, like, my cravings. Like, I don't want to like, eat my face off and eat all this crazy stuff. And I do when I'm tired.
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A
I have to say this because this just came. I'm like, is my frontal lobe literally developing in this, in this podcast episode? It's. You see a social media influencer, skinny, going to Pilates, this and that. Like, maybe if you follow their routine, you're going to look that. Like that. No. That person is getting eight hours of sleep because they don't have any children and they don't have to wake up at 6am to drive to work. They're going on walks because they're literally recording a how many walks I can or how many steps I can take in a day type of video. And they're eating all these foods because aesthetically they look beautiful online. So it's crazy because the, the way that, like, work life balance is, especially in America, I feel like it's creating such unhealthy habits for so many people in terms of sleep, in terms of water, and then running to a hit class for 40 minutes. Your body is like constantly just stressed.
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B
Yes. No, I totally, totally, totally agree. There is not enough balance. Like, people are literally sitting all day. And then like you said, we'll just like run and take a berries class and then go home and like drink three glasses of wine and go to sleep. Like, where is the in between? And it is hard because people work all day, people have kids, people might have to take care of family members. We all have such a different story, but I think we can come together to like, support each other better. And making little small changes. Like, it is the little tiny changes that if you're consistent, that's where you see change. Because you're right. We're all looking at these influencers. And I'm like, oh, my God, her skin. Like, for me, I'm like, her skin is so perfect. And like, well, yeah, it is. Like, what? Like she has all. First of all, she got all these products for free. Second of all, she can go get a facial at any time because she doesn't need child care. Like, she doesn't have a 9 to 5. Like, of course, course. Like, people like, please, let's think critically.
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A
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That's acorns.com a c o r n s.com Sunday paid non client endorsement compensation provides incentive to positively promote Acorns tier one compensation provided investing involves risk. Acorns Advisors LLC and SEC registered investment advisor view important disclosures@acorns.com Sunday I kind of love that you said sleep as, like, one of your wellness, like, like, recommendations. Because I do agree that, like, sleep is, like, fundamentally, your body needs sleep. Yes. And it's crazy because they say you need, like, as women, they say you need almost 10 hours of sleep. Men can, like, survive on eight. I'm like, okay, we get it. Like, whatever. Like, we just have a lot more going on in our bodies. We're a little bit more complex in, like, the most positive way.
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B
Literally.
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A
It's crazy because when was the last time you got 10 hours of sleep, girl?
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B
In the womb. Like, actually in the womb.
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A
My daughter taking, like, she goes to sleep at 7 and wakes up at 7. I'm like, okay, slay, slay.
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B
I bask in this moment, girl. Because literally, it's like, I would wake up in a panic. If I got 10 hours of sleep, I. I'd be like, take me to the hospital. First of all, something is wrong, which is so not good. And I think it's actually sad. Like, as women, there's so many studies that have not even been done, like, on our bodies. We have all this information, like, that they got from men. We are so different. And so, yeah, we've always lived by, like, six to eight hours. Like, when I get six hours of sleep, like, do not talk to me. Six hours is not enough for me. Get. Get away from me. If I had six hours, actually look the opposite direction. I'm not a human.
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A
I'm like, you know, the kid. Having a kid, it really will humble you because you're like, oh, I got five hours. Like, I feel great.
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B
For that.
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A
Your expectations down, for sure.
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B
God bless you.
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A
We're getting more sleep now, but usually around the time where you start getting more sleep, you're like, oh, I could definitely do a second baby. And then you're like, oh, we're just. We're just gonna keep moving forward here. I am, like, trying to go off topic. I'm like, yeah, so, like, kids, okay, well, I know a lot.
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B
You're having a second baby.
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A
I'm like, thank God. Thank God. I've been waiting. No, but I feel like a lot of women listening to this podcast, like, either are our moms or live a crazy, hectic life. They're commuting to work. They're living a very busy lifestyle. Like, everybody that is in my community, I feel like, has some sort of chaos. Don't we all have a little bit of chaos? But I love that. And I feel like one thing I have to say about Pilates is that it can be a little intimidating. So what would you tell somebody who wants to try out a Pilates class, a Reformer Pilates class, but is feeling a little intimidated?
