Talkin’ Cowboys: 2… 1… 0?

Summary

Talkin’ Cowboys: 2… 1… 0?

Podcast: Talkin' Cowboys
Date: October 21, 2025
Summary By: Dallas Cowboys Crew (Kyle Yeomans, Patrick "No C" Walker, Isaiah Stanback, Josh Rodriguez, Chris Beam)
Location: The Star, Frisco, TX

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Episode Overview

In this lively Tuesday edition, the Talkin’ Cowboys crew breaks down key updates surrounding the Dallas Cowboys, including significant roster health news, debates around returning players, and in-depth positional analysis. The hosts field passionate listener calls about offensive depth charts, potential trades, and the overall direction for the team as the season approaches a crucial stretch.

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Key Topics & Discussion Highlights

1. Roster and Injury Updates

Time: 05:11 – 13:45

• Trayvon Diggs remains in concussion protocol despite efforts; not yet cleared and sent home after assessment.
  • “They looked at him and said, you know what? You still don't look quite great, my friend.” – Chris Beam (05:28)
• Demarvion Overshown (Linebacker):
  • 21-day practice window opens tomorrow, giving Cowboys until Nov. 17 (post-bye) to activate.
  • Returning from two major knee injuries—described as “a ball of positivity and hope.”
  • “He’s coming back to give us exactly what we want: that vocal leader on defense.” – Chris Beam (08:38)
• Savone Revel (CB, third-round rookie):
  • Also opening his 21-day window; first time practicing since ACL tear in Sept. 2024.
  • Team managed his return carefully, waiting for him to feel comfortable with a knee brace.
  • “If he’s 100% or even close... he’s going to be a massive uptick from what you have currently at that position.” – Patrick No C Walker (10:23)
• Cooper Beebe (Center):
  • 21-day window also opening; reportedly moving well, no extra support needed for ankle.
  • “Big man looks good. Ready for Cooper Beebe to get back out there.” – Chris Beam (11:32)
• Jonathan Mingo (WR):
  • Activated from IR; team must make a corresponding roster move soon.

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2. Return Impact: Skepticism & Expectations

Time: 13:45 – 17:27

• Skepticism exists around rookie Savone Revel:
  • Jumping straight from small-school competition to NFL receivers post-injury is a big leap.
  • Caution urged: "Give the young man some grace... you cannot look at him making his debut for the Cowboys in any way, shape or form equivalent or near Demarvion Overshown returning." – Chris Beam (16:59)
• Long-term vision for Cowboys DBs:
  • The front office’s dream: Diggs and Revel on the outside, DaRon Bland in the slot.

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3. Receiver Depth Debate: Tolbert vs. Mingo vs. Flournoy

Time: 22:19 – 34:22

• Listener question initiates debate: Should Jalen Tolbert or Jonathan Mingo or Ryan Flournoy be the team’s WR3/4/5?
  • Tolbert: Reliable, good hands, “sixth-best offensive option,” does the dirty work (blocking, contested catches). Lacks explosiveness after the catch.
  • Flournoy: Explosive, better YAC, versatile, offense looks energized when he gets touches.
    • "For me, I think the conversation is rightful with Mingo and Tolbert, but I think Flournoy kind of moved up that notch." – Chris Beam (30:23)
  • Mingo: Big-bodied, potential YAC machine; intrigue due to limited NFL film so far.
• Team philosophy:
  • Different receivers serve different situational needs—no “either-or” unless it’s a matter of roster math.
  • “You got seven capable wide receivers and pass-catchers... this is a great problem.” – Patrick No C Walker (33:31)
• Long-term contracts matter:
  • Mingo and Flournoy seen as future assets; Tolbert likely not re-signed post-rookie deal.

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4. Defensive Upgrade: Trade Targets and Philosophy

Time: 34:25 – 43:51

• Could Cowboys make a ‘Pickens-like’ defensive addition before the trade deadline?
  • Names withheld, but DT Christian Wilkins is a fan favorite (if healthy); DTs on bad teams like the Titans are attractive for trade.
  • Some want a pass rusher, others prioritize run defense; consensus leans toward interior DL being the quickest way to dominance.
    • “If you can have two sure, dominant interior defensive linemen, run stoppers… you change the entire dynamic of your defense.” – Kyle Yeomans (40:10)
  • Edge rush need is debated; pass rush remains a concern despite recent improvements.
• “If you're close to being dominant in one spot, finish the job there.”
  • Don’t overpay in draft capital for something that’s just a depth improvement.

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5. Linebacker & Defensive Structure: Strengths & Adapting Scheme

Time: 47:01 – 50:03

• Returning healthy LBs (especially Overshown) gives the defense true sideline-to-sideline speed.
  • “With the return of Demo and Marist Liufau, there are two linebackers you can’t outrun sideline-to-sideline.” – Chris Beam (49:37)
• Emphasis for improvement: If the interior DL is fortified, speedy linebackers can clean up and force more passing situations, where Dallas’ secondary could excel.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Savone Revel’s readiness:
  • “He was playing at East Carolina against Appalachian State. Next man he’ll cover is Devonta Smith. That's a little bit different.” – Patrick No C Walker (15:55)
• On Ryan Flournoy’s rise:
  • “Receivers have to be able to block and willing to block. Flournoy has proven more so to me… willingness and the physical stature.” – Chris Beam (28:33)
• Best defensive philosophy:
  • “If you're close to being dominant on the interior [defensive line], then become dominant.” – Kyle Yeomans (43:51)

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Key Timestamps

• 05:11 – 13:45: Extensive injury/roster windows update and impact of returns.
• 13:45 – 17:27: Discussion of rookie expectations, especially for Savone Revel.
• 22:19 – 34:22: Listener-initiated WR depth chart debate (Tolbert/Mingo/Flournoy).
• 34:25 – 43:51: Defensive trade targets, run defense vs. pass rush debate, ways to maximize the roster.
• 47:01 – 50:03: Defensive scheme identity; LB athleticism; how a fortified DL enables aggressive defense.

