E (2:41)

Ah, Scott, I'm good in you.

C (2:43)

Wonderful. Even better now that we have all y' all joining us here today. And Angelina, great to see you Again, how you doing?

A (2:51)

Thank you, Scott. I'm doing fine. Thank you so much for the invitation.

C (2:54)

You bet, Jenny. Now, while Angelina and Liesel are friends of mine, y' all go way back. Jenny, I think with these two Dynamos, you ready for a great conversation. And, and what do you expect from Liesl and Angelina here today?

D (3:11)

I, yes, I'm very much looking forward to it. Yes, I go back a long way with both inspiring ladies. But I am expecting everyone listening to leave with one thing that is going to inspire them to be better, do better and just learn from these incredible supply chain leaders.

C (3:33)

I'm with you. And you know what? I think you're lowballing with one. I'm, I'm expecting 17 things here today from Liesl and Angelina and Jenny, so we'll see. But hey, we'll start with a fun warm up question. And Liesl, I'm so jealous because you shared this in the green room. I love penguins. The couple times I've been to Cape Town, I've been kind. Jenny's friends have been kind enough to take us to the penguin rescue centers. Ken, Ken Titmus. By the way, shout out to Ken and Liesel, one of your hobbies is adopting penguins. Tell us more.

E (4:09)

Absolutely. Well, Sankob, the South African National Conservation of Coastal Birds in South Africa, you can adopt a penguin, anyone can go and adopt it. And it's basically they allocate one of their rescue penguins to you virtually, so you don't actually take the penguin home, sadly, but you pay for the rehabilitation of that penguin and the funding then goes towards a rehabilitation of other penguins. And there's lots of things you can do. You can adopt an egg, you can adopt a hatchling, you can provide, adopt, pay for some food for them. And they really, you know, our penguins are on their critically endangered wildlife list and they're such an important part of our biodiversity and that's what they represent to me. They're a very important key. And I stay close to Simonstown and, you know, I get to go and walk on the boardwalk there, get to see the penguins in their natural habitat. It's just an amazing thing to see. And I think that's one of the great things about living in Cape Town. You sort of immersed in that biodiversity, which makes the mission and the passion around sustainable supply chain very tangible for me.

C (5:15)

Oh my gosh, Jenny Froome, I love all of that. And, and quite a picture that Liesel paints. And plus, come on, it's penguins. Who, who doesn't like penguins?

D (5:25)

Your thoughts are Jenny, gorgeous 100%. And having been there myself and seen them in their natural environment and doing the site visit to Sancob a couple of years ago at the Sapiks conference and hearing everybody's inspiration about the work that these people do to preserve the lives of these valuable animals on our planet. It's really very, very, very humbling. And it makes us realize that we all need to do more to protect these species while they're still alive.

C (6:00)

Jenny, well said. You see the difference between me and Jenny, all you got to say is penguins immediately is enough. Like a five year old. Again, Jenny, as always, is poetic and challenging us to a leadership initiative and imperative that we should all accept. So, Jenny, well said as always. And folks, if you go to Cape Town, you got to go to the beaches and see the penguins, but you also got to go to the nonprofit organizations that rescue these penguins because it really is just remarkable. Okay, so we're going to shift from penguins to some of where Angelina spends her time, her free time, when she's not doing big things in supply chain singing and cooking. Angelina, I love the combination. So tell us more.

A (6:45)

Yes, Kurt, I love thinking. Unfortunately don't have thinking in Mozambique, but I love thinking. Sinking is the opposite of my day to day life. It allows me to slow down, breathe and simply be present. It's not about performance metrics, about expression and joy and cooking on the other side. I love thinking for people. It's deeply personal. I love exploring different flavors and dishes special from different culture. Food tell stories so about identity, history and community. I always like to try different types. So there's something powerful about just taking simple ingredients and transform them into a meal that brings people together around table. Conversation happens, laughter happens. So these are the two things that really brings me to that space. Space in many ways. So thinking and cooking keep me balanced. They remind me that while structuring is important, supply chain is important in my way. Creativity, connection. But I just as essential in life. So that's my two things. Cooking and singing.

C (7:52)

I love that, Angelina. And as you said there, food does indeed tell stories. It brings folks together. And you also painted quite a table. And I should just say that I enjoyed singing and cooking and then Amanda made me stop singing and and then stop cooking. But Angeline, quick follow up question for I get Jenny's take. You mentioned some of the food you like, right? Diverse culinary styles and types of food. Yeah. Singing, what do you sing? What's your favorite genre?

A (8:21)

Oh my God, I love singing gospel music. I like gospel. Yes. I Like singing gospel music. I think it's my own way of confessing with God, my own way of talking to God, talking to the universe or talking to high power. Like, it's really, it's because I've been sinking from my soul and I love it. I connect and I'm there in that moment. So because each and every word, it's like I'm communicating to someone. So I love it.

C (8:49)

Fantastic. Fantastic. All right, so we heard a lot from Lies and Angelina, but, Jenny, your quick comments first. Do you sing while you cook as well? Jenny?

