← Takin' A Walk - Music History with Buzz Knight
Takin' A Walk - Music History with Buzz Knight
"Taking a Stroll Through the 80's: A Conversation with Martin Fry of ABC."
00:26:15
Loading summary
Transcript89 lines
- [00:01]
Maria Tremarki
Welcome to the Criminalia podcast. I'm Maria Tremarke.
- [00:04]
Holly Fry
And I'm Holly Fry. Together, we invite you into the dark and winding corridors of historical true crime.
- [00:11]
Maria Tremarki
Each season, we explore a new theme. From poisoners to art thieves, we uncover.
- [00:16]
Holly Fry
The secrets of history's most interesting figures, from legal injustices to body snatching.
- [00:22]
Maria Tremarki
And tune in at the end of each episode as we indulge in cocktails and mocktails inspired by each story. Story.
- [00:29]
Holly Fry
Listen to criminalia on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [00:35]
Unknown
Do you want to see into the future? Do you want to understand an invisible force that's shaping your life? Do you want to experience the frontiers of what makes us human? On tech stuff, we travel from the mines of Congo to the surface of Mars, from conversations with Nobel prize winners to the depths of TikTok to ask burning questions about technology, from high tech to low culture, and everywhere in between. Join us. Listen to tech stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [01:06]
Buzz Knight
Taking a walk.
- [01:07]
Martin Fry
But when I do look out into the audience, I realize that music is a communal thing. You know, it's kind of in reggae, they talk about a sort of universal consciousness, but I realized that those records were hits that we had in the day because people celebrated them. You know, it made sense to them, the guys at the time. It meant. Meant something. You know what I mean? It captured a little bit of the moment.
- [01:29]
Buzz Knight
Welcome to the Taking a Walk podcast, the podcast that delves into the stories about musicians and their creative process. If you want to explore musicians and their resilience and how they embrace the power of music, check out our companion podcast, Music Saved Me, hosted by Lynn Hoffman. Today, we're thrilled to have with us a true legend of the new romantic era and beyond, Martin Fry, the charismatic frontman of abc. Martin's distinctive voice and sharp songwriting have given us timeless hits like the look of Love and Poison Arrow. We'll be delving into Martin's newly released autobiography, the look of Love. Welcome, Martin Fry, to Taking a Walk with Buzz Knight now.
- [02:14]
Unknown
Well, Martin, thanks for being on the Taking a Walk podcast. I appreciate it. And since it's called Taking a Walk, I wanted to ask you.
- [02:22]
Martin Fry
Yeah.
- [02:22]
Unknown
If there was someone you could. A walk with, living or dead, doesn't have to be a musical figure, but it could be. Who would that be? And where do you think you'd like to take that walk with them?
- [02:36]
Martin Fry
It would be nice to take a walk through the center of London with David Bowie. Yeah. I just finished a book by Paul Morley called the Age of Bowie and it kind of traces Bowie's kind of 60s, basically, when he was trying to have a hit record. He had a hit eventually with Space Oddity, but he spent a lot of time in Soh Regent street, all those kind of city streets and back alleys in central London. Yeah. So it'd be nice for him to give me a tour of London, a city I know well. Yeah. And in the book.
- [03:09]
Unknown
Oh, that would be marvelous.
- [03:10]
Martin Fry
Obviously, when David Boy finally broke through in the uk, particularly with Ziggy Stardust, the Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust, the front cover was him in a. On Haddon Street. I think it was just in the. In the post box there. Yeah. So that'll be an interesting trip. A little wander through. Through London Town.
- [03:27]
Unknown
I think that'd be great. Now, you must have encountered Mr. Bowie over your career.
