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Takin' A Walk – Music History with Buzz Knight

Episode: Hit Songs Decoded: Chris Dalla Riva on Data Driven Music Insights from Uncharted Territory

Air date: December 8, 2025
Host: Buzz Knight
Guest: Chris Dalla Riva, author of Uncharted Territory: What Numbers Tell Us About the Biggest Hit Songs and Ourselves

Episode Overview

In this episode, Buzz Knight sits down with Chris Dalla Riva—music data analyst, musician, and author—to unravel the surprising patterns and human stories that lie behind decades of hit songs. Leveraging Chris’ unique perspective and research from his book, the conversation examines how the intersection of music, data, and culture reveals the changing face of pop music, community, and the music industry itself. The episode offers deep dives into how hit songs have evolved in content, collaborative structure, and impact, and ends with a critical look at the influence of platforms like TikTok on the current music landscape.

Main Discussion Points and Insights

Chris’s Musical Journey and Connection to Data

• [04:34] Chris shares his early love for both listening to and making music, rooted in rummaging through his dad's collection and self-taught guitar from a young age.
  • “My initial love for music is that I love listening to music, I love playing music...I started playing, taking guitar lessons...immediately enamored with trying to write my own songs, start bands.” (08:08, Chris)
• Music and analytics came together naturally in his life, even when traditionally, people saw these as separate interests.

Writing Uncharted Territory: The Quest to Listen to Every #1 Hit

• [12:22] The book began unintentionally as a personal project to listen to every Billboard Hot 100 #1 hit since 1958, adding observations and gradually compiling a massive spreadsheet of song data.
  • “I was working in the exciting world of economic consulting...I was like, I'm going to listen to every number one hit on the Billboard Hot 100 in history...and track some information about the songs.” (12:22, Chris)
  • The journey took about 8 years and was ultimately sparked into publication by a chance connection from a TikTok post about an obscure #1 song.
  • “It was just this off the cuff TikTok about an obscure number one hit that I loved that ended up doing the trick.” (15:38, Chris)

The Healing and Social Power of Music

• [16:49] The process of engaging deeply with music offered Chris respite during challenging times—“a healthy outlet”—and fostered bonds with friends and family invited to rate songs or share stories.
  • “It was a nice way to connect with people across time about music...It really is a social thing. It's meant to bring people together.” (17:06, Chris)
• Buzz reflects on the sense of community experienced by collectively listening to albums and trading thoughts before digital listening privatized the experience.

Notable “Song Data” Insights from the Book

1. 1950s Hit Songs: Gruesome Deaths and Teenage Tragedy

• [27:04] A striking early finding: hit songs in the late 1950s were often about tragic deaths, birthing a subgenre known as "teenage tragedy songs" (e.g., “Teen Angel,” “Leader of the Pack,” “Dead Man’s Curve”).
  • “There’s a lot of number ones about people dying and they’re like war, people fighting...there was this trend at the time, and they come to be known as teenage tragedy songs.” (27:04, Chris)
  • Chris attributes this to post-war culture, the emergence of ‘teenagers’ as a demographic, and the tragic context of the era.

2. Songwriting Today: More Writers Per Hit

• [30:08] Compared to the mostly-duo songwriting model of the 1960s-1980s, a hit song today typically credits twice as many writers.
  • “From basically 1960 to around 1990, the standard is two people...but around 1990, this changes, and we see a pretty sharp uptick in the number of songwriters credited on number one hits.” (30:08, Chris)
  • Modern songs line up credits for producers, engineers, and anyone contributing, partly to avoid lawsuits over similarities. Remote, asynchronous creativity via technology makes collaboration easier and more complex.

3. Were the Charts Rigged in the 1970s?

• [33:03] The episode delves into issues of chart manipulation pre-1991, when reporting was survey-based and more easily gamed.
  • “People at Billboard would call up a sample of record stores around the country and basically be like, what's selling? You could understand why something like that could be manipulated...” (33:25, Chris)
  • Barcodes and digitized sales data after 1991 brought sharper accuracy.

4. TikTok’s Anonymizing Effect on Artists

• [38:06] TikTok is now as foundational to breaking hit songs as MTV once was.
  • “TikTok has become really fundamental to breaking hit songs...but you associate that sound with the trend more so than you do with the artist.” (38:06, Chris)
  • The platform’s trend-driven nature makes many viral hits feel anonymous; even #1 songs may not boost the artist’s public profile or touring draw in a lasting way.
  • Songs can take off through user-generated content independent of the artist’s intention—a shift from MTV-era star-centric promotion.

Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On wanting to walk with Bruce Springsteen:
  • “My musical hero has been and remains Bruce Springsteen...anytime I listen to him talk about music, it's very clear that the man is a student of the game and his knowledge...is obviously so deep.” (05:03, Chris)
• On music and community:
  • “Music is for me. It really is a social thing. It's meant to bring people together.” (17:06, Chris)
• On chart manipulation:
  • “Popularity usually begets more popularity...before 1991, it would be easier to manipulate the charts in some way.” (34:33, Chris)
• On TikTok and artist anonymity:
  • “There are songs that are very popular on that app that I don't think the people who wrote them could sell out a 100-person room.” (39:54, Chris)

Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic Description | |-----------|--------------------------| | 05:03 | Chris’s musical walk fantasy with Bruce Springsteen | | 08:08 | Chris’s early music connection and blending analytics with creativity | | 12:22 | How the “Uncharted Territory” project and book began | | 16:49 | Music as community and personal solace | | 20:20 | Chris’s first concerts: The Who and The Rolling Stones week | | 26:11 | First music ever bought by Chris | | 27:04 | 1950s teen tragedy songs and their historical context | | 30:08 | How songwriting teams have grown over decades | | 33:25 | Rigging and manipulation of the charts before digitization | | 38:06 | TikTok’s double-edged influence on song virality and artist identity | | 41:21 | Book wrap-up and where to find Chris online |

Resources & Where to Find Chris

• Book: Uncharted Territory: What Numbers Tell Us About the Biggest Hit Songs and Ourselves
• Online: Search “Chris Dalla Riva” or @cdallarivamusic on social platforms

Tone and Style

The conversation is enthusiastic, conversational, and deeply knowledgeable, mixing personal anecdotes with data-driven, music-history geekery. Chris is relatable and passionate, with a bit of dry humor; Buzz brings warmth, curiosity, and the perspective of a longtime industry insider.

Conclusion

This episode is a treasure trove for anyone curious about music history, data analytics, or how pop culture and technology shape—and are shaped by—our listening experiences. The intricate connections drawn between song trends, industry changes, and the ways we relate to music offer inspiration for both music fans and data nerds alike.