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Hey, listeners, just want to remind you we have episodes of the Pod coming out every Sunday, so please consider subscribing wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you for your support. So you just made Americans pay more for everything that comes from Canada because they showed a commercial you didn't like? That sounds like being a snowflake if you ask me. They're posting, bro. I don't know if you're acting stupid or you're purposely just, like, misconstruing what I'm saying. It did happen. Yeah. We had funding for things that are outside of the country for transgender balls. Transgenders. Transgender plays, Transgender balls. Yes, they exist. Of those people that are sitting in ICE detention facilities right now, how many do you think have been convicted of a violent crime? Well, 100%, because they're all illegal. Unless you had a convict of a violent crime, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. From Jubilee Media, this is surrounded where one brave soul faces a room full of disagreers. In the center of today's episode is the former congressional candidate Isaiah Martin. He. He's a Democrat and he'll be facing 20 MAGA Republicans. Isaiah will debate them one on one until they're voted out by their peers and replaced by someone new. Let's get into it. Hi, I'm Isaiah Martin. I'm a former candidate for the United States Congress and I'm here today surrounded by 20 MAGA Republicans. My first surrounding claim is that Trump's mass deportation plan is making us less safe. Hey, how's it going, brother? And it's your Toza. Good to see you. Great to meet you. It's interesting that you claim that because According to the DHS, 70% of the people who have been deported so far have been criminals either caught in the act. Yes. I'm surprised you're surprised. You ran for Congress and you don't know this. That's what those numbers said. That is 70%. The other 30% are people who went through the entire immigration process and had some sort of deportation detainer. So that is 700,000 people were deported like that 1.9 million people self deported so far. That's all DHS data. It's publicly available. You can look it up. So I'm just. How are you standing for criminals? Is that what you're doing right now of interior removal? 70% of the people deported literally have not been convicted criminals. What are you talking about? That's according to dhs. That's according to dhs. Where are you getting your data from? Dhs. What day? This is, like, just recently last from up to October or mid October of this year. So we're gonna need a fact check on this because I literally checked yesterday. Not convicted criminals. 70% of the people deported are not convicted criminals. Under interior. They were people. So there were people that had either been convicted criminals. No. Or they had. Were, like, at a stalemate. Because now you're claiming something. I'm claiming something from the same source. So 70% of the people that have been deported under Interior removals are not convicted criminals. And that is a fact. That's not a fact. It literally is. It's 70%. I'm telling you, I looked it up. I think you got it upside down. At the end of the day, it is what's happening. They literally published the photos of everybody who was being deported. So I didn't realize that they posted every single photo on Twitter. No, they published the majority of them. Yeah, but there's data. This is. Yeah, I mean, you're hitting back at. You're saying they deported hundreds of thousands of people and they post pictures of every single. They're not posting. See, this is. You're. What you're doing here is you're doing. You're building, like this false deflection around it. I didn't say everybody. I said they're posting photos of people who are being deported. Yes. That means that they're deporting. They're posting. Bro, I don't know if you're acting stupid or you're purposely just, like, misconstruing what I'm saying, but here's my argument. Under Barack Obama, of those that were deported under interior removals, 92% of them were convicted criminals. Of that 92%, 81% of them were considered tier one, worst of the worst, per se. I think that that is something that makes us a lot more safe than literally roaming around to go get grandmas and CVS that speak Spanish or going to that construction on a job site. That's an absolutely false narrative, because that's actually what happens. That's just what the facts say. I mean, facts just don't really care about it. See, this is common with what the left does. You guys just. The left loves facts. No, that's kinda how that goes. Again, that's not what you guys do at all. For anybody watching at home, this is what they do. They get a piece of data, they fabricate a narrative around it, and then they try to sell it to you as the truth, when in fact, this is not this is your data. Your data. I mean, you. This is Trump's own website. I came here with. I came here with a piece of data. You completely rewrote it in real time. No, I gave you the facts. I completely rewrote it. I mean, I'm surprised you ran for Congress. You're one of the most disingenuous, dishonest people that I've ever met in my entire life. I was literally taken aback for. I was like, how. Like, I looked this up yesterday. How is this guy sitting here lying so blatantly? You should be ashamed. No, seriously, dude. And I can see it in your face. No, you know. You know, you literally just sat here and lied. You're, like, breaking down in real time. I think I'm doing pretty disappointed. So tell me, why are you so in favor of criminals being in this country? I just told you that 70% of the people that Trump is supporting literally are not convicted criminals for Interior removals. I mean, I don't understand. What about this? So he's just. So you. You really buy into that narrative that little grandmas are walking around. Oh, my God. Oh, let's get grandma. Let's kick her out of the grave. That's literally what they're doing. That's not what they're doing. Cite one. One. One case like that. Of what? One case of the little grandma standing at the taco stand getting deported. What? I. You can't cite it. Ah, there we go. There we go. You can't say. Are you denying the fact that. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm holding you to account because that's the narrative you're just running with. And then you can't cite a specific example. What I'm telling you again, this man is deeply disingenuous. Thank God you're out of politics. We don't need more lying politicians like you. Well, we don't need more lying. We don't need more lying politicians like you. I'm running for Congress, too. I'm actually in race. Yes. In Hollywood, Glendale, Burbank and Pasadena, we need people who tell the truth. We don't need liars like you. When this episode comes out and they show the fact check and you are miserably wrong, as you clearly. I'm not going to be wrong. And they show. This is. This is going to be really beautiful when America gets to watch the fact that the person running to be your next congressman literally cannot read data. This guy's breaking down around the 70. He's, like, looking at the. Please get me out of here. I think I'm doing pretty good. You looked at the clock, dude. You're like. You're breaking down in real time. I can see your face is, like, twitching. I think I'm just chilling. You don't seem like it's chilling because here's the reality is that under Barack Obama, we know that we focus more on convicted criminals, and you guys just aren't. I'm sorry that the numbers don't back up what you're talking about, but that's just the reality. They literally don't. This is just gonna be just so beautiful because when they show this fact check, we're just gonna. I guess one of us is gonna go viral over this. I guess. Pause. How can a gu. Confident in something can be so wrong? I think we paused. Pause. Okay. Well, this is gonna be a great. It's gonna be a great fact check. I will say, hey, it's great to meet you. Good to see you, brother. I'm gonna start saying something that might not make everyone else like me, but I actually think you've been real honest during this conversation. And so. But I want to start with. I don't know if it's 30 or if it's 70%, as y' all were debating, but even if it's 30%, shouldn't all of those 30% be deported? Here's the problem is that ICE has a certain amount of resources. Just like, for example, police officers. We have a lot of our officers focusing on violent crime. So when it comes to the limited resources that ICE has, I would say that it would make more sense to go after the worst of the worst. Yes. Violent terrorists that are in this country. We focus more on those folks under Barack Obama's administration. And I think that it makes more sense to go after those folks now, because currently, what we're seeing is an ICE that's literally going to go get folks blanket across the country. It's leading to so many mistakes. Like, for example, the grad student. For example. I'm sorry, the student that was a college student in Georgia that was literally detained in an ICE detention facility for two weeks, literally as a result of a mistaken identity. I don't think that that's something that keeps us more safe in this country. So can we start with points of agreement? I think that might be useful. Can we. Regardless of how we get there, can we agree that those 30% who got deported should have been deported? The what? The convicted criminals. Convicted criminals, yes. Which you said is 30. Someone said it was 70. Whatever. So we start there. Okay, so now we have to talk about the remaining. I'm gonna say 70%. Cause I believe you're stat. To me, it seems that those people are also making our civilization unsafe because they promote a culture of lawlessness. When you have a set of person, a category of person who, who is by definition an outlaw, they themselves have to be afraid of the police for normal things. And they encourage their friends then to be afraid of the police for normal things. And so you create a culture where people are afraid of the police because of things that have nothing to do with them. And so when these people are around, they actually make it such that the people near them can't be pro police. And so if you deport the people who aren't criminals themselves, but who exist as a category of outlaw, and you remove this outlaw category, you no longer have this semi enforced law situation. And then we can move to a place where we have fully enforced law. And so I think that we both agree that less crime is good, like, obviously. And I think that the best way to get rid of crime is to police crime. When you punish criminals, they stop doing crime. But you need people to believe in the police. You need people to love the police. You need people to want to be safe. Do undocumented immigrants commit less crime than American citizens? I think they probably. I think it's probably true. But the problem is that if they get caught up, so they commit less crime. How does that fill the narrative that you're referring to? For example, imagine I'm an illegal immigrant. I'm not, but imagine that I was and some crime happened to me. I am less likely to call the police because I'm afraid that I could get deported. And same thing. If I'm in a group of people and one of us is an illegal immigrant and a crime happens, we are now afraid to call the police because of what might happen to our friend. And so this category of outlaw, let's see if we can agree on this. It creates a culture of not believing. Let's see if we can agree on this. Okay. I support making sure that we can have a strong border in our country. Yes, sir. I think that that's fair. Thank you. Okay. I do not support violent criminals in our country. Yes, sir. I don't think the vast majority of Americans do. I also support making sure that there's a pathway to citizenship, those that are here that are undocumented. So the question then comes, what do we do with the limited resources that ICE has in front of Us, I personally believe that we should be more focused on convicted criminals. Yes. Violent people that are in our country. But when we have a system in which 70% of the people that are literally detained by ICE itself are those that have not been convicted of a crime, 47% of those people have not even been charged with a crime. They're just people they ran. 50% have been charged with a crime, then. What? So 53% have been charged with a crime, then? No, that's not what I said. You just said 47% haven't been charged. 47%. Oh, so what percent have been. Yeah, 53% have been charged. Over half are charged with a crime. Yeah. If you look at what the 47% number before Trump got in office, it was around 10%. Ish. Okay. So what I'm saying is, is that we should be more focused on rounding up convicted criminals in this country. People that are gonna be doing things as it is. So would you agree on giving more money to ICE to go get all the convicted criminals? But that's not really what's happening, Right. We're already paying ice. We're literally spending more money on ICE this year than the Spanish military is on their entire thing. And we're seeing the results. Well, because that's Spain. Well, but I'm just saying, like, I don't want to talk about the state. I mean, but come on. I mean, that's an entire military. It's not 1453. I mean, that's an entire military. Right. What I'm saying is insurance. More than what I'm saying. What I'm saying. What I'm saying is, is that it doesn't make sense to me that we're spending all this money and 70% of the people that we're deporting, Right? So at the end result, Right. Not just the folks that are detained, the end result of the folks that we're saying, okay, we're going to get you out of here. 70% of them have not been convicted. So can we address that? And I think that's an issue, that having a category of person who is an outlaw, who cannot rely on the police makes the entire neighborhood unsafe. Because what's happening in this country is that those people that are undocumented are those that commit crimes at a low rate. Here's the real thing. But wait, wait. What you're saying, because here's what really missed what I'm talking about, because here's what makes us less safe. What makes us less safe in this country is Going and having someone to do these complete raids and you go find these mistaken cases of identity in which American citizens have been deterred. Tragedies. Every one. Every single one of them. Every single one. And those are at an increase, all 10 of them. That makes us far more unsafe than what the thing that you're talking about. All policing is always going to have mistakes. But if you want to claim that just those situations have increased, well, because policing has increased. So what's happening in this country, is that what you're focusing on? You're focusing on rounding up people that have not been convicted of a crime who are category of. And as a result, can you address the fact that those people make neighborhoods more unsafe? No. Policing is always going to have some accidents and they're all terrible and they should all not happen. But if you're going to have a system, you're going to mistake sometimes and they're all bad. And I'm opposed to all of them. But I'm talking about first we agreed on the 30%, which is a huge point of agreement that I think we need