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Sunday Sports Club with Allison Kuch
Mom strength vs. gymnast strength with guest Shawn Johnson East
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The following podcast is a Dear Media Production.
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What's up, guys? Welcome back to Sunday Sports Club Podcast, a podcast all about sports told by a woman. And that woman is me. Hi, guys. I'm Alison Kuch, your host. And today I'm joined by a very special, very cool guest. And the last time I talked to her in podcast form, I had just gotten married. So everybody welcome Shawn Johnson East. She is a four times Olympic medalist, entrepreneur, author, mom of three, dog mom of two. The list goes on and on. So welcome to Sunday Sports Club.
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Thank you for having me. Great to see you again. I still can't believe it's been that long. It's been.
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Yeah, been a minute. Yeah. Me and Isaac were on your podcast when we had literally just got married.
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Please.
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The chaos is entering the screen.
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That is my parents. Catch. By the way, she is crazy.
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I also have a cat, which a lot of people don't know that, but every once in a while she just makes a little cameo. But, yeah, a lot of life has happened since you and I last talked. I think you only had two kids.
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The last time we talked. How long have you been married?
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20, 21.
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Okay. So, yeah, I had just had. I just had my second kid. Probably now. Three kids, two dogs, parents, cat. Oh, my gosh.
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No. Literally, a lot of chaos. I'm honestly in awe. Did you and your husband always know that you wanted three kids?
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I think it's really funny. So I am an only child. I was raised in, like, the most perfect, beautiful, zero chaos home. I think that's why I was such a good gymnast, because I'm like, an anal perfectionist and I like, control. And then I married into a family. My husband is one of five. And it's absolute chaos. And I just kind of fell in love with that. It's something I never knew as a kid. So when we got married and started talking kids, we knew we wanted at least. At least two. I mean, God willing and, like, all the things.
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Right.
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Um, but I was open to, like, three or four. And then fast forward. We have three kids, and I just feel like our family's complete. I also feel like I might be going insane. Um, because we have three kids under the age of six. They're very close. Um, so it's been a lot, but it's also amazing. I do love the chaos. I love staying busy. I love the logistics of it. You're gonna knock my computer over, Kat. And it's just been fun. But, yeah, I. I don't know if I ever imagined my life like this when I was younger because I didn't know what like a big family looked like.
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The, the big families I've always been in awe of because I grew up with two other siblings, but we just didn't have a huge extended family. I think I had one or two cousins. When I say one or two, it's like I have like stuff. It's complicated. Okay. Yeah, but it's. I always wanted a bigger family because I liked the chaos. I liked the idea of like going over to this person's house for this holiday and this person's house and whereas in with my family it was very like, okay, all the holidays are here, we're all staying here. But my family always had an open door policy because I think they wanted more chaos and they didn't want more kids. So it was like anybody who like doesn't have a place to go for holidays, like the door was always open and now I'm like, well, I guess I can have as many kids as I want. That sounds like a lot. But like I. It's so weird that you can like grow your own family as much as you want. But it is crazy coming from you being an only child. Yeah, it is.
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And it's, it's rocked my parents world as well. So grandma and grandpa don't know how to deal with it. But I truly love it. Like the difference from my upbringing, which I loved by the way. Like zero negative, you know, comments on being an only child. My parents are my best friends. They literally live like two doors down from us. We're building a property right now and we're all going to live together on like a multi generational compound. I mean we couldn't be closer. But I do love the big family dynamic. So it's, it's definitely taken time to get used to and figure out how to do the whole big family thing. But we just came from a cousin's camp where we had 50 kids like my kids generation and they're all related and it's just fun. It's.
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That sounds like a lot of fun.
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It's so cool.
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But as I've heard a lot of discourse when it comes to being the only child, I made a TikTok a few maybe like last week and I made the comment about like oh like having a second kid and so many people were in the comments and there was a lot of discourse between, is it not rude? Is it bad to only have one child? Like are you doing your child a disservice? But it's interesting Hearing from you, like, you were, like, I. It didn't affect you. It didn't.
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I will say, like, I had always. I grew up wishing I had siblings, but I also don't feel like I missed out on anything. I think that's one of the reasons, again, I fell in love with gymnastics, is I found such a community of, like, best friends and almost sisters in my teammates. I loved going to the gym, and I loved hanging out with them. But I also got to have such special and very intimate time with my parents. Again, they were my best friends. I was kind of like a little adult growing up, because I got to go to do everything that my parents did. They just. I was always tagging along, so I don't think it's doing them a disservice. I will say the only thing that I have learned over time, seeing, like, my husband and his friends and, like, friends of mine, is as an adult, it is different. As a kid, I don't really feel like I missed out on anything. I had, like, different lifestyle than other kids who had a bunch of siblings. But as an adult, not having those siblings and those, like, not nieces and nephews and having those people to kind of do life with outside of your friends, I. I do wish I have, like, I had that. That.
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Yes.
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And that was a huge reason why we had three kids. And I could probably can be. Be convinced of a fourth later on.
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If you're saying that now there's a chance of you having a fourth in the future.
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I mean, it would have to be a long way away, but it's only because this idea of, like, I want them to have each other when they grow up.
