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Takin' A Walk - Music History with Buzz Knight
From Country to Alternative: Kalie Shorr's Inspiring Story of Music, Mental Health, and Personal Growth-Replay
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Kaylee Shore
Music saved me.
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Lynn Hoffman
Kaylee, I'm so grateful that you're here and I'm also glad that you are back on the scene. I'm glad that the last few years didn't keep you from coming back because I've done some research into you and your story is pretty amazing and so I'm grateful that you would come on and share it, even if it meant just helping one person cope with life.
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Commercial Announcer
Thank you.
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Kaylee Shore
That means a lot. I was having a conversation with my manager about that today, just about how most people probably would have called it quits around the time that they had to to go be a bottle girl at a club. And I did it. And I'm really thankful because you know, I'm back doing what I love every day. And you know, that's not something anyone should ever take for granted.
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Lynn Hoffman
No, that is for sure. Well, you know, I feel like we've already started chatting and if you wouldn't mind, we take a quick break and then we're going to come back and we're going to get right into it with Kaylee Shore. The amazing Kaylee Shore right after this.
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Kaylee Shore
This is an iHeart podcast.
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Kaylee Shore
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Kaylee Shore
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Kaylee Shore
Ross, work your magic. Music Saved Me have you ever felt.
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Lynn Hoffman
Caught between heartbreak and hope, where a single song becomes your lifeline? Well, welcome to Music Save Me, the podcast where we discuss just how that perfect melody can truly save us. I'm your host, Lynn Hoffman, and if you love the show, thank you and be sure to check out our companion podcast, which is Comedy Saved Me, available wherever you get your podcasts now. Today I'm so excited. We are joined by the authentic and incredibly talented recording artist, singer, songwriter Kaylee Shore, who has turned her personal struggles into anthems and her pain into power. And oh my God, does she have power. Her new ep, My Type has been hailed by Variety as a stunning return of one of the very best of the post Avril generation of alternative pop singers. Join us as we explore the moments where music wasn't just her passion, it was her survival. And may I also add, Kaylee's performed on stage with people like oh, Stevie Nicks and LeAnn Rimes, Sarah Evans. There's quite a long list. Welcome, Kaylee Shore to Music Saved Me. You've been doing this quite a while, even though you're still, dare I say, in your 20s.
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Kaylee Shore
Not quite. I just turned 31, but I do still feel like 25. And I think that given that. Given that I lost three years in my 20s to Covid, I think that that should be subtracted. So emotionally, 28.
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Lynn Hoffman
Oh, I like that. Wait, that's it. We're gonna take three years off for Covid?
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Kaylee Shore
Yeah. If you can't leave the house. Are you even in your twenties, you know? Yeah.
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Lynn Hoffman
So that's like taking three pounds off when you're on the scale if you're fully clothed.
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Kaylee Shore
Yes, yes. You get it. You get it. It's the exact same thing. Yeah. It's been quite the journey. I've been doing music full time for 11 years. I've been a, you know, professional recording artist for 10. My first single, fight Like a Girl, came out almost exactly 10 years ago, so I'm gonna have to figure out how I celebrate that. But, yeah, it's been quite the journey.
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Lynn Hoffman
It has. Well, welcome to music Saved me. And I. I want to start with you first. Kind of like go back to when you were young. Do you remember when you were first introduced to music? And was there a particular artist or an album that always felt sort of like a safe place for you when you were growing up?
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Kaylee Shore
Yeah, absolutely. I think I always loved the Chicks. That was one of the first albums I remember being fully sentient and processing the lyrics of. There's a song on there called Cold Day in July, actually released a covers project, so you can hear my cover of that anywhere you stream music, but it's a song about somebody leaving on a beautiful day. And I think that that's really relatable because, you know the world. And I have a song called the World Keeps Spinning about that same phenomenon where, you know, you're having one of the most heartbreaking days of your life, and you look outside and the sun's shining, and you're like, well, this doesn't match. And my grandfather had passed away when I was 7, and I remember listening to that song and really creating my own meaning out of it. And that's probably one of the first times I remember using music as a way to process something really difficult. And then from there, as my emotions got angstier and, you know, just that teen angst rage. I loved Alanis Morissette. I still do. I've been lucky enough to see her play live, see her musical on Broadway, and she's just always been a safe space. And then naturally, as most girls my age will say, Taylor Swift, for sure.