to elevate, and then on the 70%, these people cannot be regulated by the system in the correct way. They do not trust the system in the correct way. They definitionally, by the status of who they are, make the neighborhood less safe because it makes so everybody in the neighborhood can't rely on the police or their friend might get deported. So you have to remove these people in order to get rid of this semi enforced, semi category of law. You have to do that. Can we. Do you not believe that? Are you saying that neighborhoods that have high percentages of undocumented people are oftentimes some of those violent neighborhoods in cities, Is that what you're saying? That might be the case? I'm not sure. It probably would be the case, but that's not what I'm trying to say. If you look at cities that have higher percentages of undocumented populations, those cities oftentimes have lower crime rates. Yeah, I'm not sure if that was the case or which way that would go, but I'm telling you, you have to address this CA category of outlaw. I don't know why we're going in circles here. Do you not believe that? Because I don't think that the argument that you're making really has anything to do with the root of the issue. The root of the issue? The root of the issue of America. The root of the issue is about safety. And if we have the fact that our ICE as It stands today is more focused on rounding up people that have not been even accused of a crime. Instead of violent terrorists that are in this country, violent people in America, I think that that itself makes us less safe because here's who's celebrating the people in this country that are doing wrong because they know that people are more focusing on going to a fiesta or a grocery store or a Home Depot or a place of work or a plant or somewhere else to round up. Because the criminals are celebrating this. I would say so, because they're literally being rounded up at a lower rate. Pause. You've been voted out by the majority. It's great to talk with you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Hi, Danielle. Hi, how are you? One of the issues that Trump mainly went on was immigration from both sides. And I find disingenuous the selective outrage to what makes it safe. What do you mean by that? Well, we have tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of children missing and not accounted for since the open borders. We have $150 billion spent from American taxpayer dollars to house and educate and give welfare to illegal aliens. This takes away, Give me an example of that. Well, I mean, just look in New York, the 2 billion, the $12 billion spent on housing immigrants and hotels just alone. In California, $23 billion was taken away from our educational system to support illegal immigrants. Is that safe for the hard working American for the veterans to have to wait behind illegals who get fast tracked in their health care? Is that safe for them? Now, I probably find agreement with you that people who want to do it the right way, there should be less bureaucracy. There should be people who want to contribute to the American dream who are here in good faith. We want. My father's an immigrant, my grandparents are immigrants. But you have to do it the right way. And sometimes when you have such irresponsible management of the borders, as we've seen with open borders for the last few years, there will be sometimes an overcorrection. What is Donald Trump doing to make it easier to do things the right way? Well, he's closed the borders. That's number one. That's not what I asked you. I said what is he doing to make it easier to come across the border the right way? Well, he's making new policies. Well, he has to ensure that they're actually asylum seeking. They're actually. That's not what I asked though. What is he doing to make it easier for the cause? You just said that you support making legal immigration. I think that we all probably should agree with that. What is he doing to advance that goal? Well, the first thing you do is you have to cut off the huge drain of open border policy. Where that's not my. Okay, well, again, and I think the. Can you just tell me one theme here today? One possible shut the borders. That's not what I asked. But that's a major thing. You have to start at the root cause and go, well, I mean, easier for people to legally come into this country. Well, I know when he was in the first term, he had to remain in Mexico policy. I'm not sure of the exact policies, but what he's doing is working. He has. Again, you're skirting away from the issue. So nothing. Americans put Trump in office because they still. If Kamala was still in office, we would have open borders and it would be even more unsafe. If a central pillar to your argument is making it easier for legal immigration into this country. And you cannot tell me one specific example of anything that's doing what I come across legally. How does any of that turning my words around, I do think it should be easier for the right people to come in legal ways. So then what is he doing to advance that? But again, in the meantime, we have a big problem of legals, many of them. When you talk about people who talk about unsafety, let's talk about Lincoln Riley, an American who was just jogging and living her life and was brutally murdered by an illegal alien. Is that safe? Is that safe to let people who are gang members and nationalists and drug cartels into our country with the fentanyl crisis a real thing? Is that safe for our kids? So let's not stop this issue. What happened to Lake and Riley, I think every American agrees, was absolutely horrific. I think we can say it. And it's just like, for example, when Molly Tibbetts was killed under the Trump administration by an undocumented person in this country. This happens across, and every time it happens, it is wrong. And I think we all should say that any person that commits a violent crime needs to be locked up, deported. We all agree with that. But here's the central problem is that what you're focused on is rounding up people in this country that have not been convicted of. Of a crime. That does not make us more safe. Because when you have. That's a blanket statement. That's just simply the facts. Trump has run on criminals, violent criminals. First, let me ask you. Let me ask you a question of those people that are sitting in ICE detention facilities right now. How Many do you think have been convicted of a violent crime? Just take a guess. I could not. I trust the Trump administration. Take a guess. I don't just throw a number. Just take a. What do you think it could be? Well, 100%, because they're all illegal. Unless you had a crime. Convicted of a violent crime. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I said how many have been convicted of a violent crime? It doesn't matter. Why have they not filed the papers? Why they take advantage of the systems? It doesn't matter. All of that. What percentage of these 100% you think of? Because if they're there legally, only 5% of the people in ICE detention facilities today have been convicted of a violent crime. Are they here undocumented? 5%. Are they here undocumented? 5%. 5%. Are they here undocumented? Wait, wait, wait. Are they here undocumented? This just screams about what people are seeing in this country. You literally believe that 100% of the people in ISIS undocumented have been convicted of a violent crime. I said a crime. That they're undocumented. I don't know the statistic of violent crime, but do you understand why they're there in the first place? You just told me that number was 100%. Okay, they're undocumented. 100%. The priority we should all agree on should be violent crime first. 95% of the people in isocide facilities have not been convicted of a violent crime. No, I don't think that's a true statisticist. That's a fact from DHS itself. I don't pause. You've been voted out by the majority. Please take your seat. How's it going? Martin. Nice to meet you. Circumstances. That's my last name. Oh, it's a great name. Awesome. So I guess on this illegal immigration point, you talked about affordability earlier, so I want to talk about that a little bit. Do you know how much the average American citizen contributes in taxes to subsidize illegal immigrants in this country? How much? That's $1,000 per US taxpaying citizen subsidizing illegal immigrants in our country. We also talked about affordability earlier, about federal taxes, right? Yes. Why are house prices so expensive right now? We haven't built enough over the time. Well, I mean, that's part of the reason, but I would say another part of the reason is because we've had 10 million people into our country in the last four years who aren't supposed to be in our country. And guess What? When you kick out, according to the admin, 2 million people over these this first year. We've had housing prices fall this quarter. Why do you think housing prices have fell this quarter over the last few years? Right. Let's just say over the last four years. What do you think the majority of house housing inflation happened 1 years? Tell me 2021, 2022 as a result of that. We know that, but we know our highest years for immigration into this country. We're after that. Well, so the results are is that we saw in the time period in which we had the most illegal immigration coming into this country that was not coincided with the increase in housing prices. Well, can you explain me why housing prices have fell this quarter? What policy change has been brought about besides kicking out millions of people? Because over. Because here's the root of the issue is that when you look at, for example, what immigration as a whole, whether it's illegal immigration, whether it's legal immigration, we know that that accounts for maybe 1%, maybe 2% of total housing inflation. The rest of it is the fact that we literally have not built up to the demand that we literally have in the country. I agree with on that. That's the overarching point. I mean, 100% we should be building more housing. So that's, that's the reason why housing has gone up for a long time. No matter what it is, no matter the facts are in this country we have not built enough housing. Sure, but removing 10 million people would also do a whole hell of a lot to decrease the supply of people that are competing for housing, wouldn't you say? Well, we also know that a lot of. We also know that of the people that build those homes, 50% of those people are those that are immigrants into this country. American, if you go and you round up specifically these people, you're also going to be able to build less housing as it currently stands. Okay, so why housing prices fell this quarter? The only policy change we've had that can relate to housing prices. That's not true. Is people getting kicked out of our country. That's not true. For example, federal housing, for example, in the city of Austin, they use federal funds, for example, to do something that they called. It was a big housing initiative that they had. It led to rents declining for the first time in a long time. Housing prices declining for the first time in a long time. That was because they put pro housing policies. It's the exact same thing. What's happening in America is that more cities are coming around to Understand that the more housing that you build, the lower that leads for regular people. That's what's happening. Because if you look at, for example, the rate of increase, the way that it stabilized and the way that it starts to go down, it follows a trend of more cities adopting pro housing policies to build housing all across America. And that's a fact. No, I mean, sure, we need, like I said, I agree with you. We need to increase the supply of housing. But let's also go back to my point on how much American citizens subsidizing illegal immigration. Do you think it's a good thing that the average American is subsidizing $1,000 a year out of their taxpayer money to fund illegal immigrants? What I don't think is a good idea is the fact that we're paying way more for that. For billionaires to go sip on pina coladas on private jets. Percent of Americans had their taxes cut by 1. That's what's happening in America right now. Do you agree that. Yes. 80% of Americans. Essay and fact check. 80% of Americans had their tax cuts. Had their taxes cut by the one big beautiful bill for middle class Americans. How so? 80,000, $100,000. I think it was around one to 2,000. What happened to the tax rate? It went down. It did? Yeah. For 80% of Americans, the tax rate. Yeah. Tax rate didn't go down. Yes, it. Yes, it did. Tax rate didn't. Essay and fact check right here. 80 tax rate. Yes, the effective tax rate for. For American tax rates. Oh, the effective tax rate. Yeah. The tax rate for Americans went down. Gotcha. Gotcha. I mean, do you disagree with that? Well, because that's not what happened. What happened was maybe an increase for the standard deduction and some other things, but a lot of those policies, and I just want to make sure that it's very clear here. The policies for regular people and the tax cuts that were in the big beautiful ripoff bill per se, for those that make less than $200,000 a year were supported by a lot of Democrats. Democrats supported these ideas. Nobody supported raising income taxes for folks that made less than $400,000 a year. Kamala Harris. Nobody accepted the 2017 tax cuts and Jobs Act. Exactly. You know why? Because what we don't support is the fact that the richest corporations in America are getting away with paying little to nothing in taxes. What we know is that with the 21% corporate tax rate that we have, it's too low. So perfect. I want to establish. You want to raise the corporate tax rate. You want to tax unrealized gains. You want to do all these things. Did I say that? I mean, I'm asking you. Because that's what Kamala Harris. I think that for those people that make more than a billion dollars a year, they should pay a property tax style tax on their wealth. That is what's. Okay, well, you know, you talked about corporate taxes because that's what Kamala Harris ran on. She ran on raising the corporate taxes and raising the effective gains tax. Can you at least acknowledge that that is just economically suicidal for our country and would result in businesses slashing jobs and leaving our countries in droves? You know what the top corporate tax rate was in the 1990s when Bill Clinton had the largest peacetime expansion of the American corporate record? What was it? 35%. Okay. Higher than what it was now. Do you know what they've effected corporate tax rate in 2017? Do you know what the. Do you know what the effective corporate tax rate was when Barack Obama had 74 straight months of job growth in America? Do you know when that was? I know that. We know what it was. I know that we, when we slashed the corporate tax rate in 2017, that we had job growth under Donald Trump going. Do you know what it was? What was it? It was 35%. Okay? So in these mass periods of time in which we've had so much job growth in this country, millions, tens of millions of jobs created in this country, we had a 35% corporate tax rate. And then when we cut it again, there was even more job growth under the first Trump term. This is not what happened. The rate of job growth literally declined right after that. We just continued on a trend and then it literally