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Takin' A Walk - Music History with Buzz Knight
"Stepping to her own sound with Grammy Winning Singer-Songwriter Cam"
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Taking a Walk I'm Buzz Knight and welcome to Takin A Walk. Some voices don't just sing, they speak to you on Taking a Walk Today I'm joined by Grammy winning singer songwriter Cam, whose music blends heart, storytelling and a bold spirit all her own. We'll talk about the journey, the lessons and the moments on the road that shape the songs next with Cam.
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This is an iHeart podcast.
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A
Taking a walk. It's so nice to meet you. Cam on Taking a Walk.
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B
Nice to meet you. Thanks for having me.
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A
Oh, thanks for being here. So we like to open the podcast with our signature question here, since we call this podcast Taking a Walk. Cam, if you could take a walk with somebody, living or dead, who would you take a walk with and where?
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B
I would probably take a walk with my grandma Marvel because I miss her. She was kind of like the light of our family. Huge personality matriarch. And I think I would probably take a walk with her at their ranch in Southern California.
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A
That would be probably beautiful, I'm guessing. Cam.
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B
Yes. Oh, it's gorgeous. It's like, I think people have this misconception that California somehow isn't country. Like, all the Texans and the Oklahomans kind of have like a chokehold on it. But, you know, we had our own Okie migration and we have our own dance halls and we got our own country music and we got barns and there's just palm trees sometimes in the mix.
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A
Exactly. So the new album, All Things Light, it's been called your most personal and sonically ambitious project yet. Can you share how motherhood and your recent life experiences have so beautifully shaped this record?
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B
Yeah, beautifully. In the way that, you know how they describe awe. Like, awe is this thing that's like kind of a mix of like terror and wonder at something that's sort of unknowable. And that's how I felt coming into motherhood and the pandemic at the same time. It was like a normal sort of identity crush and shift that happens. But then to have it happen while the whole world was going through, like an identity crush and shift. I'm laughing, but they have to laugh from like, it was just so intense. And I, I'M not someone that can be met with, like, an existential crisis and then just go, oh, I won't think about that today. I'll think about that tomorrow. I'm like, I get sucked into it and I have to stare it dead in the face and come to terms with it, like, fix it or accept it. And that's the only way I know how to do it. So in that time of like, you know, early, early baby on my lap and not knowing what was going to happen, I started spending some time by myself in the studio and these songs started coming out and it was like. It felt like a new well that I was, like, tapping into somehow. So it. It's. It's kind of like my patchwork of belie of things that I needed to hear and questions I needed to ask and, like, foundational, like, touchstones that I needed to carry me through that period.
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A
I often feel asking musicians what's on their playlist shades the way I think a new creation comes to light in its own regard with those influences that are on a playlist. So what would we see on your playlist?
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B
My playlist is all over the place, which maybe is why people say things like sonically ambitious. And I think it's because my normal is like a very big, wide net. Like, I grew up in a children's choir, so I learned how to sing in, like, Bulgarian folk songs and like, Verdi's Requiem. And so I have things like musical theater, like soundtracks to classical music, to folk music, to, like, just everything all around to, like. I got really on a kick of, like,'60s French pop music for a while, and there's not many things I dislike. Maybe. That's maybe more of an issue.
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A
Any particular artist, at least on the folk side that you want to single out?
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B
Yeah, well, I think you can hear it on the album, too. Joni Mitchell, for sure. And, yeah, I just love. My mom loved folk music. And I remember, like, in college getting really into Bob Dylan, and I was like, mom, you're not going to believe this guy named Bob Dylan. And my mom was like, I was smoking pot and quilting to Bob Dylan before. Before you were a twinkle in your daddy's eye, you know, like, it's so. It's so, so fun now having recorded music and getting all of us, getting to experience it at the right time in the right age, you know, and then reconnecting with everybody about how that affects everything. So the Weavers, that folk group. Which side are you on? Which side are you on? Love that, too.
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A
Oh, I Do I have to confess something? Whenever a guest such as you sings a little bit just like you did, you might be able to notice that I was blushing with joy when you did that.
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B
I like doing it, so I just.
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A
I couldn't resist telling you that, but. Oh, are you a finger picker?
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B
With guitar, you mean?
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A
Yeah.
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B
I am an untrained, unskilled, and somehow people think it's like, inventive. So, yes, there's no pick involved. There's kind of a strummy thing happening, and it's not. I don't. I won't recommend it to anyone, but every now and then I'll play on a record like I got to play on Sam Smith record that we did together called palace, and. And everyone's like, what is that tone? It's like the tone of ignorance and just pure emotion. Oh, come on.
