Inspiration4 with Dr. Sian “Leo” Proctor.

Summary

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T-Minus Space Daily: Inspiration4 with Dr. Sian “Leo” Proctor

Host: Maria Varmazas (N2K Networks)
Guest: Dr. Sian “Leo” Proctor, Inspiration4 Astronaut
Date: January 3, 2026

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Episode Overview

This special episode of T-Minus Space Daily features a deep-dive interview with Dr. Sian “Leo” Proctor: geoscientist, artist, science communicator, and notably, the first female commercial spaceship pilot. Maria Varmazas sits down with Dr. Proctor following her keynote at Spacecom 2025 to discuss her unlikely journey to space, the power of embracing opportunity, the vital role of the arts in STEM fields, and the transformative experience of orbiting Earth as part of the Inspiration4 mission.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Dr. Proctor’s Journey to Space

• Pandemic Catalyst:

  • Dr. Proctor describes her life pre-Inspiration4: coping with divorce during the pandemic, living with her brother, and focusing on art and poetry as a coping mechanism.
  • The May 2020 SpaceX Demo-2 launch reignited her passion for space, though she never expected to fly herself.
  • “In May of 2020, I’m watching Bob and Doug with the Return to flight at the US with demo 2… I had no clue a year later, I’d be training for my own space mission.” (02:00)

• Winning the Prosperity Seat:

  • With the announcement of the all-civilian Inspiration4 mission in early 2021, Dr. Proctor submitted her entry and was selected for the Prosperity seat as an artist and poet.
  • “I found my authentic voice as an artist and a poet. So I am going to write this poem called Space to Inspire.” (03:23)

“Space to Inspire” – The Poem That Won Her a Ticket to Space

• Dr. Proctor recites her competition-winning poem, emphasizing justice, equity, diversity, inclusion (JEDI), and the role of the arts.
  • Notable excerpt:

    “But don’t forget the arts, the heartbeat of time
    Consider sending a poet who knows how to rhyme.
    So let us drop the mic and close the capsule door
    but Please make sure Dr. Proctor is on board.” (05:05)

• She reflects on weaving together her passion for space, her love of Star Wars/Star Trek, and her commitment to inclusion.
  • “It’s a Star wars acronym, but it’s a Star Trek meaning.” (05:37)

The Importance of Representation and the Arts in Space

• On commercial spaceflight broadening access:
  • “It’s not just for the highly qualified.…We are, we can write that narrative of human spaceflight and we want everybody to go, we want everybody of different sizes and different backgrounds.” (06:44)
• The relevance of diversity and inclusion amid pushback on DEI:
  • “If highly qualified is the only measure of human success, then, you know, we leave out people in all kinds of categories… we’re missing the beauty and the creativity and the inspiration that makes us human.” (07:02)
• On being the poet in space:
  • Interviewer: “They should have sent a poet.”
    Dr. Proctor: “And they did…. I’m floating and the earth’s behind me. And I’m like, oh, they should have sent a poet. And I go, they did.” (07:32)

Training for Spaceflight

• Selected as mission pilot by Jared Isaacman, Dr. Proctor describes the intense and rapid training needed, transforming from a geoscience professor and small plane pilot into a commercial astronaut in six months.
  • “Does he know that I’ve only flown a Cessna 172?...I don’t know what that means, but sure, I’ll be your mission pilot.” (08:45)
  • “You’re not going to be the mission pilot unless you qualify, because it’s safety first, right?” (09:23)
• Explains SpaceX’s engineer-focused, systems-centric training that enabled her to grow into the role.
  • “As the mission pilot, I really become a systems engineer. I am watching what the flight computer’s doing. I understand if something goes wrong, what we can and cannot do as a crew.” (11:29)

The Launch and Spaceflight Experience

• The emotional build-up to launch:
  • “You go and you get up, you have breakfast with your family one last time… I was more terrified that I would lose the opportunity.” (12:01, 12:15)
  • “By the time you get there and they’re, like, strapping you in, you’re like, light this sucker. We’re ready to go.” (13:36)
• Physical sensations during launch:
  • “It roars to life. You’re on a dragon, and you’re going to space… as the mission pilot, … I’m not effing this up.” (14:09)
  • “It wasn’t as shaky like on TV and the movies, they show you kind of violently shaking. They got that Falcon 9 dialed in.” (14:46)
• Zero-G and adaptation:
  • “Your hands just float up and you’re like, oh, yeah, this is cool… you get biology doing its thing, space adaptation.” (15:55)
  • Advice: “I highly recommend anybody — better living through chemistry. Just take medicine.” (16:47)

