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Music Saved Me with Holly Lovell-"Finding Harmony in Heartache"
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Holly Lovell
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Holly Lovell
I remember the feeling when like my my CD player and my CD collection showed up like six months later and I got to listen to my music for the first time in like forever and I just finally was like, you know, like grounded in again. I'm myself again.
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Buzz Knight
I'm Lynne Hoffman and welcome to the Music Saved Me podcast. The podcast where I get to talk with musicians about music and its healing powers, helped save them, and discuss how music works its magic on us all in so many ways. Now, if you like this podcast, you might also really enjoy our companion podcast. Actually, I know you'll enjoy it. It's hosted by my dear friend Buzz Knight. It's called Taking a Walk. Please check it out wherever you get your podcasts. Today I am so fortunate to get to speak with Holly Lovell, an Australian American indie folk artist whose music is staged steeped in emotion like her song When Did I Lose you? Which chronicles the confusion of a disintegrating relationship. Her new album called hello Chelsea covers a range of topics that showcases her skill in conveying the power of music in dealing with grief, addiction, and healing. Holly Lovell, welcome to Music Saved Me. It's so great to have you here.
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Holly Lovell
Thank you so much for having me. Thank you for that intro.
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Buzz Knight
I. It's so well deserved. I have to say. First and foremost, your voice is intoxicating. You know, you meet someone, you hear their speaking voice. You're going to hear Holly speak with me today, but when you hear her sing, I didn't even have to know the words you were singing. I immediately felt better. And that, that truly speaks to the power of, of your voice. Your music is also very soulful and meditative. My first question is, what was your first connection as a musician that taught you about the power of music?
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Holly Lovell
My first connection that taught me the power of music. I mean, my, my mom, first and foremost, I mean, I think a lot of our music connection is our parents at first. My mom is deeply emotionally connected to music, so she, she processes her days and emotions through music. I know how she's feeling based on what was playing as she was cooking dinner. A lot of her artists are what I was originally steeped in. So one of my all time favorite emotive artists is Patty Griffin. I don't think anybody can write a song as steeped in like true, honest emotion as she can. She conveys it with her voice and lets her voice break a little in like what sometimes would be considered like an ugly way, but when you know what emotion it's conveying, it's like beautiful. Yeah, I love that. I love that balance.
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Buzz Knight
What songs or musicians you just mentioned, one of them have come to your rescue during some of your difficult times.
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Holly Lovell
I mean, Patty Griffin has to be like number one. Funnily enough, when I first moved to Australia, I was 12 and this artist who. She's. She's pretty known in the world, but she's very known in Australia. Her name is Missy Higgins. She was just breaking onto the scene when I was 12, and I just moved there. And her. Her out. Her first album came out, I think, when she was like, 18 or 19. So it was, like, very emotive, because that's what you are when you're like that age. And I. It was like such a gateway into, like, me feeling my feelings, because I think I don't do that naturally very well. I think that's probably why I songwrite and lean on music, to help me understand what I'm feeling and thinking. So, Missy Higgins, in the early days, I was really into Counting Crows. Just another. Another one. And then also the pianist George Winston, I listen to him a lot, too. Sometimes you don't need words.
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Buzz Knight
That's so true. That is very true. Do you believe music has healing powers?
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Holly Lovell
Oh, absolutely, yeah.
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Buzz Knight
What? Has there been anything specific that you've been healed from with the music that you've listened to and how you've used it?
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Holly Lovell
The healing power of music for me is really in writing this, like, in making the music. Listening to it does heal me, but it always pushes me to want to go make something because then I get my whole body involved and I can write and I can feel. I mean, even in those early days when I first started songwriting, I would be. I first started songwriting through poetry, but I would be writing poetry while listening to something that was like, unlocking that little thing in me, you know? And I think first and foremost, music unlocks something in you that then allows you to go and do the work of it. There was a song. There was a song that was really important to me when my uncle who passed away, that this album is about. That we're going to talk about. But when he passed away, I found this song by a songwriter named Donovan woods out of Canada. It's called Our Friend Bobby, I think. And it was one of those moments where it felt like he was writing the song about my heartbreak and my. What happened to my family. And I just sent it to my whole family and I sat in the car and cried. And, yeah, those moments where it's not like it healed me, but it understood me. It saw me in a place where I didn't feel like anybody saw me.
