← Sunday Sports Club with Allison Kuch
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The following podcast is a Dear Media Production. What's up, guys? Welcome back to Sunday Sports Club Podcast, a podcast all about sports told by a woman, and that one is me. Hi, guys. I'm Allison Cooch, your host, and today we are joined by. Oh, I should have definitely cleared how to say your last name. Chloe Gotts.
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B
Got chalk? The S is silent. Yes.
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A
Got chalk.
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B
Yep. Chloe.
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A
Gotcha.
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B
Yes. Yes.
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A
Okay. Is that your maiden name?
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B
Yeah, that's my maiden name. Okay.
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A
Anyways, welcome to the podcast. She is a content creator, founder of the bike app, wife and mother of two, and somebody I've loved following in, like, the fitness space. I think I came across you when you were. You were pregnant and lifting, and I was like, wow, I really respect this girl. And I also came across your husband, like, making you food while you were pregnant and all the things. So I really want to, like, talk to you about, like, fitness, making time for fitness as a mom, and just kind of life in general.
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B
I love that. I'm so excited. All my favorite things to talk about, honestly.
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A
Well, for the people who are first discovering you now, how would you describe, like, what you do and what you're known for?
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B
Originally, I'm actually known for fitness. Before Addison started posting, I was a fitness influencer through and through. I would only post workout videos. People didn't know much about my life. And when Covid hit Addison's job kind of became obsolete. He was working a full time corporate job and he had a lot of time on his hands, and I actually had less time on my hands because everyone was suddenly working out at home, needed workouts to do. And I was like, wait, this is, this is what I'm here for. So, yeah, like, ironically, I was more busy during COVID So he started cooking and I was like, you should just post you cooking. People might like to see it. Not very many men are content creators. Not very many men cook the way you do. So he started posting, and I feel like that kind of flipped the switch on what kind of content people like to see from me. And I've been able to come into more of a lifestyle creator as well as fitness motherhood humor. I feel like I kind of tap a bunch of different things just kind of depending on what I feel like posting that day. But I'm obviously very into fitness still. I have bica, which is my fitness app. So, yeah, I feel like I've got my toes in a lot of buckets and I like it.
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A
Well, I'm sure that must be, like, also freeing for you. Like, oh, I don't just have to post, like, workouts every single day. I can post about, like, what I'm eating. I can post about things. As a mom, I can. It kind of like, I don't know, diversify as, like, what you want to post.
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B
Yeah. I feel like I have the freedom to be me more, which, when I was strictly a fitness influencer, if I posted something about my life, people didn't care. And I was almost in the mindset of, oh, I have to give them a workout. I, like, I owe that to them. And now I'm allowed to just be who I truly am. And it's very freeing. And it's a lot more fun to show different parts of our lives, I feel like, because, I mean, gosh, the other thing about it is when I was strictly fitness, my appearance was tied so heavily to how I perceived my success. So when I got pregnant with my daughter in 2021, my body was changing. Obviously. I was literally growing a child. But it really messed with my mind because I was like, who's going to take fitness advice from me when. When I don't look fit? Like, my stomach, obviously, it's rounding. It's. I'm gaining more fat, more cellulite, and I'm like, no one's going to want to buy a fitness program from me now. And it kind of messed with my mind a little bit. So it's really nice to now be in a path of content creation where my body is detached from my worth with my content, if that makes sense.
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A
A million percent. It's interesting. A lot of women can probably relate to that, though, is like, your body does change when you're pregnant, and it can kind of be, like, very challenging. Even though, like, you might have, like, this great relationship with your body, you might, like, go on a ton of walks and, like, live a very healthy lifestyle in terms of fitness. But, like, your body will still change no matter what because you are growing a human.
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B
Yeah. You can't stop it.
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A
Yeah. So I'm sure, like, a lot of women listening can probably relate to that in terms of, like, social media. I don't know. A ton of couples who have separate social media and, like, kind of post different things because me and Isaac post very different content. I mean, I was gonna say, I
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B
was like, we're very similar in that most couples have a couple's page.
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A
Yes.
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B
And I love having separate accounts. I love that he's known for food because that's his world and that I'm known for fitness and Motherhood, which is my world. And I feel like it's. I love it. I love having my own page and him having his own page. I think that more couples should probably, like, separate a little bit. Like, you can double your income too, with content creation.
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A
It's. It is super interesting because. Was that, like a thought when you got. When Addison first started social media, like, oh, we should definitely keep things separate and like, post our own things.
