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"Celebrating Timeless Rhymes: De La Soul's The Grind Date Turns 20"
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Larison Campbell
Yazoo Clay keeps secrets.
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Unknown Speaker
7,000 bodies out there or more.
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Larison Campbell
A forgotten asylum cemetery.
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Unknown Speaker
It was my family's mystery.
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Larison Campbell
Shame, guilt, propriety. Something keeps it all buried deep until it's not. I'm Larison Campbell and this is under Yazoo Clay. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Unknown Speaker
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley season one.
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Gilbert King
Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
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Unknown Speaker
I was becoming the bridge between Jeremy Scott and the son he'd never known.
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Gilbert King
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
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Unknown Speaker
Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2 starting April 9 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Buzz Knight
Taking a walk.
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Unknown Speaker
You know you love music. You can have the amazing records that your parents could have in the house and you're just listening and you love music. But then listening to AM radio and all the cool, amazing records that now they consider yacht rock or whatever. Like, you know, whether it was Boston and Chicago or Steely Dan and Doobie. Buddy. All that we were disaffected by in such a positive way.
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Buzz Knight
Welcome to this episode of Taking a Walk with your host Buzz Knight, where we're honored to have POS from the legendary hip hop group De La Soul. Joining us today, we celebrate the 20th anniversary of their iconic album, the Grind Date. Let's take a walk down memory lane with pause as we explore the making of this timeless album and its lasting impact on music on the Taking a Walk podcast.
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POS
Well past, thanks for being on Taking a Walk. I really appreciate it. And since the podcast is called Taking a Walk, I did want to ask you, if you could take a walk with somebody, living or dead, who would you take a walk with? And where would you take a walk with them?
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Unknown Speaker
Wow, that's an amazing question. Living or dead? So many people I would want to do that with. You know what? Wow. If I may be honest, I would want to take a walk with my mother. I lost my mother in 1980. She died, like, right after I graduated, so I lost her in 1987. So I would take a walk with my mom because I would want to just take a walk with her and see if she approved of how I, you know, how I've been as a father to my five kids. And I would love to take a walk with my mother.
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POS
That's sweet. Thank you for sharing that. I appreciate it. So congratulations the. The 20th anniversary of the Grind Date and you've put out a really amazing compilation of studio work bonus tracks. Just a real love affair with the, with the Grind Date production and album and release. Tell me how it feels going back and kind of working through all that and how continues to feel so fresh.
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Unknown Speaker
I mean, it's a, it's always for me a blessing, you know. Grind Date, you know, you're talking about. We're already like, we were already six something albums in and you know, you, you get to this point to still be creating an album and, and be. Be a part with two other people that feel still dedicated to, to making quality music, trying different things and, and just, you know, have like a sense of goodness when it comes to creating and wanting to create and then to now have that thing you created come up on an anniversary this far down the line and people still feel it's relevant, it still feels fresh. And even to myself it feels that way. You know, I just, I just really step back and feel like I'm blessed because, you know, you know, when you're creating in the moment, I don't, I don't know if you really say, like, and I want this to be here forever, you know, like, if I say something now, you know, it should, you know, I want it to be relevant. You just never know. So let alone feel like it's not dated. And so I feel like it feels Great, man. It feels good and I'm just proud of it. And yeah, to even know some. The songs that. For the. For the reasons at the time that we left off of the album that we can now add it. And it. It feels like, you know, we got people hitting us now like, wow, why did you even leave that off? Why didn't you include this? And, you know, so it's. It's. It's just an honor.
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POS
You know, I love how it's. It's so. It's so great for the fans to be able to not only go back, but to find those, you know, those gems that, you know, have suddenly appeared. And that's so cool. What was so amazing about that whole album as well was so many of the collaborators that were part of it. Can you talk about that? Because it was full of additional, you know, friends and support who really, you know, made a big difference on it, obviously.