smoothed a little bit. That's kind of what happened. No, we had record job growth under President TRUMP From 2017 up until the start of COVID That's just simply not true. Because what happened. You're just wrong. Because you can say that I am all you want because the reality is, is that under Donald Trump, the second the Tax Cuts and Jobs act was signed, we were on a period of job growth for a very long time. But the rate of increase started to smooth out a little bit. Because here's the reality is that we saw that job growth in this country can continue with a top corporate tax rate of 35%. And it's even more with a lower. And all I'm saying here today is that when you go and you cut these big taxes for these big corporations, what happens to the deficit, it goes up. It goes up. Right. Because we need to spend less. You are borrowing against our children's future. That's why you saw an emergence of trillion dollar deficits when Donald Trump signed that bill. Well, I mean that was mainly because of COVID and having to spend during colle. No, I agree. We have a spending problem. Even if you look, we need to spend a lot more time. Even if you look at the Committee for Responsible Budgets report which is a nonpartisan committee of non Covid related debt approved into this country, about four, four and a half trillion dollars is approved under Donald Trump compared to about 2.4 trillion. Okay, so then let me ask you this then why maybe it fulfilled bill. Do you agree with requirements for Medicaid? So the facts are, is that when you go and you pass a piece of legislation like that, it adds more debt that all of us eventually have to pay and it leverages our children's future. Pause. We're out of time. Thanks so much. My next surrounding claim is that Trump prioritizes the wealthy while he leaves you behind. Wow, nice to meet you. From jp. Good to see you. Jp. Let's get right into it. Let's go. Yeah. So I think that I can see your claim. I want to hear you are good. A little more if you want. I mean the main argument is that look at all the things that Trump promised. He promised that he would make us not pay taxes. He promised us that we would have gas prices, national average, less than 2 bucks a gallon. And he promised that he would cut our energy bills in half within a year. It's a year. We don't have any of that. Our energy bills are up 11%. Meanwhile, we see the wealthiest 1% of Americans getting about a trillion dollars worth of tax cuts with a big rip off bill. I would say that's very clear that he's more focused on the wealthiest people in our country. I think that the argument that I would make, and I think it's a structural one, is that we've got for the last 30 years globalism has dualed our strategic thinking. And if we want real change, it's not going to happen, not in a year. It's going to be a strong break and that's just beginning. But he said it. What we've seen, what we've seen, and I think that's just part of the issue with a lot of Democrats is a hyper fixation on consumers, on oh, the products, the products, the products. But what we've lost is labor. And I think you I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You should understand this. I didn't, I didn't know. I didn't know that it was a bad thing to be concerned about under Joe Biden. I didn't know that. 50 to 60% increase of border crossings, the illegal immigrant population. You can fact check me on this, Jubilee, but I think it almost doubled. It's like 10 million people came into this country. That affects working class Americans. Democrats don't care about this policy. The reality is that Democrats will be, oh, tariffs are attacks on consumers. But what do you say about the workers in America that have lost their jobs, millions and millions of jobs that have left this country? If you think this is going to change in a year, then you're wrong. We need policy that's brave and courageous and that's what we're seeing with Trump. First off, the unemployment rate is higher since Trump has taken office. Unemployment rates, I don't really know. I don't really know what you're talking. This last quarter we had. I think that we should. I think that we should. Inflation. Inflation increase much more than the last year's. Biden administration was controversial. When Trump got elected, the first time the economy went up, you guys said, oh, it's because he's benefiting from the Obama economy. But now that it's the first year and the economy is starting to lift up, you guys starting to lift up. You guys don't say the same thing. Inflation going up. What are you talking about? Do you remember Joe Biden's presidency? What do you think happens when the government expands and expands and continues to spend his lets millions of illegal immigrants? If you want to lower, if you want to lower inflation and at the same time bring back jobs, you need to do two things. I don't think your friends think you're doing domestic, domestic deregulation while at the same time fighting the externalization of labor. We've let our country kill itself and we don't want to do that no longer. If it's going to take some discomfort, I welcome it and I think many Americans welcome it. What we're not going to do and what the Trump administration is not going to do that Democrats did, is ignore the American people. Yes, Popular sentiment right now. They're not comfortable with the economy, but they have not been comfortable with the economy in the last 30 years. Because you've been talking for a solid three and a half minutes. Do you think the economy has worked under Biden or under Obama? Here's what we were talking about. I'M gonna remind you about the prompt. The idea in front of us is that it was not me that put these expectations on Donald Trump. Trump said it himself. He said that he would cut our energy bills in half by a year. He said that he could just go walk into the ocean. Drill, baby, drill. It's beginning. And what's happened? We are exporting. We're exporting more algae now than ever before. It's beginning. It's beginning. 11% is a lot different than 50% down like what he originally, originally promised. Why don't you like Trump's not delivering. Why don't you like about our current energy policy? Why is it that you cannot. The Democrats are the ones that constrained energy. The Democrats are the ones that constrained throw, baby, drill. Pause. You've been voted out by the majority. Please return to your seat. I like you guys. Energy. I will say that this time of year, everyone talks about going dry, but at Athletic Brewing Co. We're skipping that because we prefer going athletic, which isn't dry at all. From crisp goldens to hoppy IPAs and limited releases, in between, you'll find something that fits your style. Every single non alcoholic brew is packed with flavor and the same craft experience you love. So, yeah, you could call it dry, but there's really nothing dry about it. Find your new favorite near beer@athleticalbrewing.com Athletic Brewing Co. Fit for all times. Oh, get back. She's quick. Hello. I just kind of want to piggyback off some of the things I felt like my last friend was trying to get to. So. And you said Trump set the expectation for himself. And so what I feel like a lot of people do on the left is they hear Trump and they hear it through the lens of, I already hate him, I already want him to fail. So already you're coming at it from a very counterproductive perspective. The way. Cause I've watched every Trump rally because I had to. Really? Absolutely. Because I used to hate him. But what I found out was the reasons why I hated him was because of how things were cut up and presented to me for so many years. So I had to take it upon myself to go back. I had a lot of time in Covid to go back, watch every rally. A lot of it was hilarious, but it really gave me a full better understanding of, oh, he was really saying this. Right. So. Because I used to be on the left. Absolutely. How I see we're going to do it within a year is we're going to. The policies are going to activate we're going to have clear policies and we're going to make moves within the first year. Now, if you're being honest with yourself and you're being genuine, good things take time. Change takes time. We're not going to fix everything that fell apart in one year. We're not going to see the results by December. To me, it would just be disingenuous to say that you believe that anybody could do that, especially since how we've suffered post. Post Covid. The globe suffered post Covid. We have a lot to. Yeah, we have a lot to fix. So what I saw was him saying, hey, we're going to do these things policy. We're going to have the strategy, the things set in place within the first year, hence all the manufacturing deals. We have. So absolutely. Nvidia. We have so many, so much money coming into this country to build plants. All that's going to take time and all of that's going to help the working class. Because let me tell you something, I'm also still the working class. I'm college educated. I know they said MAGA wasn't college educated or black, but I am. And let me tell you, but I'm also still working class. I also still drive Uber, drive Lyft, I clean a yoga studio. And let me tell you, like, usually those jobs go to. And no offense, but a lot of illegal immigrants to be. Let me step in. So first off, I acknowledge that you work hard, right? That is a lot of work and I want to salute you for that. But the reality is, is that a lot of people in this country listen to Trump rallies and they hear say specific things and that's what informed him on or that's what informed them to go and make the decision to vote for him. The reality is, is that when you make promises, you're gonna be graded on whether or not you keep them. And the reality is that he promised that he would cut our energy bills in half. That has not happened. It hasn't even remotely. Have you seen on Twitter all the. But wait a sec, wait a second about the gas prices. They're not low here in the Democratic Party. Hold up, hold up. The energy bills are up 11%. That is a fact. The national average for gasoline in this country is literally almost the exact same as what it was a year ago. I know, but if it's about 5 cents less. But even if you compare it by state, I feel like a lot of Democratic ran states are suffering. That's an average. Okay, but that is an average state of all the Democratic states, How's an average with huge populations? How's an average calculated? You calculate everybody together and then you divide it. So were Democratic states included in the average last year? Absolutely. So they are included this year. Okay, so why are you mentioning this as this is some new phenomenon? Okay, what I'm saying, blue states were in there last year as they are this year. And this year, gas prices are. If you compare it between this week and this week, last year. No, but they're lower than this. Five cents lower. But they're lower than last year. Promised that he would have gas prices, but the prices are lower than last year. Dude, there are so many people thanking Trump right now on TikTok. Just look for it. I know you don't want to look for it and you don't want to see the truth, but just look for. It's so many people taking pictures of the gas prices in Texas and Louisiana going, dang, I ain't seen gas. It's $1.19. I done seen that so many times on TikTok, bro. I promise to goodness. All you gotta do is go look for it, baby. You can look at the average. That's what I'm trying to tell you. You can look at the average numbers, but I'm telling you real people, because facts. Because facts are over feelings. That's how things work. Feelings. It's reality. Facts don't care about feelings. It's. And the reality is, is that the national average for gas is literally only 5 cents lower than what it was a year ago. And Trump said, oh, so it's lower. So he got it lower. Trump said that he was gonna have it less than 2 bucks a gallon. It's gonna keep dropping. Is that lower than 2 bucks a gallon? But it's lower. There's progress. So you're gonna celebrate 5 cents? Yeah, I'm gonna celebrate anything that's lower. Yes. And it's gonna keep going. I'm not in my ego, bro. Says who? You're coming at this in your ego. In my ego, because I'm looking at the facts. No, I'm coming at this as an American who wants to see everybody prosper and succeed. So here's what's not prospering in this country. The fact that people are seeing real wage growth in this country, literally half of what it was last year. The people in this country that are literally watching. Are you talking about unemployment? What are you talking about? Unemployment? Do you know what real wage growth is? Absolutely. What is it? But I'm Saying, okay, wage growth, as in how much we are making as Americans. Like if the money we take home is growing. Inflation. That's what you mean, inflation. Yeah, Right, right. How they make that determination. Right, right. And if you look at that number with everything together. Yes. It's half of what it was last year. Okay. But I'm saying there are so many different factors that contribute to that. Foreclosures are up. Absolutely. People cannot afford to live. But literally this was last year. This has been happening since the pandemic. You had a president, this has happened in office, saying that all he had to do was to get in office and he would every problem in America. And the reality is that hasn't happened. Now you're coming back to we want the magic wand. You guys ran on having a magic wand. You guys, I didn't ruin nothing. Like, what are you talking about? You're literally what we're talking about. Literally. There's no magic wand voted out by the majority. Please take your seat. Thank you. Sorry, guys. Hi, how's it going? Nice to meet you. I just wanted to piggyback on something that was said before about the average of gas prices. So I know about this pretty well. So I'm from Washington state and we had something called the Climate Commitment act done by our Democrat run state, which actually raised our gas prices since last year. So when you talk about the average only going down that much, it has gone down in a lot of other places in the country, but it's actually gone up in several blue states. So that's probably why you're seeing the average not go down by as much. So a lot of blue states live in insulated bubbles where they're not even getting the effects of some of the benefits of Trump's policies, like deregulation for energy. Did blue states have gas taxes last year? No, it was a new. Well, what we had is the CCA was introduced from 2022. The people tried to repeal it through an initiative. We gathered almost 2.4 million signatures. It was declined by the. Did blue states have gas tax? I can speak to my blue state. Yeah, we had. It was a new gas tax that we tried to repeal. Blue states, as in California, Washington, other places have had gas taxes for a long time and they literally were in the national average last year and they're in it this year. If you look at states like Texas, for example, that's a state that does not have this particular act that you're mentioning, gas prices maybe might be lower by $0.10, $0.07, $0.08. Something to that degree. The reality is that Trump promised nationally that he was going to bring the national average of gas less than 2 bucks a gallon. That has not happened. But here's what he has delivered on the campaign. Well, here's