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B
It wasn't even intentional. So when I started posting, I started posting because I got medically disqualified from playing college soccer. And my whole life, I grew up being told what to do for workouts, and all of a sudden I was not playing soccer. And I was like, wait, what am I supposed to do here? No one, no one's giving me like a workout, a list. What are you talking about? So I started posting workouts in 2018 just because I was like, some girls that I went to college with and worked with at a tanning salon, they're like, what workouts do you do? And I was like, I'll just post them. Like, this will be fun. So I just started posting them for fun. My only goal at that point, I was like, maybe I'll get like a free outfit for from this eventually. Like, that was my goal. So I had no plans of making a living out of it ever. It kind of was a happy surprise. And when Addison started posting, it wasn't even intentional to be like, make your own page. It was just, I have my thing, I have my following. People want me for fitness. They probably won't want to see him cooking on my page, so why not have your own thing so it can be dedicated to what you want it to be about. And again, like, it was more of an outlet for him because he loved cooking. And he, like, told himself, he's like, I don't know how to edit. And I was like, well, I didn't either. You just, you just gotta learn.
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A
And you're like, go learn, bud. Yeah.
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B
I was like, no one taught me how to edit. I just did it. So it was really cool though, because he had a lot of self doubt with starting his page. He was like, no one's gonna wanna watch me. No one cares. Da da da da. And so it's been really, really cool that he started his own page. And I think like, the third video he posted got like a million views. And I was like, okay, what the hell? Like, hello? I still haven't got a million views, you guys. But no, it's. It was really cool to see him grow. And he grew really fast. He, I think, entered social media at a really good time. He grew really fast. He outgrew me very quickly. And that's when we were like, wait, you could actually make money off of this? So, yeah, it was just kind of like happy accidents that we both ended up finding success in social media and turning it into a job for each of us and that we have our own things. I think it's really nice for us to have our own things too.
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A
And is it nice just to be able. Because you don't really have coworkers when you're a content creator. So is it kind of nice to, like, have somebody who knows how to film and knows how to edit and, like, kind of gets what you're doing?
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B
Oh, yeah. If I hand him the phone and I'm like, I need you to film this. He's already in his mind. He's like, she needs space above her head for words. She doesn't like it too high. Like, he, like, is going through all the processes and I'm like, ah, yes. Like, you just get it because sometimes you can't film yourself. And it's fun though, too. Like, I'm sure you think this with Isaac. It's fun that people get to see both sides of, like, a family dynamic. Like, they go to him and they see his side of it, they see my side of it. And I feel like people probably like that, seeing the full picture of things, you know?
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A
Yeah, absolutely. And it's just like a different perspective too. Like, people have a different opinion of me when they watch Isaac's videos, and then they have a different opinion when they watch my videos. And it's like, well, that's like me just like being in my marriage. And then this is like curating, like, what I'm putting out there. So I'm like, they're very different people, but the same at the same time.
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B
Yeah. The assumptions about me differ based on whose video they're watching and what that video is about. And it's kind of funny to see these assumptions about me. And I'm like, huh, really? That's interesting.
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A
I'm gonna put that in the back of my mind with both of you doing content creation. Usually that's like a work from home job and you have two kids. So how is it juggling? I think I saw you post about, like, how you guys kind of take shifts throughout the day. But, like, what does a typical day look like for you?
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B
Oh, God, it varies, honestly, depending on what bike has going on. Like, Our daughter, she's in part time preschool now. It depends on what bike has going on, what ads we have, what organic content we want to get. So we try to do shifts. We did shifts a lot with our first. When you have the second, shifts are kind of out the window. You really can't do them as much because especially now we can because our kids are at great ages. They're 23 months apart, they're 19 months. And I don't, I'm not even account Vivian's month, she's three and a half. But it's really good ages where they play together, they entertain each other. So we can do shifts now. But it was definitely hard in the beginning. I would say typical day. We do have part time childcare, we have a gym with a daycare. Like, but my one thing is that I've always stood like 10 toes down on is that I'm not going to get full time childcare, even though there are weeks where we certainly could use it. But in my head I'm like, I built this job in this career so that I could have more flexibility. I don't want to give up more time with my kids. I'd rather give up more work. I would rather outsource work. Like, I still do all of my own editing and so does Addison and everything like that. But we have had people come in to help us with Bica and help with the app and like managing it because you can't do it all. And it is really hard working from home with two kids and doing the same job as your husband. Because it's like, I need to film. No, I need to film. No, I need to film. And it's just, it can be difficult. And some days are chaotic and we feel like we go to bed and we're like, why did we not manage that better? But I think both of us have extreme FOMO too. So if there is a time where Addison's going to take the kids to the zoo and I'm supposed to be working, like, I'll watch them out the window. I'm like, no, I want to go to the zoo too. Like, I get sad about it. So I don't know, the days are chaotic, but we do try to do shifts and we do really try to spend as much time with our kids as we can. Because it's definitely a fleeting, fleeting phase for the kids.
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A
Yeah, absolutely. I mean it. And with kids it's just like, oh, like what you expect for the day, like, might not happen. Like, oh, one of them's sick all of a sudden. Or like, you know, life just when you're a parent, it's just like not what you expect.
