Isaacman takes one step for NASA.

Summary

T-Minus Space Daily: "Isaacman Takes One Step for NASA" – April 10, 2025

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Overview

In this episode of T-Minus Space Daily hosted by Maria Varmazas, listeners are treated to an in-depth exploration of pivotal developments within the global space industry. From Jared Isaacman's Senate confirmation hearing for NASA Administrator to groundbreaking partnerships in satellite technology and aerospace innovations, the episode encapsulates the dynamic landscape of space exploration and industry growth. Special attention is given to Oklahoma's burgeoning role in aerospace, highlighted through an engaging interview with Lieutenant Governor Matt Pinnell.

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Jared Isaacman's Senate Confirmation Hearing

Timestamp: 03:11 – 06:09

Key Highlights:

NASA Administrator nominee Jared Isaacman addressed the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation, outlining his strategic vision for revitalizing NASA. Isaacman emphasized the necessity of overcoming existing challenges, such as budget overruns and delays in major programs, to maintain NASA’s status as the foremost space agency globally.

Notable Quotes:

• Isaacman (03:11):

  "NASA is the most accomplished and respected space agency in the world. But for all NASA's historic achievements, the agency is not without challenges."

• Isaacman (04:25):

  "If confirmed and with the support and guidance of President Trump and members of Congress, we will reinvigorate a mission-first culture at NASA with the following objectives."

Strategic Objectives:

1. American Leadership in Space: Prioritizing manned missions to Mars and developing capabilities to return to the Moon, assessing scientific, economic, and national security benefits.

2. Thriving Space Economy: Collaborating with international partners to unlock economic potentials in low Earth orbit, aiming for NASA's financial self-sustainability.

3. Scientific Advancement: Leveraging NASA’s scientific resources to foster world-changing discoveries through more telescopes, probes, and rovers.

Isaacman concluded his testimony with a commitment to inspire future generations and spearhead a new era of scientific discovery:

• Isaacman (05:50):

  "There is no more important investment than inspiring our children to build a better and more exciting future. And that’s the best way NASA can do that is by delivering on our mission and ushering in a new golden age of science and discovery. And we will not fail."

Insights:

Isaacman's approach combines practical technological advancements with a strong advocacy for sustained funding and support from both federal and congressional bodies. His focus on a mission-first culture suggests a strategic pivot towards more achievable and timely space exploration milestones.

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Intelsat's Satellite Life Extension Mission

Timestamp: 06:09 – 09:35

Intelsat announced a significant milestone as the first and only satellite operator to successfully complete a satellite life extension mission. Using Northrop Grumman’s Mission Extension Vehicle (MEV), Intelsat extended the operational life of the Intelsat 901 satellite by five years, ensuring continued global connectivity for its customers.

Key Points:

• Technical Achievement: The MEV detached from Intelsat 901 after maneuvering it to a graveyard orbit, where the satellite is now set to be decommissioned after nearly 24 years of service.

• Future Collaborations: Building on this success, Intelsat partnered with Northrop Grumman for a second mission in 2021, extending the life of Intelsat 1002 using MEV2.

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Sirius Space and Ursa Major Partnership

Timestamp: 09:35 – 12:38

Sirius Space is advancing its launch capabilities through a strategic collaboration with Ursa Major, focusing on the development of a medium launch engine derived from Ursa Major's Aeroway model. This partnership includes the acquisition of ten Ursa Major small launch engines, marking a significant approval between American and Japanese space technology firms.

Highlights:

• Technical Assistance Agreement: Approved by the U.S. Department of State, allowing the export of specific technical data related to the Hadley engine.

• Future Plans: Development and testing of the scaled medium launch engine are slated to continue through 2028, with a test launch expected in 2025.

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Cituspace and Reflex Aerospace Joint Venture

Timestamp: 12:38 – 16:30

Cituspace formalized a partnership with Berlin-based Reflex Aerospace, aiming to establish a U.S.-based joint venture focused on delivering comprehensive space solutions. This collaboration was announced at the 40th Space Symposium in Colorado Springs, following prior agreements and expressions of intent established at the Space Tech Expo Europe.

Key Objectives:

• Market Expansion: Strengthening presence in global markets through innovative solutions tailored to diverse customer needs.