D (9:00)

No, apparently I'm a really bad singer, but I think, I only think I sound like Newton John, which is my idol. And I always wanted to be just like her, but sadly, apparently not. My brother has a tape of me aged about 14, singing hopelessly devoted to you, which I think he still has and threatens to bring out every now and again. So, no, singing is not my thing. Cooking, I wanted to be a cookery teacher, home economics teacher. And because of that, I hate cooking now.

C (9:37)

So interesting.

D (9:38)

It just as well I never became that teacher.

C (9:40)

Well, on a related note, though, because one of the themes here we've talked about really over the years is that work, life, balance, and no matter if you're seeing or you cook or you take care of penguins or many other things, just important that you find that your. Your thoughts are. Jenny?

E (9:57)

Yeah.

D (9:58)

So very, very near and dear to my heart right at the moment. I'm in recovery from quite a serious brain bleed back in June and I realized that I really don't have any hobbies because I have spent the last 30 years working and promoting supply chain management. And now every time I switch on the television, everyone's talking about supply chain management. You can't escape it. So I urge every single supply chain professional out there find a hobby now. So that should, God forbid, anything bad happen to you, you've got something that takes your mind off anything negative. You've got somewhere to escape to. You can sing like Angelina or you can walk on board with penguins, but find that hobby because it's just so important not to lose the passion for something other than your work.

C (10:58)

Well said, Greg. Well said. And there, there's one actionable. That's the first actual piece of advice you're going to get from this awesome panel here today. So, Jenny, well said and great to see you back up and Adam and doing what you do. So Jenny, Angelina and Lisa look forward to a great conversation here today. Now we got to get into business and supply chain. That's what we do. So before we start talking about the Africa supply chain excellence awards and the program and the opportunity in some of the winners like we got one here today, I want to get all of yalls observations on some of the top trends impacting supply chains really across the African continent. We can talk global if you'd like or you can talk different parts of Africa, different countries. As we all know is a continent field of wonderful nations and communities and traditions and people. So Lisa, I'm going to start with you. When you think of a couple of top trends or topics that that's front and center here today, at least maybe from your purview, what would you share with us?

E (11:59)

So for me, obviously something close to my heart with the portfolio I'm in is sustainability within supply chains. And I'm not talking financials, well, financial sustainability for sure, but definitely the impact of climate change and climate related weather on supply chains. I think it's become quite a risk. We've had a lot of hectic weather globally even from the beginning of this year. We have geopolitical issues potentially impacting our supply chains. And the resilience and the adaptability is essential now. And I think we're heading into a world where we're going to have a lot more disruptions and how we negotiate that, how do we move goods around if there's not enough fuel? What alternatives are there in order for us to transition to cleaner energy? That's really important and I think Africa has got a great advantage here in terms of leapfrogging already. What's happening in more developed nations and building starting off on a correct note, the role of technology is another massive game changer and that's evolving as time is continuing. But you know, we've got AI coming in now. What does that look like? We've got robots and warehouses. There's all sorts of exciting developments. But what does that mean for us? And I think especially in a continent such as Africa, what does that look like? What does it mean when a lot of households don't even have access to basic electricity and water? Water, you know, how do you navigate that and bring that into the supply chain? So those to me are two big game changers. I think technology will change a lot of things. And you know, just getting the fundamentals right, you know, there's some simple solutions that one can actually embed in supply chains, especially in African supply chains that might not be happening. Like a cold storage or cold chain solution which enables product to get to market in a better condition. Will enable the solution to be more sustainable. That needs to be focused on. So I think we shouldn't lose sight of getting those fundamentals right, getting those processes right. That's key critical as well lies on

C (14:09)

what a terrific macro view of so many things that, that of course are impacting supply chains across Africa, but every part of the world from technology to, to climate change to of course, how organizations are kind of trying to unlock the sustainability imperative that's out there. And I would argue that some folks may say that it's taking a back seat. I think a lot of leading organizations definitely not. It hasn't. Yeah. Liesel, also you mentioned of course, the fundamentals right. In this golden age of supply chain tech, there's still so many process and human driven fundamentals that could unlock big, big gains with any organization. So good stuff there. Liesl. Jenny, I want you get you to comment really quick for shift over to Angelina. Was your favorite observation there that we heard from Liesl?

D (15:02)

Yeah, I think everybody is immediately attracted to the bright blingy solution or the bright blingy process or we forget the fundamentals, we forget the basics. And I think especially here in, well, I'm talking from a South African perspective, but also an African perspective, there are so many basics that people don't even think are basics. And I know Angelina can talk more to that from the work that the community health worker has to do that village reach is such a great supporter of. They have to magic supply chain processes out of nothing, forget AI, forget anything. So there's, there's, there's a, a heap of fundamentals that we A mustn't forget and B the people part of that process is still phenomenally important.

