"Wayne's World -Comedic Advice from Wayne Federman"

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Episode: Wayne’s World – Comedic Advice from Wayne Federman
Original Air Date: November 3, 2025
Host: Lynne Hoffman (guest hosting for Buzz Knight)
Guest: Wayne Federman – comedian, actor, author, comedy historian, musician, professor

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Overview

This episode features a deep-dive conversation with Emmy-winning comedian and comedy historian Wayne Federman, who reflects on his long, versatile career in comedy and acting. Wayne discusses the communal and healing power of stand-up, the evolution of comedy from vaudeville roots to a main event, his personal motivations, advice for new comedians, recovery from onstage failure, and the philosophical debate of comedy vs. music as healing arts.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Unique Nature and Evolution of Stand-Up Comedy

• Communal Activity:

  • Wayne emphasizes the distinctiveness of stand-up as an art form requiring a live audience’s response:

    “It’s a very communal activity that you get to share with the audience…you need the audience, you need the give and take. So it’s that human connection that really sets it apart from a lot of the other art forms.”
    (05:25)

• Historical Perspective:

  • Federman explains stand-up’s evolution from variety acts to headline status, referencing his book and podcast “The History of Standup.”
    • Early stand-ups were called “monologists,” and their craft depended on audience engagement even in pre-vaudeville times.
    • Stand-up evolved to be about sharing personal perspectives and “tickling your mind with misdirections and observations.”
      (05:25–07:14)

2. Personal Journey & Motivations

• Origins in School:

  • Wayne describes himself as a class comedian whose early aim was not just to amuse peers but win over authority:

    “My goal…was to make the teachers laugh as well as the students. It was easy to make the students laugh…but if I could get the teachers to laugh as well, I was like, ‘now at least I know I have...an aptitude for this world.’”
    (08:14)

• Creative Life vs. ‘Comedy Saved Me’ Trope:

  • Federman clarifies he wasn’t “saved” by comedy in a dramatic sense, but was drawn to creativity and affirmation in response to a tense household and large, blended family.

    "It wasn't like, like the name of your podcast really makes me laugh. It's like, it makes it sound like, oh, I was an accountant…one night I did a knock-knock joke…it's not quite like that. But I did want to lead a creative life."
    (08:14–10:50)

• Belonging & Persistence:

  • The path to feeling he belonged was “more like a rolling rock”—slow and accumulative, not a singular breakthrough moment.
    • Recalls making a living from comedy by age 27, but emphasizes gradual progress and resilience.
      (12:14–14:19)

3. Reflections on Career, Failure, and Comedy as a Profession

• Relationship with Comedy:

  • Wayne resists the notion of a “relationship” with comedy:

    “I don't really think of it…as more of just, I don't know, an affinity for it because it's the best. It's so human.”
    (15:32–17:45)

• Failure and Recovery:

  • Federman openly discusses bombing onstage (notably in Mechanicsburg, PA at a Holiday Inn!):

    “It’s devastating…if I have a bad set…I really don’t feel completely whole until I’m back on stage and had a reasonable set after that.”
    (22:46–24:32)

• Advice to Young Comics:

  • He acknowledges modern comedians have thicker skins due to online hate/comments, and younger comics might even find “haters” useful.

    “You have to have some people that hate you and some people love you. They fight. And that adds to your…algorithm or something.”
    (26:52–28:05)

4. Working in TV & Curb Your Enthusiasm

• Improvising vs. Stand-Up:

  • Acting on Curb Your Enthusiasm is “much easier” than stand-up because all responsibility isn't on a single person and scenes are improvised from bullet points:

    “With stand-up…you get all the acclaim and you get all the blame. That’s the high wire act.”
    (32:59–34:31)

• Approach to Character:

  • Shares how he played Dean Weinstock as “the worst person in the world under the guise of a nice person—passive aggressive.” (34:42–35:27)

5. Philosophy: Comedy vs. Music as Art and Healing

• Comedy or Music—Which Heals More?
  • Wayne argues that music may be more healing for the soul, referencing post-9/11 concerts:

    “No one wanted to hear from comedians…but we did want to hear from Tom Petty and other people singing.…Comedy is more about the mind. I think music is more about the soul.”
    (39:27–43:11)

  • However, he also recognizes the cathartic effect of “incredible belly laughs” and the communal emotional response comedy can offer.

6. Miscellaneous Memorable Moments

• Self-Deprecation as Humor:

  • Wayne enjoys making fun of himself and finds comedy’s rituals philosophically bizarre when viewed by outsiders. (18:42–20:14)

• Industry Realities:

  • Discusses the competition in comedy (“A, B, C clubs”), the drive to “make it big,” and how some comedians avoid watching others for fear of competition or comparison. (21:19–22:40)

• Teaching and Legacy:

  • Continues to teach his “History of Stand-Up” at USC and will release an updated edition of the book and new audiobook.

