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The following podcast is a Dear Media Production.
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What's up, guys? Welcome back to Sunday Sports Club Podcast, a podcast all about sports, except sometimes it's not, and today it's not, because I am about to give birth to a child out of what hole in my body? I don't know. But today we have Kylie Kelsey on the podcast. I'm super excited to talk to her more about motherhood. She's been on once before, and we kind of talked about, like, more football. But this is the stuff that I really want to know, because she is a mom of four. So let's go ahead and jump into it. I just want this to be a chill. I'm going into labor. I've actually had, like, so many Braxton Hicks contractions today, and I'm like, maybe they're not Braxton manifest.
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It's.
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But Isaac also just got in a plane, so I should probably going into labor.
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How many weeks are you? 36. 35.
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36.
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But head down. Look at her being cooperative.
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Yeah. I'm like, maybe she's gonna be too cooperative.
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No, no, they're cooperative for the out. And then they're like, I was nice, and now. Now I'm not.
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Well, Scotty was literally from the very first second. I mean, from 30 weeks on, she's been difficult in the best way. Like, I love her sass, and I
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know that her nickname is Sassy, right?
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Her nickname is literally Sassy, so she
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has to live up to it. You just gave her. You just. You were trying to, like, give her the name that fit her best. Sassy it is.
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It came. I came up with that. Okay, cool. Let's just. Why do I sound swollen? It sounds like every part of being
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kind of like, because you're going into labor. Because Isaac left.
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Isaac also left with our toddler, though. So, like, I have the next four days just, like, alone.
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What are you going to do with your Zo? Where they go?
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In fact, I'm not even want to include that. I'm like, I guess. Well, it doesn't matter because I guess it'll go live after he's back. But Isaac's mom is getting married, and I was like, oh, I'm going to be 36 weeks pregnant. Like, I probably shouldn't travel to that.
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We gotta call it at some point, guys.
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That's cutting it awfully close. And I don't know how I feel about Minnesota being on the birth certificate. No offense to Minnesota, but no, you can't have one daughter in Newport Beach, California, and then the other One in Minnesota.
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Also. I've been to Minnesota in winter, and I don't know how Minnesota is doing right now, but Philadelphia is still very much in winter. I'm gonna tell you right now, there should not be a newborn baby anywhere close to Minnesota in the dead of winter.
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It's like six season. Everyone's sick, everyone's cold. I actually, I think that everybody who lives in a cold climate and has kids actually has a very different parenting experience. Because you have to undress your child every time you put them in the car seat and then redress them.
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Isn't that one of the most effed up. Oh, you guys don't have to do it. We have to do it.
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I've never done that.
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Do you want to know the worst part? Our three year old, I mean, I'm sure she gets it from me. Must be such a rule follower that she's just like, oh, I am going to do exactly what I'm supposed to do when I get in the car seat. So if she, if she chooses to wear a jacket on like a warm day and then gets in the car, and I'm like, girl, that's a light jacket. You can get buckle with that. That's basically a sweatshirt. I'm leaving that on. She's like, no, mom, this has to come off. And when we're getting out of the car, you're going to need to put it back on. And you better zip me too. And I'm like, of course I will zip you with the 27 arms I have. Thank you for that suggestion.
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Like, this would be no problem if you were the one and only.
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Yes. But you are number three. Get with it. Yeah.
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Two ahead and then one behind.
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Yep.
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Actually, the last time we talked was. Well, we've talked at that since, like, we actually literally just saw each other. But the last time you were on my podcast was December 2024. How fresh postpartum were you?
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No, I was pregnant.
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You were pregnant. So you had not even touched the fourth.
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Yes, yes.
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Touched you, but yes,
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yes, because we had our fourth March of 25. She's about to year old March 30th. So, yeah, I was pregnant.
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So how. Okay, what has been the hardest transition? 0 to 1, 1 to 2, 3014 kids.
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And my thing is still 0 to 1. I just think. I just think that your life changes in a way when you have your first child that cannot be explained by anything like it is. And I mean this in the most positive way and also some negative ways. There is a disruption to your life when you have your first child because they are now it. Right. They are your priority. That is it. It is that child. No matter what happens, you now have to plan your travel around it. You bring everything everywhere. You are always. It is always child first.
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That is so refresh like relieving to
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hear did were you. Do you feel. Do you feel as though two is like weighing on you or two is just like, oh, add another person?
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No, it's add, plug and chug.
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Yes.
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Like maybe I'm a little delirious or maybe I'm manifesting, you tell me. But I feel like this is actually going to be so easy and actually it's going to make me like take a step back because I literally going to birth the child and go through postpartum. So I'm like, oh, this is actually going to be easy. Like what I'm doing right now is hard.
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It felt good to have a second. It felt good to have a second because number one, I was like, okay, we've. We officially achieved not having an only child, which I fully respect. People who choose to do that. That was not something I felt re. I felt like having a sibling growing up was really, really important to me and how I became who I am and my relationship with my sister has shaped me for sure. So as soon as we had a second child, there was this relief of like, okay, we don't have an only child, which is so silly.
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I like one. Have you heard the phrase one is chic, two is a lifestyle?
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No, no, but I, I mean, I can see that two. I mean, two. Like, the other thing is having one
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child is harder than two for sure.
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Because, well, the, the difference of that is like, you're having one child is always going to be your first child. So then you're learning everything. You're buying, in our case, five different bassinets because she won't pick one. The second comes along and she sleeps in the. In the little mini crib next to the bed the day that she came home. So like you just. But. But it knocks off this sense of. I swear, I always say, I swear to God, newborns smell fear. They can smell it on you. They're like, you're nervous. I don't know why you're nervous, but now I'm nervous and then everything goes to. And that's what happened with our first. And when our second came, I was like, I've already done the sleepless. I've already done the like sleep deprivation torture that I truly believe is one of the worst forms of torture. And there was just like, all of these initiation moments into motherhood where I'm like, I already did that. So if it happens again, I know I can do it.
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Absolutely. Like, nothing is scary at this point. Like, there's no really unknowns. There is only a known. I would say would be like, a colicky baby. That actually would terrify me.
