Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (1:59)

Right at the moment.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (2:01)

However, I think they, they might have gotten the mind flare out of here.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (2:05)

Oh, is that correct? I mean, I hate comparing to the mind flayer. Let me be very clear. He was never that powerful. One and two.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (2:17)

So would you call him. Was it just a Demogorgon?

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (2:19)

Yeah. Whatever it is. Yeah, I'm, I'm.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (2:23)

He was a little bit worse than the demogorgon.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (2:24)

Yeah, he was.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (2:25)

He was a little bit more performance wise. Let's look. I don't want to.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (2:28)

A little less effective, but not by much.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (2:30)

Okay. So that leads us right into the breaking news.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (2:34)

Breaking news.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (2:34)

First of all, for once.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (2:38)

Cowboys happened before the show.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (2:40)

Yeah.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (2:40)

Cowboys delivered some breaking news before talking.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (2:42)

Cowboys got what happened.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (2:44)

Yeah. So Matt Eber FL was fired.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (2:47)

Thought that was a rumor, period.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (2:49)

No, it's not confirmed.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (2:50)

It's absolutely confirmed in official.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (2:52)

If you've checked on Dallas cowboys dot com.

Julian Edelman (Guest or Advertiser) (2:55)

Exactly.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (2:56)

Or even just checked your push notifications that my good friend Josh here sent out after the breaking news article.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (3:01)

You didn't push it real good.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (3:02)

You got to turn your notifications on, brother.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (3:04)

Yeah, I'm not a big notifications guy.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (3:06)

Yeah.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (3:07)

So, yeah, Cowboys took all of two days following their disappointing 79 and one finish, which included another embarrassing defensive outing against the Giants, to get there.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (3:19)

I thought it was going to take 10 to 12 days to review everything.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (3:20)

It was never going to take 10 to 12 days.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (3:22)

I took that days until they find a new defensive coordinator.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (3:25)

Maybe you had about 18 weeks to figure that one out.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (3:28)

But no, he's saying that because I saw that kind of circulating on Twitter and I. I tried to debunk it yesterday because a couple of followers were like, hey, no, see can. You know, is this timeline true? I was like, ah, that's not a thing coach.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (3:39)

Coach did say there. He's gonna. It's gonna take about 10, 12 days of reviews.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (3:42)

That was never thing.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (3:44)

Yeah, that was.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (3:45)

They were trying to get through their exit interviews with players, and then once they got through the exit interviews with players yesterday, they were going to immediately turn their eyes toward the coaching staff to start making decisions. And obviously the most prominent decision needed to be made was on Matty Berfluse. Hence the news landing this morning that Matt a flu is out and the coaching search can begin. But they're not quite done, I'm told. So when you heard Jerry Jones saying things like, you know, the defensive failings were quote, unquote, not all on Eber Floose, that was a glaring implication that he's going to review the entirety of the defensive coaching staff to see who stays and who goes. What will be interesting is the timeline in which those decisions are made, because now I'm going to go to my analyst hat. So that's the news portion of it. My analyst hat is as you're sifting through some of these front runners for potential replacements for Matt Eber fl. I'm curious how the Cowboys choose to handle it. Do you go ahead and clean house on the defensive side of the ball so that you can look at the new defensive coordinator or these candidates and say you can come in and. And build completely as Eber Flutes did? Or I need you to keep one. Or I need you to keep one. I'm. I'm. I'm. Come on with it.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (4:57)

You want me to go ahead and.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (4:58)

Say what I'm going to say?

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (4:58)

Go ahead and say what you're some.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (4:59)

Of the person that I would like for you?

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (5:01)

Yes.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (5:01)

Is it along the defensive line, Buddy.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (5:03)

I would like for you to retain Aaron White.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (5:05)

White Cotton.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (5:06)

Yep.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (5:06)

Okay.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (5:06)

We're on the same page. Gotcha. So outside of that, when I say clean house, it doesn't necessarily mean throwing the baby out with the bathwater. And I think firing Aaron White cotton would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. But we've talked about it on several occasions here on the show. There are other position coaches that absolutely have to be a part of that discussion. We talk about the lack of development with the linebackers core. For example. We know that the cornerbacks were ravaged by injury. However, there was still lack of development there. Ready Stewart notwithstanding. So their position position coaches on the defensive side of the ball that are going to be under heavy scrutiny over these next several days.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (5:40)

And your most valuable acquisition that you picked up on your roster this year plays what position?

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (5:44)

Defensive tackle.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (5:45)

Yes.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (5:45)

Got you. And he. I don't say mainly, but I would say a big reason why you sought him after him was because of who Aaron got you.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (5:53)

Yeah, yeah.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (5:54)

As is the James Houston acquisition. Right? As was, you know, pushing. Well, once they decided they were going to trade Micah, trying to include. Initially trying to include Quinn and Williams because that was the initial try for Michael Parsons. They called the Jets.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (6:07)

They wanted him from the beginning.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (6:08)

Yeah, we wanted Quinn and Williams who was sending Michael Parsons at the time. The jets were like, no, it's not going to happen. So Kenny Clark comes here and then fortuitous as it might turn out, the jets were open for season, open season, I should say, for Corner Williams and the Cowboys mid season. So it worked out in Cowboys favorite also. Yeah.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (6:25)

Fortuitous to David Clowney also.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (6:27)

So. Yeah.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (6:30)

Wow.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (6:31)

Yeah, wow.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (6:32)

That's very nicely done. That might be the best pun we've had all year. And it's crazy.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (6:39)

Filthy work.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (6:39)

All 20, 26.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (6:40)

Filthy work, all of it, Kyle. Yeah, had to get it.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (6:43)

Well done, dude.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (6:44)

So Matt er FL is out and everyone else is under roof.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (6:47)

It's going to do it for us here on top. Joined us today.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (6:52)

It's all downhill from there. So, yeah, fourth defensive coordinator on the way in as many seasons.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (6:57)

That's crazy to me to think about. And I think it was the right decision. We had this conversation before the adjustments that you anticipated from a guy like Matt Eberfluz who has been around the league, who has skins on the wall, who has obviously had a reputation around the NFL. You anticipate some level of adjustment as the season goes on. That's where I feel like he faltered.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (7:20)

