Brent Fisher (9:43)

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Maria Varmazas (10:26)

Our guest today is Grammy Award winning music composer and producer Brent Fisher. And by the way, Brent has just received another Grammy nomination for co Producing Al Que Balan 2 by artist Matt B. In the best global music album category. Congratulations, Brent. And as an artist, Brent has long been inspired by space and he spoke to me about bridging the gap between what space professionals know and what the public thinks they know about space.

Brent Fisher (11:02)

I like to say that I exist at the intersection of science, art, math and music. By profession I am a Grammy winning producer, composer, arranger. I've been in the music industry for a long time. However, that was because my father was also a Grammy winning producer, composer, arranger, and so I just followed in his footsteps. I didn't realize there was anything other to do. Had I not been born into the music industry, I probably would be working at JPL or SpaceX or someplace like that right now. Because my interest was always in math and science from the beginning. And when you think about it, music is a very scientific endeavor and it does involve a lot of calculating. And especially when I'm writing for a large orchestra, there are tremendous amounts of calculations that go on. And I've always been interested in the space program. I am connected with a lot of people in the space industry for many years now. I try and help facilitate connections between people in space industry that may not have met each other and also to be a purveyor of outside the box ideas for people in the space industry because I'm not constrained by the technology and the engineering and the physics that they have to deal with when I come up with an idea. And then also I like to help people in the space industry to, for lack of a better term, market the, you know, the great work that they're doing.

Maria Varmazas (12:37)

I love that. Brent. Well, thank you so much. Thank you so much for coming on the show. And you are definitely speaking my language because I feel like what you're speaking about is something I am very personally interested in. And I love getting perspectives like yours where you have such a fascinating view of so many different worlds in such depth and I really would love to just pick your brain on, especially since a lot of our listeners are in the space industry, for lack of better terminology. What are we getting wrong in terms of how we are talking to the broader public about like we're clearly not doing something right, so what are we getting wrong and what should we be doing differently?

Brent Fisher (13:20)

That's a great question. And I don't pretend to have all the answers, but I can just give you my perspective because I'm sort of. I've got, you know, one. One hand in both areas. And I would say that the big message that needs to come across to people who are just flipping through Instagram or something like that is the immediate relevance to their life. Why is it important? How is it going to benefit people on Earth? You know, I'm looking at the space industry stuff more on LinkedIn than on Instagram, but that's just me, because I like how we can get a little more technical and scientific. And even though sometimes it goes over my head, I can start looking up terms. And I'm hoping that other people are doing this too, but I think maybe some people need a little more handholding on this. But, but I love to see when people make a post that, you know, I did this part on this launch and, you know, happy to see it all come out okay. But again, if there, if there is a way to really cut through to immediate relevance to the average person. Yeah, if there were, if there are a way to get the point through to those people as well, I think then that would trickle on up into the parents. And also people in their late 20s, early 30s, as they got older and started going along with this mentality of this is seriously positive stuff that is happening.

Maria Varmazas (15:10)

The question that I wanted to ask, especially given you are an amazing musician and that is simplifying things hugely, but you understand how one communicates with the heart and that I feel like the emotional connection is often missing in the conversation when a lot of space people talk about space. And I wanted to get your perspective on maybe that appeal to emotion, which sometimes is said in a derogatory way, but things can seem very robotic from the space world of talking about these stories. And for some reason, people just cannot get excited about these things unless they're already sort of a space nerd. So how do we get. How do we make emotion cool from the space world? Maybe. Maybe that's my question.

Brent Fisher (15:56)

Right, right. No, that makes sense. And by all means, there are, I think there are some people that are doing some great work out there, getting the public involved and getting people excited. I mean, like, for instance, I've been a member of the Planetary Society for many, many decades now. And, you know, I think that's. That's sort of a good place for people who are not actually, you know, directly in the space or sciences. You know, I see people doing good things out there. What we, you know, we need to do here is something that would not only increase participation for children growing up that might be interested in engineering or something that could lead to a space industry career path at some point, but also that just getting these kids interested. How do you do that in the first place? Right.

Maria Varmazas (17:03)

Yeah.

Brent Fisher (17:04)

And I saw somebody had put a post. I've always been an advocate for STEAM rather than stem.

Maria Varmazas (17:11)

Indeed.

Brent Fisher (17:12)

Because I feel like if you include the arts, you help these sort of the gray areas. You help people function in gray areas. It helps with. They say that music will help your math capabilities, for example.

Maria Varmazas (17:31)

It definitely did for me personally. I mean, for a lot of us who struggled with math, I think music was so key for that. Yeah. Now I really want to talk about you also and the amazing things that you have done. And to me, you know, how space can inspire so many, including incredible artists like yourself. I would love to know a bit about your work and how, you know, space has inspired you in your creations and your work.

Brent Fisher (17:55)

Well, I was, you know, I was always interested in actually STEM while I was being an artist. My goal was to sort of create sonic architecture that could be admired on an intuitive level by people who didn't have any training. But for the people who did have the training, they could go in and listen to stuff and just sort of be amazed. Because when I'm amazed by something very, very detailed, like, let's say if I'm, you know, again, I don't want to spend too much time on orchestral music, but that's probably some of the most complicated music that there is. I also, you know, played in rock bands and jazz bands. I've done pop gigs, the works, you know, I. A couple of the Grammy Awards that I've been a part, you know, contributed to, those are in the field of R and B. So I've done a little bit of everything here. But when you're dealing with a large orchestral. Like a large orchestral piece that somebody has written, and it's really well constructed, you know, I. I think. I feel like. I feel like that's the same type of Rush as, you know, I compare it to sort of unlocking the, you know, the. The secrets of quantum mechanics and the nature of the universe.

Maria Varmazas (19:13)

Yes.

Brent Fisher (19:14)

And I think these things can be related if we. If we look a little deeper into how they're all put together. So that's what I was thinking about all the time as I was making music. And that manifested itself in numerous different ways. Like I said, I have never stuck to just one style or another. There are People who know me, for example, only as a jazz big band leader. There are other people who know me for the work that I've done in the Latin jazz field. And I've won a Grammy also in the Latin jazz areas. But, you know, I've also played in plenty of rock bands. I enjoy heavy metal as much as I enjoy, you know, a jazz trio. And you know, for me, it's not so much the style or the genre, it's the creativity. Right. Creativity can manifest itself in any form. A good idea is a good idea and then the rest is just the packaging. So. And there is quite often. And I think one of the things that can, when people get to know some of the music that I've worked on, that makes my music a little more recognizable than other people who are, let's say, just sticking to one genre is that I will take ideas from one genre. I'll take a great idea that I heard in a jazz song and I'll put that in a pop setting or vice versa. And so I'm not just getting my ideas. I'm not just, you know, like, let's say a rock guy who's getting all of his rock and roll ideas from other rock bands. You know, I might. I might get an idea from, you know, an edm, like a dance electronica tune and put that into a rock song or put it into a classical piece that I'm working on for, you know, a string orchestra. So. And that's because the building blocks of all this stuff is universal and so is the nature of the universe.

Maria Varmazas (21:29)

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