1 LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)

Summary

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Surrounded – Episode 1: LGBTQ+ Activist vs 25 Conservatives (ft. Zander Moricz)

Date: March 1, 2026
Host: Jubilee Media

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Overview

In the premiere of Surrounded, LGBTQ+ activist and Sea Alliance executive director Zander Moricz sits down—alone—against a rotating panel of 25 conservatives ranging from skeptical parents and faith leaders to young political activists. The format is a relentless, one-on-one debate, with Zander facing fresh challengers as soon as he’s voted out by the majority for each round. The episode’s central topics include claims of “grooming,” gender-affirming care for youth, the societal impact of LGBTQ+ acceptance, and the intersection of LGBTQ+ rights, Christianity, and American values.

The environment is intentionally direct, occasionally confrontational, but aims for depth, clarity, and, where possible, common ground.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. What Counts as “Grooming” and Who’s Responsible?

[00:36], [01:36], [02:15], [03:33], [07:01]

• Zander’s Opening Claim:
  Zander turns the typical “groomer” accusation back, arguing that high-profile conservatives like Trump and Musk exert more influence over youth—through rhetoric, media, and social platforms—leading to documented upticks in bullying and negative behaviors.

  • "Donald Trump's rhetoric has specifically been linked to bullying cases in elementary, middle, and high school… in communities that have a 10-point increase in support for Donald Trump, there’s an 8% increase in bullying." ([04:44] - Zander)

• Pushback & Re-definition:
  Conservatives challenge Zander’s definition, asserting grooming is inherently about sexual exploitation, while Zander insists it's broader—any attempt from a position of influence to manipulate youth for exploitative ends, including cults and terror groups.

  • "I would say that grooming is someone with a position of influence over another person attempting to change their thought patterns or behavior to exploit them." ([02:15] - Zander)

• Debate Over Influence:
  The panel charges that LGBTQ+ activism itself is “influencing” children toward being queer or trans. Zander refutes this with reference to scientific consensus, noting that more LGBTQ+ visibility allows closeted kids to come out, not “convert.”

  • "No one's trying to influence the children except Donald Trump and Elon Musk." ([03:30] - Zander)

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2. Gender-Affirming Care: Stats, Science, and Society

[03:49], [08:01], [18:07], [19:19], [25:35], [26:03], [27:34], [28:39], [30:31], [73:48]

• Common Claims:
  Conservatives focus on the assertion that children are undergoing irreversible medical transitions, including puberty blockers and surgery, far too young, and often without proper oversight. Specific drugs, studies, and statistics (like the “Swedish,” “Oxford,” and “Cast Review” studies) are cited to allege harm.

• Zander’s Response:

  • Refutes the “chemical castration” narrative, clarifies that puberty blockers are mostly reversible and used in a very small percentage (0.01%) of youths, typically with significant medical and parental oversight ([27:34]).
  • Emphasizes that regret rates are low (~1%) and most often due to social stigma, not the medical intervention itself ([27:34]).
  • Argues that acceptance and access to care lower suicide and depression rates among trans youth ([34:03]).
  • "There are 0.01% of young Americans receiving non-reversible gender affirming care. And in 90% of those cases, that was life saving care." ([03:49] - Zander)

• Disagreement on Regret Statistics and Safety:
  Conservative guests cite higher regret/detransition rates and international restrictions as evidence against the safety of gender-affirming care, while Zander points to methodological flaws, bias, or ideological agenda in these studies.

  • "Not all studies are run well… What I am saying is the largest global medical organizations unanimously agree that queer and transgender affirming care..." ([74:44] - Zander)

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3. LGBTQ+ Acceptance vs. Societal Harm and Parental Rights

[14:09], [21:14], [34:03], [35:16], [36:51], [38:04], [41:08], [53:21]

• Conservative Concerns:
  Concerns about “the plus” (LGBTQ+), fears of the “normalization” of pedophilia, and discomfort with increased talks and books on gender diversity in schools. There’s frequent anxiety expressed that acceptance “confuses” children or erodes traditional family structures.

• Zander’s Data-Driven Rebuttal:

  • Cites studies showing that LGBTQ+ acceptance correlates with lower youth suicide, depression, and anxiety—asserting that the risk of harm comes from rejection, not affirmation.
  • "When we support and affirm LGBTQ acceptance, depression rates, anxiety rates, and suicidality rates go down significantly. 60%. 60% is the rate of change..." ([34:03] - Zander)
  • Aggressively disputes that discussions of gender or sexual diversity "turn" or "recruit" children, calling it an unfounded and disproven myth.
  • "[D]iscussing queer and trans identities, putting queer trans identities on TV… [does not] change children’s minds or identities." ([14:09] - Zander)

• Notable Moments:

  • "Teaching hatred harms people, teaching people not to accept people harms people. But teaching about LGBTQ identities saves lives." ([38:04] - Zander)
  • "If someone is leading a life of destruction, love is telling the truth, even when it’s hard to hear." ([54:19] - Conservative Christian Opponent—counterpoint to Zander’s affirming stance)

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4. LGBTQ+ Rights, Christianity, and the American Ethos

[39:37], [46:10], [50:52], [55:01], [77:13], [80:32]

• Major Framing Debate:
  Is being pro-LGBTQ+ anti-Christian or anti-American, or is rejecting LGBTQ+ equal rights itself anti-Christian and anti-American?

• Zander’s Position:
  Christianity, properly understood, is about love, grace, and evolving wisdom—old interpretations led to dreadful outcomes (slavery, misogyny); new understandings lead to greater inclusion. America, Zander says, is founded on liberty and inclusion, not the forced conformity of the majority.

  • "Anti-LGBTQ policies inherently contradict the fundamental values of Americanism and Christianity." ([42:54] - Zander)

• Conservative Counter:
  Multiple guests maintain that there are moral and scriptural absolutes, and that Christian tradition and scripture clearly oppose same-sex relationships. The episode features debates over the translation and context of biblical passages, historical religious interpretation, and the line between sin and love.

  • "Participating in homosexual acts is inherently not loving because it's damaging. It violates natural law." ([56:24] - Conservative Christian Opponent)

• Bible and Historical Arguments:

  • Zander: The Bible is misinterpreted, and Jesus called for new understanding and not strict legalism.
    • "God’s word is perfect, but man’s understanding of it is not… Jesus came to earth and said, do not follow the Bible like a law. Use it as a loving, graceful practice." ([51:59] - Zander)
  • Moderator/Host: Progressive Christianity is influenced by modern politics, not ancient doctrine.
    • "There is a centralized authority, thousands of years’ worth of tradition, and a consistent understanding…" ([77:13] - Moderator)
  • The debate draws several biblical and theological lines, with both sides citing scripture for support.

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5. Drag Queen Story Hour, Book Bans, and Propaganda

[11:10], [44:17], [58:51], [63:02]

• Drag Queen Controversy:

  • Conservatives often see drag queen story hours as “sexualized” or inappropriate. Zander frames drag as fundamentally theatrical, equating drag queens at story hours to clowns or children’s entertainers.
  • "A drag queen at a story hour is more like a birthday party clown than anything else... They have fun hair, fun makeup, fun shoes, fun outfit." ([11:12] - Zander)
  • No significant incidents of sexual misconduct tied to drag story hours have been documented ([44:17]).

• Book Bans as a Slippery Slope:

  • "Every civilization that’s ever started banning books turned into a fascist regime… the majority of banned books discuss queer, trans, black, and brown identities." ([64:00] - Zander)
  • Conservative panelists argue for parental control and age restrictions in schools, while Zander defends age-appropriate, but inclusive, diverse materials.

• “Both Sides Propaganda” Argument:

  • Some panelists call out the media’s heavy focus on LGBTQ+ representation as its own propaganda, to which Zander responds that visibility “saves lives,” and inclusivity is not the moral equivalent of exclusion ([62:09]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "There are over 1,000 species... Your body is not [un]loved to have queer relationships." ([00:06] - Zander)

• "No one's trying to influence the children except Donald Trump and Elon Musk." ([03:30] - Zander)

• "If people were actually chemically castrating young Americans, I would also be freaking out… but that is not happening." ([03:50] - Zander)

• "Teaching hatred harms people… But teaching about LGBTQ identities saves lives." ([38:04] - Zander)

• "Jesus Christ incarnated not to tell us ‘follow the Bible,’ but to help us understand it better." ([46:41] - Zander)

• "There is a medical consensus."
  “You have doctors who disagree. That by definition means there’s no medical consensus.”
  (illustrative exchange on science and consensus, [08:01])

• "Book bans are worse than drag queens reading books… Every civilization that has ever… [banned] books turned into a fascist regime." ([64:00] - Zander)

• "Love is an action word. Love is showing care for other human beings in a sustainable, true way." ([81:33] - Zander)

• "Your position is that Christianity means 'come as you are, stay as you are.' That is fundamentally not true." ([83:50] - Moderator)

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Timestamps – Important Segments

• [00:36] — Zander redefines “grooming,” levels claim against Trump and Musk
• [03:49] — Debate on castration, medical care for trans youth
• [14:09] — Explaining why LGBTQ discussions do not “make” kids queer or trans
• [21:02] — Shifting focus: Gun violence, healthcare, and LGBTQ as #1 threats to youth
• [27:34] — Regret rates, parental rights, and details of youth transition protocols
• [34:03] — Data on affirmation and mental health outcomes
• [39:37] — Are anti-LGBTQ policies anti-Christian or anti-American?
• [51:47] — Bible interpretation—old vs. new, misinterpretation of homosexuality
• [58:51] — Book bans vs. drag queen story hours
• [64:00] — Implications of book bans for democracy; fascism warning
• [77:13] — 10-minute debate: is LGBTQ+ inclusive theology a “misunderstanding” of Christianity?

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Episode Tone and Dynamics

• Zander’s style is unapologetically direct, data-driven, and often deflects rhetorical and moral arguments with statistical and medical references.
• Conservative participants shift between personal concern (for their children, faith, and society), skepticism of progressive claims, and sharp, sometimes emotional, challenges to Zander.
• Moderator frequently re-centers the discussion and occasionally pushes back against “both sides” arguments, while maintaining a generally even-handed tone.
• Conversations repeatedly circle back to evidence, consensus, and conflicting definitions—showing the vast gap in perception, priorities, and epistemology between Zander and his challengers.

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Conclusion: Building Bridges—Or Exposing Chasms?

The episode ends on a note of cautious optimism, with Zander emphasizing the value of direct engagement and the importance of shared goals—protecting children, building safer communities, and pursuing truth—even as “we just have to close the gap.” The definition of truth, evidence, and safety, however, remains fervently contested.

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For Listeners: Takeaways

• This episode is a masterclass in the intractability—and necessity—of dialogue across ideological divides.
• Data, experience, and faith all matter—but are wielded differently depending on worldviews.
• The show promises (and mostly delivers) deep, raw debate, free from echo chambers and platitudes—ideal for the curious or those hoping to understand “the other side.”

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Listen or watch the episode on Jubilee Media’s platforms. For more challenging debates, subscribe to Surrounded every Sunday.

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Transcript

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Participating in homosexual acts is inherently not loving because it's damaging. It violates natural law.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

It doesn't violate natural law. There are over 1000 species. Your body is not loved to have queer relationships.

[Moderator / Host]

From Jubilee Media, this is surrounded, where one brave soul faces a room full of disagreers. Today's guest is an LGBTQ activist, Xander Morix. He is the executive director of Sea alliance, and today he will be debating 25 conservatives. Xander will debate the conservative conservatives one on one until they are voted out by their peers and replaced by someone new. Let's get into it.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

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[Conservative Debater]

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[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

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[Conservative Christian Opponent]

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[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

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[Faith-Based Parent]

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[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

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[Conservative Christian Opponent]

fees and boosting fees still apply.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

See website for details. My first claim is Donald Trump and Elon Musk are grooming more young Americans than the LGBTQ community. Can we agree that grooming is bad and should be punished?

[Moderator / Host]

Um, yeah.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Okay.

[Conservative Debater]

Lit.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

What I would say is that Donald Trump and Elon Musk used their positions of influence over young Americans to change the way hundreds of thousands of young Americans think and behave throughout elementary, middle, and high schools, which has been documented, studied, and proven to increase bullying and harm. It infringes on parental consent.

[Skeptical Conservative]

I disagree. I think that what they are trying to do is not grooming, but trying to.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Let's define grooming. We should start by doing that.

[Moderator / Host]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I would say that grooming is someone with a position of influence over another person attempting to change their thought patterns or behavior to exploit them. Would you agree?

[Skeptical Conservative]

Right.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

What I would say is that Donald Trump and Elon Musk are proven to have been doing that with elementary, middle, and high school children by sending targeted ads to youth demographics, accessing the rhetoric on social media and what studies have shown, studies of tens of thousands of teachers reported incidents, school reports, hundreds of disciplinary reports sent to studies have proven that there's increase in bullying in places where Donald Trump.

