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A (8:10)

Today's guest is Felipe Machado, Commercial Sales Director at OPW Clean Energy Solutions CPC Cryolab. We had our chat at Commercial Space Week in Orlando, Florida just a few weeks ago.

C (8:24)

So my name is Felipe. Today I lead sales, marketing and product for the OPW Clean Energy Solutions, which is part of the Dover Corporation. And we are here because we play an exciting role on the aerospace, especially on the infrastructure build. So this is what led us to come here today.

A (8:42)

That's awesome. So tell me a bit about the company. Let's get into a little bit of detail, the kind of work you all do.

C (8:48)

Yeah. So Dover Corporation is a Fortune 500 company. We play in many different industrial segments and aerospace is becoming one of them because as you know, aerospace is now going from that phase of no longer experimental type of industry. It's becoming more industrial. So a lot of companies are jumping to this space. And a few years ago Dover put together a cryogenic platform so it acquired five different companies all over the world. And with that expertise and capabilities put together now we are serving a lot of the space companies with ground support infrastructure. So essentially all the transfer lines that goes from the storage tank to the rocket and we act more on the cryogenic side. So bringing all that cold fuel like liquid oxygen, liquid hydrogen, liquid methane, we make sure Everything is keep very cold so they don't have any issues on the launch operation.

A (9:48)

Yeah, yeah. So I imagine you all have been very busy lately. I imagine you also have a large presence probably down here at Kennedy. Where else are you all working out of?

C (9:58)

Yeah, so we have plants in different places of the US So we have one in Minnesota, we have one in Georgia, one in Pennsylvania, and one in North Carolina. We also support the vaporizers from the California side, but we play globally, as I said. So we have a plant in China, Germany, and a couple in the Netherlands.

A (10:20)

Interesting. So tell me a bit about what you all have been doing specifically with space programs. So anything with Artemis potentially.

C (10:28)

Yes. We actually did supply some cryogenic valves for preparing for the launch.

A (10:34)

Yeah.

C (10:34)

So we are very excited about that. And in fact, our annual strategy kickoff and sales meeting will be in Orlando. So potentially we could see as a group, you know, everything that we collaborated with that process. So, yeah, it's a critical role because we do a lot of the behind the scenes that nobody sees. So it's very exciting to see the rocket going up. We work a few steps back before that. So essentially, you know, all the, like I said, the fuel that goes into the rocket, we have to make sure there is no heat leak or, you know, everything is very stable for the launch.

A (11:13)

Yeah.

C (11:13)

And more recently, like I said, we are modernizing the infrastructure, which means we are also working with the space companies to reduce the launch window of the rockets. So getting more infrastructure in place actually helps them to accelerate the whole process.

A (11:31)

What does it mean to modernize that part of infrastructure?

C (11:35)

Yeah, So a lot of the launch pads Today in the US they have been sitting for more than 50 years.

A (11:41)

Yeah, yep.

C (11:43)

So as the, you know, the logistics is heating up, literally, we see the need to help them, you know, with all the cryogenic solutions, making sure, like we are responding to their specs and whatever requirements they have now, like I said, have bigger bore sizes for the, for the pipes.

A (12:02)

Yeah.

C (12:03)

To bring the fuel from the storage place to the, to the rocket.

A (12:06)

Yeah. Different fuel types also, I would imagine the different. Yeah, the new ones. Yeah.

C (12:11)

Yes. There is that complexity too because some companies, they use liquid oxygen and liquid methane, but others are using liquid hydrogen. And sometimes it's a mix of everything. So we work very closely with the companies to understand their specs and requirements. So we give them the proper, you know, the proper hardware in place.

A (12:30)

Yeah, yeah. So what do you think people should know about not just the work that you all do, but maybe in terms of where this kind of key infrastructure fits in with like the space ecosystem especially. I'm thinking about a lot of the businesses that are here and that would be potentially working with you all or that you all might be supplying. What would you like them to know?