- [03:33]
Martin Fry
Yeah, I mean, I'm a massive fan, still am. And a friend of mine, Paul Morley, wrote this fantastic book, the Age of Bowie, and I realized. I never read it until now. I just saw Paul recently, he's a great writer. And I kind of realized, reading the book, that I'd been mourning David Bowie. You know, he passed away, as we all know, what, five years ago now? I think so. Yeah. It's kind of. It's taken me a while. I'm such a big fan. It's taken me a while to go back to the music and play Station to Station and Aladdin, say and Young Americans, all those great albums he made. Yeah. Back in the day. Yeah. When we first went to. We're doing some recording with Trevor Horn on our first album, the Lex Can Love, and we went to Good Earth Studios for a couple of days, and Tony Visconti owned that studio. So David Bowie showed up there. He was kind of doing. Performing in Ball. I think this is 1982, I think. So we were kind of her fledgling band from Sheffield in the north of England, making our first record. And in walks David Bowie. So you can imagine the effect of that. But he was really cool. He hung out and he kind of made a lot of suggestions for the record. And he seemed to like the atmosphere in the control room, you know, so it was great for him to sprinkle a bit of his magic Stardust, his Ziggy Stardust onto the project. Yeah, it was a good omen. And I came, though. Well, I mean, I'm a fan, as you can tell, but he came to a show, stood in the wings Watched a show and nobody told me he was there because they knew if I knew, I would freak out. You know, is it wise to meet your heroes? I know once I was in Los Angeles and I went to see Prince. Incredible show Prince put together. I think it was. I think it was the end of the Cherry Moon tour. And somebody said, you want to come backstage? And I kind of. Oh, I don't know. You know, I'm kind of. I'm gonna head back to the hotel. I've seen an incredible show. I don't know. Is it wise to meet your heroes? And now I say, yes. I wish I had them. Yeah.
- [05:36]
Unknown
And, you know, back to Bowie there. I mean, what an unbelievable way for him to go out, right, with being so ill and so creatively inspired, you.
- [05:47]
Martin Fry
Know, bringing new music, though. Yeah, yeah, very much so. And when I look. I mean, when I read the book, I started to kind of reassess a lot of things about his career. His career was really avant garde by today's standards. He was very popular. He's a big star, but he always kind of went down that original route. Originality was at the forefront of everything he did right to the end, you know, with the band on Black Star. Yeah, that album. So, yeah, he's a great. I mean, he affected a whole generation of my generation. And all the bands that came through when we started with abc, like Duran Duran and Depeche Mode and the Cure and, I don't know, New Order and all these bands were definitely influenced by the way David Boyd put things together. Yeah, definitely. I mean, there's many artists out there. I love all sorts of music, but, yeah, that's why he's on the wall.
- [06:37]
Unknown
And I think what's also a really cool story, which I recently learned, was how Peter Frampton had had that part of his career that went kind of sour and. And Bowie said, well, you're gonna come out on tour with me and you're gonna kind of re. Establish yourself after going sour here. And. Yeah. Which I think was so. And Frampton is so grateful for that, obviously, because it kind of helped resurrect his career.
- [07:04]
Martin Fry
Oh, yeah. Peter Frampton's dad taught Bowie, didn't he? At art college? I think that's what I read. Yeah. This book was very in depth. You know, I was sitting at home listening to. I was in. Listening to Walk on the Wild side, Lou Reed, and the sax solo comes on, and I thought to myself, who played that? Is it a couple of session players from that time? And in the book, it Tells me, you know, so it was to be, you know, when the universe is telling you something, when you're in, your information arrives just after you've asked the question.
- [07:30]
Unknown
So it sounds like you never.
- [07:32]
Martin Fry
And obviously Walk on the Wild side was a production. David Bowie and Mick Ronson produced that one. Yeah.
- [07:38]
Unknown
So it sounds like you never had a plan B in your career as a musician. Is that fair to say?
- [07:45]
Martin Fry
No plan B. Yeah, I'm hitting. I'm in my mid-60s now, and there's definitely no plan B. Yeah, you got to go right out on the ledge. Yeah. And hope the people like what you do. Yeah. That's the secret. You beat to your own rhythm. Yeah.
- [08:01]
Unknown
You must be really excited to be back again. Co headlining there with the super awesome previous guest on Taking a Walk, Howard Jones.
- [08:10]
Martin Fry
Good, I'm glad Howard's been sitting in this very seat chatting to you. Yeah, I've known Howard for a long time from, you know, from the 1980s. And I ran into him, oh, about 10 years ago. We're out there doing sort of TV shows in Germany and we're both being. Re. Establishing ourselves as New wave legends, you know, after a long, illustrious career we both had. We were there, you know, getting respect from, I don't know, all over the world. So it felt really good to kind of go on the road in August, September last year, ABC and Howard Jones. And the tour was a phenomenal success. So we're doing it again in different parts of America and head off to San Francisco next Thursday. Yeah. For 18. 18 dates.
- [08:54]
Unknown
18.
- [08:55]
Martin Fry
And then we head over, finish in Brooklyn and then across to Philadelphia. Yeah, Philly, The.
- [09:01]
Unknown
The New Romantic movement. It was a huge influence, obviously, and still is. How did you see ABC's role in that movement?
