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The following podcast is a Dear Media Production.
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What's up, guys? Welcome back to Sunday Sports Club Podcast, a podcast all about sports told by a woman. And today we are talking about a sport I feel like a lot of us want to get a little bit more into. So we are talking with Haley. I can't say your last name.
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McCartney. Just get people on rolling with McCartney.
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Okay, Haley. Soon to be McCartney. She is a. Was a D1 golf college athlete, now a golf influencer, if you will. You're looking into starting your own. You're starting your own golf clothing line. You are engaged, soon to be married, and your fiance used to play football. So I feel like I've seen you in so many different, like, phases of social media, and so I'm really, really excited to talk more.
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Yeah, we've crossed paths, like, a bunch of times back when Davis was more in the football world. And I'm surprised I haven't ran into in person at some point, but it's.
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It's bound to happen, especially because I feel like the sports community is small and then women in sports is even smaller.
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Yeah.
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So I'm really excited to talk. I also, I personally love the game of golf, and I know so many women on social media complain about their husbands or boyfriends always playing golf, yada, yada, but I feel like it's actually such a fun sport and there's so much community behind golf.
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Yeah.
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So how did you even get into golf?
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I was a little, little lad. Just a little lad lad in men's clothes, stomping around. Yeah, my dad got into golf and just got me into it with him. I was probably like 7 years old when he would first start taking me over just for, you know, lessons here and there. And I didn't start competing until I was probably about 9 or 10 for my first tournament. And the 2008 recession had a lot to do with my career, actually, because we just lost my college savings. There she went.
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See ya. Bye.
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Bye, girl. So, yeah, my family lost what we had saved for my sister and I's college, and my parents really did not want us having to take out, like, tons of student loans. So my dad got on the Internet and was like, looking at best ways to get a scholarship, and golf was at the top of the list because just not that many girls play golf, I guess.
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So wait, no, that's. That's how you got into golf?
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Yeah, like that. That's when it got serious, I would say, for sure. And my sister started rowing crew.
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Did your sister end up Being, like, playing row or rowing. You can't play row, but you can. Did she end up rowing in college?
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She did not row in college. She went to St. Joe's she could have rode there, but, like, for such a minimal scholarship, that just didn't outweigh the time commitment, I guess. So she was a NARP.
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Yeah, I was a NARP too, unfortunately, but fortunately, because I feel like a D1 Sport takes up so much time in college, and it takes away from, like, not only, like, school and, like, studying, but also the social life aspect. So in your high school, was golf. Like, were you on the high school golf team?
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So, like, yes and no. I played lacrosse. And in New Jersey, where I grew up, lacrosse is a spring sport and so is golf. And I was. I loved lacrosse. That was, like, my heart and soul. I would have wanted to play that in college. But a team in the. Like, just to put it in perspective, especially for any parents. I don't know how many parents you got on here, but one of the.
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Reasons you didn't know how many parents I have, and I was like, only two.
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No. Well, that sounds good, but. So for golf, a fully funded golf team at a university, I believe typically has about five full scholarships, and you only need eight girls, sometimes even less. Five girls travel to a tournament.
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Okay.
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So the odds of getting a full ride or, like, a bigger chunk of your schooling paid for on a golf team is much higher than, say, a lacrosse team with, you know, dozens of girls. So, yeah, the odds were kind of just in my favor. And so I played golf for my high school, like, a little bit, but I did it the same season that I was playing lacrosse. And it was this super complicated, like, schedule that I would have to. I forget. Like, I think it was, like, only on home matches. I would go play for my golf team, but my golf team wasn't serious. You get good in. In high school playing, like, travel golf. And basically, like, the same way you think of the PGA Tour, there's junior tours for junior golf.
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Okay.
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And there's kind of like a hierarchy of these tours. I would say the AJGA is at the top, along with, like, any USGA event. Like, the USGA girls junior is the top of the top usam. You can try to qualify four at that age.
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This sounds like a different language to me.
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Yeah, it is. And also it's a different language for, like, junior golf parents. It's known to be one of the most stressful things, I think, to figure out as a parent, because there's all These, like, star systems and qualifications and everything's so expensive, but you're not even invited. And, like, it's just so hard to figure out. So I really do commend my parents for making that commitment and, like, trying to navigate that world. Because you're. You're not only carting your kid around for, like, soccer tournaments where there's, like, a clear league, you're following. You're doing everything on your own. You're signing up for qualifiers. You're hoping it's the right one. You're hoping that will gain you the right status to play in something bigger where, you know, coaches will be. It's like, it's this whole thing. The junior golf world is crazy. But that's pretty much what, like, my high school and middle school and stuff consisted of.
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So. Growing up, I. I loved golf. I loved the idea of driving a golf cart around. I loved the idea of, like, getting an Arnold Palmer. Okay. I. I don't think anybody really knows this about.
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Mentioned golf yet. You're mentioning the adjacent activity.
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Ex. Exactly. No, literally, I'm. I'm mentioning all of, like, the fun activities that go into golf. So I don't think anybody knows this because I've never talked about it, but I was a country club kid growing up, meaning that, like, my family belonged to a country club. Okay. And they did so because my parents love, love, love golf. And both my mom and dad had jobs that they like to, like, bring some people from their business to golf. I mean, it's a very. Like, when I think of a CEO, I think golf.
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Yeah.
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So my parents loved golf, and so I grew up at a country club, essentially, but they like to golf 18 rounds. So my experience with golf was, like, I was on the team and, like, taking lessons just so that my parents could, like, have an uninterrupted 18 holes.
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Oh, okay. So they were like, we just want to go play and not worry about you skedaddling around.
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Literally had swim lessons, tennis lessons, and golf lessons.
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And I'm like, same place. Yeah.
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Yeah. All the same. Play is just, like, walking distance. But, like, when I think of a high school kid, golf isn't, like, a sport that I automatically think of in my head.
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No.
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And it's not. It's like, is it competitive? Because, I don't know, is it a team sport or is it a solo sport?