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No, I totally understand that. I feel like you have quickly, like, fallen in love with the chaos that is now your life, and you have so much that's going on. It's so interesting to hear, like, going from, you know, growing up and being so disciplined with gymnastics at such a young age to now, you're like, oh, I love the chaos. Like, bring it on. Like, we just added another dog like this and that. So. So when you introduce yourself to somebody you've never met before, what do you say?
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I usually hide everything because I am the last person to be like, hey, do you know I was. I was a gymnast, but it's usually like, I'm a mom. I had three kids. That's about it.
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And you just leave out the whole, like, gold medal, all of that.
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I leave out everything. Yeah. I. It feels like such a different lifetime ago. And honestly, I Do feel like there has been such an identity shift. I was like, I retired when I was 19 and though so incredible and I'm so proud, I just don't feel like that person anymore, especially being a mom. Like my, my kids little participation ribbon for their first season of soccer at the age of two I think is way cooler than like the Olympic medal. So it just feels like a completely different person.
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That is one hilarious too. It's so interesting that you retired at the age of 19.
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Yeah.
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I'm like. And it's crazy. I can relate to the. It feels like a different life because even though Isaac retired from the NFL just last year, I sometimes forget he ever played professional football. So he'll say something and I'm like, oh, you're going for a run. Like, that's like, you know, I was an athlete, right? I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah. Like I totally forgot about that. And it's. It's crazy how quickly life changes. What do you think has changed your life the most, do you think? Having kids?
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Oh, 1,000%. I feel like, especially for me, just as a mom, I feel like it changed everything. I changed how I looked, my outlook on life, how I perceived myself, how I looked at my mistakes, and just everything in life. I feel like I became a completely different person for the better, honestly, because I was, you know, I feel like I was crippled by the anxieties of being a professional athlete. And then that kind of all went away when I was, when I became a mom.
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What rocked your world? 0 to 1, 1 to 2 or 2 to 3?
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2 to 3 for sure. I. And I hate to say that because, like, I have such a hard time. I say this a lot. So I hope my 3 year old doesn't grow up and be like, oh, I was such a burden. Um, but he was just zero to one is very hard. That changes your entire life, I mean your entire lifestyle. You.
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You change.
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So that was very difficult one to do. Two felt the easiest, I think, because I wasn't afraid of the baby thing anymore and I had kind of like gotten the first out. But two to three, I went in so confident thinking, like, this is my third. I know exactly what to do. I know how to like sleep, train them and feed them. And I had done the pumping thing and I had done the nursing. Like I had done everything between the two of them and this little kid who is the love of my life. And he's incredible, but he came out and everything was different. And he wouldn't sleep, he wouldn't eat. He was unhappy. We had, like. We had to figure out so many things with him, and it just rocked my world. And it was in the middle of December. We couldn't even go outside for a walk. It was. I just had such a hard time figuring this little dude out. That was the hardest. He rocked us.
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And now. How old is he now?
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He's a year and a half. And now he's thriving. We're. We're having such a great time.
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Him and Scotty were born around the same time then. Yeah, December 9th.
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Oh, yeah. We're December 12th.
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Okay. That's so fun. This. This age, I've quickly realized, is, like, the most fun that I've had because you can, like, interact with them, but it's also the most terrifying because they have, like, so many opinions.
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I was gonna say I love. I never know which way people are gonna go. Cause this is, like, I hate to say it, my least favorite age. It is so much fun, especially for your first. This is your first, right?
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Yes.
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I didn't miss a second kid.
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Okay. Not that I know of.
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It is amazing with your first because you get to see their personality come out, and you get to start playing and you get to do stuff. But I feel like once you get through this phase, you're gonna be like, oh, yeah, that was pretty hard. They can move and they can, like, they're mobile, but they can't really communicate. And there's a lot of, like, liabilities. They're massive liabilities. And I love the three. I love when they turn three, because they're little humans. You can keep their attention. You can teach them more. But, yeah, the 1 to 2 is very difficult for me.
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Oh, okay. That's good to know, though, because I feel like every stage I've gotten out of, I've been like, okay, that was the hardest. And then every stage is, like, my new favorite. But then in hindsight, I'm like, wait, that was hard.
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What?
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Like, what was my favorite about that? Yeah, I feel like this may be just like, parenthood in general.
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I mean, I think that's the rest of our life, because when they start, like, dating and then getting married and, like, we're going to be like, this is impossible to handle. So I don't know how we ever. We'll never get a break, ever. Which is great. We signed up for this.
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But, no, it's terrifying, but, like, the best thing to ever happen to you all wrapped into one. And growing up, you had a very interesting childhood to me, because I grew up like, very relaxed when it came to sports. Like, I would skip a few days here and there. Like, we'd do all these vacations and whatnot. Like, I didn't treat my sport growing up like a job, but you immediately started treating it like a job, and it became very serious very quick. So now that you have kids, are you. Do you have the same discipline when it comes to sports with your kids?