what he has delivered on trillions of dollars, $3.4 trillion worth of tax cuts, 1 trillion of which flowed to the wealthiest 1% of Americans. He can keep promises to his rich donor friends, but he can't keep promises to people like you. I'm more concerned with. I think that's the reason why Republicans are struggling across this country. Sure. I don't really care if the rich are getting richer as long as the middle class and lower class are also taken care of. I don't believe in this whole idea that it's a zero sum game and that in order for the poor to do better, the rich have to do worse. Is that what I said? No, but that's kind of what you're implying because we weren't even talking about. That's not what I said. We're talking about what affects people like me. Right. Gas prices affect people like me. Well, what affects people like you is that Trump has not delivered on his whole promise of just wiping a pen on a piece of paper and then lowering people's gas prices. But he has not. What he has not delivered on is the fact that literally people have their energy bills that are going up left and right, inflation is going up, food prices are going up, and in my Democrat run state, they voted everywhere across this country. Right. The reality is, is that you guys ran on an agenda. You ran on an agenda of lowering people's prices and you did not. Okay, you didn't do that. Oh, we didn't do that across the board. Okay. No, you didn't. Well, that's what a national average is. Sure, I understand that. But you're completely ignoring the factors that come into play in those individual states. In my state, just like they voted to raise the gas tax for what? The gas you fill up in your car, they also voted to increase the gas for your natural gas that used to heat your home, that affected small businesses, that affected immigrant small businesses more than anybody. You're not listening, actually, because you're talking about as soon as I tell you something that actually affects the average middle, it's irrelevant. The middle class is irrelevant. I never said that. Well, I'm trying to talk about what affects the middle class and you're talking about billionaires. Because here's what I said, okay? What I said was was that the national average is comprising of all 50 states. Sure, I get what it is. Different states have different policies. And the reality is, is that some of these states that you're mentioning literally had gas taxes last year as well. They were also included in the average that Trump was lambasting, saying that it was so high and that he was gonna get into office and completely change that. He said that states have stated that, so the reality can't come into a state. Well, that was his promise. Okay, that's what he said. Oh, my God. He's saying maybe he should have thought about promising something that he couldn't deliver on. Okay, sure. Every politician should. What? The Senate has delivered on everything that they've done. Realistically. That's the point. So the point is you're harping on this one thing and avoiding the actual thing that states are being mismanaged by Democrat run states from the governor down to the Senate to Congress and mayors. I just won an election up in Snohomish county in Washington. Shout out, Aaron. And we won one of the only Republicans to win in our state. And we did that by communicating to the people and actually figuring out what they want and being an open book and not being this insulated. We know better than everybody and we're going to try to, you know, manipulate your life into what we want it to be. That's not how it works. What were some of the things that you guys promised? What we promised. We promised to actually, we didn't make any promises to any sort of like donors or builders or anything like that. Say that you would do an office, that we would listen to the people and that we would. What does that mean? Well, the biggest complaint about people was permitting. Permitting takes too long. And people were complaining about housing, that too much multifamily housing was being built. Well, guess what? If you make permitting so long and arduous, builders only want to build multifamily because if it's going to take years for the permit to go through, they're not going to get their money back unless they make this building a multifamily thing. Right. So if you were to be in office and you didn't deliver on that, what would you think? I would want to be held responsible for that. And I criticize Trump for that. I'm not here. A sycophant should be held accountable if you don't deliver on what, 100%. That's what we have elections for. Absolutely, yeah. So the point is, is the whole reason why we're having this conversation is because, you guys, the Republicans have not delivered on what they said that they would deliver. Food prices are up. Energy bills are up. Everything is up. Yeah, the energy bills and gas prices are up in my state. Because of Democrats. Because the point is that that's just facts. We're talking about national averages. This is rhetoric. This actually means so little because it doesn't. So it means so little to that person that goes to the grocery store and realizes that they can't afford. Afford anything. It means so little. It means so little to the jobs left and right. It means so little to the person who's seeing $2 gas in other parts of the country and they're paying 525 a gallon. That's who it means a lot to. Okay? It means a lot to the people that are single moms needing to, like, go take their kids to doctors. What state. What state are you referring to that's paying $2 and something a gallon got what, like Oklahoma, Tennessee. I saw in Arizona. I paid 280 in Arizona. Okay. If you look at the state average for Arizona, it's about maybe 10%, maybe a little bit lower, but it's. But we don't even know that. We don't even know that it did lower. But just not as much as you wanted it to lower, because that's where you. I don't get what you're pointing. Because that was your promise. I don't get what you're pointing. That's what you promised. You promised that you were going to have these prices less than $2 a gallon nationally, and that did not happen. I look a little different than Trump. I did not say those things. Well, Trump still made these promises. He did. He did, and he didn't deliver it. Okay, there we go. And that's the argument. The only promises that seem to be kept are for those that are well connected in this country, because it makes no sense to me that we got the tax exemptions they got. If someone else breaks your promise for you, is that still your fault? What if someone. If you promise something to somebody and say there's a middleman, like, I don't know, a state government, and then that middleman completely takes away what you promised to somebody else, is that still your fault? Or is that the fault of the person who actually has control in that area? Why don't you explain to me what this Washington particular thing is? It's the cca. It's the Climate Commitment Act. So what is that? So it's essentially, it's a Carbon tax. And Jay Inslee, the last governor of the state, promised that it would only increase gas prices by pennies. That's what he literally said. He said pennies. We're talking about pennies. On average it increased between 50 to 70 cents per gallon. I'm not listening. Paul. You voted out. I'm sorry. All right, thank you, Isaiah. What's up, brother? Mo Robinson. Thank you. Hey man, I'm gonna be honest. Everything you've said up here sounds really disingenuous and one sided. Where were you when Joe Biden's inflation raised to 9%? Where were you in Joe Biden's gas prices were 8 and 9 bucks? Where were you when the the middle class was forced to stay inside and was forced to shut their businesses and the richer got richer and the poor got poorer? That was the real disparity there. And now you're sitting here complaining nine, ten months into a, a presidency about how he hasn't done what he's promised. Give the man a break. We just came out of the worst economy that's ever existed. 2.7%. It was the inflation rate the night of the presidential election. Is that the worst inflate the economy that you've ever seen? What do you mean two point? Say it again. On the night of the presidential election, the inflation rate in this country was 2.7%. So are you. Does that just take away the fact that it got to 9% in 2021 and 2022? What's your point? First off, I'm not here to defend everything under Joe Biden. No, but I am. But what I am here. But what I am here to say is that when inflation was high, that was a result of the pandemic and he brought that down to 2.7%. So you in the last year you inherited an economy three years. Absolutely. Substantially lower. And as a result you guys ran a cold campaign saying that you were going to reduce it lower than the 2.7%. That did not happen. But it's happening. In fact. Is it? Is inflation going down? Well, actually what's crazy is the inflation going down. Fed chair Jerome Powell just said that we've taken in more money. Is inflation going down? Let me finish. My comment has said that Jerome Powell said that the tariffs have brought in so much money that we're actually in a surplus. It will. Inflation is going down. It's not. Anybody think that their grocery prices are going down? Actually, actually chicken did just go down. Why? Because Trump thought that they were. And beef prices are near all Time, highs. So, okay, so we can play this game of choosing. That's why you got to look at an average. Ran for Congress, but you didn't speak out when Joe Biden destroyed this country. And now you're here nine months into a presidency. Oh, no, come on, man. This all seems dis. 7%. What are you talking about? It seems totally disingenuous. Chicken went from 340 to 10 bucks and you said nothing. And that's ridiculous. And now you're complaining that Donald Trump can't magically flip the switch. He made the promise. Don't make promises you can't keep. And okay, so that's what I'm saying is disingenuous. You haven't even waited a year yet. He said that he was going to do this as quickly. He said on day one he was going to start. Democrats and Republicans, we realized things take time. You made the promise and said that it was going to happen in less than a year. Everybody makes promises, my man. Let's be. Oh, okay. No, you're not. You're not. Again, this is why I think you're disingenuous. You're laughing at me. Did you win your Congress, brother? We're talking about Congress that inflation. No, no, no, no. I'm saying maybe you didn't win because you're, you're disingenuous. And now we have inflation that's going up. Okay, I think that I don't see. Gas prices nationally are beneath a gallon lower than they've been in years. And you're sitting here picking and lower. Again, you're complaining that it's 5 cents. And going back to my man's point right here, Gavin Newsom also introduced a new tax this year that raised prices again. So when you have Democrats that are counterintuitive to the success of this nation, they're destroying it, not Republicans. In fact, every single judge that sued Donald Trump. So why have we not seen similar increases or decreases, for example, in Texas. Texas hasn't seen. Texas just got under $3. I think people are talking about it right now. It was less than $3 last year. The state average. The state average. Less than $3 last year. Would love to see the jubilees fact check on that. And I will be correct. Okay, I hope, I hope, I hope you're right. But the national average is below $0.05 below what it was. We're in a good. You said it was going to be less than two bucks. That's what Trump. I didn't say it. Well, that's What Trump said, okay, let's get there. But it's really counterintuitive when you have Newsom, the guy from Washington, adding taxes on top of the gas to keep it high. It's almost like they're doing it on purpose to make sure prices don't come down. Oh, they're intentionally raising. Oh, so you get it now? You get it, Intentionally raising prices? Absolutely. Oh, this is hilarious. Why is this hilarious? What's hilarious to me is watch. Anybody think about intentionally raising prices when you're central. Are you kidding? Policy is tariffs. Nothing raises prices like tariffs. The argument was, was that Trump is raising people's prices. No, no, that's a fact. You can say it for whatever reason you want, but he's still raising prices for the middle class. You just changed your argument. He is looking out for the middle class. Hopefully tariffs bring jobs back here. How would he. And brings back manufacturing. Why is the unemployment rate going up? Why is manufacturing activity going down? Well, let's see. The unemployment's going up because we had to fire a bunch of people that were sitting in government because Joe Biden made government jobs go astronomically out of, out of control. And then he paid. Then he paid a ridiculous salary. So that's why you're like, oh, the wages went down. Actually, wage growth hasn't gone up in 50 years. The median salary in these countries, in this country, hasn't gone up in 50 years. In fact, if it did, minimum wage should have been well over $20 ten years ago. Will you support raising the minimum wage? No, I won't. Okay, pause. Care about wage growth. That's not what we're discussing. But hey, it was. My next surrounding claim is that Doge was a complete and total failure. You're pretty quick, Philip. Thank you, sir. It's an honor and pleasure. Good to see you, brother. Thank you so much for having me. Yes. So the claim being that Doge was a complete and total failure. I have difficulty imagining that that's true because, and I am coming at this as an anti statist, I'm a very strong propertarian believe in private property rights. But I will say I read all these stories and I expect they're at least somewhat accurate that the U.S. state Department was running global programs all over the world for, you know, all kinds of absurdities. Like they were promoting transgenderism in places like Nigeria where the people clearly don't want it. The people of Nigeria are often very conservative. They don't agree with this stuff. They're promoting that. Well, they were doing it through like education programs primarily targeted at younger university students because they're trying to take hold of you. The United States government was funding the State Department? Yes. Yeah. Like. Like gender ideology education programs. They were trying to teach. Yeah, they're trying to teach people in the Third World stuff that came out of the Princeton faculty lounges. Like, there's 74 genders and things of that nature. So there's a class that's funded by the United States State Department. Oh, in Pakistan, in Afghanistan, in Nigeria. Yeah. These deeply conservative cultures that the Ivy League educated people that run the U.S. state Department, they want to convert it into an Ivy League faculty lounge. You know, that's what they want to do. So, you know, they spread all this cultural Marxist propaganda all over the world, and they try to. The core goal of it, the end goal, is to undermine the family, is to undermine traditional family and traditional faith. That's their goal. So they want to do that in places that are very conservative and family oriented, like Nigeria and. Well, I mean, Pakistan might be family oriented in the wrong way. Why do you think that if this is true, why do you