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I. I will say, I think. I think it's important to note that one of the unknowns is that you don't know them yet. That is a big one, because everyone loves to ask me, and I'm so sorry if you were gonna ask me this ahead of time. Everyone always says to me, you have four kids. Tell me your advice. And I'm like, I actually can't, because my advice won't work for your kids. Like, I always said, like, people are always like, you must really know what you're doing. And I'm like, every single one of my kids is different to a degree that if I gave you advice that was associated with my first, it would not work for my third, and my advice for my second wouldn't work for my fourth. And so if I give you advice on my children, maybe it's like a crapshoot. Something might stick.
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Mm.
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But there's.
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And that is.
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Honestly, that is having our second, that was one of the most exciting things to realize. You realize with your first, like, they're innately themselves.
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Yeah.
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But then you meet your second, and you're like, wow, you guys are completely different human beings. It is one of the most beautiful realizations. Oh, I loved it so much. That was. That's so much fun.
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Yeah. I don't know why I'm picturing just, like, a Scotty junior. Like, I'm just picturing that. The same thing. Nope.
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And she won't be. And it's going to be so cool because then you get to, like, really learn her. And I know that earlier in your pregnancy, you had posted about, like, I don't know if. I don't know if this was public story or private story. So you can block. You can cut me out if you need to, but you posted earlier on something to the effect of, like, having one child. You think to yourself, with your second, how are you supposed to love them the way you love your first? Because it's your first child. The way that they are different only emphasizes the fact that you love them independently. And enough.
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Ooh, I like that.
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It is so. It's so good. Is. Oh, I'm the. The transition from One to two might have been my favorite O. I. I
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mean, you're speaking to the right person right now. As I'm literally like, yeah, maybe I'm going to labor, like, as we speak. Like, it's here right on time.
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We're about to do it. Positive vibes.
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Well, it's funny when people say, like, oh, you have four kids. You must have, like, the best advice for parenting.
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Yes.
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What. What stage of parenting are you. Do you think you're in right now? Do you think you're in, like, survival, thriving, or, like, in between?
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Let me tell you, this is so. This is so niche. This is. I love that I'm. I'm talking to you as if, like, by. This is so. What is the term for when you. The parasocial relationship. I. We just had a virus in our house for I. You. Not almost two weeks. Okay. Now we are. Knock on wood. I'm not gonna. We are, I think, on the other side of it and are. But these are the moments where I'm like, huh? 4kids was a choice. Like, those are the moments where I'm like, I love the chaos. I absolutely love everything else. We are very much in a survival situation because four children, and also not only four children. Four children, two parents with chaotic schedules, a lot of moving on.
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Under what age?
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We have six and under. Our youngest is about to turn one, so we have six, five, three about to be one years old. One year old.
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I.
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We're definitely in survival. But I say survival on, like, the grand scheme, right? Because we're all learning. Our second right now is in a phase of, like, very big feelings. Huge, massive feelings.
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Big thing.
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This morning I looked at my husband and was like, just don't even look at. Don't make eye contact. Don't look at.
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I can't make eye contact with my daughter while she eats or else she'll stop.
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Yes. Don't. Don't do that. That's ridiculous. How dare you look at them in the eyes. My oldest this morning woke up and was like, we're gonna make this morning's chore cleaning the living room. This child is 6 years old. Not one morning of her life has that happened. I was like, I checked the sky. Pigs were not flying. I was like, this is insane. This is so insane. This is insane. Yeah, but she's. I mean, we are definitely in survival, but there are these moments that are just. They're. They're fulfilling enough to. To call it thriving.
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Right?
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But I would say after this virus, surviving barely
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the sickness I'm Sure. With four, too. It's like, oh, it hits one, and then it's just like domino, and you know it. You know, I would have.
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I would have preferred that.
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Oh, we had all happened.
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One on Friday. No, no, we had one on Friday, one the next Wednesday, two on Friday. I was like, can we. Could we just, like, do. Could we get an every other day situation here? What's happening? Yeah. And not. I'm gonna. I'm gonna say this as vaguely as possible because I have anxieties associated with this activity, but you and I would be on the same page about the type of illness we just went through. I'm not gonna say that out loud, but you catch my drift.
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Yep.
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Severe fear. Severe fear. Severe fear. I'm using the word fear, and I mean it intentionally. Fear.
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That's why it's. That fear is why I was scared to get pregnant.
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Yeah. I. Yep. You should. You should see me in labor. The minute I'm like, huh, Is that. Can I get some Zofran?
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Zofan? I. I don't know if I'm allowed to say this. Zofran is my favorite drug. I called my doctor just, like, every once in a while, I'm just like. I feel a tickle in my throat. Like, can you just write me a prescription?
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I think that is the. One of the most beautiful relationships I've ever heard. I.
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That. You should have seen me my first C section. I heard that people throw up sometimes. Sorry. I should said the word.
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You can say that. No, you can say it. I can't. It's a whole thing. Yep. Look at me. We're. How long into this? I'm still doing my makeup. Go ahead.
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I. I heard that sometime some people often throw up during C sections, which, in my head, I'm like, how does that work?
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Difficult.
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If you're numb from the chest down, that feels like.
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Stomach should be hanging out. She should be.
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She should be chilling. Like, can you just hold on to my. Like, you're already inside of my body. Can we hold on to my stomach so that it doesn't come up? But I. The relationship I had with my anesthesiologist, because he's the one up by your head. He's pushing all the good stuff. I. I look at him, and I was like, I have a fear that I'm going to get sick. Push the Zofran. Push it. He literally, I. They're pushing on my stomach, trying to push my daughter out of my ribs. And he's like, hey, by the way, I just Pushed some more Zofran. I go, thank you. That was the best moment of my life.
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You're like, I could kiss you on the mouth right now. Isaac, hurry up. Kiss him on the mouth.
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And it's crazy because I thought, oh, like, when I become a parent, surely that phobia will go away.
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Like, no, that was cute. No, that was.
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My daughter got sick for the first time. And the way that I was closing my eyes while rubbing her back, and Isaac's the one with, like, catching everything.
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And I tell you. I'll tell you this.
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That was, like, the hardest part of parenting this far.
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Parenting through my phobia. Let me tell you, r. The first one that got hit. She's our sweetest child. She is just, like, to her core, sweet. Like, one day down the road, she's gonna be in trouble because she will be the child who, like, her friends will say, hey, we're gonna go out and do this dangerous thing. And she's gonna be like, well. And they're gonna be like, but it's fun. And she's like, okay, if it's fun. Like, she just can't help herself. Okay. She's sweet as can be. And in the middle of going, right. She's in the middle of it. I'm telling her how sorry I am that she's feeling sick. And I must have had a tone where, I shit you not, this child is mid go looking me in the eyes like, why the fuck are you so sad? And I was like, yep. She ain't gonna talk about me in therapy. She will, and I'm okay with it. It's fine. It's okay.
