Europe’s first lunar lander.

Summary

T-Minus Space Daily: Europe’s First Lunar Lander Hosted by N2K Networks Release Date: January 30, 2025

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1. Introduction and Episode Overview

In this episode of T-Minus Space Daily, host Maria Varma delves into significant advancements in Europe’s space endeavors, including the development of Europe’s first lunar lander, strategic partnerships in quantum communication, and notable achievements in satellite technology. The episode also features an insightful interview with Chris Spagnoletti, Chief Product Officer at Ursa Major, who discusses the future of in-space propulsion systems and the challenges facing the aerospace supply chain.

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2. Headlines and Key Updates

a. European Space Agency’s Lunar Lander Initiative Maria Varma introduces the primary focus of the episode: the European Space Agency (ESA) has secured an €862 million contract with Teles Alenia Space to spearhead Europe’s inaugural lunar lander project. This ambitious endeavor, known as the Argonaut Lunar Descent Element, is poised to revolutionize lunar missions by providing regular transport capabilities to the Moon. The lander is designed to deliver essential infrastructure, scientific instruments, rovers, and life-supporting resources such as food, water, and air for astronauts on the lunar surface.

"The Argonaut Lunar Descent Element spacecraft will aim to be launched on regular missions to the moon and could be used to deliver infrastructure, scientific instruments, rovers, technology demonstrators, as well as vital resources for astronauts on the lunar surface."
— Maria Varma [06:30]

The core team comprises Teles Alenia Space in Italy, Thales Alenia Space in the UK, Telus Alenia Space in France, and OHB. The lander is scheduled for delivery in 2030, with its first operational mission anticipated in 2031.

b. European Quantum Communication Infrastructure Partnership The ESA has also finalized a collaboration with the European Commission to develop the European Quantum Communication Infrastructure (EUROQCI). This cutting-edge network leverages quantum key distribution (QKD) to safeguard Europe’s critical data and infrastructure, enhancing cybersecurity through the principles of quantum physics. The initiative includes the deployment of the Eagle 1 satellite, slated for launch in 2026, which will demonstrate and validate space-based quantum technologies.

"EUROQCI is an advanced network that aims to protect everything from personal data to Europe's critical infrastructure using proven principles of quantum physics."
— Maria Varma [08:15]

c. Successful Launch of Spainsat NG1 Celebrating a significant milestone, the first of two Airbus-built Spainsat satellites, Spainsat NG1, successfully launched aboard a Falcon 9 rocket from Cape Canaveral. Operated by HYSDESAT for the Spanish Armed Services, the satellite is set to enter geostationary orbit in the latter half of 2025 following a period of testing and commissioning.

"The spacecraft... will enter into service in geostationary orbit from the second half of 2025 following initial testing and commissioning."
— Maria Varma [07:50]

d. Axiom Space’s Fourth Private Astronaut Mission ESA and international partners have approved the crew for Axiom Space's fourth private astronaut mission to the International Space Station (ISS). Scheduled to launch aboard a SpaceX Dragon spacecraft no earlier than spring 2025 from NASA's Kennedy Space Center, the mission will be commanded by former NASA astronaut Peggy Whitson, with ISRO astronaut Shubanshu Shukla as pilot, and two ESA astronauts representing Poland and Hungary as mission specialists.

"Former NASA astronaut and Director of Human Spaceflight at Axiom Space, Peggy Whitson will command the mission..."
— Maria Varma [09:00]

e. L3Harris Financial Performance L3Harris Technologies released its fourth-quarter financial report, revealing a 3% revenue increase in the final quarter and a 10% rise for the full year 2024. The growth was primarily driven by higher volumes in advanced electronics for space and munitions programs, and the inclusion of Aerojet Rocketdyne segment results.

"The aerospace technology company reported a revenue increase of 3% in the last part of the financial year."
— Maria Varma [07:25]

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3. Interview with Chris Spagnoletti, Chief Product Officer at Ursa Major

The episode features an in-depth conversation with Chris Spagnoletti, who provides valuable insights into Ursa Major's advancements in propulsion technology and the broader challenges within the aerospace supply chain.

a. Ursa Major’s Mission and Technological Innovations Chris Spagnoletti outlines Ursa Major's mission to develop next-generation propulsion systems, emphasizing the shift towards in-space propulsion to ensure reliable and affordable access to space for the United States and its allies.