C (15:57)

That's right, Jenny. That's right. And by the way, Angelina, I'm coming to you folks. Go run and go check out village reach.org and learn more about the mission that Jenny mentioned. It's a terrific, terrific organization. Angelina, same question. Trends that you're seeing impact your, your part of the world.

A (16:16)

Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Scott. So what I see supply chain across Africa at the turning point. We are moving away from seeing logistics as a transitional activity, simply moving good from point A to point B. But we are seeing towards viewing supply chain as a strategic system design. So this shift is very important because system determine outcome, right. When the structure improve, performance improve and when performance improves, slice improve. So we are seeing, for example, we are seeing the recognition that supply chain requires trained professionals, special community health workers. As James shared like governance framework, structured performance management. It is no longer an administrative afterthought. And we also see that government now are increasing, exploring private sector engagement, having structured public private partnership not as a shortcut, but as a strategic for efficiency and also cost transparency. I think one of the things also that I'm seeing more especially post Covid as part supply chain resilient is not understood as a national security. And in public health sector where I'm working, resilient is directly linked to equity. So it's a question of who received the medicine on time and who doesn't. So the biggest shift is that supply chain is now seen as a development accelerator, not just as one of the technical thing, but I think we are really moving in the right direction. And I just comment on what Lizzo said about the sustainability. It's not only environmentally, it's also about operational and financial. You know, it's not. It's a system system. If a system is sustainable when it comes, it can continue functionally effective over the time, even under pressure. It's very sustainable. And also as technology plays a big role right now she talks about AI, so digital tools can improve visibility, also strengthen focusing. But it needs to fit into the reality. It needs to make sense. So Africa is in the right direction, but we need to make sure that we have the right leadership, right mindset and the right culture and the right regulation and policy that allows to integrate these new beautiful things that are happening in supply chain.

C (18:38)

Angelina. Well said. A couple of my favorite parts there we heard there from Angelina. Jenny. It's really interesting to see some of the innovative relationships and partnerships between the public and the private sectors. Right. And Angelina and Village Reach has got lots of examples of that. Folks have to reach out. And then secondly, the holistic definition of sustainability. I think a lot of times as humans, our brain goes to various, certain portions of the sustainability equation just without even thinking. And I liked her very holistic thoughts there on what sustainability really means. Organizations. Your thoughts, Jenny?

D (19:15)

Yeah, I think that, you know, for me, sustainability has always been about the training of supply chain professionals and making sure that there is a constant pipeline of people who a know what the profession is and B, how to do it, no matter what industry or sector they decide to go into. Because without that then supply chain management is itself is not sustainable.

C (19:43)

Interesting. Jenny Froome. Liesel. Angelina. Jenny, Good stuff. All right, so I, I really wish we had a couple hours just to explore what all three of y' all shared in just your observations of industry. But we gotta celebrate the Africa Supply Chain Excellence Awards and I'M gonna. We're gonna get to the why first, and then we're gonna get. We're gonna celebrate Angelina's award as one of the winners last year, I believe. So let's start with the why first. Jenny, let's start with you, and then we'll get Liesel's take here. But when did the Ascea start and why did it start?

D (20:19)

So I blame Liesel de Vet entirely for this. Over t one day, she challenged me to partner with her in starting up Askia, as we affectionately call it, because supply chain management across Africa needs to be celebrated or excellence. And for me, that was, you know, at the time, working with Sapix and championing. Championing, you know, that word were all through constantly. It was a natural platform for us to progress to and to help set up. And from that moment, it has been such a privilege. And the judges that we work with, and I'm sure Lisa will talk more about them, but the experience I think we worked out, there's like 500 years worth of support supply chain experience between them. It's. It's outstanding. It's exceptional. And anybody who says old people can't bring things to the table doesn't know our job. Not that they're old, but the experience that they bring and the, the. The mentorship and the advice and just everything that they bring to these awards is absolutely outstanding. So. So five years ago, that's where it started. The why is because we wanted to celebrate supply chain excellence across the continent. And the how is by collaborating with really, really clever, exceptionally talented individuals who are as passionate about supply chain management in Africa as we are.

C (21:57)

Outstanding lies. Before I get your take here, I want to share this with folks, good folks. If you want to learn more about ascia, how about that Ascea? The Africa Supply Chain Excellence awards go to ascea.co.za or some folks say za. You can go find the URL and a wealth of information and nominate, nominate, nominate. Liesl, what would you add to that origin story that Jenny just shared?

A (22:27)

Just.

E (22:28)

I had a passion for supply chains. We just come out of COVID and we wanted to bring something back to the industry. We wanted to uplift. You know, the, the supply chains took a. A big knock under covert. And, you know, we wanted to give something back and look at Africa because Africa defines resilience. You know, there's a saying that Africa is not for sissies, and it's very true. You know, you. You need to know your stuff in Africa and simplistic supply chain or even a Complicated supply chain model looks very different than a European one, for example. And I wanted to celebrate that and we wanted to create something and one of our taglines is by the industry, for the industry, a culmination, a group of supply chain professionals who've been in the industry for many, many years getting together and saying, right, let's evaluate these entries. Let's see, you know, where they're, what they're excellent at. And then let's share the stories. Let's share the stories and the conversations to inspire and highlight things that worked well in this space. And I'm delighted that we five years down the track. I mean there were years there that I thought she's like, how are we going to keep this going? But it's just every year we get these most incredible entries in that are so inspiring. And it's one of my favorite things at the moment is to listen to some of these great supply chain stories. And that's why we do it.