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Tone & Energy

• Upbeat, familial banter with running inside jokes and friendly ribbing.
• Passionate football debates, but grounded in film study and practical roster management.
• Frequent references to relationships within the team and mutual respect among panelists.

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For Listeners New & Old

This episode is dense with valuable updates for any Cowboy fan:

• Injury returns could transform both defense and offense.
• Debate continues about optimizing roles at wide receiver and on the D-line.
• Team is positioned to improve as key pieces return—just don’t expect rookies to be superstars overnight.
• There are no easy personnel answers — but the roster’s depth is a “great problem to have.”

Transcript

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. How about them Cowboys?

[Kyle Yeomans]

This, this is Talking Cowboys streaming live.

[Patrick No See Walker]

From the Dallas Cowboys world headquarters at.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The Star in Frisco.

[Josh Rodriguez]

CD Lamb touchdown.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It's on Jake Ferguson. Prescott keeps it and he bangs it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

In for the touchdown.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And now your Isaiah Stanback, Patrick Walker.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It's a talk in Tuesday edition of Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle Coffee company live from the Star in Frisco.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Texas in the SWBC studios.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Welcome in, everybody. We've got the whole cast and crew ready for you to rock Today with Patrick Mc, O.C. walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman. So glad you're with us. Give us a call. 888-855-2297. Do not waste any time.

[Chris Beam]

Say it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Guide me now.

[Josh Rodriguez]

All right, it's officially a talking Tuesday.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It's officially talking Tuesday. 855-2297.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Family.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Family.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Family.

[Chris Beam]

Family.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Family.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There is hope in this world.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Oh, yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You guys are for those visual that are watching visually. You guys see this paper airplane right here that I made out of a.

[Patrick No See Walker]

American dollar bill in the middle of the show yesterday?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes. This US Currency right here. I, we put, we put this out there and we left it on the table and we didn't, we did not have a lot of faith it was gonna, it was gonna exist and still be here today. Who thought it was gonna be here today?

[Chris Beam]

Nobody. Nobody.

[Patrick No See Walker]

No, I didn't.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No way.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know, did you guys. I don't know if you guys did or not, but guess what? I have to go fingerprint this because I want to know exactly who picked it, who picked it up, who looked at it. And I believe that one Derek Eagleton could not pass up the opportunity to pick up this dollar bill and look around.

[Chris Beam]

The accusation has anybody was going to see him? The accusation has been levied.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I would dust these and I Will come back with a report.

[Patrick No See Walker]

All right, Derek, get your forensics files on forensic cows.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Breaker on notice.

[Chris Beam]

Derek. You've got 24 hours to respond.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I mean, it's there though.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's still there.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's still there.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Are you going to leave it there today and see if it stays another day?

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, I don't have that much faith that's coming back.

[Chris Beam]

Now you're just tempting fate.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I have to say. Our family is going to have to pick up. Isaiah stand back today. Yeah. His Seattle Mariners let it slip in the bottom of the seventh inning to the Toronto Blue Jays. Sorry, buddy, bro.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We were freaking nine outs.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You were so close.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Nine outs, bro. We were. Pitchers were doing good. Defense was playing well, offense stepped up. Just. Just maintain the lead. You know what I'm saying? Just maintain the lead. Yeah, if. If they, if they get a base hit, stand base hit, you know what I'm saying? But like, we don't give gifts. That was like King size Snicker bar on the freaking porch for, for Halloween.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You don't leave that in the hood.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know what I'm saying? You leave King Size Snickers on the porch in the hood and put a sign, it says take one.

[Isaiah Stanback]

You know what they're going to do?

[Kyle Yeomans]

They're taking a whole bowl.

[Chris Beam]

Taking them all.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's exactly what happened yesterday. It took the whole bowl yesterday. Somebody put a Snickers out there and said, just take one. Huh? You guys have a two point lead, a two run lead. Just take one and go on about your business. But. And they said, nah. Springer was like, I'm taking the whole bowl with me, buddy. I'm.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I'm heartbroken. I'm heartbroken for you. Not only because you have friends, the Mariners. Well, not. Well, there's that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We still remain the only team, only.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Team that has never made it to the World Series in history.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Way to rub that one in, team.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I'm sorry, but it. You're right. The guys that I know, Julio Rodriguez hits a bomb. So I was happy. Julio's my guy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I love Julio and I don't fault him for taking a swing on that last pitch.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It was a bad pitch, but did what he tried.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can't watch that last pitch.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, they are who you thought they were.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Cal Raleigh, who was a part of our. Let him off the hook in the minor league team. He never actually played for the power when I was there, but he was a part of our media day. Got to know him a little bit. Really cool down to earth guy. He Hits a bomb and then the fact that George Springer is the one that gets it done. A former astronaut. No, I'm sorry, but that's it for baseball talk. Let's go Dodgers News and notes. Oh, you're against them now, America. Yeah, that's true.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Go Dodgers.

[Chris Beam]

It's crazy. It's Kendrick versus Drake all over.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All over again.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Really?

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know who won that?

[Chris Beam]

Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And he's gonna win it again.

[Chris Beam]

I don't know that I can go for the Dodgers. But I tell you what.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Handmade bacon.

[Patrick No See Walker]

News and notes. Patrick, no see Walker.

[Chris Beam]

Hey, man. So let's start with a little bit of bad news, which is that Trayvon Diggs is still in a concussion protocol call, per Brian Schottenheimer. Trayvon Diggs did come to the building yesterday to try to get cleared, but they looked at him and said, you know what? You still don't look quite great, my friend.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Nah.

[Chris Beam]

So they sent him home. So they sent them home. So we'll see how that goes this week. Now, would you like some good news? I would. Would you like some great. Oh, I got some great news for you. All right, so cowboys are actually obviously they have several on IR but headline da da da da da da. Agent zero will return to practice on tomorrow. Tomorrow shown will have his 21 day practice window activated effective tomorrow.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The window is open.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, I need you to.

[Patrick No See Walker]

He tweeted it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Let me go this way.

[Chris Beam]

Like I was gonna say, I don't.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Know about the old teammate Randy Moss used to do.

