How to Question Everything But Yourself With Journalist Danielle Robay

Summary

Superwomen with Rebecca Minkoff – Episode Summary

Podcast: Superwomen with Rebecca Minkoff
Episode: How to Question Everything But Yourself With Journalist Danielle Robay
Date: April 23, 2026
Guest: Danielle Robay, journalist, host of "Question Everything" podcast, and creator of the viral "Question Everything" card game

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Episode Overview

In this vibrant and candid discussion, Rebecca Minkoff welcomes journalist and question-asking aficionado Danielle Robay. They explore the transformative power of asking questions, how curiosity can unlock both personal and professional doors, and why women should question everything—but not themselves. Danielle shares her winding career journey, practical advice for developing conversational and negotiation skills, and memorable stories about mentorship and resilience. The episode is packed with actionable tips for building confidence, forming meaningful connections, and navigating setbacks with grit.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Power of Questions (02:59–10:41)

• Danielle's Career Foundations:
  • Questions as a "love language" that can create connection and open unexpected doors.
  • Shared how her journalism training and fascination with great interviewers (Larry King, Robin Roberts, Barbara Walters) helped her hone this skill.
  • The story of countless hours of "studying" tape and then serendipitously meeting Larry King, who became an informal mentor.
    • Quote: “He taught me how to ask questions… how to personalize them, how to get to the heart of people, when to jump in, when to relax. And that’s really how it began.” (08:24)
• Connection through Curiosity:
  • Both hosts discuss how genuine interest in others fosters deep bonds, whether at networking events or with friends.

Overcoming Obstacles & Redefining Success (13:35–22:17)

• Nonlinear Journey:
  • Danielle describes her “windy road” from L.A. garages to Chicago morning shows. No career is a straight line.
    • Rebecca: "No one has a fucking straight line… they're just really good liars." (13:40)
• Pay Equity Wake-Up:
  • Danielle discovers her male co-host earned $60,000 more, prompting her to push for a raise (16:05), receive only 5%, and ultimately quit—inspiring others to “bet on themselves.”
• Learning from Setbacks:
  • After not landing a coveted E! host position, a boyfriend advises her to "figure out how to hire yourself"—which sets the stage for her launching her own podcast.
    • Quote: “Everybody’s, like, waiting to be picked… We have to really work hard to make people see us the way we see ourselves.” (20:03, theme repeated with slight variation.)

Tools for Asking Better Questions (23:13–27:07)

• "Question everything but yourself":
  • Danielle’s mantra for women who doubt or second-guess themselves: “Stop questioning yourself. And when you catch it… just end it. Be bullish about it because you have to change that habit.” (23:13)
• Practical Techniques:
  • The "likability effect": people who ask follow-up questions are perceived as more likable and trustworthy.
  • Easy follow-ups: "Can you say more about that? Tell me more.” Useful when stuck in conversation. (23:35)
  • Practice with low-stakes people (baristas, waiters) to build confidence.
• Going Deeper in Conversation:
  • Share curiosities from current news, notice details (“story of their name”), or ask what someone would present a TED talk on for instant connection.

Negotiation, Value, and Not Fearing "No" (29:47–33:17)

• Negotiation Lessons:
  • Rebecca's signature advice: "Ask for a number that makes you want to vomit." (30:09) Danielle echoes that manifesting is nice, but "not a tactical skill."
  • Quote: "You cannot be scared of the no… To me, an ask means you're in conversation." (31:03)
  • Sometimes accepting less is a strategic move, as in early public speaking—do it for experience, then set your value as your skills and confidence grow.
• Knowing Your Value:
  • Danielle shares she now approaches opportunities with confidence: "If you hire me, your life is going to be so much easier. Like, it is a mistake not to hire me." (32:44)

Relationship-Building, Networking & Vulnerability (28:27–29:47, 35:26–35:54)

• Networking as Relationship-Building:
  • Both hosts argue for "long-term strategy" over transactional asks.
    • “When people ask me for things, who I've formed bonds with, not only do I jump to help them, but I oftentimes don't ask for anything in return.” (29:22)
• Vulnerability Breeds Connection:
  • Sharing deep or personal stories at events (like Rebecca’s “fearless moment” dinners) leads to lasting connections and unexpected support.

Confidence, Competence & Advice for Women (36:05–41:55)

• Confidence by Doing:
  • Danielle references a child psychologist: “Confidence comes from competence, by doing.” (38:58)
  • Both agree imposter syndrome is just a lack of practice: “Anything you're confident in life is just because you've had a lot of practice at it.” (40:01)
• Key Finding From Interviews:
  • Even ultra-successful women often didn’t have a clear path. The constant was "delusional optimism": belief in themselves against the odds.
    • Quote: “95% of accomplishing anything is just believing that you can.” (36:17)
    • Rebecca: “Delusional optimism. That’s what I call it.” (37:05)

Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Questions as a Superpower:
  • “There is no barrier to entry with questions.” (08:24, Danielle)
• Rebecca on Connection:
  • “It's like being a plant being watered… it just makes someone feel important.” (09:03)
• On Pay Equity:
  • “How was this even possible? We were doing the same job.” (16:05)
• On Resilience:
  • “I had a feeling I had a calling. And so I was so frustrated all the time.” (17:16)
• On Vulnerability:
  • “The more specific you are, the more universal your story is.” (36:00, Danielle)

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Notable Timestamps

• 02:25 — Danielle reveals early-career insecurity about negotiating pay
• 08:24 — Danielle meets Larry King and receives masterclass in asking questions
• 13:35 — The “windy road”: career pivots, heartbreak, and the value of betting on yourself
• 16:05 — Pay disparity revelation at Chicago morning show
• 23:13 — “Question everything but yourself”: Danielle’s core advice
• 30:09 — Negotiation advice: “Ask for a number that makes you want to vomit.”
• 36:17 — Success is “believing that you can”
• 38:58 — Confidence is built “by doing”

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Actionable Takeaways

• Ask More (and Better) Questions: Practice regularly (even with strangers) and use follow-ups like “Tell me more.”
• Don’t Undercut Yourself: Stop questioning your abilities; instead, question the world around you.
• Set Your Value High: When negotiating, ask for more than you believe you deserve—then rise to it.
• Lean Into Vulnerability: Sharing authentically helps others connect and support you.
• Confidence Comes from Practice: You won't feel ready until you repeatedly do the thing that scares you.
• Build Real Relationships: Networking is about genuine connection, not transactions.
• Believe in Yourself—Delusionally, If Needed: Even the most successful women often simply chose to believe.

