Talkin’ Cowboys: Big Picture, Big Picks

Summary

Talkin’ Cowboys: Big Picture, Big Picks

Dallas Cowboys Podcast – December 8, 2025
Host: Kyle Yeomans
Panelists: Isaiah Stanback, Patrick “No C” Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Chris Beam

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Episode Overview

On this “Marvelous Monday,” the Talkin’ Cowboys crew reunites after the mini-bye to take a wide-lens look at the Dallas Cowboys’ current roster needs and draft outlook, following a tough loss. The group dives into injury updates, debates draft priorities for both rounds, and has a lively, opinionated conversation about where Dallas should invest its first-round picks in 2026. Along the way, they pepper in college football bowl talk, notable quotes, and plenty of laughs.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Post-Mini Bye Mood & College Football Bowl Talk

• The show opens with banter about the weekend struggles: both the Cowboys’ loss and North Texas football woes.
• The team laments seniors missing out on college bowl games due to teams declining invitations.
• Kyle Yeomans: "Could you imagine being a senior with no NFL future? … that’s the opportunity that you’re missing from.” (05:34)
• Panelists agree: Bowls matter for fringe NFL prospects and the declining invites are unfair to those players.

2. News & Notes: Cowboys Injury Updates (08:11–15:21)

CeeDee Lamb Concussion

• Patrick Walker: “CD Lamb had ‘a good day’… Good news on the CD Lamb front.”
• He’s progressing through concussion protocol; optimism for availability vs. Vikings, pending full clearance.

Tyler Guyton & Jadeveon Clowney

• Kyle Yeomans: “My thoughts are that [Tyler Guyton] will be available against the Vikings.”
• Both Guyton and Clowney are trending to play. Clowney’s “already been worth the contract.”
  • Patrick Walker (re: Clowney): “If you were listening to Talkin’ Cowboys, you’d have heard that we said … he was ramping up.” (12:29)

Trayvon Diggs

• Trayvon Diggs’ 21-day practice window is open; there’s a “better chance” he plays vs. Minnesota. He’s eager to return but needs medical clearance.

3. Main Segment: Cowboys’ Big Picture Draft Priorities (15:32–33:04)

Ground Rules:

• They hold picks #15 (their own) and #28 (from the Packers).
• Key contributors—Pickens, Williams, Clowney—are on expiring contracts or one-year deals.

Panelist Draft Priority Picks:

Patrick “No C” Walker:

• DEFENSE: Defensive end, cornerback (CB)
• OFFENSE: Wide receiver, if Pickens leaves
• Wants a large, Clowney-like DE (with pass rush/run stop skills)
• Quote: "You need another larger defensive end that has the pass rush ability." (17:45)
• Controversial: Would use a first on WR to be “unstoppable” at the position if Pickens isn’t re-signed.

Chris Beam:

• Focus: Secondary (Safety, CB), then Linebacker, then Tackle
• Modern DC wants a safety “who can cover, not just go downhill.”
• Notes the Cowboys haven’t spent real draft capital at safety since Donovan Wilson (6th round, 2019).
• “You need a dog at safety. 100%. You need a guy that can cover…” (22:50)

Isaiah Stanback:

• Defensive priorities: Linebacker (C.J. Allen from Georgia), Defensive End
• Prefers to build “front to back” on defense (“get dogs up front”)
• Disagrees with early WR pick if Pickens remains; prefers DE and LB for first-rounders.

Kyle Yeomans:

• Sees WR as set if Pickens stays: "I would argue you’re already dominant at wide receiver." (20:31)
• Suggests tackle as a potential pick—contingent on Terence Steele’s situation and faith in Guyton’s availability.

4. Draft Strategy Philosophy: Where Should Dallas Spend Premium Picks?

• Walker: Prioritize positions tough to acquire in free agency (CB, DE, OT). Safety/LB can be found on market or later in draft.
• Isaiah: “Build from the front back on defense.”
• Chris Beam: If Eberflus stays, a high-end safety is a ‘must get’.

Notable Exchange:

• Walker: “Teams don’t get rid of corners, don’t get rid of D-ends, don’t get rid of tackles…if you have first round equity, use it [there].” (27:38)

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• Lively banter on caffeine overload:
  Isaiah: “This is 300 milligrams.” (01:56)
  Patrick: “Cheers.” (02:00)

• On bowl game opt-outs:
  Kyle: “Ask Joe Schmo, the second-team linebacker….[He] doesn’t get a chance to play ever again.” (04:47)

• On backup/scouting philosophy:
  Patrick: “If I’m a GM, I want to be unstoppable at something. If one of my guys goes down, it doesn’t matter.” (21:30)

• On Terence Steele/Tyler Guyton:
  Patrick (voicing concerns): “I have questions about his drive and mental.” (36:54)
  Isaiah: “No, for me, mine is the inverse. I have concerns about the availability.” (37:00)

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Key Draft Prospect Names & Descriptions (46:43–53:16)

• WR Denzel Boston (Washington): 6'4, 210; red-zone/deep threat, compared to Odunze but with less burst.
• WR Makai Lemon (USC): 5'11 burner, “slot mismatch nightmare.”
• DE David Bailey (Texas Tech): 6'4, 250; powerful, 13.5 sacks in '25.
• DE Mateo Uyangalalei (Oregon): 6'5, 270; big frame, lower 2025 production.
• DT Darrell Jackson Jr. (Florida State): 6'5, 340; “big, burly” run stopper.
• DT Dante Corleone (Cincinnati): 6'1, 335; highly regarded, “stocky presence.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [08:11] – Cowboys’ injury update: Lamb, Guyton, Clowney, Diggs
• [15:32] – Dallas’ draft needs discussion
• [21:30] – WR depth and “dominant” unit debate
• [27:38] – Walker explains draft value by positional scarcity
• [36:54] – Tyron Smith/Terence Steele/Guyton long-term fit debate
• [46:42] – Draft prospect segment: names and fits for Dallas

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Overall Tone and Takeaways

Lively, candid, and sometimes argumentative—but always rooted in Cowboys passion. The hosts agree that defense (DE, LB, secondary) is this roster’s biggest area of need, but debate lingers about just how “set” the wide receiver group truly is and whether Dallas should go all-in for a dominant unit. Injury returns (especially Clowney, Lamb, and Diggs) should help, but the future will hinge on draft decisions at difficult-to-find positions.

