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Taking a walk.

Daryl Hall (2:27)

I circle around a lot of people and everybody's so busy. That's the main problem with the Darrell's House show. They got schedules, you know, and it's hard for them to come up to upstate New York or Connecticut. It's logistical difficulty and that's the main thing. So I don't really plan too much ahead. I see who's available at the time and just pick somebody no deeper than that, really.

Buzz Knight (2:54)

Welcome to the Taking a Walk podcast where your host Buzz Knight talks with legends from the music business. Today, Buzz is joined by Darrell hall, half of the hit making duo hall and Oates. Darrell is the star of the award winning series Live from Darrell's house. He was inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of fame in 2014 and he's responsible for numerous top 10 hits on the Billboard Hot 100 and other charts. He's a multi Grammy winner and nominee. Darrell is also known for his numerous charitable, including his work with the United Way and other organizations. And he has a new music project out as well. Let's welcome Darrell hall as he joins Buzz Knight next on Taking a Walk.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (3:42)

Darrell, welcome to Taking a Walk. I'm so excited.

Daryl Hall (3:44)

Ah ha. Okay. Nice to be here. Yeah.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (3:47)

This is so fantastic. Listen, congratulations on creating in so many forms these days. You're creating new music which we'll talk about. You're creating with your show, which we're going to get into as well. You're out on the road as well. Do you ever sit idle?

Daryl Hall (4:09)

I have an off mode and I, and I use it and I, I'm, you know, to call me an avid reader is an understatement. And I just turn it off, sit there and read whatever I'm reading and that's the end of that, you know, And I have the ability to do that. If I didn't have that, it would, it would not be good because I'm really busy. I have so many things going on at once. That's the only way I can sort of balance it out.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (4:39)

Is there a part of your work that you enjoy the most?

Daryl Hall (4:43)

Yes, yes, the part. Well, the two things I actually have equal joy and doing the Darrell's house show is, is an unbelievable experience. It's like hours of, I don't know how, like high energy, ecstasy kind of feelings, you know, where things are just going and you have no idea what's happening or what's going to happen or. And it's all seat of the pants, you know, there's no, there's no rehearsals, no nothing. And so that is very, very stimulating to say the least. That's. That. And equally is like, when I'm working in the studio with somebody like Dave Stewart, my friend Dave, there's a certain kind of energy that goes down, is really hard to describe when something's making something out of nothing. And I think I would equally rank those as like, the top of my. The top of my list of excitement.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (5:45)

So let's talk about your latest music first. The collaboration wasn't the first time that you and Dave Stewart had worked together, but tell me about how great it is working with him.

Daryl Hall (5:57)

Dave and I have a very unique relationship, creatively and personally. I've known Dave since the mid-80s. We started working together back then, and we have never really gone apart for very long. We do things together. We know each other. We. We. We literally live around the corner from each other down in the Bahamas. He's just like. He's. He's like my best friend, you know, kind of thing. And, and we, we have an amazing creative relationship. I mean, it's intuitive when, whenever I get together with him, I feel alive and, and he, he stimulates me in ways that I don't know anybody else could do. Musically.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (6:50)

I think he's one of the most underrated musicians out there. My opinion.

Daryl Hall (6:55)

Well, it's, it's. He's beyond. Well, I call him underrated. I don't know, because that's, it's a denigration that I. I don't know. He's. He's. He's all over the place. This man is a powerhouse of ideas and projects. He's got a million things going on at once, and music is only one of those things. And, and he's, he's. He's just a. His mind. To say his mind is fertile is a boy. Well, it certainly is.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (7:26)

How would you characterize the. The sound of this, this new music that you've created?

Daryl Hall (7:33)

Well, I don't know if I could. I don't know. It's me. It's, It's. That's. I called it D because that's my name. You know, that's. That's what people call me, my friends. And I think it's really personal. And nobody but Dave could have. Could have brought that out. And it's, it's. It's something that's unique to me. I mean, I wasn't channeling anybody. I was channeling myself. My, My own Past and my own emotions and my own experiences. So I don't know how you characterize that. It's Darryl music.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (8:06)

It's the best part, right? That it's just. It's all. It's all you. It's authentic Darryl.