The Concept of “Earthlight” and the Overview Effect

• Dr. Proctor describes her unique realization in orbit:
  • “Nobody learns about Earth light. And it is fundamentally what makes life exist…. It fundamentally takes sunlight and transforms it into Earth light. And we live in Earth light. And it’s the most beautiful light there is.” (17:19)
• Analogy and transformation:
  • “Does a fish know it’s in water until it jumps out of the water, you know? And for me, that was my moment going to space, realizing that I was being bathed in Earthlight…” (17:59)
• Emotional rebirth:
  • Host: “You really are a phoenix that just rose from so much.”
    Dr. Proctor: “Oh, so much.” (18:39)

Art, Design, and Advocacy

• Dr. Proctor discusses her Zen knot (X knot) shirt design, “Faith Knot,” signifying her faith in humanity and the link between solving for space and solving for Earth.

  • “This design here… I call Faith Not. …I have faith in us, in humanity, to go out and, you know, advance human space flight for the purpose of making the Earth more sustainable.” (19:15)
  • “One of my sayings has been solving for space is solving for Earth.” (19:51)

• Keynote Preview & Call to Action:

  • “We get to actively design humanity’s future in space.…strive for that Jedi space, that just, equitable, diverse, and inclusive space, so that we can, you know, be a role model for what we want life on Earth to be like…” (20:17)
  • “Let their Earth light shine.” (21:00)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If highly qualified is the only measure of human success, then… we’re missing the beauty and the creativity and the inspiration that makes us human.” (07:02)
• “So let us drop the mic and close the capsule door but Please make sure Dr. Proctor is on board. My space to inspire is what we need inspiration for, for all of humanity.” (05:22)
• “You’re on a dragon, and you’re going to space… as the mission pilot, you know, first black woman to pilot a spaceship. I’m not effing this up.” (14:09)
• “It fundamentally takes sunlight and transforms it into Earth light. And we live in Earth light. And it’s the most beautiful light there is.” (17:19)
• “Solving for space is solving for Earth.” (19:51)
• “We get to actively design humanity’s future in space.…strive for that Jedi space, that just, equitable, diverse, and inclusive space…” (20:17)

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Important Timestamps

• Life Before Inspiration4 & Entering Contest: 01:52–03:15
• Reciting “Space to Inspire” Poem and Themes: 03:48–06:35
• On Representation & Access in Space: 06:44–07:58
• Selecting and Training the Mission Pilot: 08:17–11:01
• Emotions on Launch Day: 12:01–13:45
• Description of Liftoff and In-Orbit Experience: 13:59–16:47
• The Meaning and Beauty of 'Earthlight': 17:07–18:39
• Art, T-Shirts, and Advocacy: 19:13–19:55
• Keynote Teaser & Final Message: 20:17–21:05

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Conclusion

Dr. Sian Proctor’s journey from geology professor and artist to space pilot and advocate is a profound story of resilience, passion, and creative vision. Her insights on opportunity, preparation, representation, and the power of perspective from orbit offer inspiration not just for space professionals but for anyone dreaming of new horizons. With her parting call to let your “Earth light shine,” Dr. Proctor invites all listeners to imagine and help build a more just, creative, and inclusive future—on Earth and beyond.

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Transcript

[A]

You're listening to the N2K space network.

[B]

There are many pathways into the space industry now more than ever. Over 200,000 people work in space in the United States alone. But there are always some stories that just stand out in the crowd. So how can one go from being a geology professor and an artist to being an author, a science communicator and, oh, yeah, the first female commercial spaceship pilot during the pandemic? Well, we're about to find out. Welcome to T Minus Deep Space from NT UK Networks. I'm Maria Ramazes. Dr. Cyan Leo Proctor was the keynote speaker at Spacecom 2025. And I caught up with the Inspiration4 astronaut to find out about her amazing journey into space and how it inspires her art here on Earth.

