C (9:56)

My name's Leslie Lake. I'm the Vice President of Business Development at Allpoints Logistics. In my role here at the company, I am involved with obviously business development activities, but I also wear another hat for mission solutions and technical sales. In the space industry, customers don't buy their products necessarily off the shelf. They usually require some level of engineering and technical wherewithal to go. Evaluate all of the requirements and make sure that that their operations are going to Execute seamlessly. So I lean in and I work with my customers on the front end and prepare a lot of that material, do these evaluations and then go forth and bring total solution together and put together pricing for that. The company is currently on a multi year mission to develop payload processing facilities, logistics and transportation and operations control centers on the east and west coast near the launch sites. This was a need that was identified probably about six or seven years ago. They started seeing the problem forthcoming where the payloads need to come to the launch sites and get prepared for launch. That's a ground operation that takes place in some very technical spaces, clean rooms and things like that, where we conduct health status checks, shipping and receiving inspections and propellant servicing, sometimes payload integration. And from there they typically get encapsulated with the two halves of the fairings for the vehicles and then we're transported out to the various launch sites for integration to the rocket. So right now on the east and west coast, that is a huge choke point for the industry. A lot of payloads trying to get in the sky, the rockets can scale up, but this, this processing space is not something that scales easily. And this is a problem we're trying to address.

A (12:10)

Yeah, and, and you were describing the choke points, which is a really great way of encapsulating the challenges there. And I'm wondering if you could describe to me both the, the challenges and the opportunities that you all are working on to address.

C (12:23)

Historically, the United States government has stood up a program with a rocket, single launches and a single processing facility at each of those pads. And each one was different. And over the years, as those programs have ended, so did the use of those facilities. In many cases, not all, but the majority. The rockets are now starting to get larger and the volumes and the throughput is increasing dramatically. So now you're faced with a new kind of problem where the clean rooms and the entryways in and out are not large enough. And by the way, I need more than one. So you go look at what SpaceX is doing and what you see the others coming forth with the rideshare community, you begin to see as you read through that they've got, you know, 20, 30, 40 different customers and you see these pillars and you see these esper rings just all stacked with hardware and you see the different manufacturers and so all of that has to come together in a well organized manner. Yesterday's clean rooms were basically outfitted for GPS satellites to fly on the Atlas 5 and Things of that nature shuttle program. Right. So we put a Lot of hardware into space in a shuttle program. But the SSPF was essentially an industrial building, single story. It was horizontal processing. That's very limiting. You can still do work in there, but, you know, there's, there's, there's a lot of activity now that requires taller facilities. Right, right, yeah. And the, the facilities of the past are not tall enough and large enough for today's forthcoming rockets. So that's what we're trying to tackle.

A (14:14)

Yeah, yeah, You've mentioned we've got newer, bigger rockets. I mean, as we see many different launch providers coming through, which is exciting, the very different payloads from all these new established and new players coming in all the time. And then also, I would imagine the pace of launch also just add that factor in right there. And I'm thinking, also just thinking about what's going on in terms of Golden Dome and increasing militarization of space. You know, the Space Force exists and you know, there's a lot of need that they have for missions that, and support for those missions that they have. So that's got to add another level of interesting complexity for what you all are looking at. Anything you can share about that?

C (14:58)

So the work we had been doing for several years in preparation, our concepts, design and planning work was originally, you know, at a more simplistic level. We have advanced dramatically the concepts by which this program will come together. So let's take a moment back and talk about a single launch, Launch pad, single launch vehicle, single payload. That payload comes in, they fuel it, they conduct their operations and uncertain days of activity, they only affect themselves, right? Yep. So now we have a community where the launch pads are filling up, they're impacting each other as they get ready for launch or shutting each other down. And we need a more sustainable solution. So obviously your first thought would be to just build several of these, but I have to be able to do it in a way where the facility and the operations are programmed to allow continuous operations independent of what each other are doing to each other on any given day. Whether it's, you know, offloads, whether it's fueling, take your pick. So we take that recipe and we start to work that forward and we start to build facilities of the future. Things that we knew we could do but weren't cost effective until you model this in a proper environment for a multi user. Because, you know, these are expensive facilities and they need to be occupied as much as possible. Right. Clean rooms are not cheap. And they like, they're like a boat if you don't Use it, it gets upset, it wants. It wants the environmental systems up and running. That's when they behave the best. So from there you start to look at now, how do I take and support this even yet further, and how do I bring more benefit to the community to help streamline their operations? You begin to look at some warehousing on site. Now associated with our facilities, we have the ability to store early arrival hardware. We have the ability to prepare constellations and stage those constellations either in the clean rooms or adjacent and clean storage and give the customer some new options on what he wants to manifest and how he wants to fly. So you take that the next step further and how do you prepare that and make that easier for a customer to come in, do some operations, get to the pad and launch and take time out of his schedule. So we're working some advanced concepts now. If you look at rapid integration and rapid schedules to get to a launch, you need certain elements that come together that prepare and can execute and get the rocket out to the pad quickly where they just do their final fueling and launch. And so these are the concepts now where we have moved into that trade space. And the beauty is it didn't really cost us anything to go do it. These were inherent features of the building. We have learned to capitalize on the capabilities of that inherent flexibility that we've designed into our space. The proper orientation between all the working environments and each of the customers in a secure manner where they don't interfere with each other. And. And then you have a business case on top of it where the commercial industry is now prepared to actually conduct operations and make money and sustain it. Right? Yeah. Independent of not just government contracts. But now we've still got this whole commercial component going on.

A (18:56)

So, yeah, there's a lot of complexity there, but it's fascinating hearing how that's sort of all shaking on it. That's honestly very interesting. I want to shift gears slightly, recognizing part of the reason that we are speaking to each other today is because of Commercial Space Week and that I know that you're going to be speaking during Commercial Space Week. And I wanted to make sure our audience knows what you're going to be speaking on and when. So could you tell us a bit about that?

C (19:20)

Yeah, so I'm participating in a panel during Space Mobility. Name of the panel is Reconstitution and Reinforcement, Sustaining Combat Power in Orbit. So that's a lot of government vernacular that you have to unpack.

A (19:39)

Yes. Please translate that if you could.

C (19:41)

What is that? Well, right, you have to unpack because everybody has their own code. And if you're pitching that to guys who build guns and rifles and missiles, that means something. If you're speaking to a space crowd, it means something different, similar, but it's that readiness. And, and it's not just a case of put a satellite in orbit and make sure it's got a lot more fuel and a lot more batteries. It's way past that. But the ability to replenish on orbit, replenish constellations, replenish key satellites, and to do it in short order, that's really where, you know, our, our capabilities benefit that conversation to bring that environment together where the government now using digital twin concepts and other methodologies by which they make their determinations, what do I need in the sky, how soon do I need it and what's my options? Right, so we've, we're enabling the fleet and we're enabling the satellite community to bring that hardware somewhere and get it ready to give those defense forces those options they need.

A (21:11)

We'll be right back.

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