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B
No, they're always sick. They are always sick. And I don't know if it's preschool or the gym daycare or what it is, but like these kids, right when I'm like, okay, cool, we're going to have a normal work week. Like, I'll be able to work my normal days. And like batch content. Now they're like, someone's got a fever. And I'm like, okay, perfect. So we got to adjust. I feel like motherhood is just adjusting. Especially when you own your own business and you do content, you just have to adjust. That's why I know some creators plan out their content and I'm like, I could never do that because I never know what to expect each day.
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And it's. Well. And if you're like a lifestyle creator, like, it's almost like you living each day just as it comes is like the content itself.
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B
I know I try to remind myself of that. I'm like, people will watch probably whatever random thing I'm doing that day, like, that's still content.
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Like, it's still, it's very relatable for sure. It's funny you mentioned the gym daycare because when people ask me like, oh, Ali, how'd you get your pink back? Postpartum, I'm like, the gym daycare was such a game changer for me and like being able to give time to myself. And for a while I felt like kind of selfish, like, dang, I'm just like leaving her downstairs and I'm like up here working out. But then I started to realize, like, wait, like this makes me super happy. I feel way more confident I'm a better mom. And to the gym daycare, I'm like, if you are a stay at home parent, find a gym with a daycare. And it is like such a game changer.
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B
It's a necessity. It is completely a necessity. As a mom who works from home, but I always think about this. I'm like, if I was a stay at home mom, our gym, you can go there for up to two and a half hours a day for child care. I would be sat every day. On a Sunday, I'm at the gym daycare, like being able to just have time to yourself. And I think that's the biggest thing especially is you can't be a good mom if you're not taking care of yourself first. Because a happy mom is a good Mom. And if going to the gym makes you happy, then you have to prioritize that. If reading a book makes you happy, then you have to prioritize that. And I think having the gym, especially because we don't live by any family, we don't have a village by us. And I think the perception is that, like, women, especially moms, they. I've been called selfish for going to the gym at six weeks postpartum. Like, you should be with your baby. I'm like, feed my baby every two hours. Trust me, I spend a lot of time with my baby. But also I'm allowed to go to the gym and work on myself too. So it's the gym daycare is everything to me. I will never, ever move away from an area that has a gym daycare. It is a lifeline as a new mom, especially early postpartum.
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A
Well, it's funny because I actually want to transition into talking a little bit about that. Do you feel like motherhood reshapes your priorities in ways that you didn't expect completely?
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B
Yes. I always knew I wanted to be a mom. I've always been very career driven. I actually was going to go to law school. Like, I turned down my seat deposit and I would always say in college, I was like, I'm going to have a stay at home husband. I'm never going to be a stay at home mom. And then I had my daughter and my son and I'm like, what? Wait? Being a stay at home mom would actually be really fun, I think. Like, I think I'd do really well at it. But I do think it has shaped my mind so much because nothing else matters to me other than my kids. Like, and I think that helps me process the social media career where you're getting input on everything you do say, wear, look like, and some of it is negative. And it literally just like flies right over my head because I'm like, my kids love me. I'm a good mom. I'm a good wife. And that's all that matters to me. Like, motherhood is truly the greatest thing that's ever happened to me by far.
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A
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B
Yeah, I think the reason my kids are in my content is because they're such a huge part of my life. I like to vlog and it's like, yeah, my daughter's going to run up on me and be like, mom, my son. Like, both of my kids are mommy magnets. Like, extreme. I don't know if, if I know. Oh my God, it is so. Like, every morning I am holding both kids, a three and a half year old and one and a half year old down the stairs because neither of them want Addison to carry them. And it's like, I'm like, you guys together weigh like over £60. It's a good thing I lift weights because this is not easy anymore. This is getting difficult. But yeah, my kids are just like, I'm a. My kids are always with me. They're always next to me. They're always around. So I think capturing content authentically as a mom is important, but I also have, like, strict boundaries of what I do and don't want to post about them. Like, I, I never want to post them in a vulnerable position. People will be like, oh my gosh, Vivian is so well tempered. How does she never throw tantrums? And I'm like, of course she throws tantrums. She's three. She's learning how to regulate her emotions. But I'm not going to post her having those because that would, that wouldn't be fair to her. Like, I feel like I, I try to show my life as a mom and as a wife and how my kids naturally integrate into that without compromising their privacy at the same time.
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A
And then when it comes to like, either creating content or recording or filming an ad or your bike app or even like going and working out, do you experience mom guilt? And if you do, like, how do you deal with that?
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B
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'VE been having really bad mom guilt, I'd say in the later half of last year, my work was really busy. Baika when we were building Bica, Callahan was only three months old. Like all the pictures that are in the app are me at three months postpartum. And I had these long photo shoot days where I was doing 600 exercises in one day for the demo videos for the app. And I was still so freshly. Like three months is not.
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That's not very far postpartum, like fresh, fresh, fresh.
