Talkin’ Cowboys: Bad Blood, Big Stage

Summary

Talkin’ Cowboys: Bad Blood, Big Stage

Date: September 25, 2025
Panel: Kyle Yeomans (host), Isaiah Stanback, Patrick “Nosey” Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Producer Chris Beam
Location: The Star, Frisco, TX

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Episode Overview

This charged Thursday episode finds the Talkin’ Cowboys crew dissecting the intense lead-up to the Dallas Cowboys’ much-anticipated home game against the Green Bay Packers. The narrative centers around high emotions: the "bad blood" of former star Micah Parsons returning to Dallas in a Packers uniform, the Cowboys' critical early-season crossroads, and pressing questions over tribute videos, player expectations, and how this pivotal clash sets the tone for the rest of the season.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Micah Parsons’ Homecoming & The Tribute Debate

Timestamps: [03:32] – [08:34]

• The crew immediately addresses the big story: Micah Parsons' return. The emotional atmosphere is heightened by fan anticipation and speculation on how Parsons will be received.
• The crew is split on the need for a tribute video.
  • Josh Rodriguez [05:34]: “I don’t like how things degraded...I don’t see the justification for a tribute. Four years, no playoff success, one game. Four seasons does not a tribute make.”
  • Patrick Walker [07:44]: Proposes a compromise: “Would you be fine with a photo? Thank you, Micah.”
  • Consensus: A simple graphic or brief acknowledgment is appropriate, but not a full tribute video. The show highlights that Parsons' exit lacked the long-term impact or postseason success warranting an elaborate sendoff, unlike past stars (Zeke, Emmitt, Luka).
  • The panel polls listeners for their opinions, noting the passionate split within the fanbase.

2. Fan and Locker Room Emotions: “Split Decision”

[03:59], [04:05]

• Anticipates a “50/50” split of cheers and boos for Parsons.
  • Josh Rodriguez: “It’s going to be a little bit of both. I’m thinking it goes 50/50.”

3. Injury Updates & Roster Concerns

Timestamps: [08:34] – [12:20]

• Key Injuries:
  • Tyler Booker (expected IR) and CeeDee Lamb: not participating
  • DaRon Bland: trending toward playing
  • Trayvon Diggs: DNP, his availability in question
  • Kozy Bridges: limited but not considered a major concern
  • For Green Bay: starting T Zach Tom likely out (oblique)
    • Patrick Walker [10:26]: “In the event their starting tackle can’t play...all the more reason to have Jadeveon Clowney on the field.”
• Jadeveon Clowney Watch:
  • After being a healthy scratch last week, strong consensus Clowney will debut this Sunday.
  • Patrick Walker [11:18]: “What do you have to lose by playing him now...you don’t have a pass rush that’s getting home consistently. You can’t justify to me why he’s not on the field.”

4. Expectations for Jadeveon Clowney’s Debut

[12:20] – [15:55]

• The panel expresses uncertainty over what to expect, given Clowney’s changed role and weight (down 10–12 lbs from Panthers stint), and questions around his conditioning.
  • Isaiah Standback [13:24]: “We literally are going into this game blind with expectations from seven months ago.”
  • Consensus: Even if Clowney is just “serviceable” and offers a change of pace, several sacks the rest of the way would mark a successful signing.
  • Isaiah Standback [14:23]: “If we get what we’ve seen on film…we will be happy. He’s a guy who demands respect. But we truly don’t know. I don’t think he knows what he’s able to do right now.”
• Key Theme: Uncertainty reigns (“It’s literally a crapshoot”) but with hope he can spark Dallas’ pass rush.

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Segment 2: QB Vision — Packers Defensive Breakdown

Timestamps: [21:18] – [35:11]
(Lead: Isaiah Stanback)

1. Packers Defensive Strengths and Weaknesses

• Defensive Strengths

  • #1 in points allowed, #1 in yards/play, #1 in pass yards/play, #3 vs. run — “those are the facts” [21:32]
  • Aggressive on all levels: physical DBs, attacking D-line, active linebackers.

• Stanback Challenges Conventional Wisdom

  • Isaiah Standback [22:24]: "I'm not a believer [in their run defense]. These guys are only allowing 64 yards per game. Not a believer. You know why?...Their interior D-line to me is...not impressive. They miss somebody named KC and no, I’m not talking about fried chicken.”
  • Calls out the absence of Kenny Clark as a real weakness; interior linemen only “bull rush,” lack vertical penetration.
  • Prescription: Test the run (predicts DAL can rush for 125 yards); avoid obvious pass situations.

2. O-Line Concerns and Defensive Stunts

• Packers’ main threat is “stunt” movement up front, which could challenge Dallas’ backup C and RG, especially vs. an aggressive, rotating front including Parsons and Rashan Gary [24:54].
  • Stanback: “The one thing that their defensive does very well that bothers me...is they stunt very well. They move a lot in terms of responsibilities....If you can’t pass off...you’re screwed.”
• Concern: Mauler types like Bass and Hoffman “lock in...want to exert their physicality” but may lose track of stunts.

3. Secondary Play and Keys for Cowboys Offense

• Packers DBs play single high, hit receivers at/after five yards, keep everything in front. “Sticky” and physical—force Dallas’ receivers to fight for every route.

  • Stanback [28:15]: “Tolbert to me is probably your best option...willingness, ability to fight off defensive backs.”

• Patience Required — Dink & Dunk

  • Matchup will force Dallas to the middle of the field. TEs like Jake Ferguson, Brevin Span-Ford, and 12 personnel sets highlighted as essential X-factors.
  • Patrick Walker [31:04]: “This defense is structurally sound…run the MF ball all day long. Javante Williams is going to be your X factor this week.”
  • Kyle Yeomans [31:35]: Recalls Ferguson’s 13 catches/16 targets for 50 yards last week: predicts a similar stat line.

4. Physicality and Running Game Set the Tone

• Key: Don’t get “cute.” Run straight at the Packers, especially behind mauler backups.

  • Isaiah Standback [34:08]: “I love the idea of 12 personnel. You want to impose your will....Buckle up for getting the ice bath before the game....Get your massages now. Acupuncture. This is going to be physical.”

• No “Trap” — Just Execution Required

  • Must succeed on early downs, control time of possession, keep Packers’ offense off the field.
  • Isaiah Standback [37:43]: “Don’t get cute. Play physical.”