    “There’s going to be an updated version...coming out January 15th…added a new chapter.”
    (46:20)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the uniqueness of stand-up:

  “Stand-up…you need the audience, you need the give and take. So it’s that human connection that really sets it apart.”
  (Wayne Federman, 05:25)

• On not being “saved” by comedy:

  “The name of your podcast really makes me laugh…it makes it sound like, oh, I was an accountant and…I did a knock, knock joke to a colleague and it saved my life. It’s not quite like that.”
  (Wayne Federman, 08:14)

• On bombing:

  “My worst show was in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania at a Holiday Inn. I don’t want to go into the details…but that’s how comedy almost killed me.”
  (Wayne Federman, 22:49)

• On modern rejection:

  “I actually think usually younger people are way better at handling that…they’re just like, ‘I think it’s funny I have haters.’ I’m not that evolved. I’m a sensitive person.”
  (Wayne Federman, 28:05)

• On Curb Your Enthusiasm vs. stand-up:

  “Much easier. With stand-up show, it’s all on you. You get all the acclaim and you get all the blame.”
  (Wayne Federman, 32:59)

• On comedy vs. music:

  “Music…as a human artistic form…is maybe more healing than comedy…music is more about the soul. Not that comedy isn’t, but…”
  (Wayne Federman, 39:27)

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Key Timestamps

• 05:25 – The communal nature and evolution of stand-up comedy
• 08:14 – Early motivations, affirmation, and not being “saved” by comedy
• 12:14 – Persistence rather than singular moments of “belonging”
• 17:45 – Reflections on comedy as a lifelong affinity
• 22:46 – Bombing in Mechanicsburg and recovering from failure
• 24:32 – On coping with rejection in show business
• 26:52 – Advice and observations about young comics’ resilience
• 32:59 – Comparing stand-up to acting on Curb Your Enthusiasm
• 39:27 – Comedy vs. music as a form of healing
• 46:20 – Upcoming book update and audiobook release

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Summary Tone and Style

Throughout the episode, Wayne Federman maintains a self-deprecating, philosophical, and honest style, always questioning assumptions and reflecting on the realities of show business. Hoffman’s admiration brings out warm, humorous exchanges, while Federman’s nuanced answers provide both wisdom and humility.

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For Further Listening & Contact

• Wayne’s Website: WayneFederman.com
• Book: The History of Stand-Up (updated edition Jan 2026)
• Podcast: The History of Standup

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This summary covers all major themes and discussions, allows non-listeners to glean the episode’s insights, and highlights Wayne Federman’s distinctive perspective on comedy, performance, and resilience.

Transcript

[Lynne Hoffman]

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[Wayne Federman]

Love about stand up. It's a very communal activity that you get to share with the audience.

[Lynne Hoffman]

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On Comedy Save Me. Don't move. Comedy Saved Me, right? He feels like he's part of your family. If he feels like he's part of your family, that's because he. He really, he really is. I mean, you've literally seen this man in every television show, movie and commercial since the early 70s. Comedy or drama, take your pick. All right, I may sound like I'm exaggerating a little bit, but I feel like I can refer to him as a prolific and expert comedic entertainer who once had Jimmy Fallon as his opening act. Wayne Federman, welcome to Comedy Save Me. It's a true honor to have you here today.

[Wayne Federman]

Well, thank you. I, you know, I, yes, I was doing comedy in junior high school in the early 70s, but I'm not quite that old that I was born in the 40s or something. But thank you. Thank you for the introduction. Very flattering. I love it.

[Lynne Hoffman]

It did sound that way. But you ever walk up to somebody or see like a celebrity, even in your own business that comes by and you've seen them in so many things, sometimes you don't realize it is who you think it is. You just think it's family and someone else?

[Wayne Federman]

Yes, of course. Yes. Yes. We have this, we have this in common, where you're like, I know. Is this a person? Yeah.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Well, you are definitely the perfect guest for this show because you've spent most of your life not just working as an actor and comedian, but also teaching and studying and writing about the fine art and history of stand up comedy, as evidenced in your recent book, the History of Stand Up. Congratulations. Which also turned into a podcast. Just to start us off, I'm curious, in your studies as a professor at USC adjunct, did you include your studies in comedy about how it has healing powers for both the givers of the comedy and the receivers? And if so, what did you glean off of this?

[Wayne Federman]

As a matter of fact, I didn't. I just stuck mainly. I know the theme of this show is the, the power of the comedy. I was more just talking about its evolution and how it went from a very small a part of variety shows to now it is the show like it used to be. Just like the monologist. That's what stand ups were called. Were like part of a variety show. Even before vaudeville, they were doing it and then eventually people really started gravitating towards what these people were saying. And I think it's just the, the simplicity of one person standing on stage, one with a microphone and just you get this view inside their mind and they're basically tickling your mind. They're not physically tickling you, but they're mentally tickling your mind with misdirections and observations and, you know, embarrassing stories that you might be able to relate to. So it's a, it's a very. This is what I love about stand up. It's a very communal activity that you get to share with the audience. And I was just thinking about this the other day. I'm going to go off just a little bit because I've been thinking like I was at a street fair the other day and there was a band playing in one of the shells and there was maybe two people watching the band, but the band was cooking. And you could have like the greatest guitar solo you ever do in your life in front of one. One person or a sound check or anything but a stand up. You need the audience, you need the give and take. So it's that human connection that really sets it apart from a lot of the other art forms.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Yes. That is interesting. And you know, it's funny you said that. It almost is like even when you're one on one with someone and they pull out a guitar and you. And they perform for you, it's. It's still. It's not quite the same. It's not the same thing. Whether it's. Does that make sense? Like you're sitting there right across.