C (23:56)

Lies. I love it. And clearly you and Jenny and the team approaches this as a, a project of passion and that comes across and how both of y' all spoke to it. So Angelina hearing that from Jenny and Liesl, you know, kind of the why, the how, the what and all that good stuff and the need I would add to that. What's your observations there, Angelina?

A (24:18)

So for me, I always say everyone loves me. I'm very passionate about supply chain. So for me, winning the Africa Supply Chain Excellence Award was not about the trophy. It means something because it shows that the work we do strengthening public health sectors, village reach truly matters. It was a recognition that new change is possible when we work together, when we improve our system in a structured and, and manage my way. And at the end of the day, supply chain for me is not about trucks. Well, it's about people. It's about whether a clinic has vaccine or children has vaccine. It's about whether mother can receive treatment or not. It's about trust in the health system. So this program, people, they really need to see that. It's just, it's beyond tools, processes. These are new people. These are the. This a program that really brings solution for Africa. And you wouldn't need to abras it.

C (25:19)

Angelina. You know, one of the things I heard there near response beyond. You know, there's certainly a big need to celebrate and recognize and, and you know, call time out for a second amongst all the work and leadership we do and celebrate. Those folks are making a, you know, that are driving industry forward. But one of the things I Heard in your response there. Angelina is the power to share these stories and these ideas and these outcomes and how and how they're generated with the rest of industry. So it helps to drive innovation no matter where again your organization may be or what industry you may be in. Angelina, is that one of the things you're communicating there?

A (25:59)

Yes, that's one thing that I want to communicate. And I also wanted also to say that the award reminded us that Africa has the talent and capability, you know, to design really strong solution. So what actually we need is discipline, courage and improve what is working with confidence in our own solution. So this program really bring the work that is being done talking from the Village Reach. When the system becomes clear, more organized, we'll save lives. Your planning progress, you control cost, benefits, beggar. But most important, you increase access, especially for the rural and underserved community. So for my personal that is why I do this work, because behind every distribution plan, behind every process, there are real people waiting.

C (26:48)

So clearly, Angelina Kumba and Village Reach are certainly one of our favorite winners in stories and organizations, doing great work, serving a noble mission. Ang and that really begs a question, Liesel and Jenny. And it's not a fair question because we'd be here all day talking about some of your favorite stories of winners and nominees over the years. But Liesel, I'm coming back to you first. What are a couple of those that you'd share that were some of your favorites?

E (27:15)

So I actually want to highlight two that are my favorites. The one was from SA Harvest. There's a lot of hungry people in South Africa, particularly, I mean, the number is quite staggering. I used to work for an NGO many years ago in my career. And then as they were talking about a million children go to bed hungry, now the numbers jumped to more than that. And it's quite, it's, it's significant. And they had a solution which used reverse logistics and also their own supply chain solution to feed over 100,000 meals a day. I mean, that's significant. And not only that, from an environmental perspective, by avoiding food to landfill, they saved about. I think the number here is 53,000 tons of carbon emissions avoidance to landfill. So it's a great story of not only addressing a societal need, but then also addressing an environmental need that came together using circular economy principles, which is great, such as reverse logistics. My second one is we have a university here called the University of Stellenbosch, and they partnered with a EV bike company called Rome and created a bike. And they actually traveled from Nairobi from Salembosch to Nairobi on this bike and charged along the way with solar charging power and looked at that micro grid of EV bikes and it's so exciting and how they could carry loads because it's amazing what happens on bikes, especially within the African context, the type of things they move, even livestock and a lot of wood and heavy stuff like that. And they tested it out on the bikes and they got to meet the communities they drove through. In fact, they're actually going to be doing a documentary on, on this trip and this journey, but it was done by, by students and very exciting, you know, testing that and partnering. Understanding how they run in these kind of conditions, maybe with a road infrastructure is not as good as what it could be. And I really love that it's not. It's a cleaner alternative. So that was a great story as well.

C (29:20)

Love both of those. And there's many, many more where those two came from and where Angelina came from. So folks, again, you'll have to plug in. And Jenny, again, it's an unfair question, but a couple of your favorites that come to mind. And by the way, I should just check in with you. That University of Stellenbosch that Liesl mentioned is a term of endearment there, Is it, Steli? Is that what I've heard you say earlier?

A (29:42)

Is that right?

D (29:44)

All right.

C (29:44)

So Jenny, I love that we love nicknames around here. What's a couple of your favorite stories? Winners, you name it.