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Quick Panel Guide

• Patrick Walker: Prioritize rare talents (DE, CB, WR if Pickens leaves); wants to be “unstoppable” at a spot.
• Chris Beam: Safety is top priority, plus CB and possibly more OL help.
• Isaiah Stanback: Beef up defense “front to back”—LB (especially C.J. Allen) and DE.
• Kyle Yeomans: Offensive line is a sleeper need, depending on contracts and faith in Guyton/Steele.

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Notable Closing

• “Let us cook!” – The crew relishing the bonus content day and promising a return to regular segments and fan calls the following episodes.
• Isaiah closes with: “So restructuring and taking a pay cut are two different things… gives the player more liquidity up front!" (52:08)

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For those who missed the episode: This installment is a perfect primer on where the Cowboys stand roster-wise going into the final stretch, with passionate (and sometimes polarizing) draft discussions from trusted insiders—and a glimpse at names that might headline Dallas’ 2026 draft class.

Transcript

[Kyle Yeomans]

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The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. How about them Cowboys?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Go Cowboys.

This.

[Kyle Yeomans]

This is talking Cowboys streaming live from the Dallas Cowboys world headquarters at the Star in Frisco CD Lamb touchdown.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

It's on.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Jake Ferguson. Prescott keeps it and he bangs it in for the touchdown. And now your hosts, Isaiah Stanback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans.

It's a marvelous Monday edition of Talking cowboys presented by Black Rifle coffee company live from the Star in Frisco, Texas in the SWBC studio. Welcome in, everybody. We've got the whole cast and crew ready for you to rock today with Patrick no see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Stamback, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman. So glad you're with us. Come on in. Let's talk a little bit of Dallas Cowboys here on this Monday. Hope you guys enjoyed the mini buy. Got to sit back, relax.

[Chris Beam]

Was lovely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Just ready. Yep. Oh, we're all doing it together.

[Isaiah Stamback]

That's crisp. That's crisp. Where's she at? Come on in the chat. Come on in the chat.

[Kyle Yeomans]

ASMR Girl, you did too. Which is controlled.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

It wasn't me. It was the cat, dude.

[Isaiah Stamback]

That's.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

It was the one armed man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

This is 300 milligrams.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Cheers.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Triple shot espresso.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Cheers.

[Chris Beam]

Bless you, fellas.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Caramel vanilla.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Gotta get it on a Monday.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Hot chuckle.

[Chris Beam]

Oh, hot Chalky, as he calls it. Outside of he calls it. He's not on the air. He says I gotta get these.

[Isaiah Stamback]

My not allowed on the second floor.

Because gangster.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That black rifle. Espresso. 300 triple shot caramel vanilla.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's really good.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

It's really freaking good.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah, it is.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

300 milligrams.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hope you enjoyed your mini buy. Got to just sit there and smolder in the loss that happened for the Cowboys on Thursday. I mean, it was not a good sports weekend for your boy. It was not a good sport and.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I recognized the shirt and everything. Yeah, yeah. We were talking about it upstairs. I'm sorry, bro.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's okay. I'm going straight from here to introduce the new head coach.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Seriously?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Like, I'm in. I'm in. Seeing the whole press conference. Got a one on one and doing the whole thing, like so.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah, that's cool.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Did you fully commit? You were the draws in the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

In the. I've got the green drawers. I. The socks are still dirty and I had to leave them in the.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You only have one pair.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Somebody.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The lucky pair.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Somebody saying lucky. Some North Texas socks, please.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, wasn't a good weekend. Thursday didn't go our way. Friday definitely did not go North Texas his way. Georgia, congratulations. Y' all. Kick some butt.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Thank you, man. I wasn't going to do too much. Pretty impressive. You guys are mourning right now. And just out of respect for that, because I was going to bring them.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Could have gone to Oxford.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I was going to bring them down, but. But yeah.

[Chris Beam]

No, Art school is still under litigation, so. It's been a rough week.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Hope for the victory.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

UWS going to the Gronk Bowl.

[Isaiah Stamback]

They.

[Chris Beam]

Are you serious?

[Isaiah Stamback]

Well, at least you didn't back out of it like, hey, you're in a bowl. At least you didn't decline the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Whoa, I hate that.

[Chris Beam]

Shots at Michigan and Notre Dame.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, Michigan's in a bowl.

[Chris Beam]

Oh, Notre Dame.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Michigan's in the cheese it bowl again.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Like seven.

[Chris Beam]

The cheese Bowl. It's fine. No, I meant like seven or eight.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Other teams as of last night had declined invitations as well.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I hate that. Man. Could you imagine being a senior with no NFL future?

[Isaiah Stamback]

That's my problem with.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Protest is inconvenient for everybody. Kyle.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

A protest isn't. Isn't going to be convenient for everybody.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What do you mean? What do you mean somebody.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Somebody's going to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, I know.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah. But. But I'm with calumnies.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, it's bad.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I don't disagree. But when a stand has to be taken, somebody's going to catch the bear.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know what stand Notre Dame is taking that they are upset that they didn't get in.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I think they're them along with probably other universities. I'm surprised Texas is. It's not protesting.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, somewhere other universities came out though.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Or have losing records and they're declining.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was. It was Notre Dame and byu. Those were the first and second.

[Isaiah Stamback]

These protests aren't actually equal.