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It'll make her funny.
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Like, I. She is. I think she's one. I think she might be our funniest job. Yeah, it's. I feel bad. I felt really bad about that one. Yeah.
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I. The parenting while sick, and I. I heard the rumors before I had kids is. It's crazy. I have to say that. Plural S. Now it's crazy, though, that I'm like, oh, I'm not getting used to that. She's a potato for a few months, so doesn't count. But I heard that, like, oh, kids are always sick, especially around school age. And I'm like, my daughter's not even in school, and I feel like it's a revolving door of, like, just welcoming.
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Yes. It's kind of trash. Honestly, I think that we should all do better about keeping our sick kids home and washing our hands. How do I. Where do we put a billboard up for that? Wash your hands. That's what I want to tell people.
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Easy with the spray.
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I mean, all of it.
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Any of it.
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I. Yeah, bring back masks. Like, honest. Don't get me started. I just went. We just went to the Olympics and my husband is not a germaphobe, which is how we. One of the many ways we balance each other. And I'm on this flight and I get in this plane and right before they suction that door shut, I was like, masked up and my husband turns around and he's like. And I was like, don't look back here. You look forward. Nobody's talking to you. Don't even look back. Yeah, I'm like cloroxing my entire seat. I like it. It brings me. It's helpful. Okay. It's not harmful. Leave me alone. Don't. Yeah, and I'm gonna mask. You know what a plane is? A tin. A tin can of breath. That's what I believe it is. And I'm not breathing yours. Thank you.
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Especially yours, actually, especially my husband's, when
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I've seen what he touches.
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Well, because. Yeah, I saw you at super bowl and then we talked about how you were going home for a week and then you went to the Olympics.
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You went straight through, didn't you?
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Yes. And I think that that set me, like, I. I didn't think it was going to send me over the edge, but I got home. In fact, I realized I lost my shit in this exact moment when we're. We went to Super bowl for six days, then we went to Italy for another six days. And then we're sitting on the tarmac for three hours, about to go on our 15 hour flight back to LA, and we're sitting for three hours, in addition to the 15 hours that we're about to fly. And I look over at my husband and I said, when we get home, I'm done. I'm done.
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Isn't that funny how you just have like a breaking point where you're like, this is it. This is the moment. The universe wanted me to feel this.
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It wanted me to and I felt it. And I never hope to touch that ever again. Because I think that. I think that I almost like, I hate how people are like, oh, you're pregnant. Like, you should really take it easy. I'm like, don't tell me what to do. I don't like being told what to do. I don't like people thinking I'm weak because I'm pregnant, but I am. In that moment. I was like, I'm tired and it is because I am pregnant. I am with child. And I was like, wow, I'm kind of eating my words a little bit. Trying to prove people wrong, right?
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No, I think that that is. And I'm sure you feel it now, especially because you are towards the end of your pregnancy, and it's very, like, I would guess, obvious. Yeah, Right. Today's the day. Probably obvious that you are pregnant to people to a degree where people are now like, oh, let me get that for you. Oh, let me carry that. Oh, let me do this. Oh, let me do that. When people would tell me while I was pregnant in all four of my pregnancies, oh, you. You shouldn't be doing that. I'm like, you should back up before I punch you. You should back off. Because I actually. Now I'm pissed, and now I want to do it even more.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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I'm not broken. I'm pregnant.
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As a mom, it is really easy to put yourself last, especially when you have a family, a husband, two kids, two dogs, a cat. I just feel like myself kind of trickles towards the bottom. But something I've quickly come to realize is that is a very important to fill up your cup, because you can't pour into others if your cup isn't full. And last year, before I got pregnant, I decided to pour into myself as much as possible because I wanted to go into pregnancy feeling good, but also I just wanted to feel good, to feel good. So I decided to dive a little bit deeper into my health. And with that came getting labs done, getting blood work done and figuring out my hormones and just, like, kind of knowing myself after having a baby and before having another baby. Because take. Because having a baby will do a lot to your body and to your hormones, and it's just good to have a baseline for, like, where you're at. So I went to LabCorp, and I got a full plant panel of blood done. I don't even want to say the B word. I got a full panel done, and it was just really insightful to know, like, where I needed to see some room for improvement, where I was doing good, where I was not doing so good. And without that panel, I just feel like I would have went into pregnancy just, like, gung ho, like, not even changing up my lifestyle or doing anything differently. And I think everybody should do it. It should be as routine as, like, going to the dentist or getting your hair done. I think knowing, like, what's on the inside and what's happening inside your body is just as important because again, you can't pour from an empty cup. And you want to feel good as much as you look good, right? And that starts from within. So I'm really excited to be partnering up with LabCorp because that's where I got done all of my lab work and still go to lab court to this day. I went to them throughout my entire pregnancy whenever I needed lab work done. I got really close with one of the. I don't know what to call her, the one of the nurses that takes your blood because she was super painless and she always knew how to distract me. And I would request a certain room. I have, like, the aviso vagal response. But I know it's so important to get it done. Well, you have to get it done while you're pregnant, but I know it's so important to get it done also, like, selfishly, just to know your body and know yourself a little bit more. I loved using LabCore back then. I'm really excited to use it once I stopped breastfeeding it just to get my health back on track and to keep investing in myself. And I think all of you women, all of you men, everybody should do the exact same because again, it's like, why would I go and get my hair done every eight to 10 weeks and, like, never look at what's happening inside my body? So you can go on their website and purchase tests. You can figure out, like, what you want to know more about, and they'll help guide you on what test to take. LabCorp on Demand is an easy and convenient way to get clear data on your health. Just visit the website and choose from a suite of more than 100 health tests ranging from micronutrient and hormones to sexual health and fertility. Then visit the lab core location closest to you to get tested. Within days, you'll receive results that are accurate, easy to understand, and coming from a lab doctors trust. To get started, visit OnDemand.LabCorp.com sundae and use code Sunday to save up to 15% on select tests. Visit OnDemand.LabCorp.com Sundae and use code Sunday to save UP to 15% on select tests. Know yourself. Getting my bag off of the conveyor belt. When Isaac was playing for the Raiders, I. I traveled from Orange county to Las Vegas, and this man was like, don't. Don't lift that. Don't lift that. I got. I got it when your bag comes and I went around to the other side of the conveyor belt, and I was like, I'm Gonna lift my own bag, even if it gives me a freaking hernia because it breaks my water. Like, if it breaks, hopefully it breaks my water.
