"The Heart and Soul of Musician and Activist Chadwick Stokes"

Summary

Podcast Summary: "The Heart and Soul of Musician and Activist Chadwick Stokes"

Podcast Information

• Title: Takin' a Walk
• Host: Buzz Knight (iHeartPodcasts)
• Episode: "The Heart and Soul of Musician and Activist Chadwick Stokes"
• Release Date: March 28, 2025

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1. Introduction to Chadwick Stokes

In this compelling episode of Takin' a Walk, host Buzz Knight welcomes musician and activist Chadwick Stokes, known for his contributions to bands like The Pintos, State Radio, and the renowned Dispatch. Chadwick shares insights into his dual role as a musician and a passionate advocate for social causes, setting the stage for an engaging conversation about music's role in activism.

2. Musical Influences and Early Career

Chadwick delves into his early life, highlighting the rich musical environment he grew up in. With a father who played piano and an uncle who played various instruments, music was always a cornerstone of his upbringing. "Music was always going to be in my life," Chadwick reflects (07:53).

He cites a diverse range of influences, from classical music and The Beatles to bands like CCR, Jethro Tull, Marvin Gaye, Nirvana, Rage Against the Machine, and Pearl Jam. This eclectic mix shaped his musical style and his commitment to blending art with activism.

3. Breakthrough with Dispatch

Chadwick recounts the pivotal moments with Dispatch, particularly the unforgettable Hat Shell show where the band unexpectedly drew a crowd of 30,000 to 110,000 fans (10:24). Despite minimal support from mainstream radio at the time, the overwhelming audience response affirmed their path in music. "We could never really bemoan whatever lack of help we didn't get just because people were showing up to shows and listening to the music," Chadwick notes (12:00).

4. Activism and Calling All Crows

A significant portion of the conversation centers on Calling All Crows, an organization Chadwick co-founded in the mid-2000s with Sybil. The initiative aims to engage music fans with social movements, leveraging the unifying power of music to drive change. Chadwick explains, "Music's such a beautiful gateway into different things. It can be emotionally so powerful, but it can also be part of movements" (18:36).

One of their key campaigns, Here for the Music, addresses sexual assault and harassment in the music industry. Collaborating with bands like Boy Genius and Claro, they strive to create safer and more equitable environments within the touring culture. "It's easy for artists just to be like, oh, I won't deal with that. I'll just concentrate on what I need to," Chadwick observes (21:15).

5. Upcoming Rock Opera: 1972

Chadwick introduces his latest project, a rock opera titled 1972, which he has been developing over several years. Drawing inspiration from classics like Hair and Jesus Christ Superstar, 1972 is a two-hour concept piece that tells a poignant story through music. "It's a rock opera now. Some of the songs are the same, but it's been whittled down and refined," he shares (16:13).

The opera involves close collaboration with family members, friends, and local musicians, including his brother Willie and Tommy from Jesus the Dinosaur and The Pintos. Chadwick emphasizes the importance of storytelling in music: "The music kind of takes it all like a wave, and it's really become something else than if you were reading a book or something" (24:45).

6. The Healing Power of Music

Towards the end of the episode, Buzz Knight and Chadwick discuss the therapeutic and healing powers of music. Chadwick passionately believes in music's ability to heal and unite: "It has amazing potential to heal ourselves, to heal each other, to be part of a revolution or movements" (24:45). He elaborates on how his work, particularly with 1972, tackles heavy and urgent topics while providing a transformative experience for both the performers and the audience.

7. Conclusion and Upcoming Events

Chadwick concludes by promoting the 17th Annual Calling All Crows Benefit Weekend, scheduled for Friday, April 4th at the Somerville Theater. The event will feature performances from his rock opera, 1972, and serves as a pivotal fundraiser for their ongoing activism efforts. Buzz Knight encourages listeners to attend and support the cause, highlighting the seamless blend of music and activism that defines Chadwick’s career.