[Wayne Federman]

Because it's, there's A comedian named Dana Gould, who would be a great person to talk to on this podcast because he's a very deep thinker. Super. He's hilarious, funnier than I am, and just like, just great. And he's dealt with, like, kind of little more mental health issues than I have. And he said that stand up is a conversation, but only one person is talking.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Wow, that would be really hard for.

[Wayne Federman]

Me because I love to talk, obviously.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Can you, can you pinpoint, Wayne, the moment when you realized that comedy wasn't just something that you enjoyed, but it was something that you needed in your life? Clearly, you needed it.

[Wayne Federman]

Well, I don't know. I. This was my thing. My thing was I enjoyed the attention, the affirmation. Even when I was in high school, I was a funny kid. And that's when this whole dream started for me, really. And there were other funny kids in high school, but they were very disruptive. And my, my goal as a class comedian or something was to make the teachers laugh as well as the students. It was easy to make the students laugh. You could just be, you know, incorrigible against the, you know, the authority figure. But if I could get the teachers to laugh as well, I was like, okay, now at least I know I have, like a, an aptitude for this world. I'm like, let me give this, let me give this a shot. And many teachers encouraged me. But it wasn't like, like the name of your podcast really makes me laugh. It's like, it makes it sound like, oh, I was an accountant and I was at this drudgery and, and one night I did a knock, knock joke to a colleague and I laughed and it saved my life. It's not quite like that, but I, I did want to lead a creative life. That was Lynne. That was my goal.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Well, it's, you know, it's funny. You said that the funny ones were disruptive and you wanted to make the teacher laugh. The disruptive ones were probably the ones that were just so bored, that's all they wanted to do is disrupt. I love that you wanted to make the teacher laugh because a. It gets you out of having to study because they're laughing so hard. I used to do that to my. We had to go to bed. I tried to make her laugh so we could stay up later.

[Wayne Federman]

Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lynne Hoffman]

All my friends who are super, super smart, they were the disruptors.

[Wayne Federman]

And believe it or not, a lot of those disruptor kids also became stand ups.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Yeah, you're trying to say that you were stupid or something?

[Wayne Federman]

Because that wasn't my point. I was, I was not trying to. No, I'm saying that you could also be like a juvenile delinquent comedian and as well. But I unlike, I feel like a lot of stand ups that I talked to hated school and I didn't. I really, I liked learning and I liked the community of it all. But that might have to be because I came from a very tense household. So it was like, oh, this is a place where I can really get some, you know, affirmation and community and things like that. So it's weird. It's weird.

[Lynne Hoffman]

That's interesting. So.

[Wayne Federman]

Yes, it is.

[Lynne Hoffman]

How many siblings in the family do we have?

[Wayne Federman]

Well, it's a lot. It's very. I don't think we have enough time to go through the whole thing, but basically there was four kids. I was the youngest, and then my father died very young. Never knew him. And then my mom remarried four years later and had two other kids. So I have step siblings, but I just think of them as full brothers, sisters. It's not like, oh, yeah, yeah, because I never knew my dad, so. And so it was a pretty big family and, you know, I needed attention, apparently. Well, couldn't get it.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Yeah, no, that makes us. That makes a lot of sense. And you know, it's, it's so interesting that you say that's the exact same story of my husband. He was 16, but still it's, it's really a hard thing when you don't know your father and didn't ever get to meet him. And it says a lot about who you are today too, that I like the way you.

[Wayne Federman]

In the middle of this, you have to brag that you got married. It's fun.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Oh, well, I stalked him for years, so.

[Wayne Federman]

Oh, you did you warm down? I love it, I love it, I love it.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Was there a specific set or show or comedic moment where you felt like you finally belonged somewhere and you knew this was where you needed to be because you've done so much. It's absolutely incredible and mind boggling when I go through your sizzle reel.

[Wayne Federman]

Yeah.

[Lynne Hoffman]

How much stuff you have done.

[Wayne Federman]

Thank you. Thank you. No, it's so someone. Yeah. I look at it. I was just trying to get the next thing, like in the whole run of it. And I am by no means like a famous comedian. I'm a working comedian. And so there's a slight difference in that. Was there a moment? Can you ask that question again? Was there a moment I felt like I belonged?

[Lynne Hoffman]

That you belong like that. You had found your niche outside of high school with the teacher.

[Wayne Federman]

Yeah, yeah. Outside of making Mrs. Forsberg laugh.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Wow.

[Wayne Federman]

Let me think. Yeah. I would say. I would say when I was. There was like a comedy club that I developed at in New York City called the Comic Strip. And when I started doing, like, weekend sets, which were the prime sets you could get there, and. And was doing very well on those sets. I was playing the ukulele. I was just doing silly stuff. And I was like, oh, I think I can. I think I can do this. Because I gave myself 10 years, I gave myself my 30s before I would even think of assessing whether this could be a career. I was like, I'm going to give up my. Until 30. So my entire 20s, I would give up and to pursue this as fully as I could. And then. But. And by the. My. My time is 27 or 28. It was like making a living. I paid off my student loan, all doing comedy. So I was like, oh, I guess I'm part of it. It's so funny. You keep asking for these specific moments. And to me, it was more like a. A Rolling Rock kind of thing that just like, he just kept pushing it. Yes. Like, momentum was going and there'd be setbacks and the rock would roll back over me and I'd keep going, you know, so there really wasn't like, oh, my God, this one moment I'm performing and George Carlin was in the crowd and he put his arm around me or there was nothing like that.