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B
I would say start at home because the barrier of entry is so low. Right. It's you on a mat in your Adam Sandler clothes. You don't have to pay. Like, it's free. And that's really one of the reasons why, like, I started my YouTube channel. Go on YouTube. There's so many options. You don't have to just look at mine.
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A
But, like, you should.
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B
That's hot. But you should. But that's where I would start if it was something like, maybe I'm interested in and, you know, it does look scary. Or a lot of people in my community, you know, maybe they live far from a Pilates studio. And so, like, it's going to be hard to get there consistently. I would definitely start with something at home because Pilates, Matt, Pilates is just as beneficial to you as something on the Reformer, but it is less scary and it's easier to follow along. And I would definitely start there.
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A
I. I remember going to my first Reformer Pilates class. My sister was the instructor. So I was like, I'm not scared. But then she was like, okay, one red to yellow. I go, what? What's red and what's yellow? Like, it's changing out the springs.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And then I was quickly humbled. So there are YouTube videos of people showing you, like, what the Reformer is, how to change the springs. I feel like that's one of my favorite parts about social media is that there is everything on social media in a good way. Like, if you were curious about how to change your spring in a Reformer, there's probably a video for that if you're curious of, like, oh, what should I do to, like, prepare if I want to try out a Reformers Pilates class? I'm sure there's classes at home that you can do that. And that's one of my favorite things. So when you talk about making Pilates more accessible and affordable to people, that's like, what I love.
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B
Thank you. Yeah, no, same. There's so much information on the Internet and if we use it the right way, it can be so beneficial. Like, except a lot of times we don't use it the right way. Exactly.
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A
Which, speaking of the right way, can we talk about Pilates shakes? Because they're so humbling. Girl, as a master in Pilates, literally certified. Do you still get the Pilates shakes?
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B
Oh, my God. Literally the other day I was filming a class or I think it was. It was live on zoom for my community. My left foot was shaking so bad. Like, I'm sure they could hear it in my voice. I was like. I literally was like, keep going, y' all, because this is so bad and so humbling. But it's also, like, I love that I'm able to share that and, like, that I've been doing pilates for over 10 years and, like, it's still challenging. It's still. Still challenging. It's still humbling me. It's still interesting. And, like, I'm. I'm just like, you. Like, this. This is hard af. I get the potty shakes all the time. People message me like, oh, my gosh, shaking like bacon. Because I'll say that too. I'm like, yes, I'm shaking like bacon. It's. So if your shakes are.
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A
Yeah, if you're. If you're shaking in a Pilates class, is that a good thing? Is that a bad thing? And, like, should you make modifications or, like, what. How should. Or should you just let it happen? You're like, no, we're doing this.
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B
I think it really depends on your experience doing Pilates or just exercise in general. Like, if you're a beginner and you're feeling overwhelmed and you're getting the shakes, like, I would definitely modify. There is no shame in modification game. Like, I'm sure you can attest to this. Like, being postpartum, like, sometimes a modification is better.
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A
Like, there are 60, 70 year old women in my class, which makes it feel very comforting. But I am modifying and they're doing, like, if you want to push yourself a little bit more, here's another thing you can do. And they're just like, feet on the bar. And I'm like, I'm on my knees, sis. Like, I am on my knees.
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B
Same. Now, modifications, when you need them are. It's your body. I literally always say, work out with the body that you have today, not your body from yesterday or last year. Or like, so many of us, especially as women, like, going through postpartum or whatever. It might be like, you remember what you used to be able to do or. And it's like, it doesn't matter. Work out with the body that you literally have right now.
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A
That's like, me trying. I'm like, yeah, my abs don't work. I wish I could, like, wear a sign around my neck that's like, I had a baby. Like, that's why I'm shaking. But it doesn't actually matter because if I go Into a class. And like, my mom goes into a class, she could kick my ass. But like, that, that's my favorite thing about Pilates is, like, people come out of the woodwork. I feel like it's kind of like, very similar with yoga in the fact that, like, you go into a class and people surprise you. They are doing moves that you never thought were possible, and they're killing it. And you're like, wow, I. I will be doing all the modifications.