Notre Dame is protesting the playoff for sure. Enough that they're, you know, join a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Conference schedule, a better schedule. Don't just play who you want to play and then immediately pout when you don't get in. That's my thought. Get over it. I, I, with his barbs, man. Like, I hate it for those guys. Like, and I'm sure Coach Freeman has his reasons for it, but it's stupid. It's just dumb to take that opportunity away. And it's going to be a good bowl game. It'd be like a borderline New Year's six bowl game and Notre Dame's just like, nah, we're good. Like, ask Joe Schmo, who's the second team linebacker who spent all those summers and all those days working, grinding, studying film for the one opportunity that he gets the chance to play. And even if it's in a bowl game and the starter doesn't play, he does. That's, that's the opportunity that you're missing from.

[Chris Beam]

Career's over now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Opting out.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's done. The next job he'll have, other than playing football at Notre Dame, is sitting behind a desk nine to five and he doesn't get a chance to play that ever again. And he never will. All of a sudden, the last game he ever had was in week 12 and he had no idea that that was his last game in the moment. So I, I can't.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

He might hook up, he might start early. He might work at 8 to 4.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Maybe, depending on what, what place you're going into. Like, I work 7 to 11 sometimes. Like p am to pm but 7 11.

[Chris Beam]

Sponsored.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I think I just sponsored.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What was that?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

So I think I just threw away our bold gift from. Yeah, no, I'm saying you do remember those gifts, though. That's, that is an experience.

[Isaiah Stamback]

No cow spitting.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sorry.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Hot fire.

[Isaiah Stamback]

No, no, I'm with you.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I'm passionate about passion, bro.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I really am. And I think it's bad for the school.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

What do you think that they are going to get accomplished by taking this stand?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Nothing. Zero.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Zilch.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, they're College Football playoff committee, so sayonara. We made our choice.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You lost to Miami, where it's like, oh, this is the beginning of the end of bowl games. No, it's not. Yeah, it's not. Because bowl games make too much money.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

They got to. How many losses did Alabama have?

[Isaiah Stamback]

Three. Who got in? Yeah, three.

[Chris Beam]

Who's in the Pop Tart bowl this year?

[Isaiah Stamback]

Oh, Alabama shouldn't be.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I don't know.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I got to ask, I think somebody, one of the teams, declined the Pop Tart Bowl.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Did they really?

[Chris Beam]

How dare they?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I believe so. I wonder if there's politics.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Feel free to correct me and mention. But I think someone, someone declined the Pop Tar Bowl. Because I remember seeing one of the. A couple of my followers respond to that tweet. I was kind of doing multitasking.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Follow. Yeah, because they're.

[Isaiah Stamback]

They're mine. I mean, if they also follow you, then they're yours as well.

[Chris Beam]

I got a few.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

All right, buddy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We got to get in the news. James.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Christ, he's messed up my whole.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I know. He just.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Sorry.

[Isaiah Stamback]

For example, the Birmingham bowl, they're trying to find someone to play Georgia Southern. They've had, like, four teams decline the invitation. So to your point. Yeah. And to your point, that sucks. And then you're going to have a guy like Joe Schmo or a guy who's right there on the bubble as far as, you know, draft status, draft stock.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They need one more opportunity, one more.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Game, and maybe this game is the opportunity for him to shine. And he goes from an undrafted free agent to maybe a seventh or sixth round pick. So those opportunities for those guys are not going. So I'm with Kyle on this. If your message is, you know, you want to end bowl games, there's a different way to go about that without sacrificing God. Guys who have sacrificed for your program. I'm with Kyle on that one. So now news and notes.

[Chris Beam]

College football right here.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Kyle Spitball.

[Kyle Yeomans]

BYU and Georgia Tech are in the Pop Tart Bowl. That's actually a really good game.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Oh, nice. Okay.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Super good game.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah. Georgia Tech. We did this to you, Bama. We did this to you. So let's talk news and notes for the Dallas Cowboys. First and foremost, or primarily, I should say, injury status for some key guys.

Good news.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Oh.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Oh, okay. So CD Lamb had the very, very scary concussion that he suffered in the Lions game.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The more I go back and watch that, it's.

[Isaiah Stamback]

It's scary. It's. It is. I thought it's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

When we were watching in. In real time, we thought it was a shoulder thing.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He was like, yeah, it wasn't great, but it was because of the lockup Angers.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah, it was pretty terrific.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There's another angle that I saw after the fact.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I didn't like.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Not great. Now, I will say two pieces to this one. In seeing CD get on the charter flight, he would. He looked fine. He didn't need any assistance getting his bags up the staircase into the charter flight. So again, I say this on Twitter when I gave that update. I am not saying that CD Lamb is okay to play football today or yesterday or when I gave that update. What I'm saying is that is positive progress from seeing him lock up on the field after hitting his head on the turf. True. Okay. That being said, now we go to the second part of it, which is the team's purview of it. CD Lamb had, quote, unquote, a good day. This is per Brian Schottenheimer in his press conference on Friday, I believe. And he said that the team, quote, unquote, hopes the next couple of days should help. Now add to that, Jerry Jones on Friday spoke with 105. 3 the fan and he said CD Lamb is, quote, unquote, headed in a good direction. I'm sorry, this was. Stephen Jones headed in a good direction towards likely playing. But again, NFL concussion protocol is an independent decision. So two things are true. Good news on the CD Lamb front. He has made a good bit of progress. Looks like he's mostly out of the woods when it comes to his concussion. However. However, he still needs to go through the benchmarks to make sure that he's cleared. He is on track right now, but there is no one that's going to make that decision except for the independent. But good news for CD Lamb. Put a pin in it though. We'll see if he's ready for the Vikings. Looks like he will be. We will see. Absolutely. Tyler Guyton. Let's talk about the guys who missed the game. Okay. Tyler Guyton, Jerry Jones told 105 through the Fan on Friday. He said, quote, my thought, my thoughts are that he'll be available against the Vikings, end quote. Like to hear that about Tyler Guyton. So there you go. What's wrong with Isaiah?

[Chris Beam]

Isaiah's always on something.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

This guy.