[Lynne Hoffman]

No, I mean, like, I saw pictures of you with one of my idols as a kid growing up, Bob Hope and Garry Shandling and Steve Carell. I mean, like, you're. You're just going one on one with the biggest names. And to me, by. You said, you aren't a famous comedian. You are a famous comedian. You've just been so busy working, you haven't realized who you are.

[Wayne Federman]

Okay, you might be right. You might be right. I doubt it, but thank you for saying that.

[Lynne Hoffman]

No, but what gave you that. That gumption to continue to pursue each new role? I mean, I'm not exaggerating when I say if you go to wayne federman.com S E D E R M A N, you will just be amazed. You are part of every part of my life. Wayne, this is.

[Wayne Federman]

All right, now, don't make me blush.

[Lynne Hoffman]

I'm fangirling on you.

[Wayne Federman]

I know it's not. It's not going to go well for me. All right, so what was your question when Did I know what? Well, sorry, I was just overwhelmed by the compliment.

[Lynne Hoffman]

So I'm sorry. Yeah, I know. I tend to do that. I didn't mean to throw you off. Let's just move on. How about.

[Wayne Federman]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Lynne Hoffman]

How has your relationship with comedy changed over the years?

[Wayne Federman]

You ask these questions that are. That have built in assumptions in them that I don't know if I agree with the built in assumption. Let me think about it. My relationship with comedy. Oh, my God. I'd never even think of being in a relationship with comedy. I just feel like, oh, I had an aptitude for this as a kid. I pursued it because I just love the idea. But the first time, even in high school, and I went to. I'm from Florida. I'm like from nowhere. From a place called. This is embarrassing. Plantation, Florida.

[Lynne Hoffman]

I know Plantation, Florida, you know, it's a cool town. Yeah.

[Wayne Federman]

Oh, my God. So anyway, I'm from Plantation. It's kind of an embarrassing name. And I went to South Plantation High School. I'm from the Lesson Progressive part. The south part of a place called Plantation.

[Lynne Hoffman]

There's a south part of Plantation?

[Wayne Federman]

Yes. That's what south. I went to South Plantation High School.

[Lynne Hoffman]

So it's just so funny.

[Wayne Federman]

I know it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. But they had this. Oh my God, I wish I could remember the name of it. But like at the, in the guidance counselor's office, like this book of possible professions.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Yes.

[Wayne Federman]

And it was like numerous books. And you would read it. Doctor, you know, how to do anesthesiologist, if you didn't want to be a full doctor thing and nurse, nurse assistant, whatever, construction manager stuff. And one of them was entertained, literally. They had like entertainer. They didn't say stand up comedian, but they, you know. And I was reading about it, I was like, oh, this, this is actually a career. And then once I realized that making people laugh could be a career, that's exactly what I wanted to do. And I just did two things. I did stand up and I wanted to be a good comedic actor, like in commercials, which I also was able to knock on wood, achieve a little bit. So that was my strategy. So I don't know if I have a relationship with comedy. Yeah, I have a relationship. Comedy hasn't called me quite a bit. I'm getting desperate. I keep calling comedy on the weekends.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Break up.

[Wayne Federman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Comedy broke my heart several times, actually. Comedy scene. Another comedian that. It's really. It's bad. It's bad. I don't know why you would So I don't really think of it having a relationship with it as more of just, I don't know, an offender. Absolute affinity for it because it's the best. It's so human. That's what I love about comedy is the human part about it. It's like you're really, it's part of the human. And it goes back way before Stan. You know, I mean as soon as they were the. Even before then, like in all of these societies, like you know, Incas that they all Native Americans, there was always like a funny person and making laugh was part of the human experience. So I'm just part of a small part of this huge wave that's been part of being alive. It's part of being alive now.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Speaking of that, do you feel that people have to be able to laugh at themselves in order to be a good comedian?

[Wayne Federman]

I, I try not to. Again, I'm like a bad person for this podcast because I'm, I'm a very much a nuanced guy for the most part. Lynn. I do think, yes, I think I. But I do know comedians that are just like to are angry at the world and have a comedic lens in which to vent that anger. And I don't know if they have a sense of humor about themselves. So I don't know if that's true for me. Like that's, I do self deprecating comedy. So I'm always.

[Lynne Hoffman]

There is no better. There really is no better.

[Wayne Federman]

Well, thank you. Thank you. I don't know if that's true, but yeah, I, so that's what I try to do. But I can't speak on behalf of other, I can't speak on behalf of other comedians. For myself, I like making fun of myself. And somebody once said that's like you just can't take your, you know, the whole thing is ridiculous anyway. When you break down, stand up, you're just like, if there was an alien who came down and walked into a comedy club and there's one person standing and everyone else and then they're making these involuntary sounds and then once in a while clapping, like, what is happening here? Like, why are these people. What is this weird ritual that's going on with these grunting noises and things and screams and like, okay, deal.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Love making people laugh. Do you love working with other people that make you laugh? Is, is that sort of par for the, for your profession?