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Danielle Robay’s Practical Question Starters

• “What’s something every woman should try once?” (43:15)
• “If you had to give a TED talk in 10 minutes, what would it be about?” (43:25)

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Where to Find Danielle

• Instagram: @daniellemrobay
• Her card game “Question Everything” is linked in her Instagram bio.
• Danielle’s parting wisdom: The greatest gift is to “ask one friend or family member a question.”

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Episode Tone:
Authentic, candid, energizing, and filled with real talk about the messiness of ambition, setbacks, relationship-building, and growth. Both Rebecca and Danielle balance practical advice with humor, warmth, and sharp insight.

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For those who missed the episode:
You’ll find actionable steps, memorable mentorship moments, and lively conversation on thriving as a curious, unstoppable superwoman—one great question at a time.

Transcript

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[Danielle Robay]

was scared to throw out numbers early on in my career because to be honest, I had no idea what I was bringing to the table. I was winging it and just trying. And now I'm like, if you hire me, your life is going to be so much easier. Like, it is a mistake not to hire me. And I can say the number now with full confidence.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Superwomen. Today's guest is someone I just was reminded I was on her podcast in Yerra Bay. The Queen, Queen of Questions and the host of not one, but two podcasts. Let's just start there. That is a lot. One is, like, killing me, and it's not even my full time job. And like, then I meet someone who has two.

[Danielle Robay]

I saw how questions changed my life. Like, when I would ask strangers questions, I felt like they were magnets to me. Nothing's ever been, like, gifted to me at work.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

But that's the beautiful lesson that some people, they just are expecting that it just happens, happens. And I'm like, that would be so nice. But nothing has ever just happened.

[Danielle Robay]

The universe sort of conspires with you, but you have to be putting out your. Like, you. You have to keep it.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah, your output has to be like 100 times more than you think.

[Danielle Robay]

Everybody's, like, waiting to be picked. No matter what industry you're in. You're like, if I work hard enough, someone will see it. And I actually think we have to really work hard to make people see us the way we see ourselves. Foreign.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I'm Rebecca Minkoff and this is Superwomen. Each week, inspiring women are interviewed to uncover the unexpected journeys, the challenges, and the unwavering spirit that makes them powerful. Get ready to be motivated by stories

[Narrator]

of resilience and discover the keys to

[Rebecca Minkoff]

unlocking your own potential. So how did you get dubbed the Queen of Questions? I listened to a couple tidbits about you, but I want to hear it. I want to hear it straight.

[Danielle Robay]

No one's ever asked me that. I love that question. It happened years ago because I had come out with my podcast question everything, and then I launched this card game. And the card game sort of went viral online when it first launched. And there was this Forbes article and people just started using it. And I was like, this is kind of fun. Maybe I'll run with it. And it stuck.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Obviously you came out with that. But what, yeah, what were you cultivating in yourself that people are like, oh, you are the queen of questions.

[Danielle Robay]

So questions are a love language to me. I don't know if you felt like this when you were dating, but I'm. I'm dating right now, and when I meet somebody who truly will sit with me, and ask questions. I feel like they are giving me such a gift. Like, I feel, like, so important to them that I. We're sharing this presence and that, like, that happens in meetings, that happens with girlfriends. I mean, the number one complaint that people have after any first date or any first meeting, according to the Harvard Business Review, is, I wish they had asked me more questions. And so it is a common thing. And because I was a journalist by trade, I was asking people questions for a living. And this is sort of a long story, but I'll. I'll. I'll share. I was working at Entertainment Tonight online. I quit. I had been miserable. I called my mom and I was like, I can't do this job anymore. And I had no money, and I had no backup plan, and I had no other job, and I had only been in LA for three years. And so I was thinking, I better suck this up. And she was like, you'll figure it out. Like, bet on yourself. You always do. If this isn't right, leap. And so I did. I was 25, and my mom was. Was still steering me more, I would say. So I quit, and I had nothing to do. I. I was so depressed. I was living in la, so I had this, like, very depressing studio apartment that had, like, no dishwasher.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

And how did you even, like, go, how am I gonna pay for this? Or you didn't even care at that point. You're just like, I gotta get out.

[Danielle Robay]

Well, I thought to myself, like, I. If I have to, I'll waitress. I can take, like, clients on to tutor. Like, I was willing to do anything. I just did not wanna sit at that desk.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Danielle Robay]

And I had, like, two or three months of savings, so I wasn't, like, in a dire need yet. And I decided to take myself to grad school. So I watched hundreds of hours of Larry King and Robin Roberts and Barbara Walters and all the people I thought were doing it best. And I was taking notes. How did they move their hands? How did they transition from question to question? What were my favorite questions they asked? And I had this list of hundreds of questions that I, I. That I had seen them ask and also that I had come up with because, like, everyone always wants to meet Oprah or Michael Jordan. But, like, when you do, what are you gonna say?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

You know, you say, I'm such a fan. And they're like, thank you so much. You know, and then you're like, I'm a loser.