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Zero percent. Well, yes and no. Okay, how do I explain this? I was very, very disciplined, and I just kind of progressed very quickly. So I made the national team when I was 12 and started traveling internationally, which sounds ridiculous to say. I used to think I was an adult back then. I'm like, I was literally a baby. And then I competed at the Olympics when I was 16. So, yes, that's insane. And I even look back on it as a parent, I'm like, how is that possible? But I had a very normal childhood. Like, leading up to that. My parents put me in gymnastics just like we would put our kids in. I started like a Mommy and Me class. We were just, like, looking for activity. I was a really active 12 year old. And they're like, we need to find an outlet for her energy. They tried ballet. I hated it. Put me in a gymnastics gym, fell in love with a trampoline, and I would come home tired. And so they were like, this is a win for us as parents. Yes. As we all know. And honestly, I just did. I did that for years. I did, like, the one or two classes a week as it progressed. I then went on to do soccer. On top of that, I tried track and, like, middle school. I danced. I did all these different things. So that was very, very normal in the context of, like, I wasn't disciplined. I would skip practices. I would, you know, just like any other kid. But I do remember around the age of like, 12, I don't even know what grade that is anymore. 8th, 7. Having a conversation with my coach where he was kind of like, this is getting more intense. The next step would be to try to kind of go for this national team and start competing. And that was when I kind of had to weed things out and become a not so ordinary child and ended up giving up, you know, the track and soccer and dance and got to be very disciplined. But I was just obsessed with it. I'm a very type A perfectionist, driven personality, which I see in my daughter now, which is terrifying. I don't know how to. I don't know how to mom that.
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How to parent that.
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Yeah, no, I'm like, just chill out. But I was so obsessed with it. And so I just. I was so driven by going back and learning more and doing better. So for me, it was completely led by myself and not led by people around me or my. My parents. They desperately just wanted me to have a normal childhood. So with my kids, I'm trying to do the same exact thing that my parents did, which is just like, show my kids opportunities. We've tried things where my kids are like, absolutely not. I hate everything about this. And I'm like, great, we will never go back. I just forfeited, you know, your tuition to do that. But whatever. But just trying to show them different outlets and see what they kind of latch on to. And when they latch onto something, I kind of try to foster it, but not burn them out, but let them lead it. Yeah, like, I could care less. I'm not trying to, like, breed a successful, you know, athlete. I just want them to find something that they love. Because I remember that as a kid being the best feeling.
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It's actually surprising for me to find that out is like, it was like you had very normal childhood. Like, you were doing other sports, you were having fun. It was more so like you making the decision, which I feel like so many people or even other people that went through the same thing you did had it very differently.
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Very.
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I'm very lucky with my teammate in life. He. He thinks the same exact way. I could get on a pedestal and preach about how I think people are taking away all the fun for kids in athletics, but we won't go there today. I've just seen it so much. I've seen all of these little kids be pushed to succeed and be the best at the age of six, and it just doesn't work that way. I think both my husband and I, having seen it firsthand within the NFL and within the Olympics, you see these people who are at the professional level, and they just hate it. It's been a job since they were young, and it was never fun or they lost the fun somewhere in it. And for us, we both, as parents, just feel like it's our duty to help our kids find their thing, whatever that is. And I think you can teach drive, and you can teach, you know, overcoming failures, and you can teach perseverance and stuff, all after a kid finds their thing. But the greatest memories both my husband and I have of athletics was literally just going into the gym or the field or whatever it was and playing and being kids. And I think we've lost a lot of that in our culture today. And so for us, I think the. The psychotic part for us right now is, like, researching all of these new programs that are, like, unlocking themselves for our kids and trying to find people who will allow our kids to be kids and not say, you know, you can't show up or, like, you can't take a day off or, like, all the crazy stuff that they're telling kids these days, which is just not realistic.
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The thing about social media is it's definitely opened up my eyes to so many different parenting Styles. And it's really interesting to see when parents go very one way or very the other way, because I feel like there's balance in being a parent. And where you have balance, I think that is, like, the best type of upbringing. Obviously, I'm a little biased. Like, my parents were always very balanced with, like, hey, like, if you play a sport, like, we're not going to force you to go and get a job, but if you don't want to play a sport, then you're going to go get a job. Like, you're going to do something after school. And they weren't. They were, like, disciplined. And, like, if you commit to something, you have to follow through, but not so much that, like, hey, every year you're doing this X, Y and Z. And I think that balance is something that really needs to be, like, maintained in this culture now. And I also see it with adults, too, though. It's like, what's next? Like, the hustle culture. The, like, constantly needing to do something and be successful at everything. And it's like, it's okay to fail sometimes, and it's okay to, like, not like something. And it's also just like a learning process. Like, isn't that life?
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I mean, yes. I keep going, preach. I wish everybody knew this. I think it's so funny. Just like you were saying, when people become parents, you see this polarization of, like, people take one side or the other. And for us, exactly what you said is what we're trying to do is, like, balance. I have friends who, like, don't believe in any extracurricular activities at all. Kids should be home with their families. And I'm like, that's beautiful. But kids also have all these things that they want to learn and do and socialize. And then you see the other side of parents trying to do four sports at the age of three, and there's four games on Saturday, and they're not missing a whatever. And I think just finding that middle ground and allowing kids to experiment and have fun is cool, but it does kind of set them up for either failure or success as an adult, because then they're either overly obsessed with being busy or they don't know how to start something. Yeah, there's so much. It's also different, too. My husband and I were blessed and challenged with. We had the very type A perfectionist daughter first, and then we had the wild man second and learned very quickly that one parenting style does not work across the board.