think that. That they would want to do that? Well, because the ultimate, the end goal is to undermine the family and to undermine traditional faith. Because if they make it so that the younger. The United States government was trying to undermine faith. Absolutely. Oh, the United States government, historically, like I would say for at least since at least the beginning of the Cold War, if not even, you know, before that, they've been some of the chief promoters of cultural Marxism and, you know, policies and ideologies and philosophies that are designed to undermine traditional faith and traditional family throughout the world. So, you know. Oh, yeah, absolutely. No, the US Government overwhelmingly, especially for the past, like probably three generations of Americans, it's overwhelmingly been a force for global evil. Really? It's an evil empire. That's really interesting to me because the last time I checked, I think the DOGE was created to cut spending in the United States. Yes. And what has happened? Depending on who you ask, $7 billion, $2 billion. Somewhere between there is that number. It's a drop in the bucket. Do you know what that total percentage of that is? The United States budget? Oh, it wouldn't surprise me if it's below 2%. Like 0.1%. Yeah, yeah. No, from a fiscal standpoint, it was certainly a failure. But what I'm saying is, from a culture war standpoint, I think there were some successes when it comes to cutting spending for Americans in our country. Right. It was a Complete and total failure. Close to a total failure. Yeah. When it comes to actually cutting spending, I guess then we would agree on the fiscal level. Yes. Not necessarily on the culture one. I'm glad we could agree. Yeah. Yeah. Or not necessarily on the. On the broader philosophical. Because what also happened as a result of this was spending. The Trump administration went and pushed even further wasteful spending. Like, for example, the billion dollars that they're about to spend or currently spending to rename the Department of War. I would say that's a pretty wasteful group of spending. Yeah, I would say it probably is. A billion dollars to retrofit a plane from Qatar. Yeah. You know, I mean, I don't. That's pretty wasteful if you ask me. Republicans are very wasteful spenders, too. You know, they certainly are. There's no question. I think we agree. We effectively. And you might even agree with this, too, to a great extent. We have a uni party in this country. The only real separation, I would say, between Republicans and Democrats is really on the culture war issues. And this is where Noam Chomsky was correct. He said that, you know, we reached a situation in America where the major parties have no choice but to run on culture war issues because economically, you know, to a great degree, they're indistinguishable. Well, what is true is that we see these mass increases to the deficit and then, for example, the national debt when Republicans take office, largely because they blow a donut hole in the deficit by giving tax cuts to the richest people in America. I think that that's something that just needs to stop. Well, I mean, I'm anti tax and anti statist, so I don't think that anybody should pay taxes because I don't think that there should be taxes, and I don't think there should be a state that has to be funded by taxes. You don't think there should be any tax? No, I think that society should be governed by voluntary private associations designed to protect private. Did you fly here to Los Angeles? No, no. I'm from around here, if you can believe it. So. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Did you drive here? I got driven here. You got driven here on what roads? Right. Oh, yeah, No, I fully recognized that, you know, there's public amenities all around us and that in some way, in order for you to drive here, it takes what it takes. Funding to keep the roads. Well, yes, but I've been forced to pay taxes to fund the construction and maintenance of those roads. The money has to come from somewhere. Yes, yes. It'll come from voted out by the authority. Thank you, sir. Yes, it's an honor and pleasure. Thank you. Thank you. Hi. Hi, Ms. Good to see you. So I know Gavin Newsom is the leader for the Democratic Party right now. That's who's going to be the nominee, most likely. And everyone's super excited about him. But guess what? But I live in California where spending is out of control and the fact that nobody wants to even look into fraud and everyone is burning down Teslas when Elon Musk was trying to help and he came in with good intentions is shocking to me. Gavin Newsom cannot find right now $24 billion that he spent on the homeless, when actually they increased the homeless now by 20% because all they do is just keep building housing and hiring developers. These two developers now have been indicted because they've been spending all their money on Coachella tickets and Birkin bags, private jets, vacations, you name it. Last time I checked. I'm not really here to debate the record on Gavin Newsom and what happens in California. I'm here to talk about Doge and what has happened in the federal government. And as a result of these policies, you've cut maybe 1.1% of the federal budget. Meanwhile, you've just gone and spent everything else. You now have, for example, like I said, billion dollars to rename the Department of War. You now have, for example, the fact that they're spending money, about $12 billion for farm subsidies because the tariffs were just that bad. So it's all a wash. So I don't really understand. Well, nobody let it do job loss. How is it that these guys are actually cutting spending? So he said that Elon said that it was somewhat successful and the only reason he wouldn't do it again is because everyone burnt down his Teslas and tried to destroy his business that he started 100 to $200 billion in zombie payments is what he said. I have a question. Yes. Did you get your $2,000 doge check from the tariffs from Doge as a result of all this spending, which was supposed to happen, there was supposed to be a $2,000 doge check. Did you get that? No, but they haven't said anything about that. Have they introduced something for that? Who said that they were supposed to do that? I know we're supposed to be getting that. We'd be getting a check in the mail, but nobody. You guys went into this not letting him start do what he came there to do. So you control the. Why would anyone want fraud to be Contained in the White House. Because it's happening in this government. Why is it happening over there? What do you mean? You control the House. The Senate. In the White House. Okay. And you still couldn't get it done. How could anyone work like that? Honestly, Having all agreed. Not let the guys having the House, the Senate and the White House villainized him. You control it all. You control it all. So what? And you said you couldn't get it done with your people in trouble. You guys were doxxing him and calling this guy big balls and going crazy about every single thing with Doge. Doge was literally vilified. But we were allowed to be audited by the IRS when Biden hired 80,000 IRS agents. The random regular people. Let me ask you a question. You don't. I'm sorry, but if there's people doing fraud in the government, you don't want to know about it. How does a bill become a law? Do you know? Goes through Congress. And so then what? It has to go through both chambers of Congress. Okay. Go to the President. Yes. And then he. Who has a majority in the Senate? We do. Who has a majority in the House? We do. But what does that have to do with those. Who is in the White House? What party's in the White House? The Republicans. So it's almost like you can do anything you want. They managed to pass tax cuts for the richest people in America, but they didn't manage to go get the checks that they promised the American people. When did they promise? But they're not even done yet. That just didn't happen before. But they're not even done yet. Honestly. The same way Trump got into office and everyone said, price of eggs. Price of eggs within two days in office. When the bird flu was around for three years before. And no one said, boom. Because here's what's so interesting about conservatives. Yes. Is that you run on all of these different things and then the second you don't do them, you expect that people will not hold you accountable. No, you did not do that. Nobody's saying that. No. And the reality is. Why did I say that? Is that you walked around and cut 0.1% of the federal budget. Then you spin over that with wasteful spending. Like, for example, I don't like wasteful spending. I've never said I did that. Kristi Noem is spending for a new private jet to retrofit another Qatari Air Force One. You can say, can we agree on something? Why? But can we agree on something? Is it okay to vilify Doge and Elon and all this stuff. Why wouldn't you want to know from the get go, everyone went crazy about Doge and all that. Why wouldn't you want to know if there's fraud? I know if my entire state. We don't know where the money's going. Our sidewalks are broken. This. Potholes everywhere. All the homeless and are trashing the street. Graffiti everywhere. I don't know where my taxes are going here. I live here. Well, then, so. And he is your model. You got. He's going to be the running for president. That's your model, right? Not. Come on. I mean, look, that's your model? I think so. I don't understand. Why wouldn't you care? Folks in California, I do. Ultimately, I do. And I get nowhere. Everyone's talking. I'm here to talk about Doge and the reality is. But why did you want Doge to start? Did you want Doge to start? I support government efficiency. Actually, I do. I think that if we. If. Did you condemn the burning of the Teslas and all that. Let's talk about this. I believe that government needs to be more efficient. I think that everybody should. Barack Obama was somebody that supported a lot of that. Yeah, but that's not what you do. It added more bureaucracy across the board. You then meant to go and spend more money than you allegedly cut. You lied about the money that you were cutting before you got called out before npr. You guys. I wish you guys held the. Biden. You fired Elon Musk. You fired him. I wish you held. You literally told Elon to go home. Inflation was Elon to go home. Elon had to go home because no one let the guy. He wanted to destroy his. Okay, you guys don't let anyone do anything. Literally. You control the house, the city, but that's irrelevant. So we can go back to immigration then? Because why don't you guys pass laws on immigration after four years? Biden, when they told us, literally they told us he was helping us go do what you promised, you didn't. But we're not done yet. You fired Elon? He's gone. Thank you so much. Thank you. What's up, man? Scotty. Nice to meet you. Yeah. So, Scotty Pippen. Yep. Come on now. Honestly, I kind of want to start off like, why was Doge even on this? Honestly, when we all saw the prompts, I went, what the heck? Why? Nobody talks about Doge anymore. Right. I think we both can agree, right, that I do think Trump shouldn't be spending those Things on the Department of War. Right. Shouldn't be spending all that money. Right. But Democrats did the exact same thing. And when you look at dosh, the core of it was good. We're trying to get rid of government spending. That was the whole point. Right. And so when you look at your prompt, can you say your prompt again one more time? For me, that was just a complete and total failure. Complete and total failure. Now, can I look at you and say, dozer is a complete success? No, I can't. Right. But your rhetoric when you say that prompt. Right. Is totally misguiding for us. Right. What are we supposed to say to that? Right. And now you did say. Right. It said, was it 0.1% that we were saved as a result? I don't exactly. I don't exactly know the number that they had said or anything, but we're supposed to cut government funding. Right? Did any government's funding get cut? You said it. Wait a second. Any government funding get cut? No, because you then spent more than what you point one percent. You cut 0.1%. Then you went and bought private jets. You retrofitted another Air Force One. You're reading Department of what? So it's almost like that's a wash. And by. I remind you, the national debt is set to increase this year by $2.3 trillion. Okay, so, okay, but where does that. And so by the way, Trillion dollars. And you say like a $500 million debt by the. So that's what I'm saying. So the peanuts on the budget that you cut is literally already been absorbed by other things. If you made $50,000, this would be the equivalent of celebrating a $50 situation. I mean, so look, let's talk about what's happening in this country is that you guys ran on cutting $2 trillion, then it turned to $200 billion. That's nowhere close to being reality. So that whole situation was a failure. If we're talking about Doge as itself, it didn't happen. It did happen. Right? We had Elon. What do you mean it didn't happen? It did happen. Exactly. No, I can agree with you. Right. Did we cut $2 trillion? No. No, we. Did you cut $200 billion. Trump tried, right? He ran, he tried. And he saw how bad Biden was at the government spending. He tried and he failed. Right. And he failed. I don't think it's necessarily a failure. Right. When you try, like, does Trump have to be perfect in everything that he wasn't even. He didn't even get To. No, he doesn't have to be actually perfect. Right. But it's the whole point of. He didn't even go there. Trying to cut government spending from the government spending increased. The government's spending more money than they did last year. That's according to the Treasury. Well, okay, like, okay, break that down then. Okay, no, but break that down. Right. In terms of why, though. But why is the government spending going up? I mean, I'm just telling you because if the whole idea was to go cut spending in the United States federal budget, that did not happen. It didn't happen. You're spending more. I mean, I don't. I just, I don't. I don't know what you want me to, like, say though. Right. I want you to just say. I just want you to say from the beginning is just dumb. And that could be. That could be your. That can be your argument. And all of us. That none of us. That can be your argument. All you want. That doesn't change. But it doesn't. Was a complete and total failure. And you're hitting. And the reality is that it failed. It. We wanted to cut. Oh, okay. Right. Wait a second. Wanted to. Wait a sec. Wait a second. You tried to do it. So I guess you want a participation trophy, don't you? Okay, so did Biden cut. You want it. You want to participate in cut spending? You want to Obama cut government spending. You want to Bush cut government spending? What was the. That's the problem. Republicans want less government control. That's the whole difference between you in two. Democrats want bigger government control. 2016. Can you tell me around. You don't gotta be perfect what the deficit was in this country. Can you tell me what that number was like? The national debt? Yes. The deficit? No. The deficit. The deficit. Budget deficit in this country? No, actually, don't tell me it was around the $500 billion range. 400, 2016. Yes. 2016. Okay. That number is now 2.3 trillion. 