[Danielle Robay]

And you didn't make anything of the moment.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Nothing, nothing, nothing.

[Danielle Robay]

And you can't always prepare. It's hard. Like, I've definitely been tongue tied in front of people before.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Danielle Robay]

But I do think one of the, like, one of the beautiful parts about questions is that it actually takes practice. Like, you can get better. It is for everybody.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Danielle Robay]

So the more practiced you are at asking questions, the better you get and the less tongue tied and insecure you feel.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Danielle Robay]

And so I had this whole list of questions, and a friend of mine said, I can tell you're really depressed. I have a surprise for you. So I meet him@nate N's in Beverly Hills that next morning. And I walk in and Larry King is sitting right there.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

What?

[Danielle Robay]

And I had been studying Larry.

[Narrator]

Right.

[Danielle Robay]

He was one of the people. And so I was floored. I was so excited. And I go and have breakfast with Larry, and he asked me a million questions. I could not get one in. He was the most insatiably curious person I have ever met to this day. And so at the end of breakfast, I said, larry, can I come back? I didn't get to ask you any questions. And he was like, don't you have a job? And I was like, no, I don't. And he said, well, you are welcome anytime. Wow. And so while I was unemployed, I had breakfast with Larry and his childhood friends, quite often weekly in Beverly Hills. And he taught me how to ask questions.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Wow.

[Danielle Robay]

How to personalize them, how to get to the heart of people, when to jump in, when to relax. And that's really, like, how it began. I can tell you the rest of the story, but I saw how questions changed my life. Like, when I would ask strangers questions, I felt like they were magnets to me. And even my parents, who knew me so well, I started asking them different questions, and I felt them drawn to me in a different way. And I realized that questions are a superpower and everybody can tap into it. So, like, I'm 5:1. I'm never going to be in the WNBA. Like, that is just not something I can attain. But, like, there is no barrier to entry with questions.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

People most often are interested in themselves, and no one is. Is actually interested in others. And when you grant them this interest, it's like being a plant being watered. Like when. When we're having a big event, you know, like, we just had one for female Founders Day. Lots of people, and I'm not saying this from an egotistical way, like, want to meet me and talk to me. I'm just like, I'm gonna ask you questions. You showed up for Me today, and I'm gonna find out everything I can about your business. Because you're important. It just makes someone feel important, I think, at the end of the day.

[Danielle Robay]

I love that you said that about yourself because it's something I've noticed about you. Because I go to female founder club events. I love it.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Danielle Robay]

And I always meet the most interesting people. And oftentimes at people's events, they talk about themselves. And everyone that comes up to you, you ask questions, too.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah, yeah. It's. Otherwise, it's uncomfortable. And you're just like, almost like a caged animal.

[Danielle Robay]

And I think it's, like, counterintuitive because, like, people oftentimes, I think they're wanting to impress you. Right. Like, you are this established entrepreneur, you're a huge name in the industry, and people are just like, oh, I, I, I want to tell her about me so she'll work with me. Or, you know, and really, if it's the opposite, like, if they were to ask questions about you, they all of a sudden become way more interesting.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I mean, I just find that even learning the skill, like you said, it's in your personal life, it's in your work life, and women are not taught, or it's not taught maybe to men either, to question nowadays. I was going to get my phone, but it's like, it's this or it's this, right? And it's just me, me all day long. And then you're in front of someone, you don't even know how to ask a question because you're just thinking about yourself, not. You know what I mean?

[Danielle Robay]

Well, I find that men are really not taught to ask questions, particularly on dates. But women, I think, are taught to question almost everything, including ourselves. I'm curious to hear your experience with questions in meetings and stuff. Because when you show up and you, I mean, you're doing big business like you're doing big collabs. You're trying to, I'm sure, at some point get investors. Like, you're having really large conversations, sometimes scary conversations. And I think people in those roles often don't want to ask questions because they don't want to come off as not being authoritative. What's been your experience? Do you think people view you that way if you're asking questions?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I think there's a type of person that views you that way. So, like, I, I remember when we first had our investors come in and we were at the board meetings, and I didn't know what any of the terminology was because I hadn't educated myself about business yet. And I'm sure when I was like, what's eta? He was like, oh, you sweet little stupid girl. I'm sure he thought that. But that's a type of person versus someone who's like my brother, who was like, you need to understand this language. You need to learn it. It's okay to ask questions if you don't know or ask me or Google it, you know? So I just think you know, and there's men and women that are like that, like, oh, you don't know this already? I don't know about you, but I try and stay clear with those people a hundred percent.

[Danielle Robay]

I think it. I. I've felt a shift. People are more open nowadays, like, they're bringing the personal into the professional a little bit more, men and women alike. And so I find that people appreciate my questions now more than they did like three years ago even.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

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[Danielle Robay]

I never got to ask him that, but I do. If I had to guess, I think it was my innate curiosity. I really, I am so curious about the world. And he was too. And I think, you know, when you love something. He was in his late 80s when I met him. You want to share it? Like, he had so much to give me and other young people and he was a really helpful person. He had a few other mentees. Like, one ended up writing a book and there were other people that were at breakfast. But I think he saw that I wanted to be a person in the world and I wanted to make my mark.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I love that. So from there, you parlayed it into like, what was your next step?

[Danielle Robay]

It was actually such a windy road. I wish that it was more of a straight line.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

No one has a fucking straight line. There's like a couple. There's like five.

[Danielle Robay]

I know. And it's. Even when it seems that way, it's not.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I know, but you're right. They at Least are lying. They're really good liars.

[Danielle Robay]

So my dream was always to work at either. I moved to la. I lived in a garage. I had no clue. No money, no friends. I wanted to work at E. And I wanted to be the millennial Barbara Walters. I didn't realize that those probably weren't congruent. So I started doing red carpets and entertainment news. And then I quit, started spending time with Larry King and thought, I gotta change my direction. And he always said, you need your own show. And I was like, Larry, they're not really handing out shows the way they used to. Like, he was living in Florida, doing radio, and some guy in New York called him one day and was like, hey, Lair, you want to do a show on cnn?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Stop it.