- [09:13]
Martin Fry
Well, the New Romantics never really took off in America, did they, really? It was kind of a post for. In Britain, it was a post punk thing because punk was massive less so in American in the late 70s. Popular, but not as you know, it was a big cultural thing. So I'd say we were a bit post punk. We came out and things were getting very minimal and there were loads of great, very art pop bands like Perubu and Joy Division and the Cure. Like I say all these great bands, we do get described as New Romantic, but I think there were other bands that were more New Romantic than us. Yeah, we kind of came out in the early 80s wanting to make people dance. We wanted to fuse the two worlds of kind of the dance floor. And also the bands that were kind of very Intellectual, I suppose, and arty, like Joy Division and the Cure and bands like that. And then we go out to clubs and listen to Chic and Sister Sledge and Earth, Wind and Fire and all those great R and B tunes. So we definitely were all about fusing the two worlds together. And fortunately for us, there was a whole generation that were coming through. Looking for an opportunity to get out and dance and socialize and hit the clubs. So throughout the 80s, the club scene was, you know, it's pretty dramatic. Not in every city, but in a lot of cities. That was a big thing that was ticking away there, um, for everybody, you know, from Madonna to Prince to Michael Jackson, they all benefit. And Bruce Springsteen, they all benefited from that sort of club life as well as the rock world. Yeah. So, yeah, we came along and we wanted. We wrote. We wanted to write songs that were quite emotional and romantic. So I guess that's where the new romantic thing comes in. Yeah, we're considered new wave in America. Yeah.
- [10:58]
Unknown
But would you say it was bi. Coastal in America in terms of the popularity basis?
- [11:04]
Martin Fry
Yeah. I mean, we'd had a platinum album in Britain. And, you know, everything was going our way. But we wanted to conquer America, you know, like the Pretenders did and the Police and soft sell at the time. So we flew in. And I remember first show we played was in Phoenix on a Tuesday afternoon, On a WET Tuesday in 1982. And I'm stood there on stage in my shiny gold lame suit and my kind of diamond tuxedo. We've got the violins in the corner and I realized the audience is just not ready for us On a wet Tuesday night, you know. But fortunately, when we hit New York, yeah, there was, you know, Andy Warhol came to the show and took us down to the Factory. And when we hit L. A. I remember name dropping again. But Stevie Wonder came down. He'd heard the look of Love on what he called his local station. And I just thought it was the one he listened to, but I think he owned it. Called KJLH Joy, Love and Happiness. K Joy, Love and Happiness so it was a matter of weeks, really, where we played some very tough shows in the middle of America. Where we were completely unknown and confusing the audience, put it that way. And then we played the, you know, in California and in New York. And we realized there was an audience for us. But of course, then MTV took off. Cable TV was getting kind of increasing as we spoke. So people were picking up those cable TV subscriptions. And suddenly MTV was a big influence on the music scene. Yeah. Kind of early 80s.
- [12:38]
Unknown
By the way, Stevie Wonder still owns that radio station.
- [12:41]
Martin Fry
Does he? Sorry. Yeah, yeah, cool.
- [12:43]
Unknown
He does, yeah. Yeah. So what inspired you to write your autobiography at this. At this point in your career?
- [12:51]
Martin Fry
Well, I. I'm in a good. I'm at a good point in my career where I can pick and choose, really, 40 years on. It's wonderful. It's a privilege to get on stage and sing the look of Love or When Smokey Sings, and to really throw a lot of energy into those shows. It just felt right. I've avoided writing any sort of memoir for a while, so I just figured it just felt like the right time. Yeah. On a whim. But it's. Yeah, I kind of wrote it, and then we brought in a lot of photographs. It was mainly a really big art book. It's not really that available in America, So the art books about this big wrapped in gold lamy. It's a bit of an art statement. And there's a smaller book that you can have shipped, but I'd like to get it distributed in America. Yeah. So. But it just felt right to share some of the adventures I've had, you know, in the world of. Like I'm doing with you now in this conversation. Yeah.
- [13:47]
Unknown
Did it feel like your writing style is different in terms of writing the autobiography than your writing style for songs? And is there anybody that influenced your writing style for your autobiography?