[Skeptical Conservative]

I think they have a plan.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Well, let me finish this really quickly. It's important to note that there have been thousands of cases of Donald Trump's rhetoric being linked specifically to bullying incidents that have been done by elementary schoolers, middle schoolers and high schoolers who all said that they felt vindicated in their actions because Donald Trump, the president, told them that it was okay. And what we're also seeing is that in communities that have a 10 point increase in support for Donald Trump, there's an 8% increase in bullying. And the reason that this is unique is this has never happened in politics before. It hasn't mattered, Republican or Democrat. It's specifically Donald Trump and Elon Musk working to change the minds of young Americans. And they're doing it for exploitative gain. Right? Exploitive.

[Skeptical Conservative]

I think that we are tired. We're tired of, of the left or the LGBT community. We're tired of them trying to influence the children as well.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

No one's trying to influence the children except Donald Trump and Elon Musk.

[Moderator / Host]

No, no, no. They're trying to influence the children.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

So the LGBTQ community is not trying to influence children. They're trying to save children's lives.

[Skeptical Conservative]

I disagree.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

You can't disagree without fact.

[Skeptical Conservative]

Otherwise, talk about castration. That's not saving lives. That's not saving lives.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Okay.

[Skeptical Conservative]

That's not saving lives.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I want to break that down because it's a scary concept. If people were actually chemically castrating young Americans, I would also be freaking out. I would also have problems. But when we work with the medical professionals, when we talk to the psychologists, when we work with the families, we see that that is not happening. We see that that's not happening. There are 0.01% of young Americans that are receiving non reversible gender affirming care. And in 90% of those cases, that was life saving care. That is life saving care. Tragedies happening.

[Moderator / Host]

Let's talk about society as a whole.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Ok. Do more people regret their gender affirming care, or do they regret knee surgery, hip replacement, Lasik eye surgery?

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Let's pause.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

We've been voted out by the majority.

[Moderator / Host]

Okay, so your claim is Donald Trump and Elon Musk are doing more grooming, Right?

[Conservative Debater]

Yes.

[Moderator / Host]

Than LGBT activists.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

100% do you want to hear more about why?

[Moderator / Host]

Sure.

[Conservative Debater]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Okay. Amazing. So Donald Trump's rhetoric has specifically been linked to bullying cases in elementary, middle, and high school. What we see are also that Donald Trump and Elon Musk are working in tandem to access young people through their phone screens. Donald Trump and Elon Musk work to reduce Twitter protections. And we saw the firing of staff that worked to specifically set children's guidelines. We now see about one quarter of young people that are online are on Twitter and they're accessing media because also the algorithm has been changed to make sure that Elon Musk content and far right content are boosted by about 1,000%. And that's been measured by a variety of studies. And so our young Americans, while they're on their phones without parental supervision, are absorbing rhetoric that psychologists have measured to be damaging not only to their minds, but to their peers minds. So we've specifically seen hundreds of cases in over 20 states that bullying has increased as a result of Donald Trump and Elon Musk's rhetoric. There was an incident, and it was heartbreaking, where one student was bullied so severely that they attempted suicide because they kept being told, donald Trump says you need to leave. Donald Trump says you are illegal. And it is a heartbreaking, devastating truth because these young minds are not voters. This has nothing to do with the political campaign. It has everything to do with changing the political culture and working to specifically target young people. That's why they're banning books. That's why they're trying to restrict information that our children have access to and trying to give them a broken worldview so that when they continue to idolize Donald Trump and Elon Musk, they won't know line of when they've gone too far. And that's a huge problem. We should not have the most powerful person in the world who's setting an example for our young people, who most of our young people say they recognize as the most powerful person in the world, sharing hate speech that we see manifest in elementary school classrooms. 90% of teachers surveyed after Donald Trump's first election stated that school climate worsened specifically due to Trump rhetoric and bullying that was directly linked to Donald Trump's name and catchphrases. It's not a coincidence, it's not a parallel, and it's not something that's ever happened before.

[Moderator / Host]

Okay, okay, I understand what you're saying. For the sake of the argument, I would say that I agree to an extent. Right. Obviously, it depends on what's grooming.

[Skeptical Conservative]

Right?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Well, let's define grooming.

[Moderator / Host]

Yeah.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

So what would you define grooming as?

[Moderator / Host]

So, typically in, I mean, most political circles.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Right.

[Moderator / Host]

They would say grooming is any kind of act that kind of leads to, like, a sexual act.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

That's sexual grooming. Grooming also works with terrorist organizations and cults.

[Moderator / Host]

Yes.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

So I would say that grooming has

[Moderator / Host]

a broad definition, but I would say that grooming is not intrinsic or exclusive to the political right. Right. Grooming is.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

No, it's not. It's something that happens everywhere it happens.

[Moderator / Host]

Democrats do it, Republicans do it. Right.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Some people whose favorite color is yellow do it too.

[Moderator / Host]

Yes. But my point is, is that for the sake of argument, I would say I agree, but I kind of reject the initial premise because. And even this. This ties into your previous point, because I think what you're. What you're actually trying to say is that the agenda that LGBT actors.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

There is no agenda.

[Moderator / Host]

Everyone has an agenda. It doesn't matter.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Well, of the LGBTQ activists make it sound like there's a coordinated agenda, when in reality, there's a bunch of people.

[Moderator / Host]

If you're organized, group, you have an agenda.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

We're not organized, I promise. We're disorganized.

[Moderator / Host]

Okay, well, for the sake of argument, let's just say every group has some kind of focus and things they're trying to accomplish.

[Skeptical Conservative]

Right.

[Moderator / Host]

That's not exclusive to one party.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Sure.

[Moderator / Host]

But the reason, I think what you're trying to say is that LGBT groups aren't the issue. Gun violence, stuff like that is the issue.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Exactly, exactly.

[Moderator / Host]

But the reason why I kind of reject that premise is because when it comes to a lot of these medical conversations we have, there is actually no medical consensus.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

There is a medical consensus. There is a medical consensus. How many doctors are in the amf?

[Moderator / Host]

You have doctors who disagree. That by definition means there's no medical consensus. Also, when you have instances like. Have you heard about the. There was a $10 million NIH funded study led by. I believe her name was Dr. Johanna.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Yes.

[Moderator / Host]

And she did a study and found that there were. No, not. No, but there weren't as much mental health benefits.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I know what you're referencing, and that's been debunked and disproven. The box is going to pop up here.

[Moderator / Host]

Okay, sure. But the thing is, when you have conversation, we have doctors in various groups who don't. There is no such thing as consensus when it comes to science. Like, if you have people who.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

There's technically no consensus that comes to everything. All it takes is one Person in the corner of the world going like, I don't like French fries, and suddenly

[Moderator / Host]

French fries are not conservatives. The issues that conservatives have is the gaslighting when you say things like, it's not happening, it's not happening. It's not happening. Because that is fundamentally not true.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

And you can't have conversations the way that you're describing. Let me clarify this, because when I say it's not happening at all, I mean the way that you describe it. Because it's important for people listening and watching not to think that the care that you're describing is happening. Because. And let's break it down. The care that has been described throughout this episode as chemical castration, as these attacks on young Americans are not happening at all. Am I saying that any young American has ever regretted receiving gender affirming care? They have. It's heartbreaking. And I want our medical professionals to continue to learn more and do better, but to say what they're doing is happening is a lie. And I won't excuse a lie, because

[Moderator / Host]

the issue is that when you have other medical groups. I think you referenced the American Psychological association and Psychiatric. Yeah, yes.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

And pediatric and medical.

[Moderator / Host]

Even they have said that when it comes to gender affirming care, a lot of kids, when they go through adolescence, when they go through puberty, no longer have that same gender dysphoria. And it goes back to my. It goes.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

You know, why?

[Moderator / Host]

But hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

You've been voted out by the majority.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I appreciate you care. You have a good vibe. Okay, so you're saying that Elon Musk

[Moderator / Host]

and Trump are grooming kids.

[Conservative Debater]

Yes.

[Moderator / Host]

Okay, so you have a unique lifestyle. Right. You know, gay, lgbtq, to keep that lifestyle. We need men in this country to be in the Army.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Right.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

To defend your right to have your unique. I'm done with that. Yeah. I support. So some of the military. We got to stop pushing it on kids. Pushing what on kids? The trans stuff.

[Conservative Debater]

Okay.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

LGBTQ stuff. Talking about being trans and being queer made someone who is not trans and queer more likely to be trans and queer. That would result in a lot of harm, but it's not happening. What is happening? It's not happening. Give me evidence. Well, it's.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Look at.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Look at California. There are more queer and trans people because queer and trans people feel more comfortable coming out and less likely that they're going to receive mass amounts of hatred. There's been a rise. There's been a rise in the lgbtq, the trans. Because there's more information out there. There's more affirmation. No, no. Because there's more media representation. Media loves to push it. It is evidence over the last decade that the more queer people are discussed. Why are we doing drag? Queer people feel. Why are we. Drag queen story fun. Drag queens are fun, okay?

[Moderator / Host]

But it's not for children.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Why not for children? I would say a drag queen at a story hour is more like a birthday party clown than anything else. They have a fun hair, fun makeup, fun shoes, fun outfit. It's a strip drag queen. It's a strip tease. Okay? Some drag queens are stripteases. If I ordered a birthday clown, If I ordered a birthday clown and Pennywise showed up to my birthday party and started eating my children alive, I would be like, wait, that's the wrong clown. That's the wrong clown. No, no, no, no, no. Some drag queens, different than drag queens, perform at nightclubs. Some drag queens read at bookstores. Some drag queens go do events. Some drag queens go do festivals. There are no reported incidents. Hold on. This is important. Queer people, trans people, and drag queens, none of them. None of them have any correlation to being more likely to commit a sex crime, to be a groomer, or to do anything pedophilic.

[Faith-Based Parent]

It's data.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

It's proven. The American Medical Association, American Psychological association, the World Health Organization, have proven that there is no. This is what's going on. Let me tell you what's going on.

[Moderator / Host]

The LGBTQ community has gone too far.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

How? Okay, so I'm an ex Democrat.

[Moderator / Host]

I used to live in San Francisco, actually.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Sane.

[Moderator / Host]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

So, yeah, I went to Gay Pride

[Moderator / Host]

and it was fun.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

You know, there's girls there, there's straight

[Moderator / Host]

women, so obviously that's awesome. So, yeah, when I went In 2010,

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

gay pride was just San Francisco. Have you ever been to Mardi Gras? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Moderator / Host]

So.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

But here's the thing.

[Moderator / Host]

Gay Pride.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Did you know Mardi Gras is labeled as family friendly?

[Moderator / Host]

Okay. But Gay Pride is now everywhere. So Mardi Gras is just in New Orleans.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Have you ever been to a sports party? Yeah, but what's not called a sports party? What's it called, like, when they meet out and they're like, in front of the game? Tailgate. Tailgate.

[Moderator / Host]

Okay. That's different than Gay Pride.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Have you ever been to a football game? Gay Pride is everyone making out and

[Moderator / Host]

having sex on the street.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

No, it's not.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

That's illegal.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I was there. That's illegal. That's illegal. The vast majority of Pride events we're talking about San Francisco here. Okay. San Francisco's extra gay, but the vast majority of Pride events are still extra sexualized. It's a European city. Gay is not inherently sexual. San Francisco is a European city. San Francisco is in the United States of America. Come on now.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

Yeah.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

It's not a European city. It's the gay capital.

[Moderator / Host]

And now that that has gone everywhere,

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

all over, I would say weho is the gay capital. Shout out weho. No.

[Moderator / Host]

Yes, we do.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

But the Pride dangers that you're describing, people having sex in the streets. That's illegal. That's illegal. And if someone's having sex in the streets at Pride, I think they should go to jail. But what we're seeing is that's not happening in the vast majority of cases. And when it is, is because these are drunk adults outside. And that happens anytime there's drunk adults outside. And we need to work to prevent that and make it more safe, more family friendly. And we should differentiate. Here's the thing. There should be adult spaces at nightclubs and family friendly spaces and parks, and we should all have magical pride. We need men for armies.

[Skeptical Conservative]

We need men to be men.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Right. You agree with that? I think we need anyone who wants to serve the American military and is qualified to do so to do so. Do you do realize that all men cannot be trans? And no one is saying all men are. You're not about to trans if I watch a bunch of trans movies.

[Moderator / Host]

Why do you have to push it on children?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

There is no medical research, no psychological research, and no data anywhere in the world over any period of history that shows discussing queer and trans identities, putting queer trans identities on tv. I'm about to say it. Change children's minds or identities.

[Moderator / Host]

Okay, let's pause.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I feel like you're a good person. Voted out by the majority.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Wrong.

[Conservative Debater]

So I think the. The way that the. The statement is phrased is kind of a straw man. I don't disagree that, like, Elon or Trump are necessarily doing like, I'm not.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

So we agree that Elon Musk and Donald Trump are.

[Conservative Debater]

No, I would disagree, but I'm saying that I can agree that plane crashes are. I can agree that plane crashes are bad, but then also want to stop car crashes.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Well, car crashes and plane crashes aren't originating from the same source. And this anti LGBTQ rhetoric is originating from the very people who are actually grooming our children. So I would label this as a political distraction.

[Conservative Debater]

Like, first of all, I think you're going to have to quote.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Do you think that Donald Trump and Elon Musk love queer and trans people.