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Segment 3: Lab Coat — The Math of Must-Win

Timestamps: [41:34] – [46:25]
(Lead: Patrick “Nosey” Walker, turns data into desperate reality)

1. Playoff Probability: The Road Forks Here

• The Stakes:
  • At 1–2, Cowboys have a 30% playoff chance.
  • Win Sunday (2–2): jumps to 42%.
  • Lose (1–3): plummets to 15%; since 1990, only 25 teams have climbed back from that to the postseason.
  • Walker [43:12]: “If you lose this game and fall to 1 and 3, your odds of making the playoffs become 15%. 1, 5....None of those teams have made the conference championship, their respective championship.”
  • Josh Rodriguez [43:48]: “They need to get on the field and do the right thing. Like Spike.”

2. Mental Edge & “Trap Game” Talk

• Discussion around whether this could be a “trap game” for the Packers with the Cowboys desperate and counted out by national media.
  • Patrick Walker [44:23]: “We talk so frequently about the Cowboys over the years...was the Packers the trap game? Certainly hope so.”
• Isaiah Standback says NFL “trap games” are rare. [46:41] : “You gotta approach every game like it’s brand new.”

3. Emotion & Past Wounds

• The Packers’ streak of dominance in Dallas looms large.
  • Patrick Walker [45:34]: “The last time they were here absolutely crushed your dreams. It was one of the worst losses, personally, as a fan, I’ve ever seen ... the aftershock of that game still lingers with you.”
• This is not just a must-win for the standings but for the culture and confidence of the franchise.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Parsons’ Tribute:
  • "Four seasons does not a tribute make." – Josh Rodriguez [06:37]
• On Micah’s Reception:
  • "I think there are going to be boos, and I think there are going to be cheers at the same time." – Kyle Yeomans [03:59]
• On Jadeveon Clowney’s Role:
  • "We literally are going into this game blind with expectations from seven months ago." – Isaiah Stanback [13:24]
• On Packers' Defense:
  • "They are true stand there, hold the fort. 2-gap guys that just want to push and bull rush." – Isaiah Stanback [22:39]
• On Offensive Keys:
  • "Run the MF ball all day long. Javante Williams is going to be your X factor this week." – Patrick Walker [31:04]
• On Physicality:
  • "Get your massages now. Acupuncture. Because this is going to be physical, especially at the line of scrimmage." – Isaiah Standback [34:08]
• On The Must Win:
  • "If you lose this game and fall to 1 and 3, your odds of making the playoffs become 15%." – Patrick Walker [43:12]

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Timestamps for Critical Segments

• 03:32 – 08:34: Parsons Tribute, Fan Division, Emotional Stakes
• 08:34 – 13:24: Injury Updates, Jadeveon Clowney’s Status
• 13:24 – 15:55: Clowney Expectations
• 21:18 – 35:11: Isaiah’s QB Vision: Packers D Breakdown & Offensive Keys
• 41:34 – 46:25: Lab Coat: Playoff Math and the True Must Win
• 45:34 – 46:25: Emotional History vs. Packers at Home

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Tone and Style

• The show remains lively, bantering with friendly ribbing but always steered back to razor-sharp analysis.
• The hosts embrace Cowboys Nation’s emotional roller-coaster, alternating between hope and frustration, science and swagger (“stat flambe”), and urgent calls to action worthy of a rivalry week.

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Summary Takeaways

• Sunday Night’s game against the Packers is framed as a pivotal, must-win contest with high drama, raw emotion, and the chance to swing the entire Cowboys season’s trajectory.
• The crew’s consensus: Dallas must be physically dominant, establish a powerful run game, use tight ends heavily, and match the Packers’ “bad blood” intensity — all while fending off ghosts of past failures at home versus Green Bay.
• Micah Parsons' return brings conflicting feelings but only modest recognition is warranted after a contentious departure.
• A loss would put Dallas on a statistical brink, making this not just a big game, but potentially the most important moment of their season — and maybe the next chapter in the storied Dallas-Green Bay rivalry.

Transcript

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[Kyle Yeomans]

The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

[Isaiah Standback]

This is Talking Cowboys streaming live from.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The Dallas Cowboys world headquarters at the Star in Frisco cd.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Lamb.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's on Jake Ferguson.

[Isaiah Standback]

Prescott keeps it and he bangs it in for the touchdown.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And now your host, Isaiah Stanbach, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans. It's a Thursday edition of Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company live Star in Frisco, Texas, in the SWBC studios. Welcome in, everybody. We've got the whole cast and crew ready for you to rock today with Patrick Nosey Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Stambach, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman. So glad you were with us. And today is an extra special two for episode of Talking Cowboy. You get the ayo. That's not even that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's not even.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's a stretch.

[Isaiah Standback]

I was talking about my coffee. Whoa, whoa.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, my God.

[Isaiah Standback]

Buddy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Two, four, one is the saying. And we get the. We get lab coat today in the third segment.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yes, sir.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What's lab coat going to look like?

[Josh Rodriguez]

What does this team look like?

[Isaiah Standback]

Oh, it's not going to be pleasant.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Not gonna be pleasant.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And then Isaiah stand back's got QB vision in the second segment.

[Isaiah Standback]

Time to give hope. Oh, oh.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Got a little bit of hope.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's a good balance.

[Isaiah Standback]

It is.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Wow. It's a good balance.

[Isaiah Standback]

It is.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I like that.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

And in the fourth segment, my life story. I was very young when I was born.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I was very young when I was born.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Yes. Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I know Josh and I get left off in these episodes.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

I mean, you got ky's. What is it?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Stat of the week.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Stat of the week. That's what it is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That'll come up tomorrow. I've got a stat cooking. Oh, stat cooking. Yeah. Trying to find my own. Look at the wrist flick. My own stats flambe. Little creme brulee.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You know, she saw Kyle over the stove. She.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Cafeteria free.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Everybody doing all Right.

[Isaiah Standback]

Today.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Yeah. Wonderful, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I feel like today's good to see you. It's good to see you, and it's good to be. It feels like it's been a turn of the page. There was frustration earlier in the week. There was a little bit of animosity at times. Just with this football team and the fan base.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

It's time to get down to business.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

It's time to, like, put your best.

[Isaiah Standback]

Foot forward in the weeds.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

You know what's going on. You know how you're dealing with injuries here. You know that CD Lamb is not playing. You know the toddler booker is not playing. So you have to put your best foot forward. And I think at least as far as press conferences go and we'll hear from coordinators today, but you get a sense that everyone is. It's time to get to work.

