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Takin’ a Walk with Buzz Knight: Ziggy Marley on Music's Healing Power and His Grammy-Winning Legacy
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Ziggy Marley
How are you doing?
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Podcast Host
I'm doing fantastic thank you so much. So Bright side is amazing. I want to congratulate you on Bright side. We also have this other podcast that's called Music Save Me. That's very much in line with some of your thinking or much of your thinking around Bright side. I want to talk about your decision to record at 432Hz rather than 440Hz. Can you walk us through that moment? You decided, was this a spiritual decision, a sonic one, or both?
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Ziggy Marley
Well, at first it was just like an experiment, you know, ever since I started doing music, I was always reading up and trying to find, just get more information about music and the effects of music on human beings and how frequencies work and sonically, what. What do. What do sound waves do to people? So I was always like just researching ideas. I came upon, you know, some information about 432 hertz. And I like what it said, you know, so frequency, that's close to the human frequency meditation. Other stuff that it said was cool. I like, I was like, oh yeah, this sounds cool. But then I actually tried it because I was searching for something. I was searching for something different and just trying to see, oh, where I could push the music, where I could push my song. And so I was like, all right, let me try this 432 thing. It sounds interesting. And so I started using it maybe last year, like the latter part of last year on my live shows, you know, started rehearsing and did it live. And the first thing I found out about it was that I like how I sing on that frequency. Like my voice, like it fits. Me personally, it fits. I guess it fits my frequency. And so I did. I like that I like I sounded singing on it. And then it's just. I don't know, it just felt good. It felt, it felt good. It. It connect with me. That. That frequency connects with me. And so I just started using that frequency and I would never go back to 440 hertz. And I spoke to a couple people about it, some friends of mine. I spoke to Aston Bart Jr. Who is. Is the son of the base player who used to play for my father, family man. And he was giving me because he, he and his father talked a lot before they passed about the music and what the Wheelers used to do and stuff like that. So he was like, yeah, this 432 thing is like, I heard about it and I think my father said that, you know, back in the day they used to tune that way before, before them start tuning the 440 I was like, oh, that's cool. I'm on the right path then, you know? And so I feel like it's just like, to me, in my mind, it feel like it was a way that was done, but then that people got off of it because the standardization of tuning and stuff like that. So I was very happy to go back to it and feel good and just again, to just be different than generally what is going on out there. I was very happy to be different too, you know. So, yeah, I feel good about it. I like it.
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Podcast Host
You've described this album as intentionally therapeutic. Yeah, I love that. I love those. Those words. When you're in the studio, how do you balance, you know, being an artist and then being a healer?
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Ziggy Marley
Well, you have to heal yourself, you know, physician, heal thyself, you know, so it's like, for me, this album was a healing for me personally. I really did this album for myself, you know, expressing my own thing. And just the 432 hertz, it's for me. I did it for me. And so, yeah, the songs, the words are, the songs, everything. A really deep personal meaning to me. I didn't do it for audience. I didn't do it. I never thought about, like, oh, let me do this for the people out there, you know, I really did it for me as a human being, not even just as an artist, but as a human being who's going through some stuff and needed. Needed to find an outlet, needed to find a relief, needed to find a way to express myself and needed to find the bright side of things, you know, so that's the first thing. And so I am a human being, obviously, and we're all human beings and we all go through some stuff. And so I think there's a connection with what I got you and what other human beings go through in this world today. And I think that's how it becomes more. If it can become more to other people. And great. But like I said, this record, I really felt personal, and I really felt like I did it for myself as my own medicine, as my own therapy, you know, as my own. For my own healing, you know.
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Podcast Host
You built Rebel Lion Studios from the ground up.
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Ziggy Marley
Yeah.
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Podcast Host
I wonder if you can sort of take us in there and talk about, you know, how this was designed, who helped you with it, and what it meant to create a space that's truly yours.