[Chris Beam]

I don't know about the horizontal.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, he did tweet it after the show yesterday. Of course it wasn't during the show.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was after the show. Always after the show.

[Patrick No See Walker]

T minus twee 21.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He did love it.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And he's, he's pumped. I talked to him last night. We, we had an event together last night at the Three Forks down the road and he, man, he is pumped. Yeah, he is super excited.

[Chris Beam]

Now, bit of housekeeping note because he did tweet that on yesterday. Yeah. But the clock is not going to be started until Wednesday tomorrow. So we got that clarification. I know there were, there were multiple reports out there saying that cowboys had already started the clock. That's ab. Actually not true. They're going to wait until Wednesday because they don't want to just unnecessarily burn those two days. Because I know there were some people asking me, well, you know, pat, is it 21 practices? Is it 21, you know, business days like money through no Business days. It's.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's 20 not Amazon.

[Chris Beam]

They're not.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It's 21 running on U.S. postal Service time.

[Chris Beam]

It is 21 calendar days. So the Cowboys activating him or not activating him, but bringing him back to practice, activating that 21 day window they have until, I believe, right after the buy. So November 17th is when they would have to make a decision. So they do get the bye week of not, you know, of working that in as well. So great news there. Would you like more great news?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Well, hold on. That would put him on pace for the Raiders.

[Chris Beam]

Raiders, right. Which is right before the Eagles game. No, that's right before the Eagles.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, you're right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. There's a Raiders game would be awesome.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah. That means that Mario Nova shown, has a great chance of being on the field for the Raiders, which gives him a good shot at ramping up for a very, very important divisional matchup against the Philadelphia Eagles when they come to Arlington. Yeah, that's mixed up.

[Patrick No See Walker]

So would you say it's good to bet on demarvi and overshone being in Vegas?

[Chris Beam]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Actually, we don't bet on this show.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We don't.

[Chris Beam]

Gentleman.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's a good gamble.

[Chris Beam]

Not that a gentleman's been a gentleman's, but I love it. Kyle spoke with Demo yester that he's excited. I've had endless conversations with Demo just throughout the process of the. The recovery. And at every single point, he's just been positive and. And just grinding and he's never. You would never be able to tell that this is a young man or a grown man who has been through not just one devastating knee injury, but two like he's.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And one back in college, too.

[Chris Beam]

He's just a ball of positivity and hope and optimism, and you just love the fact that he's coming back to give Kyle and Isaiah and Josh and myself exactly what we want, which is that vocal leader on defense.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Was there anybody else's window?

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, that's why I said, would you like some more great news? Please.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Got some more great news.

[Patrick No See Walker]

We're back to this now.

[Chris Beam]

It's not. It's not as. It's not as excelsior as the Demo news, but it's still big news. Savone Revel, rookie third round pick, will be at practice on Wednesday. Cornerback.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hold on, hold on.

[Chris Beam]

Holding.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Savone Rebels back.

[Chris Beam]

He's back on the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

For the first time.

[Chris Beam]

Back. Yep.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is it back or is it.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It's here. He's here.

[Chris Beam]

He's back for the first Savon Rebel is here.

[Josh Rodriguez]

If I may.

[Chris Beam]

Yes, you may.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I like those words.

[Chris Beam]

You may.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Savone Revel.

[Chris Beam]

He will have his 21 day practice window activated as well.

[Kyle Yeomans]

21.

[Chris Beam]

Suffered a torn ACL at East Carolina in September 2024 that ended his collegiate career. But he is ready. Talked to him yesterday. He's in good spirits. Great spirits actually. He's been in great spirits this entire time. But he tells me that he's now gotten used to the brace that Brit Brown and the trainers want him to use. That's one of the reasons why they kind of held back a little bit on activating his practice window. They wanted him to get accustomed to trying to see if the brace could be comfortable for him. And now it is. He said his knee feels great.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What's that back.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Those are two dogs that are coming back. One is demarvi and overshone. And of course we've had that conversation already and what he could bring as a linebacker. But Savone Rebel was a first round caliber corner and if he's 100, 100% or even close to 100%, he's going to be a massive uptick from what you have currently at that position.

[Chris Beam]

Delicious.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Those are two position groups that need reinforcements and they're on their way.

[Chris Beam]

Would you like another dog to be at it? Would you like more great news? There's more great news. There's no way there is. Let's go to the offensive side of the ball.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No.

[Chris Beam]

Would you like. Would you like to give more to this very wealthy offense please. Starting center Cooper Beebe will also see his 21 day practice window acting.

[Kyle Yeomans]

21 message 21.

[Chris Beam]

21. 2121. Cooper baby. He is. He will be on the practice field on.

[Patrick No See Walker]

So is this just like the third rounder enforcement party? You got the Marvin over show Simone re. I like it. And then Cooper BB it's just all these third rounders coming out of the smoke like. Like a explosion in the background.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Like the worst avengers you can imagine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The Expendables.

[Patrick No See Walker]

They're ready to make it all happen. But hey, we're top 100 picks. We make this happen. I'm cool with it.

[Chris Beam]

It was good.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's awesome.

[Chris Beam]

So you get. You got. You got your starting. Starting right guard back in Tyler Booker. Now you get your starting center back soon.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Soon.

[Chris Beam]

And Cooper BB said that Cooper Bibi has been moving very well. He doesn't have any added tape or anything on that ankle kind of braces or devices or anything. Big man looks. Looks good. Looks Good. So ready for Cooper Beebe to get back out there and dirt him as he was known to do at Kansas State. Keep it to the offensive side of the ball. Would you like to make this wealthy offense wealthier is what I'm asking you?

[Patrick No See Walker]

There's another one.

[Chris Beam]

There is another one. Not that you need it, but here comes another wide receiver, Jonathan Mingo.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Bingo.

[Chris Beam]

Jonathan Mingo is being activated from IR to the active 53 man roster this week.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Wow.

[Chris Beam]

Cowboys will need to make a corresponding.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Move because his window is closing.