C (12:53)

Yeah, I think it's important to show, like I said before, we, you know, we are leaving this era of moving from experimental to scale.

A (13:03)

Yeah.

C (13:03)

So when we look back in the, in the airports from the 40s and 50s, like you only had a few takeoffs and landings and now we are talking about hundreds of launches per year. So that difference in scale is bringing a lot of expertise and industrial players to play a key role in the industry. And I think the cryogenic side is very interesting because it's the way you manage energy on the ground side, but also in space. So it becomes extremely mission critical type of topic to address.

A (13:40)

Yeah.

C (13:41)

And I think we, you know, we are starting to supply more and becoming more influent in this area, but at the same time we see other players that are, let's say, expanding the ecosystem, which is what we need today.

A (13:55)

Yes, yeah. So I'm thinking about, I imagine in a business like yours, planning for the future must of course very critical, but also must be extraordinarily challenging given what you are physically working with and that there are all these new players that are always coming into the market, especially from the commercial side with very different specifications and requirements. What is that like for you while managing that?

C (14:23)

Yeah, no, that's an excellent question. I think one of the benefits we have with our company today is we play in different segments that are also mission critical and they deal with cryogenics like data centers, nuclear fusion and you name it. So every time there is a molecule in the cryogenic state, we are probably there working to move it from one place to another. So I think this exchange of experiences in different segments also helps us to bring more knowledge and more experience. Experience. So we don't start from zero.

A (14:58)

Yeah.

C (14:58)

Also the fact that we work very closely with the, the gas majors which also produce the molecules.

A (15:05)

Yes. Yeah.

C (15:06)

You know, that, that visibility of the entire chain, you know, also plays a key role for us to, to be one of the pioneers and leading companies in this, in this segment.

A (15:17)

Yeah. I was going to ask about other industries that were all work and you mentioned nuclear. And that is also an area with, especially with space ports that's becoming a whole. Like there's a lot of crossover there in these areas. This must be, that must be really interesting as well.

C (15:30)

It is so There are some solutions that we can carry from one segment to another and kind of leverage that experience. But segments like nuclear fusion, they are so unique and specific.

A (15:45)

Oh yeah.

C (15:46)

To make everything stable.

A (15:47)

Yeah.

C (15:49)

But yes, we, we see a little bit of that crossover. You know, there are plans and missions. They are trying to build this, you know, nuclear reactors on the moon, you know, like to today seems a bit of a pie in the sky idea, but I'm sure decades from now is going to be the norm.

A (16:03)

Yeah, that's, it's amazing. We didn't think all that long ago that, you know, a couple thousand satellites was even possible and now we're at over 10,000 easily and we're looking at hundreds of thousands and. Yeah, right.

B (16:12)

Yeah.

A (16:13)

It's amazing how fast things have changed. So I'm wondering for you from your point of view, what are you most excited about in terms of what you see specifically within the space industry?

C (16:21)

You know, I think one of the most exciting things for me today is to see the, let's say, the conversion point of all the different missions from the military side, civil and commercial, all coming together to try to really, you know, firm up the building blocks and go to the scale that I mentioned. I think this is the, the part that is going to become more natural when we see, you know, aerospace is no longer like, okay, the, you know, the science fiction type of industry is more like it's part of our day to day. When you look at the window, if you're here in Florida, you see a launch every other day, it's like whatever.

A (17:01)

People just go, what?

C (17:02)

Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. So I think that part is amazing. Something that becomes natural. I was in one of the panels today and watching the panel and one of the persons said he's trying to build this capability and making these conversations about having astronauts in the moon, visiting, not just flying by, but visiting the moon, something more natural for our grandchildren. So I think that part is very exciting, like when you make that a normal conversation, something more natural than just here's another mission. So that part I think is amazing. We are here to support the industry. If there is any needs or requirements, things that we can help. On the cryogenic side, we will be more than happy to support the companies that are already in place, but also the ones that are coming to this segment now. We're very glad to support everyone.

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