If You Take Social Security at 62, What Will You Do at 92?

Summary

Episode Summary:

Suze Orman’s Women & Money (And Everyone Smart Enough To Listen)
Episode Title: If You Take Social Security at 62, What Will You Do at 92?
Air Date: December 4, 2025

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Main Theme

This episode focuses on the critical decisions around Social Security timing, especially the pitfalls of claiming benefits too early, and offers practical advice on retirement planning, estate documents, and strategies to ensure financial security deep into retirement. Throughout the conversation, Suze Orman answers real listener questions, debunks common (and sometimes misguided) financial advice, and emphasizes the power of mindset in achieving long-term financial well-being.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Social Security Timing: Why Waiting Matters

• Listener Vicki’s Story: Vicki wrote in to thank Suze for encouraging her to wait until age 70 to claim Social Security, which boosted her benefit by over 30%. She tried to persuade colleagues, many of whom ignored her and claimed at 62.
• Suze’s Strong Warning: Taking Social Security at 62 is, in most cases, a "biggest mistake"—leaving people with insufficient income later, especially for those living into their 90s. (03:51)
  • "How many emails do I get saying why did I take it at 62? I’m now 92. I never thought I would live this long. It doesn’t cover anything. Biggest mistake, Susie." (03:51 - Suze)
  • Live longer = need more money. At minimum, wait until full retirement age (currently 67) if possible.

2. Estate Planning: Wills, Trusts, and “Must Have” Documents

• Patricia’s Question: Daughter helping organize her 92-year-old mother’s estate: Should she use Suze’s “Must Have” documents or hire an attorney for a trust/will?
• Suze’s Guidance:
  • Must Have Documents can be filled out once and auto-populate all necessary forms: will, living trust, power of attorney, advance directive. (05:47)
  • Check if a co-op property can be put in a trust—some don't allow it (especially for stock certificates).
  • Probate is costly and avoidable with a trust (but not always possible with certain assets).
  • Underlying issue: Mom is withdrawing $1,000/month from a $20,000 account; the money will run out in ~18 months. Estate planning is important, but cash flow planning and sustainability are critical. (07:57)

3. Paying Off Home vs. Annuities & Insurance

• Sandra’s Dilemma: Advisor recommended moving Schwab accounts into annuities and life insurance IRA policies for tax reasons, but they’re 69.5 with a large mortgage and pension soon.
• Suze’s Emphatic Response:
  • Strongly opposes the annuity/life insurance move for someone approaching or at retirement.
  • "If you could, I would take that money and pay off the mortgage on my home... Your largest monthly expense goes away. You own your home outright." (12:05)
  • Does NOT trust advisors pushing annuities in these circumstances—often the motivation is commissions. Always ask, “How much commission are you making from this recommendation?” (13:24)
  • Owning your home outright = unmatched sense of financial security.

4. Roth Conversions: Strategy & Rules

• Amy: Has a 401(k) from a previous employer, wants to know about converting to Roth.
  • Move small amounts gradually into a Roth IRA, not just a Roth 401(k), for flexibility and broader investment choices.
  • Five-Year Clock: Roth IRAs have a five-year rule for tax-free withdrawals on earnings; doing conversions sooner means this clock starts sooner. (14:45)
• On Withholding Taxes During Roth Conversion:
  • Do not have taxes withheld at conversion—convert the full amount, and pay the taxes separately to avoid penalties and maximize tax-free growth. (21:07)
  • "You absolutely never want to withhold taxes when you are converting. You want it all to convert custodian to custodian. Just that simple." (22:14)

5. Mindset & Belief: The Real Foundation for Financial Change

• Bhavani’s Situation: Widowed, 63, worried about retiring on her own with little savings.
• Suze’s Powerful Message:
  • "This isn’t a financial question, even though you may think it is. This is a question about you feeling at the age of 63 that there’s no way you can ever retire. And as long as you continue to think that way, that will be true. Your words and your thoughts are more powerful than you have any idea." (18:01)
  • Encourages envisioning success, looking for new opportunities (e.g., care work for elderly city residents), and not programming oneself to fail.