Absolutely.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (7:20)

Because we've talked about the personnel. The personnel is not good. And if you're sitting at home as a Cowboys fan and you're watching this defense and you think this personnel is good enough, that just with one defensive coordinator and a new staff, they're going to be up and ready to go for 2026. You got another thing coming because they got to make some significant changes in the personnel element as well. But the one thing from Matt Eberfluz's standpoint is when he came in, saw what he had in training camp, saw, thought he would have a guy named Micah Parsons outside, and then said, don't worry, we're going to move on from Micah Parsons, but I can scheme up pressure. And then through 17 games of NFL football, you failed to scheme up pressure for the most part. I know there were a couple of games where they had pressure, but you failed to scheme up pressure. The secondary faltered because of it. The linebackers faltered because of it. Your defensive tackles, you traded for two dogs on the inside, and you arguably have two. Two defensive tackles that would be in the top 10 or 15 at the position in the NFL. That was the one strength of your defense. But you still couldn't adjust to make any sort of leeway. That's my lasting influence or impression of what Matt Eberflus was here on this Cowboys roster, because I think Ibrahoos is a great person. I think he's a good man. I think he's a solid coach. But a coach needs to make adjustments, and in 2025, he did not do that.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (8:46)

And that lack of adjustments extends to the fact that he was too rigid in scheme over personnel. So he's very clearly a guy that says, my scheme, my scheme, my scheme doesn't matter what the personnel is. That doesn't work at the NFL level. I. And I said this to Tom Yaris before the show. I said it might be a situation where he needs to take his talents to the collegiate ranks where you can recruit for your scheme, but you have to be able at the NFL level to go into a situation and say, this is who you got. This is what I'm going to do based on who you got.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (9:19)

These are the cards of dealt, and this is the. The scheme that is going to best suit that personnel. Uh, there's a great tweet by Nick Harris when he was speaking to Dante Fowler yesterday about Eberfluss and the scheme. And I really like this quote from Dante Fowler. We got the guys, we just need to put them in the best position. To make plays. That's it. I don't care how good you think your scheme is. You just got to evolve around your players, take your players opinions on some things and try to put your players in the best position to make plays.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (9:45)

Wow.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (9:46)

That's from Dante Fowler.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (9:48)

Yeah. It's almost like some guys have been.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (9:50)

Saying that, but I still don't think we have the guys though.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (9:53)

Yeah. And I think he was dealt a bad hand. Sure. In all of this too because he expected to have Michael Parsons on his team. And granted that didn't happen. The decision was made unanimously. They said so. I mean that's. That's what was reported. That's what they said. Sure. So I'll leave it there. But obviously that's going to hinder what you're able to do as far as pressure goes, as far as scheming of pressure goes when you don't have an all pro pass rusher like Michael Parsons. And granted, I think it ultimately it's going to be for the best because of the players that you're going to get. I mean, like we talked about, you get two ones. Quinn Williams and Kenny Clark. I think that's an excellent trade in. In. In my opinion. But it's.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (10:37)

Well now it would be one. One Kenny Clark and Quinn and Williams.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (10:40)

That's true.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (10:41)

But still that's three guys that you would argue are going to make a magnificent impact on your defense for years to come.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (10:48)

And it's not all going to one player. You can spread it around a little bit, which I think ultimately is going to be fortuitous for us. But you have to have the right scheme like we're talking about and you have to put your players in the best position. We talked about safety, that position all year long and how they were not set up for success the entire year. When you look at the players that these guys are and l putting them out of position all year long, that is the problem for me.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (11:13)

Yeah.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (11:13)

Coy Isaiah is not going to fly here today.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (11:15)

Sir.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (11:17)

I listen, I've spoken on this all year long.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (11:19)

Yeah. What have we not said about this?

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (11:21)

I mentioned it early in the season that they don't have the guys that fit Matt A scheme. I mentioned that what he was doing was. The lack of adjusting to the. To the talent that you have on a roster. Mention that. We mentioned the lack of execution on basic schemes that he was trying to initiate because the guys on the field just weren't able to do it. Simple stuff. So that was not all Eber Flutes. This is not All Eber flutes. This.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (11:58)

No.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (11:58)

Eber flu is responsible because it's his unit.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (12:01)

Yeah.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (12:01)

This is not all Eberfluz to the point that we're talking about. There will be. There will be roster changes.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (12:07)

Yeah.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (12:07)

And you have to adapt your roster to the scheme that your coordinator is bringing in. I don't care who you are. I mentioned it early on. These are Dan Quinn guys in a Matt Eberflu system. Doesn't work that way. You can't ask safeties just because by position they're supposed to possess certain capabilities. You can't ask them to do things that traditional safeties would do if that's not what they can. If that's not in their.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (12:37)

In their.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (12:37)

In their wheelhouse.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (12:38)

Yeah.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (12:40)

You don't. You didn't have corners that felt comfortable playing a lot of zone. You had press man corners. You're asking them to play soft now.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (12:47)

Yeah.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (12:47)

Can they do it? Yeah. Are they going to do it to the level that they need to? No. You didn't have pass rushers. You know, you had two gap guys.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (12:55)

Yeah.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (12:56)

These are all things that were indicative of not working for that scheme. So, I mean, it's not an all flu thing. It's unfortunate that he is no longer with the Cowboys. He's a great human being, great father, all those things. Great person. But it was a combination of lack of adaptation by him and a lack of execution by the players. And ultimately it resulted in him not no longer being here. That sucks. Right. But we all saw it coming and we knew that there needed to be change. But this organization call a spade a spade. This organization has not done what they've needed to do in terms of being aggressive enough at the coaching ranks to get the guy that they need to get in here and change things. They have been throwing stuff against the wall and hoping that it sticks. I repeat, there is no salary caps on coaches. No salary caption point on coaches. Go get somebody that you know what the heck they are and that when that person steps in, as soon as that person's name is mentioned, there are going to be players that say, ooh, either I can get with that or I ain't getting with that at all. Because I know what I know. All that's required to go play for that person.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (14:18)

In or out?