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B
No, literally, I. When I used to teach in studio, like, so many of my clients were like in their 60s, their 70s, killing it, doing the hardest stuff. And then I would be like, dying in a beginner class. And I've been doing it for 15 years. Like, it's really. It's work out with the body that you have that day.
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A
I love that. Do you have a. A favorite Pilates move?
- [66:26]
B
Oh, a favorite Pilates move. Honestly, probably bridging, because I, I prefer to do lower body. My upper body is. Is like, absolutely embarrassing. So I love. And I feel like bridging has, like, core to it, a lot of pelvic floor benefits. And like, also my butt and my hamstrings are on fire.
- [66:50]
A
Yeah, I. I actually love arms. Really, like getting those straps and just doing all the types of moves. It has. It has almost influenced me to buying, like, or not buying, but, like, telling my husband I want a reformer in our house. I'm like, okay, remember that for Christmas. Remember that for the next birthday. Like, because I do think that Pilates going to a class is like, so fun. But also, if you only have 15 minutes, Pilates is a great workout, and you can do a lot in 15 minutes, whether that be on a mat or on a reformer. What. What would you say is the difference between reformer and Matt Pilates? Like, obviously there's no reformer when you're on the mat.
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B
Yeah, well, really, Joseph Pilates created the mat work, right? And then he actually created the Reformer as like, a additional tool to help people who needed more assistance getting into the position. So people that were injured or maybe their leg was in a cast, you can still put your foot in the straps and do certain exercises, versus if you were on the mat, you wouldn't have the support of those straps. So I, I posted about this the other day, and some people were being haters, but I was like, you guys, once you really get into the system of Pilates, you realize that on the mat you're a. The transitions are faster because you're not like, blue spring, red spring. Oh, my God, like, you're moving through a lot quicker, so you're doing more exercises, you're burning more calories, but you also don't have the assistance that you do sometimes. On the Reformer. It's literally you against gravity and your own body weight, which is so humbling. Versus, for instance, like, when you're in a plank on a Reformer, the carriage and the springs do pull you back in. Like, you have to press them out, but they're literally pulling you back in. So I think once people start to think about it that way, it's like, wait, there is value in Matt. And like, you could do it at home if you only have 15 minutes. And it's actually going to make your reformer practice, like, even better.
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A
I need to try. I need to go on and do a class from you because, yeah, I have. I don't think I've ever really done Matt Pilates. I mean, surely, surely at some point I've attended. It sounds like something I need to. I need to start incorporating. And the thing that I love about Matt Pilates is, like, you don't actually need anything. Yeah, you don't need anything. So, like, that's something that can make it so much more attainable to, like, somebody to fit into their very busy lifestyle or somebody who doesn't want to spend a ton of money on X, Y or Z. Like, it's very accessible.
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B
Exactly. And I think sometimes we're missing the point with that on social media that, like, Pilates is actually very accessible.
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A
You guys are almost missing the point. Like, you don't need to do, like, you would literally just do it at home on your rug and you're good.
- [69:57]
B
Literally.
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A
Adam Sandler, me, every day. So what. What do you want people to feel or take away after a class with you?
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B
That is such a good question. I want people to feel challenged. I want people to feel inspired, and I want people to feel greater community. I think that's really been important to me and everything that I've done is just really fostering community amongst the people who do my workouts or whatever, follow me on social media. I think that we need more of that. So, yeah, I mean, I want you to get a great workout and I want you to feel like, why did I just do that to myself? But I want you to feel empowered, you know?
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A
So, yeah, I love that. I. I feel like we need more people like you in the fitness community on social media, especially because unfortunately, the loud voices are the ones who are tearing people down when we really should be, like, lifting people up and. And yeah. Promoting, like, trying new things, whether it be scary and maybe you try Pilates and you absolutely hate it. Sometimes I hate it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Then I love it. And so I feel like we. We definitely need more people like you who are committed to making it affordable and growing that community and being a very positive community. That's not going to shut out other people.
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B
Yeah. Thank you. I'm. Girl, I'm trying.
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A
Well, I'm excited for the app to launch and I'm also gonna literally take one of your MA Pilates classes. So I'm really excited. But before we end the episode, I always do some rapid fire questions. Okay, you ready? I'm like, they're not hard reformer or Matt. Matt. Music or silence?