"When people think about access to space, they normally think, oh, that's launch. We need to think about that... Our economy and our security relies heavily on the space-based assets."
— Chris Spagnoletti [10:20]

Ursa Major focuses on creating highly maneuverable and replaceable space assets through advanced propulsion systems, addressing the vulnerabilities posed by adversaries to essential space infrastructure.

b. Addressing Supply Chain Challenges The discussion shifts to the prevalent supply chain issues within the aerospace industry. Spagnoletti highlights the mismatch between supply and demand for propulsion components and the risks associated with rapid scaling by startups lacking in-depth reliability standards.

"What you have is a lot of startup satellite companies using startup subsystem companies and then you have risk square. So when they go and launch... that fails, nobody gets to see if their stuff works."
— Chris Spagnoletti [17:19]

He underscores Ursa Major’s commitment to meticulous quality control and selective partnerships to ensure reliability and performance standards are met, thus fostering a more resilient supply chain.

c. Impact of Policy and Future Prospects Spagnoletti discusses the implications of recent policy changes, such as President Trump’s executive order on the Iron Dome, and how Ursa Major’s technologies are well-positioned to support national defense initiatives through hypersonic propulsion and solid rocket motor advancements.

"We have some very unique technologies... with these government agencies, we are working towards closing that loop and getting that technology into usable assets for the country."
— Chris Spagnoletti [14:37]

He expresses optimism about the future, highlighting Ursa Major’s strategic focus areas and readiness to adapt to evolving defense requirements.

d. Final Thoughts on Industry Trends In closing, Spagnoletti emphasizes the importance of focus and dedication within the company to navigate the opportunities and challenges in the aerospace sector.

"We're laser focused... on the things that matter to the defense industrial base and the country as a whole."
— Chris Spagnoletti [20:01]

Maria Varma echoes the sentiment, appreciating Ursa Major’s contributions and expressing enthusiasm for their future projects.

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4. NASA’s Osiris Rex Mission Findings

Maria Varma shares exciting updates from NASA’s Osiris Rex mission, which returned samples from Asteroid Bennu in 2023. The analysis of these samples has uncovered molecules essential for life and evidence of ancient saltwater environments on the asteroid. While no direct signs of life were found, the findings indicate that the foundational conditions for life were likely common in the early solar system, enhancing the prospects of life emerging on other celestial bodies.

"The samples from that mission have revealed molecules that on our planet are key to life, as well as a history of salt water that could have served as a broth for these compounds to interact and combine."
— Maria Varma [22:00]

These groundbreaking discoveries, published in Nature and Nature Astronomy, pave the way for further research and exploration, particularly missions targeting Mars.

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5. Conclusion and Acknowledgments

Maria Varma wraps up the episode by thanking listeners and acknowledging participants from Commercial Space Week in Florida, including Colonel Hatcher from Space Launch Delta 30 and Ignacio from Barcelona. She highlights the importance of community and collaboration within the space industry.

"Y'all are absolutely amazing. Thank you for your kindness and for your generosity and saying hi."
— Maria Varma [05:30]

The episode concludes with credits to the production team, emphasizing the collaborative effort behind delivering insightful space intelligence to industry leaders and enthusiasts alike.

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Notable Quotes Summary

1. Maria Varma on Argonaut Lander

   "The Argonaut Lunar Descent Element spacecraft will aim to be launched on regular missions to the moon..."
   [06:30]

2. Maria Varma on EUROQCI

   "EUROQCI is an advanced network that aims to protect everything from personal data to Europe's critical infrastructure..."
   [08:15]

3. Chris Spagnoletti on Access to Space

   "When people think about access to space, they normally think, oh, that's launch. We need to think about that..."
   [10:20]

4. Chris Spagnoletti on Supply Chain Risks

   "What you have is a lot of startup satellite companies using startup subsystem companies and then you have risk square..."
   [17:19]

5. Chris Spagnoletti on Technological Contribution

   "We have some very unique technologies... working towards closing that loop and getting that technology into usable assets for the country."
   [14:37]

6. Chris Spagnoletti on Company Focus

   "We're laser focused... on the things that matter to the defense industrial base and the country as a whole."
   [20:01]

7. Maria Varma on Osiris Rex Findings

   "The samples from that mission have revealed molecules that on our planet are key to life, as well as a history of salt water..."
   [22:00]

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Final Thoughts

This episode of T-Minus Space Daily provides a comprehensive overview of Europe’s pioneering efforts in lunar exploration, advancements in quantum communication security, and the dynamic landscape of the aerospace supply chain. The interview with Ursa Major’s Chris Spagnoletti offers a window into the future of in-space propulsion and the critical importance of resilient supply chains in sustaining space missions. Coupled with the groundbreaking findings from the Osiris Rex mission, the episode underscores the continuous strides being made in space technology and exploration.