[Isaiah Standback]

Hell, yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. I think payback, of course, the. The primetime window plays a factor into it all, and the opponent plays a factor into the drama. The story plays into it. That's exactly right.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Get your popcorn ready.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm excited about this weekend. It's going to be an incredible atmosphere. I know Cowboys fans are ready to welcome in Micah Parsons with certain arms. I'm not exactly sure what exactly it's going to look like.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Split decision.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I think so, too. I think there are going to be booze, and I think there are going to be cheers at the same time.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, it's going to be a little bit of both. I'm thinking it goes 50, 50, since.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

How do you guys feel about the tribute video?

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't understand why everybody is losing their mind over the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That there's a lack thereof.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Yeah. No tribute video. Not happening.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm all right with that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Did you expect. Completely fine with it.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

What I would like to see, it's.

[Josh Rodriguez]

A player that played out his rookie.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Michael laying on the sidelines as, like, on the big screen. You know what I mean? You know, just that he's gonna be so 1000%.

[Isaiah Standback]

I use it against him.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

He's gonna be on freaking.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

He was going, you don't want to kill him.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Find a way to, you know, get himself, you know, ready for this game no matter what.

[Isaiah Standback]

He's going to be too amped, and.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That might work against.

[Isaiah Standback]

That's what I'm saying.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, that might work.

[Isaiah Standback]

I don't know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Luca cried on the bench prior to taking the floor at the American Airlines center for the first time as a Laker, and he put up 59 points.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

He also didn't ask.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Didn't we agree those two different situations are different?

[Isaiah Standback]

But you can't chip Luca.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, no, no, no. But I'm talking about. Yeah, the situations are completely different on how we got there. But I'm talking about emotions of returning home. That's similar. That's fair.

[Isaiah Standback]

He scored that much.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Luca.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Put up 59 points or 45 or one of the. One of the two.

[Josh Rodriguez]

His vengeance was different, though, to me anyway.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Dad, probably he had a little bit more oomph.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

And our listeners cooking too, because they're saying no video. No video.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't like how the. How things went. I don't like how things degraded.

[Isaiah Standback]

I don't.

[Josh Rodriguez]

On either side. I just want to be clear. I don't like how it was handled in the front office. I don't like how Micah side handled it as far as like the. The public trade request. And I don't want to play for the Cowboys anymore. Like, I'm like, really? That's how you feel?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Just for those that are wondering, 45 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 4 steals in his return against the Dallas Mavericks.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, he also wasn't shipped out of town at 1140 ring balances.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Michael Parsons going to use that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He also didn't. And Luke also got his team to the conference finals. And then the. So you see, you see what I'm saying? So if you're talking tributes that are deserved, these are the type of players that deserve tributes, not players. No knock to Micah. But four years, no playoff success, one game, one game fair. I need you if. If you are pro tribute for Micah. I just need you to justify the why.

[Isaiah Standback]

That.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Just tell me why. And it has to be a. Like a concrete, concrete one or two reasons other than you love Micah. Loving a guy is perfectly fine.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Nothing wrong with that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Nothing wrong with that. However, I love you. That being said, four seasons is not. Does not a tribute make four seasons. Does not attribute me. You know what I mean? So I, I agree with the Zeke tribute. Look at what Zeke was able to do as far as record setting over the course of his. And then he had two stints back and it's like, okay, cool, right? You're not Zeke, you're not Emmett, you're not Luca. And again, no knock to Micah. I just. I don't see the justification for a tribute. So why people are making. Oh, they're not going to do a tribute.

[Isaiah Standback]

So jingling.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Who cares? Who cares? I. I would. I would be more understanding of if this game was in green Bay and the packers chose not to do a tribute for Kenny Clark. That I would understand. That's nine seasons, three Pro Bowls with some postseason success, and with Aaron Rodgers and Jordan, like, I would understand if that was a no. I'd be like, oh, that's. That's shady.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Just to play devil's advocate, even though I do agree with you, Micah made more Pro Bowls with Dallas than Kenny Clark did with.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's fair. But nine, but over and impactful. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Like, would you be fine with a photo. Thank you, Micah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like a folk. Oh, yeah. Like a graphic.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Graphic.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sure.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I'd be cool with that.

[Isaiah Standback]

Welcome back.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, yeah, I'm. I'm fine with a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because that at least acknowledges it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'm fine with it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thank you, Micah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But a highlight package.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I don't know about, like a montage with a highlight video.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Jason Couch is back there cooking up a whole.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What I am good with splitting the difference. I. I could see it. Thank you. Graphic. And then let's play football.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm. I'm interested. What. Everybody. Because I know it's a split thought process over the Micah situation in general, but would you or would you not have a tribute? Put it in the comments right now if you're watching.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

And be clear. Is it a video or is it a graphic? Yeah, two very different things.

[Isaiah Standback]

Very different.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

And it's a graphic. It's Michael Lange on the sidelines.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We are such creatives that we're debating a graphic versus video.

[Isaiah Standback]

It's different.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

It is different.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, news and notes. Pat, what's going on with this team and what does the injury report look like today?

[Josh Rodriguez]

All right, Wednesday's injury report. We already know the expected being Tyler Booker and C.D. lamb. Neither of them participated, nor shall they participate for the foreseeable future. Tyler Booker will eventually be moved to ir, we feel at some point this week we'll see how they choose to handle that. Good news to Ron Bland continues to trend toward taking the field. He was back on practice. Yes. Back in practice yesterday and in a limited capacity. So he is ramping up. All signs point to him having a green light, as you know, long as there are no setbacks this week. The front office has said it. Schottenheimer has said it looks like he'll be a go to Kozy Bridges. He did pop up on the injury report with a knee issue, but limited. He did do some work yesterday, so it's not of major concern.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's good.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Um, but what's not good is Trayvon Diggs with his knee issue did not participate in Wednesday's practice. So here we are again with the possibility of getting bland back and then Diggs being sidelined. And that just seems to be a theme that the universe conspires against. Those two playing on the field at the same time for any extended period of time. Um, flipping really quickly to the Green Bay packers. They have a few did not participate players that did not participate. I should say it that way. The most glaring is Zach. Is it torn? Tom, their offensive lineman, their tackle, starting tackle, right oblique injury. He did not participate. I saw some reports yesterday that says he's going to miss this game. So in the event, which is going to be a perfect segue to because I looked at the rundown, in the event that he cannot play well, even if he does play, there's no reason to not have Jadevion Clowney on the field. In the event they're starting tackle, can't play. All the more reason to have Jadevion Clowney on the field.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

And he had that oblique the week before last. Whenever they're going to Cleveland and Miles Garrett did not help matters. No there.