[Chris Beam]

We don't know what the corresponding move quite yet will be. That's going to be a very, very interesting conversation because we definitely know that you're not going to clear Ryan Flournoy through waivers after what he has done.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

You can't.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

You cannot risk at all. So it'll be interesting. So Jonathan Mingle officially back off of IR at some point this week when they make the transaction. The reason it's not made yet is because, you know, of course they need to make sure that they make what they feel is going to be the right decision as far as who they weigh to handle. But they got to make the decision by tomorrow. I guess his deadline is tomorrow.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I was wondering, I guess if you're going to make a move, I guess you have to make a move.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I believe that it would most likely makes sense for it to be at the cornerback position. Not because you can withstand that or you know, saying you actually handle that right now, but you're going to have to make another move to get Rebel Butler.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Eventually on the roster. So I think that that's Cooper Bibi. Yeah, that's. I think that's probably the spot that you have to pull from.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I talked to Butler last night. He was also there and he said same kind of thing. He said it's just depending on time and where they need the bodies and what happens. But he's, he was remember like one week after Tomarvi and Overshone tore his ACL was the same injury. It was very bang bang right next to each other. So they're, they're close on the same timeline. So you could expect Butler in his window to open at some point.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who are you most skeptical about in terms of their ability to come back? Because let's not act like as if we just expect these guys to come back at 100%.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I granted I haven't seen a lot of Savone revels contributions in college personally, but I would be remiss to say like, oh, he's Going to come in and absolutely dominate. I think one of things, the things that Kyle's brought up several times is that he was playing in a smaller school and for his last snaps to be against Appalachian State, then to come in the NFL and be guarding, you know, some of the best receivers in the world, obviously it's. I can't personally expect him to be a shutdown corner. I think we all sort of are reeling from Seatbelt Carson. Right. Like that, that name, that moniker was kind of given to him really early. The number 21 was given to him pretty early on in his career and that came with a lot of expectation. I don't want to go in with expectations for someone Rebel because I want him to make a name for himself.

[Chris Beam]

I agree and for every reason that Josh said, for me it's a Revel. It's not because of lack of ability. We all know Savone Revel has an extremely high ceiling. But this unlike Demarvian overshone. This is a rookie.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

This is 100% a rookie.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And it's a rookie coming from a group of five programs.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

So I work for the American Conference. I love talking about their fact. But the fact, the facts are the facts. He's coming from where he was playing against and I pulled up the guy's name again because I just think it's interesting. Kaden Robinson was the last guy at Appalachian State that Savone Rebel covered And if his 21 day practice window opens up this week or next week, the next guy he would cover would probably be Devontae smith who had 163 yards last week. Yeah. For the Eagles and former Heisman winner at al. So it is a little bit different and it's going to take an adjustment period. But when, but when we're talking about guys that can develop into something special and we've seen rookie corners stand out in a big way before. We've had it happen with Diggs, we've had it happen with Bland. Those guys step up big as rookies and then they end up having great careers. It can happen. But neither Bland nor Dicks have to come off of a major injury in the middle of the season to do so.

[Chris Beam]

I feel like the Arvian is going to make an impact this season. Yeah, I feel like the appropriate expectation is to look for Civil Unrevel to start making an impact next season. He's got to get a full off season of work with, with the coaching staff and in the system right now. I mean if he gets thrown in, not thrown in but if he gets any playing time this year, which it looks like he will, fact is, he is kind of being thrown in because he hasn't had an off season. Absolutely. Which adds to everything we're talking about coming from East Carolina and the competition that he went up against versus what awaits him in the NFL. The traditional rookie curve, even if he was at a power school. Yeah, right.

[Patrick No See Walker]

So you're gonna be there either way.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm less concerned about his competition level he's coming from. I'm more about the fact that he has an ACL and he's a cornerback. That's a reactionary position.

[Chris Beam]

That's fair also. I mean, you know what I'm saying?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like being on the bands with Brit Brown.

[Chris Beam]

That's awesome.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But there's no reaction that's required there.

[Patrick No See Walker]

There's no type of rep like a live.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There's no reps like a receiver running out you. And I'm sure they've had some half speed reps along the way, but until you are backpedaling and somebody breaks in front of you and you got to put your foot in the ground instinctively, I don't see it being an easy road back for him.

[Chris Beam]

But eventually, because we're all. This is reality. We're talking reality here. But that's all to say we still very much are looking forward to what Sivone Revel will be ultimately in this league. Just give the young man some grace is what we're saying. You can't. You can't. For those that might be doing so, you cannot. Look at him making his debut for the Cowboys in any way, shape or form equivalent or near demarvo Nova show and returning to the field.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So the Cowboys front office, their. Their goal, their dream, right? Their utopia is Diggs rebel on the outside, blame on the inside. That's their vision.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, that's the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, right. No, Which I like.

[Chris Beam]

No, yeah, that's the vision.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I think it'd be great.

[Chris Beam]

So lots of.

[Patrick No See Walker]

What was.

[Chris Beam]

What was that?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Nothing.

[Patrick No See Walker]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm waiting on the calls. I'm waiting on the calls, Kyle.

[Patrick No See Walker]

All right, so somebody asked Isaiah about what he meant there at the cornerback position. If you're listening, we've got talking Tuesday coming up on the other side of the break. We're gonna get to your phone calls next. 888-855-2297. More Talking Cowboys after this.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, I watched. Been seeing some good things.

[Chris Beam]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Yup. Some great talent.

[Chris Beam]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Isaiah Stanback]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Going in there with some stickers.

[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, me neither. But it is a talking to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Isaiah Stanback]

What's up, hoodie?

[Chris Beam]

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[Isaiah Stanback]

What's going on with you gentlemen? How's everybody this morning?

[Patrick No See Walker]

We're great.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Copacetic.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Wonderful.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Indeed. Indeed. Zeke. I got, I got some beef with you, man. I got some beef with you. This is the second time I heard this taken. It's killing me. Okay, now don't get me wrong. I love my Cowboys. All of them. All of them. But inconsistency is something we don't want. Okay, I understand. I heard you want girls talk, boys talk with. With my guy, Josh Rodriguez. Shout out to you on Girls talk, boys talk. Good job. You said some things that kind of rubbed me the wrong way, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What's going on, man?