For more detailed insights and updates, visit N2K Networks.

Transcript

[Maria Varma]

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[Maria Varma]

Today is January 30th, 2025. I'm Maria Varma and this is T minus T minus 20 seconds to Los L3. Harris Technologies has filed their fourth quarter financial reports and full year 2024 results. Four international partners have approved the crew for Axiom Space's fourth private astronaut mission to the International Space Station, the first of the two Airbus built Spainsat satellites. Spainsat NG1 successfully launched on a Falcon 9 rocket from Cape Canaveral. ESA and the European Commission agree to partner on European quantum communication infrastructure. 1 Teles Alenia Space lands a 862 million euro contract to develop Europe's first lunar cargo vehic later in the show. Our guest is Chris Spagnoletti, Chief Product Officer at Ursa Major. Find out more about their engines in development after today's headlines. And today is the final day of Commercial Space Week in Florida. We've all really enjoyed meeting so many of our listeners and guests, and I want to make sure we take a special moment to thank Colonel Hatcher, Vice Commander at Space Launch Delta 30, for stopping by our booth and sharing that he used the show to help him get up to speed on what's going on in space during his transition from the army to the U.S. space Force. And to Ignacio for sharing that he wakes up to our show every morning in Barcelona and the many others here that we've encountered here in Florida. Y'all are absolutely amazing. Thank you for your kindness and for your generosity and saying hi. This has been an incredible, humbling experience. Moving on to our headlines now, the European Space Agency has signed a contract with Telus alenia space worth 862 million euros to lead a European consortium of aerospace industries in Building Building ESA's first lunar lander. The Argonaut Lunar Descent Element spacecraft will aim to be launched on regular missions to the moon and could be used to deliver infrastructure, scientific instruments, rovers, technology demonstrators, as well as vital resources for astronauts on the lunar surface, such as food, water and air. The core team for the development of the Lunar descent element is comprised of Tullus Alenia Space in Italy, Thales Alenia Space in the United Kingdom, Telus Alenia Space in France and not Telus Alenia Space and ohb. The Argonaut Lunar Descent element is scheduled to be delivered in 2030 to be used for its first operational mission Argonet, expected to be launched in 2031. The European Space Agency and the European Commission have finalized their partnership on the European Quantum Communication Infrastructure, also known as euroqci. EUROQCI is an advanced network that aims to protect everything from personal data to Europe's critical infrastructure using proven principles of quantum physics. It aims to enhance the security of critical government data by using quantum key Distribution, which is a technology that uses the principles of quantum physics to detect any attempt at interception. The program is also being advanced through ESA's Security and Cryptographic Mission, also known as SAGA, which will demonstrate and validate space based quantum technologies on orbit. ESA is also supporting the development of Eagle 1, which is the first satellite for this space based quantum key distribution system and it is scheduled for launch in 2026. The first of the two Airbus built Spainsat satellites, the Spainsat NG1 successfully launched on a Falcon 9 rocket from Cape Canaveral. The spacecraft, operated by HYSDESAT for the Spanish Armed Services, will enter into service in geostationary orbit from the second half of 2025 following initial testing and commissioning. And on a personal note, I got to witness that launch last night in Florida and it was my very first rocket launch. It was absolutely amazing and I was honestly stunned into silence. 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2. Oh there. It's over there. Holy cow. Oh my God. Wow, that's incredible. Moving on from that, the U.S. space Agency and international partners have approved the crew for Axiom Space's fourth private astronaut mission to the International Space Station. The mission will launch aboard a SpaceX Dragon spacecraft from NASA's Kennedy Space center in Florida no earlier than spring 2025. Former NASA astronaut and Director of Human Spaceflight at Axiom Space, Peggy Whitson will command the mission while ISRO astronaut Shubanshu Shukla will serve as pilot. The two mission specialists joining are ESA astronauts from Poland and Hungary. And it is that time of year again. We're starting to receive fourth quarter financial reports from across the space industry. L3Harris has filed their statements which you can read in full by following the link in our show notes. The aerospace technology company reported a revenue increase of 3% in the last part of the financial year. They say the increases were driven in part by increased volume for advanced electronics for space and munitions programs. Overall, 2024 revenue increased 10%, due in part to the inclusion of a full year of results for the company's Aerojet Rocketdyne segment. And that concludes our intelligence briefing for today. You'll find three additional articles in the selected reading section of our show. Notes ones on Space RCO's accelerator program, another on Maxar and SiriusXM's latest satellite coming online. And there's a third one from Cituspace who have received FCC approval for Space to space data for their lizisat. Hey T minus crew. If your business is looking to grow your voice in the industry, expand the reach of your thought leadership or recruit talent, T minus can help. We'd love to hear from you. 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[Maria Varma]