[Isaiah Standback]

No.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

So may have reaggravated that or just made it worse.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Probably based on. And I know you guys want to see Jadavian Clowney play, but just based on the. The conversations that were had yesterday in the locker room, which confidence level he does play going into week.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

He's confused why he didn't play last week.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Speaking of split decisions, it's a split decision right now. Jerry Jones and Steven Jones have Both got on 1053 the fan and said they expect. They expect. Stephen Jones said yes. Jerry Jones said yes to the question. Shoddy is non committal, which I think is more so games machete. He doesn't want to reveal his game. He's holding his cards close my money on the table. Not allowed to bet. Okay, Roger, back off.

[Isaiah Standback]

Roger.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We're speaking, you know, terms. Yeah. If I were to put money on the table, I would say that Jadevion Clowney plays this game because what do you have to lose by playing him now that he's been here a couple of weeks to get prepared? You don't have a pass rush that's getting home consistently. You're staring at 1 in 3 start to the season in the face. You can't justify to me why he's not on the field. If he's not on the field, get.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Him on the field.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I think he. I think he gets on the field and Also, there's.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Let him cook.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You can feel that frustration bubbling beneath the surface because, like you said, he wanted to play last week. He was disappointed that he didn't. Yeah. I don't know if you want to pull that twice.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Yeah, Jim.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't know, Jim. Get him out there.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Get him out there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

How much of an impact do you feel like Clowney could make Isaiah when he gets back into the fold? I know we've talked about it a little bit throughout the week, but even just hearing the pause to put him in the game last week, does that mean we're still going to see him on a pitch count?

[Isaiah Standback]

I don't know. I don't. We haven't seen this dude since last year, so I have no idea what his conditioning level is like. I don't know how he's coming off the ball. We literally are going into this game blind with expectations from seven months ago.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

So, I mean, none of us know. Right? It's all hope and a lot of.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

The circulation, at least on social and, you know, who knows what his conditioning's at. But a lot of people are saying he's just not as big as he used to be.

[Isaiah Standback]

No, he's thin.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

He looks really thin. I mean, even Jesse Holly was saying he looks like a wide receiver.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I can tell you why. It's the conversation that he and I had right after he signed his contract. He said, and I mentioned it on the show, that the Panthers had him doing more coverage than he had ever done in his career, so he dropped 10 to 12 pounds in order to be able to cover better. Now he's. Look, he's trying to work toward getting that 10 to 12 pounds of muscle back. So as you see him right now, that's the answer for why he looks slimmer. But if his plan, every. If everything goes according to plan with the dietitians and the training staff, he should look a bit heavier three weeks from now. Right? So, yeah, but that explains why he looks a little bit more slender.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

My thing is, regardless of his condition, right now I want to see someone else besides Don. I just need to see something different.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Something else.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

James Houston and Jadavion Colony.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What are you looking at here, Isaiah?

[Isaiah Standback]

I'm just. Just.

[Josh Rodriguez]

James.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're being coy, Isaiah, today.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Why are you.

[Isaiah Standback]

I'm locked and loaded. I'm locked and loaded, buddy. We just don't. I mean, we don't know what clown he could bring. We'll find out.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We're trying to find out.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, we'll find Out. We literally don't know. Right?

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's.

[Isaiah Standback]

It's literally a crapshoot right now. We going off of history. That's literally. We don't have preseason, we don't have training camp, we don't have ota. We don't have anything to go off of. So.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Panthers tape from last year.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, that's mean. Which was good.

[Josh Rodriguez]

If he gives you five or six sacks over the rest of the season, it's a successful sign.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, absolutely.

[Isaiah Standback]

I mean, if we get the clowny that we've seen the last three years, then we're all going to be sitting here happy as all get out, happy as clams, but we don't know what we're getting. So we can go off of expectations, but that's literally all we have to go off of. It's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's one of those it's better than what we've got right now scenarios. Right? Or at least you think that if.

[Isaiah Standback]

We get what we've seen on film, we will be happy. Because what we've seen on film is aggressive defensive end that is, that is long and lanky, that sets the edges, that really pushes the defense. The offensive lineman back when he wants to get to the quarterback. He's relentless in his pursuit to get him. He is a guy that demands the respect of the offensive line. He's the guy who demands the respect of the offensive coordinator. You better put some respect on his name, otherwise he'll make you pay. If you put one guy on him and once he, if he has his feet underneath him and he is what he was, he. He's going to make you pay. So he's somebody that you have to adjust your pass protection to. He's somebody that the quarterback has to be aware of. So, yeah, if we're getting the old version of him from the last time he touched the field, then yeah, you'll be. You'll be happy. But we truly don't know. I don't think he knows what he's able to do right now.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

I think you would be content. You would be satisfied with the production that he gave you last year. If it is like just jumping back to what he did last year, you would be fine with that. But I don't think it's going to get you over the hump of like, oh, now you have this pass rushing defense.

[Isaiah Standback]

He has, he has.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

It will be serviceable.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He gets you a sack this Sunday, that's cool.

[Isaiah Standback]

But the thing is, like, he has.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He saved it for bold predictions, bro.

[Isaiah Standback]

He hasn't had a fuller if I'm.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Saving it for both.

[Isaiah Standback]

He hasn't had a full speed rep since his last NFL game. Yeah, even the practice that he's had here the last however many days, there's not a full speed rep because he can't go relentlessly to the quarterback.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

So he legit has not had a full speed rep so he doesn't know what he can do right now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's all up in the air.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All of it. You know what else is up in the air? Football. Because it's QB vision time. Micah is making his return. His homecoming of sorts. Micah Parsons to AT&T Stadium. Who's he bringing with him? Isaiah. Stand back Coy Isaiah here on this Talking Cowboys Thursday is going to break it down. When we come back, QB Vision right after this.

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

How's it going? You see that Cowboys game?