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Unknown Speaker
Definitely. I mean, wow. I mean, you figure JD or Dilla, you know, he was someone from. Since the Stakes Is High album, you know, we felt like whatever consists of him, he. He will. We just felt like he will always be an ingredient on any project we do from that point on. So, you know, you figure when Grind Date was, when we started working on there, we. He was one of the first guys we. We hit. We love MattLB. Always loved MattLib. We were running in, out. In and out of a lot of places with. With Doom. And so, you know, we saw how close he had this relation, this music relationship, relationship with him. So we definitely look forward to, like, hey, let's try something. Let's look into what he could bring to the table and with us. And he. I mean, wow. I mean, like, the amount of music he gave to us to listen to, it was so much like. It was almost like I would just spend days, like, you know, just like, wow. Like, this is incredible. And we tried actually a lot of different things to. To some of his music. So it was just great to have that mind state that Matlab had to then marry ourselves to, to who and what he is. And Super Dave West, I mean, Dave west is. That's like my. My little brother. I mean, we became. I mean, like, he became very close to all of us. But I mean, like, he's just like a. He's a good friend of mine, I feel. And from Take. Getting music from him from the first AOI album, once again, he was just. He was just like, you know, it was almost like a production team. Like, at that point, Dave west was damn near Like a part of Daylight, you know, so we was definitely. I mean, he would probably be one of the first people we start like, scratching and getting stuff from and. And configuring and, you know, even when we would get stuff from, like, say, JD Or Dilla, you know, like, Dave west could be sitting right there, and he would be a part of the think tank and. And hearing what we're trying to do, and he would give. Give advice. So Super Dave west was just an intricate part of what we were doing. Jake One, man, it was. It was crazy because, like, this. This beautiful brother named John Moore, he had became friends with us. He. He lived in Seattle. And Vitamin D, who's just an absolute amazing artist and producer, He. He's John Moore's younger brother. And so we got to know that camp and so Bigger is what Vitamin D did. And we had actually tried some other tracks from him, but it was just like, by dealing with Vitamin D, he was like, yo, it's this guy we. We know named Jake1. You may want to listen to him. And the rest is history. Because, you know, Jake 1 gave us rock Cocaine Flow and Days of Our Lives. We was like, yo, this is absolutely crazy. So, yeah, it was just this too much fun, man. Making those, making that with them. And Ghostface has just been, you know, we look up to him lyrically, person from his personality, what he brings to the Wu Tang Clan and all his solo projects. You know, when Dave west had put together the track that wound up becoming. He comes. You know, we just. Just thinking of different people, and we was like, man, listen, like, Ghost Face Killer. If he was on this record, he would just bring so much life to it, in which he did, you know, so it was just amazing to have him be a part. And Common is just our family. Common is family. He even, like. I think we ran into him somewhere and he was like, look, man, you know I still rhyme. Don't. Don't get it twisted. You know, I'm acting, but I can rhyme. And we all laughing. He's like, yo, I won't be on this new album. I got to work on a new album. And so we. We figured out we had to Jake One beat waiting, and we was like, trying to figure out who to get on. And he was like, yo, send that to Common. And so, you know, Communist did something, as always, so amazing on it. And Flavor Flav, man. Flavor Flav, Wow. I mean, like, Dave was, like, immersed like this. This Mad Lib record. Like, it just sounds like Flavor should be talking on it. I say, yo, let me ask. And, you know, when. When we asked him, you know, he was immediately with it. And, like, I just remember him coming to the studio and he was like, yo, man, you know, like, if y'all really think about it, he's like, I don't talk. You don't really find me talking on anything outside of Public Enemy, you know, like, you know. And I was like, word. He's like, yo, like, I don't normally do that, so, you know, like. You know, like, I love y'all and like, to do, like, ad libs. Like, to be doing ad libs. Like, if I'm doing. That's what I do with Chuck. Because I was like, nah, you did some ice cream. He said, nah. He's like, ice cream thing. I rhymed. He's like, but to be that. That signature, I'm rocking up against someone with ad libs. He said, I only do that with Chuck. And he said, I love y'all, and that's why I'm doing this. I was like, wow. I was like, it's an honor, you know, so that's what we really got out of him on that record. And he. I mean, that part he added to that record, it just took it to a whole another level for us. So, you know, man, it's just so many great people we had on there. Yummy as well. Yummy is just a great. A great. At that point, friend of ours, a little. Little sister of ours, and we just thought her voice could be magic on this record. To know a record. No. So she. She came to through and did what she does best, which is sang. She didn't sing. She sang. And of course, man, the. The incredible. Like I said, MF Doom. That record, this sounded so tormenting. We was like, yo. We was like, this sounds like MF Doom. Like. Like doom got a rhyme on this. And. And we reached out. I mean, he came through. He had. I just remember that session so well because, you know, he had the mask with him, and he sat down, he had this devilish grin. I was like, oh, boy, what you got with you? No, no, I'm ready. Don't let me in the booth. And when he went in that booth, he lit that thing of fire. So I was like, yeah, you knew you was about to blow this off because, you know. You know, you know. And I was like, oh, God, this record is going to be incredible. To this day, I really have no idea why we didn't do a video for that. That. I mean, like, that song was the Song that. Because even when. When we got that record from Jake, Jake put that on the Beat CD he sent me by mistake. So when I told him, like, yo, it's this song and this is like these. These people singing and it slows down, he was like, oh. He was like, wow, he's a pasta. I didn't even really mean I wasn't supposed to put that on there. And I was like, well, it's on there and we're taking it. And he was like, yo. He said, I didn't. I wouldn't even have thought y'all would have wanted to take this Eyes. Are you crazy? And yeah, that rock cocaine flow was wow. And that was just. And like I said, once Doom got on it, man, it was just. It was just a dream come true to do something with Doom, who's a really good friend of ours, and finally get him on something amazing.