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (14:19)

Yeah. Listen, in or out?

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (14:20)

Yeah.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (14:20)

And there's only a handful of names that you can mention that are those type of guys.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (14:25)

Yeah.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (14:25)

And I've said it before. You guys know who I. Who I've sit on the table for stating that I would like, outside of that individual, everybody else that you would mention that is in that realm is most likely up for a head coaching position. They're not going to make an adjacent move. They're not going to come over here because. Because you're the Cowboys and you have the star, you're either going to get that guy or you're going to settle for somebody else that you are hopeful can execute what it is that you're hoping to get done on defense.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (14:55)

There are three things I want to mention with the last three head coach or defensive coordinator hires. They were all guys with established track records as defensive coordinators. Dan Quinn, Mike Zimmer, Matt Eberfluous track records as defensive coordinators. Went to become a head coach, had limited success, but for the most part failed. Especially with Matt Eberfluz. He never really had any limited success. Zimmer had some limited success, of course. Quinn led the Falcons to a Super bowl and lost in that 28 to three game. Both. All three of those guys had that. They brought them back on the back half of being a head coach, returning to be a defensive coordinator. One of them worked out Dan Quinn. Two of them did not. So I would argue they've gone with people that they feel like they do know about, but there's been a buffer in between. They've felt like, oh, Dan Quinn, Mike Zimmer and Matt Eberfluss have all been successful as defensive coordinators enough to be hired by another NFL organization. Because of that, they felt like they said, all right, they're going to be successful as a defensive coordinator now in this league. So my question to you becomes, when you're talking about a sure thing, does it have to be a current defensive coordinator that's had success or is it. Is it going to be another guy who was once a head coach and has had a buffer in between his time of being a coordinator in this league?

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (16:23)

I have a name.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (16:26)

Let me backpedal a little bit. Dan Quinn had a lot of success here as a defensive coordinator.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (16:31)

Yes, he did.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (16:31)

He did.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (16:32)

Dan Quinn became a head coach once again because of the success that he had here as coordinator. Dan Quinn's defense would have been dang near perfect had he had the personnel he needed on the defensive line.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (16:42)

Absolutely.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (16:44)

So that was a personnel thing.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (16:45)

Yes.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (16:46)

No questions there.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (16:47)

Completely agree.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (16:47)

He left here because he took a better opportunity.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (16:50)

A head coaching job.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (16:51)

Head coaching job.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (16:52)

Yeah.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (16:52)

Since then? No. Since then? No. Since then.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (16:56)

You.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (16:56)

You took. You got a Zimmer and you got Zimmer who hadn't coached in a minute.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (17:01)

Right.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (17:01)

And you had Zimmer, who had something that he was known for that wasn't very revolutionary, but it was like, okay, you know, this is what he is. He is a. He's an older version of Brian Flores. Right. That scheme. Then you bring in Eberfluss. Eberfluz is legitimately came off the heels of getting fired. And you're like, as a head coach. As a head coach, yes. You know, his defenses were considered to be solid. Right. And the offense was always the issue out there for him. So you brought him in thinking that he was going to be the solution. The only thing with Eber Flutes is evil didn't have an aura about him. I mentioned that to you guys when I went out there to do some off season stuff for voting. I was like, I stepped in the room.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (17:42)

No, you were on it.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (17:43)

He did not command the room.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (17:44)

Yeah, right.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (17:45)

That was just for the. The half hour that I was in the. In that space. I was like, probably a great dude doesn't command the room.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (17:51)

Yeah.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (17:52)

So bringing him in as a defensive coordinator, I mentioned, I was like, I don't see how that's going to work. Hopefully it works. But I saw him in front of a bunch of men and a bunch of all those other guys looked at him like, yeah. So I didn't see it really working out. I didn't think it was gonna be this bad. But the person I'm talking about, you guys know this, right? Rex, Ryan. We could talk about this. And I'm gonna get laughed at, all kind of stuff. No, there are no other. I hear you. There are no other names. I don't care who you mention. You could. You could say the. The guy that we can't say right now because he's still under contract. He'll be a head coach. I'm telling you that right now. He will be a head coach.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (18:27)

Somebody's gonna get.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (18:28)

Most likely in Las Vegas. He'll be a head coach in Las Vegas. I'll say that right now. So that's a no. Also, there's no. For other reasons why he would never come here. There is nobody else that you guys can bring up to me that you'd be like, ooh, I know exactly what he stands for. I know exactly the type of players that you have to be to play for that guy. You either get with it or you get gone type of guys. Everybody else that you would mention would probably be like, yeah, you know, I mean, don't work with what you have, you know, like, doesn't make it happen. No, no, no. I want somebody who's like, when that person's name is mentioned, you're like, oh crap.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (19:03)

Oh crap.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (19:04)

Okay, yeah, I know this person's either aggressive or this person has this style of play. Whatever it is. Like you know what the identity of their, of their scheme is before you even step in the room, before you even looked at the roster. You know what you have to be in order to play for this individual. Please.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (19:19)

Okay, so caps lock Hell no on Rex Ryan and for reasons that I've said before, you. You don't get grace from me after because. What are you talking about? Right? You're saying, you know, like a buffer has existed, etc. Etc. Yeah, what buffer is. Is thicker than a 10 year hiatus from coaching.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (19:39)

Like you just criticized Mike Zimmer.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (19:41)

Exactly.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (19:41)

Coming off the.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (19:42)

Exactly my point.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (19:43)

So quite some time.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (19:44)

Let me continue.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (19:45)

I was never impressed by him.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (19:46)

That's. That's fine. Fact of the matter is 10 years gone does not imply to me that you can hit the ground running in four defensive coordinators in four years. You need someone who's going to come in and hit the ground running. You don't need something, oh well, Rex Ryan needs two to three years to get it going at. Nope, not going to cut it.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (20:05)

Right.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (20:06)

Obviously.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (20:06)

You're obviously four. Four for four. Your Wendy's. Right. Your value meal at Wendy's right now.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (20:12)