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And we had to take pictures for the pregnancy workout program we have. And I was no longer pregnant. So I just stuck my stomach out and I was like, perfect. Good thing I'm only three months postpartum. So like all the pictures on the app where I like am like holding a belly as if I'm pregnant, I'm not pregnant. But no, that day was really busy. It was like a 12 hour work day. And Callahan was only three months old. And I definitely had the worst guilt ever because I had to pump and he had to take a bottle, like four bottles in one day. And I was like, oh my gosh, I'm the worst mom ever. It just gets in your head because I feel like I'm constantly torn between wanting to be a stay at home mom and wanting to build my career and trying to find the middle ground there is so difficult on the busier days.
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Oh, absolutely. I feel like a ma. A lot of moms are probably gonna relate with that as well. Is like you maybe some moms are like, I. I love being at home with my kids, but I also want something that's like fully me. Like even finding a part time job or like a part time hobby that makes money. And I'm sure that a lot of women struggle with like, where is this happy medium between like giving my kids my all, but also like dedicating time towards me and like sometimes working is dedicating time towards you. So it's like finding that happy medium.
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B
I know. And I'm. I'm constantly. I feel like I'm playing tug of war with my own mind A lot of the time. Like when partnerships are really busy and I'm trying to film one or I'm editing one, and then my kids run up and they see me in the office, they're like, mom, mom, hold me, play with me. I think it really crushes me when they're like, mom, let's go play this. And I'm like, I can't. I have to. Like, I have a deadline. I have to finish this. And I'm, like, sitting there like, I'm so sorry, but I also think it's so important for especially my daughter to see me working and to see me build something that is bigger than our whole family. And hopefully one day one of them wants to take over the Bica app and help people, like, find a balance between life and fitness. And I think it's really good for them to see their mom and their dad working towards something that fuels them and inspires them. So that's what I kind of remind myself when I'm, like, sitting here feeling like I'm missing out on parts of their childhood. I'm like, well, I'm also making their childhood magical by the things that doing this allows me to do in our family life.
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A
Yeah, absolutely. And I'm sure that the same is true for, like, your kids. Seeing you, like, dedicate time towards fitness and, like, seeing you, like, go and work out or go for runs or, like, hey, daddy's gonna watch you and mommy's gonna go get a workout in real quick. Do you feel like your relationship with fitness has changed after becoming a mom?
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B
Oh, yeah, it has to. There's. I was working out five days a week, sometimes six before kids. There is no possible way you can do that after having kids. Like, I mean, I guess some people probably do, but not me. My approach to fitness is very much fitness will fit into my life and not my life will fit into fitness. So I have a very, like, balanced approach to it. I'm never going to choose a workout over going out to eat with family or something like that. But actually, the other day we were. We were just like, sitting as a family in the living room, and we were talking about how Callahan has my eyes, because it literally, like, copy and paste that man has my eyes, like, to a T. And Addison said, he was like, callahan got mommy's eyes. And then Vivian turned and she was, like, smiling so big. She's like, and I got mommy's muscles. And she, like, put her arms up like that. And I was like, almost to tears because that's not how I viewed muscles when I was a kid. I remember growing up in high school and I've always been more muscular. So I had muscular legs, and in high school, I hated them. Like, all the other girls had these long, skinny legs, and I had short, muscular legs, and I was like, hang on, no, no, no. How do I get those? So hearing my 3 year old already talking about muscles as a good thing, it just. I feel like it Was one of those moments where I was like, I am doing a good job. Like, that was. That was a moment where I felt like my motherhood and my intentions behind how I parent really, like, made me realize that I'm making a good impact on her.
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A
Yeah. And I'm sure after seeing your body, like, change drastically when you're pregnant, as it should, because you're literally growing a human being, do you feel like you view your body differently and, like, success in, like, how, quote, unquote, like, fit you are when it comes to, like, working out in your body now, postpartum and, like, after having kids?
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B
Oh, yes, absolutely. Because before kids, my workouts were aesthetics focused. I was like, I want a small waist and a big butt, and that's what I'm gonna do. And don't get me wrong, I still. I still want those things. However, I have detached from that being my meter of success with workouts. Now my goal is how much weight can I hip thrust, how much weight can I squat? Can I run faster than Addison? Now I feel like I have more of a performance mindset of different things that can help me reach that, like, aesthetic goal I have, but also make me feel empowered. Like, I hip thrusted £300 the other day for the first time, and I was like, oh, like, I'm strong. And that made me feel so much better than a week ago. I realized, oh, wait, I fit back into my jeans that I wore before getting pregnant with Callahan. And the squatting 300 pounds made me feel more empowered than fitting into a random pair of jeans did. So I think motherhood has made me realize that my body isn't just about how it looks. My body is about what it can do. It has grown two humans. It has fed two humans. It has carried two children up and downstairs countless times as they're growing and getting bigger and taller and heavier. And I think now that I feel that way about my body, it's been really healing for me. And it's really kind of painted a picture of how I want to shape my kids views of their bodies as they grow up to hopefully avoid the phase I had where I was like, oh, my, I don't like the way I look, I want to fix it sort of thing.