1.8 trillion on the deficit. 2.3 trillion. Yeah. Because you guys went and signed in 2017 the tax cuts and Jobs act, which ballooned the deficit. It continued. It was a long piece of legislation. It continued throughout Biden's presidency. Okay. Yep. That same thing. You just went and approved literally to extend those same tax cuts to now add $3.4 trillion to national debt. My whole point about why I'm talking about this is because Doge did not go and do the things that it promised. It said that it was gonna cut spending. It didn't happen. I think that you conservatives should just own up to the fact that it was a failure. Okay, say, pause. You've been voted out. Thank you. What's up, Jessica? Good. See you. Okay, so I think Doge didn't do as much as we wanted it to do. And I think part of it had to do with the fact that Elon Musk had to be out of the office in 120 days in the administration because he wasn't a government employee. I think part of that also has to do with the fact that Biden increased to almost 1.9, but $2 trillion in our national debt, and he was the one who printed 40% of the dollar circulating in America right now in 2022, which created more inflation, which created more spending in our government. We also were spending and paying for people to have transgender balls in places like Europe. And, you know, where is that happening? Well, it's not happening anymore because we cut USCID while it was happening. I can't remember the exact country, but I know that. You don't know the country, but you say that it's happening. It happened is what happened. It happened. It did happen. Yeah. Where? I don't think. I'm sure when you rewatch it, you can. That didn't happen. It did happen. It did happen. Yeah. We had funding for things that are outside of the country for transgender balls. Transgender plays. Transgender balls. Yes. They exist. Okay. As well as condoms for places like in the Middle East. Do you know why that is? Why we paid for condoms for other countries. Do you know why that is? Go ahead and tell me. To prevent the spread of aids. Well, maybe they should. To prevent the spread of aids. Think that if we can prevent the spread of aids, that that helps the world? I think that we should probably. I think that financially, I would say that something that can spread across borders, something like aids, keeping that down is a really. Well, it doesn't spread across borders. If we keep the people who aren't supposed to be here out of our country, get on planes and travel so someone doesn't go visit. So an American citizen doesn't go to a place that. In the Middle east like you're describing and then come back to America. That doesn't happen. So preventing the spread of those of AIDS in their countries can help us prevent the spread in our country. Why don't we. Why don't we. Why don't we not pay for other countries health care? And we pay for our health care. Considering our health care because of Obamacare just this year is about to spike because it got pushed off artificially by the Biden administration. He artificially pushed off a lot of things. I'm sure we could talk about health care till we're blue in the face. Right? But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the fact that Doge. You think we should prioritize paying for condoms in other countries. More dollars to national debt than any other president in the history of this country. Congratulations. You didn't do anything. Well, that's what Donald Trump did. That's what the Republicans you voted for did. The reality is. Do you know how much it increased under Biden? $900 billion. $900 billion. If Doge was to exist, to go and cut spending for the American people, that did not happen. And might I remind you, if you want to go talk about the amount of debt approved by each president Donald Trump approved during his whole term, $8.4 trillion. If you want to talk about what he approved in terms of. Without Covid related spending, that's about $4.8 trillion. Within his first term, Joe Biden approved $4 trillion total 2.4 trillion of which happened of non Covid related spending. The results of it. It doesn't matter what you're talking about, because Joe Biden approved half the amount of debt than your savior, Donald Trump did. I don't consider him. That's a fact. Jesus Christ is my savior. Let's make that clear. Okay, Donald Trump. I don't think Donald Trump is a Republican personally. I think he's a Democrat and he's. Oh, now he's a Democrat. Oh, okay. Yeah, he always has been. It's news for me, really. Maybe he just ran for president as a Republican. What, three times? Yeah. To win. To win. So he's not a Republican, but he ran as a Republican. What has he spent his whole life doing? He's literally so. People can't change. People can't change. So you're now saying that Donald Trump is not a Republican. That's news to me. Yeah. I don't think that would be news for the. For the majority of Americans that are watching him. Literally just run for president as a Republican three times. You can register as a Republican because you can win as a Republican. He's openly said, I would register as an Independent, but I'm not an Independent and I won't win as one. Or do you think that they're trying to. I think that it's alarming that we're now in 2025 and your argument is about whether or not Trump is a real Republican. That's not my argument. You're trying to deflect from the fact that Trump. I'm not deflecting. Said he was gonna do with Doge. If you promise to go cut $2 trillion worth of spending and that does not happen, that's something that you have to be held accountable for. When you run on an idea of cutting $200 billion worth, that's something that you have to answer for. And for the millions of people in this country that actually thought that you guys are gonna deliver them Doge checks, they're gonna be waiting for it because you're not gonna actually do it. You know what? I don't think a lot of people expected that because, you know, Trump isn't Biden, who is handing out $2,000 to people for sitting at home. That never happened. Or, you know, saying, you don't have to. I got a check. Oh, you're talking about this. You're talking about the stimulus check that Trump also gave. I don't agree with stimulus checks. So what are you talking about? What are you talking. Because Doge made these promises about a Doge check. What are you talking about? Doge made the promises about a Doge check. Elon made these promises. Okay, well, Elon's not my president. Elon'. Donald Trump also said that he would support that as well. What do you think? If it was available. He said he would support. Oh, if it was available. That's what it is now. Yes. This. What's so funny? What's so funny about this whole thing? Okay, give me a laugh. What conservatives do is that you guys can never take personal responsibility. Says the people. Says the. You can't do it. I'm really sorry, but I can't hear that from the side of the aisle. That is pro choice, who can't even take accountability. You do any. You'll do anything. You'll do anything to distract from Doe. You'll do anything to distract. Because that's what we're talking about. Okay? You've tried to move the conversation a million different places, but the facts are, is that you cannot answer for the fact that you didn't go cut the spending that you're talking about, and the government of the United States is spending more money than it did last year. That's a fact that you can't run out of. So they didn't. I guess I wouldn't know the exact number. Why don't you enlighten me? So we didn't decrease what's the exact number? Can you tell me? That's going up by $2.3 trillion in deficit? 1.8. You don't even know. But that was already projected to do so even before Trump was in office. Economists said we were going to go into recession and we were going too high in our spending. It was already happening. So you ran things that are happening. I didn't run any campaign. And things that are happening right now. Inflation takes 12. We're talking about Doge and spending. What are we talking about? I'm talking about the. You're the one who brought in the amount of spending we're doing this year. And honestly. Because that's what the argument that we're talking about is. You can't deflect from this. I'm not spending money. Everything that's happening now in our economy is because of the alt. Is because of the pushback. We're talking about Doge. Stay focused. Pause. We're out of time on this one. Thank you. My final surrounding claim is that Trump is terrible for the economy. What's up, brother? So I want to speak about all of your claims at once, since I think they all tie into each other. We're talking about the economy. You think Trump is horrible for the economy. You think Trump is doing more for the wealthy than for rich people? You think George was a failure? You think Trump's immigration plan is horrible? We're talking about the economy about. Right. Let's make sure that we. Let's, let's. All right, so we can speak about the economy, but we've only been talking about the economy so far. You think that regular people care about gas prices, about grocery prices, about energy bills? I think regular people care about not being burned alive on a subway like Bethany McKee. I think they care about not being stabbed in the neck like Arina Zyritska. I think they don't want people like Daniel Penny to be made into political prisoners for defending innocent people from criminals who've sometimes been let out 72 times by Democrats. So we can talk about the economy, but don't you think that crime is far more important? And Trump is doing far better on crime than Joe Biden ever did, than any Democrat ever did. Okay, I'm gonna step in here. Right. Every instance of crime should be prosecuted. I believe that Democrats support that, but that's not the subject. We can have a whole long conversation about crime. What I'm here to talk about is the fact that our economy is not moving in the right direction. We see that every single day. Why did you say that? Say that inflation is going up, energy bills are going up left and right. Certainly not a good thing. Look at what's happening to the farmers, for example. We now have to go pay $12 billion to effectively subsidize them because the tariffs were not good for us. Well, I'm gonna still go back to what I was saying, brother. We're talking about the economy. We've spoken. We're not having. We're not spoken for the past 45 minutes about the economy. Well, that's the debate that we're having. You're trying to change the subject. I don't know if you're unprepared about the prompts that's in front of us, but what we're talking about. You seem to not want to talk about the economy. You seem to not want to talk about the economy. Why don't we speak about all the prompts together? You've been voted out by the majority. Please return to your seat. I bet you run a mean hundred. I don't. All right, so it's nice to. Faster than Trump, probably. Maybe he's a little old. A little. So you keep citing this figure of 2.7% inflation on the night of the election. You've also repeatedly said that inflation is up. It's actually, as of a couple of days ago, averaging a total 2.7%. So you've kind of defeated yourself there. That's not true. That's true. That was published two days ago by, like, the White House. Core inflation in this country is about 3.1%. And besides, average inflation is currently 2.7%. And by the way, they refused to release inflation reports for a very long time. So I don't know what you're talking about with that sand fact check. People will see, but. Yes, they will. But average spending for ordinary Americans, prices are actually going down for staple goods. Bread down, pasta down, shrimp down again. Statistics came out, like, two days ago. I don't know about beef. Beef is. Chicken's down, eggs are down. I don't know about beef. So what's happening across the board. That's why you got to look at things as an average inflation is up. Core inflation. No, it's not. It's. It's a. It's at minimum. It's the same as it was. It's about 3.1%. Ish. No, it's just. And the reality is, also. Here's what's also happening in this country. When you have to go and you have to go give $12 billion as farm bailouts as a result of policies that are hurting our farmers across this. Those bailouts that are being used to begin with. You're a Democrat. You don't not support farmer subsidies. I'd be surprised if that were the case. Well, that's not. Farmers also need subsidies because they just lost a huge amount of an illegal slave class that was making their labor extremely cheap. They need to be able to subsidize that cost to make that payment possible. So you realize what's happening as a result of. What do farmers import? They're growing things here. Hold on, Wait a second. What's happening right now is that the inputs that are used by all of these farmers to grow their property, their crops across this country are making are costing more money as a result of the tariffs that have been put in place. That does what to their production costs? It makes things go up. Right. I don't know what gets tariffs on farmers. I'm sorry. Potash is something that was consistently tariffed. We can probably start making that here. I mean, we could. Well, the majority of our potash comes from places like Canada. What are you talking about? We start making it here. But that's not the argument that we're having. Do you want manufacturing to go up by producing that? That's not the argument that we're having. The argument is. It's an economic argument. It's not happening. The argument is that what you guys did by putting these tariffs in place made things more expensive. And now we have to go put a band aid on these things by going up and putting $12 billion worth of farm subsidies directly as a result, as a bailout. Because of the policies that you guys enacted. You don't oppose bailouts. I'm confused why you're bringing this up. Because the farm. The whole reason why we're having to do an emergency farm subsidy act effectively is because of the fact that you guys artificially raise the cost of everything that farmers have to do. They're struggling right now. There are more bankruptcies. I think they would take that money. Wait, wait, Wait a second. Hold on. Wait a second. Of people not trying to. I just want to make sure that you understand this point very clearly that we had more bankruptcies in the first quarter of this year for farmers than all of last year. The small business index actually reports that small businesses are highly optimistic right now. We're talking about the amount of bankruptcies that were happening in this country as a result of the first quarter of this year. Or more than all of last year. That's a fact. If you go and you ask these farmers whether or not they would want this emergency bill, they would tell you no. They would say, just release the tariffs that are destroying their businesses. Well, farmers also want really cheap labor, and I don't because I believe in what's best for the country and not what's best for big businesses and huge business farms that do that. The unemployment rate for American citizens is going up. Takes time. We just fired a ton of people. But now it takes time. It does. We're in year one. So the point is, is that the policies that you guys are pushing are not delivering the results. You guys are making things. We're getting a lot