Not a sponsor.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (20:13)

Now granted my front runner. I can't say the name again. Of the Nordic variety. Right. We'll just leave it there. I feel like aura commands the room, but likely will go and get, you know, a promotion somewhere.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (20:27)

Okay.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (20:28)

From there. Because you rather you like what's behind that option or not. You got to discuss those options. Right. There's a guy in one of the cities in Ohio, I can't say the name, but he commands a room.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (20:41)

Columbus, Cleveland, it could be anywhere.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (20:43)

He commands Miami respect from his locker room. I think we can agree to that. Now to a lesser degree, as far as having that dog ish aura, a little bit more of a subdued aura, but still gets buy in immediately. Jonathan Gannon, who also has. We can say his name because he was fired. Jonathan Gannon has familiarity with guess who. Clayton Adams on the other side of the ball. Okay. He's also not of the old guard Rex Ryan, old guard Mike Zimmer, old guard Dan Quinn, still effective, but old guard Matt Eber Flutes old guard. Here's Jonathan Gannon right there in that sweet spot of the Brian Schottenheimer the Clayton Adams.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (21:23)

That would make a lot of sense.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (21:24)

So much.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (21:24)

He's had success in this division recently.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (21:26)

Recently with whom? The Philadelphia Eagles. Doesn't he have a ring on his finger because of that defense? Did he? I believe he does, right?

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (21:35)

Was he there in 2017?

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (21:36)

Wasn't he? Hold on.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (21:38)

It wouldn't have been. It wouldn't have been last year.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (21:40)

That would have been last year. Okay, fair enough. But he coached one of the best defenses in the league.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (21:44)

At least went to consistently one of.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (21:46)

The best defenses and I think he.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (21:47)

Took him to a Super Bowl.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (21:48)

He did, yeah. That's what I'm. Okay, so. And in that space, he, that defense that he coached to being one of and often the best in the league, what did they have? They had dogs up front, right? They had Jordan Davis and they had Jalen. Okay, so now he's coming into a situation and we're just speaking again. It doesn't mean that he's going to be the guy, but this is me offering him as a candidate. Those pieces are already in place here. Quinny Williams, Kenny Clark, we can talk about osa, Solomon Thomas, he's here on the contract next year. Those pieces are in place. Jonathan Gannon knows how to get the edges where they need to be as far as talking to the front office, personnel wise, because they're going to have to do some edge work. Dante Fowler, free agent. Don't know that. You should bring him back. Bring Jadevion Clowney back. Sam Williams, not so much. You see what I'm saying? You have to develop as Raku go back linebackers. He knows how to coach linebackers. That's one of the best things they did in Philadelphia and still to this day doing Philadelphia linebackers. But it also goes to having the right personnel there to develop those guys. Right. So names like Jonathan Gannon are going to be front runners because I'm telling you right now, a guy like Clayton Adams, he's already on the phone with Schottenheimer and Jerry and saying you should give this guy a look. Bring him in for an interview. So I, I hear what you're saying, but I feel like it's time to move on from the old guard.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (22:59)

You know what's really kind? Just not to interrupt, but just to take a look back at Jonathan Gannon's list of coaching hires and where he's been. He was in Minnesota from 2014 to 2017 under Mike Zimmer. Right after that, he was hired as the defensive backs coach in 2018 by the Indianapolis Colts under Matty Buffalo. And then he goes to and is the defensive coordinator. Had success with Philadelphia for two years there. Yeah, listen, kind of funny that to look at it that way when you see.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (23:32)

I'll put it this way, really succinctly. When you see Jonathan Gannon get fired by the Cardinals and players start tweeting images of them hugging him, telling them how much they'll miss him. If you show me a single Cowboys defensive player that tweets that type of image from that Eber flu, maybe Kenneth Murray. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't give me stuff.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (23:56)

Imagine so.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (23:56)

Which. You know what?

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (23:57)

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Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (23:58)

I'm sorry.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (23:58)

Which.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (23:58)

No, no. Which kind of another point I was going to say that was also Matt Eberfluz's undoing is inconsistency and accountability. I talked to so many players on the defensive side of the ball in the locker room day in, day out who just could not understand why they were not getting the rightful shot at ascending on the depth chart. When you have guys like Jack Sanborn who were struggling, Kenneth Murray who was struggling. Hell, we just watched the Giants game where OSA got benched for an all size penalty. And then not long thereafter, Solomon Thomas. Solomon Thomas. I'm sorry. And then not long thereafter, Kenneth Murray with the boneheaded late hit out of bounds.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (24:36)

And doesn't get pulled.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (24:36)

And doesn't get pulled. The message that sends to the locker room is outrageous. So there was no buy in immediately. And then everything just started to unravel once they realized Eber Flutes had his guys, regardless of how poorly his guys played.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (24:50)

I want to continue this conversation. I want to hear your thoughts that I rudely interrupted a moment ago. On the other side of the break, once again, Matty Berflus, fired as the defensive coordinator after one season here with the Cowboys, taking a look at what could possibly be next for this Cowboys defense. When we come back with more talking Cowboys.

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Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (28:35)

Back to Talking Cowboys Back here on Talking Cowboys, presented by Black Rifle Coffee Co. The official coffee of the Dallas Cowboys. This segment is brought to you by Invisalign. The official smile of the Dallas Cowboys. Matt Eberfluss fired as the defensive coordinator in Dallas. Isaiah, we were talking in the previous segment about how you can have stop and stop it. The how you can find a guy worth replacing. Because based on your initial reaction, and I don't disagree with you by the way, I'm on the same page as you are if you don't go get a guy, a proven commodity, somebody that you can bring in here and trust that despite having a lack of talent on your defense, which is fair right now, you have some high end guys and you got a bunch of nobodies on defense. Let's call a spade a spade. They've got to be welcome to doing something with that. If not, why even move on from Matt Eberfluz if you don't have a possible replacement in mind?