[Wayne Federman]

You know, I don't know if I use the word love, but I do have an intense, intense attraction. No intense passion for it. I do. I do. I love. Not only do I like doing comedy, which is terrifying at times because when it's not going well, not only do you know it, the audience knows it. Everyone in the room can feel it. It's not great. It's not great. And I know. And so there's a little bit of, like, you're on a tightrope up there and you can fall and people can tell, and it's. You're a Wallenda brother all of a sudden. It's not good. It's not good. So I do love doing it, but I also love watching it. And I know other comedians who don't watch other. Don't watch comic. They don't like it. They just want to think about what they're doing because they don't want someone.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Who'S funnier, that they don't want to see someone who's funnier than them.

[Wayne Federman]

I think partly maybe that just like. Because it's. I hate to say it, underneath all of this love of comedy and elevated the stuff, there is. There's this huge competition and suddenly, oh, that comedian's driving a Lamborghini, and I'm still. Still with the Camry over here. So it's. There is that part of it? No question. No question.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Yeah.

[Wayne Federman]

The goals in comedy is to be big. Like, that's your kind of your goal. And so it's very clear who is selling out arenas and who is, you know, not. Or playing smaller clubs or. I don't even know if you know this. Not to get in the weeds too much, but there's like A, clubs and then what they call B clubs and C, clubs, and that's. And with each letter, it keeps getting worse. The kind of environment you have to perform in front of. So. So no, it's. And it's all getting laughs. It's all getting. From the open micr to Dave Chappelle. They're all doing the same thing. Standing up there, trying to get laughs, using your mind and your words and your thought, you know, comedic ideas that you're presenting through your. What I call specific comedy lens. Like how you're seeing the world. Yeah, it's just like, oh, I see it focused here. You're looking there like, I don't remember to you.

[Lynne Hoffman]

What does it feel like to you when you do that? Like, have you ever. Have you ever bombed and then had to recover?

[Wayne Federman]

Please.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Oh, come on, give it to me, please.

[Wayne Federman]

Please. Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't want to. Really. I will tell you the site of my Worst show was in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania at a Holiday Inn. I don't want to go into the details of it, but that's a whole. That's how comedy almost killed me. Should be your other podcast.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Oh, no. So it was a very, very.

[Wayne Federman]

Oh, it's devastating. And some comedians have an ability like if it goes bad, they'll turn on the audience because they're like, I'm not going to be the one feeling bad about this. You're going to be the one. I'm going to punish the crowd. It's really interesting, Lynn. I was never like that. I was always, oh, this feels good. This is, this means I'm not funny or I don't have the skills to do this or I don't have it tonight. And I will tap dance my way through this. The best I can put on a fake smile that everyone sees is fake and try to power through it and. But I try not to turn on the crowd. I try as a rule. I can't even think of times. I know I don't think I ever have.

[Lynne Hoffman]

And.

[Wayne Federman]

But that's a self defense mechanism for a lot of comics that they don't. They're like, I'm not gonna feel bad. You're gonna feel bad because this isn't work. Even if it is the comedians. Anyway, very new.

[Lynne Hoffman]

I've been in an audience of that.

[Wayne Federman]

You have?

[Lynne Hoffman]

I have. I've seen that happen before. Yeah. Out in LA one time. Yeah, it was painful. Like I, I cringed for the comedian and for the audience because it was really difficult and, and I give you so much credit for just going back at it and still, what keeps you going in this? Been able to collect such an incredible resume.

[Wayne Federman]

Great question. I think one of my skills.

[Lynne Hoffman]

I got a good question.

[Wayne Federman]

If finally, after all this time without an assumption built into one of my skills, besides being okay at comedy and all of that, is I have an ability to recover from rejection. I have that. It's not immediate. It's not like, oh, whatever that thing, brush it off. Like it takes a day or something or maybe a few days. And, and if I have a bad set, I, it's not. I really don't feel completely whole until I'm back on stage and had a reasonable set after that. So. But I do have the ability to. And I've had a lot of really very devastating rejections. And I'm just like, all right, this is part of this, is it. No one, no one owes you any. Like show business doesn't owe me a career at all. There's no, you know, there's no thing. There's no guy weighing out, oh, what's fair or anything like that. So that would be, to answer your one good question this entire. Kidding. I'm kidding. To answer your insightful. I would say my ability to handle reject. Yes. Yeah. All right.

[Lynne Hoffman]

I got another follow up on that if you're okay.

[Wayne Federman]

Of course. I love it. Let's follow up.

[Lynne Hoffman]

The follow up is, what would you say to a young person who's getting into the industry who has a difficult time dealing with rejection or, you know, that they're heading in that direction? What would you say to them? What kind of advice, words of wisdom, Sage Adjunct professor.

[Wayne Federman]

That's good.

[Lynne Hoffman]

What would you say?