This 270 degree vision, it messes with me at times because I see his expressions. I see everything.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Facts, court vision. What we call it in the hood. Court vision. So Tyler Guyton is on track to play to a return against the Minnesota Vikings on this coming Sunday, as is J. Davion Clowney. And I am of the opinion that the Cowboys really missed Jadevion Clowney.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I am too.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Detroit Lion.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Isn't it wild how much impact he has made?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, you mean a big physical defensive end that can pass rush and stop the run.

[Chris Beam]

But I thought he was washed, Kyle. That's what everyone was saying.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's what everyone said.

[Chris Beam]

That's what everyone was saying.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Not on this show.

[Chris Beam]

Not on this show.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Not on this show.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I will say the amount of impact that he has, he's provided for this team is exactly what you wanted. Oh, my gosh.

[Chris Beam]

We're not even done with milligrams in 11 minutes.

[Isaiah Stamback]

No wonder.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Just the party going.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's insane.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

The.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The fact that you signed him off the couch in the middle of. What was it, week two or week three.

[Isaiah Stamback]

He's about to go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Get out of my.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You're going to have to hit him like one of your triplets.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I know I'm about to.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You're going to have to.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Hey.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Continuing Jadavian Clowney, the impact that he's had in terms of numbers, production, film, veteran ability, all of that is why you signed him. And I think he's already been worth the money and it was. He's already worth the contract 100%.

[Chris Beam]

And it happened long before the Thanksgiving game. I think that's when people were giving him a lot of credit. After the two sacks.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He was always there.

[Chris Beam]

He was always there. He was always making a mess out of the line and being able to disrupt. But I think you saw it more so in that Thanksgiving game where people say, oh, yeah, David Clown, he's the man. And of course you miss him the very next game, which sucks. But he was. He's been doing it since.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I feel as if you were listening to talking Cowboys. You would have heard that. We said, the analysts sitting here, that watch film said that he was ramping up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He was ramping up.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

He needed a couple games to get under his belt.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Right.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Started off slow, but by the third game, he was having a true impact.

[Isaiah Stamback]

His training camp was in real time, like in. During the regular season.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Same thing's happening for Savone Rebel right now, by the way.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Louder for the people in the back, please.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Also happening.

[Isaiah Stamback]

We. We'll get to that because I. I gave the rook some grace on that touchdown and I was like, that's been rough.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But it's get.

[Isaiah Stamback]

He didn't get depth.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Going to take some time.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You can't. You can't get teaching reps in games. What are you talking about?

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's the only thing every rookie gets.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Teaching reps in games. You think they. All right.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Why are you being.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Boy. Isaiah, it's not time to talk. It's not. But he. He's been bad, but we anticipated him to be bad. It's the first. He's coming off of a major injury.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Oh, my God. It's a rookie coming off of a tornado Clown. Isaiah should be, quote, ready to go against. I'm not. I'm not going there with him. And he's 300 milligrams in. Let's just.

[Kyle Yeomans]

This.

[Isaiah Stamback]

This is Shakes.

[Chris Beam]

Snip.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

It in the butt up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I gotta get on the same.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Let's just let the shakes go away. First. Genevion Clowney is, quote, ready to. Will be ready to go against Minnesota barring any setbacks. That is per Brian Scheimer. That is very definitive news. So as long as Javion Clowney has clean practices this week and the Cowboys are finally back on a normal week in a normal schedule. Finally.

[Chris Beam]

I like it.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Okay, so they'll be back on the practice field on Wednesday for two weeks.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And then stop it.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Be where your feet are.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah. All right.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Try not to look that far ahead. Cause eyes tired, boss. Eyes tied.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That short week's gonna be hard.

[Isaiah Stamback]

And last, but certainly not least, Trayvon Diggs. He returned to practice, had his 21 day practice window open a couple days or so before last week's game. There was good optimism that he would play in that game in Detroit. He did not. However, he was rude inactive. He was not activated to the 53 man roster. There's a better chance of that happening this week. But word has it Trayvon Diggs wants to play.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Where has it?

[Isaiah Stamback]

Trayvon Diggs says he's ready to play. But they have to say he's ready to play. They being the medical staff.

[Chris Beam]

So he wants to play.

[Isaiah Stamback]

He wants to play. So, I mean, as all athletes and competitors would want to do, you kind of get tired of sitting on the sideline. Even if it's due to injury, you get tired of sitting on the sideline. So we will see how this week's practice goes. Better chance of returning this week against the Minnesota Vikings. We will see if that comes to fruition.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

How long has he been out?

[Isaiah Stamback]

This is five weeks. That'll be five. Five games.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Got you.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Six weeks.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Six weeks.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because he had the bye weekend.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Got you. Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

But at least he worked out with the team in the off season, right?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Y' all are so petty.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's really just Isaiah.

[Isaiah Stamback]

It's really. It's 300 millies in.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

All right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I got a draft question for you guys, please.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, I already starting to draft Kyle. What the heck?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm not there yet.

[Chris Beam]

Come on, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Every time we lose, I can't get drafted. I know. Sorry, dude. Every time we lose, my mentions are.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Start the draft show.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Get the draft show going.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Might as well fire it up, like, get it going. Trust me, I love the draft show as much as anybody, but no. One thing I will ask though is at this point in time as we kind of evaluate post bye week, four games Right. We've got a better sample size now following the bye week three and one on those four games going into the mini buy. Now, as you get ready for Minnesota coming up on Sunday, where do you feel like the needs are on this roster on what you have right now? And keep in mind, a lot of this is going to change because there's first round or one year deals or expiring contracts on the board for a lot of significant players. George Pickens, Javante Williams.