[Isaiah Standback]

Oh, I watched. Been seeing some good things.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Totally. They have some talent.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yup. Some great talent.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And they got some fight.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hoping this is the year.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Me too. Oh, I'm Cody, by the way.

[Isaiah Standback]

I'm Travis.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Nice to meet you, Travis. Go Cowboys.

[Isaiah Standback]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

Hey, can you. Hey, hon.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yes, I've got the finale ready to play. Here's your wine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Back to Talking Cowboys. Back here on Talking Cowboys, presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company. The official copy of the Dallas Cowboys. Love me some black Rifle coffee. Today's or this segment is brought to you by Invisalign, the official smile of the Dallas Cowboys as well. You know, they say when you have Invisalign, you're not supposed to drink coffee with your Invisalign because it turns them yellow. Yeah. You're not supposed to do it.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Here's the thing. I don't want yellow teeth. Of course not.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't either.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

But I also don't want the pearlescent white teeth.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Where it's like you look like you got the Chiclets in here.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

You know what I mean? You look like the Mask starring Jim Carrey. You know what I mean?

[Isaiah Standback]

That's what happens.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

It's like, I want to be a normal. A normal human being. I don't want to, like. It's just a scary thing.

[Isaiah Standback]

A lot of people are doing that.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

I know.

[Isaiah Standback]

It's terrifying. Have you seen the New wave? Now they're starting to give, like, diamond cuts.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

People's veneers. Yep.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

You know, I would do. I would fully replace my Teeth with diamonds. I would do it.

[Isaiah Standback]

What?

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Really go like full Little Wayne.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Yeah. Wouldn't that be such a like dichotomy?

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's got some diamonds.

[Isaiah Standback]

He got diamonds in his mouth. Diamonds.

[Josh Rodriguez]

When you're talking Cowboys, but like three bling blow.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Got the CD teeth. You know what I'm saying?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay. CDs teeth.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, well, talking teeth.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

I love that Kyle's just a supportive dad. Like.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, yeah, I like him. What you want to do? I do agree with you though. You can't have too wide of teeth. It's just. It's too much.

[Isaiah Standback]

Just bling blow.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Just a chill out a little bit.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

A shade or so.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Knock it down.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

I mean, you know, we don't got to go full.

[Isaiah Standback]

We're trying.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We're all trying to be people here. We're all trying to make it happen here.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

We're all human beings.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Talking dental plan.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

I will be getting both talks though.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know. You know what we are going to be talking about. It's a little bit of this.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Wide 80.

[Isaiah Standback]

Wide 80.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's time for QB Vision with Isaiah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Stand back.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Hey, guys.

[Isaiah Standback]

We're back. I'm excited. I'm excited.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

You're excited?

[Isaiah Standback]

I am excited, man. Listen, let's talk about it, okay? Let's. Let's call the spade a spade. Okay? We're playing against the number one defense in terms of points per game allowed, number one defense in terms of yards per play allowed, number one defense in terms of passing yards per play allowed and the third best ranked rushing defense in the league. Those are the facts.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Isaiah Standback]

You're playing against a very aggressive defensive team. Their defensive backs will come hit you. Their defensive line wants to get after you. Their linebackers want to get to the quarterback. Okay? These guys are very aggressive. They sort of. That's enough gas, okay? That's enough gasoline on there. On their little flyer that they have there. Let's. Let's talk about where they're weak. Let's talk about where they're curious. They're so supposedly the third best rushing defense in the league. I don't believe it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Exactly.

[Isaiah Standback]

I'm not a believer. I am not a believer. These guys are only allowing 64 yards per game. Not a believer. You know why?

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Why?

[Isaiah Standback]

Because their interior D line to me is. They're just not oppressive. They are not impressive. They miss somebody named KC and no, I'm not talking about fried chicken.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Kansas City masterpiece.

[Isaiah Standback]

No. Okay. Kenny Clark. Clark. Okay. They thought they can get by without Kenny Clark. They thought they. We don't need them. We got Mike, we got Micah coming in. They miss him. The reason why they miss him is because Kenny Clark not only can two gap and hold the Ford at the point, but Kenny Clark also wants to get vertical and get between your offensive lineman and get on the other side of your offensive line. Their interior defensive lineman that they currently have do not do that. They are true. Stand there, hold the fort. 2.2.2 gap. Guys that just want to push and bull rush, that's what they want to do.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

But they're not getting any actual push.

[Isaiah Standback]

They're not. They mean some. Sometimes they do, sometimes they do. But they're more vertical than they are anything. Right. So if you had to say my center and Cooper BB is out and my right guard is down to my third guy who is now TJ Bass and I'm missing my two starters there. The one thing I would want the oppo the opposition to do with their interior D lineman is what against Brock Hoffman and TJ Bass be bull rush, guys, please. That's. Yeah, that's the one area I actually feel comfortable and confident with those two. Those two gentlemen. So do it. That's all they can do. That's what their interior D lineman can do. So this 64 yards per game. Test that. Let's test that theory. I believe that the Dallas Cowboys can run for 125 on these guys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow.

[Isaiah Standback]

I truly do.

[Josh Rodriguez]

To quote the great king Leonidas who put their names to the test.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, I truly do. I. I truly do. So I would like to see that be tested. Now, what you don't want to do, what you don't want to do is you don't want to find yourself in passing situations on a consistent basis. You don't want to find yourself in second and long, third and longs behind the chain. You don't want to do that because the best portion of their defense is their front seven in their ability to get to the quarterback.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's right.

[Isaiah Standback]

They can do that. How do they do that? Well, they just have better guys than you. Let's just call a spade a spade. So you don't want to be in that position. Who do they have on that defensive front? Well, guys that you need to be concerned about. Well, there's number one. You obviously know about him, Michael Parsons, who has not been on every down guy for them, but he's been a rotation guy. Why is he a rotation guy? Because they have a number of guys that can play that position along with him is going to be. Let's Talk about maybe rashawn Gary, number 52, for those that don't know.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Kind of good.