[Wayne Federman]

I would try again. I try. Not like I feel like everyone's on their own path and their own way. And just because I did it this way doesn't mean that'll work because obviously the industry changes a little every day. Obviously. It's way different now than when I started. I would just say, you know, keep. Keep creating. Try, you know, try not to take a person. I don't know. I don't know.

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[Wayne Federman]

Well, this is. This is what's coming into my head.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Okay. Okay.

[Wayne Federman]

Is a sidebar. Because I really feel like younger people have way better connection and ability and tools to deal with negative feedback because of the Internet. Like, I know people that, like, they think it's funny when they get hate comments on their TikTok or X videos or Instagram videos. They think it's funny. Others even think it's great. It's like, that's how you build an audience. You have to have some people that hate you and some people love you. They fight. And that adds to your, you know, your algorithm or something. Yeah, yeah. The number of impressions you make, I'm sure you know this world.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Wayne Federman]

Something. I don't know any. So I actually would do with the. I think I could get advice from young people on how they deal with just, you know, making fun of whatever you're most vulnerable about. The way you look, the way you sound, that your material, you're not funny, all of that. I actually think usually younger people are way better at handling that than I am. They're just like, oh, I think it's funny that I have haters. I'm like, oh, well, yeah, they have.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Thick skin these days.

[Wayne Federman]

Yeah, I'm not. I'm not that evolved. I'm a sensitive person. I think you can tell. We'll be right back with more of the Comedy Save Me podcast.

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[Wayne Federman]

Welcome back to the Comedy Saved Me podcast.

[Lynne Hoffman]

You had this recurring role on one of my all time favorite shows on HBO called Curb youb Enthusiasm.

[Wayne Federman]

Yes.

[Lynne Hoffman]

And I always wanted to know how. I mean was the whole thing ad libbed? Did you just get bullet points? And how do you go up against these titans of television and comedy and ad lib and. And feel confident about it? I mean that, that must have been it. Was that harder than doing stand up show?

[Wayne Federman]

No, much easier. Much easier how? Because stand up show, it's all on you. It's like the whole thing, you get all the acclaim and you get all the blame. Like it's. I know that. That rhymes. I just came up with that. So that is the, you know, the high wire act that stand up comedy. Like you are up there. Just so you know, human beings biggest fear is standing on stage talking to an audience. Like more than death, more than dying in a plane crash, any of that, drowning, it's that that's human beings. And then to add another level, Lynn, of expectation that you need to elicit laughter. Now we're talking about a level where people are just how many times. I mean people always Come up to me like, I don't know how anyone could possibly do it. I'm like, well, you don't have to. Luckily, you don't have to. Thank you for paying to come to the show. So. So back to Curb youb Enthusiasm. That's much easier. Yes. You nailed it. You answered your own question. This is your second best question. Because I don't have to do anything. I just have to nod. Yes, there is bullet points of what has to happen in the scene. And no lines of dialogue are written at all. And all you. All you have to do is just listen and react. That's all you have to do in the. And incur beer enthusiasm.

[Lynne Hoffman]

See, that would horrify me because I would be so worried that it wouldn't be good or up to par. And then what does Larry say to you? If you don't really give him what he wants, you have to do that over again.

[Wayne Federman]

We do it over and over, and he's like. Each time he's like, do more of that. Do less of that. But he kind of liked what I was doing. Right. I sort of had an angle on how to play this character, Dean Weinstock, and so. Which was, I want to be the worst person in the world, but under the guise of a nice person, like what they call passive aggressive. So that was like. That was just like my angle. And it was working right from the start. Luckily, I don't know what would have happened if he had been like, oh, this is not what we wanted at all. I mean, I guess there was that possibility. So, I don't know. I just thought it was easy, actually. Much easier to me than acting when you have lines that are written. Because then I'm kind of worried that I'm going to forget the lines. That's true.

[Lynne Hoffman]

I didn't even think of that at all.

[Wayne Federman]

A little bit. Please, please.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Sorry. I know.

[Wayne Federman]

Love of God.

[Lynne Hoffman]

I love. I love that you're beating me up.

[Wayne Federman]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm gonna get bad review. Yeah, so I have. I don't know. You've acted, right?

[Lynne Hoffman]

Occasionally, but not.

[Wayne Federman]

Yeah, but it's like when you act, you have to say these lines the same way and make it sound like you're thinking of them at the time. And it's.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Oh. Oh, yeah. I'm a voiceover artist as well. I do imaging for, like, hundreds of stations and radio and television and stuff. So I guess that would be my acting. Because I have to read lines and sound important.

[Wayne Federman]

Yeah, yeah, but. But I'm saying on camera, if you don't have the line right in front of you on a stand, do you clip it on or do you. What's your. What's your technique?

[Lynne Hoffman]

My microphone?

[Wayne Federman]

Yeah, No, I mean, I'm talking about the. The copy you have to read.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Oh. My technique is I try to be like Don LaFontaine and just do one take. It never works out that way, though. I like, I try to just read cold and just go through the lines and react as I naturally am reading it as opposed to thinking about it too much.

[Wayne Federman]

What a legend. That dude used to drive around in that limo to cake take. Oh, my God.

