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Classic Replay-The Top Five Most Downloaded Episodes of 2024-Ian Hunter
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Ian Hunter
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Buzz Knight
Season.
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Ian Hunter
Two is coming to Apple TV. What you all did five months ago was one of the most painful moments.
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Buzz Knight
In the history of this company.
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Ian Hunter
Our message got out.
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Voiceover Announcer
We're famous.
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Buzz Knight
All of us equally are. One of us is like the star.
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Ian Hunter
What did you see?
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Voiceover Announcer
My audi's wife was Ms. Casey. If you want to find out what.
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Ian Hunter
Happened to her, I'll help. She's still alive.
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Voiceover Announcer
I want to see my wife.
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Ian Hunter
He should have left severance. New season streaming January 17th only on Apple TV. Plus taking a walk I just got a phone. I came home from wherever I'd been one day that was on the answer machine all our way in his swingo, you know, how'd you fancy going on at all? And I was like, well you get the chills when a Beatles on your answering machine. And so I went, you know, and it was great. It was good fun.
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Buzz Knight
Well, welcome to our top five Taking a Walk Podcast Countdown. A little holiday gift for you. The top five most downloaded episodes of Taking a Walk for 2024. I'm Buzz Knight, your host and it's my pleasure to welcome back for the countdown from the Taking a Walk Music history Desk. Hello, Harry Jacobs. Happy to be here, Buzz. Happy to be part of the countdown this week. All right, so let's just recap. Number five was Carlos Santana. Number four was John Oates. Number three was Russell Kunkel. For number two, we're going to head across the pond to someone who has had a pretty remarkable career, I would say, as an understatement, certainly for work with a major British rock band, but also a great influence and connection with the great David Bowie. With this person, it's Ian Hunter, who is most known for his work with Mattha Hoople, but also for his solo work as the number two most downloaded of 2024. Yeah, arguably one of, you know, another one of these musicians that's just really talented, not just on. On one instrument, but two. Guitar player and, and a keyboard player. And as far as classic rock goes with, you know, with Mata Hoople, you know, dudes, I mean, it doesn't get much more famous than. Than that one. Yeah, and we, we played the heck out of Mata Hoople and Ian Hunter. Both in my time in school in Ohio, but also in my time working in Ohio, there was a big Ohio, I think, I don't know, love for Ian and Mott. I'm not sure where that exactly came from, but. But we also know in later years, Ian would do that tune Cleveland Rocks. So he paid tribute to his love of Ohio and Cleveland specifically. He tells a really funny story about when Ringo rang him up to have him be part of the All Star band that Ringo puts together every year. So he told a very gracious and wonderful story about that. But I found him to be kind of in this position. I'm not sure where he's going to, you know, creatively go in the future if he'll be doing that much more, even if he'll be touring that much more, but he still has a real spark. I think he's in his early to mid-80s and it was wonderful to have Ian Hunter, which is our number two most downloaded podcast of 2024 on taking a Walk. Ian Hunter. Welcome to a virtual edition. We're going to take a walk down memory lane here on the Taking a Walk podcast. And we're going to talk about Defiance Part 2 and many other things. But thank you for being on, sir.
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Ian Hunter
Oh, you're very welcome. It's a privilege. Thank you.
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Buzz Knight
Did you know you're never alone with a schizophrenic?
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Ian Hunter
That was Ronson's title. He found it on a toilet wall.
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Buzz Knight
Is that right?
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Ian Hunter
I had to give him A half a track to get that title. Yeah. I gave him half of Just Another Night, which was a song on that album.
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Buzz Knight
Another great one.
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Ian Hunter
Yeah, yeah. He was going to make another record. He said, no, no, I'm keeping this. And I'm like, no, I've gotta have that. I've gotta have that. So in the end, we came to an agreement.
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Buzz Knight
That's wonderful. What inspired you to pursue a career in music? And tell me about the earliest influences, Ian.
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Ian Hunter
Oh, I was. I was right. Right at the beginning, you know, fast Domino 54, Elvis and all that. Elvis, what, 15? And then I heard Jody Lewis. It was crazy, you know, we were living in a country that had just come off Russian books, Second World War. And it was pretty, you know, boring, and people were looking for excitement and all of a sudden, you know, Little Richard, Chuck Barry, all this stuff coming out of the States, we were like, well, this is something, you know, and that's. I was a fan, you know, it was jukeboxes then, stuff like that. I never thought I'd ever be in bands or anything like that. I just. I was just a huge fan of rock and roll music.
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Buzz Knight
When did you know, though, that this was going to be a career?