6. 457 Plans: Hidden Power for Young Workers

• Andrew’s Question: Young state worker, maxing Roth IRA, considering whether to use his employer’s 457 plan or invest in a brokerage account.
• Suze’s Enthusiastic Advice:
  • 457 plans are special: no 10% early withdrawal penalty if you part ways with your employer at any age, unlike 401(k)s and IRAs.
  • Maximizing a 457 plan = compounding pre-tax dollars and investment returns, ideal for high earners like Andrew ($100k/yr).
  • "Believe it or not, a 457 is one of the most powerful retirement plans out there." (23:25)

7. Low-Cost Index Investing: SPLG, S&P 500 ETFs & Expense Ratios

• Correction for Listeners: Suze explains a previous mix-up about the SPLG ETF (now SPYM), which briefly had a higher expense ratio than VOO, but is now the lowest again.
• Lesson: Always monitor investing fees, and be aware that product details can change. (26:21)

8. Roth IRA Conversion: Do You Need a Separate Account?

• You can convert traditional and SEP IRAs into your existing Roth IRA; no need to open a separate account, but each conversion starts its own five-year clock for penalty-free withdrawals. (28:53)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Social Security timing:
  "The biggest mistake in most cases in my opinion when it comes to Social Security is if you take it at 62." (03:51 – Suze)

• On paying off your home:
  "Nothing will make you feel more secure than owning your own home outright." (12:01 – Suze)

• On annuities:
  "If you are in that situation, you must ask your financial advisor, if I get an annuity, how much commission are you going to make?" (13:24 – Suze)

• Mindset advice:
  "If you think you can't, you never ever will. You have to say, I will. You have to say, I can. You have to say I want to. You have to see it, you have to envision it and you have to go, go for it." (18:01 – Suze)

• On Roth conversions and withholding:
  "You absolutely never want to withhold taxes when you are converting. You want it all to convert custodian to custodian. Just that simple." (22:14 – Suze)

• Listener appreciation moment:
  "Do you have any idea how many emails I got saying how much they loved how vulnerable you are?" (29:51 – Suze to KT)

• Parting wisdom:
  "People first, then money, then things—and you stay safe." (30:19 – KT)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:07 – Listener Vicki's story on waiting for Social Security
• 04:42 – Estate planning for elderly parents
• 07:57 – "Must Have" documents explained
• 10:13 – Sandra’s annuity & mortgage question
• 14:19 – 401(k) rollover and Roth conversion strategy
• 18:01 – Mindset discussion for those worried about retirement
• 21:07 – Roth conversion tax withholding guidance
• 23:22 – 457 plans explained for young/early career state workers
• 26:21 – ETF expense ratio update
• 28:53 – Roth IRA conversion logistics

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Episode Tone & Style

Suze and KT maintain their usual friendly, bantering dynamic, peppered with direct advice, tough love, and reassurance. The episode is full of real listener stories and questions, with Suze providing not just practical steps but encouragement and empowerment, especially for women and those feeling anxious about late-life financial security.

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In Summary

If you listen to no other advice this week, Suze urges:

• Don’t take Social Security at 62 unless you absolutely must—waiting pays off in your later years.
• Watch out for financial products (especially annuities & life insurance) that benefit the advisor more than you.
• Make estate planning easy, affordable, and complete—don’t just do what’s convenient.
• Use Roths and 457 plans wisely, and start your five-year clocks ASAP for tax-free growth.
• Above all: Belief in your own ability to improve your finances is where real change begins.

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Signature Closing:
"People first, then money, then things—and you stay safe."

Transcript

[A]

Susie, is it really true?

[B]

Is what really true?

[A]

The alliance certificates.

[B]

Oh, you mean the rate that they're offering?

[A]

It's unbelievable.

[B]

Yes, it's true. And all of you need to take advantage of it. Currently, if you go to myalliant.com you can get a one year certificate for 4.10%. That's a lot higher than a one year treasury, especially if you live in a low state tax bracket. For $75,000 or more, it is 4.15 APR. So if you leave all the money in there, that's what you get. So if you have money at a bank, at a brokerage firm, anywhere that you want a great rate, I have to tell you, go to myalliant.com now before it disappears.