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Ziggy Marley
You know, it's a great step, that great achievement. For me, personally, in my life, it was always a dream. It was a dream, and my father had a dream. And I saw him fulfill his dream. He built his studio, he built his thing. And as a musician, I guess as an independent musician, too, like, the more independent I can be is the better it is for me. You know, usually I have a little room in a house or a little guest house somewhere where I set up my studio in a garage somewhere. But I always needed to go somewhere else to do other things, whether it be rehearsing or, you know, a good setup with a band. And so I always had a dream of having a nice studio space for myself that I needed, that I didn't need to go anywhere else. And so Rebel Lion Studio, I mean, it came in such a. The perfect timing. Everything happened in perfect timing for this record. Everything fell into. Into the right place, which I appreciate. And I give credit to, like, the universe for doing that, for, like, setting me up in such a great way that I could have a new space and do a new album and just everything. And we work with a person that we always work with. But the thing with studios, for me, my space especially, is that the technical aspect of it is important, but is a vibrational space, you know, and as I said, I feel like that's. I feel like, you know, because it's hard to explain these things to people who might not understand the things I understand for myself or believe the things I believe. I know the things I know. But the universe is guiding us, you know, from ever since. It's always been, I hear my father say, it's not us doing it, it's God. It's God doing it, you know, so it's like. And I know this. I experienced this enough to know that in my life, there's always a guide. There's always a reason for things happening. And the studio, Rebellion Studio is one of those things that fell into place that connected to what I was doing in the music and connected to where I'm going in music. It was an empty space where someone come up and say, this is going to be the. When we got the worst, I was like, yes, I can put a studio. Because the idea was to put, like, an office to have offices there and, you know, my business. And, oh, yeah, I can't put a studio here now, finally, so we start planning it out. And Mike Shupan, who engineered and mixed the record, is a person that kind of wired the studio and did all the groundwork for the studio. So it was a very organic, connective thing that happened on this record that none of us have ever experienced before making a record over all these years. How we made this one. We built a studio. The guy that built the studio recorder album was just. It was so like. We call that again, that thing that like the connectivity and everything that happened with this record is very special. This record is very special for me, you know, and everything that led up to it and the studio and the whole thing was something I experienced in my life that have great meaning to me, you know, I love.
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Podcast Host
I could feel the contagious spirit of your excitement and your joy of it.
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Ziggy Marley
Yeah.
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Podcast Host
As I was thinking about the studio, I was thinking about a story that a dear friend of mine who passed away some time ago who interviewed your dad, Steve Morse from the Boston Globe. Steve told me when I interviewed him for this podcast, this fantastic story about going up to a hotel room somewhere in Boston and interviewing your dad. And your dad was kicking around a soccer ball in the. In the space. In the hotel space.
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Ziggy Marley
Yeah.
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Podcast Host
Blast with the soccer ball. So in the studio area, is there any place for physical activity, a soccer ball to be kicked around like that?
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Ziggy Marley
You know, we never leave that out. We play soccer anywhere. Like you said, my father was in. That's how we do it. We have a nice big room there that, you know, we juggle ball. We call it juggling, juggle ball. But soccer, soccer is always at the. The soccer ball is a staple anywhere we are. It's studio. Who owns that one in the room. It's something that we love to do and the studio, I mean, what also lent a great vibe to the studio is that we had two replicas of my father backdrop, one of Haile's last time, one of Marcus Garvey that we put in their life. It was a big. So the walls are covered with these two magnificent artwork replicas which Neville Garrick, who was the art director for Bob, helped Paramount Studios put it together for the movie. When we were making the movie, I was lucky enough to get that. And that just like connect me with the history and the past. And it just had a great imagery and had a great energy to that live room that we have in the studio. So, yeah, it's like art is a part of art, you know, like the art of it and the visual of it is a part of the vibration of it also. So it's cool.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, I love it. So on the new music on Bright side, you got Nika Costa, Trombone Shorty, Sheila E. Maybe some other folks you want to talk about. A remarkable group of people there that you collaborated with. What's the common thread that connects them all with bright side and with you,
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Ziggy Marley
I think the common trend is like common, common thread is humility, spirituality, love of music, love of the message that we're putting out in the music. It's like, it's a, you know, we have that camaraderie with like music being something special, music being something art that we all put work into it, we all respect it to that level of trying to create it to the best quality and ability that we have. You know, because in today's world, you know, you have AI making music, you have like quick ways to make music, you have quick ways to get hits and all this type of stuff. But for us and those who were involved in this record, it was never about making a hit or do the quick way or try to follow a trend. It was all about what the music wants us to be and wants us to put into it. So I think a great respect for the art of making music is what connects all of us. And there's a spirituality in that also and an acknowledgement of the power of music. I think that's what it is. It was not commercial endeavor for all of these people. It was a really heartfelt endeavor. And we all have that same love for the music.