Notable Quotes:

• Chadwick Stokes (04:36): "If I had to choose, I would be walking with Patti Smith in New York City or Paris. Hopefully she'd do most of the talking."
• Chadwick Stokes (07:53): "Music was always going to be in my life."
• Chadwick Stokes (18:36): "Music's such a beautiful gateway into different things. It can be emotionally so powerful, but it can also be part of movements."
• Chadwick Stokes (21:15): "It's easy for artists just to be like, oh, I won't deal with that. I'll just concentrate on what I need to."
• Chadwick Stokes (24:45): "It has amazing potential to heal ourselves, to heal each other, to be part of a revolution or movements."

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This episode offers an in-depth look into Chadwick Stokes' journey as a musician deeply intertwined with activism, showcasing how music can be a powerful tool for societal change. Whether you're a longtime fan or new to his work, this conversation provides valuable insights into the intersection of art and advocacy.

Transcript

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[Buzz Knight]

Taking a walk we could never really bemoan whatever lack of help we didn't get just because people were showing up to shows and listening to the music, you know. So that was all we had dreamed of was happening. So it's not like we were ever.

[Chadwick Stokes]

Like too begrudging welcome to another episode of the Taking a Walk podcast with your host Buzz Knight. Buzz speaks with a wide range of musicians covering all genres and eras of music. Today, Buzz speaks with the true original, who's based in the Boston area. Chadwick Stokes is an incredible musician and activist, known for his work currently with the Pintos, but he's also known for his incredible run with the wildly successful indie rock bands State Radio and Dispatch. He's here to talk about his Calling All Crows benefit and his New Rock Opera 1972. Chadwick Stokes joins Buzz Knight on the Taking a Walk podcast right now.

[Unknown]

Chadwick, welcome to Taking a Walk. It's so nice to be with you virtually.

[Buzz Knight]

Thank you Buzz. It's good to be here.

[Unknown]

So since it's called Taking a Walk, Chad, I have to ask you though, first before we talk about April 4th, your 17th annual calling all Crows Benefit weekend. Since the podcast is called Taking a Walk, if you could take a walk with somebody living or dead, preferably music oriented, but doesn't have to be, who would you be taking a walk with and where would you take that walk?

[Buzz Knight]

It's a tough one. A number of people come to mind, but that would all be wonderful to talk with my I guess if I had to choose, I would one that I think would be great would be walking with Patti Smith in New York City or Paris One of the. One of the two. Yeah. Hopefully she'd do most of the talking.

[Unknown]

Well, she loves to talk, so I think she would. But you'd be asking her questions too. You'd be talking to her. She. She would leave some room for sure. But yeah, she would be a great one. My God, what a. What a life was. Well led.

[Buzz Knight]

Yeah. You know, so. I don't know. So poetic, so musical, so kind of anti establishment.

[Unknown]

The photographer Lynn Goldsmith recently put out a book focused on. On Patti from her work with Patti actually had Lynn. Lynn on the podcast talking about it. But that's a beautiful. It's a beautiful book by. By Lynn Goldsmith. But. So do you remember the earliest moment that you knew you would be connected with a life that was in music?

[Buzz Knight]

Well, I never would have thought it was realistic and I think I. That that sentiment probably carried on pretty far as. As much as I would as a teenager writing songs would have thought would. Would have liked it to happen. I certainly didn't entertain it as a. As a reality. So I think. I think it was. It was probably, you know, a year into playing with Dispatch, you know, when we were about 19 or so when and. And people kept coming up to the. Keep coming to the shows with more and more of their friends and, you know, we kind of looked at each other and said, you know, we could. This is. This could be our job. So I think. I think I always wanted, you know, music was always in my house growing up. A lot of singing a lot. My dad plays piano, we all play horn instruments. So it. I knew it was always going to. My uncle lived with us too, and he plays the flute and some low brass as well. So there was always going to be music in my life. I just, I just probably until those. The early. Probably, you know, just when I had dipped my. A little further than my toe into the Dispatch career, did I really think that I could do this and you know, it would be kind of my life, you know, and beyond, not. Not just something I do for fun, but it would be something that would be my. My job as well. So. So it's probably a few. A few months, if not a year into the. Into the Dispatch, into the growth of that band.

[Unknown]

And who were the earliest influences, first of all for you musically and then who were the early mentors for you musically?