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Lynn Hoffman
Of course. Of course. When did you know that? You're like, okay, wait Music can actually heal me or heal people. Do you remember?
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Kaylee Shore
Yeah. I mean, probably around that time. And that was around the time that I started writing songs for the first time as well. And they were all very, you know, very six, seven years old at the time. They were about, like, stealing soda from the fridge out of sleepover and very rebellious. But, you know, I mean, that's just something that's continually proven to be true over my entire life with loss, both, like, losing family members and going through breakups and body image. I mean, it's. That's a lesson that's showed itself to me probably every year of my life. But, I mean, that probably seven years old is around the time. I mean, I loved lyrics as long as I can remember. And that was always something that was really important to me.
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Lynn Hoffman
Did you know that you always wanted to sing or write or perform, entertain? That kind of.
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Kaylee Shore
Literally as long as I can remember. And I. At the time, I thought it was a curse. Now I know it was a blessing. But I never had stage parents, and they really were dead set on me taking my time with doing it. So I was never pushed into anything. But at the same time, you know, the one thing I always wanted to do is pick up my guitar. So if I was getting grounded and they were like, okay, well, no tv, I'd be like, okay, I don't care. Or like, oh, you can't go over to your friend's house and be like, oh, no.
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Lynn Hoffman
But then they.
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Kaylee Shore
And I'd be like, oh, my gosh. So, you know, it was always something that I just wanted to do. And I feel like not having stage parents really helped me foster that love for it, because it was a space that was just for me. No one was forcing me to do it. There were definitely other things I considered doing because mostly I felt the pressure in school when someone would say, what do you want to be when you grow up? I knew I sounded stupid saying pop star. I was, like, embarrassed to say it. So I'd usually say, like, lawyer or investigative journalist. And, you know, I still feel like I love the skills that come with those, and I bring those into my personal life. Like, you can't lie to me. It's impossible. Don't even try. But, yeah, music. I mean, as long as I can remember.
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Lynn Hoffman
So I love that you said that. I have to tell you that I felt the same way when I wanted. I knew when I was seven that I wanted to do entertainment entertaining of some sort because I was in a theater production, and when I made people Smile. It was like I was hooked. Yeah, but you're so right. Because if you're going to be in a business like this, I guess you have to have a certain amount of an ego to a healthy ego, so to speak. But you didn't want to seem show offy in front of your friends or people that you cared about because of their view of the industry. So I used to tell people, I sell shoes, I want to sell shoes for a living and open a shoe store. You know, I never would say I want to be in television, radio and broadcasting or anything like that. So. So kudos to you for.
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Kaylee Shore
Yeah, I mean, it's, it's like, it's definitely. You don't want to be show offy. And especially like anything that makes you stand out as a kid is detrimental to your social standing, but it's also going to be exactly what makes you cooler as you get older. And I always tell kids that when I go visit music classes, whenever I'm on tour, I usually try to make time to go to the local high school and talk to the music classes and, you know, share my experience as somebody who's been able to make a living out of my passion. And there's always like one or two kids at the end of every class who I could just tell they've just been locked in the whole time. Like, the kids all seem to have fun. They're like, wow, there's a musician here. But there's always one or two. And I look at them and I see myself in them. And they'll have like questions afterwards that are just really thoughtful and I'm like, you might actually do this. And you know, I try to really put some extra time into those kids.
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Lynn Hoffman
That's so good of you to do that and to be able to give back. I mean, I think that's the biggest thing when you get a platform is, you know, do you give back or not? And that will really, you know, that shows who you are as a person, I think especially, I'm sure, as you know very well in this industry, you know, there's a lot of people out there that talk a lot and they don't all really mean what they say.
