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Cowboys, Go Cowboys.
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This is Talking Cowboys streaming live from the Dallas Cowboys world headquarters at the Star in Frisco.
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CD Lamb.
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Touchdown.
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It's on. Jake Ferguson.
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Prescott keeps it and he bangs it into the touchdown.
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And now your hosts, Isaiah standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans.
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Go, go Dallas Cowboy.
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It was a Vegas style beat down and Week 11 of the NFL season. 3316. The final score as the Cowboys take care of business. The new look defense lives up to the expectations and they take that defense from the Raiders that Isaiah, Stand back. All of last week on this show on talking Cowboys labeled as trash and took them out to the curb in Las Vegas. Final score 33 16. The Cowboys get their fourth win of the season. Happy victory to Tuesday Cowboys nation. This is Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle coffee company live from the Star in Frisco, Texas in the SWBC studios. Welcome in everybody. We've got Patrick no see Walker, we've got Isaiah. Stand back with Chris. Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Glad you're with us. Hi, Kyle. Welcome.
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Long time no see.
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But yeah, no, we saw each other like 6 hours ago post game coverage. I know Beamer and Patrick were just getting off the plane, fresh off of.
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Two hours of sleep. Yeah. But it's okay.
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Yeah.
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When you walk away with the victory.
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The dub, quite the dub. It's very impressive. Very impressive. And of course it started off with, you know, very emotional, emotional tribute to Marshawn Nealon. It was, it was beautiful. And I want to say a couple things real quick to that. Number one, the Cowboys having Marshon's jersey in his locker, having his jersey on the sideline, the T shirts honoring him, the helmet decals that they'll wear the rest of the year, all of that was just beautifully done. And I also want to give a shout out to the Las Vegas Raiders organization for their tribute. Not just with the moment of silence and, you know, the Jumbotron tribute and things like that, but their shirts, the 988 on the back and the call, the audible on the front. That was cool. That was just absolutely fantastic as far as mental health support and awareness goes. So, again, very heavy hearts to start the game, but they did exactly what they said they would do, The Cowboys. Did they say they were going to go out and honor Marshawn by playing relentless football? They were going to have high motors, high effort, and you saw it. So not only did you see execution, not only did you see scheme, but you also definitely saw guys flying around. Talk about a guy like Malik Hooker, for example, you know, fresh off of a IR stint, only had a couple practices under his belt out there like his hair was on fire. I mean, then you saw some of the. We're getting to it. You know, I'm working my way down. And you saw guys like Kaylin Carson. I'd be remiss if I didn't give Kaylin Carson his credit. He was. He was really good in coverage. He was excellent in tackling. And what did we say that Cowboys fans had a question mark about Kellen Carson? It was his tackling.
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Yep.
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Oh, he wanted the smoke last night. And it went down from there. Linebackers, the Mario Nova shown? Yes. Agent Zero made his return. He was flying around out there, looking good, young man. Looking good. And then that defensive line. And I'm going to say this name and I'm going to throw it to Isaiah, Quinn and Williams. Who? Quinn and Williams who? Quinnan William Williams.
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Did he have an impact on the game?
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The biggest of anyone. Literally. On the biggest.
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The largest of his career.
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That boy is good.
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Big extra plug reference. He the biggest.
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He's the largest. Everybody else seemingly played better because of him.
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Everybody. Kenny Clark played better, also played better. The defensive ends played better. Linebackers played better.
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Guys had more favorable matchups because of him across the board.
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This isn't just Koi Isaiah.
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I love this. This is flex Isaiah. Yeah, yeah.
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This you talking about the same Quinn Williams that had 18 pressure rate on his pass R. The same Quinn Williams that had one and a half sacks.
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Yeah.
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On 28 drop backs.
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Highest of the season.
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Interesting. James Houston got a sack, right?
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That's James Houston.
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Yeah, that's James.
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Davian Clowney was all over the place last night.
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Yeah, he played well.
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Interesting guys.
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Just Donovan got a safety as a.
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Rock who was all over the place. Maybe the team was just that bad, huh? Maybe they were just that bad.
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I mean they are.
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Yeah.
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I mean they're pretty bad.
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But we talked said that you can't move the goal post now. When we had already.
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We moved the go. That.
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That was already there.
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We already went Canada football moved the goalpost. Okay, so we did that already. We already let the people know.
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We told you that stopping that. You know they talking about.
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Listen, but we told you that their defense was dry. Ash. I told you that they were going to score 42. They didn't. Should have missed opportunity.