Jadavian Clowney, who we just talked about a little bit. Multiple guys are on one year deals right now or expiring deals for that matter. So you currently have the 15th overall pick in the NFL Draft. That's your pick. Then the packers pick is slated at 28 right now. Of course that's going to change based on the playoffs. So where would you use your first round picks if the draft were tomorrow? So keep in mind that there are going to be some changes, but if the draft were tomorrow, where would you try and add to this team?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Does that to be an order?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Doesn't have to be in order.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Okay. Defensively I'm going dn. I'm going cornerback. Offensively, I'm going wide receiver.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. So those are your three.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Those are my three.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You got two first round picks. Just you're thinking best player at that spot.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Then you need a, you need a, a bigger defensive end that, that has a, that can do what JV and Clowney does. Right. But just substantially younger. So you need somebody to fill that role. I think Donovan Ezraku is going to be a, a good pass rusher in this league. But I don't for his, his frame. He'll fill out.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, right.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

But I think that you need a bigger presence at.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's more of a speed guy.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Exactly.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

So I think you need to utilize him as a speed guy and you need another larger defensive end that has the pass rush ability. So that's something that I would like to, to see. I would also think that you still need a, a cornerback. I don't. I, I don't. We'll talk about Trayvon. I think that you're going to need a replacement there. I also think that you need a wide receiver because I don't foresee them bringing back Jalen Tolbert. And I think that you need somebody that's dependable behind.

CD Lamb.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sir.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Potential George Pickens.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That may not be the. If it's. If you don't.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Are you really gonna do this to Flournoy?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

No, no, no, no. Flanoy's there, he's there. But you say it's just. You just roll him a three.

[Isaiah Stamback]

No, what I'm saying is. Because your statement was you go and draft a wide receiver in one of the first two picks.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yes.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Because Jalen Tolbert is probably leaving.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

No, no, no, no. Listen what I'm saying.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You see what I'm saying?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Like, listen to what I'm saying.

[Isaiah Stamback]

That's what I'm saying.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If you know what I'm saying, Pickens, then I'm down.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Right. Listen to what I'm saying.

[Isaiah Stamback]

That math is math.

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Okay.

[Isaiah Stamback]

That math ain't math. Okay?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

So again, this is where we disagreed on the defensive side of things as well. Right. When I said that you're closer to being dominant at the. At stopping the run, that's why you'll get interior defensive line.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You're right about that.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You're closer to being dominant in what portion of your game? On offense.

[Isaiah Stamback]

On offense, yes.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Offensively, you're Dom. Passing. Yeah. Passing game, for sure.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Okay.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

So, I mean, I, I can get along with a. With a tackle as well. Right. I can get along with that, but could very. Get along very, very much. So get along with it with a tackle. Wouldn't be opposed to that. However, if you. You're really close to be. If you can get one more dominant wide receiver who, who can stop that. So that's. That's what I'm saying. Like, yeah, like, I'm all about. If I'm. If I'm. If I'm this close to being dominant, if I'm this close to being dominant and damn near unstoppable at 1. One particular position, I want to get there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I would.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I don't. I don't want to. I don't want to be right there and then pull back and say, okay, now let me go try to fill it. Let's solidify that. Because you might be one trade, you might be one free agent, you might be one of those away from being solid at your other positions.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

But if you can push the. If you could push it over the edge and have three dominant wide receivers. Dominant. I'm not saying that Flournoy can't be in there, but I'm saying you're not putting him in a dominant conversation and you don't have George Pickens sold up. And I think that if you, even if you go into it and people say, well, we could just franchise tag them, you think you're going to get the best version of George Pickens on a franchise tag?

[Chris Beam]

I'd argue. I'd argue if your tackles are getting bull rushed by premium edge rushers, you're not gonna be able to get to them.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I don't disagree with that. That's why I said I'm on board with a tackle. Yeah, yeah. I'm on board with attack, but I don't know the whole salary cap situation. I know you got money tied up. You're not getting rid of guidance. You got to figure out a way to get some dog out of him. All right, you got Terence still on his contract that you guys gave him.

[Chris Beam]

Right this.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Okay. So that might be a position on the. If there's a guy there that's dominant, then cool.

[Chris Beam]

My. Kyle, go ahead.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I was just going to say, I would argue that you already are dominant. Dominant at wide receiver. I would argue if it stays this way, if it stays with George pick and you were able to.

[Isaiah Stamback]

To.

[Kyle Yeomans]

To shore him up going into 2026, I would argue you're already there. So to spend a first round pick on it makes no sense. However, and I get what you're trying to say, I 1,000% agree.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

We just saw. We just saw what happens with CD when it get out.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Ryan Floynois stepped up. That's what we saw.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, we did.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Not the first time, but done it either.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

No, no, no. Not at all. And I'm saying that that's solid. But are you fully comfortable and confident moving forward knowing that that's your. That's your guy?

[Isaiah Stamback]

Did you see what happened the first time CD went down? Assuming that you retained your absolute.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Listen, I'm not saying that he's not somebody who's a good player. What I'm saying is you get somebody you have on a contract for five years and he's dominant. Yeah, dominant. Not.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Not good. Maybe dominant.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If there's no George Pickens, I'm in. I'm totally in that. If George Pickens is there, I'm. I'm gonna say most.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

And so my whole thought again, I knew we can. We can differ on this.

[Chris Beam]

Of course.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

My whole thought process is if I'm a gm, I want to be unstoppable at something. Unstoppable. If one of my guys go down, it doesn't matter when three of our. Our guys are out there. Name a team that has a three headed monster at receiver.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Nobody.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Really? Nobody. So why not be the first?

[Kyle Yeomans]

You could probably argue maybe the Rams.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Maybe. Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Like go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Sorry.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You're.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're two guys.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Two picks.

[Chris Beam]

Two. Two picks. First two. I mean, I kind of have to spread it out to three different positions I'd like to address. First, you have to be defense for me, safety and cornerback right now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, you're going secondary. Secondary, yes, absolutely.

[Chris Beam]

That for me is most important. Linebacker would be in there as well. But like we just talked about, you kind of changed my mind a little bit on tackle. I would love to see another tackle coming here again, you know, Nate Thomas. We saw the sample size. We've, I mean, we've seen the good and the bad from Nate Thomas this year and he's on under contract. I mean, I would love to see how he progresses if he, you know, if they decide to let Terence Steel walk and maybe possibly give that spot to Nate Thomas, I think that's in question. Right?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

But for me right now, you need a dog at safety. 100%. You need a guy that can cover. That isn't just good at one thing because your defensive coordinator right now is basically telling you, I need a guy that can cover.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I need a safety.