D (29:51)

So for me and, and I still call myself a non supply chain person because I've never been in the thick of it. I know running an event is equivalent to supply chain management, but it's not the real nuts and bolts of it. But there have been so many different ones over the five years and they're all actually on the website. So if you want to take a look, anybody who's listening, who is interested, they really are. And they range from railway improvements, which is critical especially in our country and across Africa, to the manufacture of explosives, to the oil and gas and all those industries that we traditionally equate with supply chain management and supply chain management efficiencies. My particular heartfelt favorite from last year, was it last year? No, year before, sorry, was the Luke foundation, the Luke Commission, which is an organization in Eswatini, formerly Swaziland. And they were exceptionally badly hit during COVID They run a hospital and they call their patients they very, very important. They're VIPs and they just do everything with compassion. And their supply chains on all levels, not only are they Life saving the whole drone deliveries that have had a fantastic result in black mamba snakebite deaths by getting the antivenom people quickly in difficult situations. But also when during COVID they couldn't import oxygen because they imported from South Africa, what did they do? They built an oxygen manufacturing plant. And you know, that for me is just so symbolic of what we were talking about with African supply chains and resilience. And so that one definitely, I mean long before the awards hearing their story was quite amazing and sadly, as a result of the funding cuts, etc. They've had a particularly hard time of it. But again, going back to resilience and passion and commitment, they continue to do the work that they were put there to do. And I'm full of admiration for everything that they do, but also what supply chain professionals do in general and to be able to have a platform like the Askia is just so exceptional. And I'm hopeful that we can shine the light, brightly, brightly on Addis Ababa Airport at the moment that is going to be taking so much flak from Dubai, so not flack so much of the load from Dubai and from Doha and people will hopefully understand what an amazing hub it actually is that I think that, you know, if we're going to try and find positives out of negatives, looking closely at supply chain solutions is definitely one that can do that.

C (33:08)

Well said. I completely agree. And I want to go back to the Luke Commission. We enjoyed meeting. I think it was Echo. Echo Vanderwalde. Yeah. So folks, if you want to learn more about the Luke Commission and the incredible work they're doing Eswatini and probably through the region, you can go to lukecommission.org and if you're in position to donate and help support the mission, please do. Okay, so Angelina, just want to get your quick comment. We heard some great stories there from Liesl and Jenny, some of their faves and, and there's so many. And folks you have to go to the website to learn more. But Angelina, what stood out to you? What would you love about their stories there?

A (33:46)

So these are your stories called these are your stories will inspire experience and it really shows that you know, with love and passion and working together, you know, as a continent, as a country, we can really come up with solutions that can easily help our community without putting burden into the system. That's why I was saying from, if you hear me from my comment when I was like one of the things that we need to I give like if you add advice to the Leadership, I'll say leadership really requires the confidence to examine the existing systems and ask whether they are fit for the today's reality. Many of our system, we are designing different contents under different constraints. As environment evolves, leaders must also be willing to adapt and improve them and respectfully and collaborative, of course. So it's really very important that we see supply chain is a life saving, living and breathing.

C (34:51)

Right?

E (34:52)

Yeah.

A (34:53)

Yes, yes. So, so strong supply chain really depends on a consistent attention to day to day data that helps to make decision performance. What is working, what is not working? Like you ask yourself, you know, when you're designing a process or a strategy, you ask yourself very practical question like who is responsible when something goes wrong, where the delays usually happen, who cares the risk when performance is weak and what happens when the donor funding ends. So everything that Lizzie and Jane was saying, it really speaks volume. And we really need to think outside the box because if those basic questions are not cleared, are not answered, problem repeat itself. But we are seeing that most of the companies and organizations last organization I didn't thinking outside the box is the story that Jen shared really tells us that we just need to breathe and really think and we can find a solution together.

C (35:49)

Completely agree and you know, challenge all assumptions. You know, there's several things there in your response, but you know, there's Ron Popeil was a famous American infomercial king and he came up with a variety of products over the years. And one of his trademark phrases that I've talked about a lot because it was in. In part my upbringing was he had this device where he'd cook chicken in a rotisserie and his cat, his tagline was set it and forget it, meaning the chicken would have a timer, all that stuff. Well, I've always thought about that in supply chain terms, especially here in the modern age where there's very little when it comes to supply chain management that we can set it and forget it. And that kind of goes to one of the themes you're talking about there, Angelina. All right, so. And rest in peace. One Dear Ron Popil. All right, so let's do this. I want to share a couple images because you folks, you need to get a kind of a look and feel. There's lots of energy and love and passion. And I'm gonna share a couple pictures, I think from 2024. I think y' all correct me if I'm wrong here, but lots of hey, enjoying Angelina, did you cook any of that?

E (36:59)

No.

A (36:59)

I'd love to.

C (37:00)

I'd like to but no, I'm only kidding. Only kidding. I know your, your passion for all things culinary, but lots of kindred spirits, lots of collaboration, lots of camaraderie and fellowship. And you were talking about lights, Jenny man, look at the lights, the spectrum of lights in that gorgeous room there. And we want to just encourage folks, this is what you're going to find at the top when you venture over to ascea.co.za z a celebrating Africa's supply chain excellence by the industry for the industry. And entries are currently open. They're all due April 30th, if I've got that right. So that's just a month and some change by the time this publishes a month and a half months away. So act now.