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It's weird. So if you're a junior golfer, and I'm going to use the term junior golfer as, like, a serious, college tracking, competitive golfer.
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Okay.
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That world on Its own removed from high school sports is highly, highly competitive. You have kids that are going to skip college altogether to play professional golf because you can do that. You have kids that are going to go full rides to Ivys and full rides to all the SEC schools. And you know, that's who you're seeing at a very young age. And everything happens so quickly with golf that you start to see that talent arise. Like by middle school, people are starting to make their verbal commitment sometimes to like Stanford. It's crazy. And I think the rules are starting to change on that because it was wild. A 12 year old can't commit where they're going to college.
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Yeah, insane. But that, but also the parents at the same time are like, okay, nice.
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Yeah, right? They're like, perfect. Don't get injured.
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Yeah, right.
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That world is highly, highly, highly competitive, I would say. And a lot of those kids also come from golf academies where they are in a golf specific high school environment. And then, you know, they independently or with their high school sanctioned stuff, travel to these independent, you know, tournaments. But high school golf, at least where I grew up, not competitive at all. I mean, it was actually so stupid. That's why I was able to play.
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Two sports at once.
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Two sports at once because it was like me and like five random skater kids from my school who for some reason picked up golf. Like maybe. I, I really honestly don't know why they would have, they didn't seem like anybody was into it. It was terrible. We would hop on like a short bus and like go to like the worst possible course near us and that was it.
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So it was so unserious.
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Yeah, literally five of us. And then I would just go and they would be like, how many over are you? And I'd be like, I'm even par, idiot. Okay, so.
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So for the girls, hopefully this, I mean, I don't think this is a stupid question, but like what is par?
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Yeah, par. Okay, so a golf course has 18 holes, right? There's three different types of holes, aka three different types of par, essentially based on the length of the hole. So the shortest type of hole is a par three. And that means you should hit the green in one shot and you get two putts to make par. Obviously you don't have to do it in that manner. You could miss the green, chip on and make a putt or whatever. But on a par three, three is par.
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Okay?
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On a par four, it's a longer hole and it should take in regulation. You know, again, many ways to get to the green, but it should take two shots to get to the green. So first tee shot, approach shot, two putts, four is par, par five is the longest. Three shots to get to the green, two putts, five is par. So on an 18 hole course, there's going to be a combination of par threes, par fours, par fives. That makes up your total par, which, you know, typically standard is 72. But you might see, you know, depending if a course has one extra par three instead of a par four, you might see par 71 or 70 or sometimes 73, but typically 72 is par and 36 is typically par for nine holes. So that's what I was referencing. Like, I just have a memory of. Because, like, I was a competitive junior golfer at the time, like, wanting to go Division 1, full scholarship, all the things. And the kids that I was playing with were like skateboarders.
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They were like, not interested.
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Yeah, they had no intention of playing golf in college, I don't think. And I just remember, like, it was our math teacher who was our coach, and he was, he would check in, like, how many over par are you? And like, everyone would be like, 16, like, nine, five, whatever. And then like one day I was like, I'm not over par at all.
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Yeah, you're like, I'm competitive in my own. Like, I'm just gonna be competitive and you guys don't have to bother.
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I was like, I'm in my own tax bracket here.
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Right.
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So I just thought it was funny because he came at it with the assumption that, like, we're all definitely going to be on over par. But anyway, that's why I was granted the ability to even play, like, picking what tournaments I played in and whatever or what matches I played in, because I just, it wasn't going to do anything for me in terms of getting noticed for school or college or anything. Unless you live in a state like Texas or maybe California, where you guys are high school golf might be a little bit more relevant if you rent, if you win, like, states or something.
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But even still, high school in the state of Texas kind of reminds me of college because, like, you actively look at sports before sending your kid to a certain high school in Texas. Like, if you have a son who's like, wants to be a quarterback, you probably are going and looking at various high schools, which I don't know, like, how legal that is. Not legal, but, like, the school's rules. So when you started getting, like, colleges interested in you, was it a really easy decision? Like, did you know where you Wanted to go to college. Was it a really like, quick, easy okay, they're like, let's do it, or did you think more seriously about it? And like even more so, like, where did, where did you go to college?
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I went to Elon, which is like two hours from Charlotte, smaller Division 1 school. I think there's only like seven or 8,000 students. And it wasn't that hard of a decision for me because everything is just going to be based on like the best deal, essentially. So Penn State, where you guys went, right?
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That was like, I went to Michigan State.
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You did?
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Yeah.
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I guess I just seen you in Penn State stuff at. At games.
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Isaac went to Notre Dame.
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What am I saying? Then.
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Like Notre Dame and Michigan State.
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I'm like, you're in hockey, Valley girl.
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Penn State's in the Big Ten, right?
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Yeah, yeah. But I don't think there is recognized as. Either way, Penn State was like my initial kind of feel out school. It was going to be freezing cold. Didn't get a full scholarship offer and everything just became kind of a game of like, what is the best actual value of the scholarship? Not just like full ride. Not full ride because like a full ride to Georgia Southern, which was like a more affordable school, my parents like kind of felt like wasn't the same value as a full ride to Elon, which was like a more expensive private school with a better communications program, which is what I was going to major in and all that kind of stuff. So at the end of the day, it came down to like the best golf program and the best offer, which was Elon, because it was in the south, it was like slightly warmer. We had an on campus facility for golf and we had really good programs for like what I wanted to actually do in school because I always loved school. Like, school would have been way more important to me if I wasn't on the golf team, but.
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And at Elon, was your golf team a little bit more rigorous? Like, were your teammates like actually interested in playing golf?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You're like, yes, they were. Okay, so then you play golf in college. When did you meet your fiance?