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Yeah.
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CD by the way, City owes us some water.
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Yeah, you owe us water.
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That was not CD that was dropped the pass.
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Listen, it wasn't a perfect pass.
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I know that pass is trash.
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If you're CD that boy was. That boy dropped back and threw that ball like it was a screenplay.
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Well, they both. Oh, so they both.
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Do they both. Yes.
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Fine.
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We can double ball touches your hands. As a receiver, you're supposed to bring it in.
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They got the bread. That's fine.
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But it was a rush past.
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Yeah, yeah.
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They both owe us.
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With no pressure.
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They got the bread. They can get us the buns.
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Yes. Unnecessary. Unnecessary. Screen played 5 yards down the field. But no, listen. Proud of what they did yesterday. I expected them to do exactly what they did. It was good to see offensively that us have a balanced attack. Yeah, it was good to see that. It was good to see the productivity between. Between C.D. lamb and George Pickens and Ferguson being a threat. Is that you or me? That's me being a threat in the. You know, he only had 16 yards receiving, but he had a touchdown. Like, you don't have to be dominant. You just have to be a threat. I think that what Shoddy did offensively in terms of the scheme, allow for everybody to win. I like that. Defensively. Yeah, I like that. I like those words defensively. You saw that. You saw what these guys are capable of. The. We saw 5, 5, 1. We saw 4, 3. Yeah, we saw a 4, 2, 5. We saw all the looks. We saw every single linebacker. If no C would have been labeled as a linebacker, he would have been in the game. Every linebacker that we had played. Yep. Every single one of them. And they all made contributions and they were put in situations to be successful based upon their abilities. We saw the big to begin the game. We saw Demo and Murray and Maris Leopold. And then we saw Logan Wilson get in there. We saw Shemar James get in there. We saw literally everybody and their mama who played Linebacker get into the rotation and their mama. And their mama. Defensive line was fresh. Linebackers were fresh. Yeah, this is what you want. I know a lot of people are like, rotation. Lots of rotation. Now, whether they were trying to see what these personnel groupings look like together or whether they were just keeping guys fresh, I think it was a combination of both. Either way, I can't imagine that anybody had more than 20 snaps in terms of. At the second level. They probably. They were all just rotating through. So it was good to see. I was good to see Revel. I was, like, pleasantly surprised by real. But I had no. I had zero expectations.
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Yeah, that's fair.
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I had zero expectations. We said it on air. He was solid.
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I. One penalty.
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He had the one penalty. But I take that penalty because that boy was in his pocket like lint.
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Oh, boy. Yeah.
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So I take that all day long. So I was highly impressed by him. I. I was unaware of his game.
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Shaq meme.
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Yeah. So I liked it. I liked it.
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So you talked about the snaps at the second level. I just pulled up the snap counts from last night. Would you like to take a guess on who played the majority of the snaps or the linebackers?
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Murray.
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Not Kenneth Murray. Kenneth Murray played 26% of. Or 26 snaps. 43% of the snaps.
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This is crazy.
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Would you. Would you like to take another guess?
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You're probably gonna say Demo.
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Demo was number two.
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No.
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Demo was number two.
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31.
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No.
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One more.
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This does not match.
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Yeah.
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Logan Wilson, the number one guess that number one and number two snap counts at the linebacker position were Logan Wilson 1, DeMarvi and Overshone 2. And Wilson had 34 snaps, and DeMarvi and Overshone had 31 snaps.
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Wow.
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So that's 57% for Logan Wilson and 52% for DeMarvi and Overshone of defensive snaps that they played in the game. Now, one thing I did notice upon rewatching this morning was Logan Wilson wearing the green dot. I. I anticipated him to wear the green dot at some point down the.
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Line because that week one, but the.
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First week with a team debut, that says a lot about what they do in trusting him.
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First off, you can tell he's a.
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Smart dude, and you could tell it definitely is something about his football IQ and what he was able to do coming in with a bye week to digest the playbook and to be able to. And a lot of that is regurgitating the play call, but you got to know the play call in order to do it.
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He was here for two weeks Pretty impressive. He was here for two weeks.
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I mean, and he passed the test for me. Was he perfect? No. But nobody was perfect. And it's still one of those things that you want to take one game.
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At a time and it should only get better.