E (37:51)

Okay.

C (37:52)

I felt like Ron Popil there a little bit. Lisa, Liesl and Jenny and Angelina channeling my inner infomercial maybe. So Lisa, I'll circle back to you and I want to talk about what's new for ASCEA in 2026. What comes to mind? Liesl?

E (38:13)

Well, we definitely getting a higher standard of entry than what we got before and earlier, which is great. You know, usually it's like a last minute dot com, everything comes flying towards the end. But we're seeing a really higher level of entry now, which is, which is exciting. So I'm looking forward to that. We've also got some new sponsors on board, which is exciting. And we've got a new headline sponsor called Newlyn. They're a property group in warehousing, etc. And we're very excited to have them on board. So that's really going to help us a lot. So really excited about, about these things. And actually, you know, with Jenny and the team, it's, we really are looking at taking the awards to just the next level up. We can feel there's a shift, a level up shift and looking forward to sharing the new stories with everyone from the new world entrance. But I'm really excited about the future. I think Africa is a lot of business opportunities and it's growing at a rapid rate and we great that we on the forefront of that growth moving forward.

C (39:19)

Lisa Lovett, Lots of things to be excited about. And Jenny, man, the, the competition gets tougher and tougher. Your, your thoughts on what's new this year?

D (39:30)

Yeah, I, for me, I think it's the understanding of supply chain management that is new. Every news item that you listen to, somebody's supply chain is being affected or disrupted or something. So more and more people are realizing, oh, hang on, I actually am doing what they're talking about. So there's a lot of free advertising, if you like, because five years ago or before COVID actually Covid was probably our greatest advert, was that people didn't know what supply chain management was. Now they know more. And it's not just when it doesn't work. They know about it. They're actually starting to question it and value it now. And I think that, that, that for me is what's new as a result of which there are lots of different people talking about lots of different elements of supply chain. And I think that, you know, to be able to hold our heads up and say we celebrate end to end supply chain management is what makes me very, very proud. And I think that that's something that the judges have instilled in us is that it doesn't matter what industry it comes from. They're judging the supply chain and the end results. And I think that's what, what really we go into 2026 with that at front of mind.

C (40:57)

Love that, Jenny. And you know, some folks will say end to end supply chain is a phrase that has long gone. I, I disagree. I think for me, it kind of illustrates some of the points you're making. And you know, it's also interesting at the same time, I think the, the phrase supply chain also continues to evolve. Right. Generations ago, really. A lot of folks would argue it really meant to just the logistics and the movement. Not just logistics in the movement. Right. Transportation. But I love how it's grown to be much more holistic, which is one of the themes in your response here, Jenny, Angelina, I will get you to weigh in. So first off, are you ready to repeat? Because it sounds like the competition has up to Annie, Jane, Angelina, you up to the task though, right?

A (41:42)

I would love to, but let me give chance to adults because I've learned a lot. It was very like one of the educational process through this with the judges, like preparing you, give you and to really help you to see things in different angles. So it was really an interesting process and I recommend people to participate, special women to participate in this program. So, yeah, regarding that, I'm. Fortunately not this time because I'm still really processing all the learnings that I got from the last event. So it was very, very interesting event and I really recommend people to join.

C (42:22)

Love it. Angelina, I thought you were going to start a dynasty of winning seven years in a row or something. You can do it. I know, but, but getting aside, I really appreciate your. Your comment there about learning and, and you know, there's so many. Whether it's the ASCEA or whether it's these developments that we see non stop. There's so much we can learn and apply. Leadership wise, supply chain management wise, you name it. And I love your call out there. Hey Jenny and Liesl, really quick, I want to double check a couple critical details. So April 30th is when the cutoff is a deadline is for nominees. Right. So. So folks, correct. Get the work for nominees. And I should have read the the details earlier but is there a high level? Not restriction, but is there a high level. These are the African Supply Chain Excellence Awards. Where do organizations need to be based? I guess Liesl.

E (43:21)

Africa.

C (43:21)

Okay, all right.

E (43:24)

That is one of our requirements because otherwise would not be true to the name. But projects in Africa, headquartered in Africa. That's, that would be perfect.

C (43:34)

Okay. So can it. So international organizations that have it as long as they have an operation or a footprint across.

A (43:43)

Yes.

C (43:43)

Okay, great. So really that's, I love the focus and also it's open to a lot of folks. So folks get those entries in the dinner. Jenny, Aug 19 I believe the gala where you celebrate the winners, is that right?

D (43:59)

Yes, that's right. And it's in happening. I was just going to say one of those examples would be Books for Africa. That one thanks to your introduction, Scott. And that's an organization based in the US but what they do to enable people to have access to books, thousands of books all around Africa is absolutely a supply chain of note. So you know, they entered, they won, they do incredible work. But I still, I go back to the, to the other industries as well. We've got lots of humanitarian examples because obviously the, those are the ones that I think we can all relate to. But there are some other outstanding industrial supply chain stories that are of equal if. Yeah. Equal importance.