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Ian Hunter
I really didn't. I mean, I. I sort of got in semi pro bands around Northampton and I was a bass player and somehow got wound up in London. It's very difficult to get into London in those days because everything was twice as expensive, you know, and if you're coming from a factory in the sticks, you know, an orange costs a shilling instead of sixpence. It's very hard to get into London. So it took a long time and I wound up with a guy called 30 Fingers Lee, who was kind of like the English equivalent of Jerry Lee. And with Svet, I went, you know, we do German clubs. And I started to think more like a musician than a fan, you know, I thought maybe I could make a living out of this. And that's how it sort of came into being, you know, over a few years.
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Buzz Knight
Ian, can you share a bit about your songwriting process? How do you typically approach the crafting of a brand new song?
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Ian Hunter
I think every writer. Well, it's hard to say sometimes. It's. It's. It's kind of like a comedian. Somebody says something and you pick up on it where nobody else does. Sometimes it comes in out of. You wake up with it in the morning, you know, I can't really explain it to you. It's. That's why a lot of people don't write songs because. And some do. It's kind of like comedians, you know, they get the jokes, other people don't.
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Buzz Knight
It is being in a certain zone, though, to have that creative process. Is that right?
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Ian Hunter
I don't know. Because it kind of grew on me, you know, When I joined Mark, I wasn't even a songwriter. They. They had Mick Rolson, Pete Watts, and they were the songwriters, but Pete was more concerned with models at the time. So I used to. I mean, the way we used to rehearse, they would get there about 3 in the afternoon. I was there 10 in the morning because I was trying out all these instruments and stuff. And as I tried out these instruments, songs started coming, you know, and I tried them out in front of the band. And some. Sometimes they said yeah, and sometimes they said no. And slowly I sort of became this and I became the solo in that band, you know.
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Buzz Knight
Throughout your entire career, you've been part of different bands and collaborations. Tell me how difficult at times it can be to navigate the. The dynamics of working with all different types of musicians.
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Ian Hunter
You just. With me, it had to be exciting. It had to be people I like or I had to be crazy. And Mar was crazy. And I did like them. I don't know if they liked me because I was like, I wasn't the Harriford Matthew, you know, but we got an okay. And then every band ever since, it's always been, this has got to be fun. This has got to be camaraderie. This hasn't got to be. I'm not. I can't take sitting on the bus listening to a gig we just did. It's just the excitement, the original excitement I felt with Jerry Lee and those people. I guess that's what I was looking for, you know, and in Mark, they. They wound up creating that kind of excitement too, you know, on. Places would go crazy without riots and stuff. And they were good clients, not bad ones.
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Buzz Knight
Do you ever remember one of those shows that sticks in your head because.
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Ian Hunter
Oh, yeah.
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Buzz Knight
Either because of the fan reaction or something, but that. That something went awry, rather, the mall.
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Ian Hunter
Fans were kind of like M fans and that was it. It was like a tribe that followed you all over, you know, I mean, they would go anywhere you went. And I can remember gigs, you know, where they were all on stage and they were all singing. I mean, we tried to make a live album and that was a disaster because everybody go on stage and the cables went. But they were kind of. I remember Newcastle. Yeah. Yeah, Newcastle. They brought dogs out. Which was not a clever thing to do because they thought it was a nasty riot, you know what I mean? And it wasn't. It was a happy riot, just fun. And that was what we were kind of aiming at at that time. Just having a great time. There wasn't much money involved. It was just having a great time, you know.
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Buzz Knight
One of the things I've always loved about you and your music, you incorporate, you know, different elements of different styles. Some. Some rock, maybe there's folk somewhere in there. Glam rock. How do you balance diverse influences while being true to, you know, what your unique sound is?
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Ian Hunter
Well, what happened was I somehow wound up as a singer, which I wasn't, you know, I was a bass player. Maybe I just sing harmonies and stuff. But in Mohawa, you know, Guy Stevens was like looking for me to get off the piano and get in the middle of the stage and sing. And around that same time, like everybody else, Bob Dylan affected me a lot, you know. And so I started doing that faced sort of singing, which is what non singers do. Chiraga is an amazing face, you know. Dylan is a past master. And I just kind of copied Dylan for a couple of years until. Until it got silly, you know. So I started off, you know, you develop your own thing out of that.
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Buzz Knight
I love he. Bob got silly. What, what happened?