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Exactly. And I think your level of competition goes up this week. So you're going to get another really good test and a really good benchmark this week as to where you should be with this new look defense against the Philadelphia Eagles. But you can only play who's in front of you, and you can only check the box that you are currently working on. And they checked that box yesterday for me. And that's why I don't like the people talking about, oh, it was the two and seven Raiders. I get it.
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Yeah. That's who.
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I understand. I've already talked about it. But that's who's on the schedule now. You get to turn things around and make things happen. You got to get the paper.
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Get the paper. Listen, I remember sitting here talking about if you were to add a dominant interior defensive lineman alongside Kenny Clark, also Digizua, what that would then force teams to do. I said that it would discourage teams from running the ball. It would just discourage teams running the ball straight downhill. And they would have to do what? Try to attack the edges. They have to try to outflank you. Right. And then your linebackers are too fast to be outflanked. What did you see the Raiders try to do yesterday?
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They tried to attack the edges.
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They had no choice but to try to attack the edges. And then when they couldn't do that, they started trying to throw the ball out to the edges. Right. They started throwing it out in swing routes. They started throwing it out on little nice little things along the line of scrimmage, but adjacent to the snap of the wall. And you couldn't because the guys were too fast. And even when there was a bunch of space, you're like, oh, crap, there's too much space. And he doom. Oh, okay. Yeah, there's multiple guys hidden hitting you. I loved everything about that. That is what you want to do. You made these guys abandon the run. If you can make teams abandon the run, it's a lot easier to play.
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Defense, I tell you. And keeping to the defensive side of the ball, trust me, ladies and gentlemen, we will get to offense. But I'm so impressed with what the defense was able to put together against the Las Vegas Raiders. I'm just going to go ahead and hold this up.
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Yeah, just hold it like Felt.
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Let me hold this a little bit higher.
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Yeah, there you go.
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Right.
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There you go. I need the smiley face in there.
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For the audio only. Cow or Isaiah. Cool. You read this please.
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This take does not imply that the.
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Cowboys will win the Super Bowl. Thank you very smiley face.
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Thank you very much.
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This def like a kindergarten class.
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Yeah. This defense looks the look the best at of at any point this season. Now, they had at least one good game against the jets. Five sacks. But it just. It wasn't like this. I mean the pressure up the middle was almost instantaneous.
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From where was it coming from?
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Up the middle. Quinn, Kenny, those guys were getting after it OSA the ends and then it kind of worked itself back. Now what I want to point out mentioned this earlier, but I would be remiss if I didn't draw a gold circle around Kaylin Carson. Kaylin Carson. So now suddenly we have a situation where you're going to have a very fun competition at cornerback because Sone Revel is back and he played, I think with 19 snaps. And on those 19 snaps, Sone Revel was targeted on. He was targeted twice. Only one reception. Okay. Do you know who had the most defensive snaps of the entire Cowboys roster?
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Jerome Blair.
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No. Kaylin Carson. He was the only one who played 100% of the snaps. 60 snaps. I think Kair Elam is going to ride that binge. But my point being as Savone Revel gets ramped up more and more, now it's Revel versus Kaylin Carson.
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Right.
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And then a lot of ready Stewart was out there.
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Was out there as well in the nickel. And then what you want to see is. Okay, well, Kayla Carson. Yeah, no, see, he's getting all these. These reps. Now what is he doing with them? Well, I'll tell you what he's doing with them. Okay. He allowed only four receptions for a total of 55 yards. 12.2%.
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Yep.
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Target percentage.
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Yeah.
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Is that good? Seems good. Okay. Not only was his coverage stout, but again his tackling, his willingness, his ability to to in the open field to guys to not allow them to get the missed tackle plus the yak after the catch.
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Yep.
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Kaylin Carson looked every bit the the part of seatbelt. Now we will see if he can stack days like this against better we. Yeah. Against better opponents. We will see. Here comes Devonte smith. Here comes A.J. brown. Now, we're not going to say that they're world beaters in the air. However, they are dogs. They are animals.
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Then you got Rasheed Rice. Then you got yeah. Kelsey Monroe, St. Brown star.
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It's a good, good foundation, a good base. Shout out Kaylin Carson to build on.
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Especially shout out to Duron Bland.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah.
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In the assignment that he had.
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Yeah.
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Big bounce back for him, too.
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Yeah, Huge bounce back. It was great to see that response. He got torched in Tostito the week before, but with the sign of a competitor is how you respond. Yep. Right. And he came back and he handled Brock Bowers. Brock Bowers is a freaking dude. He's a freaking dude. He still got some. He still got his yardage and he did all that, but he's a freaking dude. And Duron Bland was in his hip pocket and had him flustered and frustrated.
