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Would you be in a foxhole with Donald Trump or in a foxhole with Kamala Harris? He had an option to go into the foxholes and he lied multiple times to not get drafted. I focus on let's get the population healthy. We got a bunch of not gonna do it by taking away their health care. He had a lawful asylum claim. He had gone to the border checkpoint. When you're trying to deport 20 million people, sometimes a few things happen. From Jubilee media, this is surrounded where one brave soul faces a room full of disagreers. In the center today is Luke Beasley. He is a Gen Z left leaning commentator and he will be facing 20 baby boomer conservatives. They will debate Luke one on one until they are voted out by their peers and replaced by someone new. Let's get into it. This episode is brought to you by Rumchata. A delicious creamy blend of horchata with rum. It's best enjoyed over ice or in your coffee. Rumchata Delivering vacation vibes any way or anywhere you drink it. Find out more@rumchata.com Drink responsibly. Caribbean rum with real dairy cream, natural and artificial flavors. Alcohol 13.75% by volume 27.5 proof. Copyright 2025 Agave Loco Brands Pojoaaukee, Wisconsin. All rights reserved. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. Listening to this podcast Smart move. Being financially savvy smart move. Another smart move. Having State Farm help you create a competitive price when you choose to bundle home and auto bu Just another way to save with a personal price plan like a good neighbor. State Farm is there. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings and eligibility vary by state. Hi, I'm Luke Beasley. I'm a liberal Gen Z political commentator and today I'm surrounded by 20 boomer Trump supporters. My first claim is magonomics is terrible for the economy. You look very swanky. Very nice to meet you. Let's just start here. Okay. Because you would agree Trump's landmark economic policy is tariff, tariff, tariff. That's like his biggest thing. Well, let's start. Let's start with the big picture. Trump has the right vision with. Oh, we'll get there. Let's just get clear who pays the tariff. Okay, first of all, I'm a businessman. I do gross CFO work around the world. I got hundreds of clients. I've been 30 years of building businesses. Beautiful. I can tell you firsthand the reason why many of my American companies Can't get into foreign markets is because of tariff barriers. Just because Trump always seems confused about this. Who is it that pays a tariff? Well, the importer does. The importer. So every time Trump says foreign countries are the ones who pay the tariff, it's not US Companies, he's lying. That's true. Good. It's weird for his whole economic policy to be based on a lie, but what does it do? Tariff barriers created fair access. So it's all about fairdom. Americans, look around the company, look around the room. You got some of the most talented people you will ever know in the world. Give us a chance to compete. Level playing field. We will do the work. We will bring in the international business. Many of our jobs, globalization, which I live. Many of our jobs have gone international because of unfair tariff practices. Even when we had property in China, we had to hire a non tariff barrier. We had to hire a Chinese spy to. To be in our telecom companies still in our secrets. Okay. Which is like a. We got to go more. When you look at the impact, we've seen job growth slowing, we've seen GDP growth slowing, unemployment ticking up, employment getting worse. That's all an impact of him slapping these users. He's also tariffing just quickly. Brazil, which has. We have a trade surplus with. So it's not the trade barrier reason. He's tariffing countries where it doesn't make coherent sense because he's upset about this thing or that thing. But then we're the ones paying the consequences. Let's be clear. That's incoherent. Let's be clear about impact in the second quarter, which we're still just finished. In the second quarter, GDP was at 3%, which is a normal range for us. Core inflation is at 2.1 to 2.4%, which is normal for us. Unemployment down at 4. You agree that we saw 48 consecutive months of job growth under Biden and then Trump came in and we lost jobs for the first time in June, I think it was. But we agree there's 4% unemployment. And then. Which is a. Which is. Well, he was handed 4% unemployment. You can't give him credit for that. That's what Biden gave him. Okay, okay, agreed. Biden's economy was good. Not agreed. Not agreed. In Biden's economy, inflation went up. There were some years we handled it better than our G7 counterparts. That was kind of a pandemic thing. We have $6 trillion of new foreign investment coming in. We have a focus on AI. We have a focus on energy, Trump has a right vision for Americans and probably people like you. So let's talk again about his argument. Right. Is that we're going to bring in a bunch of domestic manufacturers, which will be more expensive. Otherwise we would have been manufacturing here already. We sent them elsewhere because it was cheaper. And so he's saying we'll bring factories back. You're saying you send our jobs elsewhere. It's not the manufacturing that's important. They used to have 20,000 manufacturing companies around Chicago alone. Many of them left, never to return. Which are jobs for people like the people in the room and people that support you. That is not for us. Broad strokes, Draconian tariffs as shown by. We're losing manufacturing, we're losing manufacturing jobs. We're not. I can talk about companies I work for. Google it. We'll do a job for the manufacturing job. Manufacturing jobs, they have more orders. They can deliver. Those are anecdotal, not the broader. Tell me why you're against fair trade for Americans. Oh, I'm for that. And if Trump wanted to negotiate, then how do you get to it without doing tariffs? If he wanted to use it as a threat? Right. He goes to countries, he says, you have these trade barriers. If you don't reduce them, I'm going to slap tariffs. That would be one thing. That's not what he did. So you think if these work. But that's not what happened. He just slapped tariffs on the whole world, including an island with penguins on it, and then started trying to make deals, but it wasn't really working. So it just started. Wait, really hear this. Not very many. It was like three that were actually deals. And then he just started sending letters to countries with no concessions saying, hey, this is your tariff rate. So there was no concession. We still have to pay higher tariffs here. We don't get the benefits that he says we're going to get, but we get the downsides of paying higher taxes. We get them a chance to employment. The companies I work for get chance. Well, it's not working. Okay, pause. You've been voted out. My friend Luke. Nice to meet you. Hi. Hi, Luke. How are you? Good, how are you? What's your name? My name is Rosalynn. Rosalynn. Yes. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. So we're going to do this with everyone. We agree. Trump lies when he says foreign countries pay the tariffs. You know what's interesting about that is that if they weren't paying something, why were they so hard working trying to get out of it? China, Japan, Mr. Japan is not paying the US government in tariffs. Correct. Money is coming in. Money is coming in from multiple countries. First of all, you have uae, Saudi Arabia, Japan, South Korea, tariffs, yes or no, that have all come to the table to give more than a trillion dollars in tariffs right now. Are these countries paying us in tariffs? I do not. That's what Trump says. Agree that the tariffs were the best idea, but I'll go ahead and give you that. Okay, cool. But all of the deals that Trump himself has made with countries that are bringing in over a trillion dollars to give to the economy, where they're going to make money off of the American people, it's going to be great. Okay, so major point. I hear it, but let me connect two thoughts. If Trump's so willing to lie to you, saying that foreign countries pay the tariff, which he repeats constantly, which is not true, then maybe he's lying to you about how many investments are happening. Like when they try to document it on their website. The last time I checked, they were able to document like 2.6 trillion and 1.3 trillion of that was from the Biden era in foreign investments in the United States. So if he's willing to lie about the policy he screams about such a beautiful word, tariff, then he's probably willing to lie about. Thank you, you're good. About how many investments are happening. Okay, first of all, these countries actually came here, made the investments, spoke to the media. How do you know that this is not the ether? They showed up here in the United States, South Korea, Japan, all of these different people, either they got there or they didn't. And they are going to invest. They're made up numbers. But trillions of dollars into our economy to relieve the tariffs. Be good, but there will be more jobs. I heard you. In this economy than what we can probably. Why are we losing jobs right now then? You want to know something? We were losing jobs under Biden. We had historic job growth. But that is not true. It's true a couple things. First of all, why do we outperform every single country on the planet under Biden in our recovery from the pandemic? We saw better GDP growth, historical unemployment. And then Trump has claimed he brought in $17 trillion in investment to the United States. Okay, our GDP is like 27, 28 trillion. Does that make any sense? You. You think he's about to bring that numbers that Trump said, but you're quoting to me numbers that Biden said? No. So you want to say if you don't believe one, why do you Believe the other Trump saying in front of a mic, 17 trillion is different than the Bureau of Labor Statistics. I'm not talking about his words, Trump's words. Nowhere in the government have they been able to substantiate 17 trillion. Zero. They've only been able to substantiate, as I said, like 2.63 trillion. And a big chunk of that comes from the Biden era. Whereas the jobs numbers can be substantiated by independent sources and are the institutions we go to for those trackers. The unemployment, the gdp, all of those things are actually mathematically substantiated, whereas Trump's big, bold claims aren't. Do you want to know something? You've been voted out by the majority. Please return to your seat. It's a pleasure. Nice to meet you. Luke. Hello. Doing a good job over there, buddy. You're tough. Thank you. Let's see what you got for me. Let's go. So you agree Trump's lying when he says foreign countries pay the tariff? I don't say he's lying, but he's wrong. But I'm saying it's not the complete truth. It's not true at all because everybody is involved in who's paying tariffs. Ultimately, it's the companies doing business, but then ultimately it ends up with the consumer. So I have some good feelings about tariffs. I have some not so good feelings. But what I like about it is he's stirring up the pot. He's stirring up the conversation. And what I like about that is he's got the world talking. Stirring. I don't want to stir. If I have to pay more. I do. Stop stirring. Oh, I do. You want to pay more? I want to stir it up. You want to stir it up? Absolutely. I like the world. Jobs, which we have. No, I don't like jobs. I don't like the job. We lost jobs in June for the first time since the first time Trump was president. President. I don't like losing jobs. And I agree with you. I don't like losing jobs. But what I like is. Why do you say it's fun to. We have to get excited about what's possible and the future for our country. And what we call. We're calling magonomics. I'm excited because it's based in capitalism, it's based in free trade. It's based in getting the world involved. How is free trade? That's the opposite of free trade. It's an attachment to trade, and people are going to negotiate the number. I mean, you know the history of tariffs. It used to be this and now it's that and now it's becoming a new thing. But tariffs are just a part of that. What does that mean? Tariffs are just a part of doing business. It's just. No, it's all. It's a trade barrier. It's a tax. It can be a barrier, but you negotiate. If you don't negotiate in business, just so everyone knows here, in case you're next, I don't think you can never use tariffs for anything. There are certain critical issues, but Trump is using them on everything, on all of these things. That's one thing that he has so many strategies causing he strategies. You need multiple strategies, strategies. Have you met him? AI. AI, look at AI. Look what he's doing. He's made the claim semiconductor terrorists, that'll be one thing. But instead he's doing. Semiconductors is a good category. I'm glad we agree on that. A great negotiator doesn't limit himself. He takes as much as he can and he puts it here. Those are just like floating funds. Negotiations are real, bro. It doesn't mean anything. No, they're real countries. He's sending letters with just, this is your tariff rate and then