[Buzz Knight]

There was a lot of. We listened to a lot of classical music coming from my dad, but then we listened to a lot of the Beatles. You know, I was born in 76, so it was, you know, that was they weren't a band anymore, but a lot of the Beatles, a lot of the musical hair played constantly in our house. And so, but really it was a lot of the, it was a lot of looking back at. I loved listening to the oldies station back in the day, 103.3. That was my real. I think I was too young to like get into the 80s and so I, I kind of leaned back into the sounds of the 60s and 70s and then kind of almost missed the 80s and then was a young teenager in the 90s, wherein when Alice in Chains and Nirvana and those kind of rock bands kind of hit me in a way that the hair metal hadn't hit me until that point. So it was more like, it was like CCR and Jethro Tull and Marvin Gaye and then, you know, fast, and then it was just a big skip to 1991 and rage against the Machine and Nirvana and Pearl Jam.

[Unknown]

I was thinking about the current times where it's a more frequent occurrence for bands to break out or musicians to break out kind of on their own through their own channels and stuff and, and then happen upon this, this great success. Do you reflect though, on your career and specifically on, you know, Dispatch and State Radio and go, my God, we, this is what happened to us. And now it's more frequently happening to others in terms of finding audiences in this incredibly unique and independent way?

[Buzz Knight]

Yeah, we were just on the edge of that with Napster. We were coming from a very unequal playing field. If you weren't signed, it was very hard to do this or this and that and, and yeah, so we were just on the edge of what you speak of, kind of this more egalitarian, outside of the box, come out of left field kind of thing that can happen today.

[Unknown]

And I'm a little part of this, this history. You're, you're, you're the story. But where I was working at that time was in Boston for the Greater Media radio stations, which included 92, 9, WBOS and our mutual friend who synced us up for this interview, Adam kle. I remember dear Adam coming in and saying, hey, this band wants to do a, a free concert at the Hat Shell. You know, can we promote it on the station? And so we were like, sure, but we didn't really know, you know, what was going to happen and how to embrace it or to embrace it or whatever. And, and then suddenly, holy moly. I, you know, I don't know what the, the crowd size was, but do you remember that, that moment and that story at the hat shell show, for.

[Buzz Knight]

Sure, I mean that's. It's indelible for me. I think we woke up that morning and we heard that 30, 000 people had. Were already there and it was, you.

[Unknown]

Know, 8:00am that was dispatch, right? That was dispatch, yeah.

[Buzz Knight]

And I think we had, you know, we had two cops on security detail and we had a few interviews in the. In the basement of the hat shell from like Carlisle High School. And like just these like kids, like no one from the. No one was interested in us, you know, from kind of the powers that be. It was all like, no one cared except for kids, you know, and so. And I think that's kind of cool now. And then, you know, and then so many people showed up, you know, 110,000 or whatever. So just a kind of crazy day really, you know, for my life, you know, one for the books.

[Unknown]

Yeah. And I would love to say that, you know, the radio station could take some credit for the event, but we, we could take little or no credit for the event, really, which was the astonishing fact. And we would often talk after the fact going, man, did we frickin blow it with that. Not figuring out how to embrace this not only event, but this band and the direction that things were going. I think it was a real miss for us, a big miss.

[Buzz Knight]

That's nice to say. I mean, we always were coming from. We were so not in the mainstream and we were young and so we did. We'd wonder to ourselves, why don't we ever get played on the radio? Know, and a bit naive maybe at the time, but we did, we did have those discussions and wish that someone had kind of taken us on. But at the same time, you know, we. We could never really bemoan our whatever lack of help we didn't get just because people were showing up to shows and listening to the music, you know, so that was all. All we had dreamed of was happening. So it's not like we were ever like too begrudging.

[Unknown]

Well, that makes me feel better because I was like, man, I was gonna. I was thinking, do I ask Chad about this? And then I'm like, yeah, I have to. It's part of his history. And. And I was, you know, at least remotely.

[Buzz Knight]

Yeah, that's cool.

[Unknown]

Intersecting with it, you know, But I'll never forget Adam coming in and asking the question, so where did you get your first impact from somebody. And who was it that influenced you as far as being a champion of social causes?