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He did.
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You can go back and look at the TV copy. Bowers was like, like, dude, get this dude out of here. Like, can you please get him out of my hip, please?
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He did. And to put numbers to that. And of course, Duron Bland wasn't only assigned to Brock, but overall, Duron Bland was targeted 11 times. He allowed only five receptions on those 11 targets. No chunk plays, total of 50 yards allowed, no touchdowns, 23.4% target percentage. So he played exceptional as well.
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And last Friday, whenever we did the over under segment, the over under for Brock Bowers was at 70 and a half. He got 72. So congratulations, Isaiah, you got that one.
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Wait, did he got a.
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Barely.
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Did CD and George both score touchdowns?
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They did.
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First time. They did.
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Who could have said such a thing?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Good call, sir.
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Yeah. So we'll. We'll get to the other. On the other side of this break because I know Kyle is going to want to do that right now. So we'll get to the offense.
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Yeah, let's get to that. That first break. We'll talk about the offense, then we'll flip it to the defensive side because I know you guys want to talk about the defense. Yeah, I know you want to talk more about the defense, but the offense played quite well as well in the 3316 win over the Las Vegas Raiders. More talking cowboys right after this.
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Oh, I watched.
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Been seeing some good things. Totally. They have some talent.
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Yup.
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Not a triple like you.
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I mean, that's a triple. That's a triple espresso.
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Come on, family.
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Big week ahead. And I did, I did see some text and some tweets from the family this week and everybody was really excited about it all. I even saw one. Somebody was commenting about Isaiah. Like, they really enjoy Isaiah's work across the board. We do. We really appreciate it at all the kind words.
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Listen, we always try to make sure that you guys are the smartest ones in the room.
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And to that point, shout out to the. Shouts out to the family who. Who were present at allegiant and showed up. Yeah, they made themselves known. They said what's up to Tommy and oh, cool. Josh and myself. So. Shouts out to the family. Talking cowboys worldwide.
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That's awesome. We love you guys and we do a lot of homework. I just, I hope, you know, like, there's a lot of late nights and Patrick's running on two hours of sleep and he's been watching.
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He's really pretending hard.
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Yeah, I woke up, I was watching the game this morning, like, trying to stay awake. And that's why I've got the triple shot of espresso.
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Like, check this out. And to that point, if we're ever saying that somebody is trash, they're probably trash. We're ever saying that. You didn't think that was going that way. Listen, like, they're probably trash, right? Like, when the Broncos week was here, we told you that defense was. Was nasty. We're not. We're not gaslighting. We're not trying to like, make you feel better. Like, we're giving you guys the real. We can't. I can't speak about some of the other podcasts, but I tell you what I hear on Talking Cowboys, you guys are going to get informed, really, really detailed information that you can then go and be the smartest ones in the room and educate somebody else. Because that's what we want to do. We want to spread this information.
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Spread it.
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I like this from George in the chat. And there's a lot of newcomers in the chat, by the way, on YouTube. This is where a lot of the fun happens because Twitter is down today. So welcome to the YouTube chat. He said the new season starts today. And I like the way that's phrased.
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Okay.
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I like this conversation because it is. It's a new season from here on out. It's a season where you can't just go 500.
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No.
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Down the stretch.
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No.
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You're going to have to win 70 or 80% of your games down the stretch. And you're doing it against the Eagles, the Chiefs, the Lions, the Vikings, the Chargers, the Commanders and the Giants.
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So you're saying there's a chance.
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There is a chance. But my God, you got to get going now. And so I do. I like that. The new season starts now and you've got the one out of the way. You got your freebie win there. Now it's. It's gauntlet from here on out.
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Not just, not just the gauntlet, but what we pointed out last week is it's the way it lays out on the calendar. So you're going, you're coming off of Monday Night Football. You don't, you don't have time to. I asked CD About QB Vision tomorrow about the Eagles. I asked CD Lamb after the game yesterday. I said normally you guys have 24 hours to kind of enjoy a win or to kind of work through a loss. And then you got to turn the page. How quickly are you going to turn the page? He said, we're already turned. Yeah, we're already onto the Eagles. You got a short week from Monday night to Sunday and then from Sunday.
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To Thanksgiving, then from Thursday to Thursday. Thursday get a little bit of a bye week, like a mini buy week.
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Three games.