we pay more for it. Tariffs is one thing. Let's move on to something else. Yes, the main thing. Okay, well, let's go next to I think demand side economics, where you really invest in communities that need it and are going to be the quickest to spend that dollar is a much more effective way to stimulate the economy as opposed to like supply side, trickle down economics. Demand. I'm all for demand economics. Trump is doing the most trickle down, insane redistribution of wealth from the bottom of the top with his big, beautiful bill. The largest cut to Medicaid ever. Nearly a trillion over a decade. We need to trim things. We need to tighten things. Wait, wait, wait. He lowered taxes. I'm on Social Security, bro. You think I don't worry about this, bro. He lowered taxes. I don't worry about this. For the richest Americans, I'm for that. I'm for that. For why I'm taking money from the poorest Americans because the richest people are business owners and they're who are creating jobs. Without jobs in America, Luke, you know this. Without a job, Luke, in America, without a job, you have nothing. You have no shot at anything. Right? Which the most important thing, ripping away funds to critical programs hurts. This is a community. They now have less money. They have. We got to tighten. We got to tighten money. We got to tighten Up. We give too much out. Let's just. Too much focus. Did you just shush me, Luke? I did. I apologize. All right. You're forgiven. I shouldn't be. Get out of here. But do you agree with. Let's just. Let's just focus. Okay? I'm focused. At the same time, he did one of the biggest giveaways to the wealthiest 1%. He's also. Which is increasing our debt. He's also cutting Medicaid. So it's not about tightening up because he's increasing the debt with these tax cuts for the rich and he's cutting Medicaid. That doesn't. That's tightening up. It's expanding the rich. I can talk about Medicaid. Medicaid has been taken advantage of. You slapped my hand. Well, I hope it's okay. Medicaid has been taken advantage of. People are getting Medicaid. They don't deserve Medicaid. They don't qualify for Medicaid. It's not okay. So I like it. I like that he trimmed Medicaid. A trillion dollars over a decade is going to cut a bunch of people who do do rely on it, who aren't scaling the process. We need to get them healthy. We need to get them healthy. I focus on. Let's get the population healthy. We got a bunch of sick. We're not going to do it by taking away their health care. Well, let's. Let's put the money into fitness and health programs. I like that. He's not doing that. He's giving it to rich people. No programs to get you healthy. I will heal you one way you can. No. This is the best you got, bro. Come on. Luke. Hello. Hello. Gene. Gene, nice to meet you. Okay, so about tariffs. It's actually very simple. All we have to do. Just look what happened before. In 1913, the only money coming into United States was from tariffs. We had more income. Yeah. Something bad happened, but not because of that. The terrorists were bringing so much money that we was able to buy the land. We could borrow the money to other countries. Everything was fine. Then there was a creation. The financial system. Okay, now, but the history, the history has the facts right. We had economy running beautifully just on the tariffs with no income tax, no land tax, nothing else we didn't have. Why is it not going to work this time? So we have a fundamentally different economy. And I think you have rose colored glasses about that time. And we then went into the Great Depression not too long after. No, no, no. Let's focus. But we have a Fundamentally different economy. Unless you want us to get rid of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid completely, then it's not going to make any sense for us to pretend like we can go back to a time where we had a fundamentally different tax structure. So just because we were talking about it before, we'd have done a lot of tariff talk. And I think I made my point on that. I would love to hear your stance because I thought every, I thought we were populists in this room. Maga. Populism. But we're okay giving huge tax breaks to wealthy folks while you're ripping away health care for millions of Americans because that's an economic problem. What is your fat wealthy getting a tax break? Oh, that was in Trump's big, beautiful bill. Every single independent. It was absolutely. No. Okay. The fact is the tariffs bring money right now in. And here's what he's proposing. With the money we're going to do, the people who's going to make less than $250,000 will get paid back. People. He's not going to give that to you, I promise. You can't see the future. I can. Right? I can. No, you can't. I really can. Look at my eyes. You can't. It's a illusion. You have sadness in your eyes. No. So, I mean, okay, maybe, maybe you wait for him to give you some paycheck, but in the meantime he's ripping away health care. In the meantime, he's taking away SNAP benefits. In the meantime, he's giving huge tax rates to wealthy folks. That's arranged. We just had the beauties. The biggest fraud uncovered in Social Security and Medicaid and it happened under this administration. Under Trump. Yes. Okay. Are you. What do you mean? Okay? So that's why a bunch of people have to lose their health. That's not. Just to be clear. My issue is that he's, he's bloating the death, the debt, the deficit while he's giving tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans. If you look at independent analyses, you'll see the, the combined outcome of this bill, which is not a good economic policy. It's a part of his magnanimics thinking. The trickle down nonsense is that the poorest Americans lose wealth. Literally. That's the analysis. And the wealthiest Americans gain wealth. Okay, okay, pause. We're out of time tonight. Turn down the noise of the day and focus on the rest with agz, the nightly drink for winding down and resting up. New from AG1. 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And I really want you to think about your prompt. Trump is an authoritarian threat to democracy. He doesn't respect elections. He doesn't respect the nonviolent principles of approaching our democratic process, doesn't respect court rulings, is degrading our democratic process in a lot of key ways. Okay, so I want you to really think about what you're saying here. He's had two assassination attempts because of rhetoric that you're giving right now. I disagree. Charlie Kirk is dead because of rhetoric that you are stating right now. Don't you think it's time to take down the rhetoric? Yeah, I think absolutely. And I actually make an effort to lower the rhetoric. But me identifying someone's ideology and saying through peaceful means we should push back against someone's authoritarianism is exactly in line with peaceful principles. What happened to Charlie Kirk is an abandonment of all of the principles I hold dear. That was horrific. And so the way that we push back against authoritarianism, like for example, if we're saying political violence is wrong, and that's what I believe and that's why I am horrified by what happened to Charlie Kirk. Then is it not anti democratic, not in the interest of a peaceful approach to a democratic process for Trump to pardon January Sixers? Well, no, because a lot of they were violent. Not all. No, specifically think about people insulted. I have a friend. No, I don't want to hear about your friend. I'm talking about specifically violent offenders. One Daniel Rodriguez stun gunned an officer. He had a heart attack. I'm asking is it correct that there were people who assaulted police officers violently who got pardons and are you okay with that? Yes, because their due Process was violated when people. It wasn't. They had their trial. No, they had their whole due process. Unlike the people that Trump is going to. Let me speak. I just don't appreciate if you're going to avoid. Let me answer you. While I actually believe that we should not be violent. It sounds like you're okay with some people who were violent. I'm not. Which scares me. I think that's not lowering the temperature of the United States, which says that you have the rightful transfer of power. I believe that you have a right to a quick and speedy trial. I believe when you weren't a non violent offender. We're not talking about them. Yeah, we're talking about the question I brought up. No, you're just. For me to be right. No, you brought up violence. You brought up violence specifically. Okay, so Ashley Babbitt, let me ask you. Ashley Babbitt is dead. Do you think a 5 foot, 100 pound girl. I would love, I would love to get to Ashley Babbitt next and discuss that case, but you're not letting me answer your question because you're not even trying to answer my question. Yes, I am. Every time I don't. People were thrown in jail for four years without a trial. Unlike Brady material was withheld in their trials. It sounds like. So you aren't willing to acknowledge we. It sounds like you're not willing. Hours, long conversation. People were. It would be an hour conversation if we want to get to each individual case and for you to say let's get back to the pardoned. Yeah. The prompt is Trump is authoritarian, threat to democracy. Okay, so Joe Biden, pardon, murder. That's Joe Biden. You were okay with that? He did. He was. He removed people off death row, which is different. You've been voted out by the majority. Please return to your seat. Nice to meet you. Hello. Hi. What's your name? John. John, nice to meet you. That's a good handshake. Thank you. Luke is my name Luke. I'm sorry. So what'd you think of that? Where do you disagree? Several places. First off, you're saying that Trump is a threat to democracy. Yeah. Do me a favor and define that better for me. Yeah. I think if you don't respect key democratic principles, like so we don't get caught up. I'd love to, but on January six, the entire time we could shift to him threatening media companies, which is not in the interest of. I think if you're doing things against like the First Amendment that wouldn't be very in the interest of our democratic process. And so lately, I'm sure you've kept up with his FCC investigating and threatening media outlets that say stuff that Trump doesn't like. Trump recently said that protesters literally who screamed at him at a restaurant should have RICO cases brought against him. I'm sure people are rolling their eyes because they don't believe that's true. You can find the clip that's completely disconnected from what we should hold dear as Americans, though. Here's what I think about it. I think that the fundamental, the bedrock of our democracy is civil discourse. Don't you agree? Totally. Okay. So when you speak over the last speaker, you're getting rid of civil discourse. You're turning a dialogue into a monologue. No, I think it's just heated civil discourse. It's heated civil discourse that you can explain away, but doesn't get anything done. I'm here to understand you and be understood by you. And when only you speak, we're not getting anything done, if any. I'll just warn everyone. If anyone doesn't even try to acknowledge or respond to the points that I'm bringing up to the claim I'm bringing up, then I'm going to have to stop you because we have limited time. And I don't want you to just say a bunch of random stuff. I get it. So just like there, you brought up me interrupting when I'm talking about the president's doing. Me interrupting. The last individual is a lot less consequential than Trump. Threatening media outlets who say things he doesn't like. It's fundamental to our democracy. But can you address that part? Because we're talking about Trump. I'm talking about how we even get to a presidential election. Okay. We have to be able to talk to each other. I agree. We're doing that. We have to be able to listen to each other. Yeah. We will never know if she was going to get to her point or not. Because you didn't let her. Well, sometimes if you take too long to get to a destination, I'm going to give up on it. Okay, then I'll go to my next point. You say that Trump is a threat to the democracy. The military works for him. Cool. If he wanted to, he could still be in the White House from the first presidency, battling with those who would follow illegal orders. And I'll bet there's a bunch of them. But didn't happen. He didn't even give an order because he was willing to leave the White House when he was told to after he assembled fraudulent Electors to try to stay in power. After he tried to pressure local election officials to defraud their voters. After he riled up a mob that attacked the Capitol to try to prevent the certification. And then yeah, after all of those legal schemes failed, he ended up leaving because everything ran out. And after. That's like an attempted. Someone who attempted to murder someone. You saying it's not bad because they weren't able to do it. And after all that, the system worked. The system prevented somebody from being that bad. But how does that not make him bad for trying? Just like an attempted crime. I think he did what anybody would want to do. And that is