[Lynne Hoffman]

I know.

[Wayne Federman]

In a world. In a world, in a world. So. So that's it. So, yes, I found it very. Actually, I didn't find it that challenge. I mean, I was thrilled at the situation I thought was funny. And. And I'd known Larry when he was doing stand up, so I had already known the guy. So it wasn't like.

[Lynne Hoffman]

It wasn't an unknown.

[Wayne Federman]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lynne Hoffman]

All right, so last question. And my God, I'm starting to get a little anxiety because what did I do? Question.

[Wayne Federman]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Lynne Hoffman]

If comedy hadn't found you, where do you think you would be today? What do you think you would be doing? Actually, this is second to last question, because I have one more.

[Wayne Federman]

You can do two. Can do two. Bonus. We're in the window into the bonus round. I don't care.

[Lynne Hoffman]

All right.

[Wayne Federman]

I have a hunch it would be close to what I'm doing now, which is I teach this history of stand up class at USC based on my book. But I always kind of liked history. It might have been. It might have been, like, stayed in school and become a teacher or something. I. I like, you know, I know that sounds creepy, but I. I like kids. I like their energy. I just, it's, you know, it's fun.

[Lynne Hoffman]

What's creepy about that? I feel the same. I just said to my husband the other day, it's like, let's go to dinner with the neighbors. They're like in their early 30s. They have four kids. They're so upbeat. It feels so great to be around them. You know, there's, you know, there's something to that.

[Wayne Federman]

All right, I'm curious. Where do you live? Where do you live? You don't have to tell me the exact street, but, like, I'm in Connecticut. Oh.

[Lynne Hoffman]

I was originally from Boston.

[Wayne Federman]

Oh, so you're all.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Then I went to New York, and.

[Wayne Federman]

Then I ended up you're like in a cellar, kid. I get it. Yeah.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Pretty much a cella dweller.

[Wayne Federman]

I get it. I say. I know. I know that world a little bit.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Wait, what world were we just talking about?

[Wayne Federman]

No, you were talking to my kids. Yeah, I said that I like kids and. And I think sometimes that sounds creepy, but it's true. I. I was a camp counselor and still friends with some of the kids that I was the counselor of years ago. Like, what camp? It was called Racket Lake Boys Camp. There was a Racket Lake, there's a boys camp, a lake, a girls camp on the other side. They had socials. It was so. It was like. It was like Norman Rockwell created this place. It's up in the Adirondack Mountains. No ragweed. Sometimes I have that allergy.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Oh, I thought you meant the smoking kind. I didn't.

[Wayne Federman]

No, no, no, no. See, I'm not a. I'm sorry, I'm.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Trying to ad lib with the King of Adams.

[Wayne Federman]

No, no, I get, I get. Do I look like a dope fiend to you? Do I.

[Lynne Hoffman]

No, no, just occasionally. Wayne, what do you think the world would be like without comedy in a weird way?

[Wayne Federman]

Because I know you also do the music one, correct? Yes, yes, yes. And as much as I love comedy and I've dedicated my life to it, I really think music as a human artistic form, despite the fact that it's not a give and take, is maybe more healing than comedy. And let me tell you why. Because after 9 11, they did a concert on television, a live concert, and no one wanted to hear from comedians, but we did want to hear from Tom Petty and other people, you know, singing, singing. Because that, like, touches our souls. Touches our soul in a way that comedy is more about the mind. I think music is more about the soul. Not that there's not some. And some comedians. Gary Goldman, I'm looking at you and Maria Bamford. They go into that world that. But I do feel like music does. And that's why when you go to see a musician, you want to hear the songs that you heard before that connected with you. Whereas you go to see a comedian, if they do a bit. They did 10 years ago, you're like, can you write something new, please? Please, sir, come on. It's 100% true. You have to have. You have to have new material all the time. And with music, they're like, please, Paul, play Hey Jude, Let it Be, Lady Madonna. Thank you, thank you, thank you. And if you were comedian and you want to see, I Don't know, Gaffigan or, you know, Mulaney, and he was doing his subway bit that he did from 15 years ago. I don't think you'd be that. Yeah, maybe there'd be fans like, oh, I love this bit, but it's. It's a different kind of thing. I know this is so philosophical. I hope I'm not too much into the weeds on this.

[Lynne Hoffman]

No, I appreciate it's a very refreshing take because it's. It's very different than other in interviews I've done with comedians, so I love hearing a totally different angle. I tend to be more on, like, the agreeable side with you because when people ask me about stuff that I do, I'm always, like, so unimpressed. I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know how it affects people. I'm not trying to. I'm just kind of doing what makes me feel good and, you know, but. But the success that you've had, it's a lot. And obviously you've been so busy. Sometimes we get so busy working, all of a sudden it's like 10 years go by and you're like, what happened? You know, what am I need to get caught up on? Because I'm so into what I'm doing. But I just disagree with you about the feeling, because you feel like.

[Wayne Federman]

You feel like comedy is more for the soul than for the mind.

[Lynne Hoffman]

I just think that when you hear that song or that you've had incredible belly laughs, it's the same feeling that you. You just feel healed in some way.