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (29:37)

May I really quickly just jump in to say I think a part of this conversation needs to include consistency because we don't want to be here in a year's time saying the Cowboys have moved on from defensive coordinator in five years. And even if it's successful, I mean that also means if you're going after a guy that's, you know, the best of the best currently that has, you know, that hype behind them, they will also be considered for a head coaching job because of the platform they would be exactly. Going forward. Even if they're, especially if they're being talked about in head coaching realms right now and they don't want necessarily the Raiders job for instance, or the Cleveland.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (30:16)

There'S six jobs available. There's, there are six NFL head coaching jobs available as of today.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (30:22)

But so when you do make this higher, are you and are you guys considering the idea of making sure this is a consistent hire? This will be the hire that we will build around for the next three.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (30:36)

You got to at least give us two years.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (30:38)

Which also goes to getting away from the old guard.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (30:41)

Listen, so my whole thing is when you start talking about coordinators, there has to be an identity like, like be before. Like you have to have identity and then you have to have a personality like. Right. Because the identity and the personality can't be separated. You need the personality of the coach to be manifested through the players.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (31:05)

This is where I feel you on Rex Ryan. Yeah, I, I genuinely do. Because that, that a personality that embodies their defense.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (31:12)

Absolutely. High energy, no nonsense run through your face. We're going to be uber aggressive. If we going to lose, we're going to lose because we just got beat on something while we were blitzing, you know, trying to get you, trying to get your quarterback.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (31:24)

1V1.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (31:25)

It's 1v1. Mano Imano, I'm calling you out as a man. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like there's an energy there, aura there. I don't. I'm not saying that it doesn't exist otherwise other places.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (31:34)

Right.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (31:34)

I'm not, I'm not saying that I don't know all these guys individually, but there isn't any other names that you guys could bring up to me. And I understand that he's been gone for a minute. I understand that he's old school, I'm old school. So that's why I kind of lean towards that direction. There aren't any other coordinate defensive coordinators that when I hear their name, I know their scheme and I know what they're about that are not going to be considered for head coaching jobs and that who already do not possess defensive coordinator positions. Most of these guys, if they're very successful at their job, they're not going to leave where they're at to go for that adjacent job.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (32:08)

Because then in the next coaching style or coaching cycle, if they don't get a coaching job this cycle, they have success in the place they've already been having success. Then you go again, Dan Quinn, three years here with the Dallas Cowboys, a great example of that. But that's.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (32:22)

Unless they feel like they have, that they can work with Dallas's personnel more and have more success making that lateral move.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (32:30)

I'm not doing it. I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving a defensive coordinator position.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (32:36)

To make a lateral move.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (32:37)

To make a lateral move. It's just not happening.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (32:40)

Right.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (32:40)

So that's what I'm saying. So the guys that you guys are most willing. Now you mentioned a coach who's, who's fired. Okay, that's, that's a potential. But everybody else that you respect in the coordinator, defensive coordinator position has a job already. They already have a job. So you either have guys that have been waiting for the perfect opportunity, you have guys that have just got fired, or you have guys that are waiting for the head coaching spot. That's really the pools you're living in.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (33:03)

I think there's a.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (33:04)

Or you're going to college and you're pulling somebody up.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (33:06)

I think there's a caveat to this. The caveat to that would be example being, you know, the guy who lives in Ohio. If you. If you're in a situation where, yes, you're a defensive coordinator, but you don't like what's going on, you look around within that particular organization, it's a mess. On that side of the ball, it's a mess. Whatever, whatever. And your future is uncertain, and you just don't like the overall direction. I'd be willing to take a lateral move to something that is at least more promising, that might have more money attached to.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (33:37)

I go to a place that just got rid of the last four guys.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (33:39)

Guys that is at least more promising.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (33:42)

It's true, though.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (33:42)

You know what I'm saying?

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (33:43)

Like, more promising.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (33:44)

Hold on.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (33:45)

But the difference being, look at what's happening in that particular organization on the other side of the ball versus what this side of the ball looks like, respectively, if you understand what I'm saying. There are no concerns. I should say there are little. Little concerns because there's some. Some growth that shotty has to do, but there are little con. Few concerns on the offensive side of the ball. So if I'm that defensive coordinator, I'm looking at the whole of the situation and saying, well, the situation I'm in, man, this house is burning down.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (34:12)

And if you're that organization, are you going to allow that person to walk out the door without giving them the bag?

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (34:17)

You're gonna. You're gonna offer it, but again, it's still on that person to say we're absolutely correct. How? It's a conversation within myself to say, okay, well, I could take a little bit more money here because they're up in the bag for me to stay. However, that more money doesn't stop the fact that the house is burning down.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (34:30)

Guys don't want to jump around. I'm just telling you, coaches do not. They have families. They don't want to be jumping from place to place. You have three little minions. If you move to three different cities in the last four years, your wife's gonna be like, sit down.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (34:42)

What are we doing?

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (34:42)

What are we doing? Right, like, so I respect what you're saying, and I understand it.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (34:47)

Set that account balance.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (34:49)

Hey, but guess what? We could make it wherever they're at if they're home, school, wherever they're at, wherever, whatever coaches we're talking about, if they currently have positions with organizations, those organizations value them. They're going to give them the bag there. Again, I repeat, there are no salary caps when it comes to coaches. This is a. It's a blank check. If the owner wants them and doesn't want them to leave, they will sign whatever they want to. And you may or may not find out what they're making.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (35:15)

That's how you kept Jason Garrett as offensive coordinator.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (35:17)

I'll tell you what. We're talking about candidates who will receive offers in some way, shape or form. Right. Whether they are currently under the contract or they were just fired by. They're going to get offers. Let me know when Rex Ryan starts taking a bunch of interviews.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (35:30)

I hear you.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (35:30)

There's a reason he's not getting interviews.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (35:32)

He was here. He was interviewed here? Yes.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (35:35)

When?