of money from tariffs, actually. What's your argument for that? We're making a lot of money off of this stuff. What's happening to the deficit? What's happening to the deficit? Probably going up because again, I want ICE to have funding, but the amount of funding that ICE has received as an increase does not is not less than the amount of tariffs that you brought in. And by the way, who pays a tariff? Importer. It's all of us. The importer is the one that pays. And then they pass that price on directly to the. They can. Yeah. So you're bragging. So you're bragging. So is the thing sell it to us. I don't think things should be easy. So is the thing in front of us. Right. So is the thing want to get jobs around here. So it's the question in front of us about whether or not you support American people basically paying for the largest tax increase in recent American history. You are supporting big businesses by doing this. What? Tariffs hurt big businesses. Tariffs hurt small farmers as well. That's why we had more bankruptcies for small farmers. We're getting money to share those farmers through their subsidies. Well, not if they can't afford to keep their farms, because you guys literally have a situation in place where you're increasing bankruptcies left and right. Farms aren't closing. We literally had more bankruptcies in the first quarter of this year than all of last year. Pause. We'll move on to the next debater. Thank you. Thank you. Nice to meet you. Isaiah, how's it going? Good to see you. Hey, brother. All right, so I guess on the economy point, do you want to talk about tariffs or do you want to talk about the one big beautiful bill? Because those were kind of the two biggest points. What about tariffs? Whatever you want to talk about. Sure. So I guess on tariffs, I mean, do you think that it is a good thing that other countries have tariffs on the United States and that those are allowed to go unchecked? I think that when it comes to the American consumer, you guys raise people's prices by putting tariffs in place. I mean, that wasn't the question I asked. I think that's the result of the policies that you push. Okay, so would you agree that it is a bad thing that other countries have tariffs on these United States? It depends. I don't think. Well, okay. Well, I guess I don't think it's a good thing for our businesses that they have to be charged to export their industries to other countries. I think that it is a better thing for American business to boom. If we get other countries like we've seen in the UK and with EU trade agreements being negotiated out so that we can get other countries to take their tariffs off of us. And that was the original point. The United Kingdom take their tariffs off of us. We had a new trade agreement that had them lower their tariffs on the United States. Did they take them off? They lowered them. So let me ask you a question. What would be the purpose of enacting tariffs on a country like Canada? On Canada? Well, you want to protect certain industries, and Canada also has a lot of tariffs on the United States and to get them to have a trade agreement with the United States on that. I don't. I don't think it's. Didn't we have free trade agreement? I don't think. No, I don't think. Was. What was the United States, Mexico Canada Agreement? Yeah, that. That wasn't in effect when Donald Trump took office. Who negotiated the United States, Mexico, Canada Agreement? Look, I don't think it's. I don't think it's not a good thing. Who negotiated. It's not a good. You know what it is? It is not. Do you know what it is? You don't know what it is? Yes, I do. What is it? Explain it. Yeah. It was a trade agreement between the United States that overturned the previous NAFTA agreement. And so what did it do? It established the parameters. So who negotiated it? Donald Trump. So Donald Trump negotiated the usmc? Yeah. Yeah. We need to. Free trade agreement that was governing over the United States. It wasn't free trade. We need to. We need to renegotiate these trade agreements. What is. What does NAFTA stand for? North American Free Trade Agreement. That's what was before Donald Trump like free trade? Yeah, again, that was before. That wasn't that wasn't effect when Donald Trump. So then us it was. And so first of all, the USMCA was effectively the same thing as nafta. No way. And so, so what changed? I mean, the, the actual, the trade parameters changed. But like, like I said, I don't think it's a good thing. Name one. What do you mean? I mean for stars. Lumber. The, the way that we trade lumber with Canada changed. Oh, I don't know the actual intricacies of the usmca, but what I will say is I don't, I don't think it's a good thing. I don't think it's a good thing when countries. Why did you go and put tariffs on a country that we had free trade with? What gets better than free? Well, I guess with Canada there's, there's also the. I mean, I didn't, I didn't. There's, there's also the added. Something better than also the added part with Canada that they were, you know, spraying propaganda into the United States which isn't a good thing that we have an ally spreading propaganda into the United States. That has nothing to do with what. Yes, it is. I, I'm just asking. Tariffs are a. Why did you put on a country that we had free trade with? It was free. Yeah, because they were pumping propaganda into the United States. They were pumping propaganda into the United States. How? What do you mean how? How? I was like during the World Series. Canada pro propaganda the United States. Of course we're going to put tariffs on them for that. We should have showed a commercial of Ronald Reagan in his own words. That means shouldn't have other countries. So wait a second. Allies. The President states. So you just made Americans pay more for everything that comes from Canada because they showed a commercial you didn't like? That sounds like being a snowflake if you ask me. We should be holding our allies accountable. Now when they counter signal the United States of America. This is what happens when you have conservative government. They're so sensitive, they're over here raising your prices because they had a commercial that you don't like. Tariffs don't raise prices. There was just a study uchicago that came out that tariffs actually don't raise the prices of. Why would you go put tariffs on a country we had free, free F R E E trade with? I think that we have a strategic advantage of having our lumber industry here in the United States. I don't want to be reliant upon Canada for our lumber. What do we do to go and achieve that aim. Yeah. It makes it more expensive for imports to come to the United States so that American businesses can relocate back to America. So now, if your disagreement was tariffs on lumber, your answer now is for tariffs on everything again? Yeah. You want to establish leverage for future trade agreements. That's how trade agreements work. That's how negotiations work. And the leverage is to go and charge for something you are getting largely for free again, because you want to have a strategic advantage of making it in the United States, obviously free. And you've heard and you've heard and you've heard American businesses that does stuff with Canada. As a result of that, the amount of trade that we've had for American companies that do business with Canada has decreased as a result of these policies. And now what's also happening is that Canada is now going all around the world to go look for other partners. It's why, for example, they're meeting with India, why they're meeting with the European Union. And when they go and they go find these new partners, they're not going to want to go buy as much from the United States. So you know what these policies did? Because you guys were offended about a commercial, you sent our trade partners all the way around the world, you raised our prices as a result, and you screwed over American businesses. And that's not something that's good for the American people. You want to talk about Canada, but you don't pause. You've been voted out. Thank you. Hello, Bonnie. Thank you. Says Donald Trump on it. I didn't see that part. Okay. I didn't see that part. Okay. You know, a tariff is a tax. Right. And Democrats love to tax people. So all of a sudden, the Democrat in the room doesn't want to tax anybody. Well, Donald Trump. I just want to make sure I correct this. A corporate tax is a tax on profits. A tariff is a tax on raw goods. It's why, for example, your tariffs are making things more expensive. Okay. When you bought that, you didn't know how that works. Okay. You bought that watch, Rolex. Is this a Rolex? Whatever it is, the watch that you bought, there was a tax on that. It wasn't a corporate tax. And Rolex. And by the way, it's an Apple watch. But Apple had to pay corporate tax, which, by the way, I want to raise that, by the way, for Apple, if you didn't know. So you want to raise corporate taxes. Yeah. But you don't want to raise tariffs. You don't want to talk about tariffs. But Most of the tariffs, by the way, most of the tariffs are comparable tariffs. So whatever country is charging us, we had free trade with Canada. I don't think. I don't know if that's true. It's hard for me to talk about some of these debates. I like to talk about more principled type of stuff. But basically Trump was trying to get comparable tariffs. So if a country was charging us 30% tariffs, we charge them. So then he went. So he went to a country we had no tariffs with and then added tariffs on them. I'm not gonna talk specifically about because it doesn't make any sense, but let me just say, what about Mexico? The other thing about Mexico, the part about tariffs, was that he wanted to encourage companies to build and manufacturing activity has declined. We actually don't really need to trade with that many countries manufacturing, oil resources. We have farmland. And the reason why I think farmers are going out of business is because corporate people and dark money is buying up their property and forcing little farmers out. We have become a corporized farming country. It's blackrock for one. It's bad news that is preventing small farmers. I just want to make sure that I am not for these big wealthy corporations. I'm not one of those folks. Right. So I agree that there's a lot of that that's going on that needs to stop. That's why it also doesn't really make much sense that you guys got rid of the Consumer Protection Bureau that was literally there to go and crack down on a lot of these things that was happening in this country. You got rid of that stuff. So I don't think Consumer Protection Bureau was probably very corrupt like most of the government agencies. Something that why don't billion dollars directly back to the taxpayers in this country. That's something that's inherently corrupt. Here's the problem. You guys put these tariffs on place and now you raise people's prices. People's businesses are suffering as a result of these things that you guys have done. Are prices going up or are prices going down? Gas is going down, Eggs are going down, Chicken is going down. Like they said, rice and pasta is going down. I don't know why you think I don't know. We need a little bit of inflation. The government wants like 2, 3% inflation. That is the goal of government to have that kind of country, my friend, whether you like it or not. And it's why people don't feel that great about the economy. It's why Republicans are losing everywhere across the country and they Tell you. And when you ask them why they're losing, it's because they say that they don't like the way that Donald Trump has raised their prices. And ultimately, what's happening in this country is that your policies are making things more expensive for everybody in America. Another reason why price is my be going up is because the dollar value of the dollar is going down because they're printing so much. It's not that things are going up. We literally had a net going down relative. Pause, pause. Thank you. Okay. Isaiah will now select someone from the circle to return to the center and debate a claim of their choice. You like my shirt? I chose Dennis for the final debate because he's running for the United States Congress. So let's see if he's prepared. All right. My surrounding claim is that Democrats hate America. Prove me wrong. Prove you wrong? Yeah. That's a very subjective opinion. No, it's very objective. What is the point that you're trying to make? It's unbelievably. I mean, we're in California right now. We're in Los Angeles. This is a state that's been run for over 60 years by a Democrat super majority. We've had Democrat governors for a plurality of almost 60 years as well. The last 12, it was Jerry Brown Jr. And now we have Gavin Newsom for two terms. And the state. Not only are we running a historic deficit, but we just spent, as somebody mentioned here earlier, $25 billion in five years to solve the homelessness crisis. And that money just evaporated. It went all to NGOs, you know, Gavin Newsom's cronies. And there's no accountability. There's no interest in there being any sort of accountability. So much so that Louisiana county itself has spent over a billion dollars to fix homelessness. Our current comptroller, Kevin Mejia, tried to do an audit. And the mayor, Karen Bash, Communist. Karim Bass. Yes. She's a communist. She'll cut up. Trained by Fidel Castro. What is this whole argument about? The whole thing is that it's about centralized power. They're all communists. They're all Marxists. You're part of this. You're a part of this infrastructure. Let me finish my point. Let me finish. Yes, that's exactly what I just stated. So, Joe. Matt, Communist. Let me just finish my point. John Fetterman is a Marxist. Let me finish my point. Well, he's associating himself with that. Yes. Your party's being eaten from within by the Democrat Socialists of America. That's how you Get Zoramdani out of New York. That's part of their goal. They're saying it literally. You just described a party that has diversity of thought. That's kind of how things happen. That's not diversity of thought. That's what happens. That's what happens when you're not in a brainless cult like maga. I'm just gonna tell you this. So you've got, for example, that's unbelievable levels of the party. And the Democratic Party is one that has folks like Joe Manchin and Zoran Mamdani. It's people with a wide array of a political spectrum. You're being extremely disingenuous right now. I just want to. You're being. What is it that you're trying to say about Democrats that hate America? You're saying half America hates this country. Let me do my point, okay? You brought up Joe Manchin and you brought up John Fetterman. Two people that every time. John Fetterman specifically, he actually is a middle of the road guy. Every time. No, let me finish my point, okay? Every time he sides with common sense policy. That is coming from the Republican. Let me finish my point, dude. Every time he sides with common sense policy. Let me finish my point, bro. Are you gonna let me just keep flustered, aren't you? I'm not flustered. I can see it over you, your eyes. I'm not. Oh, now he's trying to play back what I did a minute ago. Remember that one? Yes, I do remember that one. Look how the tables have turned. Oh, my God, dude, you're being so petty. Let me finish my point, okay? Okay. You