[Chris Beam]

I need a safety that can cover. Not just go downhill. I need a safety.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Need a dog at safety. Agreed. You also need a dog at linebacker, and that's an entendre.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, you got an eye on. You got an Eye on one.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Hi, C.J. how's it going?

[Kyle Yeomans]

C.J. allen.

[Isaiah Stamback]

How's the family?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Everybody from Georgia?

[Isaiah Stamback]

Everybody good? C.J. allen's absolute monster. And I, I think that he'd be right there in that window for that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That from what it'd probably be the late first round.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah, yeah. Early second right there. And if, and this is not, this is not just bias talking, admittedly there are. Somebody's here. But if you've watched CJ Allen play and he's, he's one of the more cerebral players in the country. He's arguably the best off ball linebacker in the country. He's the best tackling off ball linebacker in the country. He's sidelined to sideline. He's hair on fire. I have these, to borrow a phrase from Jerry Jones, I have visions of sugar plums dancing in my head when I picture CJ Allen and Marvion overshone in the middle of that defense. Good God, man.

[Chris Beam]

Well, congratulations, Philadelphia.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He'll be there.

[Isaiah Stamback]

So I'm going line. I'm going linebacker for my first two picks. I'm going linebacker and I'm going.

Defensive end. I can see that. I'm going offensive.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I love the big defensive.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah, I'm going defensive. And, and Josh makes great points. Isaiah makes great points. I don't necessarily agree. I don't agree with the wide receiver point at all. I do agree with the de. Yeah, no, I agree with the defensive end, the wide receiver. That that math is just not there for me. And I'll get to that in a quick second. But I'm on record time and again as being a guy who wants to build the defense front to back. So the way you positively affect safety and cornerback play is you get the dogs up front, you get the dogs, you get after the quarterback. So you have a deficiency at defensive end. Instead of blowing past that and saying, well let me get a high end safety, go and get a dog up front, go drop a dog in the middle. So DE and linebacker specifically CJ Allen is going to be my pick.

[Chris Beam]

I think that the mentality is there for safety in that the Cowboys haven't necessarily valued safety at a high position so far in the draft or a high pick. I mean, so if you have two first round picks, then it's at that point you're willing to take a chance on a position like safety because you also have another first round pick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, do you know the last time they've drafted a safety period, like at any point in the draft?

[Chris Beam]

No.

[Isaiah Stamback]

J.J. wilcox.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's not that far back.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's still on the team. He's Donovan Wilson. Six round 2019 in the sixth round was the last time Dallas drafted a safety of any kind.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So you talk about not valuing safety. I find it hard to believe they would, they would put first round draft.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Capital typically go sixth like it's, it's frequently six.

[Chris Beam]

I understand that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's where I think like a fourth round pick might be as high as they're going to go. And they have one. They don't have a second or a third, but they have a fourth round pick to where maybe that does play a factor because I agree with you. I think they should invest in the safety position because they need a dog. But unless you're going to get a Kyle Hamilton or Jalen Petrie or some of these guys that are next level impact players in the first round, I don't see doing anything like that. And even then I think they would be hesitant.

[Chris Beam]

The argument though is that if you are Matt Eberfluss and you are staying on this staff and because they've talked about consistency, they want to keep consistency in the defensive coordinator position or else you're going to get the fourth coordinator in a row on defense.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that'd be wild.

[Chris Beam]

If you're Matt Ebervlus you're saying I need help. I need help at safety. This is a glaring hole in our defense right now.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

This is my ideology. All these things are needs, correct?

[Isaiah Stamback]

Absolutely.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

So the way in which I.

[Chris Beam]

It could be any of these.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I'm down when I have my GM hat on which I'm not getting paid for that. Obviously I look at if I have high draft stocks. Right. Draft equity.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

What positions are more difficult to find on the free agent market?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

What positions are harder to acquire?

[Chris Beam]

I forgot we're using for agency now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

What, what, what? Well, I'm sorry, but like we'll see.

[Chris Beam]

But I'm dead serious.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

But like also, what positions are harder to acquire from other teams? Yeah. So I don't disagree at anything that you guys said in terms of positional needs, but when I think about first round draft equity, what positions do I need to acquire that I can hand select that would be difficult to find from another team or from sitting at the crib? Yeah. Safety teams are willing to get rid of safeties or there's. It's easier to find safeties. Linebackers, we've invested heavily in linebackers. Yeah. And. And I think those are. Linebacker, no disrespect to the position are easier to find.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Right.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

But there's a lot more.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You've rotated that position the last three.

[Chris Beam]

Or four years, was in a free agency pickup.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

So there's. The linebackers are easier to find. Safeties are easier to find. Corners.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Right.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Teams don't get. No, teams don't get rid of corners.

[Isaiah Stamback]

No.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Teams don't get rid of DNS. Right. Teams don't get rid of offensive tackles. So these are positions, these are positions that is going to be very difficult to, to acquire from another team that if the player is worth anything. And it's going to be difficult to find on the free agent market because teams always value those positions. So I'm saying if you have first round equity, use it to go acquire those positional needs that you cannot acquire from other people. And then safety, there's going to be some of those guys laying around. Right. Or linebackers, there's going to be those guys laying around receivers. I hear what you guys are saying. Teams aren't giving up solid receivers.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Right. They're just not. Teams aren't giving up big defensive ends that could pass rush and. And teams aren't giving up tackles. You're just not getting a guy that you're expecting to come in and be a premier contributor at those positions really quickly.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'll say I got to get. We got to go to break. I'm sorry. Let's go to break. We can continue this conversation on the other side of the break when we come back with more talking cowboys.

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[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Oh, I watched.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Been seeing some good things.

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[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I had mine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Isaiah Stamback]

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[Patrick Nosi Walker]

My homegirl used to call me that for track.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Looking like Tigger.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Really? That was.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That was my nickname.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah, you sure had a T in it, right? Stop it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Stop it.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

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[Isaiah Stamback]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick Nosi Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

I feel like.

