Alice Carruth (6:16)

Alice thanks Maria. We have three additional links included in today's original sources. One is on Slingshot Aerospace's new Canada Hub, another is on the Space Force's new missile warning architecture, and the third is on a Coalition's joint letter to Congress opposing the budget cuts to NASA's.

Maria Varmazes (6:32)

Science Mission Directorate and those links can also be found on our website space.n2k.com just click on today's episode titled Hey T Minus Crew. If your business is looking to grow your voice in the industry, expand the reach of your thought leadership or recruit talent, P minus can help. We'd like to hear from you. Just send us an email@space2k.com or send us a note through our website so we can connect about building a program to meet your goals.

Joshua Broome (7:13)

Foreign.

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Maria Varmazes (8:06)

Our guest today is Joshua Broome, the head of space at the UK Department for Business and Trade. And I started off by asking Josh to tell us more about his role.

Joshua Broome (8:18)

I'm Josh Broome. I'm the head of Space in the UK's Department for Business and Trade. So I'm the global head of space. I set the UK government's export and investment strategy for the space sector. And then we have fantastic people and colleagues in our embassies and our consulates around the world that then implement that on the ground. I'm responsible for industrial policy. So that means working directly with UK space companies on what changes to the business environment regulation do they want to see, providing them with business support, business advice on how to grow their companies and feeding that into the whole of the UK government. So we work really closely with UK Space Agency, the Department for Science, Innovation and Technology, UK Space Command. We collaborate and work with all those departments. So, yeah, the business of space is very expansive. So I docked into all those counterparts and all those colleagues extensively.

Interviewer (9:14)

Thank you so much for joining me today. I appreciate it. Tell me a bit about your major priorities right now.

Joshua Broome (9:20)

So, for business and trade, we have a number of priority markets where we see huge growth potential for the UK space sector and strong potential for international collaboration, particularly on defence and national security. So of those priority markets, the US is one of them. That's why we're here at Space Symposium. The level of interest in the UK and the UK space sector continues to grow. We are the largest space sector in Europe. Not many people kind of recognize that. We're also a bit too British about promoting that.

Interviewer (9:50)

Don't want to brag too much, right?

Joshua Broome (9:52)

Exactly. We don't quite go around saying it enough. So we're trying to fix that.

Interviewer (9:56)

Second largest exporter of satellites in the world after California. I knew that one off the top of my head. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah.

Joshua Broome (10:02)

So you're doing a better job than we are of promoting the British space sector. So, no, that's what we're trying to do here. We've got a number of UK companies that are here, so not just to engage with our US counterparts and our colleagues and our friends and allies, but also we're literally next to The German Space Agency, we work very closely with the Germans, the Canadians as well. The us, Canada, Germany, France, Japan, Korea, they're all here. Space Symposium has that international reach that some international conferences just don't have. And so this is a really strong opportunity for us to engage with a lot of foreign companies and foreign governments to bring down those barriers to trade and investment, to collaboration. What can we do to unlock interest in each other's sectors? Where can our space agency collaborate with other space agencies, including NASA, and ultimately support American companies, other companies in working in the uk? So it's not just about promoting the UK outwards, it's also bringing it in. Yeah, Promoting other companies to come in and work and help us build out our space sector. Because there's some fantastic technology and capability that exists out there in the world.

Maria Varmazes (11:10)

Yeah.

Interviewer (11:10)

Tell me a bit about when you're talking about breaking down those barriers. What are things that maybe other nations can be doing to maybe more easily collaborate with the UK or maybe vice versa? You know, things that I guess just to break down those barriers a little bit.

Joshua Broome (11:27)

So we do a lot of that at government to government level. So Department for Business and Trade, we're sort of a mixture of the Commerce Department and the State Department. So they have responsibilities that we have. And so we sit down with them when we talk to them about what are those soft barriers to what are. Is it a lack of understanding, lack of knowledge? How can we upskill the federal governments and the state governments? So we've got Memorandums of Understanding with the state of Colorado and the state of Florida, which is all about explaining and upskilling the understanding at state level of the opportunities with the UK space sector.

Interviewer (12:04)

So at a state level, that's fascinating.

Joshua Broome (12:06)

Yeah. So bringing, bringing that understanding to the people that can then work with American companies to upskill them in what the opportunity is. In the UK we also collaborate on things like procurement. So US Space Systems Command have been working with some allies on how do we collaborate in terms of military capability in space, how do we procure from each other's space sectors. And so my department have been feeding into that because ultimately we want to see UK companies providing into US military capabilities so that as an alliance, as a grouping of countries, we are stronger together. So it's everything from upskilling and information sharing, breaking down those barriers on things like procurements, enabling and facilitating discussions that UK companies might not be able to have with certain stakeholders that UK government can open the door. And so that facilitation that we can provide is really powerful as well. And similarly we encourage our counterparts in US government, Japanese government.

Interviewer (13:13)

Yeah, for sure.

Joshua Broome (13:13)

Canadian government to do the same with us.

Interviewer (13:15)

Yeah. Collaboration is clearly a strong theme here. I'm so curious, what has you most excited, like what's coming down that you're like, oh yeah, that's going to be awesome.