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Yes, that. That would drive me. Absolutely. That used to drive me nuts. I just couldn't stand. It's the same way as, like, unsolicited mom advice. Like, when people see you out with your kid and they're like, they should have a hat on, I'm like, you should mind your business.
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I'm like, yeah, she had socks on when we left the house. I don't know where the they are. You go find them.
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Yeah, she should have socks on. That's great. Do you have any? Because the three pairs I brought with me she already chucked, so you do with that what you will. We had one child. I literally called her shoe Deenie. We would lose a shoe everywhere we went. And I was like, I've had enough. I'm not putting you in shoes anymore. Shoes. You wear socks now, and that's it. And the one person was like, oh. And I was like, no, no. Nobody needs it. I don't need it. You don't need it. You don't need this heat. Stay out of my kitchen.
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I'm good grounding, actually. I gave.
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Right. We enjoy touching the earth and getting energy. Thank you.
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No, with four kids, I feel like you have to get, like, crazy comments. Right? Like, of course. The traditional. Like, oh, someone's got their hands full. You're like, okay, yes.
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Thank you so much for noticing.
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What. What is something or a comment somebody has made that you're like, I'm gonna punch you in the face.
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Oh, well, sometimes I have the. Just this, like, underlying anger when people want to give unsolicited advice. So most comments that are unwelcome advice end up with me feeling like I could fix this really quick with a punch in the face. I don't. I really. I think it's just always. I think it's. I think it's people offering that advice that's not helpful. Right. It's like the unproductive. It is the socks. It is the hat. It is. They shouldn't be out in this weather or things like that where you're just like, actually, we're going from the car 10 steps into this Dunkin Donuts so I can get what call what mom calls sanity juice, AKA a coffee. I need you to get so far away from me that you're actually in a different zip code. It's things like that. Or, like, honestly. And I really do my best not to be this person, because I think sometimes it's meant in a light hearted way and it doesn't land that way. But the just wait comments. Oh, are really hard. They're hard when you've been through that phase of motherhood and someone else is going through it. Because again, sometimes it's meant in a light hearted way. But being a mom who has felt pretty much every phase at this point of joy, the pits. Postpartum experience. There are times to make jokes with a mom and sometimes you don't hit it. And I, I really do my best to not do like the. Just wait in a negative way. Just wait until this sleep regression. Just wait until they're teething. Just wait until that. So when people say that to me, I think it hits my eardrum in a sharp way.
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B
You're also like, I have four kids. Like, you think I don't know, like, what's happening next.
- [30:04]
A
Been there, done that. But yeah, I think, I think the just weight comments are hard. I think, I think that I try to give people as much grace as I can muster up at the time, but they're hard.
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B
How do you do you still get the comment like, oh, like he never got his boy all the time.
- [30:29]
A
Literally all the time. Then I, I recently made the comment that the people who ask whether or not Wyatt, our oldest's name, is a family name because they can't fathom that we chose Wyatt for a girl out of the universe, out of the spectrum of names that we could have chosen for a girl. Those people and the people who say, are you going to try for a boy? They're usually a Venn diagram. Their Venn diagram is a circle. And I, because it's this older generation of like, that's the only way to feel fulfilled. You, you wouldn't choose a boy name for a girl because you thought it was a nice name and you thought it was powerful and that she would be a boss and that people would answer her emails faster. You had to have done that because it was a fan. You had to have done that because it was a family name. Okay, whatever helps you sleep at night, Susan. That's fine.
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B
Susan. Of all the names, Susan. No offense to anybody naming their kids
- [31:35]
A
Susan, but yeah, has to be like
- [31:37]
B
a not common name these days. Yep.
- [31:41]
A
Yeah, it's. People are so. Honestly, it gets to a point where I'm like, it's a little weird how bothered you are by us not having a boy. And also that you can't. Not me, you can't sit comfortably in the idea that we are at peace and comfortable in our all girl household.
- [32:08]
B
And I love that. I, if you, if you did have a boy, what would you name him?
- [32:15]
A
Oh, that's such a good question.
- [32:17]
B
I hate boy names. I think boy names are really hard. I've tried coming up with boy names. I actually planned, if this was a boy, to go into the hospital with three boy names knowing that each sucked a little bit and I was gonna pick the one that just like sucked the least and looked like him.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because I don't like boy names that much.
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A
It's funny because I think that having four girls who have names that could be boy names end up. They put us in a little bit of an odd situation. I do. I, we've had, we have some names. The problem is, is like some of the names and I feel like we even talked about this. But when you are naming a child, it's one thing that you have all of the people that you've met in your life. It's a completely different issue that your husband has all the people that he's met in his life. So then you are. It's so many people. I don't even know that we have a boy name selected because we've found out the gender every single time. And I will say both of our dads now. Let me finish this thought before you freak out. To be clear, both of our dads are Edwards. So I think it would be very simple to have a middle name of Edward. Middle. Emphasis on middle. Aggressively. Middle. Middle. Middle. I cannot say middle enough. Not the first middle.
- [33:49]
B
I was like, we got some girl names that are super cute and trendy, and then we got Edward. Edward.
- [33:55]
A
Little Eddie. No, aggressively. No. I do think we would be able to middle name it with Edward, but other than that, I don't think we ever had a first name figured out for our first before we knew what we were having, why it was meant to be either a boy or a girl, no matter what we were having. So. But we use that, so. And I think, I think that that was a sign that we didn't need to have a boy name after that.
- [34:27]
B
Yeah, exactly. Like this could work for a boy or a girl. I've actually known a few people that have gone into birth with one name, whether it's going to be a boy or girl. And I've always found that a little unique.
- [34:40]
A
I, I, I mean, we just really liked the name. And my husband has since, like, since we had Wyatt and named her Wyatt. He has gone on to explain, like, one of his favorite things is asking the question why? And that kids do it all the time. And so the fact that her Nick is very, like, special to him. But we just really. I know we just really loved the name. So, like, either way, we were good with it. But yeah, it is so funny. And I. I do. Like, I know you post about Isaac getting really excited that you guys are having girls. Do you ever get comments, like, in your DMs and stuff that, like, he's faking it or he doesn't actually mean it or he still wants a boy? Because I feel like you have to be fielding the same comments we do.