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A
It sounds beautiful.
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B
Yeah, but it's the. I think sometimes being untrained, you know how they say, like, for meditators, like, being a beginner is like the best thing because you don't have the expectations. You don't have any of those. You're not trying to force it to be anything. And I. My guitar skills, I'll keep around beginner level for that reason.
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A
I don't know about that. Do you feel in today's world of the way studios and, you know, software works, that the beauty of imperfection has sort of been left behind?
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B
Yeah. Yes. And then I think there's this other, like, symptom that comes up with it that people wrote overly romanticize. I'm so at fault of doing this too. Like live. Very, very live, raw music. And the opportunity we all get to get into recording spaces now, like, there's not the inherent same gatekeeping, which is amazing, but also, like, you didn't have to work so, so hard playing live and touring it for years to then finally get in and play something live. So the abilities of people to play live and play raw and unfiltered and have happy accidents, I don't think they happen as much either because people are just. We don't practice it the same way. We just show up with crazy ideas and we want to record it and then we go tour it.
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A
The lead track on All Things Light turns out that I'm God, correct me if I'm wrong. It was inspired by Alan Watts, wasn't it?
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B
Yeah.
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A
An Alan Watts lecture and deep introspection. What. What drew. Drew you to those themes and. And how did they find their way into your. Your songwriting?
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B
Yeah, I wasn't raised religious. My dad was a Catholic and then decidedly not a Catholic. And my mom kind of like, I think did a couple Christian Science things one time, but never really. They're both very, you know, spiritual people, but not religious. And I loved that growing up. And then I hit this, you know, unsure time, like I was telling you, and I. I needed something more. And so I think reaching for anybody that wanted to talk about being spiritual, but that had a language that I could understand as someone that wasn't raised in religion, it's like, I kind of like, I don't have the vocabulary to just jump in. In a lot of spaces. And so Alan Watts, you know, he's kind of like, self, admittedly an entertainment orator most of the time even. So him just like. I just found, I don't know, all of us, like New Agey people do. We just get into these philosophical lectures. And that one, I remember sitting in studio and listening and being like, whoa, what if we're all God? And we've just forgotten? Like, why does that feel so important to say to me? And why is it so hard now that I'm on the other end of it, singing it to people? Why is it so hard for some people to hear and accept? And it's very interesting to me, the effect that song has on people and the people that need it. Just. It makes me want to cry how wonderful it is to hear people, like, finally say that about themselves and recognize the divine in themselves and what a comfort that is. And. Yeah, and it's very, very interesting to hear people that they can't. They can't or won't, or don't wanna. Don't wanna hear it.
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A
So you had some. Some interesting collaborators on. On this project. Tyler Johnson, Jeff Bhasker, anybody. I'm leaving. Leaving out. That was.
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B
Yeah, actually tons, to be honest, because Tyler is kind of like my musical brother. We came up together. I met him, a boyfriend of mine, a long time ago, shared an apartment with him, and we were just like, let's make music. And here we are all these years later, still making music, which is so fun. And Jeff I've worked with on the past albums, too. He's, you know, obviously a huge name. And then it was so fun because Tyler and I set up shop at East West Studios, which is where they did Mamas and Papas and Beach Boys, Pet Sounds. And it's obviously iconic and you can hear it in the room. And it's such a fun spot to sort of sit in and brainstorm and come up with ideas. And then we'd have in Los Angeles, you'd have really talented people just swing by and help out, like Ethan Gruska and Michael Uzuru. And it's, it's like I joke that it feels like kind of like a little sitcom or something because I walk through the door like, hey, you know, and let's what fun thing are we gonna do today? And yeah, Tyler and I said we just had the best. This was probably the most fun we had making a record because obviously we're very. I don't know if it's obvious, but I'm pretty serious when it comes to, like, the music and the content of it. And he can be very serious about it too. But I feel like we held it much more lightly this time around. So it made for a really fun time between us and with, you know, all these incredibly talented people coming in and how they could work with us.
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A
Welcome back to the Taking a Walk podcast. So you studied psychology and you worked in research labs and then you made the big leap into into music. How do those experiences outside of music sort of impact you as you kind of reflect on it?