[Buzz Knight]

I guess, you know, growing up with hair, the soundtrack of hair. And then seeing the movie and seeing how songs were woven into a story with such power, such emotional power, but also with a social bent on it, with a political message, that really had a huge effect on me. I thought, oh, this thing, music is so powerful on its own. It can be emotionally so powerful, but it can also be part of movements. And we had a. In town in Sherburne, where I grew up, there was a peace abbey, which was a church dedicated to peace and music and pacifism. And the man, the family, and the man who ran it, Louis Randa, was constantly getting arrested, but had pictures of Martin Luther King and John Lennon side by side and Mother Teresu Teresa. So it was just this shrine of activism that's kind of where, where my heart felt like the most alive. And so I think that that also, I think so my parents and, and then, and then Louis, who is, who is my parents generation and we've teamed up over the years to do things, but having someone close by who gave a shit, who gave a shit about the world, didn't give a shit about what people thought of him, you know, and was out there to make a difference. I was. That was very inspiring.

[Unknown]

So. 17th annual Calling All Crows benefit weekend. It's Friday, April 4th, at the Somerville Theater, the great Somerville Theater. Tickets [e-mail] and you're going to be performing select songs from your forthcoming rock opera, 1972. That's. That's amazing. Can you talk about 1972?

[Buzz Knight]

Yeah, it's a. Since I was a kid, I always wanted to write a rock opera like Hair or Jesus Christ Superstar. And I talked about it. There's interviews, dispatch interviews. And even when I was like 20, when it was brought up, you know, I guess the guys in the band knew I had this in my sights. I just, I just had been kind of kicking it down the line for years and finally in the last couple years, I had enough material and an idea where it kind of came together to really kind of get down to it and start trying to formulate a 2 hour ish concept sung through story. So we did it actually last year at Somerville Theatre, but it's a very different musical or opera now. Some the songs are the same, but it's been whittled down and it's been refined and the characters have kind of come to life. We've been performing it for about a year and a half and I usually do like a little narration between each song to let the crowd know what's happening and now it's just all sung through and it's done with some great friends around here. My brother Willie is in it and my old. Some of my old classmates from elementary school are in it. And some great artists in. Younger artists here who I've been playing with here and there. My friend Tommy who plays in Jesus, Jesus the Dinosaur, local Boston band. Tommy also plays in the Pintos. So it's. It's a great group of people and it's. It's really fun to. To keep kind of whittling at it and honing honing this thing. We have this kind of. This story that we're trying to tell.

[Unknown]

And Calling All Crows, this is the organization that, that you founded. It was back in the mid 2000s that you, you founded a 2007 8, is that right?

[Buzz Knight]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Yep. You and Sybil.

[Buzz Knight]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

And this was designed as a way to engage music fans, you know, with. With social movements. Right. That was your vision from the beginning?

[Buzz Knight]

Yes. Music's such a beautiful gateway into different things. And it can be. It's a. It's a moment where we all gather and we're together. And that feeling that you have when you're in a venue or you're with people and you're listening to the same music or you. You connect with the same music, you know, it's almost like anything can happen. It's a. Such a nice connection. And I think, you know, we saw with State Radio that was so topic driven or message driven. We had this opportunity to really combine service and activism with the music. And. And I think that. So that had. That's where things got kind of got first started getting rolling.

[Unknown]

And you've had others, other musicians from this area or outside of this area who have also joined on to engage in what the organization is about. Is that right?

[Buzz Knight]

Yeah, we have. We basically run a. We're here for any band. They can reach out to us and we can help them with a campaign that they can kind of take on the road with them. You know, could be whatever they're interested. One thing that's been the most broad based for us in terms of other bands hiring. Calling All Crows has been our Here for the Music campaign. Which is. Which is a campaign to curb and to help stop sexual assault and harassment in the music industry. You know, mostly at shows, but it could be anywhere that's been taken on by Boy Genius and Claro and these awesome bands, you know, really kind of accepted into their touring culture, which was. Which was, you know, all we could have hoped for was to kind of help change the power dynamics of the touring culture because it's. There's so much misogyny and it's. There's a lot of power dynamics. So male dominated here for the music campaign, it's really taken on a life of its own. And other bands have especially taken to that campaign.