- [35:24]
B
Absolutely. And I think it was. It was shortly after we announced that we were having our second girl that people were like, oh, like, are you gonna go for a third? Then I'm like, if we go for a third, it would. It wouldn't be because we have, like, a gender preference. In fact, now I would only.
- [35:40]
A
Speaking.
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B
I would only say this now knowing that we have a girl. Had we had a boy, I would never make this information public. We wanted a girl. Like, we went into us finding out for our second talking in the car being like, if it's a boy, we can still have.
- [36:00]
A
That's okay. If it's a boy, it's gonna be okay.
- [36:05]
B
Like, I would have been a little disappointed just because I had grown up with a sister. And Isaac loves, like, he. He just loves the idea of, like, girl dad right now, third, I'm like, actually, okay, 50, 50. Like, if we had a third boy or girl, I actually would be okay either way. But second, I definitely had, like, a preference. And so when people are like, oh, you can always try for the third. I'm like, we might not now. Now that we have two girls, we might not.
- [36:37]
A
Yes, it is crazy, too. I think there's so people who say that specifically, I think they've forgotten. Like, especially women who have had kids themselves. I think they've forgotten everything that goes into having kids. Like, the idea of looking at someone who is currently pregnant with their second child and saying, like, well, you can always try for a third is like, okay, well, like, I still have to get through this birthday. Not every birth is positive, negative. Like, you don't know what. Where it's going to take you. You don't know how they're going to be as a newborn. You don't know what your postpartum experience is going to be. And not to be doom and gloom on, you know, the day you're going into labor. But. But, like, My point is, is, like, I've met people who wanted to have kids quickly, and they had their first child and had such a traumatic birth or a difficult postpartum season that they were like, you know what? I'll decide when they're three, or I'll decide when they're five if I'm gonna have another kid. And so to look at someone and be like, oh, so you can always try for another third. You can always try for a third. Like, you could always kiss my ass. That's another option. It's crazy. It is so crazy to think that people are out here, like, planning your life for you and to fulfill what their own need.
- [38:02]
B
Well, that. And I think that's also goes hand in hand with, like, gender disappointment. If you see somebody like, oh, like, I wanted a boy, but, like, we're having a girl, it's like, that doesn't affect your life. And like, also, gender disappointment doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna hate your kid. It's like, oh, like, I've talked about
- [38:22]
A
publicly that when we found out that our second was a girl, I cried for 30 minutes straight. 30 minutes he's been crying.
- [38:30]
B
Having kids.
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A
Guess what the I ended up with. That's my. The second is the one who I said is, like, the sweetest per. Like the sweet. One of the sweetest people I've ever met in my life. That's what I got. That's what I cried for 30 minutes. And that's the child that I got. And how silly is that? And like, that was balance, right? That was a correction of, like, hey, I had that moment of gender disappointment. And really, it was me knowing that, like, statistically speaking, after having two kids of the same gender, you're more likely to continue having the same gender. And each time consecutively, your chances raise to continue having the same gender. And I have always thought to myself, nothing. The funny thing is, like, it's not to make sure that my ex NFL player husband has a boy, a son to raise in the his foot. Like, it's nothing having to do with that. Yes, you. He can play. He literally plays catch with our girls. Leave us alone. This. The other side of that is. Is, like, this. It was a me thing.
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B
I.
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A
And I've even come to terms with, once we had our fourth, the idea of, like, we've tossed around another kid a long time ago. Like, I've always said I wanted four kids, room for one pleasant surprise. In other words, like, maybe five kids. I don't. Right now. I'm not In a space to even come close to that decision. But what I know is, is when we had our fourth, I did have this moment of grieving where I was like, there is a very likely situation where I do not get to meet a mini version of my husband. So it had nothing to do with like fulfilling this prophecy of like giving him a son. It was like, yeah, it was like this moment of like, oh, I don't get to meet a mini him. Like, we don't. We don't get to meet whoever that person would be. And that's okay. Like, it's, it's okay. Like, it doesn't make me love my daughters less. It doesn't make me less excited that I have four daughters. I love that I have four daughters at this point. If we had had three girls and one boy, I would have been like, is he gonna be okay?
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B
Isaac actually talks about that all the time.
- [40:49]
A
Really? Like, what does that even look? And like, you get what you get, right? Like, it. That's. That's the, that's the pregnancy journey and the family building journey that we've had thus far is like, you get what you get. And so I'm not. There are degrees of like a disappointment here for 30 minute cry and all that stuff. But like, you get what you get and you, when you meet them, you're like, that was the dumbest thing I could have ever thought.
- [41:18]
B
Absolutely. In fact, one of my close friends, like, wanted a girl really bad and she was having her third kid and she was like, I'm done after this. And she was like, I'm going to wait until birth to find out if it's a boy or girl. She had two boys and she was like, I really want a girl. And she was like, I'm going to wait until birth because there's no way I can have gender disappointment when I meet my baby for the first time. And then she ended up looking because she was like, I actually don't want to go through that. I don't want to even have the slightest chance that I might be disappointed. And she had her third boy and she was like. And I cried and I had my day. And then on his birthday, I was ecstatic and I was excited to meet him because I was getting a newborn. And I thought that was hilarious because I was like, oh, I would need to know because the chance you like knowing.
- [42:08]
A
I love knowing who they are. Like, I love. No knowing, like being able to refer to them as them in there. And also I am impatient in that way. I. I Wish I could. My friend literally just had her second. It's the second time that she's gone all the way through pregnancy and didn't find out. And I am the friend that's like, just give me your obese number. I'll talk to him real quick. I won't even tell you. I won't even tell you. I'll keep green.
- [42:32]
B
They're like, oh, it's the biggest surprise. I'm like, it's still a surprise if I look earlier.
- [42:36]
A
Yes, it's a surprise. And quite honestly, labor has enough. There's enough going on.
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B
Yeah, there's enough surprises.
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A
It's enough. I don't need anything else.
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B
Like, I.
- [42:54]
A
Actually, when you had Scotty, you pushed.
- [42:58]
B
No, because she was.
- [42:59]
A
You didn't put. You were a sky. Oh, that's right, that's right, that's right. Okay, that's.