Joshua Broome (13:25)

Two things I think. One is the huge surge in commercial interest in the sector. The UK space sector is quite commercially focused already. So the large majority of the revenue that's generated in our space sector already comes from commercial contracts. So that's not the case in a number of space economies around and space faring nations around the world. But that's changing really rapidly. And so that real push and innovation that's coming through in the commercial sector is hugely exciting. Not least because it's something that the UK is quite good at. We're very innovative, we're quite agile. We've got fantastic companies popping up all over the place because we're quite commercially driven already. So that big commercial boom is, is a huge opportunity for the UK and between the UK and our allies and partners and the new NASA administrator, one of his big focuses is greater commercialization and moving NASA to embrace the commercialization of the sector. So obviously, like I said, for the UK that's great news for us.

Maria Varmazes (14:27)

Right.

Joshua Broome (14:28)

So that commercial, that commercial drive is huge opportunity and really exciting. Then I think the kind of recognition, the growing recognition in a number of nations of the importance of space is really exciting as well. So it's certainly the case in for various reasons geopolitically, over the last few years, the interest in the space sector, the recognition of the importance of space to our economy, to our national security has gone up dramatically. Yeah. In a number of countries. The US is obviously one of the most well established space faring nations and the general public are bought into that and they support it and they, they can see that the, the opportunity for space for the U.S. yeah. That hasn't existed in a lot of nations. Yeah. But I was going to say, do.

Interviewer (15:13)

You have to make that case in the uk as much as more than maybe you would want to or I mean, I mean one to maybe not the right word, I'm sorry, but we.

Joshua Broome (15:20)

Always have to make the case, particularly when we're spending taxpayer money on the space programs and support for space companies. We always have to make that case, that space is part of your everyday life, space is driving economic growth, space is essential to our national security. But in recent times that recognition, not just in the UK but elsewhere in Europe in the Middle east, in Asia, increasingly in Latin America. We've got some fantastic relationships there and they're really. It's like a switch as the cognizance is there.

Interviewer (15:50)

Yeah, absolutely.

Joshua Broome (15:51)

That recognition and embracing of the space sector in more and more markets and countries around the world is super exciting.

Maria Varmazes (15:58)

That's fantastic.

Interviewer (16:00)

I just want to say, if there's a pitch that you sometimes give, I'd love to hear it. So I guess I want to sort of give you the floor to do that because I always like kind of hearing that part of the house made.

Joshua Broome (16:11)

Amazing. Yeah, I'm too good at the soapbox element of it. So, I mean, the uk, the UK space sector is probably one of the only spaces, space sectors in the world where you'll find such a diverse range of not just capability and technologies that we're interested in, but countries and types of companies that are home, that the UK is home to. So we have domestic companies, we have homegrown UK talents, but we also have so many US companies operating in the uk, we have so many European companies operating in the uk. There really aren't that many countries that have the ecosystem, have the business support, have the mentality, have the business environment that would welcome that and embrace that. That is intentional. That is a policy driven decision for the UK to be internationally facing, to be welcoming, of a diverse and broad industrial base. So we want those companies here, we want American companies to, to see the UK as an extension of their market. We want European companies to see the UK as a home, as a natural ally and partner. We want those emerging space economies to also look to the UK for our expertise and the technology we've done alongside American and European and Japanese and Korean companies that the UK is home to. So we really are in, never say unique because someone will always put their hand up and say, no, no, that's, that's not necessarily true.

Interviewer (17:40)

So is that guy.

Joshua Broome (17:41)

We're certainly one of the most uncommon places in the world to do business in space because we're so accommodating and so welcoming of that international angle.

Maria Varmazes (18:05)

We'll be right back.

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Maria Varmazes (19:02)

Welcome back. We keep reading articles about how much junk there is in space and how many times objects have to maneuver on orbit to avoid collision. And well, it got us thinking. How often does the International Space Station have to power up to avoid space debris? Well, it turns out that while the frequency varies, it's estimated to maneuver about once a year. And it just so happens that it had to do so yesterday. The station's Progress 91 thrusters were fired at 6:10pm Eastern Time on Wednesday for 3 minutes 33 seconds to raise the orbit of the International Space Station. That maneuver provided an extra margin of distance from a piece of orbital debris from a fragment of a Chinese Long March rocket that was launched back in 2005. The Pre Planned Debris Avoidance maneuver was coordinated by NASA, Roscosmos and other space station partners. Without the maneuver, NASA estimated that the fragment could have come within around 0.4 miles of the station. That is in space terms, very much a little too close for comfort. We're sure you'd agree. NASA says the maneuver had no impact on operations aboard the space station and will not affect US Spacewalk 93, which was expected around the time that we are recording today. And it seems that although there's estimated to be a million pieces of junk whizzing around up there on orbit, NASA and their partners have things covered and we hope that that continues to be the case. That's it for T minus for May 1, 2025, brought to you by N2K Cyberwire for additional resources from today's report, check out our show notes@space.n2k.com we're privileged that N2K and podcasts like T Minus are part of the daily routine of many of the most influential leaders and operators in the public and private sector, from the Fortune 500 to many of the world's preeminent intelligence and law enforcement agencies. N2K Senior Producer is Alice Carruth. Our producer is Liz Stokes. We're mixed by Elliot Peltzman and Trey Hester with original music by Elliot Peltzman. Our executive producer is Jennifer Ibin, Peter Kilpe is our publisher and I am your host, Maria Varmazes. Thanks for listening. We will see you tomorrow.

Joshua Broome (21:30)

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