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POS
Do you have a sense when you're in that moment that you're really in rarefied air in terms of the chemistry and the spirit of the whole collaboration?
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Unknown Speaker
I think there are moments like that. I mean, honestly, if we're talking about just specifically Grind Date, that's what I felt with Rocco Cane Flo. Like, I was like, man, this is going to be incredible. And then I was even like, yo, what if we put. You know, let's put. Let's put Lenny Kravitz on it at the end, just playing the guitar. And then people's like, nah, come on, Merce, you're going too far. You're going too far. He was. They was. Dave was like, look, you could end it with. I'm. I hear the idea about ending it with someone playing the guitar and it takes on this thing in your rhyme. He said, we can definitely try that. But he was like, Lenny Kravitz. He's like, no, no, no, let's. Let's don't do that. Let's don't do that. I said, all right, all right, cool, cool. But yeah, I mean, I mean, that record was just special, man. It was truly, truly special. But like everything else, you know, like, of course, I mean, verbal clap, just like. It just had this amazing feel to it. And once I had added to. To the production, I added the. Put all things aside. Everyone was like, yo, this is gonna be crazy. And so, yeah, it's just moments where you're just like. You just get these goosebumps, man. You're like, yo, this is just going to be something really, really cool. Yeah, man.
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POS
Well, yeah, yeah. Can you talk about what inspired you to. To first start your. Your journey in music and, and how it all really came together first?
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Unknown Speaker
I mean, it was just something that grabbed you in the neighborhood. You know, we all were. You know, you. You love music. You know, you. You can have the, the. The. The amazing records that your parents could have in the house and just listening. And you love music. And you. The era of like, you know, being on your little. Your roller skates and listening to all the great disco or R B and. But then listening to AM radio and all the cool, amazing records that now they consider yacht rock or whatever. Like, you know, whether it was Boston and Chicago or Steely Dan and Doobie, but all that we were just affected by in such a. A positive way. So when hip hop, this thing that came about called hip hop, where you're just rhyming over your favorite rock record, your favorite jazz record or just some record, you don't even know where it comes from. But it just happened to have this breakdown. That older statesman who was maybe only like eight years older than us, they. They've now made this a standard, like the Cerrone record. I didn't know who Sarone was until our rocking in the pocket. And then so, I mean, like, yeah, it just took. That made me feel like this is what I want to do. Like, I want to do this now, mind you, I'm super young, I'm in school, but it really just held your heart, it just helped your soul. So when it was about really feeling like, you know what we can, like, you know, we got these crews. You listen to these crews on these different tapes. You know, you listen, you hear Bismarcky on a tape rhyming, and Bismarck is always showing up to our school. And here it is, you got. You can hear these tapes of Dougie freshing them in the basement. You know, let's, you know, let's get equipment and let's let us start doing the same thing. It was just as simple as that. And people just start getting better at it. And, you know, you have people saying, like, yo, you're pretty good at this. And you know, I always love to write. If I wasn't doing this, I could have been a writer. You know, I was into comic books. I was always into like, stuff like that. So, yeah, I mean, rhyming, it was just. It just called out to me. Hip hop honestly called out to me, yeah, me, Dave and. And Mace, man, just practicing in the house and just getting better. And, And I mean, honestly, once, Prince Paul once, you know, because he was just Such an amazing DJ in the neighborhood. And, you know, to see him get down with Stetsonic. And then they made this record that just energized the entire. The entire neighborhood. It was like, Paul made it and he was like, maybe I, being from Long island can make it. And then you start seeing, you know, wow, these guys from Bay Shore EPMD made it. Or these guys who we actually met before called JVC Force, they got a record out and pe, you know, all these artists from your same island, Rakim, Biz, Markey, they just energized you and confirmed that you can do this. And so we just took our chances. And that's how we just were blessed enough to finally put together that demo and have a bunch of labels love it. And we went with Tommy Boy.