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Three games, 12 days.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You're gonna earn that mini buy.
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Yeah.
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And you gotta come out of that clean. And I don't just mean injury wise. I mean, you got to come out of there probably 3, 0.
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Yeah. You gotta win all three.
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You got to get 3, 0.
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And there's a chance that you can.
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I agree.
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There's a real chance that you get.
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So that brings me to the next point here. And we talked a little bit about the defense. We'll go back to them in the next segment. But on the offensive side of the football, did they do enough yesterday to show that those last two games were a fluke? That the offense, and there's a reason why I ask it that way, did they show enough for your confidence level to return entirely? That this team in this offense is back to the elite status that they were showing prior to the game in Denver?
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That's, that's a week to week thing for me.
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Okay.
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Based upon your opponent. It really, really depends on your opponent because the thing is like you can't just look at teams say, okay, well this team beat this team or this team lost to this team. So that means that we're going to do this. It's all about matchups. Week to week is about matchups. That's why my analysis changes from week to week. The Dallas Cowboys versus the Raiders are a completely different matchup than Cadalla's Cowboys versus the Philadelphia Eagles. Right. What do you have to do in order to beat the Eagles? I know we'll start talking about them tomorrow, but, but you got to outscore them. Kevin Patullo's offensive coordinator, right now they're, they're, they're not doing well. Okay. It doesn't mean that the players are trash. The players are amazing, but he's not putting his players in position to be successful. So you're gonna have to outscore those guys. The Raiders, you were able to execute and dominate every aspect of the game. They had good players. They had two dominant players on offense and one dominant player on defense. That's it. That's all you had to be concerned about with them. So you weren't that concerned. Right. It was. Should have been relatively easy to dominate and they did. That's not the case this coming week.
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Week.
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You know the matchups are going to be tougher. Your one on one matchups, you know, as we saw last night, your one on one matchups, you were able to dominate those. Now your one on one matchups are going to be real across the board. Right? All the way across the board on both sides of the ball. So that it, it. Even though you're playing in NFL, you would think they would be the same from week to week. It's not. It's just not. They're all professionals. They're all really good players. The best in the world. Some teams just have better players than others.
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Yeah.
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And that's what you're about to face, so we'll get into that. But I was confident, I knew that there was going to be a get right game for them on both sides of the ball. I was excited to see all the additions. You had two brand new players. You had two guys coming off of injury that you hadn't seen all season long, one of them being a rookie. And then you had two other guys that were coming off of, off of injury.
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Right.
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And Emily Cooker and, and Donald, I believe. Right. So you have those guys showing back up. So you had a lot of brand new on the defensive side of the ball. And then offensively, you're just trying to get back into the saddle. Running the ball. Yes. You check that box. Passing the ball. Yes. You check that box. Did you two receivers. Yes, Ferguson. But you got him in the red zone. Right. So like, there's, there's still things that are unchecked that you have to make sure that you get that, you know, pencil it all the way in. Don't, don't pencil it in halfway, and then submit your, your test.
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Offensive line. I, I, I still thought the offensive line was spotty at times yesterday.
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Yeah, I mean, you're pass pro.
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They were rushing attack. They were moving guys.
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Even then, if they were really moving guys, I think you would have seen more from Javante Williams, who was running the ball exceptionally well.
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Yeah, he didn't run into ramps. It wasn't perfect.
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But behind the line of scrimmage, he had to shake off a tackle.
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Let me, let me qualify that comment. It was much more. They, they opened many more lanes than they did in the two previous outings.
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Which I agree with completely, but I still want to see more.
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But you have to take into account who they were blocking the opponent. Right? So like, so you take it with a grain of sight. I don't, I don't take it away. Max Crosby, I don't take it away. But yeah, Max Crosby is a freaking dog. Right. And he was a dog. Yes. But he's one of those, he's one of those top three. He's one of those top three top four guys that you just have to be like, that is what that is sometimes. You know what I'm saying?
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Like, he's gonna get, he's gonna get.
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His, him, you know, Miles Garrett, you know, Micah, you know, obviously there's a handful of dudes that you just would be like, yeah, sorry. Yeah, you know what I'm Saying we did our best.
D
Yeah.
C
Yeah. So, yeah, that's that. So I, I like the direction that they're heading. I still think that they have to find a way to get Ferguson going. Yeah. Like for them to be the office that they want to be, they have to find a way to get Fergie get.
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You're talking multiple rich.