[Isaiah Stanback]

I'm not so sure Tolbert is the guy. And now I get it. He comes up big in spots where you need him. I get that. But if there's an opportunity for me from, from the outside looking in, if there's an opportunity to have three physical, big bodied wide receivers who can get you yet instead of being blown on and dropped at the, at the spot of. At the spot where you catch the ball, you wouldn't want to take that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who are you referring to?

[Isaiah Stanback]

I'm talking to one Jalen Tolbert and one Jonathan Mingo and or Ryan Flournoy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Understood. So Tolbert is a sure catcher. No question about that. Correct. He doesn't have any yak yardage. No question about that. But you see a problem with that because one of the best tight end in Cowboys history had no yak yardage at all.

[Isaiah Stanback]

There's something. There's something that Jake Ferguson is doing that Jalen Tolbert is not Jake Ferguson. Now, granted you have. You have Pickens and CD so everybody's going to have all eyes on them. But even when CD Was out, Ferguson still been catching touchdowns. I mean, now I get it. He had seven touchdowns last year. It's to be commended. It's definitely to be commended. Especially with CD Being hurt all year. Last year. No. Dak Prescott. So it's definitely to be commended. But if there's a way that we can bolster this room to make it even more dangerous than what it is, would you not want to. Would you not want to make that move? I'll defer to the. To the expert. You've played the game, you've seen it. Yeah. I mean, firsthand. So, I mean, just figured I'd. I'd jump on and let's clear this beef up that we got going on.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Thanks, Hoodie coach. Appreciate you.

[Isaiah Stanback]

No problem, fellas. No problem. Love you guys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I love you, bro. Hey, always good to hear from you, fam. No. So the conversation that we were having on girls talk, boys talk was in reference to the addition potentially of a Mingo and where Tolbert fits in in this offensive scheme. And what I was informing them was saying that Tolbert is your sixth best option offensively. So being that he's your sixth best option offensively.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's very difficult to get the ball to everybody. So when you have a dominant name the six.

[Patrick No See Walker]

While we're at it, CD Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

George.

[Chris Beam]

Yep.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Ferg.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Williams.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yep.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Turpin. That's your first five. I would agree.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. So Tolbert's your sixth best option offensively. Very difficult to get him. To get him the rock.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Correct.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So understanding that you're the sixth best option, your sixth best option most likely is going to be a role player. Mean that somebody that has getting there do the dirty work blocking.

[Chris Beam]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're a big receiver, you block. You're not fast, you're not quick, you're not twitchy, you make contested catches. That's what he does. You need a guy like that who's willing to go in there, who is being asked to go in and block. Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And can make contested catches. You need guys to fulfill those roles. So the conversation isn't about is he as explosive as Flournoy? No, he's not. Not even close to it. That's the reason why Flournoy came in the game and they handed him the ball like immediately. Here, take the ball. You're fast. Okay. Same thing they did with Turpin. Take the ball. You're fast. There's a role for, for Tolbert on his squad.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's not what you anticipated him being. But your roster has evolved and players have evolved. Right. So now he is subjected to being that guy for you. And that is okay. That's all I'm saying. It's okay. So I'm not saying him instead of Flannoy. I'm saying he does things that Flannoy doesn't do and Flannoy does things that he doesn't do. So you can't cross compare them. But the scenario is going to bring out up is going to require for them to be inputted in different situations.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, really quickly. Because I know Patrick has a great point coming up. But for me it would be Jonathan Mingo all day, every day because of the advantage that he gives you from his size. I think the fact that he is a big bodied receiver, that he does have yak ability. I think just as a threat is going to give you more production than a Jalen Tolbert if he is able to do the same things that Jalen Tolbert is doing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Have we seen it?

[Josh Rodriguez]

We have not seen it yet, but we haven't seen much of Jonathan Mingo to be fair. Much?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Oh, that's.

[Chris Beam]

That was.

[Patrick No See Walker]

My point is I don't think we've seen it from Mingo either. I don't think I can practice 1000% say Jonathan Mingo is an upgrade over Jalen Tolbert. But I want to get to Patrick first. Just based off this conversation, I think I'm leaning toward Isaiah here, but I.

[Chris Beam]

Want to hear Patrick. Okay, so let me lead with this. Don't you ever in your life put Jalen Tolbert and Jason.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, no, no, no. Not at all. I was referring to the, the yak ability.

[Chris Beam]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like Tolbert's gonna catch the ball. He's not going to create a separation, but somebody's gonna be on his back because he's not quick. I hear what you're saying, but I'm talking about being okay with somebody just catching the ball.

[Chris Beam]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But that's what you're having to say.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah. You're not comparing. No.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Heck no.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Okay.

[Chris Beam]

No, I know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

I'm just saying I don't want him in the same. Listen, I play with.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know he's gonna catch the ball. Don't expect him to break a tackle and go take off his pops out one time and he did it but.

[Chris Beam]

Them in the same sentence. Yeah, I just want. Yeah. Now that being said. So everything you said about Tolbert is. Is correct counterpoint for me. I don't think having now finally seen what Ryan Flournoy can be. They've given him enough targets so he can have a breakout game. And you've seen. I think that we haven't seen enough of Mingle, but we have seen enough of Floyd. I think Flanoy is the sixth best option on offense. I think Tolbert in the mango conversation now becomes behind Ryan Flournoy for me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Interesting.

[Chris Beam]

Now you said because you, you know better than most. Okay. It's not simply about the ability to catch, but Flournoy has that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Right.

[Chris Beam]

It's not simply about the yak, but Flournoy has that as well. Receivers have to be able to block and willing to block. Flournoy has proven more so to me in that sample size willingness and he has the physical stature and the, the aggressiveness, the violence to be able to do that. Also when you look at penalties, let's. Let's talk everything. Penalties, Granite. Flournoy doesn't have as many reps in the league.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So hard to compare, right?

[Chris Beam]

It's hard to compare because you could say, well, if you extrapolate for how many would Floy probably have?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, we're not doing all that.