- [43:03]
B
So this is a whole new experience. Like, even having. Because, like, she was so not in my pelvis. Yeah, that, like, her head was in my ribs and I didn't even have any Braxton Hicks contractions. I never.
- [43:16]
A
So what are you doing to prepare me saying that fully as a per. Okay, I was gonna say don't feel bad, me being the person that literally, I think I could count on one hand for all four births. What I did. And that means, like, action. Not like, oh, I did this this many times. I did this this many times. No, I did this, this, this, this, and this. That's it.
- [43:43]
B
I'm. And I would say I'm very, very type B, but with the. Like, my doctor has made comments like, oh, like we might. We should maybe just do another C section if it's going to be a 10 pound baby, like your first. And I'm like, I like proving people wrong, unfortunately. And I'm a big girl myself. 5 11. I have been told I have birthing hips and I would like to see if I do so when I tell you Universal. This is raspberry leaf tea.
- [44:14]
A
Of course, very much. What's in it, though? What did you put in it? Is it. Don't tell me that's just raspberry leaf tea.
- [44:21]
B
No, I made it into an Arnold Palmer and it.
- [44:23]
A
Thank you so much because I swear to God, I. If you don't know what I'm talking about when I say this, I'm sorry. Someone is going to know what I'm talking about. And that's enough for me. Raspberry leaf tea tastes like the inside of your grandmother's spice cabinet smelled.
- [44:41]
B
Isaac said it tastes Like a cigar, but wet.
- [44:44]
A
I had to put. I'm not joking. One cup. This is one of my. This is one of my fingers. One cup of raspberry. I think I put a whole lemon in and then watered it down and then put sugar in. I was like, how are people drinking this? And then I got to, like, halfway through the cup and was like, you know what? My uterus is strong enough.
- [45:10]
B
We don't need to ripen it.
- [45:12]
A
And that was it. And that was literally it.
- [45:15]
B
I just. I said this on my close friends, which maybe you saw it, maybe you didn't. I feel like my vagina is a Tamagotchi because they're like, do these stretches bounce on the ball? Stretch it this way. I'm like, whoa. I feel like a science project.
- [45:34]
A
Yes. The. When people start talking to you about the. What is it? Perinatal. No.
- [45:40]
B
Yeah, Perine.
- [45:41]
A
Peral. Yeah, perineal massages. And then you start looking it up. This is another one of the fingers, by the way. Pun intended. And like, it's like, you can use this, you can use that, you can use coconut oil. I was like, what are we preparing for a slip and slide? What do you. What is happening? I genuinely was like, no one. And done. I'm good. I literally. One time, and I was like, and we're good. I think that's enough.
- [46:17]
B
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- [47:43]
A
that you insert?
- [47:44]
B
Yes. I'm like, I thought like, oh, get, get primrose oil. And I'm like, oh, how many do I take? They're like, no, you insert. And I was like. And they're like, put it close to your cervix. I don't want to touch my cervix.
- [48:02]
A
Wait, that was another finger. Because let me tell you, I bought it, thought I was ingesting it, looked it up the same. Same way. Looked it up, was like, okay, I got my primrose oil. What am I doing? And it was like, insert. And I was like, no,
- [48:19]
B
can I return these?
- [48:20]
A
Like, literally. I was like, now what do I do with them? Alternative uses for primrose oil. No. Nope.
- [48:28]
B
Like, poke a hole in it and then. I'm sorry, no.
- [48:33]
A
What, do I have a yeast infection? You want me to put one of those little eggies up there? No, no, no. And then aggressively. No. The dates.
- [48:43]
B
I looked up the amount of sugar in six dates. Are you trying to put me into a diabetic coma?
- [48:50]
A
You're literally going down my list of I dates. Let me go over this. I ate dates one time the night before. I was induced because I went to an a restaurant in Philadelphia, and the lovely chef Michael Samanov had made the. Was making them for his wife at home and was like, we knew you were pregnant. And I was like, mike, I'm giving birth tomorrow. And he was like, well, here's some dates. And I was like, perfect. They were delicious. That's all I cared about. I didn't care that they were helping anything.
- [49:20]
B
No, they are delicious. But six is diabolical.
- [49:26]
A
I didn't know you have to have six that you gotta draw the line somewhere, guys. At some point, what's going to happen is going to happen.
- [49:37]
B
I'm just.
- [49:38]
A
Don't you just have to release it? Don't you just got to be like,
- [49:42]
B
okay, well, and then the, the last and final thing that everybody recommends. Get. The baby's gonna come out the same way. It got in there. And I'm like, oh, I, I that a lot. No, I am sharing my husband's clothes right now. I'm sorry, but are we. Are we talking every day?
- [50:08]
A
Oh, you want to know the worst part? When they say that you. It's going to end the way it started. They don't just mean the act. They mean what I would refer to while trying to get pregnant as. Let's call it marinating.
- [50:25]
B
You're welcome for that because.
- [50:29]
A
Yes, that's literally what it is. That's it. It's not even the act, which you would think that it's the act that would disturb the cervix. It is not. It is not the act.
- [50:39]
B
I think it would disturb the baby. Like.
- [50:41]
A
No. Well, there.
- [50:43]
B
There have been.
- [50:44]
A
There have been. I will tell you, some ways of going about it are better than others. Yeah. Yeah. Any pregnant woman who gets to like the 39 week block and you're still trying to convince that baby to come out come hell or high water, you're like, yeah, that You're. That's not gonna work. They're gonna come out concussed. You need to stop.
- [51:13]
B
I saw that. I saw how her head was so far into my pelvis. I'm like, no, that's like, isn't that crazy?
- [51:23]
A
I will say it's validating because. How much, how much do you feel at some point? With our first. I always joked around, her hands were always on her face. When every single ultrasound, her hands were up here. She. At some point, very late in my pregnancy, maybe like 38 weeks, I kept saying, I can feel her hands moving. And my husband was like, that's not even a thing. Right. I think it. It was like 36 weeks. Maybe we've been in for a size scan or something like that. And she had her hands up here and when her fingers were going like this, I. You notice I could feel it so far into my pelvis that I was like, it feels like she is about to stick a finger out and wave. It was this. The sensations are something that you cannot explain to someone who hasn't felt them.
- [52:23]
B
Isaac gets nauseous and I think it is the funniest shit ever. So I will literally grab his hand while he is falling asleep and I'll put it on my stomach and. And she. She has like. She's like curved around so there's a foot indent permanently on my stomach. And he'll feel like, literally the toes. And he's like. And I'm like, how do you think I feel? Put your hand back there. How do you think I feel?