It is our last day recording interviews here at Commercial Space Week in Florida, and we're looking forward to sharing them with you all over the next coming weeks. My guest today is Chris Spagnoletti, Chief Product Officer at Ursa Major. Hey, it's T minus Space Daily coming to you from Commercial Space Week. And joining me today, my very special guest from Ursa Major. Why don't you introduce yourself to the audience, please?

[Chris Spagnoletti]

Yes, hi. Thanks for having me. Really appreciate spending the time to listen what Ursa has to do. My name is Chris Spagnoletti. I'm the Chief Product officer for Urgent Major Technologies. We're up in Berthick, Colorado, about an hour north of Denver.

[Maria Varma]

Excellent. Tell me a bit about your background because you've got a really fascinating career story.

[Chris Spagnoletti]

Yeah, so I've been about 30 years in aerospace. On the general aviation side, I spent a lot of time developing flight critical systems for military commercial aircraft. I've worn a lot of hats at senior levels. I've been in sales. Going from engineering to sales is frightening. But I worked in sales, operations and then most recently I had run a business, I ran a cargo aerospace business in North Carolina. And then I came to Ursa about three years ago and found myself absolutely aligned and excited about what we're doing for the defense industrial base and hitting a lot of different sectors. So thanks, thanks for having me.

[Maria Varma]

Oh, it's. Honestly, I'm happy to have you. And again, I said this to you before, but we're big fans of Ursa Major here on the show. We've had the pleasure of speaking to many folks from Ursa before and all of us just really admire what you all do and what you're building and how you're doing it. So good stuff happening. So you all are busy, booked and blessed as I've been saying a lot.

[Chris Spagnoletti]

Yes, we are.

[Maria Varma]

Yeah. Tell me a bit about what you've been up to lately.

[Chris Spagnoletti]

Yeah, so just to kind of take a step back on Ursa in general. So Ursa was founded to create the next generation of propulsion system technology. And then looking at our recent successes with hypersonic engine and solid rocket motor technology, we decided to turn our attention to in space propulsion. And the reason that we did this is that we want America and our allies to have reliable, affordable, higher performing access to space. So when people think about access to space, they normally think, oh, that's launch. Right. Big, you know, big rocket engines, launch companies actually providing access to space. We need to think about that. Our economy and our security relies heavily on the space based assets. Yeah, right. And those space based assets are known to have this importance for the United States and that's on our adversaries are putting those at risk. And so to mitigate the risk, you know, we as a country, we're taking a distributed architecture approach. Right. So you have proliferated assets in space to mitigate.

[Maria Varma]

Yep.

[Chris Spagnoletti]

But for that to work, those assets have to be replaceable, highly maneuverable, but most important, they have to be available. So this, this leads to the problem statement. So we where we see the problem statement is that the current satellite industrial base has been optimized for highly complicated, boutique complicated devices that take years to develop and years to deploy.

[Maria Varma]

Yeah, yep.

[Chris Spagnoletti]

And then painful supply chain lead times and brittle supply chains. Overall, our standard operating procedure, what this does, this causes launch delays, cost overruns that could break business models, and then most importantly, just we can't make our mission objective, so what are we doing about it? So, yeah, at Ursa we are focused on not only providing high efficiency propulsion systems, we have developed an advanced design for manufacturing and integrated supply chain set of tools for key parts and processes. So what this means.