[Conservative Debater]

No.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Do you think that they use rhetoric that. I think they're very liberal supporting queer and trans people?

[Conservative Debater]

I think they're very liberal and they don't want.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Elon Musk and Donald Trump are very liberal.

[Conservative Debater]

They have a confused ontological view of this issue. So what I'd like to attack is in. In this specific debate is I'd like you to make a truth claim about transgenderism in general because it seems that you.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

What is transgenderism? Because transgenderism is a hateful word that doesn't exist. And we're gonna have to unpack that.

[Conservative Debater]

How is that a hateful world that doesn't exist? Transgenderism is one man.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Okay. That's why it's hateful and doesn't exist.

[Conservative Debater]

Okay.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

So men are not pretending to be women. Trans women are women. And I understand. Okay.

[Conservative Debater]

Did you know there's a truth claim right there? So trans women are women. So there's a. There's a. There's a thing that I would like to put forward to you. There's four things that trans transgenderism could be possibly.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Okay. Transgenderism isn't real. So I don't have to do that.

[Conservative Debater]

There's four things that trans people could be or the causation of trans people.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Did you know that they have brains more like their gender?

[Conservative Debater]

Yeah, I've been through that study. It's obviously fraudulent, but I'd like to

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

go into peer reviewed.

[Conservative Debater]

Yeah, I know. The scientific and medical establishment. Like the study that he brought.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

How many doctors are in the American Medical Association?

[Conservative Debater]

I'm not sure.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

How many medical professionals are in the American Medical Association?

[Conservative Debater]

Yeah, I'm not sure.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

270,000 democratic decisions.

[Conservative Debater]

I don't care about credentialism.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

You don't care about people being educated?

[Conservative Debater]

No, I'd like to.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I'd like to.

[Conservative Debater]

I'm trying to attack this point ontologically. I'm trying to get you to make a truth claim about trans people.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Let's do it.

[Conservative Debater]

The first thing that trans people could be claiming to could make a claim about themselves. There's four things. The first thing. And I'm gonna go through them really quick, and then you could respond to

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

them that their gender doesn't master birth sex, period.

[Conservative Debater]

So the first thing.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Yes.

[Conservative Debater]

Could be a sexual perversion. So that has always existed. Men dressing up like women for a sexual fetish has always.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

That's not a sexual perversion.

[Conservative Debater]

That is a perversion.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Is Rudy Giuliani a pervert?

[Conservative Debater]

Yeah.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Really? Okay, agreed, agreed, agreed. That has weird vibes. So let me just.

[Conservative Debater]

Let me just finish.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

What about Brett Kavanaugh?

[Conservative Debater]

I don't think those claims were substantiated, but yeah.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

What about our vice president?

[Conservative Debater]

No, he didn't have sex with a couch. That was obviously fraudulent.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

What about the fact that he dressed up as a woman?

[Conservative Debater]

That was a Halloween party. So, look, we're gonna.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Dressing up as women is not always linked to pedophilia. And what we actually study is that transgenderism is not linked to any sort of. Any sexual misconduct.

[Conservative Debater]

Dude, I understand you're passionate about the issue. I'd just like to get through these four things because other people like to talk. So the first thing, I think you could admit that some people dress up. Like Leah Thomas, for example. She was on he. Sorry. He was on the Penn State swim team. We found his secret Instagram account, and he was posting. No, this is.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

So can we just. Okay. At least it's. Again, pretend for the conversation. So I'm not gonna check you every second.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

I won't.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I. I'm gonna have to check you because that's hateful and that's wrong and it's inaccurate.

[Conservative Debater]

It's not.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Leah Thomas lost to cisgender athletes the same year that she won. There is no inherent biological advantage for trans athletes competing in their sports.

[Conservative Debater]

Obviously there is. Men are stronger than women.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I don't care about that. It goes through care and standards. Dude, the NCAA sets specific biological standards of care so that you can't just be like, okay, I. Yeah, I understand.

[Conservative Debater]

I understand. And I understand you're passionate about the issue, but I'm trying to.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Just passionate information.

[Conservative Debater]

Men pretending to be women.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Trans women.

[Skeptical Conservative]

Ugh.

[Conservative Debater]

Are not women. And the first claim that I'm making

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

is that women are women.

[Conservative Debater]

Okay, you can keep saying it. It's not true.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I feel like I have to.

[Conservative Debater]

So I understand. I understand. The argument is, are trans women women? And I'm saying no. So if I call her a woman, I'm forfeiting my entire point.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

So you understand.

[Conservative Debater]

I'm not going to say that. Your point is, I don't understand what. Yeah, I'm going to prove why it's valid. So men who pretend to be women, either it's a sexual fetish, which I think that you can agree it's not a sexual fetish.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

It's medically proven not to be.

[Conservative Debater]

I think that you can agree that sometimes it can happen. Transvestitism.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I think some men dress up as women. I think trans. All women are women.

[Conservative Debater]

Okay, that's what I'm claiming. The first thing that's. That the second thing is a body dysmorphic disorder. Right. That's a body. And as laid out in the DSM 4. Yeah. And still in the DSM 5 when they changed it, they're still a 60. I think it was 65 to 74. 75 overlay between people who identify as transgender and them having gender dysphoria. So my question for you is, if it's a body dysmorphic disorder, if it does exist as a body dysmorphic disorder, why wouldn't you treat other body dysmorphia disorders the same way?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

We try that with conversion therapy. You killed thousands of people. And it was. That is the attempt to change.

[Conservative Debater]

Give a. Why not give a tummy tuck to an anorexic person?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Why? Physical changes.

[Conservative Debater]

Yeah, you're making physical changes.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

People make physical changes all day long. There's a higher.

[Conservative Debater]

Yeah, we're not.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Care for breast augmentation lace, eye surgery, knee replacement surgery, hip replacement surgery.

[Conservative Debater]

Why?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

And gender affirming care? Because it's like essential care.

[Conservative Debater]

First of all, if you have a body dysmorphic disorder, which is defined in the DSM 4 and the DSM as a body dysmorphic disorder, which is literally the same thing as somebody who has, like, anorexia, they're confused.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

It's not about their self. Transgenderism are not the same. I know you don't agree with that, but I'm making.

[Conservative Debater]

Just relax and then I'll make the point. I understand you're passionate about the issue. You live a kind of weird, perverse lifestyle.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I understand I live a weird lifestyle. I'm a lgbt.

[Conservative Debater]

Perversity is when you deviate from the norm. Right. And so if you deviate from the norm, it's perverse. You've perverted the end. So that's not the point. But the actual point is that in reality, a man who pretends to be a woman is not a woman. And it's the same thing. If I were to go to the doctor's office as an anorexic and say, doc, give me a tummy tuck, because my self perception is not in line with reality.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

That's no life saving.

[Conservative Debater]

Give me a tummy tuck. Yeah. Neither is transgenderly proven to be.

[Skeptical Conservative]

No, it's not.

[Conservative Debater]

There was a new Oxford study that just came out in 2025 that proved anxiety, depression, suicidality, and suicide studies skyrocketed. All skyrocketed. The reality of the situation, the reality

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

of affirming care and affirming environments reduce the rates of suicide. It skyrocketed. Depression and anxiety.

[Conservative Debater]

It skyrocketed in every case.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Quoting it. That's time.

[Conservative Debater]

Good to talk to you.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

My next claim is health care costs and gun violence harm young Americans. LGBTQ acceptance does not.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

I just want to make sure I.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Can we agree that. Can we agree that our shared value for this debate should be that all young Americans have safe and healthy childhoods?

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

Absolutely.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Okay. Beautiful.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

Yeah. I just want to make sure I heard that right. Young Americans referencing children.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Yes.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

So then I want to switch the focus on what the plus represents and lgbtq.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

First, I want to state that gun violence has been the leading cause of death for American children for the last four years. And six American children die every single day from gun violence. And 4 million young Americans are currently uninsured, which makes them 60% more likely to die. While LGBTQ acceptance risks no American children's lives.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

I'm not in disagreement with that per se, necessarily.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I love that.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

But where we're headed, right, that plus is a placeholder for maps for minor attractive persons. Minor attractive?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

No, it is not. That would be insane. Pedophilia.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

I'm glad that you think it's pedophilia.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Well, it's defined as.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

I think you understand and you know that your side of the aisle does not feel that way.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

No, There is a large group commits the most acts of pedophilia in the United States of America. I'll give you a hint.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

Do you identify the LGBTQ as a political movement?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

No, not at all.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

We're going to fundamentally disagree right there.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Well, why is lb? Why is the LGBTQ community a political movement?

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

First of all, it's considered a victim class. Let's start there.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

A victim class. What's the victim class?

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

They have specific rights and protections.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

They have the same rights and protections as all Americans, or they should, and we're working to get there. That's not true, because right now, unfortunately, you're right, it's not. Right now, they don't. Right now, LGBTQ Americans have less rights and liberties than the standard America. How do you than heterosexual cisgender?

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

How they have less rights and privileges?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

There's a variety of things. For example, there's legislation in several states that work to prevent trans women from accessing the bathrooms that relate to their gender identity. There's prevention of LGBTQ discussion in education. There's efforts right now from our president to work and roll back rights that have been guaranteed to LGBT plus Americans for decades. And it's really, really important that we recognize that, because right now, LGBTQ plus Americans do not share the same liberties and rights as cisgender heterosexual Americans do. And to pretend that it's not happening is really weird. I would ask you, what rights do you think LGBTQ people are asking for that are special rights?

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

So this is where we're going to fundamentally disagree. Really? Because. So, first and foremost, yeah, to be. To be quite honest, I believe. And that's not that I believe. I know that the LGBTQ movement is a Marxist movement. I believe.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

It's not a Marxist movement.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

I believe it was installed.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

It's not a Marxist movement. That's a funny thought. I let you finish talking.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

Let me finish.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Okay. But you're just saying.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

No, I'm not. I'm saying things that I know. I believe you've developed and put yourself in this sort of matrix, fictional reality, and you feel safe there. I'm glad you do. But here's the problem. Where we're headed is why I'm concerned.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Where are we headed? I'm not.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

I'll tell you where we're headed. We're headed towards maps. Whether or not you agree with that

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

is regardless of what evidence is there that we're headed towards maps?

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

I mean, are you kidding me?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Yeah.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

It's even. Even on the conservative side, they're opening up the discussion on whether or not this can be considered legitimate sexual orientation.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

No one is saying that pedophilia is a legitimate sexual orientation.

[Moderator / Host]

Okay.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

This is important, actually, that you're saying this right now, because where we're headed, I'm very secure that we're heading this direction, wherein at a certain point, that

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

would be really concerning. Then I would understand.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

And I agree that we agree with that. But going full circle.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Okay. Yeah.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

Who started the gay rights movement?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Black trans women?

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

No. Harry Hay started the gay rights movement in 1950s. What party did he belong to?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

You tell me.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

He belonged to the Communist Party. What?

[Conservative Debater]

What?

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

What. What book and what society did he start?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

The LGBTQ movement? Because I would define it as a civil rights movement in modern history. We're sticking on to BG people.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

We are sticking. But you're not talking because ultimately you're leading to deconstructionism. You want a gray box society.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

That's the goal. What is a gray box society?

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

The fact that you don't know that is exactly the problem. You are compartmentalized in this idea. I know what it is. It's a genderless society. It's where the individual is stripped from all Individuality. That's what it is.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I think allowing people to express themselves as individuals is no individuality.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

That you're already in the matrix. You're stuck there. You're in this world that provides all these protections for you. All these. The fact that you can even sit here. The fact that this.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

What extra protections do LGBTQ people receive in the United States?

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

Do you want anecdotal experiences?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I want any evidence that you have.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

The fact that it even.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

You don't have the fact that it's even evidence. It's not a discussion.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

It's a sexual orientation. Doesn't need to discuss sexual orientation. It should be between.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

What is the sexual orientation. What should be. When are you talking about?

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

What am I talking about?

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

I'm talking about the fact that it's even a movement to begin with. It doesn't deserve.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

There's a civil rights movement that is described.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

It doesn't deserve a civil right. That's my whole point.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

LGBTQ plus people don't deserve civil rights. I would say that the majority of American principle would disagree with what you're saying right now. I think all people in the United States of America are equal. And you don't.

[Moderator / Host]

Let's pause.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

You've been voted out by the majority.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Please return to your seat.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I appreciate you.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Hello, nice to meet you.

[Concerned Parent]

I'm Angelina.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Nice to meet you. Can we agree that our shared value would be young Americans deserve safe and healthy childhood.

[Concerned Parent]

100%. And I think gun violence is an issue, and I think healthcare is an issue. However, what I would like to talk about today is children being targeted and transitioned at a young age.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I don't believe children are being targeted in transition.

[Concerned Parent]

So currently in the United States, you can start gender transitioning a child as early as they're starting puberty, and that's anywhere from 8 to 13. And so at that age, you start putting them on puberty blockers, which is not reversible, by the way.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Okay, so how many irreversible gender affirming care procedures have been done on ages 13 or under in the United States of America?

[Concerned Parent]

Listen, just the idea that you even put them on puberty blockers, that's irreversible.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Do you understand that not all puberty blockers are irreversible? Nutrients are coming in every day. So let me break down the steps.