[Danielle Robay]

Swear.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Oh my God.

[Danielle Robay]

And the next day he had, you know, next week, largest interview show in the world on cnn. Times had changed. But I do think there's something to trying to find somebody whose career you appreciate and working backwards because there's are still through lines. So what I think he meant by you need your own show was you need a calling card and you need people to see you differently. People saw me as like an entertainment news person and that's not ever what my dream was. So I eventually got a job in Chicago as a morning show host. Did that for two years.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

So you left, you left your garage?

[Danielle Robay]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Okay.

[Danielle Robay]

Totally left my horrible studio apartment. Left the guy that I was dating.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Okay.

[Danielle Robay]

He was like my first big love. So it was a big choice.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

That's dramatic.

[Danielle Robay]

It was really hard. I actually there's this woman, Michelle, who works at caa who I owe so much to because I called her and I said, I don't want to take this job. I finally feel ready to, like, I have friends. I feel more settled here. It took a while.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Danielle Robay]

And she said, if this guy is the right guy, he will be the right guy in two years. Go take this job.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Wow.

[Danielle Robay]

And thank God, because he was not the right guy.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Well, that's a relief.

[Danielle Robay]

So not the right guy.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

It came to be the story of actually he was the right guy. And I missed my chance.

[Danielle Robay]

I know. Yeah. Instead it would be like, I'm the girl who didn't go to Paris like Lauren Conrad.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Right.

[Danielle Robay]

So I went to Paris, but Paris was Chicago and did this morning show. And at the end of it, I found out that my I had a male co host and another female co host. And I found out that my male co host was making $60,000 more than me.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Oh my gosh.

[Danielle Robay]

And I couldn't pay my rent. My parents were helping me supplement my rent at the time. And I was just so upset because, like, how was this even possible? We were doing the same job. So I march into my boss's office and I'm like, my contract is almost up. This is perfect timing. Can you make this right? And they came back to me with a 5% raise, which was like a hundred, like, nothing, you know?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Right.

[Danielle Robay]

So my mom again said, bet on yourself. You'll figure it out. And I'm so grateful because I was really scared. I loved that job. I didn't know if I would ever get another one, right? But I quit and I moved back to la and I moved in with that guy. And four months later, I moved out of that apartment with him again. I was broke. I had no direction. I felt like I was constantly trying to fit, what is the saying? A square into a round hole or the opposite? It just never fit. And I had this feeling I had a calling. And so I was so frustrated all the time. And finally I got this audition at E. And I thought, I'm ready. Finally.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

How do you even get an audition at E?

[Danielle Robay]

I had an agent, and they had put me up for it. And, you know, I think when you've been in a specific industry for, like, five plus years, you start to know the players, they start to know you a little bit. And so I had this audition and it got to the end of the line, and they flew me to New York. And I thought, oh, this is it. Like, I'm gonna get this, and this is gonna be what changes my life. And it was down to me and I think maybe two, three other people. And I didn't get it. My agent called me and I fell on the bed crying. And I thought the worst. Like, you know that feeling, and you're like, what was all the sacrifice for? Is this ever gonna amount to anything? And a new guy that I had started dating in New York came to the hotel room, and it was too early for me to have been crying this way. Like, I. We had only been dating, like, three weeks at the time, and he sees me a mess. And he was. He was an entrepreneur. And he said, you get to be upset for 24 hours, and then you need to go figure out how to hire yourself. And I was like, in what I do, that's not like, I want to be on the Today show. Like, someone has to hire me. That's not how this works. And he was like, yes, it is.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

What year was this?

[Danielle Robay]

It Was like, December of 2018. And so I started my podcast, Question Everything. And I dumped all my savings into it because I came from tv and I wanted the video to be beautiful. I wanted it to be done right. And I actually think that that hurt me and helped me because in some ways, I think I got guests that my numbers probably didn't support at the time because the video looked so good. So once my podcast started, that is when everything changed for me. And it is the greatest lesson in trying to, like, truly take control of your own destiny and put work out. I think everybody's, like, waiting to be picked. No matter what industry you're in, you're like, if I work hard enough, someone will see it. And I actually think we have to really work hard to make people see us the way we see ourselves. So I started interviewing all women. I wanted to be in women's media. Someone once said, follow your envy. And I would look on Instagram and, like, I didn't care about the Grammys or the Oscars. I was like, I want to be at the makers conference. How do I do that? And eventually. I don't want to bore you, but what ultimately happened was a woman at E. Called me, and out of the blue, and she said, danielle, I have this new show, and I want you to host it. And I thought she was. I thought I was being pranked. And I was like, you want me to come audition? And she said, no, I've auditioned 50 people. No one can do live. I know. You can do live. Come host the show. And so that happened. And then eventually, hello, Sunshine saw my work, and I pitched them a show as well.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Right, and you pitched them blind. It's not like. Right. Because I. When I was doing my. My deep dive.

[Danielle Robay]

Yes.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

You said, hey, I have this idea.

[Danielle Robay]

Yeah. Because nothing's ever been, like, gifted to me at work.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

But that's the beautiful lesson that some people, they just are expecting that it just happens. And I'm like, that would be so nice. But nothing has ever just fucking happened.

[Danielle Robay]

Do you feel that way, too?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yes, and I'm angry about it. You know, I mean, you get these, like, small little winds at your sails.

[Danielle Robay]

Yes.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

And every time that happens, I'm like, oh, this is that moment where something fell in your lap.