Daryl Hall (8:12)

Yeah.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (8:14)

So let's play a little word association game. You can go first or I can go first. But one word.

Daryl Hall (8:23)

What?

Interviewer/Podcast Host (8:23)

One word describes Darryl's house.

Daryl Hall (8:28)

Electric.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (8:29)

I would agree, but I. The first one for me, and I've been going through this in my head prior to talking to you. Joyous.

Daryl Hall (8:37)

Oh, yeah, okay. That's. That's a good word too. There's a lot of things. It's a million things.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (8:43)

I mean, from the first time that I saw the show and the way it's evolved every time I watch it, it's joyous, it's electric. It's wonderful.

Daryl Hall (8:54)

Yeah, well, that's the idea. That's. That's what I try and convey. And that's what. Well, I don't have to convey it. It just conveys itself. It's not just me, it's the band. It's everybody. We're all, like I said before, we're all doing this for the first time. It's just like, boom, out of nowhere. We have this. Sometimes a stranger as a guest a lot of times, and we're making something happen that. That even surprises the guests, you know, because it comes out differently than they ever expected.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (9:26)

How important when you started the show was the ability to have creative freedom in terms of how this thing would flow.

Daryl Hall (9:35)

It was essential. I could not ever have done this show on a network television situation. This was. This was an Internet show. It still remains an Internet show. I've been on TV with it. Trust real tv. But I. It's. It's home is really the Internet because of the freedom that. That it requires. You cannot have anybody saying, you have to do it this way, or why don't you change the format? Or you. I actually, in the very beginning, I'll tell you a story. In the very beginning, I did shop it around to networks because I thought, okay, you know, it was the old days, it was almost 20 years ago. And I. And I thought, okay, maybe this. You know, let's try and see if we can get this on tv. And I went to all these different program directors at tv, and you would not have believed the shit that they said to me. You know what my favorite one was? Well, but, yeah, but you need a contest or something. You need a contest at the end. You know, it Needs to have a payoff. And I'm thinking, what the are you talking about? You know, and it. I got a million stupid things like that said to me. So there you go.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (10:53)

And that created the certainty that you knew. This ability to control your destiny with it was essential.

Daryl Hall (11:00)

I knew I was doing the right thing by sticking and doing the Internet thing, which was a real challenge in those days because there was no Internet shows. It didn't exist. It was hard for people even download it. You know, it was. It was. They had a weight, you know, let it load up and all this kind of crap.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (11:18)

You know, you created this what I would call kind of experiential content, experiential tv, in that, you know, we, the audience, we feel like we're inside your house. I mean, you created a new format that I don't think really existed before.

Daryl Hall (11:38)

I don't think it did. I think I created. Made something up. And the reason it feels like it was in my house is because it was in my house. You know, I just. I went with it. I just went with reality. I mean, you talk about reality shows. This is a reality show. I mean, it's. There's no scripting, no nothing. You know, it just happens.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (12:05)

In the early days of the show, were there any sort of odd stories that occurred that, you know, were just part of the journey, you know, difficult experiences or just technical experiences that were unique back then?

Daryl Hall (12:19)

Well, there were, you know, yeah, I mean, there were things. Nothing major, but, you know, we'd get caught in snowstorms and things like that. You know, I mean, I lived up the first house that I had that I did most of the shows, the early shows. It was. It's pretty much on the top of a mountain. And, you know, as luck would have it, you know, like, monster snowstorm would come and I. And I'd be trying to get Smokey Robinson or somebody like that to get into the house and, you know, people are slamming into the garage, in the ice and, you know, all that kind of crap. So, I mean, it was. It was things like that that were really, you know, I wouldn't call them problematic, but, you know, there they were.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (13:05)

Talk about the role that the late T Bone Wolk played in not only the creation. Co. Creation of the. The show, but just in general in your world.