claim to power. Yes. It's just like why did no other president deny the peaceful transfer power like him? He was the first one. The first one. Why did Al Gore take the hanging chad situation all the way to the conceded. Did Trump ever concede the 2020 election? Did Trump ever concede like Al Gore did? Al Gore. That's an important question. I don't think so. Bring up. No, he didn't. And that's bad, right? Al Gore, actually that. I think we got into a really important place here. And now you're talking over me. Well, because you're bringing up Al Gore. Al Gore did the thing that Trump never did and that's my problem. And you're going to respect democracy if you don't concede elections. Trump's civil discourse, no pun intended. Repeat that. What your reason for talking over me? Yeah. Trumps civil discourse. Now, I do intend the pun. I think. Nice. I think Trump attacking media outlets, staying in power or trying to stay in power illegally after losing an election fair and square is much more dangerous than me speaking over you. Do you really do? You've been voted out by the majority. Please return to your seat. Good one. Thank you. All right. Luke. Shane. Shane, nice to meet you. Shane. Another good and shake. Yes, thank you. So we'll try not to talk over each other because I've got three Gen Z kids. Okay, so I want to hear what you're saying. I think part of the problem is we don't allow dialogue and we don't handle it correctly. We can't repay arrogance for arrogance hatred. But the question is Trump is a threat to democracy, correct? Yeah. Number one, you mentioned because of the election, he wouldn't concede to like you mentioned, Al Gore challenged it, Hillary challenged it in 2016, both conceded. But your position is he didn't concede, he fought it. And I think what we need to do also on your side is you got to get all the facts because there are so many shenanigans and things going on. And actually, Trump supporter, I'm a policy supporter, so I look at not the person, but the policies they support. So, yeah, he didn't concede in that way. But there was so much with the voting, the dominion system. And so that's why I'm not trying to listen. But okay, go ahead. Where. Let's say Kamala Harris. There are liberal voters who think Kamala Harris, there were all these fraudulent things. And I say, hey, until that's been demonstrated in a court of law, you can't run with conspiracies. You can't say that Trump is an illegitimate president this go round because of their theories about Kamala's election. Would it be correct for her to just start trying to. Like they tried to get Pence to do when she was, when she was vice president and she deployed the ideology that Trump was pushing, which is that she could have blocked the certification to keep Biden in power or trying to elect herself with the certification. That would have been insane. All because of theories that she had. I don't care if you felt like there were shenanigans. If you saw things on social media, it was never demonstrated in a court of law. And now Trump's the president and he can't find such evidence. So my point back to that would be he eventually conceded by how he handled everything. No, I don't agree with how he handled everything, but he obviously conceded because he stepped down. And then you said, that's not the same thing, by the way. Okay, well, and then also the second thing, if I'm not mistaken, is he is going after people, media. If we had time and we talked about how many people went after him incorrectly from Russiagate to this making up of this lies, this topic. You know, I don't know, let's say, even though I would obviously disagree on every single one of the examples you would cite, that those things happen. You would say they're wrong. How does that justify Trump then going after ABC or something? That doesn't make any sense. When Jimmy Kimball says what he said. Right. And that is just totally demeaning lying. And so obviously these people have to be held accountable. But like cbs, he was blocking a merger from going through, using his government authority to prevent a business deal from going through to force them into making the settlement with him. But I don't think that that's insane. Mafia. But your question is, he's a threat to democracy. Democracy, actually, America Isn't a real democracy. It's a republic. Democratic republic. Right. So we put people in positions of leadership who will. A republic is a democratic system of government, guys, based on who we elect into the office. So I don't see he's a threat to that. I think he's trying to protect that. He's allowing the people to have a voice because remember the role of government. He's trying to protect it by the democracy, by undermining democratic principles. But attacking the. What democratic principle is he undermining? What's the main democratic principle is open, like we're doing here, free discourse. And whenever you start bringing these punitive lawsuits and then hurt them with your government power to force them into settlement. Okay, that's one example. One example of many different things. When he's saying he wants protesters who shouted at him in a restaurant to be having RICO cases brought against them, criminal cases for shouting. Right. That's not America. That's not in the interest of a democratic discourse. And I think we agree on that. Again, I'm not promoting everything he does. I'm just saying. Your point, your claim was he's a threat against a genuine democracy. And I just think whenever he was illegally trying to stay in power, like with the fraudulent slate of electors that's trying to. It's fine for him to bring court cases like he did. Right. But then after those failed, he stepped outside of our legal process and kept trying to prevent. What's like getting Pence to reject the service. Oh, yeah, I know. Insane. But what's. Pause. You've been voted out by the majority. Please return to the. All right. Good job, Luke. Thank you. Have a good. Hi. Hello. My name is Shiva. Hi, Shiva. And it's Luke, right? Yes. Which. I love that. It's biblical. Oh, thank you. It's a beautiful name. Thank you. Beautiful man. Well, you're beautiful. Oh, thank you. My argument is that, number one, we are not a democracy. I know that you guys say a democratic republic. First off, we're a constitutional republic. I mean, when we do constitutional democratic. Well. Well, you do the Pledge of Allegiance. What does it say? And to republic and to the. The republic. What is a republic? And what is a republic? It's a balance of power. So of the three branches, who places people into power? Well, the people do, but we don't even. But again. But we have electoral college vote. We don't even go by the popular vote. Well, then he's a threat to our republic. But by the way, Republic is a Republican constitutional republic. You Know this. This is the first lie. So there's even a lie in the question. That's why it's hard for me to unfortunately argue a lie in the question after this is over. And what you're saying is incorrect because we live in a democratic system and that system is a representative. Well, it's not even democratic when you've got all these liberal states that don't allow us to present an ID to vote. Kamala Harris won. Kamala, you have to know the pronunciation right now. I'll call her what I want to call her. Okay? She only won in states where there's no voter ID laws. How is it a democracy when you didn't even get to pick your presidential candidate? How is that a democracy? We did. There were primaries. No, there wasn't. And then. No, they installed her. The parties are an organization. The parties are an organization. And then they can choose their candidate. I disagree. I would love to make sure every single democratic primary is very, very democratic. But I would love to focus because that's a whole other interesting topic. You said your point. Do you have a defense of. I guess you're saying you don't. Do you not care because you don't think we live in a democracy. That would be strange to me. No, we're in a constitutional republic because it's not the 51% that tells a 49% what to do. That's mob rule. Google later. If the mob wants to kill this person, innocent person, they would die. That's an absolute democracy. You're right. We don't live in an. It's a democracy, but we have a representative Republican governed by the constitution, which is in democratic system. But whatever. We're not even equal branches of government either. That's another line. Whatever you feel. Are you okay with what I've been bringing up before him ignoring due process? No, he's not okay. I have four friends that were locked up. Let me finish. Oh, gosh. So the four friends. Now one of them. Yeah, I'm not going through that. Let me just. Let me finish what I'm saying, okay? With someone who violently assaulted a police officer. Someone was breaking the window of the capitol and that was an antifa member. You can even hear the crowd saying antifa. Antifa. Did the fake media show that no was the one. Ed reached up and pulled the guy out of the capel and guess which one went to jail? Let's say they're antifa. Then why did Trump. No, they didn't pardon Antifa. Who were the people violently Assaulting police officers, then. No, there was one guy. Who were those people? There was one guy that got a Taser and I was not okay with that. What about beating people with flagpoles? What about stomping on someone, a police officer's head? Oh, I never saw that. Oh, really? Dempsey, David Nicholas Dempsey. I don't know about that. I've never saw it, but. So I never saw that. I saw people that died that day and there were patriots. And no media said that that was true. It is not in the interest of democracy for violence to be how we go about. The reason I'm opposed to people trying to assassinate Trump, the guy who assassinated. I'm against violence, too. Is against our peaceful democratic process. So is giving a reward to people, honoring people, in a sense, by pardoning them specifically. Then we can move on to the other people, get due process. They were locked up. They didn't get to present. No, I'm not going to go by the fake media that has lied to us. What about the video of someone, boom, boom, onto a police officer's head? And I don't know who that was. Why can't you just say? But it probably was an antifa member? Because those people admitted that they were paid to do that. Wait, okay, I know. You know what? I ran. I ran a rally in Beverly Hills and I had a detective that was watching over me. He gave me a picture of Antifa saying that they're going to look like us. It's crazy that I've been brought forward of that. And they said it was misinformation when I got it directly from the Beverly Hills police station. Just focus. No, no, you don't tell me what you do. See, you. People like you like to control people like me. Oh, my gosh, you've been voted out by the majority. Please return to your seat. Nice meeting you. Who's doing a Mark Brown? Mark. It's a nice voice. Yeah, it's useful. Maybe it'll be useful today. Yeah, in this kind debate where we respect each other and everything. You know what I mean? Yes. Anyway, my point about, you know, Trump being a threat to the democracy is that, you know, when, when Trump lost the election, even though he thought that there was voter fraud and had what he had considered evidence of voter fraud and tampering and all that, he still left office. He left the office. And when he left the office, his own, his own actions demonstrate that he will not defy the election results. So he did willingly leave office. An insurrection is when you go to overthrow an elected official in office, such as a president. Like when they overthrow people in other countries, you know, to get rid of dictators. You agree? Right? Do you know what the fake electorate scheme was? Yeah, I know of it. Yeah. So after he lost his court cases, then he tried to get people who weren't the lawful elected electors to fraudulently claim themselves to be so that Mike Pence could pretend those were the real ones and then he could stay in power. It is true that he ultimately left office. People were talking about, is Secret Service going to have to rip him out? Is the military going to have to. We can't say. Just because someone fails at something, it's not bad that they tried it. Well, I mean, I could say this, like right now, he's a Democrat. He's a. He's a legally Democratic elected president right now. And I promise you, when his term is up, no matter what and someone else wins, he's going to willingly leave that office. Now, people say that he started an insurrection, and insurrection is not what happened that day. It was. It was a protest against what everyone felt was voter fraud. And then it got left, throws this rhetoric out that he's an insurrectionist. And it's not even a definition. I actually didn't use that word here. But no one's answered the question he just recently said, and I'm going to bring it back up. And I hope that if Biden or Kamala said this, you would find it outrageous. People were screaming at him in a D.C. restaurant, and he was sitting in the Oval Office reflecting on it, and he said, I've asked Pam Bondi to bring