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Kaylee Shore
Yeah, and what a useless thing to do, right? Like, why would I wait? Like, I just feel like I only have so many few. I've only have so many hours in the day. I'm like, why would I waste it saying something I don't mean or I'm not going to follow through on? Like, that's just. I could be doing something else.
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Lynn Hoffman
So plus, these kids, really, I mean, even you to a certain degree. I didn't have to deal with social media or any of that, or cell phones and all of this. So, I mean, it's certainly a much more difficult mountain to climb to be involved in an industry that is so public.
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Kaylee Shore
Definitely. And that was something I experienced from a super young age. And part of what I do for my side hustles now, as I do social media consulting for other artists and brands, which doesn't feel so much like a self, like a side hustle. But I have been working with this teenage girl who's getting over the fear of putting herself out there on the Internet for fear of being ridiculed by her classmates. And I can walk her through that because I had my first viral video at 16. And that's. I always tell people, because there's a psychology to it. There's psychology to fame, to going viral, to doing music. And that's arguably the most important part of it, because if you can't keep your brain in the right place, you're not going to be able to do it. You can't fulfill your obligations and follow your dreams. So I'm always telling her and my other clients, like, you know, the human brain has not evolved to fully process fame or the Internet. We're only really equipped to know and remember about 300 people in our lifetime because that was the size of a village that our ancestors lived in. And our knowledge and innovation as humans has evolved past our own capabilities. And now we have AI, which is this whole other thing I want to get into. But you have to, like, really, really try super hard to even fathom what's going on when you go viral. And so the fact that I was doing that without a prefrontal cortex still blows my mind.
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Lynn Hoffman
I love that you know that, too. And by the way, just so you know, girls develop it sooner than boys, which explains so much. But we have to be equipped because we bird the babies. Okay, enough of that. I don't want to make the men all turn it off. Is there one song? And I ask you this with almost kind of knowing the answer, but for our audience who may not know who you are, I also want to let them know that you started off in country. You have a full, solid eight years of country music under your belt, and now you're relaunching as an alternative artist. Your voice, forget it. It's just amazing. So you could sing anything and make it sound incredible. But was there one song throughout Your career so far that you can say definitively changed your life. And I might be able to guess this, but I'm not quite sure if I'm gonna be right or not. So I'm gonna let you answer first.
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Kaylee Shore
No, I feel like we're on the same page. But definitely my first single, Fight Like a Girl, was. I mean, I don't want to say I took it for granted at the time, but there is definitely, despite me being fully funded growing up in the projects, raised by a single mom, all of the difficulties that came with that. I was incredibly privileged that my first single connected so well, and I was immediately off to the races. And looking back, I'm like, wow, that is not something everybody gets. And not only was that song huge for the trajectory of my career, it also really said something, and I feel really lucky for that that I don't have to perform this song 10 years later, that I wouldn't stand behind or even, like. Even, like it was about an ex boyfriend or something. Like, I don't. Sometimes I get bored of my songs if I'm like, over the situation. But that's something that I'll never get over. That's why I think it's important to sing about yourself, because the people you date will never be the most interesting thing about you. Your perspective will be. And so the fact that at 20 years old when I wrote that, that was the case, I'm very thankful for. And I'm very thankful that it's resonated with people on so much of a deeper level than what I even wrote the song about. I think that's the beautiful thing about music. The. You know, my favorite chick song, Cold Day in July, was written about a breakup, but I took it to help me through grieving my grandfather. So fight like a girl. I remember distinctly when it was on SiriusXM the highway. I went in to do a. To co host one of the shows, and they played me before I went on air, a voicemail that they got from a female soldier in Afghanistan who said that she listened to the song every day. I'm going to get teary. This happened, like 10 years ago, every day before she, like, started her day. And she'd listen to it in her headphones in her bunk in Afghanistan to, like, give her the resolve to get through the day. And I heard from so many people who'd survived cancer and domestic violence and all these different things, and I was like, wow. I wrote this about the music industry being sexist towards women, and you've just made it so much bigger. So many people have it tattooed on them like my handwriting or the lyrics or one girl has a full back tattoo. And it's just crazy to me that something I wrote when I was so young could resonate that much. But it's also a song that I've had to come back to and remind myself of as I've gone through more and more difficult things in my personal life and the industry. So I'm like, I see why people needed that song because I ended up needing it down the road as well.