[C]

Hi, welcome to T Minus Space Daily from Commercial Space Week. And with me is our VIP, Dr. Cyan Proctor. I. I am so glad to meet you in person after we chatted just.

[A]

Not that long ago.

[C]

Thank you for joining me this morning.

[A]

It's a real pleasure to be here. Thank you for having me.

[C]

Oh, my gosh. The pleasure is ours. Thanks again. Oh, my goodness. So last time we spoke, you know, I got some really important feedback that I didn't really talk to you about, so I really. I'm just. I kind of want to live vicariously through you this morning as much as one can for such an amazing experience. Can we walk through the whole journey?

[A]

Yeah. You know, it was really out of the blue. I don't think anybody saw this coming because, you know, in 2020, it's the pandemic. I'm home. And in May of 2020, I'm watching Bob and Doug with the Return to flight at the US with demo 2. And we're all cheering that on, right? Yeah. And I had no clue a year later, I'd be training for my own space mission.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And so right after that, right after Bob and Doug launched and SpaceX started their human launch commerc, I became a space artist. So I'm living at home. It was my coping mechanism. So I started doing space art and poetry. And because I was also going through a divorce, I think a lot of people, you know, the pandemic, kind of.

[C]

For a lot of us. Yeah. Yes.

[A]

And so I was going through a divorce. And then at the end of 2020, you know, I'm broke, I'm living with my brother, I'm trying to get my life back together. And. And then coming into 2021, just about a year going into the Pandemic, they announced the first all civilian mission to orbit that you can win a seat to space. And I was really fortunate because I won the prosperity seat as an artist and a poet. And In March of 2021, I started training, and six months later, I launched into space for three days with Inspiration4.

[C]

That.

[B]

What?

[C]

Okay, just the macro of that. The journey is just incredible. You never know where life's going to take you.

[A]

You don't. You don't know. And you just got to be open to the opportunity. I mean, I could have easily said, oh, they're never going to take me, or, you know, there's too many people that have entered this contest or a lot of ways of talking yourself out of opportunity. But instead I just said, you know what? I'm going to do this. I found my authentic voice as an artist and a poet. So I am going to, you know, write this poem called Space to Inspire.

[C]

Do you remember the poem offhand?

[A]

I do.

[C]

Can you recite it?

[A]

Yeah. Oh, my gosh, I can. Do you want the whole thing or do you want just. It's about two minutes.

[B]

I would love the whole thing, if.

[C]

You don't mind indulging me.

[A]

No. And so it was really interesting time, right? Because thinking about how to create a message through poetry that could resonate for the future. And I grew up a huge Star wars and Star Trek fan and. And thinking about how we boldly go together. And so this is space to inspire. The poem that won me a seat to Space. You've got space. I've got space. We all have space to inspire. That's why we dream of going higher and higher. But what is space if you can't breathe? Let's stop sucking out the air of Earth our humanity we have a moment to seize the light Earth from space both day and night we have J for justice to ignite the bold we have E for equity to cut past the old we have D for diversity to end the fight we have I for inclusion to try to make it right A Jedi space to rally behind A universal force so big it binds Inspiration to change the world A new beginning for us to hold it's not about you, it's not about me it's about space to inspire for all of humanity Science, technology, engineering and math Sending us out on the explorer's path but don't forget the arts the heartbeat of time Consider sending a poet who knows how to rhyme. So let us drop the mic and close the capsule door but Please make sure Dr. Proctor is on board. My space to inspire is what we need inspiration for, for all of humanity. And yeah, I wrote that poem, by the way. Thank you. It like poured out. I felt like my ancestors were like, here you go. You know, and that just kind of poured out of me. And it's a Star wars acronym, but it's a Star Trek meaning. And that whole idea of, especially as we're pushing back against dei, you know, I feel like when it comes to the space industry, we really should be doubling down on the fact that humanity is going to the moon, Mars and beyond and we get to choose how we do that. And if we're gonna create space for all, then the foundation of that should be just equitable, diverse and inclusive. There's nothing wrong with that because we all want that Star Trek future.

[C]

I know, I certainly do. And certainly I really appreciate you saying that because space belongs to everyone. Yeah, it really does.