RICO cases against people like that. People who are peacefully protesting, shouting in the vicinity of the President. Well, no, Disagree. Right. No, look, I agree. Look, I'm a guy that just did 23 years in a penitentiary. I just got out. I did 11 years in isolation. So I know what it's like to be on that side of the law. Yeah. But what I'm saying is when people are at a restaurant and this is the United States, we're supposed to be civil. We're supposed to be. We're supposed to have a moral compass. Do you think it's right that people are allowed. No. Do you think it's right that people can stand in a restaurant, a public place, and scream and yell. Yes, that. That really the restaurant, you don't know what. Disturbing the pieces that's disturbing the restaurant, by definition would have the right to remove them. The attorney general doesn't have the right to lock them up. Because they raised their voice. No, for sure. No, for sure. I'm gonna agree. Sometimes. Sometimes he will go off course. We're out of time. Oh, it's going well? Yeah, it was cool. All right. Nice to meet you. My next claim is Trump supporters are not patriotic. No. She's back. Let's have a conversation. Okay, let's not talk over. I'm willing to listen to you if you're willing to listen to me. Deal? Deal. Maybe. Okay. So you say that Trump supporters are not patriotic. Yeah. You're 23 years old. Did you ever consider joining the military? No. Both my brothers do. But I agree there are people who do very patriotic things. But the ideology itself, maybe better said, is not a patriotic ideology. How did you come to that conclusion? Well, it's actually what we've been talking about a lot, which is that I think undermining our democratic or our republic values, I think that attacking our democratic institutions, attacking free speech, none of that's patriotic. I think covering up the Epstein files is not patriotic. Okay, so let's go there. You brought up the Epstein files. Who's Les Wexner? Tell me. Well, it seems that I've been looking into the Epstein files for about seven years. You were probably about 14 years old, yet you guys don't know anything about the case. I have no interest in connecting it to anybody. I'm saying only Trump, that. No, no. Trump's the president. And Trump is currently being asked by even people like Marjorie Taylor Greene to be transparent, Release everything. Let's both say nothing's bad about that. No, I've been trying to get them released for seven years. Credit to you. So then do you agree that to me, it's not American patriotism for him to push back against that for so long? Well, I think the thing is he knew that the Democrats were going to try to turn this and make it about him. Release it then. They can't. You said you let me talk, so let's do this. The defense attorney of Virginia Giuffre, who basically said that Donald Trump was the only one that helped with the case. Okay. Suddenly you guys want to use it as a talk. You don't know anything. Out. You made your point. Now let me make mine. Okay. Let's assume everything you're saying is absolutely correct. Great. Why won't he release them then? It silences your rights. An Obama judge has blocked a lot of the files. No, no. Do you know about the case? Yeah, that's the grand jury document. Nothing is new in the grand jury documents. You know, can you agree that there is definitely people that were very powerful in institutions that did not want to be exposed, that did very evil thing with children. Now, the thing is, there's a lot of this evidence, and I hate to say it is destroyed. I hate to say it. There were cameras and film and videos in every single, single one of these rooms. We're on the same page. Can we agree it's a little weird? No, it's not. No, it's not. He's calling up. He's calling up the White House is calling up Republicans and saying this is a hostile act. If you sign onto the discharge petition. No, it's not. He said release everything out loud, but then he's calling people saying it's Marjorie Greene. Do you have think Marjorie Greene is lying about Trump? I haven't seen him say that. I. I have not seen discharge papers, so I can't speak. Well, that's what's being debated. But what I can say that I will agree with you on. I don't like that he's calling it a hoax. I will agree with you on that. Now with president. You've been voted out by the majority. I think I did better. We did do better. We did better. Let's talk. Thank you. Yeah. For real. Can't believe I got to meet Harry Sisson. Goddamn. Pleasure. He's a good buddy of mine. You're much more likable than Harry Sisson. Oh, let me tell you that. Stop it. You are. You're charming. Oh, stop. What do you. I like your bandana. Oh, thank you. I had to wear it during the lockdown because Biden was so patriotic. He shut down the country. Who was President 2020? I believe Donald Trump was. I remember the stuff goes. Yeah. And he used Operation Warp Speed. And let me point something out. Yeah. I'm not going to sit here and cite because I spend a lot of the day drinking. But what I'm going to say is that in 2020, Trump was president. Correct. And he rushed the vaccine to the market. Market the vaccine and then we'll get to Epstein. And I know it was. We don't have to go there. I just want to talk about. I didn't have to go there either. What an island. But what I'm saying is. Thanks for getting me. Thank you. Thank you. You're doing great yourself. In 2020, a lot of people get confused that Trump rushed the vaccine to the market to try and save the left from stealing the election. And we won't get into that. And he said here's the vaccine. And because. False. He didn't rush it to the market. Election wasn't stolen. Okay. Oh, okay. In 2020. Okay. He rushed it to the market and he said, here's the vaccine. What are you talking about? He rushed. Okay, we're getting to this, right? That was good. Rushed the vaccine to the market. Yeah. Awesome. Did he mandate it? No. Very good. No, he did not. Ish. He said, here's the vaccine because he's so patriotic. We're getting to that. He said, you are free to get the vaccine or you're free to not get the vaccine. But let's open up the effing country. I'm not going to say in front of this too. Thank you. So once the country got open, then Biden came in because he's so patriotic. He said, you get this vaccine or you lose your job. Yeah. Okay. Now that didn't happen. That didn't happen. What didn't? Please tell me what did not happen. Didn't happen. Yeah. What didn't happen? Yeah, he would. There were restrictions on the federal level. None of them were like vaccine or jail. None of them were job or jail. It was either testing. Just say none of them. I can't believe. Hey, the ones you're talking about had exceptions where you could do testing at a certain frequency. Testing or vaccination testing. Who invented that? Don't ask him. He's dead. I wonder why are you out of your mid brain? I feel like I've let you go on completely unrelated to what I was saying and you misstated even what a mandate was. But that's okay. I just explained it to you. There were two options. But you don't understand. That's fine. Let's get back to the core of the matter. I just said you could either. With the job requirements you're talking about, there would be testing options as well if people weren't getting the vaccines. If individual employers. It's just true. It's just true. If individual employers. Do you read papers? All the people that are getting their jobs back and being forced out of their job. Federal government workers. Yes. The federal government has a right to say you have to get certain vaccines. The military is on that all the time with a bunch of vaccines, for example. And that's perfect. How about the nurses that are winning public health suits against places for getting fired? Great. Let me go on so that we don't do a whole vaccine debate, because I know you're a little off the rails on that, but that's what he do. Good. I do want to ask. You've heard a lot of the debates we've had which have built my argument about the lack of patriotism in supporting Trump. And that is not accepting election results. That is going after media companies. That is like election results going after media companies that you don't like ignoring court. And let me ask you something about January 6th, the insurrection. Let's say that I'm Donald Trump. Okay, great. Let's say that you're Joe Biden. Okay. And let's say that people think you stole the election. Let's say you did, hypothetically. Okay. Let's say you stole the election. And we go to that January 6th thing. Yeah. And I think it's stolen. Don't I want that process to go through? Don't I want that to go through so we can validate the election? Wait, wait, wait. It's stolen. Who wants to stop it? The people that stole it. And then I'll add one more thing and I will yield my time to the floor. Okay, then. If it's an insurrection, how come the only gun we saw was the guy that blew away Ashley Babbitt? There were guns. Cause we can bring guns. Because in a patriotic country, you have the Second Amendment. I can't look into your beautiful eyes. That's why I keep looking away. Go on. Okay, so a lot of that was just gibberish. I apologize. But there were guns actually in the crowd, but it's okay. You don't believe that. That's fine. And you keep throwing around insurrection. Insurrection. It's not true that the process going forward required people to storm the Capitol. The process storm. They were allowed in. How did they get through the two ton redundant doors? You're not listening. What Trump was trying to do was to get Mike Pence to not certify the lawful election results. We're going to keep going through this. None of y' all can defend that. Because none of you would want to admit that a Democrat would have that power. Focus on that and see if you can defend it. Do you think if Kamala Harris, after they lost the election, would have the power to reject the lawful certification of the electors like Trump wanted Pence to do? Which was why people said, hey, didn't they do that in 2016 as well? They're always. They didn't. They literally didn't. Joe Biden certified as Vice President Trump's victory. Right, right. Okay, okay. Mike Pence was being pressured by Trump, which is why people stormed the Capitol. Trump was posting out. Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what he had to do, which was reject the certification of the electors. He didn't get the chance to anyway because the FBI, who may or may not have been there, because the FBI didn't confirm it. Hey, you're not hearing me. What do you agree that Kamala Harris would not have had the power to reject the lawful certification of the election. That that's a ceremonial role whenever Trump won. Yes. You did that wholeheartedly. Because it doesn't matter. Then why was no one does it. Then what? Trump tried to get Pence to do it. That's why people were screaming hang Mike Pence. Yes. And Mike Pence didn't do it because they interfered with the process. And I think that was the FBI. Huh? I'll say it again. Mike Pence, even if he wanted to do it and he didn't. And that's why the second time in office where Trump is in the second time. Cuz he left peacefully the first time. He knew who his enemies were and that's why Pence is not back and that's why Vance is back. And one more thing. Vance was going to run with Charlie Kirk, rest in peace, but they assassinated him, which was terrible because the left is the party of violence and hatred. We're talking about January 6th. I know, but I get carried away. You just justified. You just did what? What Trump wanted Pence to do. You said, I guess there was a fed direction to prevent Pence from rejecting. I didn't say it definitely was. I said it doesn't matter. But Pence, it does matter. It doesn't matter. This is the epitome of a lack of patriotism, is to not accept the free and fair election result. But he whole point, it went through anyway. You could say all you want, but whether you're saying he wanted Pence to do it, which he never got the chance to because the Fed selection. I like that. I'm stealing that bit. Oh, that's gone. I've talked to a lot of you. I know. It's nice preventing it so we can sit there and say, well, Trump was definitely going to do it. And yet here Trump is back. Here Trump's back. It all. It's just like. It's like you're verbally barfing all over me. That cost extra. Disgusting. Okay, pause. You've been voted out. He's back. He's back. And you never left. That's cool. I know. So you agree. You agree with everything I said? Rejecting labor, bad attack and free speech, bad. Not Releasing EPC files. Bad. Not patriotic. Cool. Good. You enjoy framing the argument in terms that you know you've practiced and you can win. I'm here to submit something else. Thomas Jefferson said, the tree of liberty must from time to time be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots. That doesn't sound very peaceful. You just got onto me for interrupting you. My point is, what we've got going on here, this Democratic John, this Democratic experiment, I don't want blood of anybody, is messy. And it's supposed to be because you got strong, you got intelligent, strong