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Lynn Hoffman
Yeah, I mean, it's amazing when you do something for yourself and then you realize how much it resonates with other people. It just breathes new life into even yourself all over again. Like you just said.
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Kaylee Shore
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PBS Announcer
Welcome back to the Music Saved Me podcast.
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Lynn Hoffman
And speaking of being personal, your lyrics are are unabashedly personal, raw, and very honest, which I love. Is there a line or a song of yours that you felt especially vulnerable to write and record or share? I should say absolutely.
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Kaylee Shore
I mean, I think that the songs that scare me when I go to release them are usually means that there's something to the song. I think my song Escape is still one of my favorites I've ever written. I wrote it about the addiction I saw growing up with my family, and it covers a lot of different bases. And I try really hard because my lyrics are so personal. And no matter what, you're going to be singing about other people and their decisions and what they've done. And I try really hard to have a, like, really rigid value system when it comes to that because you're singing about other people's stories now. If someone cheats on me, they shouldn't have cheated on me. I'm gonna write a song about it. You now made that my story. But when it comes to more sensitive topics, I remember playing it for my family before it came out, and I was so nervous because it talks about my sister's opioid addiction, my family's kind of toxic relationship with religion and my brother's alcoholism, as well as my own eating disorder, which is a lot for one song. Like, so trigger warning if you go to listen to it.
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Lynn Hoffman
Wow.
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Kaylee Shore
The thing that scared me most wasn't necessarily admitting my part of the story, but was putting other people's out there. But you can't deny that those things would affect me so much. But it's other people's stories that I try to be the most careful with. But that was definitely a difficult song, but it also sums up pretty much all the struggles of my childhood. And it felt so cathartic to write and then to release and now to sing and have other people take their own meaning from it.
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Lynn Hoffman
Yeah. And you know, when you say that, though, you just referenced. You know, you're telling your story, but you're also telling other people's stories. Does it ever come into your head that while you're telling your story, that someone else. For example, I was. When I was on Twitter, I'm not on anymore. I would write these. Just. I. If I was going to be on a public platform, it was only going to be positivity. That's it. I don't want to put anything else out there because I don't need to add to the worsening of society. Somebody got upset with me because, well, I'm not that strong. How can you write that? Because that's not, you know, it doesn't work for me. So when you're. When you're writing songs that are extremely personal and you're transforming that personal pain or struggle into something, you know, anthemic and relatable, do you ever think, how can you possibly please everyone?
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Kaylee Shore
Oh, for sure. I mean, that's the thing about the Internet is you're getting feedback in real time. People used to have to wait for album reviews to come out or, you know, hear. I mean, you just. You didn't have to deal with all the noise. People would have to say things about you in, like, a tabloid or whatever, which has happened to me. And that's also very upsetting. But, yeah, you're getting all this feedback in real time. And when a song is exploding, like my single Amy, I wrote that about a. A friend who started dating my abusive ex boyfriend a month after we broke up.
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Lynn Hoffman
Was she really a friend?