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (35:36)

A couple years ago.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (35:38)

When.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (35:39)

When I talked about him last time.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (35:41)

You're talking about before you guys laughed.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (35:43)

At me and he brought him in for an interview that's on the menu.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (35:48)

Don't recall, but that one happened.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (35:50)

I will say, I think over the last two hires, Zimmer and Eberfluss, this front office has consistently tried to find that same spark or that same experience level of Dan Quinn just to try and replicate some ounce of success that they've had with him in the past. Not saying Zimmer and Ibrahe were the same person. They were not, however, trying to find a former head coach with skins on the wall who has been around it, has had success as a defense coordinator. All of these ele here, you're talking about old school, you're talking about new school. To a certain extent, yes. Is this a time where a new school head coach with Brian Schottenheimer who's going to have heavy influence on this hire, Is it time for him to go new school and give somebody a shot? Give somebody that hasn't been a defensive quarterback?

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (36:42)

Isn't that what he's been doing on the offensive side of the ball?

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (36:45)

He has been, yeah.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (36:45)

Clayton Adams and Connor Riley. Right. He's. He's giving guys. I'm just saying he's giving guys a shot who otherwise may not have is a title.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (36:55)

I don't think it carries nearly as much weight.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (36:57)

My point being, to Cal's point, the defensive side of the ball for the most part that Eber flu is higher. That was not shoddy.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (37:03)

So that.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (37:03)

And clearly it was not.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (37:04)

And neither was Zimmer.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (37:05)

This will be A shoddy higher.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (37:07)

Oh, he'll.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (37:07)

Yeah. The fingerprints will be all over it. I'm curious though, if the conversation at. At any point because this is going to be a long.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (37:15)

Oh, for sure.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (37:16)

Speculation between days. Yeah.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (37:18)

It's gonna be like a year.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (37:20)

It's gonna be crazy.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (37:21)

Yeah.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (37:21)

But I. I kind of wonder if internal conversations start to happen as far as making a higher within. Oh, curious.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (37:31)

Making a higher within. Who would you hire within. We can talk about.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (37:34)

There's. There's only one guy I would even consider.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (37:36)

Consider. I mean, how would you guys feel about White Cotton?

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (37:39)

That's the only guy I would consider. But that's not the move I would make. But in the realm of consideration.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (37:44)

In the realm of consideration. I think we have to. I think we have to talk about it.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (37:48)

I don't know his abilities of calling place same. I know he's amazing defensive line coach.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (37:53)

That's what I know.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (37:54)

Yeah.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (37:54)

Yeah.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (37:54)

I can't.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (37:54)

And you want to keep.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (37:55)

Again, Just like all position.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (37:57)

All.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (37:58)

All coordinators aren't head coaches. All position coaches aren't coordinators. So I can't speak to him and his abilities.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (38:03)

Yep.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (38:04)

I just know my biggest thing again, when you mention a person's name, do you know the style of play that you're going to get?

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (38:12)

You do know the style of coaching you get with Wycotton.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (38:14)

Oh, that's for sure.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (38:15)

He's so.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (38:16)

And let's remember Shoddy wasn't in the head coaching conversation whenever we had it. And then they had internal conversations last year and guess who became the head coach. I'm just saying.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (38:23)

And the person that I'm talking about, White Cotton, fit in great with that person.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (38:27)

Yeah.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (38:27)

There's also a defensive backs coach that was here for a little bit of time that left and went somewhere else. I can't say his name because he's under contract somewhere else. We've talked about him on the show a couple times. Would you even think about that?

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (38:39)

That possibility?

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (38:39)

That's not a lateral move.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (38:41)

We thought about it last year.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (38:42)

That would be a promotion.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (38:43)

Yes, it would.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (38:44)

Would you think about that and would you know what type of style of play you would get from a guy? Oh, let's say that's on the Chicago staff.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (38:50)

Not when they're responsible for the entire defense. I don't.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (38:53)

Okay.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (38:53)

That's what I'm saying. Like guys are great position coaches. I don't know. And none of us know what they would look like when they turn on Madden.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (39:00)

Yeah.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (39:01)

You know, say like when you're Responsible for all three levels. It's a entirely different thing. You have to have a scheme for all three levels. You can't just speak to your position of excellence. You have to speak to the linebackers. You got to say the linebackers. And you guys doing this because this is what I need you to play. I need your defensive line. I need you guys, interior guys to play like this. Your defense is like you're commanding the defense. It's not just I get this title and I'm like, all right, position coaches, make it work with what I'm trying to do on the back end. Like you have. You have to know exactly all three levels through and through.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (39:30)

Let me be very clear. I don't think that's a possibility, nor do I think the front office or Brian Schottenheimer would want that. That as a possibility. I'm just putting out a feeler for what that would scenario, because the guy that was buddy. Buddy with him while he was here just left and got cut because of how she was buddy buddy with him.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (39:48)

Jordan Lewis, too. I think, like, at this point, it's a different defense than he left.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (39:52)

Great point. So I don't think.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (39:54)

Totally different idea, but he just went.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (39:55)

To a defense that wasn't the same defense, and there.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (39:58)

He's not the coordinator. But. But I understand what you're saying, but.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (40:01)

That just circles me to your point. Right. Granted, there are some position coaches that you just. Yeah. You don't know about, but I think this particular gentleman is above that particular take by the. Because of Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy did this particular guy a huge favor by naming him assistant head coach and bringing him into those meetings so he can have the greater scope of things.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (40:24)

Right.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (40:24)

So it made his. It expanded his thought process beyond just the defensive backs in Dallas. So that's why the name we're talking about, I would be completely on board with because again, Isaiah makes a valid take. However, I think this guy is above that take because he. He got the scope, the grand scope of things thanks to Mike McCarthy and how he chose to handle him when he was there.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (40:47)

Yeah.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (40:47)

I just don't know if it's a possibility.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (40:49)

I don't know. It's a possibility. I don't think it would be. And I know that somebody on Twitter brought up the. The guy in the Pacific Northwest, and I just. I just.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (40:59)

I love that we're doing this.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (41:00)

We're a big geography show.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (41:01)

Pacific Northwest.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (41:03)

We love the United States coast to coast.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (41:06)

America's team.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (41:07)

Absolutely. My thought process on that is. I just don't see that gentleman with the success that he's having, he ain't leaving. Turning around and coming back to an organization he felt slighted by by not giving him a rightful chance at being the DC here in the first place.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (41:18)

Would have been awesome, but he ain't leaving.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (41:20)

Yeah.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (41:20)

All right, when we come back, I'm not leaving. I want to have a quick seg the personnel on the defensive side. I've got a couple questions that you need to answer. Oh, because the Cowboys need to answer those questions coming up in a matter of moments. When we come back with more talking Cowboys.