[Unknown]

Yeah, I feel like people look at someone like you and people you're around and they say, my God, if we could apply ourselves and our craft with an eye on all boats rising when something good is happening first and then think about the rest of the business side secondarily, I think it seems like a natural thing, but most people don't do it. Why don't you think people think that.

[Buzz Knight]

Way Mean like other bands?

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Buzz Knight]

Yeah. Well, everyone approaches art differently. You know, I really think that it's our responsibility to. With the platform, we have to. To really use it to the best of our ability. But, you know, others are like, hey, I just make art for art's sake. Or, you know, I like to sing about my. My love life or, you know, whatever. So there's. It's a little hard to. I think that's what Calling All Crows is here for, for other bands because they might not know where to start. And it's really easy to write us or call us and be like, I want to do this, or I've been thinking about this, you know, and we can really plug them in, you know, across the country or even globally to like different organizations where they are, where they're touring, where they could have people come and table. So if anyone, if other bands are interested in. In, you know, having that arm to their business, where it's like, you know, they're taking a stand or they want a certain message to. To get out there. It is. It's a little intimidating because they're worried about this, they're worried about the set list, they're worried about getting to the next. Next gig, you know, and it. And for them to kind of reinvent the wheel. It's easier for artists just to be like, oh, I won't deal with that. I'll just concentrate what I need to. So. But Calling All Crows is here to kind of help that. That mentality, you know, in addition to.

[Unknown]

Your great work that I'm so impressed with. Another person who's got his. His mission and that it's very focused on doing. Doing good is Adam Ezra, who was on the podcast at one point and yeah, he's great. I. It's just. It's Wonderful seeing, you know, leading with the heart, you know, first and foremost, you know.

[Buzz Knight]

Yeah, yeah, he's done a lot of great stuff, and he said, great singer. That's cool.

[Unknown]

Tell me what's going on with Chadwick Stokes and the Pintos.

[Buzz Knight]

Well, they're. Right now, all the Pintos have been folded up into 1972 the. The rock. So, okay, that's kind of all hands on deck, so. Because the 1972 is. Is the Pintos and myself and five others. So everyone's involved in that and those. Those, you know, great musicians. And it's fun to. It's fun to have this little adventure, you know, a little bit of. A little bit tangential adventure with. With the Pintos. It's been a. It's been quite a ride, and they've been great. Basically, when we play a show, a 1972 show, the next day we'll meet up for four hours and we'll make four hours of changes, and then we'll do the show again, and the next day we'll meet up and we'll do four hours of changes. So I gotta hand it to them for really being open because it has to tell a story, a clear story from start to finish, and because it's a different kind of animal. There's been so many revisions, and they've been amazing about. About, you know, being open to it constantly changing.

[Unknown]

I love it. Before we close, I also produced this other podcast. It's called Music Saved Me. It's about the healing power, the, you know, just that power of music and what it means on so many levels. Do you think music has. Has therapeutic healing powers?

[Buzz Knight]

Most definitely. I think that's what it's for. It has amazing potential to heal our. Heal ourselves, to heal each other, to be part of a revolution or movements. I strongly believe that in the power. It's really potent, and I think that's why I feel so lucky to be. To play music and to continue to play music with my friends and to. And to have a musical about a young woman riding freight trains to find someone who will give her an illegal abortion, you know, can be heavy stuff, but it's. But the music kind of takes it all like a wave, you know, and it's really become something else than, you know, if you were reading a book or something. So it's really fun to be on that. On that wave, even when or especially when the topics are prescient and urgent.

[Unknown]

Well, Chad, the 17th annual call on All Crows benefit weekend is coming up. Good luck on it. Friday April 4th Somerville Theater people can check out tickets at your website chadwickstokes.com and it'll be an amazing performance of 1972. You'll keep revising it, I'm sure, right down to the the very end, but that's what makes you so great at what you do and calling all crows. The great work there as well. Thanks for for all you do and continue to do and and thanks for being on Taking a Walk Chad Thanks Buzz.

[Buzz Knight]

Nice to see you.

[Chadwick Stokes]

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