• Strategic Framework: Developing a robust framework to support joint ventures and collaborative projects in the aerospace sector.

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Space ISAC and NASA’s SCAN Program Partnership

Timestamp: 16:30 – 19:14

Space ISAC announced a pivotal partnership with NASA’s Space Communication and Navigation Program (SCAN) during the 40th Space Symposium. This collaboration aims to enhance space security, resilience, and innovation.

Significance:

• Security Enhancements: Leveraging Space ISAC’s expertise to bolster NASA’s communication and navigation infrastructure against emerging threats.

• Innovation Drive: Facilitating the integration of advanced technologies to support NASA’s mission-critical operations.

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Interview with Oklahoma Lieutenant Governor Matt Pinnell

Timestamp: 11:08 – 19:24

In an exclusive interview conducted at the 40th Space Symposium, Oklahoma Lieutenant Governor Matt Pinnell discussed his state’s strategic initiatives and growing prominence in the aerospace and space innovation sectors.

Key Topics:

1. Oklahoma’s Aerospace Growth:

   • Transitioning from a traditional focus on oil and gas to embracing renewable energy and aerospace innovation.
   • Hosting significant military bases like Tinker Air Force Base and advancing into space innovation with companies like Dawn Aerospace and Agile.

2. Spaceport Infrastructure:

   • Oklahoma boasts one of the 14 U.S. spaceports, featuring the second longest and widest runway globally, facilitating microgravity research and space vehicle testing.

3. Strategic Partnerships and Policies:

   • Collaborations through the Aerospace States Association (ASA) to promote best practices and advocate for federal investment in space infrastructure.
   • Emphasis on regional corridors to specialize spaceports in diverse innovation areas, such as microgravity research and rocket propulsion.

Notable Quotes:

• Pinnell (12:51):

  "The culture of Oklahoma is aerospace. It is flight. We have a long history of space innovation, flight innovation."

• Pinnell (17:33):

  "We want to make sure that NASA is fully funded with their missions and our spaceports around the country get the help that they need so that these space entrepreneurs of the future have somewhere where they can set up shop."

Future Objectives:

• Microgravity Research: Leveraging Dawn Aerospace’s capabilities for multiple daily flights to advance microgravity studies.

• Infrastructure Development: Enhancing facilities to support both horizontal and vertical payload launches, integrating Oklahoma’s expertise in maintenance and repair with emerging space technologies.

Closing Remarks:

• Pinnell (19:24):

  "Those that are intrigued and want to learn more, go search for Oklahoma Department of Commerce. That's a great central clearinghouse of all the incentives that we have."

Insights:

Oklahoma is positioning itself as a pivotal hub for aerospace innovation through strategic investments in infrastructure, education, and collaborative partnerships. Pinnell underscores the importance of cultural alignment and federal support in sustaining the state’s growth trajectory within the space sector.

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40th Space Symposium Highlights

Timestamp: 10:49 – 20:08

The episode provides a recap of the 40th Space Symposium in Colorado Springs, highlighting:

• Industry Maturity: Increased technical capabilities and business offerings, with established vendors from non-space sectors expanding their space-related services.

• International Participation: A significant rise in European nations’ presence, indicating growing global collaboration in space initiatives.

• Key Speakers: Space Force General Saltzman emphasized maintaining business as usual amidst geopolitical tensions, reflecting the industry's resilience and adaptability.

Host's Reflections:

Maria Varmazas commended the international engagement and the integration of diverse technological advancements, signaling a robust and collaborative future for the space industry.

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Closing Remarks

Timestamp: 20:49 – End

Maria Varmazas concluded the episode by acknowledging the hard work of the N2K team during the symposium and expressing enthusiasm for upcoming discussions and insights derived from the conference. She also extended gratitude to the executive and production team, reinforcing the collaborative effort behind T-Minus Space Daily.

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Conclusion

This episode of T-Minus Space Daily offers a comprehensive overview of current developments in the space industry, underscored by strategic leadership initiatives, innovative technological partnerships, and regional growth exemplified by Oklahoma’s active participation in aerospace advancements. Through insightful interviews and detailed coverage of key events, the episode serves as a valuable resource for industry stakeholders and enthusiasts alike.