[Concerned Parent]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Puberty blockers. Do you know what puberty blockers are? Puberty blockers is Lupron. That is the brand name for puberty blockers. Lupron Lupron is used on children 8 to 13 year olds to pause their puberty.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Okay, so let's break this down.

[Concerned Parent]

It is the same drug used in chemical castration for pedophiles.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I thought that 8 to 13 year olds. Okay, if I thought 8 to 13 year olds would be chemically castrated, that would be horrible. That would be evil. That would be unacceptable. So that's not what's happening.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Well, no.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Let's break it down. I would love to break it down for you. No one's advocating for that. Let's break it down. So 1% to 3% of the youth population in the United States of America are trans. About 15% of that 1 to 3% receive reversible or partially reversible gender formation.

[Concerned Parent]

What do you mean by reversal?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

What do you mean by talking about hormone blockers? I'm talking about hormone replacement theory. It is reversible in many cases. So I understand. Some of these things are not fully reversible. That's why it's reversible and partially reversible. Some hormone blockers are not fully reversible. But the World Health Organization, the American Medical association, the American Psychological association, and the American Psychiatric association work to set standards and approve that all of these cares are life saving. What we see is that the vast majority of people who receive this care never end up regretting this care. Do you know what the regret rate for reversible care is in the United States of America for transgender youth?

[Concerned Parent]

Any rate of it is enough to not do this to children. Targeting of children. Tell me the rate.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Do you know the rate?

[Concerned Parent]

Tell me the rate. Please tell me the rate.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

The rate is 1%. And do you know what the majority of that 1% rate is? It's due to social stigma and hatred, not actual regret of the care. And so what we see is one

[Concerned Parent]

child decides to detransition. That's enough to not do this.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

No, it's not.

[Concerned Parent]

Children cannot make decisions. Listen, how can at 12, 13 you decide you never want to have children?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

That isn't happening at all. You can't. That's not happening. Hormone replacement therapy isn't sterilization. That's not true hormone replacement therapy.

[Concerned Parent]

Then why do we give Lupron, the same drug we give to children, to pedophiles to chemically castrate them?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

That's not what's happening. That's not what we're doing.

[Concerned Parent]

You don't think we give Lupron to pedophiles?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I don't think we're chemistly castrating. Our young American children. All gender affirming care surgeries have to have a period of time between about one to five years in which these people are receiving treatment. They are working with medical professionals.

[Concerned Parent]

You do not even have to go to a psychologist.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

That is not true.

[Concerned Parent]

Blair White, one of the most prominent trans women Blair Wright in America right now said she had to get no psychological.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Blair Wright is proven to spread misinformation online and in the media.

[Concerned Parent]

Blair Wright Depression is real. Gender, I agree, is real agree. But I don't think the way we treat this agreement just slapping on hormones.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

So what happens to anxiety, depression and suicide rates after a young trans person goes through gender affirming care for about

[Concerned Parent]

a year it's better.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

And then after what about 10 years?

[Concerned Parent]

Listen, I don't disagree that sometimes it might be the right time for someone.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

In 70% of cases, suicidality goes down. No one is advocating for a child to make decisions by themselves. They're working with their parents to receive parental consent, medical supervision, and they're not happening under the age of 13. And the majority of doctors in all cases in the United States of America are telling people not to have a lot of these crucial surgeries until they do reach the age of 18. Do you know how many people have had surgery in the United States of America that is gender affirming care under the age of 18 that resulted in any type of surgical transformation of the body? Tell me, do you know the number?

[Concerned Parent]

Tell me the number.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

0.01%.

[Concerned Parent]

So at what number do we have to get to to show you that

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

this ruined their lives and saving their

[Concerned Parent]

lives and their double mastectomy is doing it?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

How many young people have to tell you that this care is saving their lives before you care? It's saving lives every single day.

[Concerned Parent]

What are you doing as a child and doing it when you turn 18? What's the difference?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

What's the difference?

[Concerned Parent]

What's the difference?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

There's so much of a difference when you go through puberty, so much of your body and chemical changes so drastically that it creates a lot of the negative experience that leads trans young people to kill themselves. And that is why the World Health Organization, American Medical Association, American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric association work to agree that they understand that gender affirming care is life saving care for young adults, for children, for anyone who needs it and what we're not advocating for.

[Concerned Parent]

But when you're a child, you cannot make that lifelong decision.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Just you can't make it by yourself

[Concerned Parent]

in the fact alone that it sterilizes them is enough to say we can't do this until they're 18 in that

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

it does not sterilize young children. You are just saying things that are scary.

[Concerned Parent]

No, I'm not.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

That's not.

[Concerned Parent]

And even people on your side will say that's true.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Voted out by the majority. Please return to your seats.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

So why are we spending so much time talking about life saving medical care when every single day we're losing young people to lack of medical care and to gun violence?

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

Okay, well, can I just backtrack? So you initially had said.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I prefer to start there.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

Alrighty. Well, I mean, I have a point I need to address just to. So you can understand kind of where I'm coming from in the argument.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Okay, can you answer that question and then we'll get to yours.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

Go ahead and restate it.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Why are we spending so much time talking about life saving medical care when we're seeing young people die every single day due to a lack of medical care and due to gun violence in the United States of America?

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

So you don't drive a car?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Of course I drive a car.

[Conservative Debater]

But when we're.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

Wait, look at how many people die in car accidents every year.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

That's a really special statistic. But what's important about noting is that the vast majority of people who drive cars are choosing to drive cars. The vast majority of people who are being shot to death by guns are not choosing to be shot by death by guns. The 4 million children who do not have access to health care are not choosing to not have access to health care. They are more likely to die, however, because of a system that they were born into. And that's not fair. That's deadly. It's harming young Americans every single day. Life's not fair. So children should have shot in their classrooms and not have the medicine they need?

[Skeptical Conservative]

No.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

But they should also have the right to protect themselves in their own home or in their own community. Should have the right.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

They are being shot to death every single day by assault rifles designed by their homes.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

And how many homes broken into and they don't know how to protect themselves?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

They don't have the ability to tell me this statistic.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

No, I'm asking you that question.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Gun violence in the home leads to more death in that home without burglary. What you're seeing is that gun violence in America goes up because there are more guns in America. There are more assault rifles in America. There are less restrictions that help people who should have guns have guns. And now we're Saying, oh, you know what? Everyone have a gun, let's all have guns. There are more guns in the United States of America than there are people. What there are not is people that are receiving chemical castrations and being sterilized. Like other speakers in the circle are saying gender affirming care is medically proven to be life saving care. And they're working with psychologists, psychiatrists, doctors in all the cases. I am saying that you and I right here have no idea what is best for a child in Illinois, in Utah, in Florida, their parents do, they do, their medical professionals do. And the more that we get in the way of their choice making, we're infringing on parental consent, we're infringing on medical privacy. We're preventing young people from receiving life saving care.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

Wait, you said their parents have the right to make those kinds of choices,

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

to help them make those choices.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

But isn't your party the one that says if a kid says that they're

[Moderator / Host]

gay school, that the teacher shouldn't tell the parent?

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

Well, the Democratic Party.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I'm sorry, I'm not a member of the Democratic Party. However, I would say that much of the Democratic Party's stance versus the Republican Party's stance makes more sense because it's grounded in evidence, the picture, when it fits the case.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

And then now all of a sudden you think the parents should have that kind of say. I don't understand.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

No one is saying parents should be removed from the children's lives.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

That's essentially what they argue when they are gay.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

If a parent is a direct threat to a young person's life, then that needs to be evaluated. But that's not happening in the conversation.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

What do you consider a direct threat? I guess that's the thing is, I mean, there's.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

How many trans people are transitioning without the support of their parents? In the vast majority of cases, trans people are supported by their parents. In all cases in the United States where surgery was done, parental consent, medical supervision and psychological supervision were there.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

When you say all, I already know that's false because nothing is a perfect 100% like that already is. Just that invalidates everything you're gonna tell me with statistics. When you say all I know that's maybe you're right, maybe there's a lot, but when you say all, that's it.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

You've been voted out by the majority. Please return your chair.

[Conservative Debater]

I appreciate you.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

Thank you very much.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Hi, how you doing, man? Yasu, how does LGBTQ acceptance harm more young Americans than gun violence and healthcare costs?

[Moderator / Host]

So define harm. What does harm mean to you?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

To me, harm would mean reducing quality of life or ending the life.

[Moderator / Host]

Okay, so the word of harm, it doesn't have to necessarily mean physically. You can harm somebody by spiritually, mentally, and all of above.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Entirely agree.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

Right.

[Moderator / Host]

So when we.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

And what we see is that when we support and affirm LGBTQ acceptance, depression rates, anxiety rates, and suicidality rates go down significantly. 60%. 60% is the rate of change in suicidality rates when we see LGBTQ people being accepted suicidality.

[Moderator / Host]

Honestly, that's not necessarily true. Because it's 100% true.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

It's a medical finding.

[Moderator / Host]

You could say that. But if you really want to be realized, if you really want to go to realization, when they do transform to lgbtq, their anxiety actually goes up because

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

that's not what's happening.

[Moderator / Host]

Well, why, if it's not?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

So let's break it down, because I understand that this would be horrible and it's very scary, and the talking point gets out there a lot, and it's very confusing. What's happening is that LGBTQ young people experience higher rates of depression, anxiety, and suicidality because of the way they're treated in society. And that's a medical fact that's been studied for years. What we see is that when there is more queer and trans representation, more queer and trans discussion, more queer and trans affirmation, more trans, that those suicide rates, depression rates, and anxiety rates go down. And so if it was innate within the queer and trans identity to be depressed and anxious, the more queer and trans discussion there were, the more queer trans people there were, the more that we would see anxiety, depression, and suicidality. Instead, what we see is that it is only when we accept, affirm, and educate about LGBTQ identities that these rates go down. Because it's not a symptom of being queer and trans. It's a symptom of hatred. It's a symptom of anti LGBTQ policies which is harming young Americans.

[Moderator / Host]

Explain about the plus, the lgbtq.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Well, no, no. What do you think about what I just said?

[Moderator / Host]

Yeah, no, I agree. I agree.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Fantastic.

[Moderator / Host]

But explain about the plus, though, with lgbtq. Right.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

LGBTQ stands for the fact that, for example, intersex people, they don't have a letter in lgbtq. Asexual people, they don't have a letter in lgbtq. Lgb. See, it's hard to say. I would say queer and trans. I think queer is an all encompassing term, and trans is inclusive.

[Moderator / Host]

Let's talk about intersex. Right? So intersex itself.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Lgbtq. What?

[Moderator / Host]

Intersex itself. Right, right. That still does not make a third gender. The chromosome itself, it still identifies a male, if it has a Y chromosome, still is a male.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

So there are many people that are born XX that would have what you would describe as male reproductive organs. Right. There are many people who are born XY that actually have female reproductive organs because chromosomes themselves don't define biology. Sex is actually a biological characteristic that chromosomes are a part of. And we also see that it has to do with hormones and it has to do with. With sexual organs on the inside and outside of the body. And so it's not a singular thing that can be defined. There are 40 different chromosomal structures. It's not just XX and not XY. There are so many different people that fall within the intersex category. And that's why gender affirming care originally existed, was to help these people receive the medical care that they needed. What we're seeing is that it is so essential to help people be who they are, and it saved their lives. When you do that, regardless of what

[Moderator / Host]

you're saying, the chromosome.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Let's pause.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

You've been voted out by the majority. Please return to your seat.

[Moderator / Host]

Okay, so your original claim was that

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

gun violence and health care costs harm young Americans. LGBTQ acceptance does not.

[Moderator / Host]

Okay, so I agree with the first half.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Okay, what's your disagreement with LGBTQ acceptance and how it does not harm young Americans?

[Moderator / Host]

So I think that first you can look at anything. Teaching any young people something that's just fundamentally not true.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

That's okay. Well, it is a fundamental truth. What we see is that intersex, queer and trans people have existed throughout all time, every continent, every single culture and society. The very first civil society, ancient Mesopotamia, had queer and intersex people. What we're seeing is that they existed in ancient China, ancient Egypt. They've existed everywhere, throughout all time. It's not a matter of. I don't even know what you're saying.

[Moderator / Host]

Well, that's because I didn't really say anything. You just kind of went off.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

You just said that they're not real. I know you said that they're not real. And that's enough to draw concern, because it's like, what are you talking about?

[Moderator / Host]

People can rewind about 25 seconds. Seconds, and they'll see that. I didn't say that. I didn't say that they're not real. I'm saying we're teaching people things that are not young people things that are not true. For Instance, we're teaching boys that they can be girls. That fundamentally I think is unsafe.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Boys can't be girls. Trans girls can be girls.

[Moderator / Host]

Trans girls can be trans girls. Right. And I wouldn't disagree with you that they don't exist. They're human beings. You're a human being. I love you and care about you

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

as a human being. That's a dub. We'll take it from there.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

We agree.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Okay, let's take that. That's a dub. People are people.

[Moderator / Host]

We see each other. We're human beings.

[Skeptical Conservative]

Right.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I genuinely, I love them.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

That.