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Kaylee Shore
Well, yeah, looking back, no. But that song, like, you know, and I had her name in it, and I thought about it really carefully before I released it from a, you know, here's my excuse perspective. I only did that because she had put other people's names in the song that I was responding to. So I was like, okay, well, these are the rules, so I'm going to play by them. And I Wouldn't really change anything. That was something that ended up. I ended up hearing from so many people who'd gone through that, and just like the invalidation and the gaslighting of having someone you cared about just completely not care that somebody hurt you to that degree. But I, like, have had to be really thoughtful with how I went about that and just be careful to not put in any details that don't need to be there, just the sake of, like, being vengeful. That's something I really hope nobody feels about me. So when I see comments like that that are like, oh, you're just trying to get revenge, or you're being vindictive, like, those are my. That's the worst way I can feel misunderstood. So that noise does get to me. But I do have this. After going viral so many times for music and just sharing my story, I do have a way to kind of switch it off and just understand that, like, you know, overall, I do believe that people are good. And overall, I've never had a video that's gotten more negative reactions than positive because I am so careful. So you just kind of have to really tune out that and remember that we're dealing with numbers and percentages. And if you break it down and 5% of people are angry about that, 5% of people, like, hate ice cream and like music. Like, have you ever met somebody who's like, I don't listen to music. There's people with bad opinions. So if they have bad opinions, why do I care that they don't like my music or my video?
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Lynn Hoffman
Right. And I always say, what other people think of you is none of your business.
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Commercial Announcer
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Kaylee Shore
Yes, Taylor Swift said something like that on the podcast she did yesterday where she was like, even if the headline has my name in it, it doesn't mean it's my business. And I'm like, that is get. I'm going to put that on my wall or something.
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Lynn Hoffman
Gosh, yeah. And there's nobody, I think, better suited than you recently to understand that headlines are, that they're there to sell things. They're not necessarily who you are. And I do believe that when you were writing something about your dad telling you to. To be real when it comes to talking about things that are personal. For example, like the story of your sister passing horribly from an accidental overdose and then having to go on stage and then. And sing a song about that. It's wonderful that you're able to do that. And also I read about you that you're bipolar and you speak of that as well. And I wanted our listeners to also know that, you know, I look this up, like, 1, 2 in 3 people out of every hundred suffer from bipolar disorder. Like, if you want to put that into perspective, one out of 10,000 has multiple sclerosis. So, I mean, there's a lot of people who have a lot of issues processing things, and we're dancing around all of that with all of this, and it seems that music is always the thing that helps people the most.
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Kaylee Shore
Yeah.
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Lynn Hoffman
To bring us all together, the thing that we all have in common.
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Kaylee Shore
Absolutely. And, yeah, I mean, that was something I didn't want to talk about for a really long time as far as, like, you know, I talk about everything, but it took me a long time. And the person who actually got me out of my shell with talking about that was somebody who's a huge mental health advocate, Jewel, who's also one of my favorite singer songwriters. I love her. She had asked me to participate in a, like, a challenge she was doing with her charity that was, like, talking about mental health and destigmatizing it. And I was like, okay, if Jules gonna ask me to do this, then, like, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna say no.
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Lynn Hoffman
You know, how do you say no to her? No.
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Kaylee Shore
How do you say no to her? And I was like, you know what? I read the. About the initiative that she wanted me to participate in, and I was like, yeah, okay, this is time. And it was so scary to put myself out there. And that's also something I'm insecure about, because people really do love to take anyone with any sort of mental illness and act like they're. Every emotion they have is a product of that. But, like, things still go wrong for bipolar people. People still do hurtful things to bipolar people. I still have, like, my emotions are grounded in reality. I'm also really medicated, and I take care of that, and that's something that I want people to feel comfortable doing. You can only get to the point where you're taking care of yourself if you talk about it.
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Lynn Hoffman
Yeah. It doesn't define who you are.
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Kaylee Shore
It does not define who I am. Yeah. Especially because, I mean, it is only sometimes. Like, most of the time I'm like that. And that's good. I prefer to be like this. Yeah. So that's definitely, you know, I'm thankful to have, like, you said, my dad be really supportive in me being outspoken. And he said something to me one time that really stuck with me where he was like, there's two types of artists that are really important and they're equally important to each other. There's artists that help you confront and there's artists that help you escape. And sometimes I really just need to put on my post yoga, happy and relaxed playlist where there is nothing negative talked about. It is only purely happy vibes. But then sometimes I need to listen to Alanis Marset and, like, really examine how I might be contributing to my own turmoil. And that's something she's great at. And I admire that because it's hard to admit your place in those things. So those are two different playlists, but we need both of them equally. But he was like, I feel like you were put here to be a confrontational artist. And I'm like, thanks, Dad. I feel really seen. And being seen by your parents is a beautiful feeling.