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Buzz Knight
We'll be right back with more of the Taking a Walk podcast.
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Therapist
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Be matched with a therapist. And because you'll meet your therapist online, you don't have to take time off work or arrange childcare. You'll meet on your schedule wherever you feel most at ease. If you're depressed, stressed, struggling with a relationship, or if you want some counseling for you and your partner or just need a little extra one on one support, Talkspace is here for you.
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Larison Campbell
In Mississippi called Yazoo clay. It's thick, burnt orange, and it's got a reputation.
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Gilbert King
It's terrible, terrible dirt.
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Larison Campbell
Yazoo clay eats everything. So things that get buried there tend to stay buried until they're not. In 2012, construction crews at Mississippi's biggest hospital made a shocking discovery.
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Unknown Speaker
7,000 bodies out there or more.
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Larison Campbell
All former patients of the old state asylum. And nobody knew they were there.
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Unknown Speaker
It was my family's mystery.
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Larison Campbell
But in this corner of the south, it's not just the soil that keeps secrets.
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Unknown Speaker
Nobody talks about it.
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Nobody has any information.
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Larison Campbell
When you peel back the layers of Mississippi's Yazoo clay. Nothing's ever as simple as you think.
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Therapist
The story is much more complicated and nuanced than that.
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Larison Campbell
I'm Larison Campbell. Listen to under yazukle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your pod.
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Unknown Speaker
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season one.
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Talkspace Announcer
I just knew him as a kid.
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Unknown Speaker
Long, silent voices from his past came.
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Gilbert King
Forward, and he was just staring at me.
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Unknown Speaker
And they had secrets of their own to share.
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Gilbert King
Gilbert King. I'm the son of Jeremy Lynn Scott.
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Unknown Speaker
I was no longer just telling the story. I was part of it.
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Gilbert King
Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
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Unknown Speaker
I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never known.
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Gilbert King
If the cops and everything would have done their job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I would have never existed.
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Unknown Speaker
I never expected to find myself in this place. Now I need to tell you how I got here.
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Gilbert King
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
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Unknown Speaker
Bone Valley Season 2 Jeremy.
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Gilbert King
Jeremy, I want to tell you something.
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Unknown Speaker
Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2 starting April 9 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear the entire new season ad free with exclusive content starting April 9th. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.
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Buzz Knight
Welcome back to the Taking a Walk podcast.
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POS
Were there early mentors that really kind of helped drive that work and that passion and fuel that. That, you know, enthusiasm? Or was it really just observing what was going on and being, you know, just so observant of it that that was enough for you?
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Unknown Speaker
Observant, Honestly, just, you know, watching whatever video you watch, listening to whatever radio personality. We were young, but we would go. We would leave Long island and go into the city to go to whatever the club was at that point, which a big one was Latin quarters. And we had our fake ID and we made it in somehow. And you see red alert DJing. And then back then, there weren't no VIP sections, so I could be on the floor looking at the stage. KRS1BDP is go out to get on Boogie Down Productions. But Kane, Big Daddy Kane is standing right there and Roxanne Shantay is over. Like you. They were standing and standing right there in your vicinity. And it's like all that energy you took in, how they interact, you looking at them, how they Interact with their friends. And you go back to Long island, you like, you just energize. And you're writing and you're trying. You're just trying to get better at what you're doing. So it's really observing. I would say one mentor definitely was as well. He lived on my block. Our music teacher, Mr. Collins. Everett Collins. And Everett Collins, he was a tour drummer for Isley Brothers. He was the music teacher at our school. He was a. He was in the group Surface, who made songs like, you know. You know, make Me Happy. And so he was a writer in Surface. He was in that group. So it was. He was like a, you know, a very humbling superstar in our. Our neighborhood. And. But he was much older, of course, and he. So, like, he was just. Always had great words for us, great understanding. And so just to have, like, all the things you were viewing on your own, you could just talk about from this amazing musician who was a part of the industry. It was just, those are the. All the other people. Or, like, whether it's him or just the things you observe that you use to take in to then use as input or output into what you were trying to do.
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POS
Was there a moment that was a particular turning point for De La Soul that you could sort of pinpoint when.
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Unknown Speaker
When we felt like it was going to happen or even after it happened.
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POS
When you felt like it was going to happen?