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Transcript

[Maria Varmazas]

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[Maria Varmazas]

Foreign Today is April 10, 2025. I'm Maria Varmazas and this is T minus.

[Matt Pinnell]

T minus 22nd.

[Maria Varmazas]

Los T, Dris Space, ISAC and NASA scan to partner on advancing space security, resilience and innov. Cytospace has formalized its intention to partner with Reflex Aerospace to form a U S based joint venture. Sirius Space is collaborating with Ursa Major on the development of a medium launch engine. Intelsat has become the first and only satellite operator to complete a satellite life extension mission. NASA Administrator nominee Jared Isaacman appears at a confirmation hearing before the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Trans. And today we're bringing you our chat with Oklahoma Lieutenant Governor Matt Pinnell on his state's interest in the growing space industry. So stick around for that later in greetings from the final day of the 40th Space Symposium in Colorado Springs. We've got a full show for you. Let's get into it. NASA Administrator nominee Jared Isaacman appeared in front of US Lawmakers yesterday, outlining his vision for the future of the US Space Agency under his proposed leadership. Here's a bit of what he had.

[Jared Isaacman]

To say on that note, NASA is the most accomplished and respected space agency in the world. But for all NASA's historic achievements, the agency is not without challenges. Presidents have called for a return to the moon and a path to Mars since 1989, and well over 100 billion has been spent without the intended results. Most programs, new telescopes, rovers, X planes, entire spaceships are over budget and behind schedule. And this is discouraging because when people people look up at the stars and wonder what is out there, they want those answers today and not decades down the road. And I know it is not lost on members of this committee that we have geopolitical rivals moving at impressive speeds. It's imperative for our national security, our pride, and all that we stand to gain in exploration that we never come in second place. If confirmed and with the support and guidance of President Trump and members of Congress, we will reinvigorate a mission first culture at NASA with the following objectives. First, American astronauts will lead the way in the ultimate high ground of space. As the President stated, we will prioritize sending American astronauts to Mars. And along the way we will inevitably have the capabilities to return to the moon and determine the scientific, economic and national security benefits for maintaining a presence on the lunar surface. We will focus our technology development efforts on the world's greatest engineering challenges, such as the practical application of nuclear propulsion so we can truly unlock humankind's ability to explore among the stars. Second, we will ignite a thriving space economy in low Earth orbit. By working alongside international partners in industry, we can unlock the true economic potential of space and delivering deliver meaningful benefits to the American people. Potentially even charting a course for NASA to become a self sustaining, a financially self sustaining agency. Number three, NASA will be a force multiplier for science. We will leverage NASA's scientific talent and capabilities to enable academic institutions and industry to increase the rate of world changing discoveries. We will launch more telescopes, more probes, more rovers and endeavor to better understand our planet and the universe beyond. If confirmed, I will work alongside and recruit the most talented minds this nation has to offer. And we will concentrate our resources towards achieving the near impossible, the objectives that no other agency, company or institution is capable of accomplishing. We will do so knowing the risks and the groundbreaking opportunities that lie ahead. Because some risks, like exploring the worlds beyond ours, are worth taking. We will do this not just to expand our knowledge or strengthen our national security, but to improve all life here on Earth and inspire the next generation to reach even further. This is why America needs NASA, why the world needs NASA. Because there is no more important investment than inspiring our children to build a better and more exciting future. And that and the best way NASA can do that is by delivering on our mission and ushering in a new golden age of science and discovery. And we will not fail. Thank you.

[Maria Varmazas]