[A]

I'm going, Suzy.

[B]

I bet you are. KT.

December 4, 2025. Welcome, everybody, to the Women and Money podcast. And everybody's smart enough to listen, right, Katie?

[A]

Yes, ma'. Am.

[B]

People write me and they say they love when I call you Ms. Travis. Ms. Travis.

[A]

She calls me that when she's either mad or about to correct me. So she.

[B]

Ms. Travis.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You know what tomorrow is?

[A]

Tomorrow is Susie's half birthday. I don't know if all of you celebrate a half birthday. I never did. I don't even know what mine is. But Susie loves December 5th. Tomorrow, her half birthday. How are you going to celebrate her?

[B]

I'll be 74 and a half tomorrow. Tomorrow I'll celebrate it like I do every year. My friend from grammar school, Leslie Lynn's full birthday is on December 5th. So I write Leslie and I say happy birthday. She writes me and says, happy half birthday. And then we are complete. All right, all right.

[A]

I can't wait to hear from her, too. I love that woman.

[B]

Don't you, though? Yeah, she's one of Susie's.

[A]

And you've been. You've known each other since how old?

[B]

Oh, early in grammar school. Early. Like, like forever.

[A]

Forever. Forever, friend. Okay, I'm starting with a thank you and this is post Thanksgiving, but it's a thank you.

[B]

Wait a minute, I'm not done.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

So you know, we didn't do a podcast on Sunday and all, but however, how is your Thanksgiving?

[A]

Delicious. Susie and Colo yet once again made the best turkey, stuffing or dressing, as many of you call it, we ever had. But this year we had Thanksgiving with my sister Lynn at Lynn's house and lots of people and kids and.

[B]

And bottom line, fabulous, fabulous, fabulous, fun and all. And now we are back on the island. All Right, KT okay.

[A]

This is a post Thanksgiving. Thank you. This is from Vicki. She said, susie, I, I waited until I was 70 to take my Social Security and received an extra 30.7% which was added to my 100%. The wait felt like forever, but I did it and I am extremely happy. I tried to talk my friends at work into this about Social Security and they thought different than me. They did not want to wait and, and most of my co workers took theirs at age 62.

[B]

Such a mistake.

[A]

I know. And she said, susie, thank you so much from Vicki. No questions here. She just wants to thank you.

[B]

Well, she wants.

[A]

She listened to you.

[B]

Yeah, she wants to thank me. However, I have a feeling Vicki also wants me to say to everybody, since her co workers didn't listen to her, the biggest mistake in most cases in my opinion when it comes to Social Security is if you take it at 62. How many emails do I get saying why did I take it at 62? I'm now 92. I never thought I would live this long. It doesn't cover anything. I'm just biggest mistake, Susie. So we're all living longer. We all will need more and more money because things get more and more expensive. If you're going to take Social Security at minimum, wait till your full retirement age. Currently for Most of you, 67. All right, K.T.

[A]

All right. This is from Patricia. She said my 92 year old organized mom invited me to go over and look through her documents, financial accounts, passwords and the works. She said her documents include a will, healthcare proxy, power of attorney and living will. And then she said I bought the must have documents thinking we could update her will as it's dated 1996. And my last name has also changed since then. I see that I must create a trust. My mom only has $20,000 in a high yield savings account which she added my name to. She owns a co op worth 250,000 and a car worth 18,000. So she pulls at least 1,000 out of her savings each month. Should I hire an attorney to create her will or does it make sense to create a trust? So Susie, tell Patricia what she really needs to do.