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Not till senior year. That old fart? I thought so. Davis. Davis was like strangely a semester ahead of everybody. I don't remember why, but he started Elon like one semester before the rest of the freshmen got there. So. And he was our quarterback from day one. And so because he was our starting quarterback and they had created shrines of him fricking everywhere and he was already there when we got there. Everybody thought he Was a senior every year. So, like, my first three years of school, I'm like, oh, my God. Like our senior quarterback, Davis cheek. I get there my sophomore year, I'm like, oh, he must be taking a fifth year. My junior year, oh, my God, he's taking a sixth year. And then my senior year, he's at my first party of the year, which was very small because it was during COVID and he was like, what's up, book hole? I'm like, this old man needs to leave. Like, I can't be here anymore. It's so weird.
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So then when did you learn that? But he was a freshman. You. When you were a freshman?
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Yeah, we were the same age the whole time. I'm actually one month older than him. I just, like, I always thought he was so much older. So I never, like, he literally. He lived in the apartment below me for a whole year. I never talked to him.
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So then was it, like, love at first sight? Like, I feel like it's so common for two college athletes to start dating because you guys are just, like, interweaving. I don't know how it was at Elon, especially, because it was like a smaller private school. But, like, at Michigan State, like, all of the athletes lived in the same dorm. All of them ate at the same dining hall. They all, like, went to, like, training table together and, like, tutoring. So all those things. Were you guys, like, constantly crossing paths?
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Yes, kind of. But we had two field houses. So, like, soccer, golf, lacrosse, and baseball shared one training field house is what we called it, where we would go in for treatment. And then track, football, basketball shared another field house. So I actually did not cross with Davis too much. I had some of my lifts and where he had his lifts, but we were on different schedules, so I really didn't see him that much except for, like, where we lived. And also we were the same major. Never saw him in class. So that should tell you something. Literally, not a single class did I ever see Davis cheek. And so not really. When we met, I was dating somebody on the soccer team, actually. And so it, like, was another athlete.
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See, this is what I'm telling you.
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Like, I would have never been dating a non athlete for sure. Like, just because we would have never crossed paths, we would have had completely different lifestyles. And I definitely didn't want to date anybody that vaped. And I felt like every non athlete vaped.
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Like, I'm not interested in a vape.
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I'm not interested in your vape. Thanks so much. But yeah, he Just like, was a flirty dude the night that we met and he asked for golf lessons and I was like, okay, you're like 30. Like it's really embarrassing that you're here. I'm sorry.
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He's like, actually no.
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But also like, aside from it being embarrassing, like, I thought it was hot that he was so old again. He's not old, he's my age. So there was like some lore for me because I thought he was like really old. So we kind of hit it off. My, my roommate at the time was like, he really was into you. And I was like, no, he's not. Like, he has a girlfriend. He didn't have a girlfriend. I thought he did. And yeah, from then on we were in this like small circle of friends that we called the nest. My senior year because it was during COVID we were all athletes. It was like some track me from golf, lacrosse, football. And it was probably like 30 of us total. Then we hung out pretty much every day of senior year. And Davis and I just always gravitated towards like he just kind of became my safe person and I couldn't really understand why. But yeah, I guess it was like pretty instant. And then I got the ick for a while and then it was like really off for me. Then we had some waves there of me getting the ick and then growing up and whatever.
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Every great relationship has its ebbs and flows.
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Every great relationship I think has to start with the ick.
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Like that's an interesting, that's definitely an interesting take for sure.
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But yeah.
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So then how soon after you guys then like graduated college and he went on for. To the NFL route. So like how quickly did it become serious? Because that was of only a few years ago.
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I know it feels like a lifetime ago. So we started like kind of dating our senior year except I had to like leave this other schmuck to go date him. And it was so fast for me. Like I. It was a mistake. Like I really wasn't ready. I should have taken like more time. And that's kind of why I was getting the. Because I was like moving on with Davis so quickly. So I break up with this other guy. I'm kind of floating around with Davis. He really wants to date and make it official. I'm like not ready. And I, once we graduate, move to Charlotte, I leave. And he was going back to play in his like fifth year Covid year essentially because I guess it just made more sense for him draft wise to enter the later one. So we didn't end up getting back together until, like, homecoming the next year when all of our friends went back and, like, whatever. And then I was just. I had more time at that point. So, yeah, we just rekindled, and it was a better time. And then after that, he graduated, like, at a weird time around Christmas, and immediately started training in California, like, in San Diego at exos for the 2022 draft.
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Okay.
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And then.
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And then from there, I mean, it became serious, obviously. Like, it was.
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I always. Like, we always knew that once we said that we were dating, it was going to be really serious.
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So then his draft, like, his NFL journey was interest. I mean, everybody has a very interesting NFL journey.
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Yeah.
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What was the first team he was on?
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The Panthers. He was here.
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So it was very convenient for y'all, and especially y'all's relationship, like, him going immediately to the Panthers.
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It was very convenient and, like, in hindsight, very much meant to be because we had no stability. Like, Davis was a. He was like an undrafted free agent. You know, he was a lower level D1 school, like, just hoping to get a chance anywhere. So he was, like, honestly grateful to even just be anywhere. But it was really nice for me because I already had an apartment and friends and, like, stability and obviously, you know, when they. When they go to camp and stuff, like, they're living in a hotel. So it was really, really nice that I was actually able to be local and whatever, because then they brought him on and then they cut them, and then they brought him back, and then they cut them. And it was like, if we had to live in a different city and get an apartment, like, it actually would have been nightmare fuel. So that was. That was lucky. And that was, like, really his only NFL experience. And then after that, he was brought into, like, a bunch of different workouts. And that was another thing. I was like, apartments in Dallas apartments. And, oh, my God, instantly, there was.
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A year where I had, like, five tabs open. It was a Zillow in, like, five different cities that Isaac had had different workouts with. And I was just kind of, like, waiting on. Not Zillow as in we were buying a house, but I was looking on the rentals tab of Zillow. Okay. Yeah.
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Short term rentals. Okay. $5,000 a month for a one bedroom.
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I'm like, lovely. Like, this is great.
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Lovely. Paid so much in rent that year because we were never sure, like, what to commit to.
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B
Right.