willed people who are capable of formulating their own opinions. And sometimes that means that you talk over people. Sometimes that means that conservatives can endure the slings and arrows of outrageous leftists because it's messy and it's supposed to. And sometimes a Democratic former speaker of the House of Minnesota gets murdered by a Trump supporter, right? Terrible, terrible, awful. Sometimes people violently attack police officers to try to prevent the peaceful Transpower. Awful, awful. January 6th. Awful. And sometimes people lay not neutron. Sometimes people lay on their bellies from 2 or 300 yards away so they can get a shot at the President or Charlie Kurt. Awful, awful, awful. And sometimes. But people, and sometimes people get on YouTube and dance about it. Awful, awful. See, I'm principled. I actually don't like violence. But y' all seem to justify violence a lot. How? I've just had like 12 conversations with people like, well, well, maybe assaulting police officer. Well, maybe it wasn't that person. And maybe it was actually antifa. And maybe it was actually. I don't recall anybody over here putting their hands up on their heads and saying, I'm saying the words. They're justifying it by not just saying, just like murdering Melissa Hortman, just like murdering Charlie Kirk, just like trying to murder Donald Trump. Acts of political violence to further a political goal is bad. And I'm against it across the board. You, many of you are not. When you justify what happened on January 6th. Forgive a sports analogy. Imagine a football field. Most of America's on the 50 yard line, Republicans on the right 40 yard line, Democrats on the left 40 yard line. Personally, over my life, I'm 67, during my lifetime, I've gotten dragged back to maybe the 30, 35 yard line. Leftists have run away with the Democratic Party. You guys are in the end zone on your way out of the stadium. I had a really good snow cone the other day that was as relevant as what you just said. It illustrates everything. Why are you justifying January 6th that doesn't mean I'm not justifying January 6th. Cool. Well, then that's not patriotic. Yes, it is. January 6th is because people on the right are closer to the middle. In order for people who are still in the middle to come over to me, they don't have to sacrifice their core values. You don't have to sacrifice anything if you come to my side. In order for people to go to the left, there's nothing that requires a total mind wipe. Who's going to submit to that? Wait, why? Especially when they can tell their minds are being wiped. Why wouldn't people want to peacefully participate in policy making that implement solutions for working class Americans, invest in infrastructure, invests in increasing wages, expands our healthcare system. Those are my principles. Because it's up to individual thought. It's a quaint custom. It's called independent thought. You're not even. You're just saying random things. What I'm saying is, if people agree with you. My mom's a really nice person. I agree. I don't even know why are we saying random things. She raised a good guy. I'll tell you why. Pause, pause. You've been voted out. Hello? Hello. Okay, I disagree with your statement, and I don't want to talk about January 6th. I mean, we can go there if you want later. But this idea that Trump supporters are not patriotic and we can talk about the ideology. Yeah, Trump's first term, he ran on closing the border. Okay. Building the wall to protect our country. The tariffs that he's putting in now, to protect our country, to protect workers, to protect. Why other countries are charging us tariffs. We're not charging them tariffs. Yeah, he's putting in the policies that he. Now we are. Now we're charging them after. A lot of countries we're tariffing don't have trade barriers on us, but okay, keep going. They do have trade barriers. A lot of them don't, but okay, keep going. Free speech, censorship. You talk about the media. Him blasting the media. Insane. When. When. Who was the first. He was the first one to get suspended off of Twitter. At the time, that was a private company. Different. The government explicitly threatening to remove the licenses of networks they don't like to force them into broadcast changes is explicit censorship. I do not believe that to be true. Private companies going, Whoa, he incited January 6th. We're going to ban him. Is a very. You can disagree with it before January, very different. They took him off. And now we know that it was the White House that was. It wasn't. That wasn't telling Twitter what to do. So you agree it was. The CIA was totally in on all the media. It is true. Okay. Your information more. And your information is wrong. I do disagree. I disagree. What planet are you living in? All right, well, let's. What country? And where are you getting your news? Oh, I know. YouTube. You're listening to Sisson. You're listening to your echo chamber. My only source of information, Harry Sisson. That's true. That's there. That's the problem. Okay, that's it. We find we got the answer. But let's assume your premise, even though it is wrong, but we apparently have a big disagreement on that. Let's assume that Biden did things you didn't like when it comes to free speech. Why would that justify Trump then trying to censor his critics? What is he censoring his critics? I just explained to you, he's the fcc. They want to have a huge merger with abc. It's the largest merger in the history of the. And they're making incumbent on that changes of who gets one person that owns the entire network so that that person can tell. Do you hear what you're. Do you hear what you're justifying? They are trying to make sure that it's not one person that owns every single piece of media. Because guess what happens when that happens. You were monopolizing. Yes, exactly. So he doesn't want a monopoly. He's actually making a requirement. ABC making changes that Trump wants, and then he's going to approve that merger. Are you sure? Brendan Carr. Brendan Carr explicitly said that he was open to raising that cap. That's like a monopoly prevention. And then he went, I'm really upset, though, now with ABC for what Kimmel said. And then, okay, so when the government didn't force that, and then let me give you another example. How do you know with cbs? How do you know? Because he wasn't out there screaming it in public on Benny Johnson's show. Okay, Paul, you've been voted out by the majority. Hello. Hi, I'm Rose. What's your name again? Luke. Luke, nice to meet you. What? My name's Luke, everybody. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. So. Oh, wait, yeah, let me start. Go for it. How do you define patriotism? I think it's loving what our Constitution stands for. Loving what our democratic principles should stand for. Being opposed to authoritarian regimes abroad. Not trying to cozy up to them or apologizing for them, like what Trump does with Putin. Okay, and that's it for patriotism. Right? Those are some your ideology. Okay, so my ideology is patriotism, is about all of us coming together and stopping this constant discourse everybody's getting angry over. Just left part of America is the argument. That's beautiful. But there's no agreement. We should be working together. I think the thing. I was watching something, and there is an organization that wants us divided. They make a lot of money off of it. It's called science. Oh, yeah. So in order for the Americans to get back together, we have to stop all of this basic nonsense and noise. So, like, let me give you an example. I don't take every word that Biden or Kamala says as truth. Whereas it seems like based on a lot of things y' all bring to this table, if Trump says I brought $17 trillion, or if Trump says the election was stolen, or if Trump says it's okay to pardon the January 6ers, y' all just take it. You just totally believe it. And that makes it hard for us to come to some understanding because we're not debating over facts, but just what you heard from Trump. And I don't think believing him over the truth is very patriotic either. So let me give you this. I used to be on your side. Okay. I was. No, no, thanks. I couldn't believe what I've seen under the Biden administration. Like, well, I don't believe castrating children. I don't believe cutting off their breasts. I don't believe in pronouns. I don't believe in that kind of cult ideology. You're turning me finished. Okay, so what Trump is doing now. What Trump is doing now is trying to get us back to the America that we were proud of. Yeah. So I don't. Not this ideology that has nowhere. You were talking about the psyops. You know what's a psyop? Yeah. Is getting you this fixated on what is impacting an incy wincy tiny population and which. What do you mean? Try to name what? Biden. What do you mean by. You were talking about the trans issue and pronouns. That's one issue. Biden. What did Biden do on that subject? I don't know. What did he do? He did. Right. He did nothing. Have you ever heard Biden ever be like, listen, folks, castrate your children? No. No. But Kamala did. And Kamala didn't either. She never did. But I would like to point out to you, you're right now supporting a guy who has literally just signed into the law the greatest, which I don't see this as patriotic either. Redistribution of wealth. From the bottom to the top. It's like reverse Robin Hood. And while it is, I mean, look it up afterwards while he's doing that, you can see just since people are murmuring, you can look at the independent analyses that show you how much wealth is gained by the top and how much is lost by the bottom. And while he's taking away our wealth, our well being, making us pay more in tariffs, he promised to lower grocery prices on day one. Such an old fashioned word. Groceries, he would say, and he didn't. They're going up, energy's going up. All these things are happening. But guess what he gets you to focus on. And how long has he been in office? 3.5. How long has he been in office? 3.5. Trans people in East Main. How long has he been. That's the psyop. How long has he been out of time? Damn it. Upgrade your laundry routine with a durable and reliable Maytag laundry pair at Lowe's. Like the new Maytag washer and dryer with performance enhanced stain fighting power designed to cut through serious dirt and grime. 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What you think are you claim again? Oh, Kamala Harris would have been a better president, so she wouldn't have done that bill I keep talking about. Hold on, hold on. Yeah, there we go. So wouldn't have done the crazy tariffs making us pay more. She was a part of the Biden administration that saw a really strong economy recovering from the pandemic. She would have been just kind of a mainstream. Not great to me, but middle of the road. And that's much better than Trump. Okay. So we're going back to all of the stuff we talked about earlier. Exactly. So tariffs. She wouldn't have done the tariffs. I agree with you in the sense that tariffs. Yes. The importer pays. Yep. So that's no doubt. Right. But you have to ask yourself, why is it that before Trump came along that virtually every single country in literally the world, right, for decades on end, have had tariffs on the United States? So there is. That's not true necessarily. Number one, I already gave the example of Brazil, we have a trade surplus with. So that doesn't make much sense to be tariffing them whenever we actually, they buy more than we buy from them. But the problem is we have the, like, we have the largest economy, we are the wealthiest nation. And so there's a lot of other economies that are still very manufacturing based. And so it's beneficial for us to get cheaper stuff from them and we have more buying power. So, yeah, we're going to have a trade surplus with them, but doesn't mean anyone's being ripped off. And just the characteristics of different economies require them to protect certain industries. We protect certain industries, but pretending like we're going to isolate from the world, which is what slapping tariffs on everyone in every industry does, is economically illiterate because we have built our economic might off of global trade. If you look at the skyrocketing of US dp, it's been tied to us having global trade in the way that we have. So. So now that we're saying, okay, there are certain industries that we need to protect, you're absolutely in favor for tariffs for those. Right. Biden kept some of the tariffs that Trump put in. Likewise, we're falling behind on certain other industries where we produce a lot of goods. Right. So why would it not make sense for us to put tariffs on. He's not doing targeted tariffs. He's doing them broad strokes in a draconian and economically incomprehensible way. The thing is, the gist of it is, I don't think any of us really understand, especially with the threat of terrorists. Right. Just simply the threat of tariffs have stopped wars. We've seen that. Right. We stopped conflicts. Well, I mean, we had the whole seven, 70,000 months, you know, support Trump getting the Nobel Peace Prize. Why? Because he stopped a war between. He stopped the conflict