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Ian Hunter
No, no, I mean, it was just when I heard Bob Dylan. I'm English guy. I don't know what he's talking about, but it's right. It's absolutely right. How he's doing it is right. And Sonny Bonner was another one, you know, Sonny and Sherer, he was another one. He couldn't say anything that great. But he came across. He had big number one, you know, I got you, babe, stuff like that. I thought that's. That's the route I'm going to have to go, you know, because I. I'm not Paul Rogers, you know.
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Buzz Knight
I mean, your lyrics touch on the themes of rebellion and society and personal experiences. So going back to Bob Dylan for a second, he obviously had some impact as he wrote about rebellion as well. Right.
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Ian Hunter
It wasn't so much that, it was the way he was singing. I was English, so therefore I didn't really understand a lot of what he was talking about, you know. I probably just still don't. But it was just right. It was just so right, you know. And I, you know, I copped off him eventually, you know, you develop into your own thing. I guess most singers, you know, they start off with some. They get Influenced. Everybody gets influenced initially, you know, and then you. You sort of wade through it and come out yourself eventually.
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Buzz Knight
Did you ever have the opportunity to run into Bob and tell him about the impact that he made on you?
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Ian Hunter
Yeah, I've met him a couple of times. I'm in awe, you know what I mean? So I got. But he's great. He's really nice. I mean, what are you going to do?
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Buzz Knight
Did you get the Cold Fish handshake?
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Ian Hunter
Oh, I can't remember. It's been a while. No. But he danced down the street in the Village one night, you know, one foot on the road and one foot on the pavement. He knew who we were. Robin in Stone, I remember at the time, said on Bob's new album, he's trying to sound like Mott the Hoople. So it was all fun, you know. It was all, you know, just for fun.
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Buzz Knight
Can you tell me about the first time that you met David Bowie?
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Ian Hunter
Yeah, it was Guildford Civic Hall, a gig just outside London. And what had happened was we. We split up. We'd been in gas tanks in Switzerland for Island Records, and we didn't like them. They were too echoey. So we decided this is enough. We hadn't had a hit record. We'd been going a couple of years. And so Pete Watts, the bass player, rang up David to a gig because David was at that time forming his band. And David said, well, you're in Mott, you know. And Pete said, no, we've split. And then David said, well, you can't do that, you know. It turned out that David liked the band a lot and so he came to see us at Guildford. That was the first night I met him. And I wound up in a limo with him afterwards. And Angie and Angie whispered to me in the back of the limo. It took him four hours to get ready.
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Buzz Knight
That's great.
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Ian Hunter
And then from then on, we still on Island Records, and we were just doing a tour and flowers in the dressing room every night. And these people from Ireland, you know, Johnny Glover, Alec Leslie, they were going, where are these flowers from? Every night, you know. But what was happening was the beginning of, you know, our time with Columbia and Defries and David, you know, did.
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Buzz Knight
He offer you Suffragette City? Is that correct?
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Ian Hunter
Yeah. You know, we'd had a couple of singles out and we. They'd been on the BBC and they hadn't been hits. Well, when you have a couple of singles and they miss. From then on in, you're not going to be on the BBC unless it's something Extremely special. We were writing good stuff, but we knew the babe wouldn't play it. And Suffer the City was good, but we knew they wouldn't play it. It wasn't good enough. So then he sits down in an office in Regent street and buys. All the young dudes to him was on acoustic guitar. And that was a whole different kettle of fish, you know, that was, we can do this, and this can be huge.
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Buzz Knight
You know, I have chills just thinking about that moment.
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Ian Hunter
Yeah. I remember sitting there thinking, one, I can sing it, you know, because sometimes I. Bluesy stuff like that I'm not good at. The first thing was I knew I could sing it. And the second thing was, it's a hit. And, you know, it's kind of neat being behind a hit before it's even recorded. It's just a song is so strong.
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Buzz Knight
And what's amazing about it, Ian, is how it has stood the test of time.
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Ian Hunter
Yeah, we're still talking about it. And Mark did a great job on it. You know, we improved it. We didn't just sit and do it, you know, we improved upon it. And he was there and he was helping out and doing what David did, you know, he taught us a lot, you know, because we didn't really know much about the studio with Guy Stevens, our previous producers. David knew how to work the room, you know. You know, the buttons.
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Buzz Knight
What do you think of how he constantly reinvented himself? And has that inspired your reinvention as you have reinvented through your career?
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Ian Hunter
No, no. I think David was a performance artist who played the part of a rocknroll singer and did it extremely well. You know, funk, whatever you want to talk about. The stages he went through, he was a performance artist. That's. That's where he came from. Lindsey Gamp, stuff like that. So he was, you know, he had that role for that while. You know what I mean?