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B
Oh, music.
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A
Oh, my God. No music. Who are you crazy?
- [72:13]
B
No. Music. Music. Yes. I'm saying yes.
- [72:15]
A
Music. People who. Shoes. No. Music.
- [72:17]
B
No. That's crazy. That's insane. Yeah, that's insane.
- [72:21]
A
Like, people who like raw dog a marathon or like raw dog a flight. And like, don't bring headphones or a book or anything.
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B
No. They should study. You should go to gym. Because I feel unsafe.
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A
Morning or evening sessions?
- [72:36]
B
Morning.
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A
I agree. Are you an early morning?
- [72:41]
B
Yeah.
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A
Like, how early?
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B
Like, for me a late workout is 7:30. Okay.
- [72:50]
A
That's not okay.
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B
Like, like, typically, like, I wake up at like, I wake up at like 6. Naturally. If I'm teaching class, I wake up at 5.
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A
What time do you go to sleep?
- [73:02]
B
Oh, I try to get in bed around 9:30, but a lot of times I go to sleep at like 10, 10:30.
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A
Okay. That's a little right up my alley. Pilates with friends or going solo with friends. It is. It is one of my favorite classes to go to with friends because you're all just looking at each other and you're all just like shaking. Yeah. Okay.
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B
And it's not like one of those, like, dark classes where like, then you can't talk to your friend and like, the music is like.
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A
No, I'm like, I'm not talking to anybody during those classes. I just feel like this is so different. Yes or no to sweet treats?
- [73:41]
B
Yes.
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A
Stretching before or after Pilates? After long holds or pulse movements?
- [73:54]
B
Honestly, a long hold.
- [73:57]
A
Even when the instructor says long hold. I'm gonna pulse it. I'm gonna pulse it out because. No. Thank you. It's so hard.
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B
It's so. It's much harder. I know.
- [74:07]
A
Yes. It's crazy because the small pulse is like it. You feel it and it's. It hurts. But the hold is 10 times worse for me.
- [74:15]
B
10 times worse.
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A
Cold plunge or hot tub for recovery?
- [74:19]
B
I love a cold plunge. I really do. I know we.
- [74:25]
A
We have a cold plunge. Ask me if I've ever been inside of it.
- [74:28]
B
No, I really want one. We have a sauna and I do use it, but I just. I feel so much better after a cold plun.
- [74:38]
A
Now my cat. My cat keeps me on. She's like, you're almost done, right? Men in Pilates classes. Yes or no?
- [74:47]
B
And now.
- [74:50]
A
We'Re the girls. Sorry.
- [74:52]
B
Sorry.
- [74:53]
A
I do the Pilates classes that I go. I go to, like a. What am I saying? I go to, like, a Pilates studio. That's what I'm saying. I go to a specific Pilates studio and they have female only classes and then they have co ed. And I kind of love it because I feel like it's a little bit more welcoming if it's not co ed and you're, like, just getting into it. Right? At, like, at postpartum, I was like, do not take me to a coed class. Like, I just want to be amongst women.
- [75:21]
B
Yeah, I really feel that. And as I'm, like, in the early stages of opening my studio, I'm like, very much going back and forth, like, should I just, like, make it all girls? But then, like, I don't wanna. I know men do need it, but I'm like, why would a man be there? Why would a man be there?
- [75:42]
A
I. I want to say the only Pilates classes my husband has attended have been with me. Yeah, I do. I do kind of love. It's almost empowering to take my husband to a Pilates class because he sees me and then he sees himself and he's like, oh, okay, She's. Yeah, she's been doing her thing.
- [76:01]
B
Yeah. And then they, like, kind of, like, get, like, competitive. They're like, oh, wait, like. And I'm like, you can't. You just. You can't fake it.
- [76:08]
A
It's not like you can go and get a bigger weight. Like, you genuinely. I see you shaking. You're like. Anyways, thank you so much for coming on. Where. Where can the people find you on social media?
- [76:22]
B
You can find me all channels at plottiesbodyraven and Lottie's Body Hotties on Instagram, our community page, and then pilatesbodyraven.com I love that.
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A
Well, thank you so much for coming on and thank you guys for listening. We'll see you next Sunday. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services, individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.