[A]

Yeah. It's not just for the highly qualified. Like, that's, to me, it's like, no, no, we want, you know, and this is one of the things that I love about commercial space and being here is that we, we are, we can write that narrative of human spaceflight and we want everybody to go, we want everybody of different sizes and different backgrounds. I mean, if it's, if we, if highly qualified is the only measure of human success, then, you know, we leave out people in all kinds of categories because we don't consider particularly like the arts to be highly qualified, you know, for this. And that's just, we're missing the beauty and the creativity and the inspiration that makes us human.

[C]

Yes. And as this phrase often goes, they should have sent a poet.

[B]

And they did.

[A]

Yes, and they did.

[C]

I'm sure you're sick of hearing that.

[A]

While I was in space, I literally say that. I go, I'm floating and the earth's behind me. And I'm like, oh, they should have sent a poet. And I go, they did. It's a real honor to be the first artist selected to go to space.

[C]

I, on behalf of all the artists, cheering you on, I'm so glad that one of us was there.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It just makes me, as I think I told you last time we spoke, your mission especially was very resonant with so many of us who are at home watching you. I was with a three year old and just dreaming of just, again, the inspiration of it. I was like, oh my God, I'm getting a little overcomp thinking about it. But anyway, tell me a bit about the training that you went through because this is always fascinating to me.

[A]

Too. The training was amazing and intense. So you can imagine, you know, it's a contest and you've written a poem, you're trying to go as an artist, then you get on a zoom call and there's Jared Isaac, man, the most amazing human. And he's like, yeah, we picked a winner and it's you. And then he doesn't mess around. And Jared's like, yeah, and I want you to be my mission pilot. And you're, you know, in your head, you're like, does he know that I've only flown a Cessna 172? And then you're different. Yeah. And you're like, okay, I don't know what that means, but sure, I'll be your mission pilot. And then you go and you're whisked off to SpaceX headquarters and Hawthorne and you really start digging into what that is. Yeah. And so training, we do all the same training that NASA astronauts do for, are required to do for SpaceX. But, you know, and the typical things, you know, we do hyperbolic chamber, we do, we do zero g, we do crew cohesion, we do, you know, jet fighter, jet training, all of those things that you think about. But as a mission pilot, I now have six months to become a systems engineer. And I love SpaceX because they're like, yeah, you know, I like to refer to it as like, you, you want to contest the space. You know, you're kind of like this yahoo coming in, you know, you're not going to be the mission pilot unless you qualify because it's safety first, Right?

[C]

Of course, of course. One would hope so, right? Yes. Yeah.

[A]

And so they're probably thinking like, okay, you know, we, here's a proving ground that we can take somebody who's non military, non NASA, and in six months we can get them flight qualified to be the mission pilot. And that's what SpaceX did. I'm a geoscience professor. That means, you know, I teach about rocks and earth processes. I'm not an Engineer. But what SpaceX did was they created a program to get to know the terminology, to understand the Falcon 9 rocket and the Dragon spacecraft, to learn all the emergencies and contingencies. Having my pilot's license helped me get there, you know, it gave me the confidence and gave me the confidence to know that I could get myself there.

[C]

That's incredible. It's like a boot camp for.

[A]

It was, it literally was. But you can imagine me coming in and I'm like, wait, what stacks of books of engineering and just knowledge and procedures and you go again. Me and Jared spend a lot of time together in the simulator going through all the emergencies and the procedures again and again and again so that, you know, you've got it dialed in just like a NASA astronaut.

[B]

We'll be right back after this quick break.

[C]

Okay. And to me, it also speaks a lot to what SpaceX has done with their engineering and that it's sort of, you all can meet in the middle in that way that like, reduction of complexity, but also your training meets.

[A]

Absolutely. And that's why it's really, that's why I say, as the mission pilot, I really become a systems engineer. I am watching what the flight computer's doing. I understand if something goes wrong, what we can and cannot do as a crew, and my, my job fundamentally becomes, you know, added situational awareness for my commander.

[C]

Absolutely, that makes a lot of sense. So I gotta get to the big question about, okay, the launch, the everything. So how can you even walk someone through it who has been, who has never been? I'm just so curious. But can you try?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It is the most amazing day of your life. You know, you go and you get up, you have breakfast with your family one last time and your friends. And I love the fact that when we came out of the SpaceX hangar, all of our family and friends were lined up and we got to kind of say that last goodbye and walk through.