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Yeah, I, I think being slightly older and having just like had another job, that in itself helps because I think a lot of young people that they're like I don't, you know, they don't go to college and they come straight into the music business and it'll just eat us all alive. So I think I felt slightly more grounded. Although you're never quite ready for all the punches that get thrown, but the. The psychology of it. I think the same thing that, like, drives me when I find, like, a concept or a line or, like, a melody, and I'm like, I can't let it go. I dream about it and I think about it, and I have to. I have to shape it into something that is, like, I have to make it. And that feeling, I think, was like a related distant cousin that I was sort of, like, trying to figure out how to chase it when I was doing psychology research, because there was like, why. Why do I feel these things? And why does everybody feel these things? And what is the point? And what is it? What does it mean? And kind of framing it different ways in these different labs. Like, there was a lab that was about relationships and how you do conflict resolution and relationships, and there's a lab about attachment theory, and there's a lab about cultural differences and, like, the emotions we want to feel. And all of it was, like, starting to get at, like, pulling at the threads of, I think, this sort of through line that goes in me. And it's finally. I think I landed on it with music where it was like, oh, this is. This is the method that's gonna help me, I don't know, execute my purpose. That sounds really heavy, but it's just. There's something to it all that it's like. It's very discovery. Discovery oriented.
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A
The psychology of the song slowed down really spoke to me immediately in the world around us. Do I have that right?
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B
Yes. Yeah, I hope. I mean, I hope it spoke to you. I feel like it's very fun singing that song for people that haven't heard it yet because they're like, I've watched grown women, like, shed a tear, and people just be like, whoa, I needed this right now. And I. Yeah. Our culture is not built for, I think, full presence. You know, in all of our moments, we're very rush, rush, busy, busy. What did you. What'd you get done today? That. That determines how you feel about yourself. And my first time experiencing, like, outside of that, I went to Nepal after college and time and, like, efficiency and, like, all these, like, super. I didn't realize, like, American, like, practices and behaviors. Like, it just. It was completely out the window, and it was like, oh, you don't have to live like this. And it. It blew my mind. And so I've been trying to. It's a reminder for me, too. I've been trying to live slower, especially now that I've got a little kid. I want to spend time with.
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A
You've written for some massive artists. You mentioned Sam Smith earlier, Beyonce, obviously, while also forging your own, you know, unique path. What lessons do you take from those experiences and how have they influenced your. Your solo work?
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B
I think the. I've been so lucky to work with people that. And artists that are doing it in the. In the light that I get to see them for, like, art's sake, like, they're making and. Which sounds so maybe obvious, but it's not obvious. I think there's a lot of people who are doing this because either they love being the center of attention or they are. They think that there's, like, money to be made. And I don't think the same money is around to be made anymore. And I think some of those people, I'm hoping that weeds some of them out selfishly. But the people that, even at those levels that they're at, they could be in cruise control and they could say, well, I'll just do what I've done for eight more records and be done with it. And they don't. They push themselves into. They're chasing something too, you know, artistically, or they're. They have a. Their purpose is to be making something and they're following it. And I love being around that energy. Yeah.
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I used to sometimes scratch my head when, I don't know, you could fill in the blank with any artist or band, you know, that is going back out for the final retirement tour, you know, and I, Yeah, I would give the collective eye roll. But then the more I kind of either listen to the artists or read about the artists, it truly is the art that they're chasing and that importance of community, connection with an audience. So I think I. And that I want to ask you about how important for you is connection to community when you go out and play live?
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Yeah. Oh, my gosh. It. I. Because I actually do weigh it, you know, do I want to tour or not? Like, I take time between albums, and I take time before I do things, and I don't take it as a given. I'm on a road, so therefore I must keep doing it. I like to decide for myself every time. And I absolutely. I get so nervous right before I go out, as everybody does, I think. And then I feel so, like, at peace and welcomed. Like, my husband is so funny. I'll be like, oh, I'm so nervous. I gotta, you know, show tonight and this is happening. And he goes, you'll feel better when you sing. And it always happens. I do just Feel so much better. I get up there, I sing, I feel better. And you're looking out at these people and everybody, it's like they're there because they feel the same way. And we're all having some version of the same experience. And that's probably the most, you know, honest to God, spiritual experience that I've had, you know, like, and I. I wish everybody could feel it. I think you feel it when you come to the shows too. You have this like, wow, this is like a whole moment we're having together. You know, you're synchronized somehow. Yeah, it's really special.
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A
We produce this other podcast, it's called Music Saved Me. And it's about the healing power of music and what it means in that regard. Do you personally believe that music has supernatural healing powers?
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B
Yes, a hundred percent. Like, I gave like a TEDx talk one time about how healing music is and how it's a part of every culture humans have ever had since the beginning of humans. So we absolutely need. It is such a huge part of our. And it's like, not individual. It's like a community based behavior, you know, and it just. Everybody, every time I sing, people want to come up and tell me how the same thing that you're saying, like how it saved them in a marriage, in an addiction issue, in just a rough time in their life in a, like the Valleys, you know, and I. You're not always in a valley, so you can be having a great time and go to a show and just have a great time. But I think for music to like, save you, save you. It's when you feel like there's no way out and then a song like, just sneaks in to your heart and it reaches you and it reminds you of something that's outside of yourself and you. Yeah, it's. I can't imagine a world without it. Like, I think it's probably the thing we could maybe be most proud of as human beings that love and music, you know.