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Podcast Host
You know, you co produced it with your brother Stephen as well. Talk about what that brotherly creative dynamic, what sort of force that is. Do you finish, finish each other's sentences in terms of how you guys think and work and. And give us a little behind the scenes there?
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Ziggy Marley
Yeah, well, Steve and me, right, so we grew up together. So Steve has been playing music with me from we were little kids, from. We had one tip from. We had one tip player to two tier player to a four truck to eight track to whatever track, you know, and so we have all, we have all this experience together playing music and just being together. So we have a great vibe and we spend a lot of time with our father. You know, me and Steve, like out of all of us as kids, it was me and him that was around Bob the most. So we also have that kind of we call osmosis, like of being around the energy and understanding the energy, understanding music, learning so much from those experiences. And so yeah, I feel like. And as my brother, like, I was like, yo, I have all this stuff, I'm building new studios, yo, come, you know, it's like, it's like when it's like, it's like back in there when you get something new and you want to share to, you know those closely. Oh, come on, let's share this, bro. This is I've got this new thing. Come check it out. You know, I've got this new frequency. I've a new student. Yo, come. Come check. Come work with me on this one. I'm saying. Yeah, it's just like. I mean, Steve, understand me, understand the music, and we don't have to talk a lot. It's just like, quick tidbits from him, especially, like, you know, try this or try that or, you know, bring down the key. It's not. It's not a lot of, like. It's not a lot of theoretic. It's not a lot of, like, planning, like, how you doing? It's like listening and being spontaneous and instinctively with the music. It's not a very, like, academic endeavor. It's a more creative, natural endeavor, you know, so that's how it work out, you know, so it was good to have him.
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Podcast Host
And we don't want to take the fun out of it, right? You want to? Yeah. Racism is a killer. That is a pretty un. Flinching title. What made that the right moment to put that statement into the world?
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Ziggy Marley
Well, like I tell you before, it's not me. It comes to me, right? It comes to me, and it comes at the time when it's supposed to come. I've seen this happen to me all the while, throughout the years with music, and I never question it. I never asked why. And it's not always understood or acknowledged by anybody. Only those who see it understand. All those who. Only those who feel it know it. I didn't decide the time for the. For the song. I didn't decide it. I didn't. I don't know there's a reason why it is there, and I have not. I have not come up with my own understanding why. Why do I. Why is this song no. Well, I think time will tell, and it's telling. No, and I think. I know what we said was that we wanted to come out. We wanted to put out like, it was one. It was one of the first songs we put out. And we know commercial it might not be viable because just the title alone, people kind of like, squirm, like, what is he. You know, like, for example, if I'm. I went under some TV shows, they don't want me to do that song on the TV shows. The title of it might be. I don't know what. There's something about that that they. They. It's not. So I. And we knew that, but we wanted this. We wanted to come out without compromising what we want to say. Or how. How we want to say it, you know, So I know. I think that song came from I experiences over the years, but I think it sparked. It kind of reignited in me after the George Floyd killing that I saw on tv, because I don't think I've ever seen something like that ever. Like, imagine people in the past who used to say, you know, strange fruit hanging from the tree. You know that song Strange Fruits. I think Nina Simone did that thing like that. So in a way, as I said, who feels it, knows it. And when you see something for yourself, you can't. It kind of. It kind of send a shock or a wake up call or something to you as a human being. And I think that was my response in a way to that, what I saw, that racism is a killer. And it's, it's. I mean it's historically true obviously, but that moment was when like that kind of started to fester inside of me that thought that racism is a killer and how putting it to people in that way, in such a plain and truthful way without sugar coating that statement is, is so true to what racism is in the song. I, I kind of refer to it as a virus, you know, because it's not about alienating anyone, but it's about having people understand certain things, you know, So I really didn't want to say Tom is a racist or John is a racist or, you know, these people, these certain people is a racist. But racism is a sickness. It's a disease that is. That permeates society. We need to get rid of that disease, that virus. It's like a pandemic, almost just like Covid was. And that's what I related it to, that COVID pandemic. This is a virus that is destroying humanity and we have to find a cure for this virus. Yeah. And music is a part of the cure, you know, so we just, we're just a part of the cure. The research. The research. You know, if I figure out how we going to get rid of this virus from humankind, you know, or get at least diminish its impact on society as much as we can, you know,
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Podcast Host
mental health is woven, you know, throughout the album has. Has your own relationship with mental health and well being evolved over the years and, and did, did making bright side change you in any way?
