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Takin' A Walk - Music History with Buzz Knight

Episode: "Runnin' Down A Dream with Mike Campbell: A Heartbreakers Journey"

Release Date: December 15, 2025
Host: Buzz Knight
Guest: Mike Campbell (legendary guitarist, songwriter, founding member of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, frontman of the Dirty Knobs)

Episode Overview

This episode features an in-depth conversation between Buzz Knight and Mike Campbell, tracing Campbell's illustrious journey through music history. The main focus is Mike Campbell’s new album with The Dirty Knobs, Vagabonds, Virgins and Misfits, but the discussion covers his origins, creative process, collaborations, and stories from his years with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers and beyond. The tone is relaxed, candid, and suffused with deep musical wisdom and warm reminiscence.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Origins & Early Musical Influences

• First Guitar and Initial Influences

  • Campbell shares his start on an unplayable pawn shop guitar.

    “It was basically unplayable...strings were real high off the neck. My fingers would literally bleed, I'd be trying so hard.” (11:09)

  • Chuck Berry was the first solo Campbell learned (“Johnny B. Goode,” 11:54), and he cites Berry, Hendrix, and Bloomfield as major influences, plus Keith Richards, George Harrison, Roger McGuinn, and Chet Atkins (13:04).

• First Concert Experience

  • Beach Boys at Jacksonville Coliseum left a big impression.

    “They sounded just like their records...that California dream of hope and happiness.” (14:09)

• The Magic of Pawn Shops

  • Campbell has a long love affair with finding guitars in pawn shops, including notable finds like a Firebird Gibson (14:58–15:58).

2. Emotional Return to the Church Studio

• 50th Anniversary Visit

  • Campbell describes returning to Tulsa’s Church Studio, birthplace of his musical journey with Mudcrutch and Leon Russell’s Shelter Records.

    “I had an out of body experience walking into that room after decades where it all kind of started with us...I could see my brother Tom’s ghost and philosopher old feelings again.” (05:45)

• Spirit of Optimism in ‘Dare to Dream’

  • The recent video shoot at the Church Studio stirred memories and optimism.

    “This song in some ways makes people feel that maybe life can be better. Then I've done my job.” (07:57)

3. Creative Process and The Dirty Knobs

• Approach to Songwriting & Recording

  • Emphasizes spontaneity and live energy in the studio:

    “I like to go off the cuff and try to grab things out of the air while you're playing the song and try to catch a little magic that's spontaneous.” (20:35)

  • The new album features both “recent and old songs,” with some tracks culled from decades-old demo tapes (29:13).

• Collaborations & Guests on Vagabonds, Virgins and Misfits

  • Graham Nash lends vocals to “Dare to Dream”:

    “At the end of the interview, I kind of sheepishly said, you know, would you maybe want to sing on one of our tracks? He said, sure, I’ll make your song better. And he did.” (09:01)

  • Lucinda Williams (“Hell or High Water”), Chris Stapleton, and Benmont Tench (“Don’t Wait Up”) all make appearances.

    “When I thought of Lucinda...she was real shy about it, but she came in and she added such a depth of soul to it...” (35:07)

4. Track-by-Track Album Highlights

• “The Greatest”

  • Written as a "thank you" to fans after a great tour, Beatles-y harmonies (30:45).

• “Angel of Mercy”

  • Tried over several albums; finally clicked with Steve Ferrone on drums (31:23).

• “Hands Are Tied”

  • Powerful, emotional, slightly “dark” song with unique Gretsch vibrato tone and a rare time signature switch (5/4). Features Campbell’s wife singing for the first time.

    “‘So on that song she just comes in...we layered her to make this great bed and it really gives the song a spiritual quality.’” (32:30)

• “Hell or High Water” (with Lucinda Williams)

  • Lyric-driven, dramatic duet with a strong narrative.

    “A lyrical workout...a story. There’s a character, and there’s like a little movie, and there's a lot of wordplay in it.” (35:07)

• "So Alive"

  • Down-tuned, live energy, described as a “burst of adrenaline” (36:20).

• "Don't Wait Up" (with Chris Stapleton & Benmont Tench)

  • Collaboration came from an old analog tape, features a Jerry Lee Lewis-style Benmont solo and Stapleton’s vocals. The lyrics are surreal and humorous.