E (44:54)

We also looking for projects and case studies. So we're not looking for individuals. We want the supply chain story. So either the end to end or the project or whatever component it is, but it has to be a proper case study or project within the supply chain or the entire end to end supply chain.

C (45:16)

That makes sense. That makes sense. And all these details and guidelines of course are can be found at the website again A S C E A CO CA and going back to what Jenny comment about Books for Africa, you can learn more great nonprofit books for africa.org Fatima Lawson and my friend Patrick Plonsky and of course the board leadership doing great work there and celebrating a long legacy of giving forward. Okay so Open for sponsors, open for nominees, open for supporters. If you're on the fence about whether or not you can support what's going on, reach out to Jenny and Liesl. I'm sure they'll find a way to get you plugged in. All right, so Angelina, I'm going to start with you on this next question you've already given us. You've already answered this question, I think numerous times, but I'm going to circle back again because I really enjoy your perspective. So when it comes to leadership's been a big theme here today. It usually is, yeah. When it comes to critical elements of supply chain leadership that really fuels organizational excellence and performance and winners at the a, at ascia, what's one or two things that come to mind? Angelina?

A (46:27)

So a couple of things come in mind, right? So I believe that first, leadership requires the confidence to examine the existing system and ask whether they are still fit for today's reality. As I said, many of our systems were designed in different contexts and under different constraints, right? As environment involved, it is very important for our leaders to really understand that and to adapt to the new new reality. And one of the things that I also like to say is supply chain leadership is not only about, as I said, transport and warehouse. It requires understanding the financial flow like regulatory environment, policy constraints, again, private, private sector engagement and community level reality. All these elements are interconnected. So it's very, very important. But the last point that I think is very, very important, SCOT is ownership. And perhaps most important, leaders must prioritize building local capacity, right? Our last mile community health workers, our frontline people are crucial, especially in the public health sector. So when you are saying sustainable excellence cannot be really indefinite on external support, long term resilience, you know, comes with system like local owned and local manage continually strengthen, you know, our African personalistic professionals. So for me truly sustainability comes when, as Jen said, capacity embedded within our national system. So our leaders need to make sure that they understand that these are different times. Supply chain is no longer the same supply chain. Hundred years ago we didn't need to take a step back and say to our system, okay, what should we need to do? What need to change and make sure that we create the local capacity that can be able to respond to the new environment in aging things that are coming right now, new generation must be ready for these challenges. So our supply chain needs to be ready, but needs to start with the leadership. Leadership need to have the right mindset, the right understanding, the right culture to be able to address this New reality.

C (48:41)

What a masterclass response. And two of the many elements there, ecosystem level views. Right. Of the so many, so many stakeholders that make up global supply chains as living organisms. Right. And then secondly, ownership, the power of ownership. Angelina, we heard her stress that is so, so important. Liesel, that's going to be tough to add to that. A thought provoking answer from Angelina. But Liesel, when it comes to supply chain leadership, in your view, that drives excellence and performance. Thoughts, Your thoughts?

E (49:19)

Continuous improvements is a big one. And continuous improvement built on solid foundation. I think all those iterations of continuous improvement are essential to find that operational excellence in your business. That's very important. And the other one is also linking to that is one of my favorite quotes from Marcus Aurelius who he says what does not benefit the hive does not benefit the bee. So we all living in this ecosystem, we all interconnected and I think looking at just one part is very limiting. You do have to look at the whole end to end solution and I see it specifically also in sustainability. You know, you may have one part where you've got all this eco friendly packaging and you've got solar on your roof and you're doing everything great, but further down the supply chain, it's not great. Or further up the supply chain where you're getting your raw materials from is not as green or energy efficient as what it should be. And so that has an implications. So you can't just be excellent in this batch. You got to look at the whole entire chain to be excellent. And the role and importance of connections and people. I think that's often overlooked.

C (50:36)

I agree with you largely. And also I'm still stuck on the B thing. I love that phrase, Jenny. I think Liesel said if it's not good for the hive, it's not good for the B. And that is such a, a great phrase. A new one for me. And by the way, we got to save our bees out there. We're having. So that's a whole different. But Jenny, comment, comment if you would, on what we heard from Angelina and Liesel on leadership. What, what's the most important you do you think in their responses there?

D (51:09)

I think that these days leaders are not necessarily the traditional leading from the front, but there are multiple leaders who lead the small parts of the hive, if you like. And to Liesel's point, it goes back to collaboration and community. And I think all four of us here today are absolute examples of how through that we are able to put on something as amazing as the Africa specific supply Chain Excellence Award. And we're also able to have such a well informed discussion now because we've got a great community and that global community is leadership in itself and we need to just keep that going. That's so important.