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So interesting.
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The balance side of that has been really interesting for Us, because we had to relearn how to parent with our second kid, and then we had to relearn how to parent with our third kid. Every kid is completely different, and they take criticism differently, and they take direction differently, and they. Their passions are different. And it's like, learning how to foster that in kids is really challenging and beautiful. I. We talk about it all the time, but it's like, how can we do the best for each individual little human?
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I think you guys are already even being aware of that. I feel like you're already, like, so many steps ahead of parents who are just like, no, it's one size fits all. I actually came across TikTok this morning, and they were two parents sitting down saying that, like, they have three D1 athlete kids, and they didn't have any cable TV in the house or video games. I'm like, that's not the reason your kids are D1. Like, my. My brother was obsessed with video games, and he also, like, went to swim at the Olympic trials. Like. Like, it. The. Those two things don't correlate. I'm like, how. How tall are you guys? Because you guys look pretty tall from video here.
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Maybe because they're like, six.
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Four. Yeah, exactly. But as you growing up, being such a public figure, I mean, America's sweetheart during the Beijing Olympics, how did that change your identity in the way that you viewed yourself?
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Oh, wow.
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I was gonna say, it's a lot of pressure, and it's so public.
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Yeah, it is. And it. I had my ups and downs. I was very, very lucky going all the way up into the Olympics, going, you know, 0 to 16 years old. I was very lucky to have a community around me and a support group and a circle of people. My coach, my family, my parents, my friends who were incredible, my teachers, everybody who supported me. It was very like, we don't care what you do. I don't care if you fall flat on your face. I don't care if you even show up for your competition. Like, we still love you. So I felt very good to have, like, this foundation and identity rooted in, like, just being me and being a kid. I would say it kind of skewed a little bit just hearing the noise of commentators and, you know, headlines afterwards to where, as a kid, I had a hard time figuring out how to keep those voices in my head telling me that I did have value outside of being a gymnast in the Olympics. Especially when the entire world is praising you for being, like, the best gymnast. It's like, I don't know what else to do. And then afterwards, they're like, are you going to keep going? You should. You know, it's for your country. It's like, what you're good at. I had to navigate that for a while, and that was kind of hard because I knew I was done with gymnastics, but I didn't know how to go be something else when the world was telling me the only thing I was really good at was gymnastics. I got lost in that for a while. Ended up getting desperate as a kid and losing my identity for a while, which sounds depressing. And it was a roller coaster, but it was just a teenage thing, too. I went back into gymnastics. I tried to compete in the 2012 Olympics. Hated it. I was like, I still don't want to do this. But everyone was like, cheering me on, and they're like, this is the best thing ever. You're like, I hate this so much. I ended up retiring right before Olympic trials because I was just burnt and then started again. Tried to find a new thing. And it was around then that I met my husband. And he. I was 20 when we met, and he kind of helped build me from the ground up just to be a normal human being. And it was the greatest gift I was ever given. But, yeah, it was hard. It's hard. I mean, I'm sure by, like, in a comparison way, like, your husband retiring from what he's done for so long and what the world praises him for is really confusing, and it's really humbling, and it's such a beautiful thing. But it is hard, especially as a professional athlete, to, like, navigate that because it was such a huge part of your identity for such a long time.
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B
I just wonder how much how. What would be different had there not been the outside noise? Because even you mentioning, like, my husband retiring, he looks back at his career and he's so proud of it. Like, seven years in the NFL is a long fucking time.
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A
Okay?
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B
But so many people on social media, like, kind of degrade his career. And they're like, well, yeah, but you were on practice squad or, yeah, but, like, how many plays. How many games did you play in, like, your last season? And it's so sad because it's such an incredible thing and something to be proud of. But then all the outside noise affects your even vision of, like, what your career was. Yeah.
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A
I wish it wasn't there, but it's also such a blessing because it gives you a sense of community and purpose and showcases your story. I was very lucky when I competed in 2008, we didn't have social media yet. It had just started. I think Twitter had just started. I can't imagine competing in today's world. I cannot imagine, especially as a professional athlete having your craft, that you are the best in the world at. You are the point, 0001% just being picked apart by people sitting on the couch at home. I wish that noise was better, and I wish we as like a whole, as society could respect that more. But I don't know how you deal with it. Like, for me, it was just kind of like I had to fall flat on my face and build myself back up. But it is. It was, for me, all about keeping my circle really small. And just when I wasn't able to talk to myself in a positive way, I would lean on those around me to kind of tell me the truth and just, like, reiterate it until my brain got strong enough to say the same thing. But it sucks.