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Yeah, absolutely. And it also places emphasis, like, not on just physical attributes, but more like, how do you feel? Like, how strong does your body feel? How, like, how do you feel when you run? And more of, like, using that as, like, the caliber of, like, fitness instead of like, oh, how thin are your legs? Like, what is the weight on the scale? Like, you know, do. Are your cheeks like, I don't know, but it, it goes. Yeah, yeah. It goes beyond, like, how do you look in the mirror versus how is your body feeling? Like, do you feel strong?
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B
Right, Exactly. And especially when you have kids. Because when both of my kids, like an example, we were at the zoo and we were about to leave, so morale was already low as is. And we were about to leave, and Callahan was like, mama, Mama. And I was like, okay, so I pick him up. And then Vivian's like, hang on, Mom. Mommy, Mommy, hold me. So I'm like, walking out of the zoo with two kids in my arms, and I have the thought, I'm like, this is why I work out, because I don't have to tell one of my kids, no, I can't hold you. I can only hold one. And that even though it's not even in an, like, workout capacity, that's proof in the pudding that my workouts are improving my life.
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A
You know, when you're in the fitness space, I'm sure it makes you very aware of, like, how men and women are maybe treated differently when it comes to fitness. Because, like, with men, it's like, oh, your muscles are so big and strong, but like, women, they need to be super slender and skinny and, like, look frail. Which is completely the opposite of why, like, somebody would work out. Do you feel like fitness and the sports culture treats women differently than men?
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B
Oh, my God. Of course. Like, I. I mean, I played college soccer. I had so many experiences where I was like, hang on, the men are getting treated differently than us. But no, especially in the fitness world, nothing angers me more than seeing a fitness coach use shame based marketing towards moms to sell their programs. And I'm like, if you can't sell your fitness program without insulting the way someone looks already, then I, I don't think you're as successful as you think you are. Because we've never used, like, I will never use BICA to be like, do you want to fix your mom pouch? Like, do you have cellulite? Do you want to get rid of it? Like, we don't use shame based marketing marketing at all. We use positive marketing. And that's something that's so important to me because as a woman, you are already so vulnerable after you give birth. And just as you age, women's bodies carry more fat. Genetically. It's just the case. They carry more weight in their legs and their waist. And men are naturally leaner, like, biologically we have these differences, but I don't see as much marketing criticizing men's appearances for fitness. So I think detaching from that part of the fitness world is something that's always been at the forefront of my mind, because I use my fitness programs to help women feel more confident and happier. Like Baika. The name literally stands for blooming into confidence and happiness. It's not blooming into the smallest version of yourself. It's not blooming into skinny legs. Like, it's blooming into the confidence and happiness. Because when you feel confident, your body isn't at the forefront of your mind, and everything you do and every workout, it's not like, okay, well, this will make. This will get rid of my cellulite, you know? So, yeah, the fitness world. I really. I mean, after having two kids, I just. I cringe so hard every time I see someone be like, get rid of your C section shelf. That's something that I've seen a lot. I've never had a C section, so I don't even know what that means. Or, like, get rid of your mom pouch. I'm like, what is going on here, you guys?
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I just feel like those things need to be looked at more as, like, a trophy and less of, like, a problem that we need to fix. Like, yeah, for example, I had a C section. I'm like, I will gladly pull out my C section scar at any party, any sporting. Like, I will literally pull that thing out. Because I'm like, yeah, like, what I did is badass. I was awake for surgery, and if my husband has a cold, he's, like, out for three days. Like, yes, I will.
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Not the man cold. Not the man cold.
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Literally, the man called him, like, I bounced back faster postpartum than what you're doing right now. So then what do you feel about, like, the current state of professional sports when it comes to, like, women versus men? Because I feel like there's, like, so much discourse right now, and, like, you and Addison are in the fitness world. You guys both have a son and a daughter. So, like, how does that make you feel?