and deaths between Thailand. Okay. So I don't know. We're going a little bit. Well, but no, it's my point. If they were coherent like he argues they are, then we wouldn't be seeing the Negative economic recovery repercussions that we're seeing. It's your opinion. It's not voted out of the majority. Please return to your seat. Hello. How are you? What's your name? Michael. Michael, first thing I'd like to say is that I am honored to be in Surrounded's company. Charlie Kirk sat in that chair not too long ago and I wish his wife and children nothing but the best. I hope you would agree with that. Totally agree. Thank you. Make your claim. Kamala. Oh, yeah. Kamala Ayers would have been a much better president. Okay. Because she would have had a pretty mainstream middle of the road economists, hundreds of economists came out before the election and endorsed the fact that her economic approach would have boosted gdp, boosted jobs, whereas Trump's, as we're seeing, would shrink jobs over the last four years. Is that what you mean? Like the economy's been doing something like investing in infrastructure, investing in energy projects. What about prime. Dropped historically under Biden. Really? Yeah. Did you drive up here this morning? Crime. Did you drive up here this morning? Really? This a blue state crime stats. Right. You might bring up provocative. It was fine. Was great. It was fine. Do you see the graffiti? Do you see the trash? Do you see the people agree on the. That we should at least look at crime stats, not just. I saw someone. Oh, homeless. Like let's look at stats now. I don't know. Depending on who. Who. You get your stats right. If it's Trump giving it good. If it's kids, the Biden administration. Not even. Not even close. And I really being here, I really want to understand what your mindset is and what you're thinking about. You dismiss the trans ideology. You dismiss that very quickly. We're not doing that. Crying. We can get to that next. We'll get to credit. I gotta say this. Do you realize the indoctrination of the schools that's going on and the percentage of children that are being. For the sake of. For the sake of a product, at least acknowledge it. For the sake. I mean, I definitely asked you first to acknowledge something and we'll do that and then we can move on. So we should look at data to get a wholesale view of the state of crime in America. And what we saw was that homicide rates dropped at this historic clip under the Biden administration. At what historic clip? According to who? It got down to nearly. According to who's. Independent crime analysts. Who is the independent crime? The FBI crime stats. What about me walking down the street crime. All right, so you reject data if it disputes sure. It depends. You're not independent. What? Independent Crime analysis and the FBI crime stats, which is the same stats that Trump is citing whenever he's making. Yeah, you know what? I'll give you that. Okay. I'll give you that. So you're saying over the last four years because there was a pandemic or a spike that happened under Trump and then it carried over, which excuses what. Wait, when Trump was president, there was a historic increase in homicide rates last year of his presidency. Okay, but I'm saying I want to be good faith to you and say, hey, there was an impact of the pandemic on that. So I'm giving him some credit by saying that wasn't all because of him. There was the pandemic. Okay, but I'm not agreeing with you. I'm giving you your stats. I don't agree with them, but I'm giving them to you. Pause. You've been voted out by the majority. Okay. Like that shirt. Look. Hey. Thank you. What's your name? David. David. Yeah. Luke is probably the oldest baby boomer here. Nice. I want to apologize for what we've left you. Okay. Because being here from California, you know, being in the military during the Vietnam War and coming back, and we really saw free speech being used to call us baby killers and napalm droppers, and so many veterans came home, ended up committing suicide or still committing suicide. And yet California is one of the freest states in the country. And, you know, I'm 77. So when you're 33, I'll be, what, 87. And so I'm really excited because the knowledge that you have the charisma, that you have the wit, when you start aligning that with personal experiences and that you'll be able to see not the differences, but unfortunately, the similarities with all parties. I mean, here we are in California, a single party rule state. There's a reason that Kamala Harris. That was a new one. Yeah. That she dropped out of the race when she first ran for president because the Democrats in California did not want her. And so all of the criticism, all of the racial slurs against me as being a Hispanic have come from individuals calling me a coconut brown on the outside, white on the inside, a bandito, a sellout, because I was Republican. And so raising my kids here and my daughter, who was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis at 22 and has been in the Medicare system since then, had her hips replaced twice, her knees replaced twice. She's sitting at home with no knee right now, and when she voted for Barack Obama for president, she was proud to do it. When he was elected, she lost her doctor. And so I hear a lot of talk about health care. My focus is on treatment. I was helping a young man who was dying of AIDS. He was diagnosed with AIDS when he was 60 days clean. And I was taking him to Apla, to all the neighborhood community clinics. And this is the reason I got involved in politics, is because the neighborhood clinic that the AIDS patients were going to, they closed it because they had lack of funding. The county did that. That same week, the county gave $3 million to Disney for the concert hall downtown. Now, it's a great building, but there's many reasons that people get involved, regardless of party, in politics. And so that's why I'm saying I'm really excited about you because you're going to start matching some of your personal experiences with the information that you're receiving, and that's going to benefit all of us. A single party rule state like California is not working. We need to have some balance. Okay, pause. You've been voted out by the majority. Please return to your seat. Thank you. Thank you. I got it this time. Hey, man. Hey, I'm James. James, nice to meet you. What was the claim again? Yeah. So Kamala Harris would have been a better president. That's obvious, of course, given all the. Yeah. Given all the damage that Trump's doing, making the DOJ no longer independent in his prosecutorial decisions. He's seeking it. He just, just had this exchange with a prosecutor because they didn't want to prosecute one of Trump political enemies. Boom, he gets rid of them. He's raising prices. He's attacking our democratic institutions, going after media outlets. He lied. He said he was going to lower prices on day one. The opposite's happening. And Kamala Harris would have, at worst, continued the Biden era. Yeah. And in the Biden era, while there were plenty of problems and like, you know, the whole Medicare was, you know, what's 100% right? Yeah. But there were a bunch of wins. There was an Axios piece written in 2024 saying the US is winning the world economic war. Now it's flipped and we're alienating our allies. We're being weakened. We're having a lot of countries because they're. We're being so hostile to them. Cutting off trade with us. Not. Or not buying as much from us. That's hurting US Companies. We're seeing a loss in jobs. We're seeing unemployment go up. Right. So all those Things I think, given the Biden Harris record, would not be happening. Which would make it better. Right. The problem that I have though is that you just listed off a list of things. You know, where do I start? How do we, how do I, how do I figure out where I, where I differ from you in these opinions? Yeah. Do you agree that crime went down a lot during Biden's day? I'm not really sure. I live in Northern California, close enough to Oakland to make people. To make me concerned. Yeah. Yeah. So, so, and then another, I mean, a fun little trivia just since a lot of people have said things about California. California has a bunch of obviously big problems. Oh, yeah. But it's fascinating that people ignore like the top, out of the top 10 highest homicide rates states, 8 out of 10 of them are red states. Right. Deep red states. Right. Way worse than California. Right. But reading. So people act like Sacramento, California is not nearly as I was going to say. People act like there's this really bad crime problem because of democratic governance. But on the national level, you saw Biden invest at a historic rate in law enforcement and in violence reduction. There's got to be a lot of reason. Blue states are actually safer on average than us. Right, right. But there's got to be a lot of reasons for that. But, hey, guys, I'm going to run up my way. Hey, this is the way I do things, so please allow me to paint my picture. Go ahead. I'm sorry about that, sir. Oh, good. Go ahead. I want to. Look, I want to treat you like my favorite older brother, but dude, you're so young. I've got. I've got a 14 year old son and a 16 year old daughter. Come on over to the house and play cards against humanity. Because we're a family of comedians. Nice. Sounds dirty. I'm sorry. All right. Hey, thank you. Take care, buddy. Hey, we meet again. Hello. What are you thinking? Well, the question regarding, would Kamala Harris have made a better president? Yeah. I'd like to open up with just one question for you. Do you believe that when a federal prosecutor withholds exculpatory evidence, evidence that she should be barred from ever holding public office or the bench in a courtroom? I'm not familiar with that reference, but it has nothing to do with. Yeah. Does. Has. That. Has. That has nothing to do with how she would perform? Oh, no, it absolutely does. Because I'd love to compare the record between what Kamala Harris did and would do. Did in Biden's term. Okay. And then what Trump Is doing now. Because that's the claim. Well, let me explain it. Because you admitted that you don't know what this is. World record. Okay. Exculpatory evidence is when a prosecution team and their investigators. Yes. When they find actual evidence that that man they're trying to convict is innocent and they withhold it. Have a specific. That's Akin child moles. I'm uninterested. You're uninterested. That she did a specific anecdote that I'm not familiar with. But what I would like to talk about is the policy record evidence, innocent person and did it four times. Informed conversation. We have to operate on things that we both feel are relevant to this. So I'm asking you compare some of the stuff you've heard, whether it's crime, economic approaches, infrastructure. This is what deems her unfit to hold office. No, no. She literally. We're not debating her fitness for office. We're debating would she perform better as President Trump? Absolutely not. When she's doing things like this. We want to talk about fitness for office. We could go through all the reasons I think Trump's unfit. But I'm talking about. You asked if Kamala Harris would make a better president. I'm talking about the record instead. And the. I am talking about the record. And then while she was attorney general in the state of California, she created a constitutional crisis when she flat out defied a Supreme court order for two years. So we're against that. Was supposed to release 5,000 nonviolent inmates. Hold on. It doesn't matter. What's about 5,000 inmates from cruel and unusual conditions. She defied the largest and most powerful court system in our whole country. So we're against then defying the courts. She did that. Are we against defying the courts? Absolutely. Trump has done it dozens of times. Trump fights the courts because they're trying to convict him. Don't. Everywhere. Don't have a double standard while he's been president. What did he do? What did he do? For example, what did he do? Andri Hernandez Romero. He rotted away in an El Salvadoran prison. He had a lawful asylum claim. He had gone to the border checkpoint. He wasn't breaking the law. And he got. He was here illegally. No, he wasn't. He broke the law when he called. He wasn't. Don't even know this case. You're thinking of the wrong person. You're thinking of the wrong person. Person you're not talking about. No, I just told you his name. Andreas. I don't even Heard of him. Okay, see, just like you said, you've never heard what Kamala did. Great. So Trump defied court orders in deporting this batch of prisoners, and one of them, Andrew, who I'm telling you about Romero, ended up getting sexually abused in this prison, was completely wrongfully sent. Was innocent. Oh, he wasn't an illegal alien? No. Oh, he went legally trying to deport 20 million people. Sometimes when you're trying to get 20 million illegal aliens, your president would not have happened. That would not have happened if it weren't for Trump abiding by the courts, which you just told me you thought was important when it came to Kamala Harris. That's one little