brought up Joe Manchin and John Fetterman, okay? Every time they side with common sense policy from Republicans, what happens? They get eaten alive by their own side. You watch Hassan Piker. You watch anybody on the left. They will eat them alive for siding with common sense. Things that people in Pennsylvania and their states want. Not the Democrat orthodoxy. Okay, Your party hates America. You look at Ilhan Omar. I just want to make sure Ilhan Omar got into Congress with a negative net worth of $45,000. She's worth over $60 million. Explain that to me right now. The fact that there are people with a wide array of thought. And by the way, I just want to make sure it is not. I am not in the Joe John Fetterman era. You're gaslighting. That's not where I stand personally. I am a Barack Obama style Democrat. But ultimately, of course. Right. I think he was a really good president. But at the end. Really. So you support the one president. Don't. Wait, no, no, no. I want to take that back. No, hold on one second. Hold on one second. Democrats hate America. You think Barack Obama was the greatest president when he unilaterally called the most amount of drone strikes abroad and killed the most innocent civilians in the history of the United States presidency? I don't agree with that. You don't agree with that? I don't agree with that. And that's exactly what I just said. Is that people. But you just said he was the greatest president. Excuse me. No, no. Diversity of thought is killing innocent civilians. I hate to break it to you. What? How is that diversity of thought? I hate to break it to you, but Donald Trump also had an increase of drone strikes more than what was happening under Barack Obama. So you might want to go check your numbers, because if that's the mark of whether or not someone is a good president, your guy literally went and had more drone strikes. Guess what? I don't. And I bet you're still gonna go to Mar a Lago and beg for his support, aren't you? I didn't just sit here and say that Barack Obama is the greatest president, but Donald Trump, knowing that he killed more civilians. But Donald Trump had more drone strikes, but you still think he's a good president, right? I didn't say that I approved of drone strikes. I'm calling. So it's almost like if you disagree with something, you still support the politician overall. That's kind of how that works. I'm literally calling out drone strikes. Do you understand how your cognitive speech is working? You're trying to say that because I support Barack Obama and I disagree with drone strikes, and all of a sudden that that's some type of failure in my reasoning. While you literally support Donald Trump, who had more drone strikes, and you still support him. You literally came dressed like him today. You're wearing the pin, you're wearing the tie, you're wearing everything. You came just like it. Hold on. Hold on one second. Wait, wait. I just want to make a point here. He has a problem with somebody wearing the American flag. Pure Democrat. You hate America. You just made my point for me. Thank you so much that I said that you're dressed like Donald Trump. Can you at least shake my hand? Can you at least shake my hand that I said that you're dressed like Donald Trump? Oh, my God. Civility is done. You came dressed like another. What are you talking about? You have a problem with me the way I'M dressed. I'm wearing the American flag. I'm wearing American colors red, white, and blue. Because you just said you have a problem. You made my point for me, bro. I said that? Yeah. You. What I said was, was that you're trying to say that because of. I support Barack Obama. That that has to mean that I support everything that he did. You support Donald Trump. You're splitting hairs, bro. You literally. This is your argument. Your turn. You literally support a man that had more drum strikes. I specifically called out drum strikes. You think that means that I support any president doing it. Donald Trump. And you literally just. You're literally having to put words into my mouth so you can exonerate your of a point that I made because you can't respond to it. Your own argument. No. You called Barack Obama the greatest president that ever was. And I said, can I say that you endorse his drone strikes? I said he was a great president. Yes, you did. I said he was a great president. So you think killing civilians makes somebody a great president? So do you think Donald Trump was a great president? I think he's doing a pretty good job compared to. You think a pretty good president is someone who had more drone strikes than Barack Obama? I don't endorse drone strikes. No, I don't. So it's almost like that's a Washington. We're stuck in the same pool. We're going around. I feel like we're going around in circles. Let's just take it back for a second. Because it didn't work out for you. That's kind of how that went. Yeah. You can frame it however you want, but that's not actually what I don't think Libs of talking about like this one. I think the people at home can see a lot better that you hate America and that you really proved my point for me. You literally said that you have a problem with me wearing this shoe. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, we're going back in circles. I'm trying to move the conversation forward. It's got nothing to do. I could argue about this for my whole life, but I think the good people at home would rather see something different. Yeah, I'd pivot, too, if I were you. It's not working out well for you. Okay? You can say whatever you want to save your ego. Here's the thing, okay? Prove to me that you don't hate America. I gave you a bunch of data show one piece of policy from Democrats that's been good for the working class. You asked me to prove Whether or not I love America. I love America. No, no, no, no. That's not what I asked you. That's why. That is not what I asked you. You wanted me to prove. I asked for one piece of policy. My grandparents. My grandparents. One piece of policy. One of our entire lives. Look, the Democrat. The Democrat party. I love this Democrat Party. The Democrat party is one of the most dishonest, self serving parties in the history of this country. It's been like this forever. Okay, Ilhan Omar got into office. Okay, so defend Elon Omar. She got into office with negative net worth of $45,000. She's worth $6 million now. I'm not here to talk about. AOC just went on Stop the Oligarchy tours. Wait a second. $50,000 on luxury hotels and Bad Bunny concerts. How is that loving America? Wait a second. I just want to make sure that something's clear. Just explain that to me. No, no. Now you're trying to pin it. Now you're trying to pin. I just want to make sure this is right. You're trying to say that someone increasing their net worth in government per se is indicative of someone who doesn't care about America. Right. I think enriching yourself on the backs of Americans when you're there to serve is inherently. The son is corrupt and it is anti American. You think so? Yeah. How much has Donald Trump's net worth increased since he's been the president? I know that he spent for a fact over $600 million in wrongful lawsuits that were brought by Letitia James and all these crazy Democrats in the judicial. How much? How much what? How much has his net worth increased since he's been president in 2021? Well, you tell me. $3.3 billion. He also had to spend. He also had to spend 600 million. He also had to spend 600 million on these lawsuits that you guys. These lawsuits. Nobody bringing up has made more money off the president. He's been an independent businessman his entire life. He still owns golf courses. His son Eric made more than him. His son Eric still runs. So if your own logic is that making money in public office is indicative of someone who hates America, I would say the guy who's made more than anybody else in the history of America. This probably hates America. Right? Absolutely false equivalence. That's not how that works. This is an absolutely false equivalent. That didn't work out well for you. This is a false equivalence. Your campaign is going to be struggling after two years. Oh, yeah, I'm sure. I'm going to be fine. Okay. Do you have a problem with Congress people enriching themselves off of insider trading? I believe that we should ban insider trading 100%, and I support Jon Ossoff's. So are you going to call the people in your party? Here's a. What? Here's the situation. You just made an argument that making money in public office is something that is inherently indicative of someone who hates America. You're literally cheerleading and dressing like the man who's made more money off the presidency than anybody else in history. And you don't want to call that out. Partially because he wouldn't create a crypto coin, partially because he created. Partially because he created a crypto coin that is he literally used taxpayer dollars to go meet with people as a result of those things. The crypto coin that he created. What you're saying you don't want to talk about that? Do you begin with the crypto coin? These are all. Bro. Do we know? He was a business crypto coin. He was a businessman to begin with. Let me ask you this. Do we know who's investing in Trump's crypto coin? Lay it on me. Do we know? Well, lay it on me. Do we know for sure? Why are you bringing this up if you don't know? Because the point is, is that he is literally making money, billions of dollars, off of a crypto coin that he literally is pushing, that we have no transparency on whatsoever. If that's not shady, I don't know what is. You have him literally spending our taxpayer dollars to go meet with his crypto donors. And that doesn't sound like something that's inherently corrupt to you? Who are the investors? What's the meme coin? And literally one of the. All the information around it. And here's what's funny about literally, one of the people that he literally went and has done favors for in office are investors to his meme coin. It's so laughable to me that you guys can't even say, how about this? Why don't you name them specifically? How about this? Name one person. I don't know his name directly. Exactly. I don't know. Thank you. You don't know what the hell you're talking about, dude. You're just making shit up because I can't give you the name. You didn't even know. You didn't even know that Trump increased drone strikes. What are about you talking. You literally have done this this entire time. I'm not sitting here and talking about stuff that I don't know. You sit here, you cite all this stuff. You can't have a piece of data to back anything up. Thank God you're not in Congress, dude. You won't be either. So, congratulations, I guess we'll both be sitting right there together. You better not bet against me, bro. Okay? You better not bet against. Who are you running against? Who do you think I'm running against? I don't know. Who are you running against? Guess who I'm taking? Adam Schiff's old chief. Good luck with that. You know what? The last time I checked, Proposition 50 just passed and Gavin Newsom just drew all of your office. Oh, so he supports. He supports authoritarian gerrymandering, folks. You know what? He supports it. Wow. Here's why. There you go. Here's why. Hates America. Here's why. Here's why. Here's what it is. It was the Republican democracy. Here's why. You hate our Constitution. That's why you want to redraw the map so it benefits you. Here's what it is. The Republicans in Texas redrew the state of Texas to take five seats. And why did it happen again? And you thought Democrats were going to just sit around and do nothing? So what happened? We drew the Republicans straight out of office. How about. How about you just look at what happened? And by the way, your. Let me ask you this. No, no, no. You. Let me ask you this. Will you support Kevin? Absolutely false. Will you support Kevin? Kyle, talk over each other. You support Kevin? Will you support Kevin? Kylie's bill to ban partisan gerrymandering all across this country. Before we get to that, will you support Kevin, Kylie? Yes, I will support it. Then why did the Republicans in Congress don't. Why don't they. Well, let me. Let me ask you something. Simple question. Why did they not vote for the. Let me ask you a simple question. Why did they not. Let me ask you a simple bipartisan gerrymander. Are you going to. Let me ask you the question. You're going to filibuster? What do you want? Let me ask you a simple question. Okay. So do you know about Joe Biden versus Galveston, Texas? No. You don't know about that lawsuit? No. The lawsuit that triggered the gerrymandering in Texas that was brought on by Joe Biden. The gerrymandering. So Galveston, Texas tried to redraw the districts. They tried to draw minority coalition districts. They were sued for what? Congressional seats or what. They were redrawing those districts back when Joe Biden was president. Joe Biden. They were redrawing districts In Galveston, Texas. I don't know specifically. This is now. You don't know, bro. Talking about a lawsuit. You don't know. This is your state. You should know. You don't even know what I'm trying to explain to you, and you're trying to nitpick details. I'm explaining to you the decision and how we got to this point. You just said you don't know. I tricked you. How about that? Oh, great. Wow. So you're a liar. That's great. Wow. Truly the kind of politician we don't need in Washington. Paus, we're out of time. We're out of time. Thank you. Appreciate it. I think that he was definitely looking for a clip, but it didn't work out for him. The idea that Democrats hate America is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. And I think that ultimately what people saw was somebody that does not have any consistency in their argument. Folks that are more concerned with being on the next Libs of TikTok meme versus the people in this country that are paying more for everything. And I think that was abundantly clear. It's really unfortunate that he turned his passion for politics and for civic involvement into something that I would just call poisonous. I thought it was good. I thought he was entertaining. He had a good sense of humor about it. I don't think he addressed some of the points that we were trying to hit, but some of us didn't address some of his points. So that just kind of goes with the territory. He was very rehearsed. I feel like he would make a great politician, you know, very. Like, y' all got the facial expressions. What grade would you give Trump right now in his first year and second term? Oh, Lord, this is gonna be published. I would give him a C plus, B minus, C plus. I may be a little harsh with this, but I'd say like a C plus, maybe a low B. A B minus. I. I would give Trump a C right now. I'd give that an A. The main reason why I voted for him and the reason I think it's such a big success was the one big, beautiful bill. I wish he would do more to bring people across the aisle. I think we should put Americans first, right? I don't like giving $40 billion to Argentina. I think that that's money going abroad that could be here helping our people. Anti war was such a strong reason for me to support him. And then I feel like he's been influenced with some neocons to, you know, get involved in more conflicts abroad than we should be. 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