C (51:59)

I'm with you, Jenny. I'm with you. And no matter how, for all of us, no matter how small or how big your contribution is to keep it going, as Jenny mentioned, everyone has a role. And you know, one of my favorite phrases, Jenny, we've talked about this before is, you know, if you want to know how you move mountains is through millions of small nudges, right? And each of those nudges is very, very important. So great stuff. Jenny Froome, Angelina Kumba and Liesel de Vet. I'm gonna, I want to ask each of y', all, I want to make sure folks are going to connect with you on anything you shared here today on how you might can collaborate or, or celebrate your collective success and how you're helping to change industry. Liesel, let's start with you. How can folks connect with anything you're doing and connect with you?

E (52:47)

I think the best is via LinkedIn. I have a very active LinkedIn page and I think that's the best way to connect with, with the global community as well. And that's exciting. And then just to add that, Scott, I think passion with purpose is exceptionally important. You can be passionate about something, but if you don't translate that into a purpose and doing, you're not going to move the needle. And that's just one message I'd really love to leave with your listeners today.

C (53:16)

Yeah, I love that you're not gonna move the needle or the mountain if you don't activate and funnel and channel that passion into action and purpose, as you put it. Angelina, good stuff. How can folks connect with you, my friend?

A (53:35)

Yes. So as you said, the easiest way is LinkedIn. You can find me Angelina Kumba link or you can just email me@angelina kumba village.org and I'd like just to say to the folks out there, Africa does not like talenting supply chain. What we also like is a structured platform, you know, to showcase our excellence. So Africa supply chain excellence plays a critical role, you know, in changing that narrative. So we need more African case studies, more African owned reforms and more cross country learnings. So that's what I can leave with the folks right now. Thank you so much.

C (54:14)

That is outstanding. Angelina, I got to ask you before I circle back to Jenny because I should ask this earlier on the front end but you mentioned your love for gospel music. Is there one gospel song that comes to mind that really has leadership elements to it or one of your favorite songs to sing Angelina?

A (54:37)

Oh, me?

C (54:38)

Yes.

E (54:38)

Yes.

A (54:39)

Oh, I thought, I thought.

C (54:44)

What's one of your favorite songs, gospel songs to sing Angelina?

A (54:50)

I have many, but the favorite one that I listen every day in the morning, it's from. Who's that? Okay, the one is from Hillsongs. Yeah, I am. And I like it. And from Tammy, man, also, here I am. So it's really, it's one of those songs that just bust your heart and you can deal with anything every, any day. Anyone or anything. Yes.

C (55:17)

I need to sing that song every morning. Be ready for the day. I love that. Angelina. All right, so we're gonna have you back and we're gonna dive deeper into all things music and culinary stuff. Jenny. Great. And, and Angelina, we put it out there. You know, connect with Angelina and Liesl via LinkedIn also.

A (55:36)

Yeah.

C (55:37)

Encourage folks to go check out Village Reach to learn more about the mission they're doing. And you know, they can use your support as well. So go check that out, folks. Thank you, Angelina Kumba. All right, so Jenny from, thank you for facilitating a great conversation here today. Great to reconnect with Liesel and Angelina. How can folks connect with you on anything you're. You mentioned here today and anything that you're, you're driving out in industry.

D (56:05)

So LinkedIn, obviously, I'm very active on that and I'm most active in following, liking and supporting Scott Lewton on LinkedIn as I got my, my badge from LinkedIn. But yeah, LinkedIn's the best, the best way. And, and I think the next one we need to do is we need to do a sing along supply chain sing along and we'll have Angelina as our, as our, as our mc.

C (56:34)

I love that. I love that you know that we gotta have the happy hour when they hear it. We're gonna do it. We're gonna do that. So stick. Stay tuned, folks. And, and, and kidding aside, Jenny Froome, appreciate all that you do out there, all three of y', all really. But Jenny, great to have you back. Jenny, Liesel and Angelina, big thanks to all three of y', all folks. Again, please check out the Africa Supply chain Excellence Awards 2026. It's our fifth year anniversary. Doing great things, celebrating incredible leaders like Angelina and, and the great work that she and her organization have been doing. And as you heard here, the stories are endless. Right. But entries close April 30th so go get those in and and support the program however you can. Big thanks to all of our wonderful panel here today. Big thanks as always. Jenny Froome, always a pleasure to collaborate with you. To our Supply Chain Now Global fam. I hope you enjoyed this conversation. Support these awards and if you can't support these awards, go find awards in your neck of the woods and support the stories that help innovate our industry. Right. And transform the industry and leave no one behind. And with that note, you know your homework, right? I bet Jenny knows the homework that that we issue all the time here. You gotta take one thing from Liesl or Angelina or Jenny Froome, share it with your team, take your passion into purpose as Liesel mentioned, and do something with it. Right? Deeds, not words. That's how we are going to move those mountains through all those millions of nudges. And with all that said, Scott Luden, challenging all of our listeners out there, do good, give forward, be the change that's needed. And we'll see you next time right back here on Supply Chain Now. Thanks everybody.

B (58:19)

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