instance. One little instance. Pause. You've been voted out by the majority. Mark, please return to your seat. Hey, we got a new one. Got a new one. Yeah. So the claim is about common harm. Harris would have been a better president. Would have been a president. And I've laid out Biden's infrastructure, law, things like that were good. Created jobs. His Inflation Reduction act was good. Created jobs, lowered prescription drug costs. All right, I'd like to take you one higher and pick up the mic from Charlie Kirk and say not only would she have not made a good president, she was a total DEI candidate. How do you mean that? Well, let's go back. No, no. How do you mean that? A DEI candidate. Do you think that a DEI candidate is somebody who is not. Not picked for a role because of their meritocracy? They're picked only for random characteristics. Their skin color, their sexual orientation. You're saying that because she's a black woman. That's why she was picked exactly 100%. She was picked to be vice president because she was a black woman. So tell me, tell me she wasn't even the best black woman to be that could have picked. Tell me, why is it not enough qualifications to be a DA Than an attorney general, than a senator, than a vice president? Why was she more qualified than Stacey Abrams? If you're going to make such a claim, let's actually try to litigate it. She has more qualifications than most people who have ever run Cicero. It doesn't mean. I thought she was a great buttigieg candidate than Bernie Sanders. Stop there. Stop there, please. Buttigieg. He has been a mayor and the transportation secretary. Kamala Harris has been a da, an attorney general, a senator, and a vice president. So she was a senator and a vice president because she was a DEI candidate. She was Peter's principal. She was just put to the race. I mean, you're just throwing out the house, like, hey, Kamala, we got good news for you. You've got a corner office and you're just. Kamala, good news. You're now on the campaign poster. You're just saying that. With absolutely no evidence. What happened in 2020, Biden beat Trump. No, no, no. In February of 2020, South Carolina primary. Right. Biden gets a bunch of. No, it was a test of the black vote. Yeah. Yeah. Cool, right? Who won the black vote? Joe Biden. Yeah. Suddenly, everybody dropped. Why are we going through his. Everybody dropped us already. They all supported him. Then he went off against Bernie. That's right. And I knew that day that he won. I said. He said. I said, that's amazing. In fact, you know what? I made a little meme and put it on Twitter. I said, by 2020, Biden and some black lady. And sure enough, the only people that were clocked about as candidates for his vice president role were Stacey Abrams and Kamala Harris. And then we picked the best option, and he hurt our economy. And he. No, no, no. We're not talking about Biden. We're not talking about Trump. No, I'm talking about Trump. I'm saying Trump. We're talking about Kamala. No. Would be a better president than Trump is the claim. So we have to compare them. And you know what? I think stuffed animal would be a better president than Trump. Trump was actually a guy. Let's compare those who went one by one in his party when he first launched his campaign in 2015. This literally has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. It is exactly what it is. Yes, it is. Because it all comes down to whether she was. Had the merit to even be a vice president all the time. While you're looking at her resume and saying, yeah, she was this. She worked here. She went, yeah. And then you're going like, well, that's why she was going to be a great president, because she had all these little things behind her. You're wired up. Let me just quickly say, I never said she'd be a great president. I have a bunch of. You said she'd be a better president than Trump. You're right. Just wait. All right. I have a bunch of my own policy differences, and I probably would have a lot of critiques for her. But my point is, any slightly competent middle of the road, anyone, it could be a kid, and they would be a better president just listening to their advisors than Trump would. Well, let me say for one thing, earlier on you said that maga. MAGA people are not patriots. I will say this. Yeah. Right. Now, let me give you a definition of patriotism. Okay. That will just settle debate. This is weird. We should just settle debate. No, no, no. Yeah, I'm bringing this in. Do you think Trump should have passed that bill? No, no, no, no. Let me finish my point. Okay? Trump is a better president because he's a better patriot, because a patriot is willing to die for his or her country. And Trump got tested in that very fact. Someone tried to kill him. Assassination. Right. I know. That was bad. Right? And he got up and Charlie Kirk was killed. Do you think Kamala Harris, in your heart of hearts, is willing to die for her country? Or she's just willing to do whatever favors she can do to rise up the food chain? You tell me. In the. In your heart of hearts, do you know this? Would you be in a foxhole with Donald Trump or in a foxhole with Kamala Harris? Anyone but Trump. You'd be bullied about Trump. Yes. And you can rely on Kamala Harris to fight a fight with. You had an option to go into the foxholes, and he lied multiple times to not get drafted. I don't think he was the bravest warrior. Was it pretty epic whenever he got shot and stood up and did this? It was. It was. It was. It was. Guess what? That is very different than being a good president. As we're seeing now, the economy is getting worse. The social tensions are getting worse. Economy is getting worse. Democratic institutions. We lost jobs for the first time since its first presidency. Do you know that a curve that goes up kind of goes up and down and pause. Goes up. Pause. You've been voted out. Okay, good. Thank you. Hello. Pleasure to meet you. I'm James. Hey, James. All right, what's the claim? Kamala Harris will be a better president than Donald Trump? Please try to stay to the topic. All right. I'll give you 12 million plus reasons. Okay. She was supposed to have been the border czar, right? What is that? What is. She actually wasn't technically that, but I get she was trying to work the. What was she supposed to do? As the borders are. Don't you think she should have gone to the border? Yeah. And actually it was pretty interesting. There was a big mess up. I agree. I actually have. Well, what do you mean? I have critiques of the Biden administration's border policy on some fronts, but if you notice, there was a huge drop as the last, like, year of their presidency. Because the last year. Because she was trying to get. Kamala Harris had a much more rigid approach to the border. Do you know how many people at which she was on the border every day in four years? But to equal 12. We're comparing. We're comparing 7,000 people. You actually have the wrong numbers. No, I don't. Yeah, it's over 7,000. You're counting border encounters, the number of people who actually stay in the country. Okay, let's cut it in. Two million. Two million. Let's cut it in two. Oh, it's. That's. Well, you're counting border encounters, but guess what? They kept turning people around and deporting them. Well, they did. Who did? The Biden administration. What do you mean, the Biden? You mean. You mean the border Patrol, right? Yeah. Under the border administration. Border patrol was told to do what? By who? They were turning a lot of people around. Who was told to do that? Hoarding people. Who told the border Patrol to turn these people around? And then they keep coming back again. Dhs, Secretary Biden. I mean, it's a whole government. Where did 12 million plus people come from? They didn't. So there are. There aren't 12 million illegal people in the country. Oh, they're not from the Biden administration. There are, like, from decades, but. Okay. During the Biden administration, how many people. I told you, issue estimates range from 1 to 3. That's ridiculous. If you do the math, between how many people came, how many people were deported, how many people never came but were just encountered. That's the estimate. That is totally false. What do you get? I don't know where you get your numbers from if you ask the Border patrol. Regardless, do you know who Tom Holman is? Oh, yeah. Do you? Well, yeah, but he disagrees with you. Disagrees? I'm sure he does. Entirely. I'm sure he does. He's been there since 1984, since Reagan has been there. So how. And he said that your statistics are bullshit. I'm sure. And I think you know. No, they're not, but I think you do. The crossings dropped. Kamala Harris had a much more aggressive. That's why she was supportive of that really strong border bill that got shot down by Republicans. She. She would have carried that over. Why didn't they do? Okay. And she wouldn't be violating Trump orders and illegally deporting people. Trump closed the legal process. Pause. Been voted out. Please return. All right, getting ready to vote. Hi. Hello. I'm Damaris. Nice to meet you. Two Bible names. Okay, so where would you like to start? Economy Crime. A lot of y' all don't want to talk about Trump's record, which is interesting because my argument is I think there would have been all sorts of problems. Finish your first thought. I will. I think there would have been all sorts of problems with Kamala Harris presidency. I'm critical of any powerful person, but any standard politician would have been better than Trump, who's doing a retribution presidency. He's prioritizing gutting the FBI of anyone who ever worked on a case that he didn't like over having the proper expertise in the FBI. Obviously, as I've explained a lot, his landmark agenda is a horrific reverse Robin Hood. Okay, so all those reasons. Just someone who wouldn't do those things would be better stable datum. I will agree that all of those are talking points that we hear all the time in the media. And to hear you regurgitating them today without any foundational facts is really interesting because Trump is the work at the FBI. Let's take that. Yeah. You mentioned that Trump supporters were not patriotic. I did. But in. In the United States, there is rule of law. So would you agree with me that if an FBI agent subverted the rule of law in order to go after Trump supporters after. I mean, they came for grandmas on January 6th. Grandmas. Little old ladies who walked in the door once arrested. Grandmothers. Okay. They went to Mar a Lago and staged the documents to make sure that Trump. Well, now you've just made a wildly. No, no, there's no, there is. They took a photo. I can give you. Those documents were his. He obstructed the process of getting them back. Okay, so that's wrong. Were you aware. Excuse me. Excuse me. Are you aware that the only reason why they knew what documents they were looking for was because those documents were actually already on file in the. In the Library of Congress. So they knew exactly what. So Trump they were holding on to. They were not his papers. Yes, but I mean, this doesn't really have to do with how good of a president he is compared to Kamala. No, but he went at the FBI, so I'm taking you on that. No, I'm giving you examples that when you start prioritizing retribution over common sense pro working class policies, I think that's bad for America. Where were all as common sense working class politics. Yeah. Like the inflation Reduction Act, I think was really good. I think the infrastructure bill, 9% was good. We brought down after that bill inflation faster than all of our G7 counterparts. You know what? You're again, so That's a data. No, no. Again, driven point, and you're not aware of it. You are, again, going, so some of y' all should do some introspection that you don't know a lot of basic economic data points. Luke, that should inform your understanding of the economy. Luke, you. What you're doing is regurgitating things. You are not stating facts. Regurgitation is not the same thing. It's interesting. You're projecting a lot, what you're doing. I am not giving you anything. Like, people get upset when I give, like, crime stats or. Or inflation stats, or I give you numbers on how much is being cut for Medicaid over the next decade. That's numbers. That's not. That's. We haven't stated any numbers. You just. $1 trillion over the next decade is being cut from Medicaid because of Trump's one big, beautiful bill Act. That's a data point. $1 trillion of fraud. $1 trillion of fraud. Why are rural hospitals closing down? Why did. Okay, okay. Why are they shutting down? Because of this bill. They're signing this bill specifically. Did you hear about the group out of Russia, the international group that was. That was caught with fraudulent Medicare claims? You just accused me of regurgitating things. I don't understand. Then you don't seem aware of the data points that prove rural hospitals are shutting down because of this bill. That's not good. Hospitals in Georgia. No, no, no, no, no. Elsewhere, you think I have memorized the exact name of every hospital that's shutting down because I don't think it's happening. That's crazy. Here's the thing, sir. Look it up. Afterwards, look up. Rural hospital's closed, beautiful bill. The senators who showed. You don't have to defend that. I'm not defending it. You're stating it. I'm not agreeing with it. There's a difference. Well, go look up the facts of the bill. It's in the bill. No, no, no. We're out of time. Please return to your seat. Luke will now choose somebody from the outer circle to debate again based on their claim. Rosalynn. I chose Rosalynn because I thought we had a fun time talking last time. My claim is that the reason the left lost the election is because they don't understand the American people. Wayfair's big sale is returning. Get ready for way day. For four days only, score up to 80% off all things home with free shipping on Everything from all October 26th through 29th, score Wayfair's best deals like up to 80% off area rugs, up to 60% off mattresses, up to 60% off bedroom furniture, and more exclusive doorbuster deals. So mark your calendar and shop Wayday starting October 26th at Wayfair.com Wayfair Every style, every home at Capella University. Learning online doesn't mean learning alone. 