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Buzz Knight
Yep.
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Ian Hunter
The Ziggy role. And then he went on to other things. I think the Freeze was molding him in the Elvis. You know, the Freeze's idol was Colonel Tom Parker. The Police was turning was David's manager. And I think that's what Tafries wanted. He wanted David to be Elvis Part two.
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Buzz Knight
You know, we're living in a divided society, obviously, yet I'm constantly amazed at how music is this one thing people can generally agree upon. Do you agree with that fact in the world today, that that's really the one thing people can agree on?
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Ian Hunter
Football. Music and football. I see football. You know what I mean? Two teams Yep. Somebody's gonna win, somebody's gonna lose, and 60, 000 people who don't really know that much about it. Right. Screaming blueberry. Yeah.
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Buzz Knight
But as we move to talk About Defiance Part 2, what's your take on the rest of the world?
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Ian Hunter
Well, in a bit of a mess, you know, I tried to avoid it on part one. Can't caught up with me on part two. However, you know, we live in an hysterical country, so hopefully it won't turn out as bad as everybody predicts. I just have an opinion like everybody else. I try to not be didactic and all that kind of stuff, but sometimes it leaks, you know, and it's. This arm's a bit dense, you know, it's a bit denser than the first one, and I think the next one will be a little lighter. This one's pretty political.
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Buzz Knight
Can you talk about some of the folks that you collaborated with in both Defiance Part one and Part two?
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Ian Hunter
Yeah, sure. Who?
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Buzz Knight
Well, how about Jeff Beck, for starters?
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Ian Hunter
Well, you know, that was Johnny Depp. John was working with Jeff, and I've known John for a little while now, and he likes what I do. So he said, you know, I'm over here with Jeff. Do you want me to do something with Jeff? And so we sent him two tracks, and Jeff played on both of them. You know, he played on the third rail on part two, and it was Jeff. I mean, he was like, for me, he was the 60s God. You know, we came through in the 70s. So we looked up to those guys, you know, like the Beatles and the Stones and the who, you know. So to have J back on your album, for me is a personal win, no matter what. Plus, he played great, and plus, sometimes he would do things and then he would not let them go because he didn't think his performance was good enough. Fortunately, on both tracks, he was fine. He passed them, you know, he okayed them. And his lawyer said the third Ryle, which is on part two, is the last thing he ever did.
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Buzz Knight
That's amazing.
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Ian Hunter
Not his lawyer, his manager. Yeah.
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Buzz Knight
How about Robin Zander?
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Ian Hunter
Well, I've known them for a long time, on and off gigs here and there, you know, they can love him. So great guys, and they're proper rock and roll, you know, and it's a privilege, but a lot of these people are told privilege, you know, Stone Temple, those guys are such gentlemen, you know, and intelligence. And you've got to send the right kind of material to the right kind of people. Is it in that area? You know what I Mean, like Mike Campbell, it was perfect for him and Ringo on Bed of roses on the first, you know, you knew that track was 117 and I'm sitting there with Andy York. I said, let's send it to Ringo for fun, you know. And Ringo was like, if I like the song, I'll do it. If I. If I don't like the song, I won't. And even four days later we got it back and it was done, you know, and Mike Campbell then takes it and makes it even better, you know, as he does with everything. It's been a great, it's good, it's been a great fun.
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Buzz Knight
And you, you were part of Ringo Starr's All Star Band at one point, right?
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Ian Hunter
Yeah, we went out, we did a tour. Yeah.
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Buzz Knight
Who was part of that group at that time?
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Ian Hunter
I can't remember. The Lions. Sheila. Sheila. He was on the drums. Sheila tried to make him do a drum solo. That was fun.
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Buzz Knight
Well, but I want to ask the question differently about that. So tell me about your connection with Ringo Starr and ultimately playing with him in the All Star Band.
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Ian Hunter
I just got a phone, I came home from wherever I'd been one day and it was on the answer machine, you know, how'd you fancy going on the tour? And I was like, whoa, you get the chills when a Beatles on your answering machine. And so I went, you know, and it was great, it was good fun. Greg Lake. I became friends with Greg Lake on that tour. He was my mate, you know, he's a lovely bloke. Greg Blake, a great player, you know. King Crimson and then Elp. Elp. I wanted his keen on the pink. Crimson was amazing. We were open for them early on in Martin. They were, they were frightening.
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Buzz Knight
Tell me about the period of time when Queen had first come to the States and Queen and Mott toured. What were your memories of that early period?