[Isaiah Standback]

He's kind of good. He's kind of good. He, like, he likes to line up in not only 7 tech, a 9 tech. He lines up in like a 15 text. Yeah, he's way out there. Okay, so he, he's so far out there that sometimes he will come, get. Come off the chip from your tight end who is detached from the offensive line and still work his way all the way back to your tackle, who is then waiting on him. And it's probably giving too much, but if he's able to get to you, then you are spending way too much time in the pocket because that's how far away he's coming. The one thing that their defensive does very well that bothers me and concerns me about this game is they stunt very well. They move a lot in terms of responsibilities. They will take their tackle and run across the face of your center and your guard and challenge your offensive line's ability to communicate properly in terms of who's passing who off. If you can't pass off guys from defensive lineman to the next defense lineman and keep your eyes on your target and your responsibility, you're screwed.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It goes back to that teet stuff that you were talking about going into the Giants game and what happened in the Giants game, and where did they really challenge them? Now, Dallas was able to sort through it and they were able to put up points, so that's a good sign, for sure. But there were a couple times. I know Dak got sacked twice on an ET stunt at some point in time.

[Isaiah Standback]

The reason why this concerns me is because you are using your backups.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

You're using, you're using TJ Bass, you're using Brock Hoffman. Both of those guys are Maulers. Right. They want to get their hands on you. They want to exert their physicality on you. They're concerned, get a fight with you. They want to get in a fight with you. So if you're so concerned with getting in a fight and locking in with these interior defensive linemen that just want to bull rush, they're probably not coming off of those blocks and getting to the guy that's scraping over the top going to get dacked. That's my concern. So even though they don't bring a ton of pressure. Okay. I haven't even looked at the analytics. I've watched the film.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay.

[Isaiah Standback]

I, I stopped trusting. I stopped trusting the, the, the stat.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. You've got a You've got a bit of beef with.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, I got a beef.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Next gen stats currently.

[Isaiah Standback]

But they, they will challenge. They'll bring five sometimes, sometimes they'll bring six. But they don't like to oh, at all. They're secondary. This is a single high defense. These guys. Listen, I went back to the Washington game. These guys are single high. However, the difference between their single high and what we've seen from our defense in single high is their defensive backs don't allow guys to run by them without getting contact. Every person that runs past the second level, okay, that's your linebacker level. And if your defensive backs are at that level, they're walk down safety, whoever it might be, Nickelback, Somebody's putting hands on you, they're gonna bless you, okay? They're gonna bless you. Are they gonna touch your shoulder? They're gonna push you? They're gonna do something. They're. They are trying to get contact on you to knock you off of your timing and knock you off of your path. Okay? Your, your alignment. You're seeing wherever you might be. They don't want to allow you to just run free, so you expect contact. So when you start thinking about it from that context, your receivers have to play this game physical. That's why I'm concerned about this. From what I've seen from our receivers to date, we haven't put it on tape, okay? From what I've seen, George Pickens doesn't want that contact. From what I've seen Tolbert. Tolbert can get easily knocked around on what? This style of defense, Turpin and, and who did I say? I said. I meant Turpin. Turpin can get easily knocked around. Tolbert stature.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

That makes sense.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yes. Tobert to me is probably your. Your best option. From what I'm seeing on tape. From what I'm seeing on tape now, that could be completely different, but I'm talking about body type. I'm talking about willingness, ability to fight off defensive backs and catch, you know, catch the ball with somebody sitting on their back.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That capacity, it sure would be good to have Mango on the field.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, I hear that. As far as physics, I hear that, absolutely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But it's unavailable for at least another week.

[Isaiah Standback]

Last, last thing I'll mention here. Okay, guys, I work from the D line to the left, second level to now the third level. Cover three team. These guys want to keep everything in front of them. Them cover three, they'll play man to man as well. They don't mind matching up man to man because they Want to get physical again? As soon as you. You're supposed to only contact in five yards, they're. As soon as you get to five yards, it seemingly. That's when their hands become velcro. They want to get on your hip, they want to get on your shoulder. They're sticky. They want to play everything from back down. They're not letting anything get behind them. The safety, when you watch their safety, is unconcerned about what's going on in the backfield. These guys are sitting back 25 yards deep and they're keeping everything in front of them. Hardly ever will you see these guys turning and running backwards because their job is to keep everything in front as a safety.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

How about 33?

[Isaiah Standback]

Wink, wink. Yes.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

So their second level sinks. Okay. Very well. So they're. You're gonna be very patient offensively. You're gonna have to be okay with Dinkin and Duncan. Yep. The reason why they sink is because as the second left, they're going to cover three. Right. These guys will drift back. So now your linebackers, instead of them being at the 7 to 8 yard mark, these guys are really at the 10 to 12 yard mark. Safeties and corners are even than that. So you're left with the option of what, dumping it down?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Right. And if you try to wait for your guys to get beyond that 10 to 12 yard mark of the second level, not the third level, but of the second level, usually you run out of time because of what the edge rushers. Because of the rushers.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Incongruous to what you're saying. And it's. You've laid it out perfectly. This defense is structurally sound, especially the secondary. And I love that they're able to disguise their coverages. And when they do sit in a basic look, the offense is confused. It's like, wait a second, they've been disguising this all, all game long. And then when they set, you're like, all right, what are they going to do now? And then they just maul you. The key to that, like you're saying, is run the ball. Run the MF ball all day long. Javante Williams is going to be your X factor this week. We can say that in together, in unison. It'll be Javante Williams. You need to rely on him all game heavily. But my thing is Jake Ferguson is going to be another huge X factor. Like you're saying Dinkin and dunking. I am fine with those 15, 16, 17 targets that get you 40 or 50 yards. Those are Basically run place. The more you're able to do that, the more often you're able to do that. If you're doing that on first down and Javante Williams on second down, I mean the numbers are adding up. The math is mathing. You are able to get first down and keep Green Bay's offense off the field.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They're going to give you the middle of the field in between the hash marks, even an occasional seam from here from time to time. It's going to be there. Which reminds me, of course, Jake Ferguson of what he did 13 targets or 13 receptions on 16 targets last week for 50 yards. For 50 yards. That's probably what we're going to see again. Maybe they try and take one over the top and take the top off with, with Jake Ferguson like they've done in the past.