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Ziggy Marley
Yeah, well, this mental health thing. Right. And you know, I said this mental health thing, this is how we used to talk about it coming. I really understand it. When we're growing up, I even acknowledge it as something, but as the world change, as society change, as we get more modernized and technologized and just like stuff like that, I feel like it. It brings us to another place, you know, and even as we. As we start to open up about it and see it more expressed and understood and acknowledged, yeah, you have time to look within yourself and suss out yourself. I mean, we all go through some things in life, you know, whether internally, within our own, caused by internal things, are caused by external things, by the world or by what's happening in your own life while go through some stuff. But it's not something that I really paid any attention to for myself. But I see it happening to me and, you know, people around me see it happening to me at times. And I'm like, what you talking about, man? No, I just, you know, I'm just chilling or whatever. But there is times where you feel down, you know, there's time when you feel down. I have questions that is hard for answer. I have thoughts that is hard to understand. And I started kind of, I guess, thinking about things in a deeper level. I think a lot of things. Firstly with my father. Exploring my father as an emotional, mental human being. And not just as a father or as an object of. Of admiration, but as a human being. I think that. I think I started down that trail. It's been. It's been a few years as I get older. And so emotionally, I started to open up more emotionally about that. And then, I mean, the situation in the world is sometimes depressing also. And I remember writing why let the world. Why let the world trouble me? And because we do care. We do care about other. Other people. Beside myself, we do have a lot of empathy and compassion at times. Even though we might not be suffering in certain way, we still in some way relate to other people's suffering too. And it affects me in a way because I care a lot. And so while the world was. I wrote that song because I needed to, like, stop for a second to take that. That almost like hopelessness out of me. I needed to see the bright side. I needed. I needed something to just give me a break. Because a lot of the struggles we face is mental. A lot of the. A lot of the things we talk about with the fight against a system that trifle oppressed me is mental oppression. Really, the first oppression is when we get demoralized or when we get so depressed that we are unable to see the other side of the fence. And so I was, you know, I was in that space. And the songs and album helped Me to get out of that space or, you know, at least start. Find my way through that. That jungle. Navigate. Give me a better. A better view to navigate my mental state and my emotional state. And these songs helped me. And I think really the first time I've went so deep within my own self to express things inside of me. I don't think I've ever done it this way before. No, I've never done it this way before. This is the first time I feel like I went really, like deep inside of me. I mean, I've written songs before that, yet good and, you know, have good messages and good ideas and. And was great for me. But in some way this is a more deeper thing, a more emotional thing. These songs are more emotional to me. Even when I'm singing them, I'm rehearsing to go on tour, they hit me different than the other songs. I sing these songs for some reason, them feel different to me.
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Podcast Host
You know, many mourn for Bob. A profound tribute to your father. What was it like for you to write that song? And was there a moment in that process that stopped you cold?
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Ziggy Marley
Yes, I could analogy, but it's not exactly that. But it's. It's very close to it, as I said. And this is a part of my journey mentally. Talk about mental health. Emotional health is. There's a lot of things locked away in. In the subconscious that when you start dealing with your mental health, your emotional health, it comes back to the forefront. Like, oh yeah, that happened. Oh yeah, I remember that. Oh yeah, that. Oh, that's real. And when you start explore yourself and go deeper in yourself, you find things out or you find ways for express stuff that you don't even know to talk about it, but you know, to sing about it, you know, because I don't think I could talk about that song. Like, what I express in that song is not something I can express by talking. But hey, you know, it could only be expressed in song. And I think one of the moment that. That your analogy of Stopping Cole was the moment I realized that this was not just my song, this was also my father's son. This was not just me writing a song about my father, but this was also my father. It's like kind of make a. A light of it saying it's. It's the first collab I've had with my father. Like, you know, people to collapse, you know, like, my father was my collaborate. My father was my writing partner in this song. And that's the stop call. That's. That's the moment, like, this is not just me. It's like. And, you know, when I write my song, especially this song, I'm. This is the time when I'm alone. And the spirituality, the connectivity of it, the reality, the realization of the experience that I'm having while writing this song is a very spiritual and personal experience. And I came to the understanding that, yeah, this is not just you. Your father is involved in this thing. This is not just you. This is my conclusion was that, you know, this song, my father could have sung this song. This could have been a song that he sung. And that was my final like, like, you know, like, all right, I'm getting out of that. That. That shock, that space of, like, stopping cold and just realizing this song is like, my father could have sing this song. It's his song too, you know?
