Lila Rose (52:58)
Were to say, yep, thank you as well. Appreciate it. So, first, I'm a mother. Awesome. Congrats. And I know you're a mother, too. Yes. And I think that as mothers, having our bodily autonomy, the right to control our own body and make our own decisions, especially when it comes to pregnancy, is paramount. And I think that calling an unborn child an embryo or fetus an unborn child as mothers is disingenuous, and it is disempowering for us. I don't know how a child would fit in my uterus. It doesn't even really make sense. So when we're talking about an unborn child, I think we should say in this space, like, out of respect for everyone, it's a fetus. It's an embryo. Do you know the meaning of the word fetus? Yes. What is it? It's a baby. An upward baby? Yes. I'm not here to argue anything scientific with you. I'm here to talk about bodily autonomy. Well, the science does matter. The bodily autonomy is what I'm here to talk to you about. Well, I think both matter. Right. So the science tells us. You just had a guest who argued science with you. I am not a scientist. I'm a mother. I am, too. But I'm saying the science, I think, does matter. Okay. I'm so glad it matters to you. Everyone here has a different reason why abortion rights matter to them. And. And as me, a mother, and as Someone who in a red state, when they were trying to pass a six week heartbeat abortion ban, I went into the ER and I was questioned about what I had done to cause a possible miscarriage. Because at that time the state legislature was working to ban abortion at six weeks and I was 11 weeks and I was turned away. I was questioned about what I had done. I want, wanted that pregnancy. I want another pregnancy. I have a child. I want to stay alive for my child. So my bodily autonomy is the paramount, is the most important thing. And to say women's bodily autonomy should be sacrificed for a hypothetical baby. A hypothetical child. Because a pregnancy that is not a child, it's a baby, it's a fetus and it's an embryo. So I'd love to respond to what you're saying, first of all. Well, first, before you respond, I just want to hear one argument because I have never heard anyone from your organization make an argument of why the government or you or anyone knows better for my body than me. So I'd love to respond if I how you know better about my body than me. So I don't know your body personally. You're right. You don't know anyone's body but your own body. But what I shouldn't be making this. If you would let me respond, I'd love to respond to what you're saying. So your argument is that bodily autonomy, your bodily autonomy is more important than the unborn child's right? No. They're equal. No. Okay, didn't listen. So you. Do you have the right to kill your unborn child? My bodily. Do you have the right to kill your unborn child? I have a right to use my body and my organs. However, I. To kill your unborn child. No one has the right to use my body or organs without my consent. So does that mean my son, how is it killing him? My 5 year old abortion is killing that child needs a kidney or he will die. If I don't give my. Is that killing him? Is that killing? If I don't give him my. If I can respond, we can't have a conversation. If I can't respond, respond. An abortion is the intentional killing of that child. So that is your definition. It's a medical procedure. It's a healthcare medical procedure. You would let me respond. So an abortion involves either poisoning the baby to death via an abortion pill, it involves suctioning the baby to death. In a first trimester abortion, it can involve live dismemberment of that baby. In a second trimester abortion or in a third trimester, abortion involves a lethal injection. In all of those cases, bodily autonomy. In all of those cases, it's absolutely bodily autonomy. Explain what? Whitney, I'm so sorry. You voted out by the majority. Please return to your speaker. Thank you, Whitney. Okay, so I just want to get some clarification on your definitions here. Yes. How do you define a child? What is a child? Okay, great question and great thing to do. First of all, an unborn child is a member of the human species that is not born yet. Okay, so that would include a child in the womb, or it could include a child that's in an ivf. What are characteristics that are distinct that create the definition of a human? How do you define a human? A human is a member of a human species. So that's a mimic. Under the law of biogenesis. A human would be the offspring of parents in the same species. Okay, so what is the distinction between a human and a living, other living organization? Genetically, we might be pretty similar in some ways, but there's some key differences. What is the key difference? The human genetic code is substantially different than any other. Could you say maybe level of awareness is something that distincts us from just, let's say, bacteria or plants or other life forms? I see. Yes. We have the ability for reason, to have a conscious experience. Yeah. Ultimately, human beings have a natural capacity to be able to reason and to be able to choose and love and do things that, you know, animals might have some. So you would say that's a determination of a human being. That's what determines a human being having awareness and a conscious experience. Well, I mean, you know, animals have consciousness. We have the ability to reason. Ultimately, human beings have a natural capacity. This is what. That doesn't mean distinct from living, other living organisms, but just to be like plants or anything. But just to be clear, human beings have the natural capacity for reason, but they don't all have the active capacity. So a newborn baby doesn't have an active capacity for language, for reasoning, for making arguments that a maybe adult would. And similarly, we all know that an unborn baby is a human. Even though are the blueprints the same as a building? Like, are the blueprints the same as a building? No. Okay, so if you go up to. And you see the structural integrity of something that a building's. There's all these pieces that their habits set aside. Someone goes and they vandalize that. Would they say, oh, you vandalized. I hear what you're saying, but the analogy doesn't fit because how does it fit? Because an unborn baby is not a blueprint, okay? It's not the genome, all the. The genetic. Your DNA is a blueprint. But the unborn baby is also made of cells which are, like you said, the building blocks. But it's not human. Because you even said yourself that awareness and consciousness is what defines what if there happens in the third trimester and we see that actually 90% of abortions occur according to the Gut Macro Institute. Are you saying the unfortunate trimester. Pause, pause.