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I'm talking about 60 or 50 plus 50 yards. Yeah. Ferg needs plus 50 yards. He has to be a threat in the middle of the field. You cannot continue to rely upon on George pickens being your 18 yard in route guy in the backside of the play. You can't rely on CD Lamb being your over route runner. You saw that early in the game when the safety cut on his over route and they simply just walled him off. Right. So people are starting to see the concepts that Dallas is running and they're starting to try to predict some of them and they're being successful on some of them. But you have to get Ferguson going. You have to be able to line up and say, hey, you want to take those guys away? All right, this dude can beat you. And we're not there.
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So I agree with Isaiah in that it's a week to week answer for me because of who they went against versus who they're going to go up against. And on a short week, no less, and on another short week after that, even shorter week, I will say the only thing I disagree with with Isaiah, everything else, I'm. I'm right there with you. I do need Jake Ferguson to be more involved or get more involved or I should say I need them to get Jake Ferguson more involved because he is mentally involved.
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Correct.
D
I mean, I saw him out there on at least one occasion. He. I think he put a guy through the, through the earth guys somewhere in China right now. Just nasty, nasty work. But that being said, my counterpoint is you got to take what the defense is giving.
C
Oh, for sure.
D
So. And that being said, last night the Raiders were not necessarily giving them Jake Ferguson underneath. They were giving them George Pickens. They were giving them CD Lamb. And I give versus take. I'll say the couples were taking. So CD Lamb was taking on his routes and George Pickens was taking on his routes.
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George Pickens was so much fun to watch.
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And then the collecting ankles like bottle caps and the, the Yak yardage. I mean, what do we have from next gen stats? Pickens now owns two of the top 10 Yak performances by wide receivers in 2025. After last night, he had 85 in Week 6 against the packers, four his tackles. But last night, nine. Nine catches on 11 targets, 144 total yards with the tutty. So when that's happening, for sure. And then you see CD Lamb, he gets his touchdown. But CD Lamb also had some key possession catches that kept the chains moving. Or I should say that move the chains. When that's happening, you let those two guys.
C
No, let me. Let me put a little context into it.
D
Yeah. Come on, Jake.
C
Jake Ferguson had two really good games in the first three games of the season. Okay. Week two against the Giants, he has 78 yards, no touchdowns. Bears that, which was the following week. He had 82 yards, no touchdowns. He's been getting touchdowns, obviously, since then. He's been your touchdown, your red zone guy, but he's averaging 6.7 yards per reception, including those two games.
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Yeah, he's you.
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He has to be a threat in the middle.
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You know what I mean?
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That's what I'm saying. Like, I'm not saying that he's being unproductive. What I'm saying is he has to be more of a threat. He has to be able to demand the middle of the field. I'm not saying that you're not getting there.
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You are getting there with your receivers.
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But you need to be able to run your receivers on their outside routes and let your tight end work. And he's capable of doing it. So I'm saying you're leaving a lot on the table by only getting it. Getting Jake, four receptions for 16 yards last week, Cardinals five for 50. You know that was one of his better games, right? Commanders 7 for 29, 3 for 33, 7 for 49, 7 for 40. Like, you know me.
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Like, yeah, he's.
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He's only had two games over 50, over 50 yards.
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Is it possible that you're telling me all this and he's capable of doing so? Is it possible? And we've been critical of past play callers for going too early into their bag too often or early in the season. If he's capable and they've shown it and he's still making an impact for now on the offensive side, and there's really only two games or maybe three games where you haven't had the offensive performance, sleeping, is it possible that it's just a matter of time?
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That's why I have.
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Is that what you're hitting?
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That's literally why I had my hand raised.
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I don't want to say that they're sandbagging Jake Ferguson because he's still Being productive. He has seven touchdowns. I mean, that's really a great season for sure. However, I agree with you. I don't think we've seen the ceiling yet from what he can bring to the table. But there's also a lot of football to go around, or not a lot of football to go around. There's only one per play that you can pass to somebody, and you got all these other guys that have to eat. So is it possible that it just hasn't been unlocked yet before we go to.
C
Yes. I. I say this with a sense of urgency, understanding the defensive coordinators that we're about to face.
D
That. That's fair.
B
Okay. I'm gonna take what the defense gives you, though, right?
C
You take what the defense gives you, but these defensive coordination, you guys well know.
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Absolutely.