[Narrator]

But there's no.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

There's not a lot of falling in the lap. Like, everything you created, it sounds like came from you, you being the source of it. Not except for that one E call. But it was because you started your podcast not just if you hadn't she might not have seen your work.

[Danielle Robay]

I know she didn't, because I asked her, why did you hire me? And she said, oh, that's easy. I love your podcast.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Right.

[Danielle Robay]

And so I do believe that the universe sort of conspires with you, but you have to be putting out your. Like, you have to keep it. Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Your output has to be, like, 100 times more than you think, and you have to relearn that lesson over and over again. I feel like.

[Danielle Robay]

I love that you said that. I'm relearning it again right now.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Oh, my gosh.

[Danielle Robay]

And I thought it was past my mom.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I thought it was basically, too. And then my mom was like, you are working so hard. Like, is anything just falling in your lap? And I'm like, not lately, but I have faith that something will fall in my lap.

[Danielle Robay]

Well, you are also constantly building.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Well, you have to reinvent yourself every five seconds, so there's never a resting on your laurels. You know, I mean, for anyone, really. I don't think. Do you feel that way?

[Danielle Robay]

I agree with you. I don't know if it's. Maybe we had the perfect amount of love and trauma in our upbringing or

[Rebecca Minkoff]

something, but I feel like there's a healthy amount of trauma. People need to have to understand challenge and adv. Adversity, because it's just part of life. And if you don't get the challenge or adversity, like, you're, like, ill equipped to navigate things.

[Danielle Robay]

And. You know, what's cool about podcasting is I think for the first time, we're really getting to see the challenge in people's stories, because a lot of times, like, people would write a book and kind of gloss over all the hard stuff. But now in conversation, you're hearing all of the crying on the kitchen floor moments.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yes. Which are so important that other women who are crying on the kitchen floor

[Danielle Robay]

to hear it is. The only thing that got me through those moments was hearing stories from other women that were like, first of all, welcome to the entrepreneur club. Like, you've had your first meltdown. You can't pay people. You feel like you don't know how to. Like, you're not going to be able to make it to next month. You're part of the club.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

So let's go back to this idea of women questioning too much.

[Danielle Robay]

Oh, okay.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

But it's like a. It's like a good and a bad. So we question too much, let's say, about ourselves. But we need to have these skills in order to. In Personal and in business question things.

[Danielle Robay]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

And I think probably any mistake I made in business was because I didn't ask enough questions and then question myself at the same time. So having studied all the greats, having had your own amazing career, what could you say that a woman who doesn't know how to start should start doing to like, know how much to ask and not listen to the side of herself that's like, wait a second.

[Danielle Robay]

I think the first part is question everything but yourself. Like, stop questioning yourself. And when you catch it and you catch yourself doing it, just end it.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Danielle Robay]

And be bullish about it because you have to change that habit.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

You need a shirt that says that.

[Danielle Robay]

Question everything but yourself in parentheses. I love that. I need to. Can we make that.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yes, we can.

[Danielle Robay]

Separately. The asking question part, I have so many tips and tools and tricks. The first is there's something called the likability effect. And so if you are nervous about asking questions, know that asking questions and specifically follow up questions make you more likable and more trusted across the board, professionally and personally. Second of all, I think there are a few things to do to practice. The first is think about a doctor. I always think about this. They come in and they say, what's going on today? And then you say, well, my throat hurts. And they say, well, tell me more about that. And so if you don't know what to say as a follow up, say, can you say more about that? Tell me more. Super easy. You have it in your back pocket.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah, we needed that. Yesterday, my husband ran into a person who we have trouble communicating with and he's like, are you cruising along?

[Danielle Robay]

And I was like, what kind of

[Rebecca Minkoff]

question is that, babe? And he's like, what? I didn't know what to say to him and I have nothing to talk to him about. So I was just like, are you cruising along?

[Danielle Robay]

I actually think that's cute. I don't hate that.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I thought it was so like geezer of him to say, you cruising along? In life, I'm cute.

[Danielle Robay]

I mean, I think also that actually is a great point because a lot of times people think conversation is sort of about like adding things or bringing something interesting up. And I think great conversation is more about staying with whatever that person is interested in. So, like those. He was trying to like open up something for him to grab onto, which is tough.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

It's tough. I think it was Diary of Sia where he says the LLM conversations like, how are you? I'm good. How are you? Like, how do you. How do you get past that with people?

[Danielle Robay]

Yeah. So one is, like, practice with people who are paid to talk to you. So like a barista or a waiter. Because conversation and questioning is truly about practice. So, like, once I, like, share some of these skills, practice with people who are paid to talk to you, because once you are more practiced, you will feel more confident to do it with everybody else. In terms of getting past that and going deeper. There's an art, because you don't want to go so deep that you shock somebody. Right. You don't want to be out of place and weird. But I think there's a few things that you can bring up. One, if you read something interesting, if you saw something on Instagram that was interesting, you can always say, like, hey, I saw this article. I'm so curious what you think about this. Also, you. If you notice something about somebody. As soon as I walked in today, I was like, rebecca, your pants are so unique. These are cool pants. And so, like. And you're telling me something like, do you love flowers? Like, what happened? Where did you get these pants?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I got them at Mango, believe it or not.

[Danielle Robay]

And where, like, in. In America. Because Mango.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I'm always thinking, Mango has fixed their American offering. This is not a plug for Mango. They're not sponsoring the podcast yet. But I don't know. I got served an email, and I was like, those are the best things I've ever seen.

[Danielle Robay]

They're really cool, and they're, like, floral, and it makes me think, like, are you a hippie at heart?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I am a mix. I'm, like, bohemian and rock. But today we're entering our boho situation.

[Danielle Robay]

Yeah, but you have your rock and roll jewelry.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah. I'm in la, though, you know, like,

[Danielle Robay]

laid back, and we just had a whole. I learned something about you just from the pod.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Oh, you were, like, subtly, subtly interjecting. I was just going with it.