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It pisses both of us off. And it's actually funny you say that, because I have, like, a spam account, and I posted about the situation with the hockey teams, and my thoughts on it were very clear. Like, why are you laughing? It's not funny. And people got very mad at me, obviously, mostly men. Some women did. And one man got mad enough that he went into Addison's comment section, like, on a video about coffee, to, like, criticize me about it. And I'm like, if you don't think my husband agrees with me, then you clearly are new to our pages because we played sports at the same college. We were both Division 1 athletes. I played soccer, he played football. And there were so many instances of sexism in the soccer realm when we were in college, like between the men and women's team because we had a shared coach and Addison saw that firsthand. So I think that direct experience shifts our mindset a lot. And we were talking about this the other day about how Addison was like, I feel like men are just afraid to speak up in a room full of other men. And I was like, that's so interesting. Because women aren't. If you're in a room full of women and someone says something that's too far, whatever, yeah, a woman will speak up. And so yeah, we were talking about like both of our kids and I was like, I'm going to raise Callahan to be the man who speaks up. I I know my daughter will like, we've already seen a lot of her personality. She is a confident queen. She will not like, let anyone walk all over her say anything that she doesn't agree with. I don't know my son's personality enough. He's one and a half, so he's just starting to talk, so we'll see what he's like. But hopefully it's the same way. But yeah, I think being intentional about it and making sure our son grows up recognizing the differences of Ever notice
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in sports and how they're treated and that my daughter recognizes it so that when she's in sports, if she's in sports one day, she doesn't let it define her worth and her value as an athlete. Because I think that's something that happens to a lot of girls growing up in sports.
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I created Bica when, before getting pregnant with Vivian. I started this because I was again, strictly a fitness influencer and I couldn't find another fitness influencer that had a workout program that I was fully aligned with. I think a lot of women have similar mindsets with fitness apps and there are so many great fitness apps on the market and Bica isn't better than any of the others. It's just, I think, a matter of what your priorities are and what you want out of a program. And so I wanted to create a program that wasn't going to make people feel guilty for missing a workout because life happens. And I think also when you don't live by a village like we do, especially when you have kids, you're not going to be a hundred percent on the fitness program. So I wanted one that was flexible, that fit any lifestyle and that really detached women's physical looks as the only driver for why they work out. Because that's such an easy way to market a fitness app is to be like, look at this before and after. Do you want to lose ten pounds? Da, da da da. But I think if that's your only goal for working out, you're not going to stick with it. So the most sustainable workout program is the one you'll actually stick to. And so I wanted to create a program that felt easy for people to integrate, that were workouts I looked forward to. And we started off as just a subscription website. And last year we launched the app. And the app has been so amazing. We have so many different programs. And it's really cool because I feel like my intention behind BICA is actually working because I can see these DMs and these posts from women who are like talking about the non scale related or non clothing size related wins that they've had in the program and seeing people be like, I'm so much more confident now. I feel so much better. I can go on a walk with my kids without being out of breath. Like, those are the wins that I'm sitting here and I'm like, yay. I love doing what I do well.
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Hearing even the way that you talking about it is kind of like a breath of fresh air when it comes to the fitness space. I think social media definitely after Covid had like a huge burst in like at home workouts and this and that. And I feel like a lot of it was very unhealthy. Like, hey, here's how to get abs in literally six weeks or six days. And I think it creates a really unhealthy relationship with fitness. Or like, it causes that when you're consuming that all the time. Because for me, I was like, oh, if I want to be consistent in the gym, like, I have to go every single day and like I have to work out for at least like an hour and a half and I have to do this and I have to do that. And then I came across something else on social media and it was like, me, I'm just like, let's change my biases. But it was like, consistency in the gym when it comes to fitness can be like giving 10 on Monday and then maybe 80 on Tuesday and then maybe 1% on Wednesday, but you're still putting in a little bit and like, that's consistency, not showing up a hundred percent every single day, right?
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And what I always tell our biker girls is any workout is a workout. Any movement is good movement. If you planned on doing week two, day three today, but then your kid got sick and then your sink broke, go on a walk. Like, walking is such an underrated form of exercise. And I think people think because it's easy to do, it's not exercise. But it is. Like, I think that if people just simply walked more, they would see more results in the, like, physical changes that they're looking for. But it doesn't matter what workout you do. Even playing tag with your kids in the yard, that's exercise too. Like, I mean, at least for me it is because I'm pretty competitive. So I'm like chasing, I'm like, like sprinting down. But no, anytime you're moving your body, that is exercise and that is all you have to do. So even if you don't do this 45 minute workout that you planned on doing, but you went outside with your kids and ran around the yard for 20 minutes, cool, you worked out. That's going to benefit your body long term. And it like people always ask me, they're like, how do you stay motivated? I'm like, oh, I don't. I go two weeks without working out sometimes. Like, there's days where I'm like, okay, I'm gonna work out at 3 o'. Clock. And then 3 o' clock comes and I'm like, I am actually not going to set foot in that gym at all today. So I think just reminding yourself that you're gonna have days where you miss a workout, you're gonna have weeks where you don't work out. The most important thing is just that when your mental health is at a place where you can feel like you're doing it again, where your schedule's at a place where you can do it again, just picking it up right where you left off, that's the most important thing.