- [52:49]
A
I can feel that from the inside. Imagine that. It's.
- [52:54]
B
It's the wild alien.
- [52:56]
A
Like, people used to get so disturbed with the fact that I would call it. It felt like an alien. And they'd Be like, that is a. A baby. And I'm like, no, but it is moving around in me like I am its cocoon. Okay? And it is weird whether you like it or not.
- [53:14]
B
And it's during, like. Like, times that I'm like, okay, can we not do it? Like, we're trying to get the baby out and she's moving. I'm like, this is always. We're gonna need to halt this because
- [53:25]
A
this feels like, hey, she's actually awake. Feels weird that she's here for this.
- [53:31]
B
We'll wait until all of our kids are asleep for this one. Were you had all like, oh, my God. Isaac called it not. He. He said a normal birth. I was like, oh, you're gonna get canceled for that one, buddy. You had all vaginal births, correct?
- [53:50]
A
Yes, I did. All induced. All vaginal.
- [53:55]
B
Did you. Do you have any tips? I know you tried your five.
- [54:00]
A
Yes. Let me think. Okay. My. My number one tip is to trust your labor and delivery nurse. They do. They go. They labor with so many people. My sister actually talks about with her first that she had a really difficult time. He was sort of stuck. And the doctors came in and were sort of like, hey, we think maybe a C section. And her nurse actually was like an older nurse. Not old, but older and more experienced. And she actually advocated for my sister because she knew my sister really wanted to try everything in her power to have a vaginal birth. And her nurse advocated for her to be like, hey, I think we still have three positions that we could try. If you give us five, 45 minutes, and she can maneuver in the way that she needs to, then I think that maybe we can get this baby out vaginally. And they were able to do that. My nurses, personally have been incredible. And they're like the best coaches. They know exactly what could happen, what's going to happen. They can explain it to you if you ask. Like, if you're the person that wants to be informed, they'll explain everything to you. And they've seen. I cannot emphasize enough. They've seen so many labors. And I say labor specifically because they're there for all of the laboring.
- [55:25]
B
Right.
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A
And I feel like that's really important. Also a fat epidural in your back. I'm a big advocate for just. I want to be numb from my nipples to my toes.
- [55:38]
B
I would say I'm scrunchy, whatever that means. Like, there are things that I'm like, a little crunchy mom about the second I get to the hospital, give me the drugs I don't. I don't go to the dentist and get a tooth pulled without a little numbing shot and a little laughing gas. In fact, I'm requesting the laughing gas if I'm not getting a tooth pulled. Yes.
- [55:59]
A
Hey, can we make it a light afternoon? Yes.
- [56:03]
B
I got an hour to kill, like. Yes.
- [56:07]
A
I. I just feel like I've said it a million times, but I mean it wholeheartedly. You've built a human being and they are about to exit a tunnel that is not necessarily human sized. You know what I mean? So although our bodies are built to do it, why not give yourself the most, I don't know, enjoyable experience?
- [56:40]
B
I was gonna say really leg up, like. And yes. Oh, yeah.
- [56:46]
A
Now full up. Did you. You got an epidural for your C section.
- [56:53]
B
It's like a spinal tab, so I
- [56:55]
A
wonder if it's not the same. Right? I would think. I would think if you are having a scheduled C section, that it wouldn't be the same epidural. Right. Look at us. I have no medical.
- [57:12]
B
Let's compare bento.
- [57:14]
A
Let's check our medical notes on this.
- [57:15]
B
Something in my back. And it felt like a bee sting. And then that was it. Is that the same?
- [57:22]
A
I. I describe getting an epidural as a bee sting. I say that the lidocaine hurts the worst. I will say my last epidural experience was kind of trash, but that's one out of four, so that's not that bad.
- [57:35]
B
Yeah. And this is my first time, so I have good odds.
- [57:39]
A
Great odds.
- [57:40]
B
I have been a little scared of
- [57:41]
A
that, though, being tall. Well, you don't like needles. Correct.
- [57:46]
B
I don't like getting my blood drawn. I don't mind needles. Oh. Things going in doesn't bother me. It's things coming out.
- [57:54]
A
Delightful. You'll actually be fine.
- [57:58]
B
The only thing that scares me, you're contracting, though. Like, you're in pain while they're.
- [58:04]
A
So this is. Thank you so much for bringing this up because this is another thing that I do have a strong opinion on advice about. I looked it up ahead of time because I am the person. I want all of the information. I want actually the worst case scenario that could happen. So that when that doesn't happen, I'm like, we made out like a thief. Okay. You get on the edge of the bed. You scoot your butt all the way back to the edge of the bed where the anesthesiologist tells you to, and you sit butterfly. Specifically butterfly. They'll ask you to sit, like, crisscross applesauce. Or they'll ask you to just dangle your legs over the edge of the bed. I saw ahead of time. You get sort of a better curve to your spine and stretch. If you sit, butterfly so feet bottom of your feet together, knees out to the side, and then you roll yourself over your belly. So, like, head hanging, roll yourself over top of your belly. If you need to put a pillow against your chest to sort of hug into, you can do that. But I found that that opened up my spine in a way that gave the anesthesiologist their best chance to get in there.
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B
And it worked on both sides.
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A
So here's the thing.
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B
Oh, God.
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A
Your nurse. This is where your. This is where your labor and delivery nurse comes in. Can watch your monitor to tell the anesthesiologist when an, when a contraction is coming so that they can hold. So that they're not trying to go in while you are having a contraction. That while you're coming out of the contraction, they can then start the action so that they have that full minute to two minute window depending on how far apart your contractions are at that point. That is very helpful because it just allows you to maintain that stretch and your positioning and not necessarily screw yourself for setting them up for failure.
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B
There has to be an easier way.
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A
Yeah, inserting it vaginally. They're just with the primrose oil.
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B
I'm just like, there has to be an easier way. And they're like, oh, yeah, Like C section. Like, oh, yeah, never mind.
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A
Do you know what will lead. Do you know what will lead to a C section? Like, are you just. Are you just going with the flow, hoping for a V back and then see what happens?