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Unknown Speaker
I mean, honestly, once, once Paul came into the picture, we knew it was gonna happen. Like, Paul working along with Mace on something. Like Mace was working on something because it just. It was like. It was like another DJ in the group. Actually, he went on to want to do his own thing. He was just like, yo, I don't know. I don't know if this could really happen here with y'all guys. And maybe it looks like I can DJ for this person at. Was over here at the Juice Crew, and. And, you know, it was this young lady named Dimples D, who was part of Code shilling. He was DJing for her. Or I think one time, like, maybe one of Light's DJ Light DJ had got sick and he did something with. With her. So he just felt like, you know what? I could just do something over here. Doesn't really seem like something's happening here. Mace, he was now being pulled into doing something with this guy around the surrounding neighborhood named Gangsta B. And Gangsta B was going to now do something on this label that Mr. Collins, who lived on my block, he was trying to put together. So Mace took It upon himself to kind of say things differently. He was like, look, I can do this, but this could be the way to get us in to the door, you know, get us in. And I felt like, wow, that's, that's amazing that even though Mace could have this opportunity, he's staying loyal to me and Dave about what we could be doing. And so Mr. Collins brought Prince Paul in to try to remix this record that Mace and this other mc Gangsta B put together. And that's when Mace and Paul really started talking about may start telling him like, yo, I got these guys Merce and David. Paul knew who we were from the neighborhood. But he was like, word. He was like, Merce, like little Merce. Because he knew my older brother. He's like, he rhymes. And you try to tell me Dave Jolicort rhymes. And he was like, yo. And so when Paul heard the demos of what Me, Mace and Dave was doing, he just felt like, this is what I want to be in the business in. And he was like, please tell your guys, come to my house, let's have a meeting. And once Paul had that meeting with us, he overdubbed our demos with stuff he added. And he was like, I can promise you, you can have a shot. That's what I will promise. And I just knew it was going to happen from there. And from there it did. Him and Daddy O, we went into the studio at Calliope Studios professionally fixed up our, our songs and him and Daddy O started shopping. Daddy O was shopping mc. He had a blind mc. I forgot his name and say that, say Daddy O's artist was on side A. Paul had us on side B and they were shop it and people was just falling in love with us. So I, I knew it was going to happen from that point.
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POS
You know, you face challenges over your career with, with record labels and sample clearances and things of that nature. How did those experiences shape your outlook and your resilience in the midst of the industry?
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Unknown Speaker
Well, it definitely got you more focused on being on point with your business. We handed in the music. I mean we've told this story a thousand times, hundreds of thousands, but we handed in the music. We, we, we, you know, it was kind of like, you know, certain songs that was like obvious, like that's, that's Peck from Silly Dan and But this may be weird horn or blah blah blah. This is from this record. So we, we handed in the notes and so when it came back that these things weren't cleared, it just really got us on top of Our business. And mind you, I mean, between De La Soul and Bismarcky, we actually created the business of sample lawyers. So, I mean, like, yeah, it just got us more on point on making sure. Okay, so let's write all this information down. We will make sure that once we hand all these things into the label, they have to give us confirmation, show us that, you know, this is being cleared. Like, oh, you sampled that record. So now the. The master recording that's owned by Universal or whoever, they're showing that it's a quote. So we will see it all from beginning to end. There's a quote out. This is what they want. Do y'all want to pay that for the sample? We could say yes or no. We say, yeah. Okay. And then you saw when it was the. The. The sample was paid for, so it just really helped us to be more. More on point with the business side of things. And yeah, it was. It was a little rough at. At some point, but even in the roughness, there was still, like, just honestly amazing things that came out of it. Because, you know, like, even when the Turtles sued us, it was like. But then when we sit down with their lawyer, it was just like, you know, he's a big fan. And it was just like moments of this. This sunshine through rain. It was like, okay. And, you know, and so, I mean, yeah, we got through it and we. We just grew up a lot quicker in terms of understanding the business, which was important because if you didn't take it upon yourself to take part in the business side and only paid attention to the creativity, you could turn around and do something that wouldn't be best for your interest.
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POS
So did you. You set up a separate sort of business vertical on clearances of samples? Is that what you said?