[C]

How did that feel?

[A]

Oh, I was so excited. You're so happy.

[C]

You're just excited?

[A]

Oh, yeah. Not scared. I don't care. You know, that's the number one question is the day of launch when I'm strapped into the Dragon capsule and I'm getting ready to, you know, lift off on this beautiful rocket, am I afraid? And I always say, no, I was ready. I was ready to go. All right, I was excited. And, you know, when I give my keynotes, I walk people through this experience and just let them know, like, I had been chasing space my entire life and I was more terrified that I would lose the opportunity. I have it taken away, like medical. Were they going to find something wrong with me? You know, it's Covid. You can't get sick, you can't get hurt. You know, what if you had gotten broken a leg or something? Like, you know, these are just things that I just think about, like, am I going to make it to that day where I get to lift off and so when you. Or will I not qualify as the mission pilot? You know, I've got six months and what if I fall short and they say, sorry, you know, we don't think that you're. You're qualified.

[B]

Right?

[A]

These are all things that you're terrified of happening. So by the time you get there and they're, like, strapping you in, you're like, light this sucker. We're ready to go.

[C]

I'm here. I made it.

[A]

Yeah, you're like, I made it. Like, you're, like, made it. Let's do it.

[C]

Yeah, that magic moment. All right, so can you walk me through those moments? Like, okay, you're in. You're about to lift off. What is that? That kick? What does that feel like?

[A]

Oh, it's great. You know, you're counting down because next thing, you're sitting in the rocket, you don't want to scrub, and then you realize, you know, they're counting down to zero. And you're just, you know, you've got this huge grin on your face, and, you know, and you're just kind of seeing. And you're waiting. And it's amazing because you feel the rocket roar to life. And I literally say, it roars to life. You're on a dragon, and you're going to space, and you get pushed back. And then mission pilot, me and Jared, laser focused on the job. Chris and Haley, as the mission specialist, kind of got to sit back and enjoy the ride and really take those sensations in. But, man, I, as a mission pilot, you know, first black woman to pilot a spaceship.

[C]

Yes, indeed.

[A]

I'm not effing this up, you know, I'm just gonna say it. Like, you're, like, laser focused on the job. And so for me, what I did notice was one, it wasn't as shaky like on TV and the movies, they show you kind of violently shaking. They got that Falcon 9 dialed in. Really, really. It's kind of like going down a bumpy road. And I could read my flight monitors, no problem. Wow. Like, it was super, super smooth compared to what I thought it was going to be. And then you go through your stages, and every stage, Jarrett's calling out your location as you're hitting these different stages. And I'm watching the flight computer, and then 10 minutes later, you're in space. And literally, you do this. Your hands just float up and you're like, oh, yeah, this is cool. You're seeing the zero G indicator, which for us was a St. Jude therapy dog.

[B]

Right?

[C]

That's right.

[A]

And it's floating around, and you're like this. And you're like, wow, you know, we made it. But again, then you've got Next things to happen. As the mission pilot and, of course, Jared as the commander.

[B]

You're.

[A]

You've got all of these, like, system checkouts and things. And those were busy. Yeah, you're busy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then you're rearraising your orbit. You know, we were hired in the International Space station. We're about 585km up, and you're just kind of, like, amazed that you're there. And then you get the opportunity to get out of your spacesuit. And I remember, like, Haley basically slid out and started tumbling, and I was out of mind. And I was kind of like, that looks fun. But my stomach was like, eh, you don't really want to do that right now. So you get biology doing its thing, space adaptation. And a lot of times people are like, well, I get sick and stuff. It's not. You definitely have fluid shifts, and people will have different degrees of that. And so for me, it was that slight, like, nausea where you'd kind of like, oh, I don't feel my best. But not enough to throw up. And that's when I highly recommend anybody better living through chemistry. Just take medicine. Because a half hour later, I felt fine, and I didn't have to worry about throwing up or any of that. And then I could really settle in and enjoy being in space for the next three days.

[C]

And then we talked about Earth light.

[A]

Yes. Yeah.

[C]

Oh, my gosh. So I'm gonna refer people to our previous conversation where we talked about this before.

[A]

Definitely.

[C]

But it was really magical hearing you describing that.