Isaacman went on to tell the Senate committee, I am not a typical nominee for this position. I have been relatively apolitical. I am not a scientist. I never worked at NASA. I do not think these are weaknesses. In fact, I believe President Trump found them to be strengths. He promised lawmakers that if confirmed, he would bring all of his experience to the greatest adventure in human history, the quest to discover the secrets of the universe. No wonder he's got such bipartisan support. Don't we all want to know those secrets? Intelsat has become the first and only satellite operator to complete a satellite life extension mission. The communications company shared that the Mission Extension Vehicle, or mev, added five years of reliable service and global connectivity to the Intelsat 901 satellite and its customers. The MEV was developed by Northrop Grumman Corporation's space logistics and successfully detached from IS901 after moving the satellite to the graveyard orbit, where the satellite will be decommissioned after nearly 24 years of service. The MEV first docked with is 901 in February of 2020, nearly 19 years after the satellite was first launched. Following this success, Intelsat partnered with Northrop Grumman on a second mission in 2021 using MEV2 to extend the life of Intelsat 10 02, a combination that remains in the US subsidiary of innovative space carrier Sirius Technologies has purchased 10 Ursa major small launch engines. Sirius Space has also announced a collaboration with ERSA Major on the development of a medium launch engine scaled from Ursa Major's Aeroway model. The agreement follows the approval of a Technical Assistance agreement by the U.S. department of State permitting the export of certain technical data related to the Hadley engine. The engines were purchased by ISE and delivered to Sirius Technologies in March 2024, which was a landmark approval between American and Japanese space technology companies that was among the very first of its kind. ISC Sirius selected Ursa Major to provide solutions for the development and testing of their ASCA reusable space vehicle in the United States, with an expected test launch later in 2025. The proposed development of that scaled medium launch engine will take place through 2028. Cituspace has formalized its intention to partner with Berlin based Reflex Aerospace. Cituspace signed a Memorandum of understanding with Reflex Aerospace at the Space Foundation's 40th Space Symposium here in Colorado Springs. The companies had previously signed a letter of intent at the Space Tech Expo Europe in November last year. This agreement formally establishes the framework to form a US Based joint venture focused on delivering solutions to meet diverse customer needs while strengthening their presence in the global markets. Space ISAC has announced a partnership with NASA's Space Communication and Navigation Program, also known as SCAN. The initiative was also announced at the 40th annual Space Symposium at the NASA booth. Space ISAC says it marks a major leap forward in advancing space security, resilience and innovation, and that concludes today's Intel Briefing. Head to the Selected Reading section of our show Notes for further information on all the stories mentioned in today's show. We've also got updates on yesterday's scrubbed United Launch Alliance Atlas V rocket carrying the Kuiper 1 mission for Amazon Project Kuiper and financial updates from Carmen Space and Defense Hey T minus crew. If your business is looking to grow your voice in the industry, expand the reach of your thought leadership or recruit talent, T minus can help you Help. We would love to hear from you. Just send us an [e-mail] or send us a note through our website so we can connect about building a program to meet your goals.

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[Maria Varmazas]

At the 40th Space Symposium in Colorado Springs today and I caught up with one of the lieutenant governors in attendance at this year's conference. Just yesterday, in fact, Oklahoma Lieutenant Governor Matt Pinnell is the National Chair of the Aerospace States Association's Policy Committee. Thank you so much for joining me today. Please tell me a bit about the incredible announcements I've been hearing out of Oklahoma in aerospace.

[Jared Isaacman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Pinnell]

You know, we're really planting our flag on aerospace for the future. Traditionally Oklahoma Oil and Gas state and will continue to be in some ways we're a lot of natural gas, some oil, but over 45% of our energy now is off renewables. So that's a big story as well. But aerospace, defense industry growth. We have a number of military bases in Oklahoma. Tinker Air Force Base for Sill Advance Air Force Base. That's what a lot of folks in the military have spent time there. But we're now really in space innovation as well. So Dawn Aerospace and Agile are two big announcements for us. And really the microgravity research piece of is something that we're really leaning into around our spaceport. So we have one of the 14 spaceports in the United States. One of the I think it's the second longest and widest Runway in the world. Burns flat Oklahoma kind of in western Oklahoma, but right off major thoroughfares. So it's another story that we are telling here at the space symposium.

[Maria Varmazas]

Yeah. Oklahoma has such a proud aero heritage, so it kind of just makes a lot of sense to move with the space as well.

[Matt Pinnell]

Yeah.

[Maria Varmazas]

Can you take me a little bit on the journey about Agile and Dawn coming to Oklahoma. I mean, those are very exciting announcements.