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Unknown Speaker
What? Well, we worked along with the label, but, like, it was an outside clearance that then sent us. So basically, yeah, an outside clearance company who would let Tommy Boy and us see. Okay, so this is what's going on. Like, Deborah McGannis, DMG, she would be like, okay, so, yeah, like, y'all, you've now sampled this artist for this composition you put together. This is what the master recording is saying that they want. This is what the publishing side writers are saying, do y'all want to pay this? So we were seeing the paperwork all at the same time, which allowed us to then know, like, okay, so this is being cleared. This is. We didn't just give it to, like, certain people at Tommy Boy and just walk away. La la la la la. The next thing you know, the album comes out. And then. Because that's what happened with the first album, like, we. They were. We weren't involved in whatever and whatever process, whatever was cleared, we didn't know and obviously what didn't get cleared. Because maybe the execs at Tomboy felt like, you know, this is a great record. But until that point, maybe this just be a regional record. It may not go big. It may not become a national thing. And three Feet high and rising, as we know to this day, became national, international. It flew. It flew around the world. So it was a lot of eyes and ears on it. And therefore with it not would it not just being a regional record, different companies who could own that sound would be like, yo, this is a great record. But, you know, De La Solen reach out to us. Oldest Redding wife could be like, yo, like, they never reached out to us. Like, you know, so that was the stuff that was happening when you put.
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POS
In a bottle what it's like to win a Grammy. Explain that to me. How does it feel?
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Unknown Speaker
I mean, it feels. And I just say this for me, honestly, because, like, any plaque I have, any award, I've gotten none of them to this day. I've ever really put plaques on walls. Like, I've never done that. Really. It's rare, but it's just somewhat of a confirmation that it just makes you feel like, wow, this work we put in, people are acknowledging it. I just come from an era, 100% that we never made records to win Grammys. We never made records to do this. You know, like, we made this piece of art in the midst of just making in that present moment, this piece of art. And we had the superpower to make it. We. We had other people with superpowers, whether it were management or record execs, to now positively exploit it, to now make more people know it's there. And all that work comes back in this award that shows that you did. You now passed this threshold of making it to this point, and your peers recognize you and the fans recognize you. And it's a great feeling because it was never honestly made for them. They just magically could feel as I have as a music listener, where Stevie wondered to make new music for Kelvin Mercer. But Kelvin Mercer can relate to this Stevie Wonder record that touched my heart, and that's what I'm blessed to be as a musician. This group, this. This group I'm a part of, where fans and listeners can feel that, like, you've touched my soul. And therefore I'm going to spend my Money to buy your music or listen to your music and we're rewarded for it.
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POS
You may have read my mind to the last question, which is what's your secret to staying so inspired after decades in, in the business constantly listening to new music?
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Unknown Speaker
And I mean we. I've always been like that. So I mean Whether I was 17 years old, I've always was about. I don't want to just try to get use my cassette to, to record music off of the the FM radio station with the strongest signal. I would go down to the college radio stations and try to get the first bit of stuff I remember. Like this, this college station that could play demos around the different regions and I heard 2 Live Crew first, like when they submitted demos to this college station. So. And I'd be like, yo, listen to this. Like I've always been about studying and listening to music. So even to this day, as a 55 year old man, like I'm on every site you can think of or even when you're on your respective streaming services and I allow that rabbit hole, that suggestive thing to know. Oh, you like this? Listen to that. And I'll just find a time to just listen to music and it inspires, even down to the music, younger music that could be like, okay, I wouldn't be talking about this. I ain't trying to shoot and kill nobody. But the energy and how the person could present the rhyme and how the music could move, it could draw something to make me want to pin something real quick, even if it's into opposition of what the person is saying. Like now. It shouldn't be like that. Me, right? I'm still getting inspired. So I think that all plays a part of it. Reading, viewing things around you, but taking the time to even, you know, shut out the world, shut out the news, shut out reading and just look at my kids and look at my wife and all that just plays a part. I sponge that to put it back into my pin or whatever I'm creating musically.
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POS
Brilliant. Paz, thank you so much. I really appreciate the time. Congrats on the release of the 20th anniversary. I say celebration of the grind date and it's an honor to be able to take a walk with you.
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Unknown Speaker
Oh, thank you so much, sir. I appreciate it. Thank you.
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Buzz Knight
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Unknown Speaker
Yazoo Clay keeps secrets 7,000 bodies out there or more.
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Larison Campbell
A forgotten asylum cemetery.
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Unknown Speaker
It was my family's mystery.
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Larison Campbell
Shame, guilt, propriety. Something keeps it all buried deep until it's not I'm Larison Campbell and this is under Yazoo Clay. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Unknown Speaker
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season one.
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Gilbert King
Every time I hear about my dad is, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
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Unknown Speaker
I was becoming the bridge between Jeremy Scott and the son he'd never known.
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Gilbert King
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
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Unknown Speaker
Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2, starting April 9 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.