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A
Your work, in my view, explores vulnerability as a strength. Why is honesty such an essential tool for you as a. As a songwriter?
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I. Sometimes I think it's because I'm really like, like stubborn and I sort of refuse. Like, if someone wants me to do something and they tell me to do it, I. Then all of a sudden I go, I don't want to do that anymore. And if you tell me, oh, you shouldn't do that, then I definitely want to do it. And I don't know exactly how it ties back in, but there's something where, like, I have to feel like it's my choice. And I know that's probably so obnoxious in a lot of situations, but it's also, like, so real and so me. And that's where I think if I strip back anytime I'm being a people pleaser, anytime I'm making sure I'm checking boxes that I. Society, told me I should do to feel successful. And you strip, strip, strip. And then you get down to the heart of it. It's like, this is the thing that makes me feel seen or feel safe. I just feel like that's the whole point. I feel it in my body when I do it, too. Like, I feel it in my stomach. And it's like, that's. That's what you're supposed to be doing. But music's such a weird thing, you know, Nobody really, like, you can go to music school, but nobody really teaches you, like, how to really know the feeling of what's right and wrong, you know?
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A
Talk about the song Kill the Guru. What was the inspiration? There was a sort of a. A period of time where you were traveling and you were looking for something. Talk about that.
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B
Yeah, that song. I honestly, I feel like anyone who says they have all the answers is, like, the biggest red flag. Like, it's that you should run away from anyone who says, I know exactly how life goes. I know exactly what you need. You know, it just is, like, the scariest thing you can hear. But I had to learn that the hard way. I actually, like, fell in love with and dated Guru, like, when I was on that trip in Nepal. He was not Nepalese. I don't want to give him Nep leaves people a bad name. But I. And I found out the hard way, like, just. It's so intoxicating to be around someone who acts like they know and they have all the answers. Especially when you're your 20s, you know? And, like, I just. Oh, my God. Of course he didn't. And of course he was just a total narcissist. So kind. Like, this is my. You know, I love when there's, like, a wink in there. It's kind of country, too, to, like, have your. You're singing something and the narrator is, like a false narrator, like, sort of lying, like, are you feeling lonely? I know what to do, you know? Like, I love when there's, like, a switch like that. And, yeah, it's like, kind of also. I get the last laugh by naming it Kill the Guru.
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A
I get the last laugh. I love that. That's outstanding. You've had some great collaborations with folks such as Harry Styles, Tim McGraw, Beyonce, Alicia Keys. Any future collaborations or dream projects you want to reveal just between us, I love that.
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B
I feel like to me, I am just in a spot where I am so excited for the right opportunities that walk through the door. And I'm sort of, I'm sort of most excited about someone who hasn't like broke yet. Like, something in me is really excited and to meet somebody totally brand new because those are my favorite people. If I have my full dream scenario. People that have done it all and now do not care and they're doing only what they want to do. And the people that are so brand new, they don't know any of the rules, so they don't follow them either. And they just have so much hope and optimism for what they can achieve. And those two types of writers and musicians are like my favorite people to work with. So I feel like I've met some people at the top now and I want, I want more brand new, brand new energy.
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A
So you're going to be hitting the road for, for a bit, right? And yeah, folks getting to, to see you out there. But in closing, what do you hope that listeners take away from the new album, especially when it comes to, you know, the important themes of resilience and self discovery?
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B
Yeah. Thank you for putting it so well. The first line is I was busy waiting for someone to live my life and that's that autopilot we can all find ourselves in that I found myself in. And then something happens and it shakes you awake or is a very oftentimes negative, sad event that can kind of break you. And I hope that this album is like companion to your grief as it was to mine. And then the end of the album is try. I just say try a bunch of times like stacked and I'm like screaming it and it's. I just hope people feel like they can hold space for the darker things and then they still have this light that I'm giving them to sort of walk through and it's, it's for them and it's for my daughter too. You know, I hope when she's older and feeling lost, this is something that can be there with her.
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A
I'm so grateful to have met you and to have had you on the podcast, Cam.
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B
So wonderful talking with you.
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A
So awesome congrats on all things light and good luck on the tour and all good health to you and all good health to your family.
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B
I appreciate that. Right back at you.
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