[Isaiah Standback]

Maybe.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But it's not just him. It's guys like Schoonmaker and Brevin Spam for. Because you don't want that wear and tear of over and over and over again. But then we heard Brian Schottenheimer yesterday in his press conference. He said he was asked about Pickens and the different role that Pickens is going to have now that CD Lamb's not in the offense. He said, I don't think the role for Pickens changes. I think the role for everybody else changes. He said, guys like Ferguson and Turpin and Tolbert, that's the guys. Those are the guys that are going to need to step up and fill in from production standpoints. So with that being said, I'm thinking Ferguson over the middle. Like if you're in a PPR fantasy league, I would probably start the dude. Cause it's just going to be bang, bang, bang, bang. And he already leads the NFL Entitlement.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Tell you what, if you want physicality, granted, you don't have Jonathan Mingle. You do have Ryan Floy, right? So he's, he's at right now. As far as the active roster is concerned, he's arguably your most physical. I wouldn't say toughest because I give that to Turpin because of size and ability to take those hits. But as far as physicality, I, I'd really ramp up Floyd there and I would also not shy away from 12 personnel though. We're talking about exposing the middle of the field. Let's get, let's get Brevin Span Ford and Jake Ferguson on the field at the same time with George Pickens.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Cool with that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You know what I mean? I think that's how you Start to exploit that defense.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think, I think Span Ford has earned more reps.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean, even the play that he had that got called back because of the holding game on the end of the game, just that one play was like, oh, wow.

[Isaiah Standback]

And you remind people.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm not saying wow.

[Isaiah Standback]

Remind people how big he is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

6 foot 7.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Also, earlier in the game, I can't remember exactly. Exactly what play, but he laid a block on somebody and then went looking, hunting and laid another block and put two guys on their back. Holy.

[Isaiah Standback]

I, I love the idea of 12 personnel. The reason why I love the idea of 12 personnel. I'm glad y' all brought that up because you want to impose your will. You want to impose your will.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

You, you know, to hold on to the ball.

[Isaiah Standback]

You know, they want to get after the quarterback. Yeah. Like, they're coming in here enraged, like, Micah, do what you do. That's what they want. Listen, go 12 personnel and move these guys out the ball. Have a 14, 15 play. Drive like, like do that consistently. And I, I think that you can. These guys are aggressive. Don't listen. This is gonna be a physical game. Yeah. Get freaking. Buckle up for getting the ice bath before the game, Red light therapy, all that stuff. Get your massages now. Acupuncture. Because this is going to be physical, especially at the line of scrimmage. And really out there, receivers, if you want to catch the ball, you're getting hit.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Isaiah Standback]

You guys are talking about trying to get to the seams. I don't believe this is a scene game. I really don't. Because. Because they're so physical at the second level and they do such a good job of squeezing their guys. If you try to get to the seams, you're. That safety is right there. It's not like our safeties. Their safety is going to be sitting right there in a position to knock your head off. Right. And their corner is going to be in there, too, because he's gonna be sitting in your hip pocket. So I do believe that this shallows, you know, I'm saying drive route concepts, little short things like that. That along with the consistent running game. If you're getting four yards of pop at the running game and you're getting five yard little chunks here and there with. With your tight end or shallow routes with turp or whoever. That's what I'm talking about. Sustainable drive. You had to wear these guys down because now you're taking their intensity and you're using it against them, you know, because they're going to be aggressive and. And you know, balls to the wall for that first little bit. And then it's like, all right, that's two first downs, you know?

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

All right. You know, it's like, what the heck's going on? How do we slow this down? Right? And then once you get to the 50, you got got points. You don't want to be kicking field goals, obviously, sure. But at least you in your head. In. In their head crap. They got points on.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You know what else you'll be taking ownership of time of possession, which keeps Jordan Love and that offense on the sideline. So let the clock play defense the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Way that guys teams played Micah in the past, where they go away from them constantly. Do you see Dallas doing anything similar to that or do you want them to go straight at him?

[Isaiah Standback]

I want to go at them.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think so.

[Isaiah Standback]

I want to go at him. There is a play if anybody wants to go back and watch. At third quarter of the Cleveland Brown game, 12 minute and 32 seconds. Running back for the Cleveland Browns, Quinshawn Jenkins literally goes out and destroys Micah. Destroys Micah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Angry.

[Isaiah Standback]

They pull the guard and pull the guard out to go block Mike on the left side. Quinchon junkins comes outside and runs through Micah's shoulder. Oh, my goodness.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, Micah didn't like that point?

[Isaiah Standback]

No, he didn't even point. He was on the ground.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Ground. No, I mean after he got up, he was.

[Isaiah Standback]

I don't. I didn't see that. The film went. It went to the next place. That's how long he was on the ground.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I was like, oh, so you mad at the guy for a dude?

[Isaiah Standback]

Listen, he ran through his whole soul.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He did.

[Isaiah Standback]

I'll bring it up for you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He took him off the ground, bro.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Now I haven't seen anybody on the Cowboys, dude.

[Isaiah Standback]

Oh, yeah?

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Oh, yeah. You hope so. But as far as physical physicality goes, I don't know that you necessarily have those guys that are going to go at them in that way. You hope. I mean, we're all here safe, thinking and idealizing Dallas being physical against his team. When you haven't necessarily seen the past, but you have a different look and you have Javante Williams, you've at least.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Seen flashes of it this year. I think there have been flashes of you being physical.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

When Devontae Williams has the ball.

[Isaiah Standback]

Correct.

[Kyle Yeomans]

When it hasn't been consistent, that's when it's been a problem. I thought they were physical against Philadelphia. They were physical in the second half against New York, they were physical in the first half, even after the fumble from Javante Williams against Chicago when they went from down 14, three to tied at 14 14. But the fact of the matter is is it hasn't been consistent. I would prefer it has not.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You have two backups, one at center, one at right guard. My concern there is pass pro. So instead of that, give it to Javante and make them go right downhill. That's what Brock down here, they want to do anyway.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

They want to fight. They want to engage. Let them clear lanes.

[Isaiah Standback]

You can move those guys. Yeah, let them.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Let them clear lanes like don'. The. No, no, no. Go eat and eat hearty.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

And a part of that, part of that is succeeding on first and second.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Chunky.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

You have to succeed on first and second. You can't put yourself. You cannot put yourself in that.

[Isaiah Standback]

And don't come out throwing on first.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Like, just, just don't get cute. Don't get cute.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Don't get cute.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Don't get cute.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Play physical.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We're gonna go ahead and take our second break. When we come back, it's time for some lab coat. What do you got?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh. We're going to talk about how just how important it is for the Cowboys to figure out a way, whatever it might be, whatever magic you might need to work, you cannot go down one in three to start the season. I'm going to tell you why.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Trying to get that magic roll in here with talking cowboys when we come back.

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[Patrick Nosey Walker]

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[Isaiah Standback]

Bring the Boom X boom.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

Nice.