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B
It sucks. Yeah, it. It does suck. In it, I'm like, I look at people criticizing all these people on Love island, like it's their job. I'm like, we should, as humans, not have to pick apart people's every, like, word, every sentence, like, all of their flaws. I'm like, this is. This is feeling eerie to me. What do you. From an athlete perspective, what do you think needs to be changed to better improve the mental health of some of these young athletes?
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A
Oh, my gosh.
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B
That's a big question.
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A
A lot of things I would say, I think, in the athletic world, in professional sports. I know every professional sport is different. I do feel like the NFL is a little bit better in this world where, like, they have resources or they make resources available. But I would say the biggest thing that I would love to see change is for the most part, athletes are taken care of when they're competing. For the most part. I do bare minimum, heavily believe across the board, there are a lot of sports that are missing a lot of things. So without naming every sport, you know, I wish. I wish competing athletes had psychologists that were with them, nutritionists, like, support. But it's almost like the day that an athlete retires, people are like, oh, they don't need us anymore. Or it's not even worth, you know, investing time into. And I think that is so sad and scary because all the bad stuff happens when an athlete retires.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I think there should be, like, a mandatory lag time of, like, two to five years where you have to check in and you have to have support and you have to have a community around you that's helping rebuild you. Because my husband and I talk about this. Professional athletes have a side of them that is not healthy. And I don't mean that in like a dramatic way, but it's like they're able to take their minds to such an extreme level that when you take away that outlet, it takes a while to figure out how to restructure that or how to re, you know, repurpose that in a different light. And I wish for the mental health of all competing athletes. They had resources to kind of navigate that with someone.
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B
Yeah, it's interesting you say that. I'm like thinking to yesterday where my husband ran a marathon. I'm like, oh, like he has all this pent up, like he just needs to do something. So he's running marathons with little to no training. I'm like, huh, that makes a lot of sense. But I do think the NFL does a good job and like, the NFLPA is very much for the athlete. I just wish all sports were able to do the same thing. Because I do. I do agree that like a lot of the bad stuff happens when you retire or when you're no longer playing the sport or competing. And it's a huge life shift. I mean, some of these athletes start playing or their Sport at like 3 or 4 years old and then one day it's just gone and it's like, what are you doing next? Like, where are you going with that? I will say, thank God now that athletes can start getting paid in college.
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A
Yes.
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B
Because imagine like competing your entire life and then graduating college. Obviously you have a college degree, but like, you have no experience, you never did an internship. Like sports really consumed all of that, like a full time job, but you have nothing to show for it.
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A
Yep. I remember back before nil. I remember there was a huge discrepancy because I desperately wanted to compete in collegiate athletics. But because of like money and because of like paying off student debt and like all these things, I ended up having to go professional so I could pay bills. And the fact that I even had to make that decision between like going to college and getting a college education on top of competing and just going to work shouldn't have been an issue.
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B
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And you, you don't have to talk about this if you don't want to.
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A
But open book.
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B
Being an athlete and like having so much emphasis on like being in shape and, and your muscles and like always like being in like a leotard, which is essentially just a bathing suit. How did you view your body after having kids or how do you view it now?
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A
So I had a really interesting experience with this. I have been very open with this. I went through a ton of eating disorders and stuff while I was competing and especially afterwards because when I retired I went through puberty. It was like there was just a lot of things happening and it happened on national television. And just like people, the one thing that they wanted to critique was my body. I was no longer that 16 year old, you know, 7% body fat gymnast. I was just a normal girl and people didn't like it. And I had a really hard Time with that. So I struggled with eating disorders and like the mental health side of that for a long time. And I worked to try to heal that over the span of like 10 years. When I got pregnant, it was like the biggest miracle I have ever felt in my life because it immediately went away. All of that, every negative talk I had in my head, my obsession with food to a negative side, it all went away because for the first time I didn't see my body in like a vanity light. I saw it as like a tool for my baby. And it's like in a very quick instant my worst fear was harming myself. Whereas like I could have cared less before then if I, like I didn't eat enough or whatever it was. Having like a baby, I was just like, I need to take care of myself better than I've ever taken care of myself before. And it, it, I don't want to say it cured me, but it helped me so much to see everything in a different light. Yes. I went through times, especially postpartum where I would look in a mirror and be like, holy smokes. I don't know what that is. Things just looked a lot different.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But I ended up giving myself so much more grace because I understood it was more of a tool than it was how I had treated it for years. I will say it shifted a little bit after the third just because I knew I was done. So it was no longer this like preservation of keeping my body perfect for pregnancy.
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B
Yeah.
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A
It was more so like now I feel like I need to get me back. But because I had six years of pregnancy and postpartum, I felt like I had healed mentally enough to, to navigate those roads gently.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah. I will say it's rough. There's a lot of things that go in. Your body changes so much. I gained almost 80 pounds with every kid, which is wild on a 411 frame. That is a 10 pound baby. As my second kid, it's impressive. I wasn't a cute pregnant person. You know, you see these movies and I'm like, that's not me. But I was, I really, I was very lucky with my mind because my mind has gone to some very dark places over the years and I was lucky to not have that while I was pregnant.
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B
It always blows my mind that like you and I can have the same baby like baby in terms of pounds. Yeah. But I'm six feet tall and you're. Or 11.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And we're having the same experience and I'm like, wow. Like I loved pregnancy like Yeah. I had so much space in my body the same pregnancy that you did.