[Isaiah Stamback]

That was your best comeback ever.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Ever.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm in shock.

[Isaiah Stamback]

That's how you heard that Millie got him. He got him up going.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We're gonna have to do this every show or never again. Oh, brother. This guy stinks.

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

All right.

[Isaiah Stamback]

That was a bar.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We were having a really fun draft conversation prior to the break where we're talking about team needs and where the first round picks could be utilized if the season were to end tomorrow. But also keeping in mind that a lot of these contracts are going to turn over in the off season and free agency is going to happen before now. So very preliminary draft conversation. And of course we were talking about the possibility of defense, heavy defense in those first two round or two first round picks. Then you've got Isaiah talking about a possible wide receiver. I wouldn't mind an offensive lineman. But again, you can't use a first round pick on an offensive lineman every year, can. I mean, you could, maybe you Should. But there's conversations to be had there.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You got two of them on there right now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You were going to make a point.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah, I was. Prior to the break for, for the wide receiver because I let Isaiah Cook. He put his ideology out there. I understand. And there's definite and proven science behind that ideology. As far as, as far as extrapolating for positional argument. Right. But when you look at it from a personnel standpoint, currently I am of the mindset, I'm just going to assume the Cowboys, at minimum they're going to franchise tag George Pickens. Now you pose, you posed a question.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And.

Could tag Brandon Aubrey too.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Just sign the kicker. I'm just sign the freaking.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I agree.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You franchise tag 145 million and we'll talk about this more once we get closer to free agency and the tag deadline. I'm of the belief they'll tag him. If they need more time, I think it'll be to purchase time till mid June, late July to get the deal done. I don't think their goal will be for him to play under it. So that's to answer your question when you said, do you think you get the best version of George Pickens? I don't think you will be able to deal with it. Right. But that being said, I think George Pickens remains in Dallas because the front office isn't going to let him leave. We know we have CD Lamb and then you got Flo who's showing you he can be 100 yard receiver in any given game. Those are your three. Right. So from there, this is why for me, that math doesn't math, but that math math. So when Kyle is saying, well, if George Pickens is not in a Cowboys uniform, oh, I'm, I'm. Then I'm with you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You need that guy and I'm with you. Yeah, but five years first round pick.

[Isaiah Stamback]

On a wide receiver with CD George and flow staring you in the face. You don't use a first round pick on a receiver just because you lost Jalen Tolbert potentially.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

So for that I'm just talking about just filling up.

[Isaiah Stamback]

No, I get what you're saying. So that, that's my only argument there. But as far as like tackle, they. We need to see what they want to do with Terrorist Steele because there's a possibility. I mean there's, there's a version in the multiverse of the Cowboys where they let Terence Steele walk and they move Tyler Guyton back to right tackle. I think, I think. But that still doesn't change the Fact, whether you move Guy into right tackle or leave him at left tackle, you're.

[Chris Beam]

You're still getting the answer.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I have, I have belief in still. Like, I truly do.

[Isaiah Stamback]

No, I'm not saying I don't. We're speaking hypothetical.

[Kyle Yeomans]

See, and I feel the same way about Guyton. Like, I have belief in Guyton too. I think he, he's still, he's been hindered so much.

[Chris Beam]

I think the contract is harming Steel at this point because you have that potential out and the contract is too large.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I think that they're looking at it completely different. But I, I have faith that, that Steel has enough in him to go out there and be productive, like, to be a solid right tackle. Like, I, I don't see his game falling off in a, in a, in a way in which you're like, ah, yeah, it's time to, it's time to move on. I have concerns about Guyton. I do have concerns about Guyton. And it has long term, has nothing to do with the physical, has everything to do with his mental.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I was gonna ask. You answered the question. I was gonna ask. Is that player or is that availability?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

It's player.

I have questions about his drive and. Yeah. And mental.

[Isaiah Stamback]

See, for me, mine is the inverse. Like, I don't have concerns about the mental. I have concerns about the availability. Just simply.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's where I have my concerns.

[Isaiah Stamback]

This is his second year, but how many times, how many games has he already missed?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I can't speak, Speak to a man's health. I can't. I can't speak to whether or not he is healthy enough to play.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You can speak to that he has been injured.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I can speak to things that I've played through, and I can speak to things that former teammates have played through. I think they're. I believe. I don't know. Right. I'm not him. There's certain things that I've seen him have to come off the field for that. I believe that other people might have stayed on the field for that might.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Be worth the conversation.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That's my. Again, that's not me. I can't feel what he feels.

[Isaiah Stamback]

That's what I was going to say.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

But I'm just looking, I'm looking at it and I watch him and I've seen him at training camp and I seen her. I don't know that up here he has that I'm a. I'm a dog mentality. I think that the guy next to him absolutely does.

[Kyle Yeomans]

When you're in the training table, that's a difficult.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

It is. It's just perception because you just don't know. Yeah, you don't know.

[Isaiah Stamback]

And different pain tolerances, similar injuries. Right, so that's what I mean. Like, no, pain tolerance can be mental, but it's as much physical as mental. I mean, it just. It's a mental. It's.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

It's a mental in this sport.

[Isaiah Stamback]

It's a mental Pain tolerance. Is pain tolerance rather be sport, but.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Mentally, you decide whether or not to push through it.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Ask me if my tattoos hurt. No. Seriously?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

No. Because.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Right, so there are people that have a bunch of ink like I do, and they'll tell you to be like, oh, no, it powerful. They'll say, oh, no, it doesn't hurt. And they might be telling the truth. Some people are lying stuff. Okay. They'll be like, oh, it doesn't hurt. Maybe they're telling the truth. Maybe the pain tolerance is a bit higher. My pain tolerance is a bit lower. So although I have a bunch of tattoos, every one of these sons hurt. Yes, Right, Agreed. But I push through. I get what you're saying, but the point being is that it's both of those things. It's both mental and it's the physiological makeup is what I'm saying.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Next time you're in the training table, I need you to stop your buddy from the training staff that you're really tight with, and I need you to sit them down and ask them that question. Because I want to know. I really do.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Because if.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If anybody's going to know it, it's going to be the training staff and it's going to be the guys that work with him and rehab with him all day, every day, through the off season, through the season.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

All we can do is we're just.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Seeing it from the outside. So you don't know what the severity of the injuries are at all. So I think it's unfair to write him off because I can't.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

All I could do is say, hey, from what I see, if I was building a team, sure, I would have questions about his ability to push through.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because the availability has been a problem.