[B]

So here's the thing. First, let me clear up everything about the must have docs. It used to be when the must have docs first came out over 25 years ago, you first had to create a will. Then you had to create a trust. Then you had to create the durable power of attorney for health care. You had to do each one individually. But you then had to do what? Re enter the information to each and every one of them. So as time went on, people were also just doing the will. They weren't doing the trust. They were doing what they wanted, but not necessarily what they needed. So in the end, the must have documents. Once you fill in the information, it automatically populates all of the must have documents for you. So you don't have to do one after the other after the other. Now, Patricia, just fill it out. No big deal. You don't want to do a living revocable trust, fine, do. But there is where you'll have your will. It will create one for you. So you don't need to hire, in my opinion, an attorney to do so. However, I just want to make you aware of that Mama has a co op. Now listen, not all co ops allow their stock certificates because when you own a co op, you have a stock certificate to be transferred into the name of a trust. So Mama might not even be able to do it. You need to find that out. However, if Mama dies, that co op is going to go into probate and you are going to have to file filing fees. Could be 200 to $1,000. Probate fees. Could be $3,000, $10,000, whatever it may be. So there will be costs involved there. You just need to be aware of the downside if Mama dies without irrevocable trust. Just that simple. However, kt, I wrote Patricia, great, great, great. And I told her all this because what I said to her was, the problem isn't about should you have a trust, not have a trust, a will. The problem is the money. She has $20,000 in an account. She's pulling out 1,000amonth to meet her expenses. That means in another year and a half or so, it's gone. Then what? Just something to think about.

[A]

All right, all right.

[B]

And by the way, for those of you you just heard me. I answered somebody directly. I've answered so many of you directly, it's not even funny. You can always write in your question to asksusypodcastmail.com that's S U Z E and ask a question. Keep it short, because if they're long, we're just gonna skip over them truthfully. Although once in a while, I assume.

[A]

Not only that, can you please tell everyone listening if they need the must have documents, where to get them?

[B]

Oh, I forgot about that. So, yes, for those of you who want the must have documents, and you should all want them because you need them, a will, a living, revocable trust advance directive, durable power of attorney for healthcare and financial power of attorney. $2,500 worth of state of the art documents. Currently $99 good in all 50 states. Just go to musthavedocs.com can get them there. And of course, when you get them there, once you have them, you can share them with every one of your family members. You give them the activation code, they create it for themselves. So it's like a $2,500 gift to every single person you give it to.

[A]

All right, yeah, great. Year end gift. So Sandra wrote and she said, susie, I'm retired, age 69 and a half. She's a half birthday girl, too. She said, I have a Charles Schwab account in the amount of $107,000. And my husband, husband has the same in his own name, Susie. We were advised to put it into individual annuities and the remainder into individual life insurance IRA policies with the goal to transfer taxable money over five years into non taxable income for a later date. I mean, they're 69 and a half. Right?

[B]

It's just stupid, but go on.

[A]

All right, so we have a home valued at $650,000 with a $230,000 mort. My husband will retire in April and will receive a healthy pension. What would be your advice in regards to the annuities and life insurance policies? Wait, look at her face.

[B]

Well, because I answered this with one simple thing. That emoji with a thumbs down. That's how I answered. Sandra. Sandra, listen to me. Let's say you were lucky enough to come to me directly.

[A]

You should see her face. Everybody. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

[B]

We should be youtubing this.

[A]

I know.

[B]

I wish you could see, like, I'm up on my. My arms are up.

[A]

It has a face. It's like, so ready to, like, blast. All right, go ahead.

[B]

But I'm like holding myself up right on the arms of my chair, leaning into the mic with both hands, like, ready to choke. So let's just say you were lucky enough to be sitting across the desk from me, and you told me that here you are, 69 and a half. I imagine that your husband is pretty near that age as well somewhere, and that you have a home worth $650,000, but you still have a $238,000 mortgage and you had $214,000among you. I don't know if it's in an IRA. I'm not exactly sure where it is. And you said, what should we do, Susie? And you have A pension. You have your Vine. I would look at everything. I'd go, I'll tell you what I would do if I were you. If you could, that money's in a money market fund. For instance.

I would take that money and pay off the mortgage on my home. Because why would I do that? Your mortgage goes away. Therefore, your largest monthly expense goes away. You own your home outright. You have nothing to worry about at that moment in time. Nothing will make you feel more secure than owning your own home outright. But no, this advisor wants you to put it in an annuity and possibly a life insurance policy just so in five years he can do it again or she can do it again and get another commission so you can have non taxable income. Are you crazy? Are you crazy? I would actually, if I had an advisor that advised me to do that. At this point in your life, I would switch my account to another advisor. So that's number one. Number two, I want you to seriously think about what I said to you. How would it make you feel if you owned your home outright? Now, again, I don't know where this money is. I don't know if there's capital gains tax involved. You have to check all of that, obviously with an accountant and everything like that. But I would make it your number one goal more than anything else to pay off your mortgage as soon as you can. Go on kt.