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Buzz Knight
Speaking of which, you, early on in your life, you moved from Australia to a new country. Did music come to your rescue during that time as well?
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Holly Lovell
Oh, yeah. I actually moved from the States to Australia and.
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Buzz Knight
So sorry about that. I just reversed the two.
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Holly Lovell
That's okay. I'm. And then I moved back. So easy to do. Yeah. I mean, I was 12, so I. I was in sixth grade. I just finished sixth grade, and I moved. And, you know, I was about to turn 13, and I. I definitely turned to music then. I. I remember that, like, when we moved, all of our stuff got shipped in containers, and so it took, like, nine months for our stuff to get there or something like that. Six months, maybe. Wow. And I remember the feeling when. Because this is before, like, streaming and everything, right? So I remember the feeling when, like, my. My CD player and my CD collection showed up, like, six months later and I got to listen to my music for the first time in, like, forever. And I just finally was, like, you know, like, grounded. And again, I'm myself again. And then. I don't know. I never talk about my Teigens, but I guess we're here in this, like, small saga of my life. And she was a real, like, grounding place for me when I first moved there.
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Buzz Knight
And now one of the things that I read about your newest release called hello Chelsea covers some, you know, some deep family history. Can you talk about your trip to New York city on your 28th birthday and tell us a little bit about how that family history of yours was involved? And the other thing is making this album, you did something that. It's almost like you went back to the 70s. I was talking earlier with Buzz about it. You did something that a lot of artists don't do anymore, which is getting in the studio with someone looking at them face to face and recording and. And writing. And you went, like, deep into the woods to do it, which I think you must be an old soul, because I don't think a lot of people even recall when times were like that, when you could. When you did that. Do you think that's a big part of why your songs and your music resonates with. With people? Because it was so emotional to make in and of itself.
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Holly Lovell
I think that there's definitely something carried in the. It's untangible. Right? Like, being in a room with other people and recording in that way isn't something that you can really put your finger on, but I certainly think you can feel it over time. All these artists that I love so much, the more I would learn about their records, there would be that through line of like, and they recorded it all in the same room, or like, and they did it live at the same time. And I started to just feel like there's something there. Like, I haven't done that before in recording. And they really feel like there's something there and something that's stripped when. When that isn't happening. So I wanted to try it, and I'm really glad that we did it on this record. But, yeah, I honestly, one of the reasons we did it was time restriction. Like, we had a couple weeks, three weeks, and me and my producer, Brian Joseph, we were like, you know, if we're gonna get this done, we're kind of just gonna have to go for it. Like, it's songs. Like, we're just gonna have to, like. We figured out how many songs a day that works out too. And we're like, okay, we are all gonna just play at the same time and just make it happen. And I'm really glad we did.
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Buzz Knight
That's so cool.
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Holly Lovell
There's also something for me when I, like, am playing my instrument and singing, and I'm really in the lyric emotionally, when I'm in that space, that it's really hard to recapture that, like, whole connection, you know, when I just do vocals separate or just do guitar separate. Like, they inform each other. And this is a very emotionally charged record. So it needed that.
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Buzz Knight
It definitely is. I just watched a music video for Lions Den, which I also want to talk to you about. It's. It's very emotional, and you're definitely working through some things that we all go through. And it's amazing that you're so open to being so open in your music for. For the community that. That listens to it. And it's. What does it feel like when you know how your music has connected, you know, so deeply with. With your fans and people who listen to you?
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Holly Lovell
Yeah, I think it feels incredible because I know. I know what that feels like as a listener, to, like, find an artist. Like I did with that Donovan woods song, where it feels like I'm, like, being seen in this place where nobody sees me. And to be. I mean, that's an honor. That's like something that. When somebody tells me something like that, I just don't quite believe them, you know, because I'm like, really? Like, I saw you in that place. That's so incredible. But it's also. Especially with this record, has been something that's. I'm having to learn how to hold for other people and really learn how to understand how to handle those moments. Because this whole record is about, like, my family's very specific loss with a family member, my uncle, who had A drug addiction and was in and out of this drug addiction and in and out of contact with our family until he died from an overdose. So when somebody connects to something like that, like that, you're already like, in totally different territory than if somebody was, like, connecting to, I don't know, a more easy topic, like moving across country. You're like, oh, yeah, same. I've moved across country.