[Wayne Federman]

Maybe. I mean, obviously people get. There's some cathartic experience going on with comedy when you're just losing it and stuff.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Yeah.

[Wayne Federman]

So, I mean, that. That is true. So maybe. Maybe I'm underselling comedy a little bit. I just think of it. I think of it a little more as a. Less elevate. I know this sounds horrible because I've dedicated my whole life here, my, you know, my few hours, as I like to say here on this planet, to this. It's a good question. It is a good question. I guess for some people, comedy is obviously healing and reinvigorating and life affirming. Right, of course, of course. But to the level of music, I don't.

[Lynne Hoffman]

I don't know.

[Wayne Federman]

I don't know.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Sorry.

[Wayne Federman]

I don't know. I mean, it's not. There's no right or wrong, obviously. It's just Wayne with the stupid opinions.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Well, Wayne, are you going to be teaching anytime soon? A Class at usc. That little college out in California.

[Wayne Federman]

Yeah.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Anytime soon.

[Wayne Federman]

Yeah, I'll be. The next week I'll be. Yeah.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Well, I think you should add to your syllabus.

[Wayne Federman]

Tell me.

[Lynne Hoffman]

I think you should add.

[Wayne Federman]

Hold on, hold on. Okay, I got the paper. Let me write this down.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Come on. It's not going to be that earth shattering. I just use.

[Wayne Federman]

By the way, I use the flare pen. Are you familiar with this?

[Lynne Hoffman]

Did you do a commercial for that one time?

[Wayne Federman]

No, no. Oh, I've never seen a flare pen commercial.

[Lynne Hoffman]

I don't have a flare pen.

[Wayne Federman]

Do you know what it is? They're very hard to come.

[Lynne Hoffman]

It's really good.

[Wayne Federman]

What do you use? What do you use? What is that?

[Lynne Hoffman]

This pen says JC Mobile Auto.

[Wayne Federman]

Okay, so that's a promotional pen. Okay. A little different world.

[Lynne Hoffman]

No, I think that in all seriousness, what if you studied a little bit of the physical effects, the scientific effects of the power of comedy.

[Wayne Federman]

Oh, okay.

[Lynne Hoffman]

You know, can you.

[Wayne Federman]

Is there any sort of research on that? Is there any sort of science?

[Lynne Hoffman]

Research it now.

[Wayne Federman]

No, no, no, no. I thought you were like, oh, you have to study Brendelberg's paper where he.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Talked about maybe a scientist could come in like somebody who does study the, the effects of laughter on the human body. Okay. Could be like, take you in a whole new direction you never even thought of.

[Wayne Federman]

I will. I'm writing. I wrote it down. Yes, I think it's a good idea. I think it's a good idea. Of course, of course.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Well, on that note, don't they always say you should go out on top?

[Wayne Federman]

I always heard you leave them wanting more. But you say go out on top.

[Lynne Hoffman]

All right. Going out on top. Well, just in your eyes, Wayne, because I do want to leave you with good feelings because I am such a huge fan and I'm so grateful to find have spent this time. And you're just so easy and disarming to talk to and you're like just normal kind of guy who's been in probably every television show and commercial and movie I've ever watched. So I, I really do appreciate the time.

[Wayne Federman]

Well, thank you for reaching out. I know this was. This was like a month ago we were going to do this and we kept missing each other and stuff. So thank you for making time.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Oh, my gosh.

[Wayne Federman]

Wayne Fetterman from South Plantation High School, South Plantation, Florida. Exactly.

[Lynne Hoffman]

If you want to know everything about Wayne, just go to WayneFetterman.com and. And you will just laugh and you will just be taken down memory lane. And see all of his incredible work and what he continues to do. What else can we look for for you in the future here?

[Wayne Federman]

Well, I would say two things, by the way, I'm also my favorite credit outside of Curb is there's a movie called Legally Blonde, which I am in, of course.

[Lynne Hoffman]

One of my favorites, too.

[Wayne Federman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lynne Hoffman]

It's no joke, though. If you were to stand here and just say the name of everything that you have worked on, we I would have to time it because it would go on for a long time and you don't look old enough. So that's another crazy thing we can talk about next time.

[Wayne Federman]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Wayne Betterment.

[Wayne Federman]

That's it. And there's going to be an updated version of the history of Stand up that's coming out January 15th. I've added a new chapter because I ended it right during COVID which was around 2000. So now there's been another five years of stand Up.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Fantastic. So are you going to have that as a podcast as well?

[Wayne Federman]

I mean, I mean, I do do a podcast, yes. I mean, but basically it's the book. Basically, it's the book and the audiobook. I have never released it as an audiobook, so I'm going to be doing what you do, staying in front of a mic reading thing.

[Lynne Hoffman]

That's awesome. Well, enjoy. And if you need a stand in, I'm happy to do it.

[Wayne Federman]

Oh, my God, you're too nice. You're too nice.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Thank you to Wayne Federman for being on Comedy Save Me. And we'll see you next time. Maybe you. Come on, Music Save Me. We can talk about your musical career.

[Wayne Federman]

It's not as deep as obviously my state, my comedy career.

[Lynne Hoffman]

Thank you so much.

[Wayne Federman]

All right, thank you again. Thank you again.

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