Daryl Hall (13:18)

Well, other than Dave and I, I would say T Bone has. Was my best friend. And. And oddly, the three of us were really close friends and. And boy, it's hard to say. I. I don't. We had a really Close relationship again, musically. And I think the, the vibe of the show in the beginning would have been different if T Bone wouldn't, wouldn't have been evolved. I think he helped to set this, to set the stage for it all, to set the mood of it because of his personality as well. You know, he, he really, really added, really added to the, to the early shows, to the shows that he, that he was around for. And his loss was really major. That's all I could say.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (14:17)

Do you consider yourself kind of a natural born teacher? To some extent. Because I feel like with the new artists that you champion in your career and on the show, I sense this deep connection that you have to sort of pay it forward to the next generation. Am I reading that correctly?

Daryl Hall (14:37)

Yeah, I, I, My mother was a teacher. You know, she was a music teacher and an art teacher. And I, I, I, the idea of teaching and learning. Yeah, I, I, I, I do look at myself as a bit of a teacher. And what can I say about that? Yes, I, I do. And I, I have that, what's that word? With, especially with the, the new bands, I want to bring them in and, and help them, you know, I, I, I always have that kind of proprietarial feel. You know, I want to see them shine and do good and all those kind of things. I guess that's what a teacher does.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (15:18)

Yeah. I feel like you're rooting for them and you're giving them a little kick along the way and you're probably giving them your own dose of reality about the business, aren't you?

Daryl Hall (15:26)

Without a doubt. It's always interesting to see how they react to these, all these veterans that they're thrust into, you know, the situation they're thrust into, you know, because they're, I mean, I've done shows where these kids were like, you know, 20, 21 years old that, you know, they walked in with their guitars, whoa, what's going on? You know, and, you know, it's surprising is they're the ones that have, seem to have the least nervousness and self consciousness when you get a veteran, somebody who's been doing this as long as me, and I bring it into the situation. They're so uptight, it's unbelievable. And you have to calm them down because they, they don't know what's going on. They're so out of their comfort zone.

Buzz Knight (16:11)

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Welcome back to the Taking a Walk podcast.

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I think Smokey Robinson you just brought up a little while ago, and I know Smokey means the world to you in terms of influence and just, you know, everything you've taken from him. Talk about what Smokey means and talk about how special it was having Smokey on the show.

Daryl Hall (20:20)

Well, he was one of those ones and there was only a few of them, actually. I mean, I, I was, Smokey was my hero when I was a teenager. I mean, he absolutely was. I was a, you know, I used to, I actually met him back then, you know, when I was about 18 and because I used to hang out at the Uptown Theater in Philadelphia and that's where he used to play in Philly. You know, it's kind of like the Apollo Theater in New York and places like that. And, and he always treated me from the get go from, you know, I was a kid. Well, he wasn't much older, but, but he, he was, he's such a gracious person and such a cool guy and I, I don't know, I always go over the years I was bumping to him and, and he was always just so natural and real with me and I totally respect his music. His music was unbelievable and continues to be and to have him at the house. I couldn't believe it, actually, because it was one of the earlier ones. And I'm thinking, oh, I'll give it a shot. And I can. I called him. I got his number and I called him. I said, look, you know, I live. I'm doing this show. You want to. You want to come? And he went, sure. And I was like, okay. And he was, like, sitting at the dinner table there with me and then telling stories with. You know, and I'm thinking, wow, I'm. You know, I'm doing something really unusual here.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (21:50)

Who are some of the guests that you're currently going after that. That you hope you can secure for the show? Can you share one or two?

Daryl Hall (21:58)

No, I. Because I don't really go after them. It's. I circle around a lot of people and. And everybody's so busy. That's. That's the main problem with the. With the Darrell's house show is that people.

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Daryl Hall (22:12)

They got schedules, you know, and it's hard for them to come up to upstate New York or Connecticut. So. So anyway, that. It's. It's. It's a. It's a logistical difficulty, and that's the main thing. So I don't really plan too much ahead. I see who's available at the time and. And just pick somebody and. And just like, no deeper than that. Really.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (22:40)

Well, because you got to balance out touring as well, right? I mean.