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Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (42:41)

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Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (44:02)

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Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (44:53)

Something I don't know.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (44:54)

Yeah, I don't. I don't blame you banging.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (44:55)

He's not KO to.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (44:57)

No, he is. Pressure is. Yeah, pressure. Pressure makes diamonds. Right?

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (45:03)

That's what they say.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (45:04)

That's what they say. Scheming up pressure.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (45:08)

At least somebody.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (45:10)

Sorry, Sorry.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (45:12)

That was messy. Again. All right. I got a bit of an exercise per se. I'm going to name starters on this defensive side of the ball.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (45:21)

Okay.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (45:22)

From 20, 25 already.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (45:23)

Okay.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (45:24)

I want you to tell me two things for each of these names and we're going to run through this pretty quickly. If you want to stop and debate over a player, let me know. Number one, would you bring them back and be a starter? Should they be a starter next year? Let's rephrase that. Should they be a starter for this team next year?

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (45:43)

Okay.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (45:44)

Two, would they be a starter on any of the other. All 31 teams out there?

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (45:49)

This will be fun.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (45:50)

All 31 teams.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (45:52)

All right.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (45:52)

All right, starting. I'm just going to go down the list here. I know he's not an edge rusher, but I'm just going to throw him out there as three defensive linemen. Oso de Gizua Yes.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (46:01)

Yes.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (46:01)

There you go. Yes and yes. Right?

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (46:03)

Yes. Yes.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (46:04)

Kenny Clark.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (46:04)

Yes.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (46:05)

Yes and yes. Quinn and Williams.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (46:07)

Yes.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (46:07)

Okay, so let's go ahead and move those guys out of the way.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (46:10)

We're good there.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (46:11)

Edge Rusher. I'm just going to throw out Dante Fowler Jr. No.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (46:15)

Yes. Oh, wait, sorry. Yes. No.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (46:17)

You would bring him back, but you would not see him as a starter.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (46:20)

On the other three one.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (46:22)

No.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (46:22)

No, no, no.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (46:23)

He was very vocal about not being healthy this year, being hurt, and of course, vocal about the scheme. I would like to give him another year, a healthy offseason and see what he can do. I would like to bring him back.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (46:35)

It's going to be a discount, too.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (46:37)

Would he be starting? No.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (46:38)

No. I think. Yeah. I think that's a progress stopper for as Raku.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (46:42)

Could be Donovan. As Raku.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (46:44)

That's yes.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (46:45)

Yes, yes and maybe. Yes and maybe. No.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (46:48)

No.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (46:48)

But it's going to be the second question. Yes.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (46:52)

No.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (46:52)

Yeah.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (46:53)

I mean, it's not unfair.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (46:54)

He's in the NFL. Okay.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (46:55)

Yes. No.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (46:55)

And I agree.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (46:56)

And that might change.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (46:57)

But he will turn into a yes.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (46:58)

In my opinion as of right now is a yes.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (47:00)

But you're right. Yes.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (47:01)

Jadavian Clowney. Yes, yes and yes.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (47:04)

Yes.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (47:04)

Yes.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (47:05)

Okay. Demarvi and overshow.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (47:07)

Yes, yes and yes.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (47:09)

Yes. No.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (47:10)

I think I'm there with you. You got to be on the starting. You got to be on the field.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (47:14)

On the field, he'd start.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (47:15)

Best ability is availability.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (47:16)

When he's available. He'd start when.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (47:18)

We could say when. When kickers make the where. Why?

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (47:21)

What?

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (47:22)

How are we adding a third question of can they be available?

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (47:25)

No.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (47:26)

It's all.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (47:27)

That's what I'm saying. So then, yes, I'm just going to.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (47:28)

That's the base.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (47:29)

I'm assuming every one of these guys are healthy at the time of this question.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (47:32)

When he's healthy, he's starting for other time.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (47:34)

I'm assuming every one of these guys are healthy at the time of this question.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (47:36)

Okay.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (47:37)

Yes. Yes.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (47:37)

Okay.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (47:39)

Kenneth Murray.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (47:40)

No and no.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (47:40)

No. Yeah.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (47:41)

No.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (47:41)

No.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (47:42)

Isaiah ufl, Would you like to ufo.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (47:45)

No.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (47:45)

No.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (47:45)

No. I'm gonna say yes. No.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (47:48)

You would bring him back? Not a starter. Why would you bring him back?

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (47:51)

Because I think he's a good player. I just think that he needs better coaching.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (47:55)

Interesting. More accountability or better scheme.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (47:58)

He doesn't have the vision. He's a hell of a hit. He's a tackle. He's a tackling machine. I don't care what nobody says. He just. His vision Was terrible.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (48:05)

So he's.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (48:06)

And he started off decent.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (48:07)

Isn't part of that instinct, though?

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (48:09)

Yeah, part of it is instinct, but part of it is coaching. We don't know what the heck's going on in that room in terms of keys and eyes vision and all that stuff.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (48:15)

I want to see more from your younger linebacker.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (48:18)

No, no, he's not. Wanda Maximo. If you ain't got the vision, you ain't got it.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (48:22)

Donovan Wilson, safety.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (48:25)

Depends on the coordinator.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (48:27)

Yes. No, no.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (48:30)

I'm saying. No, no.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (48:31)

I'm saying I think it depends on the D coordinator. If it's a. If it's a Quinn esque coordinator that plays him downhill as opposed to in coverage. Donald can do some stuff for you. Maybe it's a coordinator that needs him to play coverage. The answer is no.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (48:45)

Malik Hooker.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (48:46)

Yes. No.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (48:47)

I'm saying no.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (48:48)

No, no, no, no, no.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (48:49)

I'm there. I'm there with you. Going to corners. Kalyn Carson.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (48:55)