[Moderator / Host]

Okay. But within that, there are still things we can teach people that can harm them. I think that I agree.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Teaching hatred harms people, teaching people not to accept people harms people. But teaching about LGBTQ identities saves lives. I reduces anxiety and depression.

[Moderator / Host]

I guess my only question really would be if you're going to say that their suicidal rates and depression rise because people aren't affirming like gender.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Right? Yes, they are.

[Moderator / Host]

Where are all the tens of thousands, hundreds of of hundreds of thousands of suicides that just went unexplained the last 150 years?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

They're happening all the time. It's heartbreaking. They're happening all the time.

[Moderator / Host]

You're saying there's mass graves of people who weren't gender affirmed in 1920.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Trans people don't all get together and commit suicide together and then say we were trans the whole time. These are people that never came out as trans because of the hatred they experienced, felt that they could never be themselves killed themselves. We're seeing this happen all the time and it's heartbreaking.

[Moderator / Host]

We're seeing an increase in. There is more.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

We're seeing an increase of transphobia and so we're seeing an increase in the rates of anxiety and depression amongst unaffirmed, uncared for trans individuals. When trans people receive gender affirming care or have access to affirming environments, we see suicide rates go down, anxiety go down, depression go down. Explain.

[Moderator / Host]

I don't agree.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

It's a fact.

[Moderator / Host]

Okay, well, there are two studies. There's one from April 2024, two year 24, 24 month study. One from February 2025.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

What were the studies done by I.

[Moderator / Host]

They can fact check it. I don't remember off the top.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I'm cite a lot more studies. Okay, pause. That's time. There were studies though.

[Moderator / Host]

You should look into them.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I have. Thank you. My next claim is that anti LGBTQ policies are anti Christian and anti American.

[Faith-Based Parent]

So let's start with the less obvious, let's go anti American. What is, what is like your point in saying that? How is it anti American to say that protecting our children.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Right.

[Faith-Based Parent]

Our children is our only thing we have. It's the future.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Right, agreed.

[Faith-Based Parent]

How's that? Anti American?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

When I think protecting our children would

[Faith-Based Parent]

not be anti American, but the LBGTQ policies anti those. Right. You're saying it's anti American.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Yes.

[Faith-Based Parent]

When you think of children. Right. You think of what? I have a nine year old.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Right. I think of the future.

[Faith-Based Parent]

Okay. The future. Right. Do you have a child?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

No, I don't.

[Faith-Based Parent]

Do you want children?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Maybe.

[Faith-Based Parent]

Okay, all right. So good. You want to have a child and you want this child to be what? Protected? Correct?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Absolutely. Can you hear me through that?

[Faith-Based Parent]

Okay, good. When you think of your child being protected, what is an issue you don't agree with? What's something you don't agree with?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Gun violence and health care costs. Okay.

[Faith-Based Parent]

Gun violence and healthcare costs. Do you come from a family that didn't have health care?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I come from a family that struggled with healthcare access but had health care access. For me, that makes sense.

[Faith-Based Parent]

Okay, so you had it. So you don't want your child to be negatively influenced by gun violence.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Correct, Correct.

[Faith-Based Parent]

Or by not being able to have access to healthcare.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Absolutely.

[Faith-Based Parent]

So if there was an agenda, and I know you say there's not an agenda, but if there was a mass media awareness that's pushing a narrative of saying, and we kind of see it.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Right.

[Faith-Based Parent]

Guns in all the movies, right?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Yeah.

[Faith-Based Parent]

Guns in the music videos, guns in this, rap, hip hop songs, all this stuff. You probably not want your child to be exposed to that, correct?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

No. I would make sure they're educated about what guns are and I would make sure they're accessing this information in age appropriate agents. That's a false comparison because.

[Faith-Based Parent]

Why is that a false comparison? It's still.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Guns aren't people.

[Faith-Based Parent]

Okay.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

People in their intrinsic identities aren't murderous. Guns are designed to kill things. LGBT people are designed to exist and live and love.

[Faith-Based Parent]

And they're humans. Correct.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Work and be people. Yes. Okay.

[Faith-Based Parent]

They're humans.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Absolutely.

[Faith-Based Parent]

So let's go with that. We'll take that angle. So you're talking about humans and you're saying that humans are designed to be themselves. Right. And intrinsically, this.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Yes. We're getting so far away from.

[Conservative Debater]

No, no, no.

[Faith-Based Parent]

We're coming back because you're talking about anti American and I gave you that example of God. So for me as a mom, I don't want my Child. And I'm just gonna say the Alphabet community. Cause it's easier than LBGT's Alphabet.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

What about queer and trans? I think queer and trans is easier.

[Faith-Based Parent]

Queer and trans. All right, so I don't want my son exposed to queer and trans. You didn't say I was. You don't like the word agenda. I'm trying to be nice. And queer and trans people. Queer and trans people. Okay. I don't want him exposed to that. I'm a Christian, and I'm faith based, and I believe I'm Christian too. My son should have his testicles intact until forever. Not until he's 18. I want him to have his testicles forever. And he actually just asked me about that last night. He said, mom, I think my testicles are dropping a little. I said, no, sweetheart, you're nine. Enjoy. You've got a long ways to go.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Why?

[Faith-Based Parent]

As parents, we want to protect our children as long as they can.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Oh, 100%.

[Faith-Based Parent]

Right.

[Conservative Debater]

Okay.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

You agree?

[Faith-Based Parent]

We are in agreement with that.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Yes. I love that. All right, so let's keep teen.

[Faith-Based Parent]

I would never, in my right mind let my son, first of all, attend a school, a public school. Second of all, attend school.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

That's a privileged choice, and that's awesome that you're able to make it correct.

[Faith-Based Parent]

And I've worked very hard for that. Where there are clowns, as you called them, drag queens there.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

No, no, I made a comparison. That clowns are entertainers and drag queens

[Faith-Based Parent]

are entertainers, but they are very much so different. A clown is.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Depends on the context.

[Faith-Based Parent]

Okay, let me finish. Let me just describe, and then we'll go.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

We're so far away from the queen. No, we're not. We're talking about.

[Faith-Based Parent]

We're talking about an agenda here, and you're talking about it being anti American, anti faith, anti Christian. I'm saying that that's not the truth.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

No, I'm saying anti LGBTQ policies inherently contradict the fundamental values of Americanism and. And Christianity.

[Faith-Based Parent]

It doesn't.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

What is the fundamental value of America?

[Faith-Based Parent]

Okay, well, we'll go back to Christianity, but let me finish my point as you said you would. Okay, so I'm not letting my son be exposed because you. You're kind of in denial, sweetheart. You're saying that a clown is the same thing or same humor. Hold on, let me finish. Let me finish, please, dear. As the same as a drag queen. And I know for a fact what comes. If you just Google the word drag queen and children or kindergarten, you see what goes on those show the girls are in, or the men rather are in lingerie, in scantily clad, very, very sexually explicit behavior, crazy hair and makeup. And my right. And it happens. As well as the infiltration of the books in our children's school, these trans books are being put into our kids school. I know for a fact that's why I pulled him. I saw these books in there. You said yourself, if you had a child, you would not want him exposed to things that you didn't approve of or you'd want him to be, quote, educated as to what is right. Why do we have to educate children to mental health challenges? When men decide to castrate themselves and take off their genitals and reattach new genitals and then they demand equal rights, that's not okay. And I'm not letting my child get exposed to that. That is anti Christian and that is anti American.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Okay? So I don't find that to be a claim that addressed my claim at all. I would say that the fundamental value of Americanism is freedom and the fundamental value of Christianity is freedom to. And anti LGBTQ policies are contradictory to both of those beliefs. But back to your point, because you took us there, the majority of drag queen book hours have never had a reported incident. In fact, there's no pattern of reported incident. And there are cherry picked incidents where bad people did bad things not because they're drag queens, but because they're bad people. And those incidents occur in less than a percent of places. So what I would say is that drag queens have no statistical correlation with pedophilic behavior, with sexual violence or that is. Or holed up in the club or in sexually exposing themselves to children. I think clubs are getting so far away.

[Faith-Based Parent]

American faith based values. Let's go back to that. Oh, American faith based values. Why the trans movement is not that or is antithesis of that.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Trans people are people. What I am telling you is that if your child is exposed to trans and queer individuals, they are no more likely to decide to become trans or queer.

[Faith-Based Parent]

Not true.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Nope. It is true. It is statistically probably proven. It is so true. It is data driven. It is medically proven. It is psychologically proven. No, no, no. It's proven by hundreds of thousands of people. And I have no idea why you believe when you're not educated on this subject. Well, no, no, not in a like a you don't know what you're talking about way, but in a. You need a medical professional, you need a psychological professional to address this care. No, to address this Care. What I'm saying is that your child is not endangered by witnessing rare and trans existence. It is true.

[Faith-Based Parent]

That is not true.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Let me give an example. I'll give you one.

[Moderator / Host]

Let's pause.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

You've been voted out by the majority.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Please return.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Thank you.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Thank you.

[Faith-Based Parent]

Hope you don't hate me.

[Skeptical Conservative]

First off, I would like to say that your question, I think, is worded very. How do I put it?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

It's not a question, but I'm saying anti LGBTQ policies are anti Christian and anti American. Which would you like to start with?

[Skeptical Conservative]

So can you define for me what anti LGBTQ is?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Yes. Policies that are against the LGBTQ plus community, hence anti anti.

[Skeptical Conservative]

Okay. So could you tell me what means by against it? Like, could you give me an example of legislation that is anti Christian that was also anti lgbtq?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Can you give me examples? I would say because I am a Christian and I'm lgbtq. Policies that go against me are anti Christian, and I would say, because they contradict the fundamental values that we were taught as Christians, that they are anti Christian. So a couple of things. One, we were told to follow the Holy Spirit beyond the text. We were told that throughout life, while God's word is perfect and true, man's interpretation and understanding of it is not. For example, slavery. Can we agree that's wrong?

[Skeptical Conservative]

Yes.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Interracial marriage. Can we agree that's beautiful?

[Skeptical Conservative]

Yes.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Fantastic. Can we agree that we both should be able to eat shellfish and pork?

[Skeptical Conservative]

Yes.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Fantastic. We continue to evolve our understanding when we have new information and perspectives. Jesus Christ incarnated not to tell us follow the Bible, but to help us understand it better. We once understood eye for an eye. Now we know it's turned cheek for cheek. And we were also told to measure people by their fruits. LGBTQ people bring love into the world. They benefit the economy. They bring safety into the world, while anti LGBTQ policies are proven to bring more depth, more anxiety, and more depression. I'm not saying I don't understand your fear and concern. I'm saying when I rely on the data, the evidence, and the professionals, these policies kill children.

[Skeptical Conservative]

I do not believe so. So. But they do so looking at Christianity, because you're the one who brought it up. In Matthew 18:6, Christ says, if any of you causes one of these little ones to stumble, it's better that a millstone is tied around your neck and you drown in the depths of the ocean.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Yes, Absolutely.

[Skeptical Conservative]

Not that they should be, but it's that they. It's better off that they would be so what I'm trying to say is that.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

But you can't say that people are misguiding children by informing them about people that exist when there is no data that that information causes young people to become queer and trans. The rise of young people identifying as queer and transfer more affirmation and safety. No one becomes gay. It's medically proven and it's been backed by data that you cannot, no matter what you do, turn someone gay.

[Skeptical Conservative]

You can't do it. So how are they gay then?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

It is a biological characteristic.

[Skeptical Conservative]

So it's like in their genetics. In their genetics, essentially, yeah. Okay, so how could you spread the genes of being gay if you're gay? Like, I'm straight because my dad and

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

my mom maybe not genetics, it's in the biochemical reality of human existence. It's not something that's taught. It's not something that can be changed in an experience. And that has been proven through our.

[Skeptical Conservative]

Okay, so the only thing that we're born with, essentially, is gonna be our genetic code, which our parents pass down from us. And then after that, we have a blank slate of mind. And whatever is put into that blank slate of mind will alter our personality and our person. So you're right. There is no gay gene because it's non existent. It's an inferior genetic. You cannot pass down the genetics of being gay if you're gay. Which is why I believe that people are being groomed to become gay, whether it happens when they're 2 years old, 10 years old, 13 years old, whether it's from the LGBTQ agenda, which I believe you and your allies are pushing, or if it's.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Who are my allies?

[Skeptical Conservative]

Who are your allies? I mean, I'm not very familiar with your work, but I understand that you are an LGBTQ activist. So I would say your allies are people who align with your values at

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

least a 90% or not. So I am an activist and I work on political reform in the state of Florida focused primarily on school boards because they are currently attacking our children and they hold massive political opportunity to actually revolutionize the state. And I'm lgbtq.

[Skeptical Conservative]

So how are these school boards attacking children in Florida?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

You want to go there?

[Skeptical Conservative]

I would like to hear your claim on this.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Let's do it. Okay, bet. So school boards in the state of Florida and all throughout the country have actually been listed part of Project 2025, as they stated, because they are politically vulnerable spaces that have low voter turnout, low community awareness, low investment. That is disproportionately easy when you take lots of money and invest them into the elections to change the results. So a couple years ago, we saw a massive sweep from candidates from Moms for Liberty and far right hate groups. We also saw Ron DeSantis become the very first governor in our state's history to endorse these candidates. Anti LGBTQ policies, which are anti Christian and anti Muslim.