C
Okay. As you look at the schedule. All right. The defensive coordinators that we're about to face. All right, obviously, you got. You got your man, Mr. What we're about to face. What's his name? Vic Fangio. Okay. And then we have spags. Yeah. Right. And you got who else? I can't blanking on the names right now.
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Well, you're thinking Detroit, and Detroit has two new.
C
Yes, but I'm thinking of Vikings, though.
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Oh, yeah.
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Brian Flores, Floral b flow. So three of those 4D coordinators, they're going to get after you.
D
Yeah.
C
And I don't want to see Ferg just be being negated to a blocker, you know what I'm saying?
D
Like, the way.
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The way in which you could hurt a lot of defenses when they're blitzing and getting after you is working the middle of the field.
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I think Kelvin shepherd is the Lions.
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Yeah. He's not as aggressive as these other.
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Three, but I think we're all on the same page, just saying it different ways, because I'm with both of you in different capacities. And the reason I had my hand raised was for the point that Kyle made, which is basically, this is an offense that when. When it's being called the right way in a way that's explosive by shotty. You know, on any given week, you'll see a different one or two guys show out. So I think that this. Not even. I think this works in the Cowboys favor, because what you're going to have now is teams trying harder to stop George Pickens and CD Lamb. And there's only so much you can do there because you can't dou both to shade coverage one way or the other. But as they try to do that, because I. I think the Eagles are now they're looking at George Pickens especially and they're seeing CD Lamb and they're like man we got to sell out to stop these guys. And then guess who Jake Ferguson. Berg that's what I'm saying because Javante is also going to get his from the running back position shouts out to Javontan pass pro as well. He j will he brings his big.
C
Boy also I know we're going to break you got the O line. Ferguson is going to have their hands full over these.
D
Oh I agree.
C
Next couple games even even more of.
D
A reason that you would think that Ferguson's production is going to be an uptick because if Dak has few or less time to throw more check down happens.
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Carter and Jones coming up.
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Coming up. I do want to put this stat out here. This is courtesy of the Dallas Cowboys public relations public relations department that does a great job with these post game notes. I didn't see this stat until just now. 2025. Pickens has 908, seven receiving touchdowns. He's just the fourth player in franchise history with at least 900 receiving yards and seven touchdown catches through 10 games in a season.
D
Where'd he go to school?
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He's, he's a former Georgia Bulldog.
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Go Dogs.
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These three names are really, really good names to be with. How about Bullet Bob Hayes? Oh, we one of them. 1966 favorites of all time. Michael Irvin, the playmaker. My favorite 1995 sounds familiar. And then the third one is to Terrell Owens 2007.
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He's pretty good.
C
He's a pretty good player.
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Pretty good player. So pretty good company to be across the board with in Cowboys franchise history. For George Pickens, it's been so much fun watching him play. All right, when we come back, we've got smelly stickers to hand out. It is a win for the Cowboys. We're going to scratch and sniff. Talk about our players of the game when we come back. Back here on Talking Cowboys More right after this.
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C
Is it?
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It's gonna be tough.
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You guys know. Don't you ever. Don't you dare.
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Don't you dare.
D
Don't I dare? I kind of want to go first.
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I'm going first.
C
Give me.
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Just to throw him a.
C
Just to throw him a wrench.
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Just. Just to mess with him a little bit, because I know exactly where he's going. I just want to see.
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Yeah. Where it would be.
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Oh, these are all new. Look at this one. This is a cosmic brownie. That's awesome. These are the new stickers that were sent our way a couple weeks back. Really, really cool stickers, and they're all, like, super random. So this will be fun to talk about. You guys got one yet?
D
I'm looking, man.
C
No.
B
Come on, guys. We gotta have one ready to go.
C
You just threw it on our laps.
D
Yeah.
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I mean. Yeah, you're right. I'm sorry. I had to run up there in the middle of the.
C
The br.
D
We're used to the other stickers. Let's see.
C
Here we go. I got mine.
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All right. Go for it.
D
I got one.
C
All right. Well, you guys see this right here? Drumsticks.
D
Yeah.
B
I was about to say. What is that?
C
Drumsticks. You can see one drumstick in the front. Huh. Can't really see the other drumstick that well, you know, so you kind of can see half of it. So it looks like one and A half drumsticks for one and a half sacks by Quinn and Williams. That's right. Five hits on the qb. Oh, he hit him five times. Yeah. One tfl, huh? Everybody got better. I love Quinn and Williams.
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I'm glad that he's here. You know what I'm saying?
C
Half drumsticks. Okay.