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I actually want to like double down on the steps or like, walking is so underrated as a fitness activity because the only thing that I've been super consistent with this pregnancy has been getting a certain amount of steps every single day. And like, literally at the end of it, it doesn't need to be intense. Like at the end of the night, I'm like, oh, I'm watching Netflix and I'm walking on our treadmill in the garage and I'm literally going at the slowest speed. But the difference that I feel in my body from like this pregnancy to last pregnancy where like, I didn't prioritize, at least walking is like night and day different. And I'm like, I just wish more people, like, understood, like, it doesn't have to be hard for it to make a difference.
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No, it doesn't. And I think that's kind of the mindset I had to shift away from because as an athlete, we were pushed to our extreme limits. Every single practice, weightlifting session, cardio session, we were pushed. So in my head I was like, I have to be sweating I have to be like sweating and sore to have a good workout. But that's just not the case at all. My best friend, after she had her second, she was talking to me and she's like, chloe, I can't lose the last ten pounds, but I'm not going to work out. Like, I just don't know what to do anymore. I was like, well, have you tried walking? And she was like, what do you mean? I was like, just get a walking pad and walk during nap time. And so she did. And then the next time I saw her, she's like, you were so right. And I was like, I know, trust me on these things.
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I'm like, and walking to be enjoyable, like go on like the current walks or like, I don't know, just like literally get some steps in and it's free.
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That's the other thing is it's free because the fitness world is expensive and it thrives off of making you think that you need all of these fancy things or fancy classes to see results. And that's not the case either. Everyone can walk, everyone can go outside and walk and a walking pad is relatively affordable. But even if you can't afford that, you can go outside and walk. And again, walking is exercise. So I think it's one of the most accessible ways for people to improve their physical health.
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No, I love that. And when it comes to biker, do you have anything that you're like excited for that's coming up or do you have any dreams or hopes for it in the next year or few years?
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Oh, gosh, I mean, I really want to bring in other trainers and other coaches. That is a big goal of mine because I love that. Like I've. We've got seven core programs in there. We do monthly challenges and it's all Chloe, Chloe, Chloe. Which is fun, but it would be really cool to bring in other coaches and other women who have the same mindset towards fitness that I do and explain expand the different styles of workouts that we can do. Like right now we have weightlifting, we have like a low impact. We have a pregnancy program, a postpartum program. We have a high intensity program for people who like. That one is three 30 minute workouts per week. So it's very good for busy schedules. I did it after having our kids, but I think it'd be cool to bring in like yoga, pilates, like dance, like just different aspects of exercise that I'm not an expert in. So I don't, I, I just, I'll never. That's one Thing is, I'm never going to put out a program that I'm like, well, I. I actually don't know how to do this myself. I don't do it myself. So, like, I really try to be. I don't know, like, I want to stay in my lane and then I'd love to bring other people into their lanes so that we can make sure there's something for everyone on there.
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I love that. And then last but not least, before we jump into some rapid fire questions, what's next for, like, you, your family? Is there anything exciting you guys have planned or, like, coming up?
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I think our goal for this year is to slow down. Last year was a very hard year for us. We lost both of Addison's parents to cancer. He was traveling. I think he took like 50 something flights last year because he was back and forth and life felt so hectic. So I think this year for us, it's all about slowing down and enjoying life. I think we've been in a phase of work, work, work, work, work, build, build, build. And I'm like, hang on, let's step back and let's enjoy what we built now. So, yeah, I think we'll probably start trying for baby number three at some point this year. I know everyone's like, you want more? I'm like, oh, yeah, I would. Gosh, if I could clone these kids, I would have 12 of them. They're so perfect and wonderful. Um, no, but we definitely want three. Maybe four, but definitely three. So I think. But this time I was like, I need. I need more space between 2 and 3 than I had between 1 and 2. I love their age gap. I love it so much. And I wouldn't change it. But now that I'm in a phase of, oh, I haven't been pregnant or nursing for like six months now or something like that. Wait, this feels really good. I'm allowed to be my own person, so I'm kind of soaking in my own person ness. I also just don't want to be pregnant for my 30th birthday. On a more. On a more vain note.
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I mean, you're like, on a more realistic note, like, I'm trying to, you know, have a good time. No, literally, it is crazy though, because, like, I wouldn't change, like, the, the age gap that my kids are going to have, but I'm like, wow, I felt like myself for literally, like two seconds and then it jumps right back into it. So, like, if I have a third, like, it's going to be a Few years, I'm like, no, give myself that.
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It's a. It's a disease. Like, the moment I stopped breastfeeding Callahan, I was like, you know, it'd be kind of fun. Another baby. Like, I just. My mind is just like, baby, baby, baby. Push them out, push them out. But, yeah, it'll be. And I'm also excited to see the bigger age gap difference and, like, how that is, because we're kind of on the fence about the fourth. So we'll vibe it out, see what the third is like. And if the third baby doesn't absolutely rock our world, then, yeah, we'll probably go for a fourth.
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I know. I. That's how I feel about going from one to two. I'm like, if this doesn't rock me, like, maybe. We'll see. We'll see.
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It won't. Zero to one was by far the hardest, by far.