[A]

Okay, next question.

[B]

Wait, I have a question. No, I'm very serious. Why are we getting hundreds of emails from people who have accounts? I'm very serious at Fidelity and Charles Schwab. And the number one piece of advice they are all being given is to get an annuity. Get an annuity. Get an annuity for all of you. If you are in that situation, you must ask your financial advisor, if I get an annuity, how much commission are you going to make? You really have to understand how annuities work, everybody. I just don't get it. There are so many better things that you could probably be doing with your money. Sometimes it makes sense, but most of the times it does not. Especially if it's money in a retirement account. Are you kidding me? Go on.

[A]

My next question is from Amy. She said, I switched jobs back in 2018 and never moved my 401 from my previous employer since it was doing so well. I also have a Roth 401 with my current employer. I like the idea of not paying taxes on my 401 in retirement. Would you recommend converting to a Roth now?

[B]

So I imagine, Amy, you're Asking me, do I recommend you converting to the Roth 401 at your new employers rather than just a Roth? And here's two things I want you to understand. You would be far better off right now converting little by little to a Roth IRA rather than the Roth 401k at your new employers. Number one, there are more investment options in a Roth IRA than a Roth 401k. A Roth 401, when you absolutely retire from there and then take it and do a rollover To a Roth IRA, the time clock of the Roth 401K does not come with you. You start the time clock all over again. Remember that five year rule. If you were to convert right now to a Roth ira, the time clock starts now. So later on, when you have your Roth 401 that you are continuing to contribute to, and then you transfer that to a Roth ira, you already met the five year rule, most likely at that time. So that's what you should be doing now the way you would be doing it. Do a little bit this year. It's almost at the end of the year. A little next year, consult with your CPA or tax accountant as to how much you can convert every year so that you don't go into a higher income tax bracket. All right, kt.

[A]

Okay, Susie, this next question is, are you having fun?

[B]

Yeah, y' all look like it.

[A]

Well, because some of these questions are baffling me, especially this one. This is from.

[B]

Let me just see. Is this about a Roth?

[A]

No, no, no, no. I like Roth now, everybody. I changed.

[B]

We ever get a dog, you know what I'm gonna call it?

[A]

Roth.

[B]

Roth.

[A]

But you all like my Roth smoothies.

[B]

They did, didn't they? My frothy Rothy, which, by the way, she has in front of her.

[A]

Yeah, I'm drinking it right now. Frothy Rothy.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Yep. I made. Oh, look, you noticed. Okay. Wait a minute. They're green.

[B]

Wait a minute.

[A]

They're also the color, as Cola would say.

[B]

Wait a minute. Does that mean you think I don't notice things?

[A]

Well, I didn't. I didn't know if you noticed that one.

[B]

How could I miss it?

[A]

Usually I shouldn't have any drinks on the recording table with the equipment. Okay, ready? This is from Bhavani. This is baffling me.

[B]

I love that name.

[A]

I do, too. But she said, my husband passed away four years ago. I downsized. Ready for this? This is why I'm confused. I downsized by selling our home in the country and buying a smaller one in the City?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I have about $30,000 in savings from the sale and I have been slowly using it. What can I or should I do to make the money last? I'm almost 63. I don't see how I can ever retire since I am a one income household now. You know, I'm looking at you confused. It seems like if you move from the country into the city, your expenses are going to be higher in a city environment.