[Matt Pinnell]

Yeah, you know, I mean, I would give credit to our ACEs program and inside our Department of Commerce. So we care so much about aerospace and space innovation that we created a division in our Department of Commerce that all they do is hustle all day long trying to drive aerospace and space innovation in Oklahoma. So we met Don at one of these shows a few years ago. Really?

[Maria Varmazas]

Yeah.

[Matt Pinnell]

We go to the aerospace air shows around the country as well, so spent time with them at Farnborough last year. Well, we'll be at Paris Air show this year where we're really going to be doing a big announcement with Don at that Paris Air show.

[Maria Varmazas]

That is exciting.

[Matt Pinnell]

So, you know, I give credit. You know, a lot of people wonder, well, hey, do these, do these trade shows really matter? Are you just exchanging business cards like it. Does it drive an roi? And I can tell other states this drives roi. This drives business deals clearly in states and it clearly has for the state of Oklahoma.

[Maria Varmazas]

What's your pitch when you talk to them? I'd love to know. Yeah.

[Matt Pinnell]

Yeah. Well, I mean, certainly our energy costs are something. When you're talking about building a manufacturing facility, you need to heat it, cool it. We have some of the most affordable energy costs in the entire country. We have a technical education school in Oklahoma, Oklahoma CareerTech system that is world class. So these aerospace and space innovation companies can directly tap into technical education. And our flagship universities, both OU and OSU are doing world class research. It really started with weather. We have the National Weather center in Norman, Oklahoma at the University of Oklahoma. But we've really been leaning into aerospace and again, space innovation as well. Our engineering schools are some of the best in the country.

[Maria Varmazas]

I was going to say there's also what comes up a lot of these conferences is the synergies with the energy sort of consortium as well. So like workforce training, there's a lot of synergies there. So that's a great advantage as well.

[Matt Pinnell]

And I would say this too. The culture of Oklahoma is aerospace. It is flight. As you said, we have a long history of space innovation, flight innovation. And so you can't just plop down an aerospace company or a space innovation company in a state where that's not their culture, it's not what their legislatures are investing in. And that's really the message that we're delivering to companies here is, listen, it is our culture and we're investing in it. And you can't do that anywhere. And I'd say lastly, just Logistically, we're where east meets West. We're smack dab right in the middle of the country. Great rail, great highway systems, great interstate, great airport system around the state as well. That's very helpful of moving products out once we manufacture them.

[Maria Varmazas]

Now, a bit of a segue. You are part of the Aerospace States Association? Yes, yes. So I've interviewed them in the past. I'd love to know why and what's it doing for you?

[Matt Pinnell]

Well, I mean, listen, there's nothing more helpful to me than partnering and doing best practice work with other states that are in the aerospace industry. Right. So the Aerospace States association has been very helpful to me and it's really driving the policy that we need to be driving in this country today, too. Again, the further investment from the federal government. I mean, I don't know if there's been a more important time, frankly, for states to be waving, you know, screaming from the rooftops about why the federal government needs to continue to invest in our spaceports, just from a national security perspective. So I feel good and optimistic about that. But, you know, the Aerospace States association has a whole lot of responsibility today because of the changing in administrations and making sure that, again, the Trump administration and our U.S. congressmen and women understand they need to continue to invest in this industry.

[Maria Varmazas]

Absolutely. I'm curious about sort of any coalition, or maybe that's too strong a word.

[Matt Pinnell]

But no coalition's good.

[Maria Varmazas]

Have you been working with the other states in the asa?

[Matt Pinnell]

Regional corridors is kind of the other buzzword that we're kind of starting to use because these space sports need to be working together. Yes. Are they competing? Sure they are. But power in numbers matter. Not every spaceport is going to focus on the same type of space innovation. So, you know, we want to make sure that those regional corridors, maybe one is focused on microgravity research and another one is focused on, you know, rocket propulsion and, you know, jet manufacturing and maintenance, repair. When it comes to engine repair, we do that in the Tulsa area. So. So we're working through that. But those type of conversations have to happen with the Aerospace State Association. That's what they're there for. And those are the policy conversations that we're going to have the rest of this year.

[Maria Varmazas]

If you had your druthers, what kind of policy would you like to see?

[Matt Pinnell]

Well, again, it is that collaboration among states. And again, let's not overcomplicate it financially. A lot of the conversations, if I had my druthers, it would be making sure that everything from NASA is fully, we Certainly see, the private industry when it comes to competition is good. We like that competition.