- [14:01]
Martin Fry
You know, someone like Zadie Smith or contemporary writers like that who can handle comedy, humor, pathos, Martin Amos, people like that, Saul Bellow, you know, there's loads of great writers, but memoirs tend to be the. I don't like them when the ghost written, to be honest with you. You know, there's a lot of guys in bands just haven't ghostwritten. They start them on Tuesday and they finished on Thursday, you know, because you want to know where the bodies are buried. You know, that's the real deal. So I don't know, really. It just kind of. It felt like a natural thing to write. Yeah. Yeah. It is kind of nice to capture the flavor, but it is hard to capture how you felt in 1984, you know, because it's a long time ago. I'm a different man now, obviously, all these years on, but in a way, I'd already attempted that because I made an album called the Lexicon of Love, too, which came out in. In Europe around about 2016, 2017, where I kind of. I was so buzzing from watching the audience's reaction to the shows. I realized That a lot of people had, you know, grown up with our songs, really got married to them, maybe got divorced to the other, another set of tunes, remortgaged, remarried, had kids, and life is really about the ups and the downs, you know? So I wrote an album called. With tracks like Viva Love and on it called X Can I Love to, which kind of looked at the world through my eyes as an older man. So, yeah, I kind of got used to looking at information how it was back then, but how you perceive it now. It's kind of an interesting way of working. Yeah.
- [15:39]
Unknown
Had you been journaling all through the years early on?
- [15:44]
Martin Fry
No laptops, of course. So I did. Yeah. I'm a lyricist, so. Yeah, there's a lot of journals. And with the book. There's a kind of. I gave a load of journals to the guy I was working with on the book, and he kind of condensed it, so there's some versions of songwriting journals. Yeah. And I realized then that they're pretty psychotic, really. But you eventually clamber up the side of the mountain and provide the song. You know, there's a lot of changes. You go through scribbling out different things. I don't really write many journals these days, but when I was a teenager, yeah, it was my only friend. Yeah. That's why I'm a lead singer. Yeah. That's why I've been chasing an audience ever since. Yeah.
- [16:26]
Unknown
And what's the feeling like to this day when you're out performing and you're connecting with the audience and you could kind of see the absolute joy they have in seeing the performance.
- [16:38]
Martin Fry
Yeah. I mean, our audience has changed, developed. You know, there are, like, I say there are guys who were there from day one. There's a whole new generation coming through interested in Spotify. But when I do look out into the audience, I realize that music is a communal thing. You know, it's kind of. In reggae, they talk about a sort of universal consciousness, but I realized that those records were hits that we had in the day because people celebrated them. You know, it made sense to them, the guys at the time. It meant. It meant something. You know what I mean? It captured a little bit of the moment, and I never undervalue that. And to be able to stand on a stage in 2025 and. And see an audience kind of, you know, having a good time, that is priceless. Yeah. Absolutely.
- [17:21]
Unknown
Nothing like it. Yeah.
- [17:23]
Martin Fry
Yeah.
- [17:24]
Unknown
So if we were to get a peek at your. Your Spotify collection.
- [17:30]
Martin Fry
Okay. Yeah.
- [17:31]
Unknown
Your playlist, what would be on there? That would kind of intrigue us, surprise us. Or not.
- [17:39]
Martin Fry
I don't know. I listen. I've been listening to a lot of Chill out, so a lot of air, the French band. But I was listening to D'Angelo last night. Voodoo D'Angelo is somebody who intrigues me. He's. He only made three albums. Second one's called Voodoo, third one's Black Messiah. But I like people that are complete artists. Everybody from Joni Mitchell through to Prince D'Angelo. Yeah, he's just. He's. Every single record he made and he. He's only made a few in a 30 year period was incredible. Yeah, I've been listening to a lot of jazz. I don't know why I'm putting Spotify up. So. Moon Safari. Yeah. And My Life Love, My Wife Loves Sade and I'm sitting here in the. In Barbados. So as Twilight hits and the light comes down, it just feels right to put on your Love Is King or something like that from Shadow. Yeah. But I listened to a lot of different things. Really, what have I got? Hits. Chill Out Classics. Chill Evening and Jazz Classics. I think that's a bit of Frank Ocean in there.
- [18:42]
Unknown
Thanks for sharing that. And. And, and is that.
- [18:45]
Martin Fry
I don't know if that's surprising.
- [18:46]
Unknown
I'm not surprised.
- [18:48]
Martin Fry
Oh, and I went. When I was in New York last time, I kind of got. For some reason and I am out by the ocean here. But I got into yacht rock. I kind of really went into the yacht rock phenomena because I didn't really quite understand it. And you know, I love hall and OATES and Michael McDonald anyway, you know, so I got into the whole. That sort of period. A golden age for kind of Anglo Saxon writers back in the mid-70s. Yeah, that was a kind of interesting period. I love Steely Dan, of course, you know, but I mean. Anyway, stop me. I like a lot of music.