[Chris Beam]

You just know that Floyd didn't have the penalties that for example, ask Jayden Blue how he feels about that Tolbert holding call that deleted what would have been his biggest play thus far. You know what I mean? Or you go back to Cowboys in Green Bay, the line, you know, the penalty that helped cost them that game. So Tobert has helped you win games. Talk about the toe drag swag against the Packers. Well, at least tie that game well.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And he helped win the game for you against Pittsburgh last year.

[Chris Beam]

Absolutely. So he's helped. Definitely. Yeah. And he did it with. With hurt man parts, as he said. So I have a ton of respect for Tobert. So my take on Floyd being higher on my list of offensive weaponry for Dak Prescott is not a knock to Tolbert. It's simply to say that when you factor everything in willingness to block, ability to block, lack of penalties, Yak yardage somebody who can attack at the point, the high point and, and catch in traffic and get guys off of him. Like you're seeing him make guys miss in the. So guys are falling off of him when they get his arms around him. So for me, I think the conversation is rightful with Mango and Tobert, but I think Fenoy kind of moved up that notch. So for me, he's. He's the six.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Give me the bigger threat.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, Yeah. I look at this, this skill set or this skill position group for the Cowboys as a basketball team and a reference here. You got a starting five, of course, your, your point guards, Dak, Prescott, that's your, that's your guy 100%. Then you've got. But Pickens, Lamb, Ferguson and then Williams. Those are your four other guys. And they all play a specific role. Some are explosive. All can do their job at an extremely high level. That's your starting five, but your starting five can't play the whole game. You're going to have to have role players to come off the bench. That's where Turpin comes in. That's where Tolbert comes in. That's where Flannoy comes in. So the knock on Tolbert, a lot of it has to do with his draft stock and what they expected him to be. I think we've seen what Tolbert is and who he can be. He can make an impact. He can do certain things in this offense that can help you win football games. He's done something that Ryan Flournoy hasn't done, which is catch touchdown passes. Ryan Flannoy has zero touchdown passes in his career. But Ryan Flournoy has done something that Jalen Tolbert hasn't. Hasn't done. His explosiveness led to a 100 yard receiving game, whereas Jalen Tolbert has never had a 100 yard receiving game. So it's not an either or question unless you're trying to make a roster move. And that's where Jonathan Mingo enters the fold. Correct. So it's, it's all about what they see in their scheme, in their system, and how they're going to employ that, that plan under their starting five moving forward. Because this would be a much heftier conversation if Lamb and Pickens were out like we've seen Lamb out this year. Pickens stepped up and they just fed him the rock more and more. If, if Pickens was never in the fold to start this season, it would be a bigger role because you would need one of those to step into a starting role. You don't need that right now, but what you do need is to field a capable team around your starting five and give you something that you don't have somewhere else.

[Chris Beam]

Real quick look at Mel Ask. Are we apologizing because Flow is better? Hell no. You know who you're asking this of this is Flow. Hive, baby.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Exactly.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You've always been on Flow's bandwagon and we've had. We've had plenty of criticism for Jalen Tolbert, but it's an either or question right now.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But I mean, look to the future because I don't think you. I mean look at just simply the contract. You have Mingo on contract for at least two more years.

[Chris Beam]

Correct.

[Patrick No See Walker]

One after this year.

[Josh Rodriguez]

One after this year. And then you also have Flournoy. It's a draft pick. So two more years.

[Chris Beam]

Right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Jalen Tolbert.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Tolbert's not coming back.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Probably not.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So I mean, so at that point then there's. Why not incorporate him more into the offense that you're going to keep running shot and be here next year.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's here and I know we gotta get out to the next caller, but he's here and he's been productive.

[Chris Beam]

Look what you do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is he explosive? No. And that's why people like the shiny thing in Flournoy. He's the shiny thing. He's an explosive player. He can. You look forward to what he can do when he gets the ball in his hand. But the reality is Tolbert has shown you he consistently that he can get the ball in his hands when one.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Of those starting five is out. Ryan Flournoy is a better fit to fill that role. But when they're all together and that starting five is all complete, maybe you need a steady hand in the fold and that's kind of the thought process there.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's fair.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It's dependent on the situation and it's a good problem to have. This is a great problem. You got seven capable wide receivers and. And pass catchers or skilled players around Dak Prescott that you feel very confident.

[Chris Beam]

Will you make an inactive Mingle? Probably Mingo? Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I mean he's gonna be on an.

[Chris Beam]

Active roster, but once Mingle gets up to speed and I look forward to seeing him with Dak because that was one thing that I hated last year is that you could not gauge Mingle because Cooper Rush had zero connection.

[Patrick No See Walker]

No, he couldn't.

[Chris Beam]

Right. But once Mingle gets up to speed.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Assuming we don't know what he can do.

[Chris Beam]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We truly don't. Exactly what I'm saying we truly don't know what means.

[Chris Beam]

So assuming they. Trevor Keegan, just hypothetically, if he goes to ir, assuming they don't wave a receiver, that means you're going super heavy at receiver. Super. So somebody's gonna be. Yeah. Who's going to be an actor. Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

All right, we got to get to our second caller.

[Chris Beam]

Troy.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Troy in Philly. That's a good question, too. Troy of Philly, you're on talking Cowboys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What's up, Troy?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Hey, my guys. How you guys doing, man? Hey. Hey, man. Well, first of all, Friday's call on Friday's show was special. Josh, keep it coming. I mean, you know, except for the, you know.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, no, you asked for it.

[Chris Beam]

All over the place.

[Isaiah Stanback]

As far as where the team is, I'm actually pretty good with where the team is. Three, three and one couple games I like to have back, particularly to Chicago and Carolina games I like to have back. But I'm okay with this with where the team is, considering I believe they have an elite quarterback, weapons all around them, good coaching. I'm good with that because I believe in years past, this team has peaked a little too soon. We're in September, October, maybe early November. They go on six, seven, eight game winning streaks or maybe five and one, six, one, whatever it is. And I think they peak a little too soon and then sort of limp into the playoffs. So as long as this team is ascending, I'm good with that. But that leads me to my question I wanted to ask you guys. Is there a. And I know you guys can't mention names, but is there a Pickens type player out there that maybe your team don't want or don't think that they're going to be able to sign them or whatever the case may be on defense that, that the general manager, the owner thinks that he can. Believes that he can go out and get. And get this defense maybe from 30 where. Wherever it is. 31, 32, whatever it is, to that 15 to 20 range. And what position do you think that guy may be out there? Thank gosh.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Thanks, Troy and Philly for the call.