Daryl Hall (22:45)

Yeah. Does everybody else. You know, there's so many things going on. I have to find time to do this. They have to find time to. And. Yeah, like that.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (22:55)

So the current tour is with a pretty interesting gentleman that you're. That you're out with these days, Elvis Costello. Tell me how special that is.

Daryl Hall (23:07)

Well, that tour actually just finished. I did two months with Elvis, and Elvis and I go back again to the 80s, and we did a record. We did a song together, one back then. And there's a lot of mutual respect going on between the two of us. And talking about T Bone. T Bone, for a very short period of time, played in Elvis's band and did all that kind of thing, so. And we know we have a lot of mutual friends, Elvis and I, and it was. It was. It was. It was nice to be out there on the road with people like. Like Elvis and his band, because they're all such friendly guys. We know each other. Well. I don't say we. I know some of them. Them. And I got to know them and they're all good people, man. And that means A lot on. When you're on the road because you're just out there. You know, there's nobody but you and the people you're with. It was. It was a very pleasant experience. That's the best way I could put it.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (24:07)

And then, of course, you were out with Todd Rundgren. And I know you guys go back, talk about your relationship with Todd and what he means to you.

Daryl Hall (24:17)

Well, Todd is like one of my oldest, oldest musical friends. And I mean, I've known Todd since the old. My Philly days when we grew up in Philadelphia together. We really do share a lot of history, and I enjoy having him on stage with me, going back to the

Interviewer/Podcast Host (24:37)

Philly days and the great Gamble and Huff. Can you talk about the experience with Gamble and Huff and what you learned from them? I'm sure you learned a lot from them.

Daryl Hall (24:50)

Did I learn from them? Well, you know, to say, actually, I'll backtrack on that. Yes, I did learn. I learned how to play the piano the way I play from Leon because I used to just watch him. And, and he. And I have, in our crazy way, have a kind of a similar style. But we, we grew up together. I mean, those guys are a couple years older than me, and they had already got started, but we were working with the same people in the same places. And I was coming up and they, they grabbed hold of me and, and I wound up being in their circle of, of, of music, you know, both in the studio and, and, and. How do I put it? I mean, I, I was, I was just there with them the whole time. And, and this was in the really good days. This is, this was in the very beginning when before. Before the sound of Philadelphia really broke into the world. And, you know, and, and they were working with bands like the Intruders and, and Barbara Mason, people like that. And, and, and they, they dragged me into it and I was, I made a record with, with Leanna Kenny and, and that was the first record I ever made. I was a teenager. I worked at Kenny's record store for a while. There's so many experiences, you know, so many studio experiences and, and, and watching shit go down and, and, and, and hanging out with those people. It was, it was an amazing time for music for me, you know, in Philly. And I learned. I mean, I became a Philadelphia musician through that. I mean, that's what I do. No matter what kind of sound I put out there in the world, it's still. It's still got Philly soul down in there somewhere, you know, that's that's my, that's, that's what I do.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (26:47)

No doubt. You were at a moment in music history. I wanted to ask you to recall the, the We Are the World session. Of course there was the great documentary recently about that. But that must have been like an out of body experience.

Daryl Hall (27:05)

Wasn't, was a strange experience. I don't know if it was out of body, but because it was. I've said this many times because people have asked me so many times about this experience. And I said because everybody was in there. And before you walked in, they said, you're the only one allowed in. It's just you, you can't bring, you can't bring your assistant, you can't bring anybody. Right? And these people, including myself to some degree, but more them than me, they didn't know how to handle that because people walk around with their entourage. That's what people do. That's what musicians do for good reasons. By the. And it made everybody kind of have to reevaluate what they were doing and how to deal with each other. A lot of people knew each other, a lot of people didn't. And I always say that it made everybody feel like they were in the eighth grade because it was, it suddenly became junior high chorus because that's what everybody could relate to. They could relate to Mr. Mr. Jones, Quincy up there being the, being the choral leader. And everybody acted that way. And they started getting very childlike and people passing around the sheet music for sign autographs and do all this kind of stuff. Very like high school kind of things. And that's, that's, that was what I took from it. The whole time. I was really surprised at how it, what the common denominator was for all those people at that time.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (28:48)

Thanks for taking us back to that. My God, tell me the best advice you ever got that still resonates in your, in your head.