[A]

Yeah, that was my. You know, people are like, well, did transform you. Yes. I discovered something new for myself, something that most of us don't have a clue about. Like, we learn about sunlight, we learn about moonlight, but nobody learns about Earth light. And it is fundamentally what makes life exist. If our planet didn't strip sunlight down and reduce most of that radiation, life would not exist. It fundamentally takes sunlight and transforms it into Earth light. And we live in Earth light. And it's the most beautiful light there is.

[C]

I just want to soak in that for a second because it's just such a profound thought. And I'm feeling very inelegant to say, and I want to change topics now.

[A]

Well, I will just end by saying, you know, it took humanity, like, I had to go out into space to discover Earthlight for myself. And it's that idea of a fish in water. Does a fish know it's in water until it jumps out of the water, you know? And for me, that was my moment going to space, realizing that I was being bathed in Earthlight and being like, whoa. And I think as an artist, because a lot of astronauts have gone to space, you know, they talk about the Earth globe, but I literally realized that I was being bathed in Earth light and that that fundamentally was, I believe, a driving force for the overview effect.

[C]

I completely believe it. And so much about your journey also sounds like a rebirth. Like, you really are a phoenix that just rose from so much.

[A]

Oh, so much.

[C]

Oh, my goodness. Yeah, it's like baptized in Earthlight, honestly.

[A]

Yes, it all should be.

[C]

I hope, one day for me as well.

[A]

Well, we technically are every day when we walk outside, but we don't realize it. That's true. And we live in a world of reflected, beautiful light, and our planet is really special.

[C]

It truly is. I'm so sorry to be inelegant about this, but we're talking about Earthlight, and I have to bring us to your incredible shirt, which I know I want to make sure I hold it up for the camera.

[A]

It's beautiful. Thank you.

[C]

This is mine. So I bought this one specifically because I wanted to show it like, I have it, and I would love for you to sign it if you have a moment.

[A]

I would love to. And so this design here, this is one of my X knots. I call them my Zen knots, actually, so. Because they're finding Zen in the cosmos. And this one, particularly, I call Faith Not. And the reason why I put it on the T shirt is that I have faith in us, in humanity, to go out and, you know, advance human space flight for the purpose of making the Earth more sustainable. And so for a long time, one of my sayings has been solving for space is solving for Earth.

[C]

Absolutely. And there's that beautiful Earth light also.

[A]

Right?

[C]

Yeah. It's gorgeous.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

So I was thinking.

[B]

I was like.

[C]

That was the segue. I'm trying to make, like, Earth life.

[A]

Yeah, See, it's okay.

[C]

A gorgeous, gorgeous shirt. And we're here at spacecom, and this is one of the many beautiful things that you have made for spacecom. And just before we close out, because I know we're running short on time, I know you're about to give a keynote shortly. Kind of maybe a thumbnail version of what your message is for spacecom while you're here.

[A]

Yeah. You know, my big message is that we get to actively design humanity's future in space. And what I encourage us all to do is strive for that Jedi space, that just equitable, diverse, and inclusive space, so that we can, you know, be a role model for what we want life on Earth to be like and that, you know, all that technology and innovation that we're putting into the advancement of human spaceflight own the fact that as we're solving for space, we're solving for Earth, and that we're making ourselves more sustainable in the future and encouraging everybody to let their Earth light shine.

[C]

It's beautiful. Thank you so much for your wonderful message.

[A]

Thank you.

[C]

Thank you for taking the time to speak with me again. I really appreciate it.

[A]

Thank you for having me.

[C]

It was an honor meeting you in person.

[A]

Thank you so much for joining me today.

[B]

That's it for T Minus Deep Space, brought to you by N2K CyberWire. We'd love to know what you think of this podcast. You can email [e-mail] or submit the survey in the show notes. Your feedback ensures that we deliver the information that keeps you a step ahead in the rapidly changing space industry. T Minus Deep Space is produced by Alice Carruth. Our associate producer is Liz Stokes. We're mixed by Elliot Peltzman and Trey Hester with original music by Elliot Peltzman. Our executive producer is Jennifer Ivan. Our executive editor is Brandon Karp. Simone Petrella is our president. Peter Kilby is our publisher. And I am your host, Maria Varmazas. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time.

[C]

Sa.