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I feel like everybody has, like, their. Their 2 cents, and I'm like, I think that that was extremely hard for me. So it. There's only, like. I don't know. I just feel like a second baby is gonna fit already into what we have. It will be less time.
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No, it will. You just get busier. Like. And, I mean, Callahan, both of our kids were happy. They're just such happy babies. And I'm like, I feel like we're just pushing our luck by having more because I'm like, okay, wait, we certainly can't go 3 for 3 on happy, good sleeping babies, right? Can we?
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No. I'm jealous. I'm jealous of that because my. My daughter does not sleep. And I'm like, hopefully the second one sleeps. Okay.
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I know when we. We had a play date with some friends, and they have kids, like, the same age, and their kids sleep still on sleep. And I'm, like, sitting there, I'm like, I'm so sorry. I don't know what I did.
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A different parenthood if you have a sleeping baby. Like, oh, yeah, I can't. I. I. My daughter could maybe sleep 30 minutes for her nap, like, to be determined. So, like, really? Yeah. Like, that's. That's. Anyways, we'll jump into some rapid fire Q and A. Just, like, fun this or that. Early morning workout or evening workout?
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Early morning. I would rather be up at 5am the moment the clock hits 3. I'm really struggling to go get a workout in.
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Literally same. Unless it's a family walk. Like, count me out.
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No, yeah, yeah, I'll walk. I'll walk and I'll, like, do Some thing with the kids. But, like, in a gym, lifting weights? No chance.
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Gym session or outdoor walk?
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Gym session. I love a gym, and I actually like going. We have a home gym, which I use, But I feel like being in the presence of other people makes me work harder because I'm like, well, what if they're watching me? They're gonna. They're gonna know I didn't squat 200 PO today. So I'm like, it motivates me to be around other people. Even though it's all in my head. No one actually is caring about what I'm doing at the gym, but in my head, they are. So just me.
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Coffee before workout or after?
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Before. That's the first thing I have.
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Really?
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Yeah. And I know people are like, oh, drink water before coffee. Yeah, I don't do that. I'm like, inject it into my veins. Which is so funny, because during pregnancy and breastfeeding, I don't drink caffeine because my anxiety gets way worse during those things, and caffeine just, like, spikes it. And I could, like, I just panic, and I get so anxious. But now that I'm not breastfeeding or pregnant, I'm like, give me all the caffeine, and I'm back up to, like, 300 milligrams a day. I'm like, I need to. I need to fix this. This is a problem.
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Like, this is a problem for the next time I get pregnant.
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No, literally, I'm like, so when I get pregnant again, I'm gonna hate myself for this. But here we go.
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Group fitness or solo workout?
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Solo workout. I love being alone. I think also in group fitness, I'm just so competitive that it becomes like a game to me. And if I can't do as well as person next to me, I'm like, all in my head about it. So I love being alone for my workouts.
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Strength training or cardio?
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Strength training. I love lifting weights, and I think that's one thing too. I'm like, you see, we're back in a phase of society, of women are getting smaller and smaller. And I'm like, you will see me getting bigger and bigger. And that's my goal. So I love a good weightlifting session.
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This is so besides the point, but I actually came across a fitness influencer who said, like, she tried pilates for, like, 60 days versus, like, her typical, like, running on a treadmill and doing strength training. And she was like, I felt so horrible. Yeah, I found that so interesting. But it's.
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It's so dependent on Each person, though, like, if your goal is to have the toned look, I know some fitness people hate the word toned, but I'm like, I get it. I know what toned means. You want to have some muscle definition, but you don't want to, like, have that in your face. Muscles, Whatever. I'm like, pilates is great for some people. For me, it just doesn't fit what I enjoy doing. I just don't enjoy doing it. And if you don't enjoy the exercise, then you're not going to do the exercise. So weightlifting is something I consistently enjoy. So that's just what I go back to time and time again.
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Perfect. And then the last rapid fire rest day or active recovery rest day.
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No, I. No, I will be riding on the couch watching a show, eating fast food with my husband. Like, I'll still go to the park with my kids, but if I'm resting, then I'm. I'm fully sat and I'm resting.
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I'm 100 behind you. And then where can people find you on social media?
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On Instagram? My handle is Chloe Gotchalk on Tick Tock. Actually, what is my handle? Oh, I think it's omg. It's Chloe baby. Yeah, it's like one of those weird handles that I didn't realize it was going to be my handle forever, so really put no thought behind that one. But I think it's omg it's Chloe B.
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So, okay, and then the bike app.
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It's at. Bike app on both platforms. Perfect.
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All right, well, thank you so much for coming on.
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Yeah, thanks for having me. This was so much fun.
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I know. Okay, and then I hope you guys enjoyed listening to us yap as well. Be sure to tune in every Sunday wherever you get your podcast and on YouTube and we'll see you next Sunday. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services.
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