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Ian Hunter
Well, it was great fun because it became one big band, you know. And Fred being Fred was hilarious. He'd walk up and down backstage going, why don't these city bastards get it? Yeah, Fred, it's going to take a couple of times. This is a big country, you know, it didn't take them that long, but they were characters, all of them, you know, I really like those guys. And I still talk to Bride and Roger, you know, but we're driving, we're kind of different continents, but I still talk to them and they're still loving. It's normal chaps.
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Buzz Knight
Yeah, I love it.
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Ian Hunter
It was like a nine piece band on the road when they. When they were opening for us, you know, and then we got a. Washington. Washington, yeah. We were staying in. And that Nixon Hotel, what was it? The White. Oh, I don't know.
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Buzz Knight
Oh, Watergate.
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Ian Hunter
Yeah, we're staying at the Watergate. That was it. Yeah. And Brian came down with something bad. They had to get him on a plane quick. And so that was the end of it. But we'd done a British tour, and we are halfway through the American tour, and that's when they had to go. And I think we had candles or somebody like that came in in depth or. But they went through the roof really quick, you know, Fred was so outrageous on one. But I have to say they were watching us every night because I don't think they'd quite got that stage thing together. They got their music together, but, well, they'll tell you themselves. They were watching us every night.
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Buzz Knight
Are you considering going out on an acoustic tour?
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Ian Hunter
I might, you know. No, no. When you're my age, you know, things come up. You have to be careful what you're doing. It's. It's in the works, you know. I had to cancel off once because of sickness in the family. And I do have tinnitus, which a lot of people have. I'm kind of used to it, but there's no real cure for it. And if I commit and then can't do it. And a lot of travelers get very upset with you, you know, because it's expensive nowadays. You get out of plane. If I'm playing New York, they'll come from England. I don't want them to put them through that. You know, that's a hotel, that's airfares, and then the gig itself. I want to make sure that I'm absolutely fit before I go for it. Yeah. And it would be acoustic, you know, Q and A acoustic.
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Buzz Knight
And there'd be one other mandatory aspect. I'm sure it would have to be fun for you.
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Ian Hunter
Oh, it would be fun. I got that for good. This isn't going to be a serious play. I've been inside from 1948. It's not going to be like that at all. I want to have fun, you know.
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Buzz Knight
Do you have any advice that you'd give to aspiring musicians looking to carve their own path out in the industry?
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Ian Hunter
Well, Dylan said to me, you know what I like about you? And I said, what? He said, you hang in. And all these years later, that would be my voice. You hang in. It's another business where success comes quickly or easily, I guess. Like A lot of other things, you know, and there's a lot of ups and there's a lot of downs and you just have to keep going. If that's what's inside you to that extent, you know, you just have to hang in and sooner or later the phone will win.
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Buzz Knight
Do you still approach the days where you yearn to learn something brand new?
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Ian Hunter
Oh, yeah, that's my whole thing. Yeah. I mean, I'm already on the next. Once it's done, it's done. That's it.
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Buzz Knight
Is there anything you'd like to learn that you haven't learned?
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Ian Hunter
Oh, yeah, sure. I'm out of factories. I'm not a genius. The stuff I don't know is enormous. But then again, you know, I'll join the club.
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Buzz Knight
Are there some people that you'd like to collaborate with that you have not collaborated with?
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Ian Hunter
You know, loads of people. My heroes like Chuck Berry and Little Richard and Jerry Lee. I wouldn't want to work with Jerry Lee. He was difficult. I remember him playing the Ritz in New York and his band didn't even go to the dressing room. They got off the front of the stage and mingled with the audience. I wouldn't have wanted to be part of that.
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Buzz Knight
And how about any new music you've discovered by maybe artists we haven't heard of that you'd like to bring to our attention?
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Ian Hunter
I don't do that, Buzz. I never do. I just write, you know, stuff that comes into my hand. I don't listen. I've been doing this for what, 50 years or something. If you're in an ice cream factory for 15 years, you ain't sipping ice cream anymore. Yeah, I do it to consider. I like writing songs and, you know, the next song, hopefully is going to be different or that's my. That's my fun.
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Buzz Knight
Congratulations, Ian, on Defiance part two. And it's so great to have taken a walk down memory lane with you. And thank you for all the great music that you continue to give us, sir.
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Ian Hunter
Oh, you're very welcome, Buzz.
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Buzz Knight
And thanks for being on Taking a Walk.
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Ian Hunter
Thanks for having me. Thanks for having me. Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a Walk podcast.
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Buzz Knight
Share this and other episodes with your friends and follow us so you never miss an episode. Taking a Walk is available on the.
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Ian Hunter
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