[Skeptical Conservative]

What have they done?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

They've done the homeless children. They banned books throughout the state. They told people we can't use restrooms. No, no, no. Okay. We always should. Born pornography in our schools. Pornography in our school would be evil. Erotica in our schools is not acceptable. What we see is age appropriate leveled reading that discusses topics that some might find uncomfortable in our school, but that

[Skeptical Conservative]

is measured by psychology, which includes being gay, which is.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Well, I would say you would find being gay uncomfortable, whereas I would say it's a reality.

[Skeptical Conservative]

And I would say homosexual, which is a sexual thing. That is erotica. Because you're talking about sexual.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

No, being queer isn't inherently sexual. I'm not having sex with you right now because I'm lgbtq. I'm sitting at a table having a conversation with you.

[Skeptical Conservative]

Okay, so earlier you tried to claim that Gay pride parades. We're not inherently sexual.

[Moderator / Host]

Okay, so let's pause.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

They're not. We've been voted out. Hi.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Nice to meet you. Okay, so I want to talk a little bit more about the anti Christian thing that you were saying. So I know that you said that Jesus. This is what you said. Jesus said that basically we follow the Holy Spirit. Does that mean that we can do whatever we want? Or what are the rules? Because within Christianity, there are a set of rules. Obviously, we're sinners. We're not going to follow them. The most important one, I would say, is to love others around you. But there's a lot of other ones that are important as well.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Such as?

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Such as the sinning. Like, no lgbtq. That's a rule.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Where does it say that in the Bible? Lust.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

It does say that a man cannot be with a man.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Did you know that that was actually mistranslated and had to do with sexual violence, grooming, and ritualistic relationships?

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

No, in the New Testament, it says that a man and a woman in

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

1946, for the very first time, a man added the word homosexual to the Bible. That was never a part of God's word or God choice. God gives perfect word and truth to man who has imperfect ear and an imperfect understanding. So that's how we have things like slavery, which is never in God's vision is not a part of love. It's not a graceful practice.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

There's lots of things in the Old Testament that don't pertain to today. Okay, I'm looking at the New Testament now. You're saying that it was misinterpreted. There's a lot of other things within that same sentence, such as you shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery. You shall not. Man shall not be with man. So you're saying the only part within that sentence that was misinterpreted was man should not be with man. What about murder? Is that okay?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

No, I'm saying that one mislation.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Or was that mislationed as well?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

And we can translate. No, I'm saying that one mistranslation contradicts what Jesus told us is the most important rule. He came to earth and said, do not follow the Bible like a law. Use it as a loving, graceful practice, and follow my law.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

What about the Ten Commandments? Those are laws. And the word of God says that these commandments are written on the tablets of your hearts.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

And what he told us through John 16:12 is that I cannot bestow all knowledge upon you now. You will learn more, you will experience more, and you will develop. Women have rights now, and even in the New Testament, they were disrespected, belittled, and they were not given these rights. And so what we're seeing is that we as people are imperfect beings. And the more that we develop our understanding, educate ourselves, meet new people, and follow the most important law, which is to love.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

What about the other laws? What about, we do not commit murder?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Is that okay?

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

You're disregarding the other laws?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I have a point.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Can I just say something? I think it's great that you're Christian. I think. I don't think, oh, if you're a sinner, you can't be Christian because that's not what the Bible says.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

We're all sinners.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

The Bible says, come as you are, and you can be a Christian. But I don't believe that you're following Christ.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I am following Christ. So let me make the point.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

But the thing is that you're hindering your walk with God.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

First of all, my walk with God is between me and God. And second of all, no, the important

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

point about your sentence going up from a Christian perspective, I do want to say, say that as when we speak about lgbtq, I know that it comes off as hatred, but it comes from a place of caring.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

As we can see that love is an action Word care is an action word. And the reason that one sentence is going downhill.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

When we look back from the beginning of time till now, it's going downhill. And what's changing? And people are affirming transgenderism. People are affirming transgender people. So what is changing? That's changing. And as we see that happening, we

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

see less suicide, less depression, less anxiety amongst queer and trans people who are and receive gender affirming care. Suicide rates don't go up amongst young people in a failing country with a failing health care system that denies them mental care. Then we see no mental health care is the reason suicide rates are going up. There's no access to it in the United States. Gender affirming care is proven to lower suicide rates. What you said about that one sentence in the Bible that we have to go back to. The reason I believe we shouldn't murder people is because it's in clear alignment with God's greatest rule. Love everyone. Hating LGBTQ people is in clear contradiction.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

I can talk to you about that.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Because of that. Hold on. I am continuing to follow the Holy Spirit and learn new things and extend grace, faith and love to all. And that is how we included more rights for more people throughout history. Why would we stop?

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

If someone is living in a life that is leading to destruction and we applaud them, do you think that's love? And we accept them and say, this is good.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Even though we know from that if someone's leading a life of destruction, we need to help. Your life is going to help point them out.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Now your life is going to lead to depression. Love is telling the truth, even when it's hard to hear.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I hear house fire.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

I need to tell you to get out.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

The truth is the number one place queer and trans people experience the hatred that causes their suicide, depression and anxiety rates to increase is actually hateful rhetoric from the Christian church. The number one population that is homeless in the state of New York City, in the state of New York are queer and trans young people who have been disavowed by their Christian families. Okay, and what number one would go to those people?

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

That's the number one health.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

He would. Let's pause there.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

You've been voted out.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Okay. Thank you.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I appreciate you.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

So I'm assuming from everything you're telling me that you think that God is okay with you practicing sodomy with other men.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I am saying that God always acts in accordance with love. And the sodomy that was written about in the Bible has nothing to do with loving queer and trans relationships because there was no frame of reference for the phrases who created it? Man is imperfect. God's word is perfect. God would support queer and trans existence. Do you want to talk about why it's also anti American?

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

You don't think that that sodomy existed 2,000 years ago?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I do think it existed 2,000 years ago. And you don't think that God and the way that it was written about in the Bible was about hateful, unconsensual, pedophilic, ritualistic acts of sodomy? There have been healthy queer and trans relationships all throughout the history, and they were not included in the Bible the same way women's rights were not included in the Bible. God did not intend us to treat that like a law that we never move on from. He treated us to use it like a way to learn love and practice. It is not an instruction manual. It is one tool that we can use to live our lives.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

You do think. But to clarify, so you do think that God is okay with you having sex with other men?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Yes.

[Conservative Debater]

Okay.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

So I feel particularly close to God when I have sex with other men.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

That's literally okay. So I think that your definition of love is basically what feels good for you and also being nice to other people.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I think love is more complicated than that. For example, you can have a sexual relationship with someone that you might not love, whereas love is a deeper emotion of care.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

But basically it's just like this fluffy feeling of like, oh, I like you. I'm treating you well. Whatever. I think that love is willing the good of another person.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Love is a hard action.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

You can have consensual sex with someone and that's not loving them. Because participating in homosexual acts is inherently not loving. Because it's damaging.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

They're not inherently damaging.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

It violates natural law.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

It's not inherently damaging. It doesn't violate natural law. They're overwhelming 1,000 species. Your body is not female that are proven to have queer relationships.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

God literally designed.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Why does the G spot exist?

[Faith-Based Parent]

I don't know.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

God literally designed male.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

And let's not pretend to know God's vision. How about this? Let's not pretend to know God's vision.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

How come 12% of men who have sex with other men one or more times a week have problems where they are not able to control their bowel movements?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Because when do you.

[Skeptical Conservative]

Well, why? Why?

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

If it's healthy. If it's perfectly healthy and you know

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

that's so there are medical facts.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

That doesn't mean that I hate you. It means I don't want you doing something that's not natural and it's not healthy and it's not good for you or for society.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

There's a reason gay men can't reproduce.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

There's a reason why gay women can't

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

reproduce with these bodies are not an essential factor of love and care. It is not the essential factor of a relationship. And the things that you are saying are nasty, evil pieces of rhetoric that aren't grounded in science.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Absolutely not evil. You don't think it's scientific that it's more harmful to have gay sex than straight sex?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

It's not more harmful. It obviously is.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

That's why there's more STD rates.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

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[Concerned Parent]

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[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

eglis.lilly.com or call 1-800-lillyrx or 1-800-545-5979. My last claim is politicians banning books is more dangerous than drag queens reading them.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

Hey again.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Hello.

[Moderator / Host]

Hello.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

Get a little more time this time?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Let's do it. Alrighty.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

First, I guess I want to say wouldn't both? I guess from the arguments that I've heard, I could be wrong and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Are they not both propaganda? Kind of like Going back to that question, where we went to grooming.

[Moderator / Host]

Right.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

We go to grooming. I think when it came to that argument, in my opinion, I think where you were getting confused was that you were getting propaganda. I've said that's why I said, in my opinion, how I interpreted response, how I interpret it is that when you were phrasing things, it was in my head, you. You should have been substituting propaganda. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. Like, grooming is like forcing a belief upon somebody. I believe that's how.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

It's not always physical.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

Yeah, but it's involuntary. Now these kids are being given information at a young age and they're just making the choice. It's just more appealing to those kids.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

It's also about the impact. A lot of this information is lies, and it leads to direct harm for those children and other children around them. And it is meant to be done to change their thinking and patterns of behavior such that Donald Trump and Elon Musk are able to exploit them for power. But right now we're discussing book bans and drag queens. Would you agree that politicians banning books, which has only ever in human history led to authoritarianism, is more dangerous than drag queens reading books, which has proven to have no correlation to sexual violence whatsoever?

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

Well, I guess it's.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I think we should admit that a drag queen, which is almost always a man in a fun women's costume.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

Fun is relative. Fun is. That's a relative.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

In adult spaces, it is often more sexy. So what we're saying is, I think it's just a hard piece of imagery for people who don't want diverse gender expression to swallow. And so we're like, oh, that sexual violence. Oh, they're trying to sexualize their children. But psychologists and medical doctors have actually evaluated those events because of how many horrible claims that have been made on a baseless, baseless amount of hatred. And what we found is that there is no sexual violence, there is no sexual perversion, and there is no increase in sexual confusion. That's the most important part, because I can understand someone saying, oh, the drag queen has the best of intention, but now my child is confused. They measured it, they tracked it, they studied it. The child doesn't get confused. The child sees someone in a fun costume. They're like, that is fun. And suddenly reading, which is very boring for many young children. They're willing to pay attention. Attention. They're willing to be there. And what we also see is queer and trans children in this space.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

Can I answer the first are less

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

likely to be depressed and anxious when they witness someone who is experiencing diverse gender expression in their space. Yes.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

Okay, so once again. So I'm going to go back to propaganda, because I really think that's what this question is about. There are two ways to do that. Propaganda, which, again, every will say agenda. As we've established before, I'm not saying that LGBT has an agenda, but it's got a title, therefore, it probably has a group that has an agenda. If it's got a title, clearly you guys agreed on something, right? I think that's fair to say. I. I'm gonna keep. I'm just. I think everything that would have a title. Clearly there's a group.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Do women have a coordinated political agenda? Do white people have they.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

Are they feminists? Are they. I mean, I think everybody does. As somebody else said, everyone has an agenda. You can't say that you don't have.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

You're describing people fighting for their human rights.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

Well, human rights. Well, I guess that's a whole nother debate itself, but point being, human rights

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

are not up for debate.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

Point being, propaganda can be done in two ways. You can remove certain things, or you can heavily promote certain things. Why do we see in so many shows and movies nowadays that there's usually a gay character or some form of LGBT representation? Right? Okay, that's one thing.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

That's because it's proven to save lives. Only a decade ago did we start seeing that representation.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

Yet you don't have a positive, conservative character. There are far more conservative people than gay people. So I'm just saying, like, it's all propaganda. Both sides can do it. Don't say it's not. So I think neither is worse than the other. I think it's just one side using the.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Would you agree that book bans are worse than drag queens reading?

[Moderator / Host]

No, not at all.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

I think. I think they're. I mean, I think they're. They're a way that one side chooses to promote their argument or dissuade the

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

other ones about where the wild things are. What's wrong about Charlotte's Web?

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

I mean, is it the context or the actual. I mean, because you can read between the lines and things that people say.

[Conservative Debater]

No, no, no.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

See, Charlotte's Web was banned because animals were speaking and one parent decided that was witchcraft. Now none of the parents in the district get to make the child speak.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

Should a city council have to pass a law that allowed them to. That allowed them to ban those books? Did some state.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Wait, then how did they get Banned in many instances. School boards hire a singular professional who accept singular complaints and ban any books based off of singular complaints.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

People that we trust to make decisions.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

We did not elect the person they paid to go into our schools, tarp our libraries, remove our power to choose

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

an independent person to do that.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Those people were elected, and now people,

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

the majority chose those people to then pick somebody else on their behalf. It's the same with electors and elections,

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

what happened last year, but we picked

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

the people who picked that.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

You've been voted out.

[Conservative Debater]

Hello.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Hello. Hi, Will.