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I mean, to an extent, I don't like that the Democratic Party doesn't seem tapped in enough enough to the needs of the American people. And so I would agree with that in a sense. I just don't understand how contrasted against the Trump administration, you think that he understands the American people's needs? He understands how to campaign to them. Like him saying grocery prices go down on day one or I'm going to be good for the working class. And then he does the exact opposite. The nlrb he's been attacking, he's been attacking the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the very institutions that protect the little guy. Not to mention, I'm going to keep bringing it up, but this horrific bill that he passed, that's his whole agenda, is just a pro elite bill. And so I see him as someone who understands how to campaign to the American people. Maybe the Democrats struggle at campaigning to the American people and they have some issues with why that is. But Trump then turns around and screws them over and betrays them. How often do you go grocery shopping? Weekly. Seriously? Yeah. Okay. You live in California? No, Austin, Texas. Okay. So I live in Chicago. We saw a huge reduction in egg prices, just for an example, because everybody was yelling about eggs because they had gotten exorbitant under Joseph Biden. So egg Prices have been halved. Oil prices have come down. So. So what I'm paying at the pump is so much less. I am paying right now about $1.75 a gallon less than I was during Joe Biden. So grocery prices wholesale in general have gone up. They've gone up. Notably, we had one of the sharpest increases in the last period of time. What period of time? Last month. I think it was last month. So we're seeing sharp increases in grocery prices. That's just true in general. Maybe you can have specific anecdotes whether or not. But that is true nationwide. And while you're right that gas prices have gone down for a bunch of macroeconomic reasons and supply and demand, etcetera, it's because energy opened up this spigot. No, no, here's why. Energy prices in general have gone up significantly since his presidency started. It's true. It's actually gone down. I mean, they have a fact checking process. They can probably put it up. It's true. That's why Trump started screaming, open up supply. So Trump Biden was overseeing the highest oil production in American history. You know, you can massage numbers. You can massage numbers all you want. That's true. Y' all gonna go look these things up afterwards. It's so silly. Get massaged. And I'm gonna say this. Oil production in American history. And then, you know, you made a good point about supply and demand. Trump, because he's so obsessed with like, windmills are crazy, we hate windmills. And he's actually been attacking renewable energy, which is one of the contributing factors to energy prices going up. If you look at, at all of energy, wholesale energy, which is true, look it up after. So renewable energy depends upon. Guess what, guess what? The sun, it depends upon oil. Nuclear. All renewable energy depends upon oil. Yes, it's very true. But here's what we have to understand, and that's this. Prices have gone down in oil because anytime you say, I'm going to open up what Biden has turned off, and every time Congress, every time he attempts to do something that is related to a promise he made to the American people, they jump and try to sue him. This man has been sued more than any other president for just trying to make the American experience better. So do you notice that is patriotism. Okay? Do you know what's so interesting here? Is that a lot of y' all have been convinced that it's me who's been propagandize or I'm going off of regurgitate talking points. But that whole speech there was. Trump is fighting for the American people. There's no substance there. And I'm giving you substance. The actual data on energy prices, you're right that specifically gas has gone down, but otherwise. I'm sorry, could you say the electricity bill specifically? What? Gas has gone down, but gas has gone up. Energy has gone up in general. And it's true that it couldn't have been because Biden turned off the spigot it. Because oil production was at record highs in the United States. Domestic oil production under Biden. Did he close down day one? We were energy independent under Joe Biden, actually. What did he close down day one? You're going to have to go check this. We were. Yeah, we were. What did he close down day one? And then what's the pipeline and then Keystone pipeline. That was wildly inconsequential compared to the broader data. So what's interesting is I'm saying I don't really care about, oh, I'm going to do this rally. Kamala Harris would be the best president. That's dumb. Instead, I'm just gonna give you clear data points, but then y' all go, ah, and get upset and then just give me a regurgitated thing like on what we just referenced, which is oil production. No one is aware of that fact, which is scary that you've been convinced about a lie about that and that right now he's causing your household energy bills to go up and you don't care because you want to play into the culture war of we gotta take down the windmills or whatever. Here's what's very important. It's not just about President Trump. It's about this country. It's about the things that we do that are so important, that are going to aid every single person sitting here, like taking away their health care. Not. Okay, let's talk about that whole health care thing. Why would anyone here support that bill? People who are illegally on the health care dole, if you take them out, if you. If you actually. You're going to be better off if you actually talk to. If you actually talk. Talk to the experts, healthcare providers, and independent analyses of how many people you could find that are on Medicaid illegally or don't actually qualify. It doesn't come close to the number of people that would be necessary to find $1 trillion in the budget, which is what they're doing. So they're convincing you it's undocumented immigrants, it's a lazy trans person, but it's actually going to be low income Americans who fully qualify. But because of all the hurdles they're putting in place and all the cuts that they're making, they're going to lose their health care while the largest tax cuts for wealthy people ever. Saving money. Don't you know in your own household, I want to save. You know what I want to do. You will not be able to pay your biggest bill, which is your where you live. Let's think about this. I hope all of you really hear this because this is not a partisan point. Trump got really cozy. I know you've all seen this with the billionaires at his inauguration. It was Bezos, it was Zuckerberg, it was whoever, Elon. And then he ends up putting into his. It's not cost saving, it's fiscal irresponsibility to cut, cut, cut taxes for the wealthiest Americans to pay for an attack on the working class. That's what it is and it balloons the debt. Do we all agree we should get our debt crisis under control? We have to. Then why does it add 4 to $5 trillion to the debt? Here's the biggest problem. Why does nobody answer my question? You know what we are, but unfortunately you have your own agenda. But we're trying to answer. So then you tell me how much does it increase? How much does it increase the debt? Then here is the problem. The savior of the world. No, I'm not doing the. He's not. I can't hear another. He's the savior of the world. You want to know something? He is not the savior of the world. But I say he is far better than anything you can could come up with on that site. They don't know money. The majority of them have never run a business. I would rather be with a president that has a business who knows how to make a dollar, who knows what it's like to have to pay tax. Do you notice? Do you see? I wish everyone would notice this. I just want to talk about the numbers. If you have an alternative analysis. Numbers. Wait. If you have an alternative analysis of how much will be added to the debt because of Trump's one big beautiful bill, then you can present that, but you don't. So I give you a number based on independent analyses and you respond with Trump's not our savior, but he's going to make us better. That doesn't mean anything. There are analysis. Present the counter data points. The big beautiful present them. There are analysis of it that say the exact opposite if they're from Caroline levitt.com? we won't know until it happens. Your side says, oh, no, it's going to be horrible. Why do you think it's not? Why do you think poor rural hospitals in red areas are saying we have to shut down now? I'll tell you it's why. Because we have this wonderful other bill called Obamacare that drove health care through the roof. It shut down hospitals, it made doctors go out of. How do you like that? Used to be that a doctor was the best most cared for job. Wait, wait, wait. They couldn't even stay in business. Wait, this. We're turning ourselves into Canada. Everyone, listen. The rural. You're saying the rural hospitals are lying and saying that Trump's bill and the cutting of federal funds is why they have to shut down. But that's because of Obama. Have you been talking to all of the rural hospitals? They're all around the country. I don't think you came here with a report from all of the rural hospitals. I don't think you did. No, there's no way. You know why? Because there's not that consensus yet. Because here's the problem is that anytime you say we're going to give away free health care, somebody. There's no such word as free. Somebody has to pay it. Wait, wait, again, this will be my last point. It's so weird to say we don't have the money to pay for XYZ when we're adding to the debt with this bill. So we're going into debt to pay for these tax cuts. Cuts. We're going into debt more than any single bill in American history. That's how much this is added to the debt. So it's not about fiscal responsibility. It's about helping out his billionaire buddies who are on that inauguration stage with him and a gutting of working class benefits. You don't need to find a trillion dollars in savings when we have several trillion that are being introduced into our economy by other people. And we discussed that before, so you don't have to. Not only that, one more point. Trump negotiated. Like I said, I'm not in love with the man, but I'm gonna tell you something. He did good stuff. He negotiated seven peace deals between 14 countries. Would Kamala, Would Kamala have done that? Can you. Hey, wait, wait. Kamala would not have. Can you name them? Can you name them? I can actually name them. As soon as we're done, I'll show them to you on my phone, the whole list. That way I get a picture with you for my case. We'll get a photo. Okay, pause. We're out of time. Okay. They were spunky. It was, I mean, to be honest, infuriating a lot of the conversations because it's so difficult when you're coming from such different planets. I'm in a box and you're in a box, and they're in a box. That you don't have this genuine energy that you feel when you're exchanging ideas with someone. And you don't disagree by saying you're an idiot. You disagree by saying no and begging them to listen. So many things, things have been misunderstood because you don't have all the facts. The moment information becomes unpolitical and it's just information, I think it's going to be good for the left, the right, and everybody in between. The heartening part is, as I think we picked up a little bit on camera, there was still a good common recognition of our shared humanity. Could you name a former Democrat president you'd want to be in a foxhole with? With any of the Greatest generation ones? Jfk, Jimmy Carter. I think Jimmy Carter would have my back. Don't forget to subscribe to Surrounded wherever you get your podcast so that you don't miss an episode. And if you want to watch the video version of Surrounded, subscribe to Jubilee on YouTube.