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B
Or okay, but like, at the first sign of like, like, I want to avoid an emergency C section, so I get the first sign of, like, my nurse doctor, which my doctor is very probate pro V back. He's like, known in the state of California as, like, being his. I think his success rate is, like, really high. So we love him. And it's a man, which is crazy. But, like, I love him because I'm like, he doesn't count, like, my feelings. He's. He's very, I don't know, forward. He's a California character. How else do you describe him? But I feel like at the first sign of like, like your hip or something, I'm like, okay, let's just go in. Let's just open the hatch. It's been opened before.
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A
Yes.
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B
And that's it. But I'm Going to try. I want to try.
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A
I think you got it. I will say, is there going to come a point where you. You went. Okay, maybe this is what I was thinking of. Not me recalling all of your birth story. You went into labor the day you were supposed to be.
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B
Yes.
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A
In for your C section, though. So you're prepared to go into labor.
- [61:38]
B
Yes. Like I'm fully. And if I don't, I'm fully. Like, we're inducing at 39 weeks because there is no shot that I'm letting that baby touch 10 pounds.
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A
There is no coming from someone who, after my first child, and it being what we'll call an unproblematic birth, I was then cleared to schedule an induction at 39 weeks every single other time. You're damn right I did. Yes, I did. And having like mid to top range, 8 pound babies was enough for you to validate. Like, you don't have to validate that to anybody. You do what you need to do. I. I will say, if you do end up inducing, I'm going to tell you my timeline here. I show up to the hospital. I. I get whatever. I get my IV so that I can make sure that I can get that Zofran whenever I need it, because that hits wick. And then you get your ptocin and you get it moving and you start contracting and I stand up laboring, because that feels way better than laying in a bed and just letting the pain crash over you like waves. And you sit and bounce on the ball. And here's the key. This is my key. Always. Every single time. I don't know if I've ever said this publicly. My key was always go in labor for a little while. Do 15 minute intervals. Can I make it another 15 minutes? Yes, I can. Until I. I want to go to the bathroom on the toilet. That's what I want to do. Okay. I want one last poop. That's what I want. And then get that fat needle in my back. I'm not getting out of bed until this baby's out of my uterus. And that's what I do now. Have I? Have I during labor? I couldn't tell you. I'm fairly certain that my entire team of doctors and my husband would lie straight to my face. But from what I know, I have not. And for some reason, that's a badge of honor.
- [63:40]
B
I have a bad. Which I've made this public, which I probably shouldn't have, but I did not for 10 days after I gave birth last time. Yes, the chances that I poop on the table are low because the. The chances I poop in general are low.
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A
Oh, my God.
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B
If I do, it's almost like I want.
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A
That is a badge of honor. Yeah, that is a badge of honor. Got it. Okay. We're reverse.
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B
As long as it doesn't get on her, we're good.
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A
And it won't because they are effing professionals. I. I really. God, I love you. You love your ob? Because I have a love affair with my obs that I can't even explain. I just love them so much. I really do. Gosh, three women that I just literally would. If I ever, like, it came down to it, it would be that I'd be like, call them. They're perfect.
- [64:36]
B
I. Look, I. I never thought I would like having a man obgyn, but it's like a fatherly figure in, like, a not weird, creepy way. And he likes to talk football with Isaac, and he always gets me the oceanfront room. And so because of that, I love him.
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A
Say less.
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B
And he gave me a really cute scar that you can't really see, and it's perfect.
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A
That's. That's lovely.
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B
And it's great.
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A
So excited for you.
- [65:06]
B
I've loved talking about birth. Literally have been sitting here having intermittent Braxton. We'll call them Braxton Hicks.
- [65:14]
A
Hope so. Ali. That would be so mess. How long are they gone?
- [65:18]
B
Five days.
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A
Who's there with you?
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B
Nobody.
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A
Ally, no. Oh, my God.
- [65:31]
B
What?
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A
Is the dog gonna catch the girl? No, no.
- [65:37]
B
Can you imagine if I went into labor and I'm like, you have to get home now. And by the time he landed, I'm like, how are you not in the NFL? And I'm worried about you missing the birth. I thought we dodged.
- [65:50]
A
Watch. Honestly, watch this be the birth email. Oh, my God. See, I'm saying all this, it sounds really jinxy, but quite honestly, like, I just believe in the power of women in a way that I can't explain. And I just know that, like, you do it and you can be pissed off in a blade.
- [66:10]
B
I almost feel like I would prefer it. Like, he was scared during this. This feels, like, really relaxing. And, like, you know what?
- [66:21]
A
We'll just go. You did this on purpose. You had extra dates this morning, didn't you?
- [66:28]
B
Literally. Like my third cup of raspberry leaf tea. I'm like, see ya. Have fun.
- [66:34]
A
Oh, God.
- [66:36]
B
So thank you for coming on the podcast, because, of course.
- [66:38]
A
Thank you for having me.
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B
So that good.
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A
Bank that
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B
last question. Where can the people find you?
- [66:48]
A
On social media, people can find me at Kai Kelsey. Or if you want to follow the podcast handle, it's at NGL with Kylie. Yeah. Easy to find, I think.
- [67:02]
B
Cool. And the last thing I'll say is, I was going to say this when I. We were talking about baby names. I finally came across somebody who has the same baby name as what we're planning to name our daughter. And it was a dog.
- [67:14]
A
I saw this on your story. I almost replied and said, I feel like that's a good sign.
- [67:21]
B
It means it's trendy.
- [67:23]
A
Does it? I don't think so. I think probably chalk it up to that person. Do you know the person or were you just meeting the dog?
- [67:33]
B
They were at the dog beach.
- [67:34]
A
Okay. Let me tell you, that person, their owner is actually super cool. Very chic, very not trendy. Classic, timeless, individual. And you're gonna say that until you
- [67:50]
B
believe was a 60 year old woman.
- [67:53]
A
That feels beautiful. Something about that feels really pretty.
- [67:58]
B
I'm like, somebody's here. Oh, we. We got your birth support.
- [68:03]
A
It's your. It's your labor support.
- [68:06]
B
We hired a private chef and she's dropping off meals. That was the best thing I did postpartum.
- [68:12]
A
That sounds amazing because I do think one of the most important things is to feed yourself. Do that, please.
- [68:19]
B
All right, Kylie, thanks for coming on.
- [68:21]
A
Thank you. Thank you for letting me do my makeup for half this episode.
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B
I hope you guys enjoyed. Enjoy my dogs in the background crying and we'll see you in the next episode.
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A
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