[Danielle Robay]

Yeah. So you can point something out about somebody that you like.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yep.

[Danielle Robay]

I also think one of my favorite things is to ask somebody when you meet them the story of their name, because, one, it helps you remember it.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Right.

[Danielle Robay]

But also, there's such funny stories, and people love talking about their loved ones, and so I am genuinely curious, like, why were you named Rebecca?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Oh, it's a shitty story. They were gonna name me Molly, and then they got a dog before I was born, and they named the dog Molly.

[Danielle Robay]

Okay.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

That's how I got Rebecca. But that's a good Jewish name. A good Jewish name. That was it. But that's the only Requirement. It's funny and embarrassing.

[Danielle Robay]

No, I love it because now I know your parents are dog people. Like now I have something to go off, right? And I can ask you so many follow ups.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

But let me ask you this in a moment in time where obviously connection is critical and becoming more critical. With AI and, and social media, you have this problem. I'll say a problem I have. Like if I'm going out to something, a woman's event, a Forbes event, a makers event, I am there with an agenda. I am hunting to meet and connect with someone who can help expand what I'm doing or meet a great new guest. And if I find myself asking all the questions, then when do I ask for the hey, I'd love to have you on, or hey, I'd love to partner with you if you know, like, how does, how do you make that nuanced behavior part of it so you don't leave there being like, I talked to 100 people and they love me, but I didn't get anything from that experience. Does that make sense?

[Danielle Robay]

Okay, so to me, networking is really a horrible word. Like what we are doing is relationship building. And so I view, this is just my personal view, but I view relationship building as a long term strategy. And so I think oftentimes if you make the ask right away, it comes off transactional and you may be in a different position because you have a lot to offer people. And so you saying like, hey, can you come on my pod? Like, people are like, yeah, I would love to come on your, you know, like it's a.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

You're. People say no, I'm just saying.

[Danielle Robay]

But like oftentimes you're giving people a gift or it feels mutually beneficial, you know, So I think that's a little bit of a different story. But oftentimes I think relationship building is long term and you kind of have to like form that bond before you make the ask.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yes. So you're feeding it and then at some point you'll know the moment to ask whatever it is you need.

[Danielle Robay]

I don't know about you, but when people ask me for things, who I have formed bonds with, not only do I jump to help them, but I oftentimes don't ask for anything in return. Like I'm just like, yeah, like we're friends. I do think sometimes the transactional thing works if both people are on board. It's not how I, I just don't like it. The relationships that I've built now, years later, run so deep that nobody's keeping

[Rebecca Minkoff]

score so what about the question like you had to ask your boss, I want to raise.

[Danielle Robay]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

And then what do you do when you've built that relationship? Maybe it's with your boss or your HR manager and you ask or, or maybe a business partner or a supplier and you're like, here's my question. And the answer is no.

[Danielle Robay]

So you actually taught me this years ago. Yes, years ago.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Ask for a number that makes you want to vomit. Yeah.

[Danielle Robay]

I go to so many women's conferences, events, panels, and people often ask like, what's your best negotiation tactic? And the amount of people that say manifest to the number you want. I want. I want to die when they say that. I believe in manifestation and I am. Woo woo. That is not a tactical skill to

[Rebecca Minkoff]

get somebody you don't even know how. What does manifesting mean? You still have to say the answer.

[Danielle Robay]

Yes.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Danielle Robay]

And I quote you every time I'm on a panel.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I love that.

[Danielle Robay]

It was the best advice I'd ever gotten on the POD about negotiation because it says so much. Like, you do have to. You can't just say what you think you're worth. You have to go above that.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yes. It's so uncomfortable.

[Danielle Robay]

It's so scary.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I know.

[Danielle Robay]

And you gave me permission. I started doing it after that.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I love that.

[Danielle Robay]

So me. Yes. So I think you cannot be scared of the no.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Danielle Robay]

And to me, an ask means you're in conversation. So people. Oftentimes I had to learn this. Like when I was older, when I was younger, I was scared of the no, and I thought the conversation ended there. What I learned later was like, no means next option. So even in that conversation, it means okay, so that's a no. What will. What can we do to get this to a yes? Does that mean I throw in some social media publicity? Does that mean that we're really far away, numbers wise? Like, it is a conversation and it's not just a no. Full stop.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah. And sometimes I've, I've experienced it. Sometimes you have to go back and eat it. And sometimes if you want it bad enough and, and accept what they have to give and hopefully you're like, listen, I'm going to do a good job for you. And like, if. If it works and you're happy, consider more next time.

[Danielle Robay]

Yes. I think that's so beautiful. That means that you see value in the partnership. And, you know, it's not a perfect one to one. Like, I think there's moments where I've been probably paid more than I should have and there's moments where I've been paid a lot less, so kind of evens out in business, I guess.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

It does. It does. I feel like there was a good stint for, I don't know, two or three years where I was speaking on panels and I was getting my chops, but I didn't even know you could get paid.

[Danielle Robay]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

So I just said yes to everything. And then I was like, oh, shit, she just made 50k and I made zero. And I was shocked. And then I was like, okay, but it's twofold, right. I learned how to do it, I got on the stages, and then now it's like, well, I'll only do it if you're paid X or whatever it is, or it's such a big stage that you want to be there. But it's definitely an interesting dynamic when you're saying, like, all right, I'll flex. We're going to figure out how to get it on the back ender.

[Danielle Robay]

I think you're hitting on something so smart, too, because it's knowing what value you bring. You have. Like, once you knew how to speak, then you had the confidence to say, I know I bring value to this space. And so I was scared to throw out numbers early on in my career because, to be honest, I had no idea what I was bringing to the table. I was winging it and just trying. And now I'm like, if you hire me, your life is going to be so much easier. Like, it is a mistake not to hire me. And I can say the number now with full confidence.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Totally. And even that full confidence. Just that twist.