B
One and a half drumsticks. Right corner, Williams. First game, getting it done.
C
Boy, that guy was eating.
B
Yeah, he was. Yeah, he definitely.
D
Damn good.
C
He was eating some drumsticks.
B
All right, I've got this one right here. I talked about these being random. These are super random. This is a box of chicken nuggets. And the. The title on the box says nugs, not drugs. That's what it says.
D
Okay.
B
And there are four chicken nuggets in here. Four of them things. They're all nice and fried and crisp. Four chicken nuggets. It looks like it's like a half eaten pack or whatever. But since there's four in there, that's how many passing touchdowns that Dak Prescott had to four different receivers. So I'm going to give it to the passing attack. I'm going to say that they were effective. They were throwing it around. It wasn't just one guy eating. It was CD Lamb. Then it was George Picking, Going Pickens going for a buck 44. Then it was Ryan Flournoy in the red zone. Then it was Jake Ferguson in the red zone. 4 ties for Dak Prescott. The passing game just about as nice and savory as a little bit of chicken nuggets. Nugs, not drugs, baby.
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There you go. What would you have picked?
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Picked.
C
If he would have completed that last.
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Pass, then I would have had to find something else.
D
He's eating Whataburger.
C
Oh, yeah.
B
It would have been. We would have had a burger or something.
D
I can see that. You owe us some honey butter biscuits from Whataburger. That's true. You do.
C
That's true.
D
All right. My. I got a smelly sticker. I'm gonna give it to Melvin in the chat. No, I'm kidding.
B
Welcome back.
D
Welcome back. Melvin. Told y' all we didn't block Melvin. He was just on pto. Oh, let's see. I'm going with Sunny side up. Who on earth am I giving a Sunny side up egg?
C
You like your eggs like that on a burger?
D
Only on a burger. This is going to. It's good stuff. Not just Quinn, not just Kenny, not just osa, not just Eazy, not just Logan, not just Demo, not just Kalen, not just Savone. Not just Daron, not just Malik, not just Marquis Canine with the PBU that created the entire defense. It's been some dark days this year for you guys. Some dark days. But things are looking sunny side up.
C
Hey.
D
They'Re looking sunny side up at the moment. Now keep in mind, as I hope. Yeah, hey, as I hope to sign.
B
Up, it's a whole nother side here you could disrespect.
D
I just want everybody to understand that. Yes, it was the Raiders that they were up against, but considering that the Cowboys have also struggled against bad teams. Took them to over took them overtime to beat the New York Giants. They got tore to shreds by the Cardinals on their own field and so on. Seeing this defense do what they did last night against anyone is progress. Seen it as a. An accessory of what Quinn and Williams was able to do in his debut. Oh, first game out.
C
What?
D
How, what, what? How can you not not see this defense as on a promising track now? Does that mean it'll be fixed this season? And you know, you won't seem to replicate this. You absolutely do. But when you look a little bit beyond this season. Oh, man.
C
No, it really. I'm not looking beyond this week, buddy.
D
Don't do it then.
C
I'm not.
D
I'm just saying for now and for later. This might be very exciting for the defense.
C
See what you did there? One of the best candies ever.
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There you go, Cowboys.
D
But you got to say it the right way. How you say it now and later. No, you from the Pacific Northwest. That's how you say now.
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Later. Now.
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That's the sign.
C
Later.
D
Nah, later.
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Like you're annihilating, but you're annihilator.
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I went to George Washington University.
D
Yeah, but you're in the south now, buddy. You're in the south now, buddy. It's not later.
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Cowboys. Eagles coming up on Sunday like we said.
C
It is.
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Yes, it is a short week. So we get right into QB vision and a Cowboys preview on the offensive side versus that Eagles defense. The Eagles defense looks nasty. That Eagles defense is tremendous and their offense hasn't been playing at a super high level, but their defense is really.
C
We'll talk about it.
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So we'll talk about that tomorrow. We should have Josh Rodriguez back tomorrow as well. He's enjoying his time in Las Vegas and one final day in the sin city and then he'll be back tomorrow. We'll be here for the rest of the week. That does it for us here on Talking Cowboys. Again, a victory Tuesday for Dallas with a Monday Night Football win over the Las Vegas Raiders 33 16. The final score. Special thanks to all those who have tuned in today for Patrick no see Walker, Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back back. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long Cowboys Nation. Thanks for watching. Talk to Cowboys. We'll see you tomorrow. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
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