Yes. No.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (48:57)

Yes.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (48:57)

No.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (48:58)

I think there's a.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (48:58)

There's a development issue there.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (49:00)

Yes. No.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (49:01)

So. Yes. No.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (49:02)

And you have to have a coordinator that's going to help develop them.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (49:05)

I'm not done with Caitlin Carson.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (49:07)

Duron Blaine.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (49:08)

Yes.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (49:09)

Yes, yes, yes.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (49:10)

Right. Savone Revel.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (49:12)

Yes.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (49:12)

Yes, yes. No, no.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (49:15)

On the. On the back.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (49:16)

Yes. No.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (49:16)

Yes.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (49:16)

No.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (49:17)

Yes.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (49:17)

Give me a healthy offseason. We'll see.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (49:19)

Okay. Ready? Steward.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (49:21)

Yes. No.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (49:22)

At safety.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (49:23)

Yes. No.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (49:23)

You're interested with him at safety?

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (49:25)

I'm gonna say yes. No.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (49:26)

He's a hard hitter. I like what you did there. Yeah, but. Yes.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (49:29)

No, I like that. I'm cool with that. I'd say no. No. If you're gonna pigeonhole him into the corner, I give him as a nickel or whatever.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (49:35)

Give him £7.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (49:36)

I want eyes.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (49:37)

Let's bulk him up a little bit.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (49:38)

Seven pounds of muscle, bro.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (49:40)

Digging missile.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (49:40)

Right now, I want Rady Stuart already.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (49:42)

I want him near the last roster.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (49:44)

Yeah.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (49:44)

Sam Williams. Now I'm going into the second group.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (49:47)

No, no, no, no, no.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (49:48)

Yeah. And he's up on a contract year, so you can possibly see him walk. Logan Wilson.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (49:53)

No. No.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (49:55)

Yes. No.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (49:55)

No, no. Why?

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (49:57)

Yes.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (49:59)

Depth wise, I want him on the team.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (50:00)

Okay.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (50:03)

Solomon Thomas. Yes.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (50:05)

Yes. Yes.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (50:06)

I'd say yes.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (50:07)

No.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (50:07)

Yes.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (50:08)

But I'm. I'm confident in.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (50:10)

Yeah. Yes.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (50:11)

Yeah. I'm cool with that.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (50:12)

Marquis Bell.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (50:13)

Yes.

Julian Edelman (Guest or Advertiser) (50:14)

No.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (50:14)

Yes.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (50:15)

No. Okay.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (50:16)

And these are all second tier guys anyway, so it should.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (50:18)

That's also. That's also depth and special team. Absolutely. With. With.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (50:21)

Yeah. Yes. No.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (50:23)

The reason for this exercise is to see how many no's we had in any capacity, whether you wanted him back or he would start on any of these other 31 NFL teams. There's a lot of no's there. Lots of no's, Period. There's a lot of yes no's.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (50:38)

Yeah.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (50:38)

You want to bring them back. Yes. You want them as a part of your football team? Yes. There's a lot of guys that I think can help you be better moving forward. But would they be starters in a starting role other than Dallas, Texas?

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (50:49)

And I think that's probably the biggest problem that we're having. It's like we're used to a certain level of play on the defense when we're talking about how we need. Need a total facelift.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (50:59)

Yes.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (50:59)

Like, you need a clean house on defense. You have tent pole guys. Absolutely. The yes yeses. But some of these yes no's, I'm like, okay, well, then at what point do we expect them to make that next step? Coaching, permitting, all of these things. Permitting. I mean, let's. Let's clean house, man.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (51:19)

This is why you. You have to attack this offseason in both free agency and. And the NFL draft. And when I say free agency, I don't mean bargain bin shopping. I don't mean waiting until the, you know, third and fourth wave of free agency. I mean, you need to be active in the first two waves of free agency. You got to walk away with this free agency with at least one whale. At least a whale.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (51:39)

A few.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (51:39)

And absolutely. Now, if that. If that whale comes by way of trading in free agency to acquire. Have the cap space. You can have the cap space. I. You go to Michigan, my freaking head explode. You can have the cap space. I know. Just because so many people are littered sinuses. Yeah, that's true. So many people are like, oh, they're over. You can have the cap space Even.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (52:02)

After you sign Georgia.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (52:03)

You can have the caps Pickens.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (52:05)

And please do not rely on the draft alone.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (52:07)

You can have.

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (52:08)

Do everything you can to change this defense.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (52:10)

You can have the cap space. I mean, there's so many ways to have the cap space. There are restructures on. There are restructures there. Yeah, they're, you know, preemptive extensions like on Kenny Clark and Quinn Williams. That frees up money immediately. Things like that. You can get it done. And if you trade for a whale, you can then rework the contract with said whale once you acquire him. There are so many ways to do it. I don't want to talk about pie? Unless it's sweet potato or key lime.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (52:33)

Right now you are projected to be 33 million over the cap in 2026, which is the worst number in the NFL. So I just want to put it.

Host 4 (Possibly Isaiah Standback) (52:43)

Out there that comparatively, did we have the best before? For one of the best?

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (52:47)

No. You have 23 million of cap space now. But you can roll that over so it'll help.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (52:51)

I'm telling you, you can.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (52:54)

There's, there's ways to maneuver it, make it enough.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (52:57)

This make it.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (52:58)

This is the first off season episode. We got a long way to go. We'll talk about it. Maybe by the time we hit the airwaves next Tuesday at 10:00am Central Time, we'll maybe have a new defensive coordinator to talk about or we'll at least have some interviews to talk about.

Host 3 (Possibly Kyle Yeomans) (53:13)

10 days.

Host 1 (Possibly Patrick Walker) (53:14)

10 days. We got a little bit of time. Thanks for watching Talking Cowboys. Hope you had some fun with us over the last 50 minutes. For Patrick Noi Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, stand back. I'm Kyle Ymans saying so long from Talking Cowboys. We'll see you tomorrow. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. How about you, Cowboys?

Host 2 (Possibly Josh Rodriguez) (53:38)

Foreign.

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