[Danielle Robay]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Makes, I think, such a huge difference in people being like, oh, yeah, no problem. Yeah. Versus, like, a question mark at the end of the amount.

[Danielle Robay]

Oh, yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Period. Has to be a period on a question mark.

[Danielle Robay]

Period. Yes. I so agree. I mean, George Clooney has that famous story where he says that he wasn't booking anything, and then all of a sudden, he switched something in his mind. And he said, when I walk into an audition, I am doing them a favor because I am a person who can do this job. I'm a person who shows up on time. Like, there are so many actors that he was auditioning with that, like, couldn't get it together. And as soon as he switched his mindset, he started booking roles.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Okay, so let's talk about this card game.

[Danielle Robay]

Okay.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Girls night in. Yeah, tell me about it. Because I missed the viral moment because I don't know how I missed it, but tell me about it.

[Danielle Robay]

Well, it was Years ago, it was for the original question everything deck that I had.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I thought I missed a new viral moment.

[Danielle Robay]

No, no. I think I hit the Internet right at the right time because it was like, kind of in the middle of the pandemic. It was 2022, and people were starving for connection and conversation. And, you know, there's so many great card games out there. I'm not the only one. But none of them are written by journalists. And so while there are some great questions, I think the way that I have worded them actually changes the outcome of conversation. Like, they're very much crafted and tailored to have a specific experience. So after the first one did well, I had been wanting to create a second one, third one, like all these expansion packs, and I had so many I wanted to do. And then one night, I was sitting with my girlfriends and my college girlfriends, and I sit on my couch once a month, and that's our date. We never go out. And because we don't want to put makeup on, we don't want to be out in public. Like, we just want to be on the couch laughing. And I was like, oh, I feel like everyone wants this. Who cares about girls night out? I want girls night in. And sometimes, like, when you're with your best friends, you guys kind of just either catch up or talk about stuff, you know already. And these questions, I think, really pull new stories out that you didn't know no matter how long you've known your best friend.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah, I love that.

[Danielle Robay]

Yeah, it's fun.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I'm going to do my girls night in with these cards. That's so exciting.

[Danielle Robay]

You have to report back. Some are a little not safe for work. There's some spicy questions.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Oh, I love that.

[Narrator]

Yeah, it's so beautiful.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

What happens when you're. When you're asking people these questions and then they have to share in front of, most oftentimes, strangers. I did a dinner in New York for my book, and I forced everyone to say, like, a fearless moment. And it was really wild what people shared well.

[Danielle Robay]

And I bet from that dinner, so many connections were made that you don't even know about.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Correct.

[Danielle Robay]

Every time I throw a gathering in person, I end up hearing down the road, this person threw a book launch that, like, beautiful things happen.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

It's kind of amazing. I think when you're vulnerable in answering these questions, that's when you get the good stuff.

[Danielle Robay]

And I found that the more specific you are, the more universal your story is, which is weird.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah. I could see that you have interviewed women Like Meryl Streep, Mark Cuban, Gloria Steinem. What have you learned about them? About power and confidence and how they think differently?

[Danielle Robay]

So this is the only thing I've ever disagreed with Oprah about, because Trevor Noah asked her, Oprah, after years of interviewing successful people, what do each of them have in common? And she beautifully said, they all know where they're going. They all have a direction. And I have interviewed. I'm not Oprah, but I have interviewed some of the most successful, famous, creative, innovative people in the world. And a lot of them had no idea where they were going. They put one foot in front of the other and then sort of figured it out. And the through line I found is that they just believe that they could. And I think like 95% of accomplishing anything is just believing that you can.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yes.

[Danielle Robay]

And you know this better than anybody.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Delusional optimism. That's what I call it.

[Danielle Robay]

That is what it is.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Not optimism from, like, everything's fine and I'm so happy. But you're delusionally optimistic about achieving the thing.

[Danielle Robay]

You just know in your heart, I will make this work.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yes. Against every odd. Yeah.

[Danielle Robay]

Yes.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah. So you feel like they all had that.

[Danielle Robay]

Oh, every single one. Yeah, every single one. And there were. There were moments of doubt, there were moments of hardship. There were the crying on the kitchen floor. Everyone has it.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Danielle Robay]

But in their heart, they just believed they could.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I love that. If you were gonna tell me that it was they all make their beds, I was gonna be like, no, I, I hate that. That statistic drives me crazy. I'm like, I take pride that someone else makes my fucking bed. Okay. Someone made my bed.

[Danielle Robay]

Yes.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

But when I first.

[Danielle Robay]

At least it's made. Mine's not always made.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

When I first moved to New York, I lived with an old lady who, like, rented me a room. She was probably in her 60s and her 9 year old mother lived there too. And she was like, you will make your bed every morning. I was like, but it's my room and I'm paying rent. She was like, you have to make your bed.

[Danielle Robay]

You're kidding.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

No. And I never made my bed. And my mom didn't care. I was so angry that, like, since that moment. So I was 21.

[Danielle Robay]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I was like, I will never make my bed.

[Danielle Robay]

Oh, I get that. That's traumatic.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

It's dramatic.

[Danielle Robay]

Crazy woman.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I know. She was great. She's. She is great. She's still alive. But. Yeah.

[Danielle Robay]

Wow. So you guys ended in a good place.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

We did. And then I wrote a book. And she's in my book. She's like, my name. You called me Sarah, and I'm Carol. I was like, I know. I was trying to preserve your anonymity. Okay.

[Danielle Robay]

I was doing it to protect you because you come off crazy, and my

[Rebecca Minkoff]

mom's name is not Ethel. And I was like, I know. Okay, so, last piece of advice for someone listening who you've given a lot of advice, but with regards to whether it's finding the confidence to ask more questions or finding the confidence to create more relationships in the room.