[Maria Varmazas]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Matt Pinnell]

But we want to make sure that NASA is fully funded with their missions and our spaceports around the country get the help that they need so that these space entrepreneurs of the future have somewhere where they can set up shop. And we want them to be setting up shop at these spaceports for businesses.

[Maria Varmazas]

That are looking to come to Oklahoma. What are you looking for specifically?

[Matt Pinnell]

Yeah, well, again, that micro. Again, because of Dawn Aerospace and the flights that we're going to be able to. And multiple flights a day for that matter. So that microgravity research is something that we're very interested in. Again, agile over in the Tulsa area, when it just comes to the infrastructure needs. Right. Of, of sending things out, whether horizontal or vertical, that's something we're looking at as well. So it's really combining our maintenance repair history, we're the maintenance repair capital really of the world. With the American Airlines facility that we have in Tulsa, it's switching again from that to again taking those payloads that everybody wants to take into suborbital gravity into outer space. And I think those will be the companies, those are the companies we've been talking to the last couple days.

[Maria Varmazas]

Exciting.

[Matt Pinnell]

Will be the companies that we talk to in the future.

[Maria Varmazas]

Well, Lieutenant Governor, it's been a pleasure. Thank you so much for telling me all about what's going on in Oklahoma. I want to make sure I give you sort of the final word. Anything you want to leave us before we leave?

[Matt Pinnell]

Well, I mean, listen, those that are intrigued and want to learn more, you know, go search for Oklahoma Department of Commerce. That's a, a great central clearinghouse of all the incentives that we have. And you can connect with our ACEs program inside our Department of Commerce and start the conversation today of why Oklahoma is the best state in the country for aerospace innovation.

[Maria Varmazas]

Thank you so much for your time, sir. I appreciate it. We'll be right back.

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[Maria Varmazas]

Welcome back. And as you've probably gathered because I've said it a bunch of times in today's show, today is the last day of the 40th Space Symposium and the N2K team are, at the time of publishing, heading back to our three corners of the United States. Well done Alice and Liz. You killed it. Another massive thank you to Executive Producer Jen Ibin who has held down the fort for us back home this last week so we can all be here. Thank you Jen and I thought I'd also take a moment to summarize our experience at this conference this year. So needless to say, we've had a number of fantastic conversations, especially thanks to our partners at AWS and around the symposium floor. We can't wait to share those conversations with you in the coming weeks. And I have to say, judging by what I've seen at the floor and the conversations that I've had, it's pretty clear that the space industry is definitely primed for what's coming next. Next we're seeing a lot of maturity in technical capabilities and business offerings that we haven't seen in the past years. And I thought it was quite notable to see the presence of established, well known vendors from other non space sectors that are bolstering their space offerings and making their presence known here at symposium. It's pretty remarkable to see. So that is a step in the direction of space, not just being a space to space conversation as much anymore. And with the, shall I put it politely, tumult happening in the United States right now, depending on your point of view, people are either holding their breath or bracing for impact from the American point of view. Especially heard from Space Force General Saltzman yesterday. Things are trying to stay as much as business as usual as possible from other entities. However, not quite so sure if that's the case. I have to say Symposium has had an incredible international presence this year. I noticed many, many more European nations with their own individual booths this year. I think that may be a sign of some things to come. So keep an eye on that. That's it for T minus for April 10, 2025. Brought to you by N2K CyberWire for additional resources from today's report, check out our show [e-mail] we're privileged that N2K and podcasts like T Minus are part of the daily routine of many of the most influential leaders and operators in the public and private sector, from the Fortune 500 to many of the world's preeminent intelligence and law enforcement agencies. N2K Senior Producer is Alice Carruth. Our producer is Liz Stokes. We are mixed by Elliot Peltzman and Trey Hester with original music by Elliot Peltzman and a huge shout out to you both for really holding it down for us this week. Thank you. Our Executive Producer is Jennifer Ivan, Peter Kilby is our publisher and I am your host, Maria Varmazes. Thanks for listening. We will see you tomorrow. T minus.

[Matt Pinnell]

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