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A
I was. I. Okay. Pregnancy is such a blessing. I don't ever want to take it for granted because, like, we struggled to get pregnant. We had miscarriages and, like, all these things. But I will say I hated it.
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B
I was not one of them, and still be grateful.
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A
Yeah, I was like, I just get this baby out of me.
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B
I have to be very sensitive when I say I love being pregnant because I didn't throw up once. I had, like, a week of, like, a little bit of nausea. But aside from that, like, I got to. I got to 39 weeks, and I was like, I could keep going, but people look at me and they're like, I actually hate you. I'm like, you know what? Honestly, if I was throwing up or if I was uncomfortable, if I was, like, super swollen and I had 10 more weeks to go, I would hate me too. Like, that makes a lot of sense. But I am very similar to you in that I. I think that having a baby and watching my body grow a baby really healed me in the way that how I look at my body. Because you're right. It wasn't like, oh, I need to be. I need to look this way or I need to do this. It was more so like, oh, no, I'm growing a baby. Like, I. I don't care. I just want, like, my daughter to be healthy, and I'm the tool to do that. Like, why would I ever do anything otherwise? And even more so now I think about it as in, I want to be here forever. Like, I want to hang out with my daughter. I want to be running with her. So it's like, I just want the body that's going to be healthiest for the life I want to give my daughter.
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A
I was. We didn't find out with our daughter, our first baby, what we were having.
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B
That's crazy.
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A
I highly recommend it.
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B
Crazy.
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A
If you decide to do babies again, I highly recommend it.
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B
No, the next baby, my husband's like, I don't want to find out. And I'm like, I want to find out.
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A
So.
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B
So we might find. Like, I might find out and he might not. I don't know if that would actually work.
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A
My selling point is this. You and Isaac have the cutest relationships. I really feel like you would like this. There is no better moment than being in the delivery room and having your husband, like, announce to you what you just had.
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B
It feels wild dream to me. That's for sure.
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A
It is. But I will never forget, like, Andrew being like, baby, we just had a girl. Like, he's holding her for the first time. Anyways, I digress. I remember when I was pregnant, I kept thinking I was terrified of the idea of having a girl because of everything I'd gone through because of eating disorders and the body image and just the pressures. There are so many pressures on both girls and boys. So I don't want to, like, diminish that. But the amount of pressures that I had felt as a girl, I didn't know how to parent. And I was like, I just don't know if I'm meant to be a girl, Mom. I really think God's gonna give me only boys because of everything. And so when I found out we had had a girl, I was like, oh, crap. I don't know how to do this. But it truly, again, that healing process kind of shifted it where I was like, okay, it's time to be a different person than I've been my whole life. And I need to teach my daughter from day one how to love herself, because I struggled with that for so long. And it's like, it's now my duty as a mom to not only teach her that, but show her that. So it. It was the greatest. She's the greatest gift. I was given it.
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B
I mean, they all are interesting. You're like, they're all great. They're like, they are all my children. But it's interesting hearing that because my husband has the same, like, thought process with having a boy because he's like, I know growing up in a locker room, like, all the talk. I know how coaches spoke to me. I know, like, the pressures that I had. And, like, even competing, he's like, especially him, his dad being in the NFL, like, I don't want to have a son and, like, him have all those pressures and, like, yeah, well, we're in control of that. Like, we can change that, like, narrative and, like, like, let's talk that through. And it's like, you can't really choose the gender of your child. So I'm like, it could happen. So I think now, after having a daughter, he. He's realized, like, okay, like, I think I could. I think I could have a boy. I'm like, well, congratulations, because that was always going to maybe happen.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But it's interesting hearing that. Like, it works on both sides.
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A
It's almost like you get a second chance, which is funny. But, like, everything. My husband and I will have conversations about that. He's like, I feel like, something's coming out in you. Like, we should talk about this because you're really, you know, obsessed with food, with our daughter, whatever. And not in a bad way, but in, like, a whatever way. And it's just like, I feel like, especially with Isaac and the boy situation, it's everything that you thought about, you can't imagine your kid going through. But yet, as a parent, you get to teach them. There's a. There's a reason we went through it all. And instead of regret it and say, like, well, I hope they don't go through it, we actually get to teach them how to deal with it. Which is really cool. And I'm still terrified of doing that. But it is neat to see, like, she is my little twin. And now it's my job to prepare her for everything that I went through, because I'm sure she's going to go through the same stuff.
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B
And speaking of going through some stuff, how were your postpartum experiences?
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A
Wild. It's a roller coaster. Postpartum, were they all very different? Very different. Every single one was completely different, which was shocking. My first one wasn't bad, but I felt like postpartum was the hardest for me, identity wise.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Just to kind of, like, shift into being a mom, not having, you know, it. Your whole life changes.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I will say postpartum, what people don't tend to talk about is actually really hard on husband and wife more than anything.
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B
For sure.