[Danielle Robay]

I interviewed a child psychologist, and she said confidence comes from competence by doing. And I know that's sort of an annoying thing to say. It's not, but it's true. I was not. If you look at my old interviews, I was nervous asking questions. You could hear my voice shake sometimes. I asked weird questions, socially awkward questions. It was not perfect. And I think people oftentimes will look at my career now and say, well, you're. You're not. You're naturally curious. It just comes to you. How about for someone who. It doesn't. It actually can. It's. It's truly like. I think there's 9.5 million Google searches a day, and that's with ChatGPT. So, like, people are so curious. We all have so many questions, but 54% of Americans think nobody knows them, so that's a pretty high statistic. And so we're not. We're all not asking each other enough about ourselves. So I think, don't worry about making it perfect. Just do it.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I echo that. I. I don't. I'm going to butcher the quote, but I was talking with someone. They're like, confidence comes from practice.

[Danielle Robay]

Yes.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

The whole imposter syndrome is just that you just haven't practiced enough, and that's all it is. It's just like going to the gym, doing your whatever. Like anything you're confident in, life is just because you've had a lot of practice at it.

[Danielle Robay]

I 100% agree. I actually interviewed somebody who said that imposter syndrome is multiplied when you are underrepresented in your contact. So, like, often for women, because we're underrepresented, we don't see other people doing it. And while I appreciate that sentiment, I've not found that to be true. I felt imposter syndrome, and I got over it when I felt competent.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Agreed. I think again and again. I mean, like you said, your early interviews. My husband and I just found early footage of me being the recipient of an Interview.

[Danielle Robay]

Oh, yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

And I couldn't have been more horrific on camera. I was like, well, the inspiration for my collection was. I'm like, oh, my God. How did I even get here? How do I even get here? Like. But, like, it's practice. It really is practice. And, like, interviewing is an art, you know? Like, when you're interviewing, you're not actually having a. Right. Typical interviewing. You're not having a regular dialogue. Yeah.

[Danielle Robay]

After me, like, spewing all this stuff about just asking questions. I'm curious if you feel more practiced and more confident at it, even though it seems like it came kind of naturally to you after doing your podcast because you're asking people questions all the time.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

You didn't listen to, like, my Coco Rocha one where I'm like, well, thank God video was not. And I'm like, coco, tell me. And she's sitting in front of me. I'm like, tell me about how you got started in modeling.

[Danielle Robay]

No, actually, you did. Because my mom and I would listen together in the pandemic.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

It was so bad.

[Danielle Robay]

It's not as bad as you think.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Oh, God.

[Danielle Robay]

But you just kept doing.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I just kept doing it because I was like, something good's gonna happen. And the good is, honestly, is meeting women, hearing their grit, their stories, their resilience. Like, that's the good. Like, it's. I don't need therapy. I can just do this.

[Danielle Robay]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Danielle Robay]

Do you feel like you've taken people's advice and brought it into your.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah. I quote. I quote a woman all the time about. This was the height of my reality TV nightmare. And she. Kristen Ozalski from Nomadica Wines was like, only take advice from people whose lives you want. And it reframed everything, like. And so anytime I saw a headline or something, I'd be. I like, let me go. Look. Do I want their life? No, I don't. Can't take their advice.

[Danielle Robay]

That's helpful.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yeah. Their advice or their opinion. You know what I mean?

[Danielle Robay]

Yes. Very helpful.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

There was a troll who was like, if you're so successful, you should fix your teeth. And I was like, that's good advice. And I got braces, and I'm.

[Danielle Robay]

No, you're kidding. You know what's funny is that I love a Hillary Clinton quote. She said, you should take feedback seriously, not personally.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Yes.

[Danielle Robay]

And sounds like you're pretty good at that.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I was like, you know what? I'm gonna get some interior braces, and no one's gonna see them. And now my bottom teeth are fixed.

[Danielle Robay]

It's amazing.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

I know. So thank you. Troll on the Internet.

[Danielle Robay]

Never noticed that, to be honest, Rebecca. But I love that you love your teeth.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

This has been the best. Where can people find you? Follow you buy the cards.

[Danielle Robay]

Everything's on Danielle Robay at on Instagram. Link in my bio. R O B A Y. And I think the best gift you could give me and even more than buying my cards is ask one friend or family member a question.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

What would it be?

[Danielle Robay]

I think an easy one that spurs conversation is what's something every woman should try once?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Ooh, I like that.

[Danielle Robay]

And it's whatever your guttural reaction is.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Okay.

[Danielle Robay]

Or I'll give you another one. So if you meet someone new and you say, like, if you had to give a TED talk in 10 minutes, what would it be about?

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Oh, wow, I love that because then

[Danielle Robay]

you know, like something about them right away.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Totally.

[Danielle Robay]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

This has been awesome. I'm so glad we got to do this.

[Danielle Robay]

So wonderful. Thank you for having me on. What a gift.

[Rebecca Minkoff]

Thanks so much for watching today's episode. Thank you. Before you head out, I want to invite you to my brand new YouTube channel for all things superwomen. It's a fresh space I'm building out for 2026, packed with past episodes, future episodes, and some special new content we're cooking up. Just search SuperWoman Media on YouTube and subscribe so you're there for everything coming next. I'll see you over there. Thanks for listening to today's episode. If you've enjoyed it, take a second to rate and review the show. Wherever you're tuning in, it really helps others find the podcast. You can follow me on Instagram, Rebecca Minkoff and msuperwoman or for a slice into my personal life at Becky Minkoff. And don't forget to check out my book, Fearless the New Rules for Unlocking Creativity, Courage, and Success. See you next week.