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Podcast Host
Yeah, that's that boy. Thank you for sharing that. As you go out on tour and you connect out with the audiences that just love seeing you, I know for you, it's also very important. Your Urge work is a massive effort and one that's doing so much good. Unlimited resources, giving enlightenment, building schools, operating health clinics. How, when you go out on the road, can you make people even more aware of that work so they can offer to help you in your mission?
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Ziggy Marley
Well, you know, we have a deal sometimes with some of the shows and that we do that, and people don't even know they're helping that, but they help by buying, coming to the shows, because there's like a dollar from every ticket goes towards the foundation. So people help him without knowing they're helping. And you know what I encourage people to do, because giving is not just about giving. Like, you know, building school and stuff like that. That's why Urge is like giving enlightenment. That's a part of it. But, like, having love and compassion is also a part of it. Like, having care is also a part of it. And what I tell people, you know, when people ask me about Urge and I'm, so what can we do? I tell people say, because I don't like solicit. I don't like soliciting people for stuff. I don't. I don't. It's just. I don't like it. I'm not that type of person. You know, I mean, we do some stuff, but I don't like asking people for stuff. You know, what I tell people to do whenever they might as well. Urge, how can I help her? Just say, listen, look, in your own community, that's how you help. Urge. Check your Community. Check your own community first. There's people needing help right around you. Like, that's how you're going to help me, by helping your community. That's what I'm about. That's what URGE is about. Urge is not about just helping. Urge. Urgent, about helping your own community where you are. And that's what I tell people first. Do that first before you even think about, hey, let me, you know, send something to Ziggy's foundation. Look, look, in your community, there's people needing help right around you. Start there, you know, so that's, that's what URGE is to me, more now than ever.
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Podcast Host
We need to help our community, so I applaud you for that. You're hitting some great venues. Red Rocks and Hollywood Bowl. Whoa, Ziggy, that's sensational. And Tanglewood, too, not far from here. Iconic stages that people are going to get a chance to, to see you at. And I know everybody's looking forward to it. And celebration also of Bright side as we close Ziggy, since we call the podcast Taking a Walk, I want to ask you, we call this our dream walk question. If you can take a walk with somebody, living or dead, who would you take a walk with and where would you take that walk with them?
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Ziggy Marley
Even besides my father. Because you know that the answer is going to be my father. But I mean, let's go besides my father. Got that one. That one obvious. I would take a walk with them with a man that them said live couple thousand years ago. His name was Yeshua. People call him Jesus or whatever, but Yeshua, I'll take a walk with him. And I would take a walk with him somewhere in Hawaii, like just some mountains up in Hawaii that really like our beach. A nice beach walk would be nice too. But I would walk with Yeshua. I don't know.
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Podcast Host
You could bring your father along, too.
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Ziggy Marley
Yeah, the three of us could take a walk. His, his, his teaching, his philosophy has been a big part of my growth of my life. And in some ways, I went to a Catholic high school, you know, so we read a lot of New Testament Jesus, but I, I came up with my own, like, my own relationship that has nothing to do with how the church teaches or how people see it. So I have my own, like, thing going on with that. That's like, you know, I have a different understanding. So if that, that would be the guy would I like, walk with, you know, he's a great teacher. He's a great. He's a great example a rabbi, you know, But I love to have a talk with him, you know, but like not, not even, just not even say to like, oh, tell me something, please. It's like a back and forth almost like a debate or a discussion concerning things, you know.
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Podcast Host
Oh, that's great. Ziggy Marley, it's been an honor having you on. I'm so grateful for everything that you give us. Bright side, congratulations on it. Congrats on the tour and than all that you give us. And thanks for being on taking a walk.
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Ziggy Marley
Love it, man. Love, love. Thanks for having us, man. I love taking a walk with you, brother. Thank you so much.
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Podcast Host
Thank you.
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