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We would have paid less in rent in hindsight if we just committed to year leases because we were paying like so much monthly with the potential of moving.
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Yeah.
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So. And everybody thought we were like loaded too because of the NFL. And I'm like, I was talking to apartment managers and stuff and I'd say like, yeah, he's, he's with the whatevers right now and like we really are needing a short term lease. And you know, it was a mistake to say that, but I was trying to talk to them about like our situation in hopes that we could negotiate a reasonable price. But the second people hear that like you're affiliated with the NFL, they think you've signed a million dollar contract money.
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Signs in their eyes.
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I'm like, honey, he made $7,000 this year.
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Yeah. You're like, we actually know we don't have money.
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They're signing bonus as an undrafted free agent is like nothing unless you're getting, you know, all the other stuff. So there's a lot of misconceptions about that. But yeah, then they resigned him towards the end of the season. And yeah, then he ended up in like spring league football for a couple years. Didn't have the best experience and now he's obsessed with golf.
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Not at all.
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Wait, what?
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Not at all. I don't think I was ever, like, that competitive in golf. He's obsessed with golf. Like, I. He's obsessed with golf. Ali, like, it's.
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It's going to be the newest golf influencer.
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I mean, he's really trying. Like, let's get the receipts. This man is really trying.
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Wait, I'm dead.
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He can never be an influencer. For real. For real. Because he is, like, definitely on the shyer side, the more serious side and, like, isn't gonna do anything clickbaity. It like his skin crawl. I'm like, sometimes you gotta, you know, snap it up a little bit. So his content is, like, always very, like, calm. But he's obsessed with golf. It's all he thinks about his golf swing. He recently, like, traveled to Texarkana to, like, See my childhood swing coach and like train for days on end and I'm just like, he's more intense than I've ever been about golf. Obviously he now no longer plays football. Like he needs something to obsess over.
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B
It's crazy because when athletes are done, especially because, well, I only know football, so I can only speak to that. But I know so many guys who have either retired from the NFL or like, just like kind of faded out of the NFL or even college football players, they all just like put so much time and energy towards something next. So, like, Isaac right now is like so keen on like working out every day and like losing all this weight. And I'm like, okay, we can talk about something else. Like, we can make space in our marriage for a different conversation. But it's crazy because it's like they have all this like a pent up, like, dedication that they need to put it somewhere.
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A
Yeah. And also, I think when you are a professional athlete, you are coming from the creme de la creme of what society loves and respects. So to make the transition for Davis at least to something that he doesn't think is going to be as respected, I think that's really tough. So you try to start being like, notable in something else. Because he has this idea that like, pretty much everything is stupid unless you're the best at it. So he's just gotta like, I think, detach from that over time. But it's something every athlete that's competed at a highest, at the highest level, like, you've got to experience it. I mean, you, you have the job, right? Everybody is obsessed with because of the money associated with it, the physical stature. Like it is the most respective job, I think ever that I think of outside of maybe like doctors. Right. Even still, they're more, they're.
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B
I mean, they're entertainers. They're like in the public eye. Like so many athletes are quote unquote, famous.
- [30:27]
A
So it makes everybody wishes they could be that person.
- [30:30]
B
Right. I wish I could be in that.
- [30:32]
A
Not everybody wishes that they could be an anesthesiologist. Like, even though we very much respect them, we're not like watching them administer anesthesia and be like, whoa, you know.
- [30:42]
B
Whoa, like, what a thrill.
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A
Yeah. So I think that's been the biggest transition for us is like, is like finding comfort and pride in something like, quote unquote normal. Right. But I guess it's golf. It's going to be golf. For now, that's all he wants.
- [31:03]
B
Which is convenient because you're like, you are a golf influencer. Like, that's why I started following you. I didn't even know that your significant other played football. Football. Okay. When I started following you stuff. Oh, yeah. I started following you for golf because I. I was like, okay, this is a woman in sports. Like, I genuinely, like, think golf is such a cool sport, like, even getting into it. And I. And then you started making videos about making your clothing brand.
- [31:32]
A
Yeah. Long. So here.
- [31:35]
B
So kind of talk a little bit about that.
- [31:37]
A
Yeah. So Bunker is the brand. I actually have a meeting later today about, like, next steps and product design so that we're actually getting somewhere finally. It's been years, but I'm an influencer because I wanted to be a clothing designer, not because. Not. Not the reverse, you know?
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B
Right.
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A
And I'm kind of being honest about that because I think I shy away from it sometimes. Like, sometimes when people ask, like, oh, how'd you become an influencer? For some reason, I lie, and I'll be like, oh, you know, just one day, I got 30,000 followers, and then I kept it going. Like, that's not what happened at all. I had note pages of strategy, and for some reason, I thought that was embarrassing, but I always wanted to design women's golf clothes because, like, I did not have the best experience with golf my whole life. Like, I was kicked off my college golf team. I was wearing, you know, plaid Bermuda shorts.
- [32:34]
B
You were kicked off your college golf team?
- [32:36]
A
Yeah, and put back on. I was reinstated, but it was traumatic.
- [32:43]
B
Okay. Like, I feel like there's a story there, but we can continue.
- [32:46]
A
Yeah, there's a long story there. I got the boot my freshman fall.
- [32:50]
B
Wow. Okay.
- [32:52]
A
I never had the best relationship with golf is the point. And, like, I think I always knew that it wasn't the sport. It was the lack of community. And it was kind of this toxic relationship with it where, like, there was so much anxiety about. And this wasn't necessarily coming directly from my parents, but in hindsight, I know the feeling of where this came from, which was, we're out of money. You need a golf scholarship. And while it was never, like, money was never explicitly discussed to me in that way, I think I was raised with this idea that, like, I cannot go to school unless I have a golf scholarship. And if I don't get a golf scholarship, I'm gonna have to work at a Wawa, and that's gonna be my only choice.
- [33:31]
B
And that was your. That was the only two paths.