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A
You're all changing identities. You're trying to figure out how to be mom and dad and husband and wife and try to figure out that the changes there. So I feel like postpartum marriage was difficult. Just trying to get into the groove of, like, what our new roles looked like. Second postpartum, I dealt with great. I think I was really lucky, though. I heard people talk about having summer babies as being awful because it's so hot, but I actually loved it and thought it helped a lot because I got to be outside and in a pool and just, like, feeling better, I guess. Yeah, baby. 3. I feel like I had my first taste of postpartum depression. I didn't realize it until I was through it, but it was not easy to navigate. And I remember the way I described it to my husband was I just kept feeling like I needed help in whatever capacity, whether that was from my husband or from a professional. But I knew something was wrong with me. But I felt like there was so much I needed to do in taking care of the infant and the other two kids and just like, the house and, like, life that I didn't know how to ask for help. And it wasn't until I was through it that I was, like, I wasn't myself. And it was. I don't want to say it was scary, but it was. It was a hard thing to navigate because it was so different than the other two.
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B
Yeah, it's very interesting. The. For me, like, my postpartum depression, I felt, like, empty. Like, I didn't, like, really look forward to anything. And everyone automatically assumes are like, okay, so you hate being a mom. Like, no, that was the only part that I was confident in. But I also think, like, the identity shift and just life keeps going, but you're kind of stuck in, like, this newborn, like, identity, like, what's going on? There's, like, so much happening in life, and you're like, can everything pause for a second so, like, we can figure this out and then we can resume? When do you feel like you started feeling, like, a little bit better, more.
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A
Like yourself every day? I feel like it's still. I don't want to say still a challenge, but the identity shift is it takes a long time, and I want to give you hope and not give you the opposite. But I will feel like after three kids, my baby's a year and a half. Knowing that I'm done with kids for a while. It's the first time I've started to feel like myself again. Like, I've really put the effort into me and not focusing on, okay, when. What's the schedule like for when we're going to try to have another one or, like, whatever it is. It's more like I've really been focusing on me. And I think it's because I did hit such a low point after our third, where I lost all resemblance of myself, physically, mentally, everything, that I put such effort into finding me again. And I feel like it's just we as moms, especially postpartum and especially with our firsts, you don't think about that. You think your duty is to take care of a human and to take care of your husband and your job. But what took me three kids to figure out is if you don't take care of yourself before all of it, then you can't be a good mom and you can't be a good wife, and you can't, like, function in life. You have to, like, have your hobbies that are just for you, and you have to figure out what you like. I remember I had someone. It was kind of like a he Was kind of like a counselor, but he was putting us through, like, a workshop, me and my husband. And I remember him asking me, as part of the workshop, we. One of our assignments was to write down all of our hobbies, things that we like to do. And this was after our second kid. I was pregnant with my third, and I broke down crying because I was like, I don't have anything. I can't tell you. He's like, well, what do you mean? Like, do you like to color? And I was like, I don't know.
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B
I don't. Last time I colored, I got the change color.
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A
Do you like hanging out with, Playing whatever it was. And I was like, I literally don't know what I like, because the only thing I've done is been a mom for the past five years. And it just. That's kind of what sent me on this journey of being like, you know what? I have to find me again. And I think it just takes time. It takes slow reps, but, like, reminding yourself that and your husband and, like, the priorities of your schedule that, like, you have to have time every week for yourself to go do whatever you want.
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B
Absolutely. And you shouldn't. When you're. When you're leaving the house and your husband's like, oh, what are you about to go do? Don't ask that question. Like, just let her go and do. Sometimes even just leaving the house and driving around, I was like, wow. Like, okay, I'm in the car by myself. I'm listening to music. Oh, hey, I'm gonna stop and, like, grab something from this bakery. And it allows you just to have free space in your mind, which I'm sure can be hard to find the time to do that with three kids. So how are you making time for yourself with three kids?
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A
We are very, very lucky, my husband and I. We have this routine every Sunday where we sit down, we kind of schedule out the week. And the very first things we do is we go through the mandatory things that we can't change, whether it's school activities or work. But then we each get to choose, like, two or three chunks throughout the week, Whether it's early in the morning or during the day, where we each support each other to have at least a couple hours to go do whatever you want. Andrew can go golf. He can go fly. He's like. He's a pilot. He likes to go fly. We like whatever it is, but there's, like, no questions asked. Like, we get our chunks of time, and then on top of that, we'll do like a date night. And then we try to work in. When do we need a babysitter to fill in if one of us isn't available or if we're both out? But we really try to operate to where we set each other up for success. To say, at the end of this week, are you going to feel empty or are you going to feel like you had a good week for yourself? And we started doing that probably a year ago and it has kind of changed the game for us. Even if Andrew says, I want to go do a 5am workout with the guys. And I'm like, oh, shoot, I scheduled something. Let me see if I can. We, like, make sure we're able to support each other in that. And that's been really, really helpful.
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B
I honestly, I love that I actually might steal that and try and implement that into my life.