[Chris Beam]

Great question.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I know one name. What was that?

[Kyle Yeomans]

We hit on this a little bit.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, we talked about it a little bit yesterday on whether or not there needs to be a move made moving forward. I think there's one name that we can talk about because he's a free agent that Isaiah has been very adamant on trying to go and join forces with. He wants Christian Wilkins.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He really would like.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Tackle.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, he's tickled By Christian Wilkins.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, the. The idea certainly has him infatuated whenever it comes to putting him on the defensive line. But as far as a trade goes, if you're going to get an impact player on defense in the middle of a season, it's going to cost you a pretty penny.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Going to cost you a little.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It's going to cost you a lot. A lot.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's going to cost you.

[Patrick No See Walker]

So what do you think, Pat? When you look at other rosters around.

[Chris Beam]

The league, there are. There are a couple names that we can't say. Like you mentioned, we can't. But I've said this on the show as recently as a couple weeks ago when, maybe even last week when you asked me to put on the GM cap, I said I would make a trade. I would be willing to part with one of those first round picks that you got in the deal with Micah and I would address the defensive end position. And I get what you're saying with the defensive tackle. I'm curious to see where Perry on Winfrey is in his return behind Kenny Clark and trying to bolster that situation, but we'll see. I am more confident in the run defense getting back to where they need to be than I am with the outlook for the pass rush. I know what you have with James Houston. Love that. I love that. I see Jadevion Clowney finding his groove. I love that. I see Dante Fowler getting on the right track and kind of getting close to what we know Dante can be. But as we have this conversation, am I willing to bet the season on it? No, I am not. Which means I am willing to part ways with one of those picks to go and get a George Pickens type guy. And there's one in my, in my mind right now. I can't say his name, but the guy's quite a Tiger.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Understood. There are some solid D linemen on some teams that suck right now. Some solid interior D linemen. I would like to have a defensive end to go out there and get some pressure, but the reality is if you can stop a team from running the ball, you can elicit pressure, right? Yeah. So I would love to go get the free agent, the tickler along or.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Can'T call him that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I sure can. I would love to go get him or I would like to grab one of these guys from, from one of these teams that just are terrible and they're going nowhere right now. And Tennessee Titans have, have some big fellas, some big fellas up front that are big time run stoppers.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And I think that they are most likely exploring all options that are on the table.

[Patrick No See Walker]

So you're not looking at pass rush to bolster.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I. I would much rather put it like this. If Clark gets hurt.

[Chris Beam]

What do you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What do you mean?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, that would be rough.

[Chris Beam]

That's why I said.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I mean, I already anticipated that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Saw that on Sunday.

[Chris Beam]

Right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Came out of the game. Thank God he went back in. But it's like, if that is not indicative of a winning season if he's out because he is such a. Such a crucial element to that defense. Traded for him for that hope.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That flash in front of all the decision makers. Eyes like, oh, he's down. Like, he very easily could have torn his whole elbow off on that play. And you would have been sitting up there like, all right, Mozzie, let's go.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

I will say if. If. If that's what you're going to do. I'm with you on. I don't know if I'm with you on. On the who, but that's a free agency thing that I would do. Like, because you've already traded to acquire a guy, Kenny Clark right there. I'm not trading to acquire another guy there. I just.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You have the depth. Are you. Are you comfortable with the depth there?

[Patrick No See Walker]

No, not at all.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So why wouldn't you.

[Chris Beam]

I'm good with the free age.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Are you good with Mozzie Smith? Are you good with Jay Toria right now?

[Josh Rodriguez]

No.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're not good with either one of them. I mean, I'm saying that, but that's.

[Chris Beam]

Why I also said I need to know where Perryon is in his recovery. I need to know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But is he a dominant.

[Chris Beam]

I don't know.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

You know what I'm saying?

[Kyle Yeomans]

So I'm saying dominant. If you can have two sure. Dominant interior defensive lineman run stoppers. I'm not even talking about.

[Chris Beam]

I get what you're saying.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm talking about two interior big fellas. You're not running the ball in here. You change the entire dynamic of your defense, especially when you have linebackers that are most likely undersized, considered to be undersized, that fly around and hit. If you can free up those linebackers to run and hit, and then you can go out there and press, man, with your utopia of. Of defensive backs that you have.

[Chris Beam]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

With Revel and DB and Diggs, if that's your. What you're trying to get to stop the run, force these cast to pass. I will get some pressure. I'll send one additional linebacker. I'LL send Leop, I'll send over shown. I'll send Shamar James. I'll send whoever to get some more pressure. Oh, just like you just saw this past week.

[Chris Beam]

But listen, schematically I 100% agree with you. How we get there is where we're not on the same page. Example. So what you're wanting is a one take situation that mirrors a three tech situation. You have osa, you have Soli, OSA Sally, OSA Salah Sally. Sally was a free agency and he's older. That's fair. I'm simply saying that you could solve this in free agency and I would be more comfortable with it. And honestly, if you not. I'm not out on Wilkins. But if you're coming to me and you're saying would you rather trade to acquire someone behind Kenny Clark or would you rather go with Wilkins? And I would rather go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't think, I don't think that Wilkins is healthy. Otherwise he'd have been gone by now.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So I don't think he's healthy. But I or my be the other thing if you can tell me that too. But if you could tell me that I could put somebody next to Kenny Clark that's going to demand the respect of the opposing offensive line. Man, give me that dude.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Give me like this dude in the one technique, this dude in three technique.

[Patrick No See Walker]

We can't move these guys get after it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We can't. Oh yeah. Osa. Osa. Go do what you do, Solomon.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Cool.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Right?