- [33:35]
A
Those were my. Or I could sell insurance. Is like, what My golf coach used to tell me he's from Texarkana and be like, hey, else, you're too good at golf to sell insurance now, so you don't want to go sell insurance? And I'll be like, all right, Selling insurance is a great job. Like, see what I mean? We're back to this whole, like, hierarchy of jobs of what society believes. If you sell insurance, Please take pride in selling insurance.
- [33:59]
B
I feel like a lot of college athletes or, like, retired college athletes sell insurance. It's funny, actually. My last guest, Callie, her husband plays college football, and she was talking all about insurance, but that's besides the point. Okay, back to bunker.
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A
Yes. Okay, back to bunker. So anyway, it was really the lack of community for me. So I was. I was keen on getting more women interested in golf. Even though I kind of no longer had the best relationship with it, I wanted to recover it. And I kind of set out to be an influencer, to influence people to play golf, because otherwise, I had nothing to sell. Nobody played golf. I was like, I would love to start a women's golf brand. Like, let's see how many women in the country play golf. None. So I'm like, all right, that's not. Like, I can't yet. So I went backwards, became an influencer, tried to grow the game that way, and I still will. Still am. And, like, we've seen so much growth. It's amazing. But now I'm finally circling back to, like, what I set out to do in the beginning, which is design women's golf clothes. And I think that, you know, the apparel space is so oversaturated, except for women's golf.
- [35:05]
B
By the time this episode gets released, I am surprising my dad by taking him to the Masters this year. He is, like, such a golf fan, so I'm, like, really excited. But when I was telling my mom about this surprise, I was like, oh, maybe I'll surprise him with, like, some golf shirts. And I couldn't even, like, off the top of my head, think of any golf brands that I've. I've came across, like, that are geared towards, like, younger adult women or, like, anything, like, trendy in the golf space. I feel like there's a lot of other, like, areas of athletics that these brands, like, dedicate time and product to. But you're right, like, there is, like, no saturation in the woman's golf apparel.
- [35:48]
A
Yeah. Which is so rare. And I'm so grateful for it because I love clothes and I love fashion, and, like, if I just had to make another Lifestyle brand, which is what Bunker will be. But if we didn't have this, like, focus of women's golf to really actually fulfill a need, it would definitely be a lot more challenging, I'm sure. And, like, we're seeing more of it from brands like your classic Lulu Vuori Athleta. Like, they make golf appropriate things or, you know, they make golf products, but there's. They're not doing it in a way yet that you can rely on them in a performance specific way and in like a dress code specific way. Like, I'm seeing a lot of brands start to venture into golf stuff, but they're not always hitting the nail on the head with, like, what's actually not going to get you kicked off of a nicer course. And so it's tough.
- [36:42]
B
I've seen your videos about that, so I want to talk about that next.
- [36:45]
A
Yeah, like, I. I can't imagine being new to the game because I've been around the game my whole life. Like, I've been asked to change enough times to know where I need more conservative, where I need to be. You know, I know where I'm going to go and, like, I know the game in and out to. To understand, like, if I'm playing a public course, I'm probably fine to wear a tank top. If I'm playing, you know, private course, I'm not going to do that. And even the private courses have different. Everything can vary.
- [37:15]
B
Interesting.
- [37:16]
A
I can't imagine being a beginner and like, let's say. Let's say this. You are 26. You are getting married to somebody who's a member of. Whose family, is a member of a country club. He loves to play golf with his dad. One day they invite you out. You're like, yeah, I love golf. I'm gonna go buy this golf dress that I found on TikTok Shop. You're screwed. I mean, you're gonna like it. Just like there's so many things being marketed as golf right now that will just lead you to a very awkward situation. So I want bunker to be. It's gonna be a lifestyle sport. Collective is kind of what we're calling it. Like, we're gonna venture into a lot of different lifestyle sports, AKA sports that you can play for your whole life will be in running, hiking, golf, pickleball, tennis, you know, anything. But we're going to be very intentional about having categories and dress codes for each category so that you're shopping safely and, like, everything's still going to be cute. I may even eventually get really specific and be like, you can wear this. You can wear tennis apparel probably to your public course if you want to shop both of these. But, like, don't wear these to a private course.
- [38:22]
B
Okay, so when it comes to dress code, this is so interesting. Is it like your dress or skirt can't be this short? Like, you have to wear a jet. Like, what, what is it the kind of like the basis? Like, if somebody listening to this podcast is like, okay, I just got invited on a golf date. What do I wear?
- [38:40]
A
Okay.
- [38:41]
B
So that you don't get kicked off and that you don't have to have an awkward. My anxiety will be through the roof if I'm on a date and somebody comes up to me and says, you can't wear that.
- [38:50]
A
I know I've. I've been playing since I was a little lad and I still get really anxious about it. Like if somebody asked me to change and it happened at my local public course recently, I was wearing like a high neck athleta tank top and they asked me to change, I was like, okay, actually, you're out of line because this is not a very nice place.
- [39:09]
B
No. Do you know who I am?
- [39:12]
A
Okay.
- [39:13]
B
I'm a golf influencer in this area, actually.
- [39:15]
A
What I say goes. So. Right.
- [39:17]
B
So then what is, like, the basis? Like a very, like, good outfit?
- [39:22]
A
I think nine times out of 10, if you show up looking put together and classy, you're gonna get away with it. Most private courses are going to have less of a. They're not going to have a length rule for your skirt or your dress. What you want to look for is that it fully covers your butt when you bend over. Tennis skirts aren't designed to do this because it doesn't matter in tennis. But when you're getting in your stance and you're poking your butt out or you're bending over to pick up your ball, those are your tests. As long as you can't see this, the shorts underneath your skort, I think it's fine. Everything has to do with your body type. So I, like, hesitate to say a certain amount of inches or whatever. I'm 5 4. I like a 14 to 16 inch skirt.
- [40:14]
B
I always go back to, like, what I wore to my private school and, like, what was okay and acceptable. And it's always like fingertip length.
- [40:23]
A
It's not going to be fingertip length.