Daryl Hall (28:59)

Paul Williams of the Temptations just said to me one time, just don't lose your soul, whatever you do. And as simple as that. That, that speaks volumes, man.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (29:10)

That does say it right. My God. How do you sort of train for the road? Do you go through a particular discipline before you head out, or is it really just a mindfulness to just take good care of yourself? How do you train for that?

Daryl Hall (29:27)

It's more of a mindfulness. I don't do anything special for it. I, I, what I, what I have to say is I like to be out on the road frequently because if, if I spend really, really long time off the road Then I. Then I meant that book too long. You know, sitting there reading too long and I gotta get on the treadmill and, you know, you know, get back to shape. But I don't do anything, particularly not.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (29:58)

What do you think of the state of the music business these days?

Daryl Hall (30:01)

I think it's a strange place, really. There's still elements of tradition that need to go away, but they exist and probably always will. And. But mostly it's. It's a free for all. It's all over the place. And I think it's hard. It's hard for new musicians, for sure. Very hard. Because you have to. You know, it's a different path, but at the same time it allows. Because there are many different paths. It allows you to. To. To get somewhere without the traditional, oh, have a single and, you know, have a hit single and, And. And, you know, kiss the ass of some program director somewhere and. And do all that kind of stuff, you know, it's. It's. And have to listen to some idiotic reviewer that doesn't know what he's talking about, or Sheen who doesn't know what he's talking about. It's. It's a little freer, you know, like Daryl's house. Daryl's house exists. That's, you know, that's like every, Every show is like having a hit record.

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That's a great description to that, man. Really is.

Daryl Hall (31:20)

Yeah.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (31:21)

Can you talk about maybe three quintessential albums that still to this day kind of impact you and how you just think about music?

Daryl Hall (31:35)

I don't have. You asked me this a little earlier. I. I don't really have anybody, anything like that. There's no one thing that influenced me to that degree. You know, I mean, I've been. I've been inspired like a. But by. By certain people and certain music, certain albums. But I, I can't say that there's this album say, oh, this changed my life. This did this, did that. It just isn't there inside my head.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (32:06)

It's more the diverse relationships and the styles and just everybody sort of doing their thing.

Daryl Hall (32:13)

Regional experiences and regional sounds and city sounds, all kinds of things. You know, it's really not just being influenced by. I'm a terrible audience, if you want the truth. I don't respond well as an audience.

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Interviewer/Podcast Host (32:33)

I almost fell off my chair, really. Well, lastly, we talk often about sort of that it. Factor X factor that leads to success and careers. What do you think is your X factor?

Daryl Hall (32:52)

I have a certain kind of voice. That people really like and it sounds a certain way, it has a certain tonality if you really want to get into it. It's, it's very radio friendly, but beside that, I don't know, it's, it's, it's whatever I'm throwing out there people seem to like and I, I, I'd be the last person to put my finger on it or what it is that, that, that grabs people about anything that I do.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (33:24)

Well, I think authenticity would be on that list, sir.

Daryl Hall (33:28)

Okay, I'll accept that one.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (33:32)

I'll lead with that and I'll end with that. And I'll tell you how grateful I am for all the music that you have continued to give us. And the joy of the creations that you make is very special. You could almost take Darrell's house and turn that into a case study on how to build build a franchise. So congratulations on all that. I don't mean a franchise like McDonald's. Come on. I'm not saying I have a franchise.

Daryl Hall (34:01)

We like that.

Interviewer/Podcast Host (34:01)

But okay, I'm calling it a franchise. And, and thanks for listening to this episode.

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