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Lynn Hoffman
It is a huge thing. What. Speaking of that, what advice would you specifically give young women in music who are sort of trying to find their authentic voice? Because I gotta compare you. I saw you compared in Variety to Avril Lavigne. I've had the pleasure of interviewing her. And back in 2007, she released an album and Clive Davis gave her the opportunity to do whatever she wanted and whatever format, whatever sound edited however she wanted. And that never happens to anyone. And she was right around your age. You're doing that now. That's pretty incredible.
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Kaylee Shore
Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, being independent is a huge freeing thing. Collaboration's important to me. So I do really listen carefully to my team because there's a reason why they're professionals and they've been doing this and they've, you know, helped a lot of artists. So I'm like, I don't always think I'm right, but I do feel like having the ability to discern what your anxiety is versus your intuition is important. And so having just a clear recognizing when that voice inside your head is using a tone that's like, no, this is real, is super important. And that's kind of how I've gotten to that place.
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Lynn Hoffman
Before I let you go, is there anything that you would like to talk about that you haven't had a chance to. Because I know you're an advocate. You're big into advocacy for. For a few things that are very important besides humans, animals, all kinds of things. And I just think that it's important because we all know you're your own best advocate. But when someone like you comes along and you have a voice, you can advocate for many people.
- [31:50]
Kaylee Shore
Exactly.
- [31:51]
Lynn Hoffman
So I wanted to just sort of give you the floor to thank you to promote anything that's important to you. Yeah.
- [31:56]
Kaylee Shore
Well, one of my. I have two new songs that are coming out late this year, early next year, that are important to me. One is called Evolution, and one is called Everybody Dies. And evolution is about, you know, deconstructing toxic religious principles and growing up very evangelical. And it's my own battle with the hypocrisy that kind of comes with that. It does end on a cathartic. It's not just a purely negative thing or pointing the finger at anybody, but it's like the process of unlearning that. So that's something that I feel like I hear from fans about a lot. And I'm very. It's very close to my heart. And then Everybody Dies is about losing both my older sister and my high school best friend to overdoses and realizing that, like, no matter what is between you and a person, especially with addiction, you kind of. They're not the person you love anymore. They're you. What they are. They're the person you love, but they're not acting like them. And they become a totally different person because their addiction takes over. And I had this moment right before my sister died, about a month before. We hadn't spoken in about a year because of that. And I just had this moment. I was on tour, and I was like, I need to text all seven of my siblings right now and tell them that I love them. I just had this feeling, and I did. And her and I talked for the first time. And the last thing she ever said to me was that she was proud of me and she loved me. And if I hadn't gotten over my own grudges and resentment for valid things but things that were out of her control, I would have never gotten to say goodbye to her. And that would have made everything so much more difficult. So the song is about, like. It sounds really depressing, but it's like everybody dies to say I love you while you still have the chance. And those two songs, I feel like are going to be really important for my growth as an artist and just the message I want to put out there. So. So definitely, you know, mental health, addiction recovery, harm reduction, and, you know, just unlearning the hatred you may have been taught growing up.
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Lynn Hoffman
Wow. Kaylee Shore, thank you so much for coming on and sharing your words of wisdom. You're still just at the beginning of your career. And let's think. I love that we get to subtract three years off of our lives from COVID Start all over again. Keep rocking, keep doing everything you're doing and I can't wait to just continue to watch your star rise. You're just a breath of fresh air and I really appreciate you coming on the show today and sharing your story.
- [34:33]
Kaylee Shore
Thank you so much. This was a blast.
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Kaylee Shore
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