- [40:25]
B
So it could be shorter.
- [40:26]
A
It can be shorter than fingertip length. Unless. This is what. This is why it gets kind of difficult. And I always encourage people to, like, Research where you're going if you're new and you haven't been there. For example, like one tournament I used to play in as a kid was at this club called Marion in the Philly area. Marion is like creme de la creme. You do not show up there with one hair out of place. And the rule there is one scorecard length above your knee.
- [40:54]
B
Wow.
- [40:55]
A
Like this high. So if a scorecard is like five, it's like five. Yeah, yeah. About five inches above your knees. So that's like, that's like a pencil skirt territory that we're in. Yeah.
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B
Wow.
- [41:09]
A
Sometimes there's just courses like that. So if you are, you know, dating somebody that is a country club kid, and maybe they're at like Providence Country Club or Marion or like, I don't know, like, if, if you're getting invited to a top course, just look up the course and, and look up their dress code. You're gonna find it somewhere on Reddit. Even if it's a super, super private club, like, you just. I would just recommend looking into it, but nine times out of ten you don't. It's not going to be that way.
- [41:36]
B
So a skirt that covers your ass, A top, do you need it to have a collar?
- [41:41]
A
Yeah.
- [41:42]
B
Okay, so yes to a collar. Like, can you have a tank top on? Or does it have to have like, sleeves? Cap sleeves?
- [41:51]
A
Hmm. Yeah. Okay, wait, we need to touch on the collar. This is so nuanced. How annoying people are listening to me, to this and be like, okay, so why would we play golf? Can we touch on the why? Because I'm, I'm lost on that. The collar is not gonna always be necessary at your local public course. You can check, you can call and ask. You can check their website or look on Reddit. That's my suggestion with everything. But I'm saying baseline is a skirt that covers your butt, a collar, or a mock neck collar, typically. And no spaghetti straps or like open backs is what I would go for. So, like, yeah, a tank top, that's like four fingers.
- [42:40]
B
This sounds crazy.
- [42:42]
A
It's not four finger. It's like, I guess if it was like thinner on the shoulders but still had the collar, that's going to be fine. But if you showed up in like a tank top or like just, you know, what we would wear out on a walk or to yoga or something. It's not that. It's just a little bit more structure. And I try to look at it. I try to at least market this as a fun thing. Like, you have something fun to dress up. I know in reality it's so annoying, but I'm trying to like, yeah, keep it fun without turning people off to the sport.
- [43:15]
B
What about leggings? Are you allowed to wear leggings to a course?
- [43:18]
A
No. I mean, again, it's gonna depend on the course, like, plenty.
- [43:24]
B
So maybe, maybe golf isn't the. The perfect first date.
- [43:27]
A
Maybe golf's not the perfect first date.
- [43:30]
B
Because I don't think you can really, like, dress your full capacity at that point, but. Hence bunker.
- [43:38]
A
Hence bunker. I will be making some, some things that will check these boxes in a way that's not gonna make you feel disgusting. Like your private school uniform. I don't want anybody to wear a private school uniform. But like, you can check the boxes and look a little bit more elegant, I would say, than tennis apparel or walking apparel.
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B
Right.
- [44:01]
A
In a way that is still like very performance enhancing and comfortable and, and, you know, classy girl.
- [44:09]
B
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A
Yeah. Yeah. So many. Like, this is. Okay. This is probably where you first found me, too. I was in this era of my content. I was just like, shitting on men, like, constantly. I will say a little bit of that was because, number one, it was culture shock. I was officially out of the bubble of college golf. I was an adult and I was going to courses outside of, like, a junior or college tournament where. Where there's no people there. You know, like, we would take over the course and it wouldn't matter. So for the first time, I'm experiencing this culture shock where I'm no longer perceived as a child and I'm also not associated with a team with, like, our own private event. And that's when things changed for me and I, like, really started to get a grasp of how women in this sport can be viewed. It's totally improving. Like, I think that you can even see that in my content over the years. Like, my feelings on it change. But, you know, it would. It's the littlest things that I was just really tuned into, probably two, because I knew I was a good golfer and, like, I had more of a resume to me than most people I was coming across working in a pro shop. But they would treat me with a lot of disrespect sometimes or, like, come at. Come at it with assumption. Like, the first one I remember that went viral that I actually deleted because I don't know. I think. I don't know. My first viral video, I got so nervous. But I was in San Diego. We were there training for Davis's, like, draft, whatever, and I hadn't packed my clubs because we weren't supposed to be there that long. And I was like, over golf. So we show up to this course one day. Davis really wanted to play, and I needed to rent clubs, and they would not give me, like, their standard men set. And he kept bringing me out these drivers. This is all going to be gibberish to you, but he kept bringing me out these clubs. Clubs with, like, graphite shafts, like, super, super flexi women's beginner set. And, like, my swing speed would break it. Like, literally, I couldn't hit these clubs. And they. They literally wouldn't believe me. And they were just so belittling. And I was like, do you want me to go, like, hit one outside? I'll show you. And so I kind of developed this huge ego, constantly trying to fight my way out of those situations. And it became uncomfortable for me because at this point, it actually, like, was wrong on my end because I was showing up to courses with the assumption that nobody there had respect for me, and it was causing me to act weird. And so, like, it honestly just wasn't me and it wasn't fun for me. It made me so nervous all the time to interact with anybody at a club. And I'm like, what is wrong with me? Like, I've been around this game my whole life. I should be showing up with confidence. I have something to show for it. And, like, I know what I'm doing here. I shouldn't be showing up like, I'm a nervous little beginner.
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B
Right? I feel like it's almost in that instance. I feel like sometimes when people assume that I shouldn't be in a room because I'm a woman and it has to deal with sports. I feel like I overcompensate in, like, a bitchiness way, because it's almost like I get taken more seriously in that instance.