[Maria Varma]

Yeah, tell me more about that.

[Chris Spagnoletti]

Yeah, what this means is that when the satellite, satellite bus providers want to have, you know, high performing propulsion, but they want something different because not every bus is the same. So they want something changed, want something tweaked. We've developed processes and tools that allows those designs to be updated, but to be qualified to meet reliability standards. But that period of time is not going to take months and years and millions of dollars because that's what crushes people. You know, we're talking about weeks and months. So between that design philosophy, then our heritage of unparalleled engine testing, we are going to give America and our allies unfettered access to space.

[Maria Varma]

Just recently, President Trump announced an executive order about the Iron Dome that has a lot of huge implications for our industry. I imagine you all the antenna perked up. I'm so curious to get your thoughts on what that means for you.

[Chris Spagnoletti]

Yes, we are very interested to see where this is going to go because you know, at Ursa we have a lot of very specific technologies and skill sets that would complement what the executive order laid out, specifically hypersonic propulsion technology to provide that kinetic offset that the United States is looking for in protecting our country. There's actually a pretty big hole and gap in what the United States can currently do and Ursa Major is filling that gap. We have some very unique technologies, storable rocket engine technologies that are at TRL 6 right now. And with the help of these government agencies, we are working towards closing that loop and getting that technology into usable assets for the country. Same thing on the solid rocket motor side. We have partnerships with the Navy and with other government institutions to advance some of the same concepts I was talking to you about before. On the solid rocket motor side, we have developed a similar approach. Basically, the current business model for solid rockets is you stand up tooling for a certain rocket motor of a certain size. And if you Change it. It takes millions of dollars and multiple years to stand up one next to it that has a variation. So for an agile capability, especially when the United States is working out the requirements for what this defense shield looks like, we're going to be able to fill the need and be flexible. So you don't have to wait multiple year after year to get different configurations as we work out the details. So we're going to keep a close eye on it and we're going to see how the requirements pan out and we're going to be ready to support.

[Maria Varma]

That's fantastic. Given what you all build and where you all are in the industry. I'm so always curious to get your thoughts and perspective on the state of the supply chain right now, which is always. I know it's a perennial.

[Chris Spagnoletti]

Spicy. Spicy.

[Maria Varma]

We're doing spicy takes today. Spicy Wednesday. Oh, I can't say that either because we're gonna, we're doing spicy takes today. You know, it's like I do this for a living and yet. Yeah. So yeah, I'm always curious to get people's perspectives on supply chain. So your thoughts?

[Chris Spagnoletti]

Yeah, you know, the supply chain is a couple different lanes to think about. Like it depends on what your perspective is. If you are a satellite bus manufacturer, then your supply chain for propulsion are propulsion component suppliers. And just at the call the subsystem level, what we see is that we have a. There's this huge deficit between supply and demand.

[Maria Varma]

Yeah.

[Chris Spagnoletti]

And there are so many satellite buses that are needed for this proliferated architecture. There's just not enough. There's just not enough providers. So what's happened is that you have a lot of very intelligent driven folks that say hey, I'm going to fill that gap. Right. And so they go ahead and stand up a facility, a company and they feel the pressures to move fast. But what happens is that we've seen a pattern where because the pressures to move fast and a lot of these individuals maybe don't have the time to do the detailed. The devil's in the details of this stuff in terms of reliability, maintaining all of the design requirements that the product doesn't do its intended purpose. So what you have is you have a lot of startup satellite companies using startup subsystem companies and then you have risk square. So when they go and launch anybody on the, anybody within that family of subsystems that fails, nobody gets to see if their stuff works. So we have this issue ourselves where we are being very selective. You know, as we enter into in space propulsion we're being really careful to make sure that we partner with satellite bus providers that are paying attention to the details. And so we take that very seriously. And so I think that as this industry matures, I think a lot of those companies will learn from their mistakes and get better. So I think that will help the supply chain at the subsystem level is if you keep going down the chain in terms of raw material.

[Maria Varma]

Yeah, that's another. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Chris Spagnoletti]

And the basic raw material.

[Maria Varma]

Domestic supply.