- [19:20]
Unknown
Yeah, I don't want to stop you, but I do think.
- [19:23]
Martin Fry
Actually I watched last night, I watched that documentary. I didn't think you'd like it about We Are the World. Have you seen that documentary?
- [19:28]
Unknown
Yeah, the. The Biggest Night in pop or whatever that, that.
- [19:32]
Martin Fry
I thought it was fascinating. Absolutely intriguing. Some of the things going on there in the room, the psychology of it and everything else. It reminded me of a lot of the things I've done in the studio in the sense of the way people go about it and how vulnerable they are, you know, when they try. When. When they're making a record. And I have to say, it really, really is an incredible Documentary. Yeah. I thought it was just going to be a piece of 80s nostalgia or, you know, record company speak. But it was kind of really cool. Yeah, really interesting. There's a lovely moment where I loved it when Smokey Robinson turns around, he's got Stevie Wonder and, you know, it's surreal. Michael Jackson, he said, what the hell does that line mean? You know, I forget which line it is. He says, you know, we've got to keep giving to the charity. And he kind of in. In just a phrase, Smokey Robinson, he sold the puzzle of the record. He made it make sense. Do you know what I mean? I love that, those magic notes. Smokey Robinson. Later in the interview, he said, well, that's how we treated each other at Motown. He's talking to, you know, they are legends, but at the same time he's talking to guys like Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, guys who. They all came up together, you know, in the studios. And you're only as good as your next record, as everybody knows. So, yeah, it was phenomenal. There was so many great moments in that doc documentary. Yeah, I was very surprised. Very surprised.
- [20:55]
Unknown
I love the Bob Dylan parts, by the way.
- [20:58]
Martin Fry
Yeah, yeah, the Bob Dylan they saved to the end. And you thought Dylan was gonna blow it, didn't you? Because he's. He's. He's kind of. It's five in the morning, six in the morning. And then he just. In four lines, he just sums up why is it great, you know, singing. For me, watching that documentary was about singing. How everybody approaches singing in different ways. Very different ways. Yeah, I do listen to a lot of Dylan too. I don't know why I'm looking forward to seeing the film as well. The biopic. Yeah.
- [21:27]
Unknown
Well, as you experiment with genres throughout your career, is there a genre that you haven't experimented with that you'd like to.
- [21:36]
Martin Fry
Yeah, you've got to be tricky with the genres now because a lot of it's appropriation. You know, sometimes I listen to a bit of Ed Sheeran, I think. Yeah. You know, you've heard a couple of Afro pop tunes and you kind of thrown it in that it to good effect. Not, you know, millions of billions of people love that. Now these days, when I write a song, I go for the heart of it to see what it's all about. The kind of. Rather than saying, right, you know, let's be a. Let's go reggae or, you know, let's go flamenco. But I mean, inevitably, when you listen to music, it just seeps in, doesn't it? It always has done. That's how all different types of music is. Is created. Yeah. So I don't know. No. I'm an elder statesman at pop now, so the next stuff I do is just going to be classic abc. Yeah. Yeah. I've. I've been down a few blind alleys and different twists and turns artistically through the years, so it's kind of nice to know what I. What I like. Yeah.
- [22:33]
Unknown
I want to close with something that I so admire about you. It's been your. Your transparency about, you know, health challenges and, you know, battles.
- [22:44]
Martin Fry
Yeah.
- [22:44]
Unknown
And we produce this other podcast, it's called Music Save Me, which talks about sort of the powers of music. Yeah. And so, first of all, how are you able to be so transparent about those challenges? And then do you believe that music has healing powers?