- [50:48]
A
Yeah. And I don't like that feeling is what I ultimately decided. Like, when my ego is compensating in that way and I have to be, like, extra serious and, like, not my bubbly self. Like, I'm not having fun and I'm not helping anything, actually. So I'm a huge proponent of being yourself and letting people believe what they want to believe about you and letting things kind of shake the shake out in time. Like, I think I was. I was, like, wanting really badly to, like. Like, I'd walk into a pro shop and I'd, like, look super casual and, like, I don't know. I can't even see.
- [51:26]
B
I feel like, like, fine, hand me the beginner clubs, and I'm gonna go out there and I'm gonna break them, and you're gonna look like an idiot.
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A
Yeah, right. Like, I told you, I needed a stiff shaft, and you didn't believe me. So here's your broken club. I'll invoice you for the now.
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B
Yeah. Thank you, my man. That's so interesting. And I know that, like, golf can be, like. I feel like it's typically. Or, like, not typically, but it. When you think of golf, everybody thinks it's of it. Like, man. Like a man sport. Like, the men are on the golf course or smoking cigars after they think of, like, the toxic, like, masculinity aspect of, like, golf and, like, traditionally how it's been. Which is even crazy because, like, the country club that I grew up at, there was a men's grill, but there was no women's grill.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So, like, even that in that instance, it's like, oh, there's not a space for women here. But I admire that you're, like, creating a space for female golfers, and you're showing it as, like, interesting and cute. Like, you're a cute, trendy girl. Like, the idea of, like, going out there and, like, hitting a club, like, you make it look so effortless. So I feel like it's very appealing to, like, people who might be, like, intimidated by the sport.
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A
I hope it is, because, yes, we're still going to be running into people who are going to have assumptions about you for all kinds of reasons. Like, it can be what you're wearing, what you look like, your skin color, your gender. Like, it could be Anything. And so I think, like, I kind of had to just accept that sometimes, even though I'm a scratch golfer, I'm going to show up, too, of course. And, you know, they're gonna look at me and not charge. They're gonna charge me a cart fee instead of my tea time, and I'm gonna walk away and say thank you because they saved me $200. But they don't. They just are assuming that I'm riding along with Davis, like, that kind of thing, you know.
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B
That's incredible, actually.
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A
I'm gonna actually just eat the benefits here.
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B
Right. Well, as. Now that you. I was gonna say, now that you mentioned scratch golfer, I have some golf terms that I need you to help us understand.
- [53:26]
A
Let's define.
- [53:27]
B
Okay, you can, like, give a quick, like, synopsis, and let's, like, not dumb it down, because I don't think if you don't know these, you're dumb. But let's simplify them.
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A
Yeah.
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B
What's a handicap? Okay.
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A
Your handicap. Oh, this is really complicated. I'm gonna. I'm gonna simplify it. And if we have any golf fanatics who want to argue with me, you can argue till your face turns blue. Perfect handicap is essentially your average in relation to par. And it's not really an average because technically how it's calculated is, like, with recency. So you're not, you know, you're not calculating every single recent score. And then there's other aspects to it like slope and course rating and all these things that help go into this calculation of your handicap. But essentially there's a. There's a calculation slash. I don't want to call it an algorithm, but it's your average in relation to par. So if par is 72 and you typically shoot about 75, your handicap is more or less a 3.
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B
Okay.
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A
Other factors, like the difficulty of the course affects how the calculation gets done.
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B
Right.
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A
But that's how it is. And then when you hear a plus handicap, counterintuitive, that means you're on the negative side of par. So if you typically shoot about 70, if that's closer to your average, you're like a plus two, which is really, really good. And if you typically are shooting par 72ish, you're going to be a zero. And that's like, the scratch range is like. I forget what it is. Maybe below five or something, but.
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B
Okay. Interesting.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, I always hear of people talking about their handicaps.
- [55:10]
A
I'm like, oh, yeah, it's really cool because it's. It like Evens the playing field. So even though the calculation and stuff is complicated, we don't have to do that. We just enter it into, like, the Gin app, and you just enter your scores and that's it. And, like, where you played.
- [55:22]
B
Okay. Interesting.
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A
Yeah.
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B
What is a mulligan?
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A
An extra shot. It's just like, you hit a bad shot, somebody can. And it depends. Like, you don't get a mulligan in a tournament. But if you are just playing with your buddies, they can say, yeah, buddy, have an extra million.
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B
Have a million. You already described par, birdie, eagle, and.
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A
Bogey all just scores in relation to par. So if you're on a par four, par is four. One less is a birdie. That would be a three. On a par four, two less is an eagle. So that's a two. On a par four, one more than par is a bogey, double bogey, triple bogey, so on in that direction until you get to, like, double par. But yeah, like, all of these are just terms in relation to par, and it just depends what type of hole you're on to get that exact number. Like, on a par five, an eagle would be a three.
- [56:17]
B
Okay. What is a scratch golfer?
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A
A scratch golfer is somebody that shoots about par.
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B
Okay.
- [56:23]
A
So your cap is, like, zero essentially, or better.
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B
That's not what the term sounds like. Scratch golfer to me sounds like somebody who's, like, not that good and, like, scratches out.
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A
So I was really good.
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B
What about slice and hook?
- [56:38]
A
I need to take back that I'm a scratch golfer because I don't think I am anymore. I can't remember the last time I kept my score. So let me just. Let me retract that statement.
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B
Really good.
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A
A slice and a hook.
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B
Yes.
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A
A slice if you're a righty is when the ball curves to the right, and a hook, if you're a righty, is when the ball curves to the left. If you're a lefty. These are going to be reversed.
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B
Okay. And then are there any terms in addition to those that you think we should know?
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A
I would say a big one to get used to as a beginner golfer are like, general yardages. So, like, different tee boxes, obviously, are going to change the yardage of the course. And so if you ever hear a really big number spewed out, like, oh, the blue tees are 6700. That's, like, the total yardage of the course that they're referencing. And so, for example, like, the blue tees are. Let's say it's black, blue, gold, Green, red, not women's red.
- [57:50]
B
Oh, my God.