[Isaiah Standback]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

Hey, hon.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yes, I've got the finale ready to play. Here's your wine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

Isn't it nice not having to ask?

[Isaiah Standback]

We think so.

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Isaiah Standback]

Welcome back into Dear doctor the show where I answer life's questions with an ice cold can of Dr. Pepper. Sheila, let's hear from an next caller. Would you? Dear Dr. My friend supported me during a tough time, but what's the right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Gift that says thanks for being a.

[Isaiah Standback]

Shoulder to cry on? Okay, this one's easy. I say give her a delicious Dr. Pepper. Nothing says thanks girl better than a one of a kind soda. Yes, any Dr. Pepper flavor will do. Now, just a reminder that I don't need to be a real doctor to know that Dr. Pepper is the one you deserve.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Isaiah Standback]

Yes, science.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There it is.

[Josh Rodriguez]

There we go. Science lab coat. All right, so let's Talk about starting a season a season record wise. Okay, so the Cowboys started off with an Owen 2. I'm sorry, a 1 and 2 record escaped against the Giants. Cool beans got whopped by the Bears. Not so cool beans. And here come the very pissed off Green Bay packers on the heels of losing to the Cleveland Browns. Very, very good Cleveland Browns defense as your defense is still trying to figure out how to get from the bottom. Third. I think they're third worst in the league right now. Yeah. Not great. Bob. NGB so here's the thing. Shoddy is saying all the right things. I'm sure the coordinators will say all the right things. Every game is a must win no matter what the record is. True enough.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Go one and O this week, however.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, go one and oh this week. Cool. That's what you need to do. Here's why. When an NFL team starts off at 1 and 2, they have 30% chance of making the playoffs. That's where the Cowboys are right now.

[Isaiah Standback]

Now.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay, not great. But it's, it's workable. Okay. If they find a way to go to 2 and 2. I don't care how you do it, just figure it out. If you figure out a way to shock the world and defeat the Green Bay packers on Sunday Night Football, your odds jump to 42%. A 42% chance of making the playoffs. Now you're flirting with 50, 50 at that point. As far as the odds are concerned, if you can just get to 500 at 2 and 2. However, if you lose this game and fall to 1 and 3, your odds of making the playoffs become 15%. 1, 5. You have a 15% chance of making the playoffs.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Since 15 out of 30.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No. Oh, 15 out of 100.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

That's not good.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah. Cuz your math wasn't math, but I know you did it on purpose. Yeah, only 15%. Since 1990, only 25 teams who've started 1 and 3 have actually made the playoffs. None of those teams have made the conference championship, their respective championship. So massive, massive difference. Nearly a 30 percentage point difference between starting 2 and 2 and starting 1 and 3. So again, coaches are saying all the right things. Players are going to say all the right things. They need to get on the field and do the right thing. Like Spike.

[Isaiah Standback]

I see what you did there.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Because otherwise, otherwise you might as well start at least getting the boxes out. Not going to say it ends the season, but Star dragon box. So this, this is the definition of a must win game. You gotta have it. And I saw someone on Twitter Made it. They made an excellent point. I don't know if I subscribed to it yet, but they made an excellent point. We talk so frequently about the Cowboys over the years and you know, when they play a Saints team was at a trap game and was the Bears a trap game? Is this the packers trap game?

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Certainly hope so.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Something to consider or was. And answer the question, or was that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The Browns game last week?

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, because of the Browns defense. They knew going in that the Browns defense was going to be a problem coming in to play the Cowboys. Especially on the heels of the Cowboys offense losing CD Lamb, Tyler Booker and struggling to score points against the Chicago Bears defense, the packers are looking at the Cowboys defense and offense and they might see to them. They might see lunch. Might this make that a trap game for the Packers? I'm just curious what the fans think, because somebody tweeted it to me yesterday and I sat back, I said in my very Josh Rodriguez voice, I was like, might this be a trap game for the.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Maybe.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Maybe.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Do you think it is?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Josh, I see what you did there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What's that you think it is?

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

I don't think it deserves to be one. I think you have enough juice on both sides to argue a win or a loss, at least for me. And selfishly, you know, viewing this from a Dallas Cowboys lens, you have to have this.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You have it.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

And this has been circled on my calendar since before the Micah trade. They have not won against the Green Bay packers at home.

[Isaiah Standback]

Home.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

That is a embarrassing stat. The fact that the last time they were here absolutely crushed your dreams. We were all there. We all witnessed it. It was one of the worst losses, personally, as a fan, I've ever seen. And to the organization, one of the most devastating losses because of the. The everything that fell after that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Still feel it to this day.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

You're still feeling.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Going into that game.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The aftershock of that game still lingers with you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

You need to get right no matter who's on the other side of the ball. I don't know if you're wearing a star on your helmet. I don't know how you don't play your best game against.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Leave it all out there, man. And this. This lab coat edition will be inclusive in today's Science Lab column that drops this morning on Dallas cowboys dot com. So make sure you check out that science.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Maybe it will.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Science.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Science.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Well, webmaster says maybe it will. I mean, he's a great chair dancer, so maybe if I just throw a little. Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You tried it was a good shot, good try at it. Were there such things as trap games in your mind, Isaiah?

[Isaiah Standback]

No. No.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There's games as a player that you.

[Isaiah Standback]

Are heavily favored and you can not take them as seriously, take them lightly.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But trap games, especially in the NFL, it's kind of tough.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosey Walker]

Because you know, all those dudes, maybe in college.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah. There's teams that you know you're much better than and you got to wake up and make sure you show up prepared. Otherwise they'll sneak up on you and you try to find your way in the middle of the game trying to, trying to snap into it and you might not have enough time. Right. So you gotta approach every game like it's, like it's brand new.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And that's exactly what we expect the Cowboys to do in a highly charged emotional environment on Sunday Night Football as the packers come to town this weekend. All right, tomorrow we will have have some say it with your chest Friday. We're gonna have some fun tomorrow. Got a couple things on the horizon. Got a little accountability there too, that we're gonna have in this matchup for you guys.

[Josh Rodriguez]

There you go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And a little bit of that too as we get our pickums in tomorrow. Say it with your chest Friday. You don't want to miss it for Patrick.

[Isaiah Standback]

No.

[Kyle Yeomans]

See Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from talking cowboys. We'll see you tomorrow. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Julian Edelman from Games with Names.

[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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