[B]

But maybe she's got better in it that we don't know. What I don't know Bhavani is. Does that mean you bought and you say that you are buying a smaller one in the city. Does that mean that you have a mortgage on it or do you own it outright from the proceeds of the house that you had in the country? I don't know that. So this isn't a financial question, even though you may think it is. This is a question about you feeling at the age of 63 that there's no way you can ever retire. And as long as you continue to think that way, that will be true. You have to remember that your words and your thoughts are more powerful than you have any idea. That if you think you can't, you never ever will. You have to say, I will. You have to say, I can. You have to say I want to. You have to see it, you have to envision it and you have to go, go for it. Just that simple. There's always something you can do. There's a lot of elderly people, seriously, in a city that need help, that can't take care of themselves anymore, that need help with somebody taking care of them. You'd be amazed at how many things you can do, but you have to think it, you have to say it, and then you have to do it. All right?

[A]

Hi, Susie and kt. I know you have given us a ton of information on Roths, but I'm hoping you can answer one more question, please.

[B]

Pop Quizzy. Pop Quizzy. Wait, I don't even know it, but.

[A]

Pop quizzy, I have a tax deferred account from a previous employer and I want to gradually move the money into my existing Roth. Do you recommend having taxes withheld or when you make a conversion or waiting until you file taxes to pay?

[B]

Pop quizzy. Pop quizzy.

[A]

Well.

Okay, hold on. Everybody, hold on.

[B]

You have no idea. Everybody.

[A]

Do you recommend having taxes withheld when you make a conversion?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Or wait until you file taxes to pay?

[B]

Remember now, let me be clear for you, kt.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You're taking money out of a pre tax account.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They are going to ask because taxes are going to be owed on that money.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Do you want them to withhold the taxes? There's a 20% withholding tax normally. Do you want them to withhold it or do you not and wait until next year to pay taxes on it?

[A]

I would probably wait so you can earn more interest on that money.

[B]

You sure?

[A]

No. Come on, come on.

[B]

I'm not sure, but this is like a multiple choice question. First answer is usually correct. You want to keep it?

[A]

Yeah, keep it.

[B]

Ding, ding, ding, ding.

[A]

Right. Wouldn't you want to wait?

[B]

So everybody, here's what you need to be careful of here. I don't know exactly, Karen, how old you are, but if in fact you had them withhold taxes for you, let's say you have $10,000 in there. Let's say that's true. And now you want to convert to a Roth and they're asking you on a piece of paper you're going to have to fill out, should you withhold taxes and you say yes, they will withhold 20% or $2,000. In this case, 20% KT of $10,000 is $2,000. Now you will have $8,000 that you are converting. However, you have $2,000 that needed to be converted or you're going to owe ordinary income taxes on it that year. Okay? But if you're not 59 and a half years of age at the time you're doing this, then you're going to owe a 10% penalty on that money. So you absolutely never want to withhold taxes when you are converting. You want it all to convert custodian to custodian. Just that simple.

[A]

Okay, that's what I thought.

[B]

I think I answered her too. I'm not sure.

[A]

Hi, KT and Susie. This is from Andrew. I'm starting a new job with the Florida Department of Transportation. I have a question about the deferred compensation a 457 plan the state requires.

[B]

You know what that is?

[A]

No. No, you have to tell us.

[B]

All right, great.

[A]

The State requires a 3% pension contribution from my salary and offers a traditional 457B, no Roth option.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Susie, would it be better for long term growth and tax efficiency to invest in a taxable brokerage account instead of the traditional 457B? And then he's 27 years old. Ready for this? I max out my Roth ira, I have an emergency fund and will earn a little over $100,000 this year.

[B]

All right, what's his Name?

[A]

Andrew.

[B]

Andrew. Listen to me, boyfriend. Unlike other retirement plans and everybody, a 457 is just a deferred compensation plan that many companies, corporations and so forth offer. Think of the words deferred compensation. They are deferring the compensation that they pay you. You get to choose how much up to the maximum limit, but you get to choose what that amount is. It goes into this account. And when it goes into this account, you don't pay taxes on it because it's not part of your taxable compensation. But here's how it differs everybody from a 401k or a 403, which is this. A 457 has no 10% penalties on withdrawals. If you leave your job and no matter how old you are, you leave at 35, you can withdraw the money penalty free. 4550. No penalties, number one. And when you do withdraw, you simply pay ordinary income tax on it. So it has the flexibility that you want to be able to get at that money. So believe it or not, a 457 is one of the most powerful retirement plans out there. Want to know why?