- [23:06]
Martin Fry
Well, yeah. It's funny when you say Music saves me, I had a fanzine called Modern Drugs, and it was all about the music and all about the bands I'd go And see in 19, in the late 70s, you know, I was just a kid, but I realized then, and I realized much later that music's a therapy. So it's. The music is the medium, it's the. The kind of paintbrush on the art, but it's like also, it's like medicine. Yeah. As you say, medicine. Yeah. When I was 27, many years ago, I was diagnosed with the Hodgkin's disease, form of lymphoma, cancer. And I had to have chemotherapy and radiotherapy and some operations and stuff. And it kind of hit me at a time when I was kind of top of the charts. You know, it kind of brought me back down to earth with a violent shudder. And I talked to you now about it because not as a spokesperson for cancer or anything like that, that would be arrogant, because I realized that you walk into any bar and there's maybe three or four people or more who've been touched by the cancer in their family or friends or their immediate group of people. So it was tough for me as a young man having to face up to that. And I've fully recovered through the treatment I had at the Royal Marsden Hospital in London and up in Sheffield at the Hallamshire Hospital. But, yeah, and at the time, I went back to my 7 inch vinyl collection. I'd come in from the hospital treatments, and that's where a song called When Smokey Sings came from, which was a very big hit for us. But it's about that feeling of euphoria you get when you hear A great piece of music or great artist you love and how it can just take you away from your troubles. You pack up your troubles, and they all kick back. But I don't know, to answer your question, for a long time, I would. I mean, I went underground. There's a. What peop. What happens is you think of it as a curse. Oh, man, I got ill. And then you kind of think you feel guilty because you're letting people down and stuff. That's a part of the thought process. But as you recover and you get fit, you realize it is a blessing and you're here to cherish every day, you know, but it was good to come out the other side and recover, you know, get a chick in the box after a year, after five years, after 10 years at the hospital. But back then, yeah, I didn't want to tell anyone, really. Well, it was hard. Very hard. Because in the music business, you're like. You're like a. A pedigree racehorse, you know? And as soon as the label found out that I wasn't fully fit, they'd come around to my house and see, you know, look at my teeth, see if I could still jump the hurdles for them. Put me on a. Me and Mark White on a. Like, a monthly wage and. And see what's happened. Because nobody knew what was around the corner, and that stuff is really hard to deal with. It's taken me years to that. I was pissed off about it, but now I realize everything was a blessing. Yeah, it really was. And now I realize, even though there's a lot of opportunities that I couldn't take up, you know, one minute I'm doing Soul Train in America, and the next, Tina Turner saying, come on the road with us. Couldn't do it. I couldn't do this. The tour with Tina Turner because it was. I just had too much hospital treatment. Now I realize that's why I can climb on a stage and really deliver a show in 2025. Yeah, I'm catching up.
- [26:23]
Unknown
I love it. I love it.
- [26:25]
Martin Fry
However, nothing lasts forever, does it? I mean, I'm get. You know, but as soon as, you know you can't deliver a killer show, you stop. Yeah, definitely. So whilst it's. Whilst I can sing, I'll sing.
- [26:38]
Unknown
Keep delivering killer shows on the 2025 tour with Mr. Howard Jones.
- [26:44]
Martin Fry
Yeah.
- [26:44]
Unknown
And so, so tremendous. And congrats on the lexicon of life.
- [26:48]
Martin Fry
Oh, yeah.
- [26:49]
Unknown
Yes.
- [26:49]
Martin Fry
Cool.
- [26:49]
Unknown
Alexa, kind of love.
- [26:50]
Martin Fry
Thanks very much, but thank you.
- [26:51]
Unknown
I enjoyed talking to you on Taking a Walk. Thank you, my friend.
- [26:55]
Martin Fry
I shall say hello to Howard when I see him next week. Please do. And say, how about you?
- [26:59]
Unknown
Please do.
- [26:59]
Martin Fry
Yeah. Cool.
- [27:00]
Unknown
Thank you, Martin.
- [27:02]
Buzz Knight
Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a Walk Podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends and follow us so you never miss an episode. Taking a Walk is available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, and wherever you get your podcasts.
- [27:21]
Maria Tremarki
Welcome to the Criminalia Podcast. I'm Maria Tremarki.
- [27:24]
Holly Fry
And I'm Holly Fry. Together we invite you into the dark and winding corridors of historical true crime.
- [27:31]
Maria Tremarki
Each season we explore a new theme, from poisoners to art thieves.
- [27:36]
Holly Fry
We uncover the secrets of history's most interesting figures, from legal injustices to body snatching.
- [27:43]
Maria Tremarki
And tune in at the end of each episode as we indulge in cocktails and mock inspired by each story.
- [27:50]
Holly Fry
Listen to criminalia on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [27:56]
Unknown
Do you want to see into the future? Do you want to understand an invisible force that's shaping your life? Do you want to experience the frontiers of what makes us human? On tech stuff, we travel from the mines of Congo to the surface of Mars, from conversations with Nobel Prize winners to the depths of TikTok to ask burning questions about technology, from high tech to low culture, and everywhere in between. Join us Listen to tech stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.