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A
You should. We have had people kind of rag on us for it because they're like, isn't your life, like, way too structured? And I'm like, I don't think you understand. After kids, you have to be structured, otherwise everything falls to the gap. And if you don't schedule, like ahead of time, time for yourself, us as moms are going to be like, oh, yeah, you can go out and do this. It's no big deal. Even though in the back of your mind you're like, oh, I was really wanting to go get my nails done right now, right? Or, oh, yeah, I've got, I've got the kids, no worries. But in the back of your mind you're like, oh, I was going to work out. Or like, whatever it is, like, actually put it on a calendar so people know, like, oh, that's reserved for her and I can't touch it.
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B
It's. I mean, everybody has expectations for what they want their week to look like. It's honestly just sitting down and going through both of your expectations and figuring out a happy medium. Because it's true. Like, if I have an expectation that tomorrow morning I'm gonna wake up at 5am and go to like this yoga class I've been wanting to go to. And then my husband's like, oh, actually I have to do this at this time, so you can't go. Then it's just like one person's unhappy. One person feels like the, like a burden or. I don't know, it's complicated. It's. Yeah, a lot. But I, I do love all of my friends that are very type A and have schedules. They seem a little bit happier. I'm Type B. But I'm like, I think that working off a very fluid schedule would be good for me.
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A
I would highly recommend it. And I will say my husband's very type B. So, like, I don't want to, like, sugarcoat this and say, like, the Sunday scheduling is, like, our favorite thing to do. It's his least favorite thing to do. But he does like how he feels at the end of the week when we've both had our times and stuff. So I'm like, I need you to sit down five minutes. We're going to do this. And so it ends up working out. But I will say, even though we like schedule things and we see what our schedule looks like, it is very fluid. Like, it'll move and it'll change, and he can still be very type B. But for me, I'm like, you said this time, that means this time.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So it's. It's always just like a give and take. But it has worked out really well, especially with kids, because they. Kids need schedules.
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B
Yeah, they really do. Well, I have one last question before we jump into some rapid fire Q and A's. My last question is, with having such a busy life with three kids who play sports and this and that, what is next for you and your husband? Like, what is the next thing you guys, like, want to accomplish?
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A
We. Oh, gosh.
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B
I mean, if anything, hear me talking about, like, the hustle culture is so toxic. And I'm like, what's next? You just had three kids, you Olympian. Like, what do you want to do?
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A
I actually didn't even interpret that as hustle culture, so you might like this. We have traveled a lot this summer. We try to spend our summers traveling with our kids. So we have been super crazy and on the road. And what I am looking forward to next is our daughter is starting kindergarten this fall. In about a month, she's going to a big girl school. She's ecstatic, and I am so excited. Our fall is going to be slow, and I just can't wait to, like, I'm gonna bawl my eyes out, but drop her off for her first day of big, big girls school. And she's gonna be in her uniform, and she's like, I. I'm dying at the fact that I have a kindergartner. But also, it just feels like such a huge milestone, and I'm really, really excited for her.
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B
So it sounds like you guys are just excited just, like, for life as parents and just, like, watching your kids grow up. Oh, my God. That's So sad.
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A
I know. It's so, so sad. It just gets better. I don't even know how to. It just gets so much better somehow.
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B
Oh, that's so refreshing to hear from somebody who is, like, a little bit further into her motherhood career. It's. It's nice to hear that. And I feel like it's also refreshing for some of the people listening to this to hear that as well.
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A
Yeah.
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B
All right, well, before we end, let's do some rapid fire questions. So it's gonna be like this or that.
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A
Cool.
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B
Floor routine or beam routine.
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A
Floor you can't fall off.
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B
What the hell? The beam. I'm sorry, who developed that into a sport? Because absolutely no way.
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A
I used to love it, but even watching it, I'm like, I have such a hard time.
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B
No hot yoga or reformer Pilates.
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A
Reformer Pilates.
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B
Sleeveless leotard or with sleeves?
- [66:30]
A
Oh, sleeveless sleeves suck. Really There. It's just like, suffocating. It's just like.
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B
Yeah, I guess I. I feel that cooking family dinner. You or Andrew?
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A
Oh, can I say together?
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B
Yeah.
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A
Otherwise me, I love to cook.
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B
Okay. I'm like, not. Couldn't be me. I'm like. I like to chop things, and that's about it. Which is stronger, mom strength or gymnast strength?
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A
Oh, mom strength. Oh, my gosh.
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B
Cold train, cold plunge or hot tub for recovery?
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A
Hot tub.
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B
Summer I Turned Pretty or Secret life or of the American Teenager?
- [67:11]
A
Oh, gosh. Secret life. Oh, such a cringy show.
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B
It's so cringy. It's so bad, but it's. It was so good. Coaching your kids. Teams or cheering from the sidelines?
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A
Oh, obnoxious cheerleader from the sidelines. Wow.
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B
Is Andrew the same way or is he.
- [67:32]
A
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Neither of us have any interest in coaching. I just want to be my kids most embarrassing, loudest cheerleader ever.
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B
Oh, my God. Well, I love that. And thank you so much for coming on. Where can the people find you on socials?
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A
Thank you for having me and Shawn Johnson or Andrew east anywhere. Yeah, I love that.
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B
All right, well, thank you guys for tuning in and hope you enjoy. Enjoyed. And we'll see you guys next Sunday. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.