[A]

No penalty?

[B]

No. Because he says here that he makes $100,000 a year. Da da da. So he's in about the 24% income tax bracket. He's putting that money in whatever he's putting in, not paying 24% on it. So that's like he is making 24% on that money a year. He's compounding it. Dividends, everything he's investing in. If he put it in a regular investment account, he would have had to pay 24% tax on it. His dividends, his earnings, everything would be taxable. No, Andrew, go 4:57 all the way. Next KT.

[A]

That's great, Susie. Next is another man, Tristan. He said he's a millennial man, smart enough to listen to your podcast every weekend.

[B]

Yes, Tristan said.

[A]

Susie, I'm a fan of spym over vu and definitely over spy S P Y. I just want to point this out to you so you could advise your listeners. Thank you and KT for all you do inspiring the younger generation like us to be BR in this world of finance. Every night I fire up your podcast while I'm having dinner. As if I have you and KT sitting at my table exchanging friendly banters and lifelong wisdoms. Just like my own aunties. Yeah, that's sweet, kt.

[B]

The reason Tristan's writing that, seriously. And I wrote him back a little bit. Is that on one of the podcasts? Not so Long ago, I had recommended to all of you an ETF with the symbol SPLG, which is a 500 index ETF. And I did that because the expense ratio was at 0.02%, which was better than Voo. Then they changed it to be the symbol S, P, Y, M. And when they changed that, I got hundreds of emails saying, Susie ran, what is this? I can't get information on it. What's going on? I looked it up and the expense ratio is 0.09%. What should I do? I looked it up immediately because I was in it as well. And when they first posted it, they posted it at a.09% expense ratio. And therefore I recommended to all of you get out of it and go to Voo, which is at a.03% expense ratio. However, right after that, right around there, it changed. I never bothered to look again, and they corrected it to be back at 0.02% expense ratio, which is actually better than Voo, which again is at 0.03%. So Tristan wanted me to make sure that all of you knew that. And so my utmost apologies to everybody. We did cut that part from the podcast right afterwards as soon as I found it out. So that's the scoop. What to do? And that's how that happened. All right, thanks, Tristan.

[A]

Thank you, Tristan. We will be your aunties anytime.

[B]

All right.

[A]

All right. Okay, so, Susie, final question. You ready?

[B]

No.

[A]

It starts with, I have two short questions, hopefully, but I'm only going to read one. My wife and I both started a contributory Roth mid-2025. We plan on contributing the maximum going forward. We want to convert our rollover IRAs and SEP IRA to Roths over the next few years. Do we need to open a separate Roth IRA for the conversion, or can we convert into the current Roth ira?

[B]

Pop quizzy.

[A]

Again, do we need to open a separate Roth IRA for the conversion or can we convert into the current? I think you can convert into the current. You did.

[B]

You're doing so good.

[A]

I'm telling you, I'm reading up on Roth. Is that correct?

[B]

That's correct. And you just handed me this. And he says on here, five year clock starts on all Roths. 1, 125. That's true. But conversion funds have separate five year clocks for each conversion. Is that true or false, kt?

[A]

Oh, I don't know.

[B]

Oh, yes, you do.

[A]

I think yes.

[B]

You sound so convincing. Can you imagine going to a financial advisor, listen to this, everybody, and go, do Roth conversions. Have their own separate conversion and time clock. And they go. I think, yes. Try it like you know it like you're the.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

That's my girl. And she's absolutely correct. Right, Katie, before we end, I just have to ask you something. Do you have any idea how many emails I got saying how much they loved how vulnerable you are?

[A]

Oh, I cried.

[B]

They love that. They love your sweetness. They love your vulnerability. They love your honesty. Fabulous.

[A]

But I feel great today. So ready for this. All you have to do is remember this, people first, then money, then things. And you stay safe.

[B]

See you soon, everybody. Bye. Bye.

[C]

We are strong, we are wise we will not apologize we are here we will thrive Together we will rise we're the little benef.

And everything it takes we are strong, we are wise Together we will rise.

[B]

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[D]

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