    “The words are kind of, you know, ‘I am the Walrus’...but in a weird way, they kind of make sense.” (37:08)

• “My Old Friends”

  • Humorous, tongue-in-cheek song personifying alcoholic drinks as friends:

    “I got this idea that there's all these alcoholic drinks that could be people...because they have names like Don Perignon or Captain Morgan.” (39:16)

• "Innocent Man"

  • Described as Appalachian/Irish in feel, autobiographical narrative style, with a wild tour bus encounter woven into its lyrics (40:09).

5. Songwriting, Improvisation, and Heartbreaker Memories

• Signature Songs:

  • “American Girl”: The creation was live and spontaneous, characterized by his attempts to mimic a 12-string sound on a 6-string guitar.

    “I couldn't afford a 12-string at the time...I was trying to get a 12-string sound with the drone octaves.” (18:37)

  • “Breakdown”: Iconic riff created off-the-cuff, now the song's hook (20:35).
  • “You Got Lucky”: Built from a drum loop and synth chords, Tom Petty suggested the signature spy-movie guitar part (21:56).
  • “The Waiting”: Campbell played bass, with the final bass line inspiring the guitar part (23:10).

• On Improvisation:

  • Campbell prefers to capture magic “off the cuff,” believing listeners can feel the discovery in the moment (21:48).

6. On Influence, Collaboration & Living Legends

• Duane Eddy’s Passing

  • Duane Eddy was a huge early influence, recognized for his unique “twang” and deep tone.
  • Even British prog rockers idolized him, according to Steve Howe (17:49).

• Don Henley & Bob Dylan

  • Campbell relays that his collaboration with Henley on “Boys of Summer” almost didn’t happen, and that Dylan’s songwriting advice was invaluable:

    “Dylan said to me once...don’t just write three verses and a chorus...write 20 verses...number 14 and 15 might be great. So...work for better lyrics.” (41:53)

7. Present & Future: Touring, Growth & Artistic Vision

• Current Band and Touring

  • Campbell raves about his bandmates (Chris Holt, Lance Morrison, Steve Ferrone), upcoming theater tour, and opening act Shannon McNally (43:31).

• Continued Learning

  • On never being finished as an artist:

    “I want to learn to be a better singer, a better writer, and a better guitar player and can always get better. That's the beauty of the guitar and music in general. You know, the more you learn, the more there is to learn.” (45:12)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Mike Campbell on songwriting and healing power of music (07:57):
  “We always tried to aim toward hope and redemption...if a song maybe has a dark character, at least by the end, you hope there's some way he's going to get out of his predicament and life will be better.”

• On legacy (41:53):
  “My life is like that...things have dropped in my lap...I’ve just been charmed.”

• On collaboration (09:01):
  “I kind of sheepishly said, you know, would you maybe want to sing on one of our tracks? [Graham Nash] said, sure, I'll make your song better. And he did, you know, God bless him.”

Important Timestamps

• 03:08 – 07:45: Campbell’s emotional return to the Church Studio, origins with Mudcrutch and Leon Russell, the making of “Dare to Dream”
• 09:01: Asking Graham Nash to guest on “Dare to Dream”
• 11:09 – 13:46: Early guitar, self-teaching, influences (Chuck Berry, Hendrix, Chet Atkins, etc.)
• 14:58: Pawn shop guitars—stories of great finds
• 18:37 – 24:28: Creating “American Girl,” “Breakdown,” “You Got Lucky,” and “The Waiting”—process and improvisation
• 29:13 – 41:39: Deep dive into Vagabonds, Virgins and Misfits—writing, collaborators, song-by-song insights
• 41:53: Lessons from Don Henley and Bob Dylan
• 43:31: Excitement about touring and the future

Episode Tone

Mike Campbell brings a blend of humility, wry humor, technical insight, and deep musical wisdom. He is candid about the creative process, reverential toward his peers and influences, and openly grateful for a life of music.

Summary for New Listeners

This episode is a masterclass in rock history and creative songwriting, told by an architect of classic American rock. Mike Campbell shares not only the stories behind some of rock’s most enduring songs but his philosophy of artistry, collaboration, and the enduring search for musical magic. Whether you’re a longtime fan of Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers or curious about what drives a modern guitar hero, this wide-ranging conversation is required listening.

Recommended entry points:

• For Heartbreakers lore: 18:37 (“American Girl”) and 20:35 (“Breakdown”).
• For creative wisdom: 07:57 (on songwriting and optimism), 45:12 (growth and humility).
• For fans of the new album: 29:13 onward for Vagabonds, Virgins and Misfits stories.