[Skeptical Conservative]

All right. So you said, like, Charlotte's Web is getting banned. That's silly. I also think it's silly if one parent runs the whole thing.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Right.

[Skeptical Conservative]

But for sure, that's not every book being banned. Like, you know, I'm sure you've heard of genderqueer.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Yeah.

[Skeptical Conservative]

Stuff like that should not be in schools. It's pornographic.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I think it should be available at an age appropriate level. Do I think elementary schoolers need to be reading genderqueer? No.

[Skeptical Conservative]

And in terms of, like, you know, Republican bills in Florida, like, you know, I don't think, especially K through 3, that there should be any official curriculum being taught to kids, kids that is telling them about sexual orientation. However, I wouldn't go the extra mile and say, like, we should get rid of every book that just mentions a gay character in the library. That's not a part of the official.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Okay, I love that we're inching there. What I would say is that there has never been a democracy that lasted when it started banning books. Every single civilization that has ever started banning books turned into a fascist regime. And to me, that's very frightening. And to me, the justifications of it being rooted in marginalized communities and their identities. The majority of banned books discussed queer, trans, black and brown identities. That feels to me like a very quick trend towards fascism. And so when that's being perpetuated by someone who's saying, I want to be king, there's going to be a third term for president. I'm like, uh, oh, fascist recipe coming together very quickly.

[Conservative Concerned About LGBTQ Movement]

I know.

[Skeptical Conservative]

I don't agree with the third term bullshit.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Right. What are we talking about? George W. Did a lot of work just for him to be like, no, sorry, backtrack.

[Skeptical Conservative]

What were you just talking about just before you mentioned Trump?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Book bans. Book bans and how they're worse than drag queens reading books.

[Skeptical Conservative]

Okay, well, first of all, they're not being banned in the sense that none of these books are banned in the state of Florida. They're being banned in, like, local school boards, like you're saying. So there's no actual government law that's being written to ban books.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

What are school boards?

[Skeptical Conservative]

They're, you know, forms of government.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

And they're banning books as a part of a national coordinated strategy that was written in Project 2025 as a part of a fascist plan to overtake the stated intention is overtake the government.

[Skeptical Conservative]

Okay, but, you know. You know, I could say I don't. I think it should be more than just one complaint, but I think parents coming forward to school boards and local government because local politics is good.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I'm not a fan of local politics.

[Skeptical Conservative]

I like local politics. So it's different than a statewide ban on books in Florida, which is not happening.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Yeah, I agree that local governments are banning books, and that is bad.

[Skeptical Conservative]

Okay, and in terms of the drag queen story hour, what is the upside to that? Why don't we have firefighters or veterans coming?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

That's a good question. It actually creates safety and new gender experiences for queer and trans children who don't feel safe. And so we've actually found it's queer and trans children who do have drag queen story out. They actually have higher rates of affirmation, less suicide, depression, anxiety, and I think that matters. Okay. Voted out by the majority.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Hi, how are you? Nice to meet you. So, baby Bell, I would like to start off by saying that I'm not anti gay. As a Republican, I believe in freedom. You know, less regulations, less laws, and the freedom to be gay.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Me too.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

However, when you're saying banning books, I do believe that there needs to be some age restrictions on certain books. We shouldn't be teaching children about sexuality so early or being transgender, changing your gender. They can't even learn to drive a car yet.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

That makes lots of sense. And I think what we should teach people about is diverse identities. I don't think we need to be talking about graphic sex with elementary school. On that, we'd entirely agree. I think saying, hey, some gay people exist. Make sure you don't spit at them. I think that's a great thing to do because young people are most able to learn that information at the young age. And so what the psychology and the data shows us is that when they have those discussions, it actually not only benefits queer and trans students, but all students, including straight CIS students, become safer, more productive members of society. And it actually, and this is my fun, crazy statistic, it actually benefits the economy.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Okay, I do see what you mean. That being said, I just feel like we shouldn't be talking about that around children. I think that's something they should figure out for themselves, whether they agree with or not. Obviously, we also shouldn't have hateful books towards the gay community for them to read. I don't think any sort of hate teaching to children is okay. Also, the drag queen thing, that's just weird to me. Why are you having a person that's dressed up as a different gender reading to children? Like, I wouldn't bring my kid to something like that.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

And you don't need to.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

I think it's just strange.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

And I think that if you don't want to, you definitely shouldn't. I think that it should be an option for parents who do want to, because what we see is that many parents who are raising queer and trans children or children that they believe might be questioning their sexuality or gender, the

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

word queer children shouldn't even be a thing.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

But people.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

That's weird.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Queer children doesn't mean sexualized children or children who are having sex. It means people who have a queer relationship.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Children don't even know how to be straight yet. Why are we teaching them to be queer?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

As young as second grade, there are reports of people feeling like they have crushes on people and blowing kisses because we are all in a society where relationships are discussed.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Queer.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Like, but queer just means not straight. It doesn't mean, like, the devil.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Okay, so it just means not straight. From my understanding, from what I've heard, queer means you like everybody, no matter what.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

They're like, okay, that's a misconception. So instead of saying lgbtq, which everyone in this room said they wouldn't be willing to say, I was like, let's switch it to queer. Queer used to be, a long time ago, a horrible word. A slur. Exactly. And then the LGBTQ community reclaimed it and basically said, if you are not straight, let queer be an umbrella term that serves you. Because if we do keep adding letters, no one's gonna say anything. No one's gonna be respectful. So queer encompasses all of the identities, and it's, you're gay, you're lesbian, you're bisexual.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Why can't you just be one of those? Why do you have to be queer

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

in terms of just language that encompasses and includes everyone in the LGBTQ community? And like I said there, that already doesn't have an I. It doesn't have the A. It's already not fully inclusive. And so instead of continuing to add letters, we say queer and trans.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

But I have an issue with that, because gay and trans are two totally different things. Why are you grouping them within the same thing? Some gay people. People don't like trans people.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

We entirely agree that sex and gender are different things. What I am saying is that the LGBTQ community.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

That's not what I said.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

It is what you said. No, it's not. But the LGBTQ community is called a community because these are people that have been pushed out of societal norm and persecuted in the same ways by the same people for differences in their innate characteristic of who they are as a human being. And because it is so similar in the styles of persecution, they. And because we shouldn't further divide marginalized communities. The queer and trans community are a community. Our struggles are interlinked. Stonewall the first protest. What is known to start the LGBTQ movement is an interlinked movement of resistance between queer and trans people.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Gay and trans are two totally different topics. They're different things.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

They are. And they're community.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Trans and being gay, liking a certain gender and wanting to.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Why is it important for you to distinctualize the two? Because.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Why are we grouping them?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Why is it important for you to make those two communities distributed?

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Because you just named them all queer. They're not all queer.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Who's not all queer?

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Gay is not the same thing. You're putting them under one umbrella.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

No, no. I said queer and trans.

[Conservative Debater]

Huh?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I said queer and trans. Queer is a term that describes difference in sexuality.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Okay.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Or sexual orientation. That's fine.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

But as I said, I'm not getting anywhere with this with you. Gay and trans are two different things.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Yes.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

They shouldn't be put under the same umbrella.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

No. Okay, so you just voted out by the majority.

[Conservative Christian Opponent]

Thank you.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

So, quick question. Do you think people are born gay or trans?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Yes.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

So you think kids are born trans?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I think they're born trans, yes.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Okay, so you would be okay with them getting any type of either brain scans or anything before they go through medical transition then, right? That way. That way. Because, you know, 13%. What you stated was 1% was actually 13% of people do detransition. So to avoid that. No, they can bring up. I'll even show the study on my phone to you right now.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Well, I'm sure you have things that say that, but it doesn't make it true.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

So this. You're just invalid.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

That's not true.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

You're invalidating the entire study. Let me. Let me ask you this. Are you okay with this medical transition if they get brain scans before the medical transition?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

What are you talking about?

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Okay. So how. How do you know someone's born trans? Give me the. The definition. How do you know they're born trans?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

So transgender is when your gender is not the same as your birth sex.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Okay.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

And so when someone says, I'm transgender, then I'm like, okay, okay, so you're transgender.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Okay, so how do you know they're born that way?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

They know and they tell us, and then we see that when we affirm their gender, their lifespan and their quality of life increases.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

So you. There's no objective way to measure it. It's all subjective, right?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

No.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Okay, so what's objective measurement that someone's born trans?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

An objective measurement that someone is born trans.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Correct.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

When they say that they are born trans, that is deeply important. But also, there's differences in the actual brain of trans people that correlates to their gender.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Like what?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

They are more similar to that of their gender than their birth sex.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Okay, so that's an objective way to measure, in your opinion? Correct?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Well, it is a factual, objective way to measure it.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

So then we could agree that kids should have this brain scan before they medically transition.

[Moderator / Host]

Correct.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Wouldn't that be a good middle ground?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I would say that. I would say.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Because you say there's an objective way to measure it. Correct.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I am saying that that is one objective reality of the trans existence. What I am saying is that because. Because all queer and trans people who are transitioning as young people in the United States do so with about three to five medical professionals. I trust that those medical professionals know more about that individual than I do. Someone is not just saying, oh, this kid says they're trans. Let's go. Let's give them hormones. What actually happens is a young person feels a deep amount of distress in who they are based on something they had no control over. They share that with their parents. In the majority of cases, the parent who wants to keep their child alive brings them to a psychologist or a psychiatrist. They work with that medical professional for many years. They bring in endocrine specialists, and they work together for years to decide what is the right path of treatment, when, how, and with who.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

So they have over control over it.

[Moderator / Host]

Right?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Over being trans?

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Yeah. You have no control over it.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Correct.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

So the detransition rate shouldn't be 13. Right.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

So the majority of people who detransition anxiety. Why do the majority of people.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Anxiety and someone suffering from gender dysphoria. What's the distinct difference?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

So puberty anxiety is. Oh, my gosh. I'm very worried that my characteristics are going to change who I am as a person. Other people are. Oh, my God. I'm worrying that puberty is going to permanently lock me into a body that is not mine, and I will never be able to prevent the changes that I go through with puberty. And so a partially reversible option is puberty blockers. That is actually proven to. To save lives. That's what matters to me, is lives saved of young people.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

So if you care about lives saved, then why do you dismiss the Oxford study of 108,000 patients when their depression, anxiety, substance use, and suicide. Suicide.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Talk about the Oxford study. Talk about the methodology. Talk about the people who ran the study. Talk about the peer review process.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

You just don't like the study because it doesn't affirm your belief, though, right?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

No, no, I'm saying it's a broken study.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Give me one study that you. That you think is good.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Okay. I would say the Study's done by 270,000 doctors. Okay.

[Conservative Debater]

Okay.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Which one? The American.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

It's the same thing.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

But you have to talk about it

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

because it doesn't affirm you.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

No, you don't know anything about your study, whereas I know everything about the American Medical association study, the American Psychological association study, the American Psychiatric association study, the American Pediatric association study, the World Health Organization's study, and countless global doctors who have referred and peer reviewed those studies. Your study. I would like you to talk about the methodology, how it was peer reviewed, and how you're citing it, because what I do know about your study is not only are you manipulating it, but it's broken in its process.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Okay, so the cast review study's bad. The sweetest study about puberty blockers is bad.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

That one is literally proven.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

The UK Health, the Finland, the Denmark, all their health departments that say puberty blockers aren't safe.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Not all studies are run well because some studies can be broken, some studies aren't accurate, and some studies aren't well done. And so I'm not saying I don't like your facts. I'm saying the conversation we're having about the studies you're referencing don't attribute to the greater conversation we're having about LGBTQ people because of the ideologies and methodologies and practice of those studies. What I am saying is the largest global medical organizations unanimously agree that queer and transgender affirming care. It is unanimous. That's what makes it special. It's not a medical consensus. That's why so important. I didn't say medical consensus. I said the Majority of health organizations that are the largest in the world and in the country all unanimously agree

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

it's actually not true.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

That queer. It is true.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

You just don't want to believe it because it doesn't affirm your reality. That's the. That's the problem.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

You want to believe it because it does. But when it's peer reviewed, when it's fact checked, and when people actually look into your studies, they realize that they're false. You would be able to reference more. You'd be able to reference peer reviewed sources, you'd be able to reference medically established institutions. You'd be able to reference things that are respected in the greater medical community.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

There's a perfect middle ground. You don't want to reach a middle ground.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Here's the middle ground I would like to do.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

So if people are born trans and we could see in their brain scan, then you'd be okay with a brain scan before they medically transition.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

That's really good middle ground.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

That's a really good middle ground.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

The information there is new.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

So you don't want to reach the middle ground of it.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

No, what I'm saying is I trust the medical professionals who found that information to continue to study it and decide what is the best practice to apply it to life saving health care. If I see medical practices that put young people in harm's way, I would advocate against.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

So it's life saving to stop the natural biology of someone, inject them with synthetic hormones, and then do gender reassignment surgery. That's life savings.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

It's scary when you say it like

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

that, isn't that correct?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

But yes, sometimes life savings. Take a scalpel, cut someone open, go into it, remove a part of their heart, zip them back up. That's also life savings.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Let me ask you this. How do they know they're in the wrong body if they haven't even hit puberty, where the body is fully developed yet?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

It is not about the physical characteristic of me feeling my fingernails and being like, wow, these are my fingernails. It is having to do with who you are as a human being. Your innate human identity, which is gender not aligning with your birth sex. If you go through puberty, the majority

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

of changes, how long do they go on puberty blockers?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

It depends on the individual.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

How long? Okay, let's pause there. That's time.