- [57:53]
A
I would get familiar, especially like as you progress in golf, instead of just playing the same tee, I would get familiar with looking at the yardages. So that way, like on one course, you could play the red tees one day and it could be, let's say 5,000 yards, but you can play another course where the red tees are only 4, 500. So maybe you can play the gold tees next time. So I would just like start paying attention to that number on the scorecard of like what the total yardage of each tee marker is so that you can kind of progress and challenge yourself over time and know what area you're gonna fall in. Like, I typically shoot for something around 6,200 yards. Interesting, good sized golf course for me.
- [58:34]
B
You're like, that's like, I still don't know what that means, but. But we're working our way up there. So if somebody, hopefully the people who are interested in getting to golf take away some good stuff from this podcast. But if somebody is trying to get into it, what would you recommend? Like, do they need like anything specific? Like you can rent clubs? Are golf shoes, like, necessary?
- [59:00]
A
No, I mean, if you're a brand new, if you're a green beginner, I would say number one for everybody, make golf like your wellness activity. Let's just position it as that from day one and not this like men's smoking, drinking arena. Because it's really not. It's. We're just gearing away from that. And so I love to use it and I love to suggest this as a beginner as sort of like a meditative out outside time. So even just going to your local public course and using their practice facilities, that's 100% free. You can show up and practice short game if they have that facility, do some putting, put your headphones in or you can go work on your swing on the range. Like, that's the first thing I recommend before you get out and like play a full round of golf. Just because I think it's really meditative and it's nice to get outside and like work on a task. It kind of like clears your brain. Even more so for me than like running. People say running clears their brain. If you hate to run, you would love golf because it does the same thing and you don't have to run. Love that. But yeah, golf shoes, if you're at that stage, like, not necessary, you can thrift your clubs. You're literally just trying to get the hang of like what it feels like to swing and putt and be around the game. And then once you start to find some consistency, if you are like wanting to take clients out or play with your friends or your husband or your girlfriend or whatever, I would recommend just a basic beginner scent. Spend under $500. Just don't. Don't go crazy.
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B
Don't go crazy. I actually really want a pair of a pair. I want a golf set for Christmas. I'm like, really want that. I've been asking Isaac for years.
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A
My giveaways.
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B
You said what?
- [60:45]
A
Every month I give away a full set of clubs.
- [60:47]
B
Wait, what?
- [60:49]
A
Yeah, it's just like something I'm doing for this year. This month is fun. Ping offered to sponsor it, so they, they're going to like custom build somebody a fresh set of clubs.
- [60:58]
B
Oh my gosh. I need that because I am a tall girl, so it is.
- [61:03]
A
Yeah, you actually do. And like a lot of them do have tall options if you wanted to to pick that. But probably maybe not even tall enough.
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B
I don't know. No, literally, probably not.
- [61:13]
A
Right.
- [61:14]
B
Okay. So before I end every episode, I always ask some rapid fire questions. So it's this or that, essentially. Vintage jerseys or modern jerseys?
- [61:25]
A
Vintage.
- [61:27]
B
Walking the course or riding in the golf cart?
- [61:30]
A
Walking.
- [61:31]
B
Really?
- [61:32]
A
Yeah.
- [61:32]
B
Okay. Early morning tea time or late afternoon round?
- [61:38]
A
I call this the Dew sweepers or the barn closers. I'm a Dew sweeper.
- [61:44]
B
Okay, so you, you like to hit it early in the morning.
- [61:48]
A
Wait, never mind. I'm gonna be a barn closer for this one. I change time.
- [61:52]
B
I think you're just like. I just like. Golf skort or golf shorts?
- [61:58]
A
Skort.
- [61:59]
B
Golf shorts. The idea of those kind of terrify me because I know they're long.
- [62:03]
A
I've never met a good one. Yeah, I actually have. I have one good pair by Adidas. I don't want to. I don't want to throw them under the bus. They did a good one.
- [62:11]
B
Group lessons versus private coaching.
- [62:15]
A
If I was a beginner, I would be signing up for group lessons for sure.
- [62:18]
B
I love that.
- [62:19]
A
If you're more serious, you're. You already have private lessons probably, right?
- [62:24]
B
Ordering a drink on the course or ordering a hot dog.
- [62:28]
A
Hot dog.
- [62:30]
B
Bright bold colors or classic neutral tones?
- [62:34]
A
I'm pro. Everybody knows. I'm going to say classic neutral, but I want you guys to know that I am wearing color these days. Not right now. And I'm going to have some colors at bunker too.
- [62:43]
B
Like currently in brown and gray.
- [62:45]
A
Yeah, you just wait like you and.
- [62:48]
B
Your dog and, like, everything in the background is, like, similar. I know, but sure, I'll take your word for it. Always hitting the perfect drive or always nailing impossible putts.
- [63:01]
A
I mean, like, what feels better as a woman? The drive feels better because that is what gets the people who are, like, hanging around the first tea to notice you. So I think that's my egotistical answer.
- [63:16]
B
It's the. It's the middle finger, essentially.
- [63:18]
A
It is a little bit, but the putt. You'll be a better golfer if the putt is your. Is your choice.
- [63:24]
B
I hate putting, but that's besides the point. Thank you so much for coming on. I hope everybody listening to this can take away, like, some good stuff. Where can people find you if they want to hear more?
- [63:37]
A
Find me on tick tock, Instagram, YouTube, Snapchat. I'm literally on everything at Haley Bookholtz. That name will change soon to Haley McCartney because we're getting married, which we didn't even touch Ellie on my name change.
- [63:50]
B
But are you changing your last name?
- [63:53]
A
But we're changing both of our last names to McCartney, which was, like, his original family name that got changed in, like, a couple years ago. Long story, but we're taking McCartney. Um, but yeah, find me at Haley bookholtz or@bunkerathletic club.com. we'll be launching in the next couple of months, so I'll see you guys there.
- [64:12]
B
Oh, that's so exciting. All right, well, thank you for coming on and thank you guys for listening. Be sure to tune in next Sunday. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.