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Buzz Knight
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Holly Lovell
You're already in totally different territory. You know, with this record, when somebody goes, yes, that's me. And you're just like, I'm so sorry that that's you. You know?
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Buzz Knight
Yeah, it's heavy. It's. It's heavy. But it must just feel so good that you're not alone. And then when you turn on Holly Lovell, you're like, yes, I'm not alone. This is exactly what I went through. And. And it's nice to know. It's amazing how many things you find out about when you talk, but music just takes it to a whole new level. It goes into you and so many ways beyond just talking.
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Holly Lovell
Yeah. So it's like immediate insight.
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Buzz Knight
Absolutely. Well, you actually just answered my last question. The one thing I wanted to tell you that I felt like we were very connected on was New York City, because I read that quote about how you have a love hate relationship with New York City. Can you expand on that a little bit? Because it's something I've always tried to explain to people and they just. They don't quite understand unless you've been there.
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Holly Lovell
Yeah.
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Buzz Knight
And you've done your time.
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Holly Lovell
Yeah. I mean, I feel like I spent a long time trying to, like, sum up how I feel. And then I wrote a bunch of songs about it, wrote that quote and was like, yeah, that's kind of it. Like, it's. There is an element of promise there, which I think everyone in the world feels about New York. You know, coming from Australia, all anybody ever wants is to, like, go visit New York. It has that element of shine to it. But when you're there long enough, and particularly for me, when I watched a. I don't know how long it would have been, 20 year journey of my uncle moving there, who he was at the beginning, and then the many times and amounts of time I spent with him towards the end, I just couldn't help but feel like it was the city that did that, did this to him. And it. I saw the underside underbelly of the city so much, and I would go there on. On trips to visit with him and got left on Corners, waiting for him to meet me at a corner. And I would wait there for hours. And you wait there long enough and you watch people walk by and your people watching and you just start to get that disappointed feeling that the city also has. When you're there long enough, you know, you kind of have this undercurrent of disappointment, and it's a really strange place to be. I walked, I remember walking with my grandmother and she was like, I hate this city. She basically was like, there's nothing here. And I was like, really? Because all I feel is, like, possibility. And that was the early days, you know, and then when I looked back on this whole thing, I was like, oh, I can see what she was feeling there. And they exist at the same time, you know, they exist at the same time.
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Unknown
It's.
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Holly Lovell
Yeah, it's tricky.
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Buzz Knight
It's a tricky place, but inspiring for sure.
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Holly Lovell
I know. It's the thing. Like, I've shared. I shared the hello Chelsea song, which, you know, the chorus is, I've got to get out of New York City. Used to love it, but now it kills me. I shared that with other songwriters that had lived in New York. And she was like, she's like, that's exactly how I feel. I love the city with everything I have. And also I was like, I. I have to leave. Like, I cannot stay here.
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Buzz Knight
Well, in a way, it does mean that you've conquered. I mean, you went there, you had a purpose and you were able to persevere. Just to persevere in New York City, I think is success.
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Holly Lovell
Even if you leave, you made there for a period of time.
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Buzz Knight
Yeah. Oh, my goodness. I could talk to you for hours. Holly, I really appreciate you spending some time with us on music. Save me. Was there anything that you wanted to discuss that we didn't talk about today that was important for you?
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Holly Lovell
I hope that, you know, this music finds the right ears. And I really appreciate you guys creating a space where you can acknowledge the healing power of music and lyricism and just that mystery that it is, you know, to get in to the places where others can't get in and unlock something. It's beautiful.
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Buzz Knight
Thank you. Wow, that was almost a song in and of itself. You just spoke and it was just an honor to have you on today and thank you and best of luck with the new album and come back and see us. We're not in New York.
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Holly Lovell
Thank God.
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Buzz Knight
Thank you so much.
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Holly Lovell
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.
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