[Kyle Yeomans]

And then young fellas, y' all sprinkle in there as well. Right? But like being able to put two guys on the inside between the guard and the center and saying, yeah, nah, not in here, player. Yeah. Like that changes. Absolutely. If you're playing Madden, that changes everything. You're like, I'm going outside.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Let me, let me ask you a question.

[Chris Beam]

Alan Kane combo is what you're talking about.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Washington, which you did not want to run straight.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Josh was going to ask this question. Then we got to go to break.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Just really quickly. I feel like if you bring in a pass rusher as opposed to a defensive tackle, I think that is going to improve the play of OSA Diggy. I really think he benefited, obviously he benefited from the pass rush of Michael Parsons when Michael Parsons was here. If you bring in a guy that is able to give you an upgrade of what you currently over what you currently have in Sam Williams, please. You know what I mean? I, I think you need to do that. I think that's the move that I would make currently. But I also just beef up the defensive line in any way possible. Whether it's an end, whether it's interior.

[Chris Beam]

I'm fine with that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Interior.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah. I agree with the interior being an important part of this whole puzzle and how it is. But would you say this year 2025 is the best interior defensive line play the Cowboys have had in.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, for sure.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Push.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Absolutely. Push it over to edge and totally. I completely agree. But if you're going to spend high draft capital to do something even with the best interior defensive line play that we've had in 10 years in the Cowboys organization, you've had one of the worst pass rushes in the same time period.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't disagree.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You can you even with one big play. Exactly. Let's just. If you want to sure up the depth of your defensive tackle room, sure, fine. Go make it happen. Just don't spend first round draft picks to go get somebody.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I didn't say yeah for saying first round because I don't know who you would trade a first round interior D lineman, but I know we got to go. But like you have to be dominant somewhere. Yeah. You can't just be across the board. So if you're close, if you think that you're closest to being dominant on the interior, then become dominant.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yes.

[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

All right.

[Patrick No See Walker]

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Back to Talking Cowboys back here on talking Cowboys. This segment of the show is brought to you by Invisalign, the official smile of the Dallas Cowboys. Let's quickly go to Mike in New York. You're on Talking Cowboys. What up, big Mike?

[Isaiah Stanback]

What's going on, guys? I want to say the biggest improvement I think for the Cowboys is Obviously, our defense, hopefully we could just keep it up. I just, you know, I feel like, you know, we get certain guys back over. Sure. Back in a couple weeks. It's just, I want to just, I want to see us be consistent on defense. It's, you know, we talk about it all the time. That's, that's, that's my biggest takeaway.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Gotta, gotta be better on the defensive side. And we saw a step in the right direction coming up this past Sunday. That's the biggest thing. And that's part of what our debate was in the last segment. It was, you're trying to beef up this defense enough to keep the momentum rolling in the right direction because your offense is elite. We've had that, that hold debate for a week now on this show, and I think we're seeing why that's the case.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What do your linebackers do best? Run downhill Running hit downhill or side to side?

[Chris Beam]

Downhill.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Downhill.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You think so?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You think your, your entire linebacker core.

[Chris Beam]

No, not an entire.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm talking about entire linebacker core.

[Chris Beam]

Demo as well.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yep.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sideline to sideline, right?

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

For Demo.

[Chris Beam]

Demo certainly sidelines out.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Demo is Marisley foul.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Demo is sidelined to sideline. But they are very different, different players.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Maris Leefow, would you consider him downhill or sideline to sideline?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Kenneth Murray? Absolutely not. Jack Zamborn? Absolutely not. Maris Leefow and DeMarvi and overshone who right now have been either off the field entirely or not on the field at all. A ton in Maris, Leefeld, the guys you haven't been playing, they're sideline. The sideline, but the guys that have been playing. So talking about a better downhill.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So talking about potential additions for your future moves because games that are coming up is your future. Right. So are we, are we talking about what has been on the field in Sanborn or are we going to talk about what is going to be on.

[Patrick No See Walker]

The field, which is who they're going to put?

[Chris Beam]

Well, you got to look at Shamar because you know he's getting.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's a tackle machine. Yeah, he's a tackle machine all over. So if you're linebackers, if your linebackers can run and hit, which is what Dallas's linebackers do.

[Chris Beam]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You. The chances of you outrunning them sideline to sideline is slim to none. Correct. Put the big boys up front. Go get it. Go get a big boy. So that they teams have to run sideline to sideline.

[Chris Beam]

Chances of you out, the chances it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Doesn'T fix your passwords. But you can get pressure by, by sending blitzes. If your goal, stop the run if, if you stop the run. And now teams have to pass and you have corners that you think now, as you've seen, can play manto man defense. Now I have an extra guy to go send to you.

[Chris Beam]

But there are two. To Kyle's point, there are two. Including the the return of demo. There are two linebackers in this depth draw that you cannot outrun. No sideline to sideline. It's demo and that's Marist. Okay, Shamar, maybe like, like spades. It's impossible. Maybe you can't outrun Shamar because he's a tackling machine with more reps. You can probably outrun Murray. You can outrun Sanborn. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Once you get for sure, it's not gonna be on the field.

[Chris Beam]

No, I'm just saying because you're like you do. You have linebackers that they can't.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, but with this defense you're playing how many linebackers?

[Chris Beam]

Two.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Big boy up front. You know what I'm saying?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Like, I still think you need to up your pass rush. I'm okay with death.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm okay. There's not a team, there's no team that's going to give up their number one pass. Nobody's giving up their number one pass rusher.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, you're probably right.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It's not unless you're going to pay. You're going to break the bank to go do it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Teams will give up their interior D line.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

All right, we've got to go here on talking Cowboys. We'll be back tomorrow. We're going to preview a little QB vision. The Cowboys offense against that upcoming defense in the Denver Broncos. That defense is nasty. Coming up, they lost one. They did. They certainly did. We'll talk about it tomorrow on Wednesday with the talking Cowboys crew. Patrick no see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from talking Cowboys, we'll see you tomorrow. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys football club.

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