[Chris Spagnoletti]

Domestic supply, yeah. You know, the business that I had before North Carolina, going through the COVID the challenges posed by Covid, those issues in having the complete supply chain disrupted took years.

[Dave]

Years.

[Maria Varma]

Of course. Yeah. That's not a quick thing to fix.

[Chris Spagnoletti]

No, it's not. And then what happened is, is that I believe you kind of have this nexus where those companies are really coming back. Back out of that curve.

[Maria Varma]

Yeah.

[Chris Spagnoletti]

The demands are increasing, but then you have this additional demand in getting this proliferated set of assets up into space.

[Maria Varma]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Spagnoletti]

So you have a compounded problem, and I think. I think it. I think we'll be able to catch up, but I think we're still two, three years away.

[Maria Varma]

Fantastic. Any. Any. Any parting thoughts? Floor is yours. Anything you want to close out with today? Boy, I know everyone hates that question, right? It's like.

[Chris Spagnoletti]

Yeah, I really think, you know, just to hammer home maybe a couple of the other issues that we talked about or comments. I really think that we. We're laser focused. You know, it's very easy to get distracted when there's so much opportunity. We have learned, you know, Earth is almost coming on 10 years, and we have learned to have tight focus on the things that matter to the defense industrial base and the country as a whole. And that really has been kind of a galvanizing point for us. So in space propulsion, solid rocket motor technology, hypersonics, filling that kind of blank space where we're behind from some other countries, and launch engine technology, that's really our focus. So we are excited about what's ahead of us. And then, yeah, we.

[Maria Varma]

That's great. You're good.

[Chris Spagnoletti]

Let's have to redo that one.

[Maria Varma]

No, no, no, nothing like that. If you want to, you can, but I think that was fantastic. Honestly. No, it's. It's always really cool to hear what you all are making. Every time there's a new announcement out from Ursa, it's. Honestly, it's like we're all cheering for you, so.

[Chris Spagnoletti]

No, thanks. We really appreciate it. We've got a great culture of can do attitude in Colorado. So thanks for having me. Really appreciate it.

[Maria Varma]

It's a pleasure. Thank you. That's my job to thank you. You've been great. You have the harder job. I just get to listen. You have the hard job. So thank you so much for speaking with me today and I always learn a lot. So thanks so much. It's been great. Great. We'll be right back. Foreign.

[Dave]

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[Maria Varma]

Welcome back. It is the moment geologists and deep space enthusiasts like myself have been waiting for. The first update on what has been found in the samples gathered from Asteroid Bennu and that jar that just wouldn't open. NASA's Osiris Rex, which stands for, wait for it, Origins, Spectral Interpretation, Resource Identification and Security Regolith Explorer spacecraft say that five times fast collected dust and rock from the asteroid, returning to Earth in 2023. The samples from that mission have revealed molecules that on our planet are key to life, as well as a history of salt water that could have served as a broth for these compounds to interact and combine. I could go for some soup right now. We should say that the findings do not show evidence for life itself. However, they do suggest that the conditions necessary for the emergence of life were widespread across the early solar system, and that increases the odds that life could have formed on other planets and moons. Hedging my bets there on the language. The research papers have been published in the journals Nature and Nature Astronomy, so if you're interested in delving into them, go on over. We're excited to hear what more can be found from these sample missions, and we're looking at you, Mars. That is it for T minus for January 30, 2025, brought to you by N2K Cyberwire. For additional resources from today's report, check out our show [e-mail] we're privileged that N2K and podcasts like T minus are part of the daily routine of many of the most influential leaders and operators in the public and private sector, from the Fortune 500 to many of the world's preeminent intelligence and law enforcement agencies. This episode was produced by Alice Carruth. Our associate producer is Liz Stokes. We're mixed by Elliot Peltzman and Tre Hester with original music by Elliot Peltzman. Our executive producer is Jennifer Ibin. Our executive editor is Brandon Karp. Simone Petrella is our president, Peter Kilpe is our publisher and I'm your host, Maria Ramazes. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next.

[Dave]

T minus.

[Maria Varma]

God, it's amazing. It's not. It's. It's dimmer than the stars in the sky now. And yet that filled up the whole sky when it went. There it goes. I hearing the silence from everyone else, like the stun silence was my favorite man. Rocket Man.

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