[Moderator / Host]

Zander will now choose a conservative to debate for 10 minutes on a claim of their choosing.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I'm gonna choose Mike. I feel like we're gonna have a productive conversation all Right, So.

[Moderator / Host]

So my claim is Xander, correct?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Yeah.

[Skeptical Conservative]

Okay.

[Moderator / Host]

My claim is Xander. And LGBTQ people have a fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Okay, what is the point of your claim?

[Moderator / Host]

Okay, so back when you were talking earlier, a lot of presuppositions. So you made the claim that you are a Christian. I am also a Bible believing Jesus follower. Contrary to popular belief, the Bible says once you claim to be a Christian, it its free game as far as, like, judgment. So if I'm a Christian, like, people can judge me, I can judge you. Like, it's like non believers, pagans, not really, you know, concerned about them. But if you're a Christian, there is certain standards. So we kind of made a lot of claims, especially in the totality of our conversation as far as like, okay, medical consensus, we kind of like, we're throwing out specific terms. But when it comes to the Christian faith, when it comes to Christian religion, there is a, I mean, depending if you're Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, there is a centralized authority, There is historical, biblical, traditional teachings, things that have been practiced and understood for 2000s, thousands of years. Right. So when it comes to things like progressive ideologies, specifically what we're seeing in the 21st century, a lot of progressive Christian beliefs are very specific political beliefs. They're not faith beliefs, they're political beliefs.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Who does Christ tell us has the right to judge Christians?

[Moderator / Host]

Other Christians?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

No. Christ actually tells Christians that they should not judge other Christians and that instead

[Moderator / Host]

he says you will know them by their fruit.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Exactly, exactly. And that if you cast the first stone and if you use the biblic text or the word of God to tell other people what to do or live their lives, you within yourself are casting sin and sitting within it. And so what we know. What we know. What we know is that God himself is the judge. And what we are to do is to hold our relationship with God, let others hold their relationships with God and prevent harm. What I am saying is that LGBTQ existences and relationships do not create harm. Murder creates harm. I would say Christians have an obligation to call out and stop murderous policies when they see them. Okay, so because there is not a correlation of harm that would call out the word of Christ, that is what we're seeing there. I am going to have to have a very hard conversation about the fact that the original biblic text would have destroyed life for millions of good Christian Americans. So what we did is we listened to the Bible and we listened to the word of Christ, who said, you do not know everything yet. Do not treat the Bible, like a law, follow the Holy Spirit, be inspired by it, and follow it through grace. Because we do so, we learn to bring in new people into the Christian faith, support them, occlude them, affirm them.

[Moderator / Host]

And you're saying a lot of presuppositions, and you're saying a lot of things that, like, back when you were making the claim, right, when everyone was bringing up different studies and things that were happening, you were saying, that's fundamentally not true. The things that you're saying right now are fundamentally not true specifically because of what it's written in Scripture, right? So there's people who, like, I'm not gonna get into the debate of, like, sola scriptura and whether or not, like, Christians only look at the text or tradition, stuff like that.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

But the word of God says we shouldn't do that.

[Moderator / Host]

But the point I'm making. So again, the reason why I said fundamental misunderstanding is because when it comes to reading the text and understanding the text, there's no form of, like, exegesis. There's no form of understanding context. There's no form of, of looking at the text and saying, hey, what is actually happening here?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

There is a word in the text from Christ that says, do not treat this like a law. And I haven't told you everything yet. It doesn't say that. John 16:12 literally says, you do not have all the information. Now, I have not burdened you with all of the information.

[Moderator / Host]

They'll throw the Bible verse. They'll throw the Bible verse on there. But so.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

And I said it less pretty.

[Moderator / Host]

I'll give you. I'll give you one example. I'll give you one example based off a point I believe you're trying to make. So when the Bible talks about don't judge others. When you have a plank in your eye, you're looking at the speck in your brother's eye. When you, when you have a plank in your eye, that's not saying that you cannot judge. It's saying that when you do judge, make sure that you are holding yourself to a specific standard.

[Skeptical Conservative]

Right?

[Moderator / Host]

We read it in Timothy and James when it talks about holding yourself to

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

a certain standard of eligible judge, unharmful practices, and to offer grace, to author faith, to offer love. It also says that you use the text to tell other people how to live their lives.

[Moderator / Host]

You're just the same things. You're just saying things.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

And that is not Christ's.

[Moderator / Host]

You're vehemently misquoting Christ.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

So do you believe women should have rights yes. Then if we were to follow this lane of thinking, women would not have rights.

[Moderator / Host]

Who fundamentally pushed for better positions for one, Good Christians. Christians. Yes, Historically. Right. So if you talk.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

And now good Christians throughout the world are pushing to include LGBTQ people in the name of the Holy Spirit.

[Moderator / Host]

What does it mean to be a Christian? What is a Christian?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

A Christian is someone who acts with love and the word of God.

[Moderator / Host]

What is love?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

What is love?

[Moderator / Host]

Yes.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Love is an action word. Love is showing care for other human beings in a sustainable, true way.

[Moderator / Host]

Okay. So I would say that is a very watered down understanding of what love is.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

What would you say love is?

[Moderator / Host]

So love in my. And I've actually been thinking about this. Love is the obligation to encourage others to pursue a life that will abundantly reconcile them with God.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

That's your definition of love. Half of loving relationships in the world wouldn't fit within that. So my definition works way better and Christian. No, a man and a wife don't fit under the role of holding each other exclusively accountable. It's also about care. It's about compassion. It's about grace.

[Moderator / Host]

See, again, you're misunderstanding. Marriage is a specific institution that God put in place as an example for our heavenly marriage to him, to Christ. That is the purpose of the.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Originally, marriage, as discussed in the original text, was not like a loving marriage that we see today. What we see today is a new version of that because we continue to

[Moderator / Host]

follow the Holy Spirit to liberation today. It's perverted. People marry for love. People marry for his very superficial things

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

and not for divorce, which I would say is great.

[Moderator / Host]

I would say for power. People in the past married for power. Marriage is a power plant.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

And also something literally property. I'm not just like saying. Sure.

[Moderator / Host]

And historically, right there and in the Bible.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Yes.

[Moderator / Host]

So again, my point is there's a fundamental misunderstanding of the text. Because you said.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I agree.

[Moderator / Host]

Because you. Because you said Christianity means to love. People always say things like, oh, the greatest commandment is to love. Again, when I talk about context, the greatest commandment is love in the context of the Ten Commandments. So in that conversation where they're talking about the Ten Commandments, the Ten Commandments is. First of all, the Ten Commandments is a summary of like more than 600 laws. Right.

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

That the.

[Moderator / Host]

That that were in place not just in Old Testament Israel, but also he fulfilled those laws. Hold on, hold on.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

And he added new meaning to them. Because God's word is perfect, but man's understanding of it is not.

[Moderator / Host]

Man's understanding is not. And that's why Christ came and corrected us. So my point is exactly. The context of the Ten Commandments, right? Is in the context of there was more than 600 laws. It boiled it down to 10, and then Jesus boiled it down to 2, which people like to quote, love your neighbor. The first is actually love the Lord your God. Right. In the context of the Ten Commandments, it is my. Is my theological opinion that the greatest commandment is when God says, be holy, for I am holy.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I respect that opinion.

[Moderator / Host]

Right. The reason why is because, again, my point is, is the fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity. Your position is that Christianity means that come as you are, stay as you are. That is fundamentally not true.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I didn't say that.

[Moderator / Host]

You are saying it because I think

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

that Christians like you, who use the Bible and the word of God to hate others, need to reflect on that and become more Christlike.

[Moderator / Host]

So you agree with my point when I said that your understanding of love is to affirm that is not a biblical definition of love.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I'm not telling you you need to change your faith. I'm saying that it's.

[Moderator / Host]

I'm not talking about faith.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

You are not.

[Moderator / Host]

I'm saying that if a Christian believes that if I have a child and I believe that child is made in the image of God and God made them male or God made them female, and then someone comes along and says that they're not male or they're not female, that is contrary. It comes as a divide between what God.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

That is you thinking that you know that person relationship with God better than they do. It's not about their relationship with God. Showed them who they were. And it is our duty to love and support them as Jesus Christ.

[Moderator / Host]

Again, fundamental mission. I'm not talking about Jesus Christ supported sex workers. I'm not talking about their relationship with God. So you brought up sex workers, Right? The adulterous woman comes. The Pharisees brought the adulterous woman to Jesus, said, we caught her in the act, right. Some people say it's like, how did the Pharisees catch her in the act?

[Skeptical Conservative]

Right?

[Moderator / Host]

It's like, what were they doing? Shady Jesus, in his proper context of love, criticized them, says he without sin, casts the first stone.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I would say you're bringing LGBTQ people to. To Jesus and saying they're bad. And he would say, it's not, they're bad. Mind your business. And he would affirm the love of us. And even beyond that example, I don't think he would tell us to do anything differently because there is nothing harmful being Done. I even think in today's worldview, sex work would be respected by Christ.

[Moderator / Host]

And this is why I think it's a fundamental misunderstanding. And this isn't just a progressive LGBT issue. I think there are people in general who have a misunderstanding of what Christianity is about. Christianity isn't good guys and bad guys.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Agreed.

[Moderator / Host]

Christianity isn't if we're all bad guys, we're all bad guys. And we're all imperfect. No, we're all fundamentally sinful. It's not we're imperfect. We are all fundamentally in sin.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I think it's unhealthy to think we're all bad people. I think we all sin. I think we're all God's creation.

[Moderator / Host]

We are bad in the context of we are not God. So the way I kind of define sin, it's not a matter of, you did this, you did that. Sin basically means to miss the mark.

[Skeptical Conservative]

Right.

[Moderator / Host]

It means that God is the standard, and we will never meet that standard. So to me, sin is. Sin simply means I am not God and I'm not capable of being God. And because I'm not God, I am not holy. And because of that, the Bible says I'm born into sin. Right. So when I say fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity when it comes to specifically progressives, LGBT groups, is that they think it's like, okay, yeah, we're imperfect, right? But it's more of a gnostic understanding. It's like, well, we strive each day, and as we gain more knowledge, as we read more studies, we will somehow attain some kind of, like, understanding that we'll get closer to the world.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

So you brought up measure by the fruit. And I would say that when we view LGBTQ people, what are the fruit? I'm about to describe it in the context of our conversation. If we measure LGBTQ people in their fruit and what they produce for this world and how they contribute and how they show up and how they exemplify it is positive, it is good, and it adds value to our experience.

[Skeptical Conservative]

What is the Bible?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

When we think about anti LGBTQ policies we see harmful the fruit of the Spirit, I think that's up for interpretation. For me, it's what we bring to the world.

[Moderator / Host]

The Bible literally says what the fruit of the Spirit is.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I know, but the Bible also says a variety of things that Jesus Christ tells us to interpret in a more graceful manner. I would say the fruit of the Spirit is how we bring value to this world.

[Moderator / Host]

If you love me, you will keep my commandments. Right. And you will know them. By their fruit. The fruit of the spirit is a

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

myriad of spirit himself.

[Moderator / Host]

And there's one fruit of the spirit. I like to call it the forgotten fruit of the spirit. It's the last one mentioned. It's self control. It's self control, right? It means that in this imperfect world, we're going to have struggles. If in the context of LGBT people, that is their struggle and the fruit of the spirit is self control, I

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

would say the self control applies to eating junk food or drinking alcohol, applies

[Moderator / Host]

to all things, but in the context of.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Not about limiting who you are as a human being.

[Audience Member / Conservative Questioner]

Okay, that's time. Thank you. Was our nice?

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

Yeah, I think so. I think so. I did a lot of reflection before I decided to come today. I think sometimes when it's platforming negative views that are really harmful, it can just be harmful. But I really thought that this conversation could be productive, and I think in many ways it was really the most

[Neutral / Middle Ground Questioner]

important reason why I wanted to come on here is because these. These discussions are very important. Regardless of what the topic may be, finding a middle ground, meeting with people that you don't agree with is something that we don't do.

[Concerned Parent]

I'm glad that this is a space where we can all come together and share our opinions without fear of violence, because unfortunately, that's something we see a lot of nowadays.

[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

I didn't feel surrounded by the enemy, and I think that that's so important. These people didn't hate me. I didn't hate them. We want the same things. We're using different information, and that's why it feels like we're in different realities. And so we just have to close the gap. I'm a community organizer and my job is to find commonalities that people have and share shared goals that we have and successful ways to work towards them so that we can build a better quality of life for ourselves and a better future for the incoming generations. And I think that every single person here today wants that. And I think that there's a broken idea of how we get there.

[Moderator / Host]

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[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

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[Faith-Based Parent]

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[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

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[Conservative Christian Opponent]

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[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

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[Conservative Christian Opponent]

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[Faith-Based Parent]

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[Xander Morix (LGBTQ Activist)]

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