[Isaiah Stamback]

It has in counterpoint, both in training.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Camp and in season.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

It's not even just now. It's not even just an injury thing for me. Yeah, it's like injuries happen. It's not just an injury thing for me. It's just how I've seen the approach to the game. It's not consistent enough for me to be protecting your most valuable asset on your team.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, no, no. I think that was well put by all sides. It's hard to know what he's facing. You know, you're not him. And I think that's a great idea to kind of reach out and see basically what the coaching staff thinks of his progression so far. But you can't deny that availability has been a concern for him regardless.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Right.

[Chris Beam]

This conversation is kind of moot because he's been so inactive and unavailable.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah. For the first reason or the other.

[Chris Beam]

For one reason or another, I think it was tough to have him in the last few weeks of training camp out with that injury. Thank goodness he came back from that and was able to play. But at least for my purview, I don't think the concern is there. And you have him under contract for the next few years. You have to see how he develops. For me, it's, it's right now it's Terence Steele and where you go from there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. All right, let's take our second break. When we come back, we've mentioned a lot of positions. I've got some names for you guys. You want to see if we can maybe like sprinkle in some names, craft names. In my early prep.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Sprinkle me, man.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Isaiah's like, you know, I don't know nothing about that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I've got a U Dub guy for you though, so you should be excited when we come back with more talking cowboys.

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Back Here on Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company. This segment is brought to you by Invisalign. The official smile of the Dallas Cowboys with Patrick Nosi Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Stamback, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans with 300 milli bajillions.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Of.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Black Rifle Coffee Company. Vanilla pumping through our veins here on this Monday morning. Having a good draft conversation. Just because we have an extra day, we'll get back to game day stuff tomorrow. We are going to take your calls again. I know it's been a while this Thursday games have really backed us up a little bit in terms of phone calls, but we're going to have a talking Tuesday tomorrow and then it's back to the normal schedule. Wednesday we'll have QB vision. Thursday we'll have lab coat. Friday we'll have get your popcorn.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

If I had a piece of paper up right now, it wouldn't say that. This does not mean that we're, you know, we're going to the Super Bowl. However it does, it would say that just because we're talking about this does not mean that we're feeling as if we're out the playoffs.

[Isaiah Stamback]

No, you know, we just want to.

[Chris Beam]

Talk about the Vikings. Five days.

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[Isaiah Stamback]

What are we doing is if we were using this bonus day. Bonus day.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

It is a bonus day.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You're using this bonus day to talk about the playoffs. Then we'd have a bunch of laughing face emojis in the chat.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Playoffs.

[Isaiah Stamback]

This team is about. What are we talking about?

[Kyle Yeomans]

The playoffs. Honestly, like you've got to have a lot of things go right anyways. However, this is just a draft day conversation because we've got an extra bonus day sprinkled in of content.

[Chris Beam]

We want to have the conversations we are not typically permit, not permitted, but.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like have time for.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, we typically don't have time.

[Isaiah Stamback]

We love you family, but let us cook.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You're gonna get all your segments this week.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Facts.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Let us all of them.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Including.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Including qbv. There you go. Popcorn ready and lab coat. And the college football hour.

[Isaiah Stamback]

In the chat, we said the word playoff. As soon as we said the word playoff. Jack Burton said, please, season is over.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yep, there we go.

[Chris Beam]

Can't win.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thanks, Jack.

[Isaiah Stamback]

So let us.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, I've got a couple names for you guys.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Isaiah, you said you wanted a wide receiver. Would you. Would you like a big bodied wide receiver that can be a red zone threat or would you rather. Oh, you want a slack guy? Well, I have a big body wide receiver from Washington just because he's a U Dub guy and I wanted to throw his name out there. He's probably a late first round middle, first round pick. His name is Denzel Boston. Six foot four, 210 pounds. He's had 19 touchdowns over the last two seasons. Red zone threat. And he's also a deep threat as well. Averaged over 14 yards per reception throughout. Not a ton of burst off the line of scrimmage, but still a guy that can. I mean, he's. He's quick. Yeah, he reminds me a little bit of a former Washington whiteout in Romeo Dunes, but I think Odunze has a little bit more burst than this guy does. He's more of an.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I like the fact that he's from uw.

[Kyle Yeomans]

However, I don't want that guy.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I want a guy that. He's a mismatch nightmare for any nickel that decides to step on the field. Field. If he's a mismatch nightmare for a nickel, he's a mismatch nightmare for a linebacker and a safety. Anybody else that wants to walk out there? Not saying that he has to stay at slot. Yeah, but I'm saying I want a guy that you put at slot. And it's like crap.

[Chris Beam]

Give me a. Give me an example. Not that we're talking about trading or anything.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Let's talk about. I mean, obviously this position has kind of changed and evolved over the years, but you gotta remember I play with guys like Julian Edelman. I play with guys like Wes Welker.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Okay.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Guys like that, that you just can't. You can't guard.

[Chris Beam]

Kyle. Is anybody like that in the draft?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I'm looking at Jordan Tyson from Arizona State. Five or six foot one, one, one nine five. I mean, he's kind of. He can be an X. He's more of like a CD than he is like a quick.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I want a quick guy. Quick first 10 yard burst guy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let me look up this guy. Makai. Limone or Lemon? One of it's spelled Lemon L, E, M O, N. But it's either Limone or Lemon. He's from USC. I haven't watched him yet, but he's 5 foot 11, 195, and it looks like he's a burner.

[Isaiah Stamback]

There we go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let me look. I'm looking at his.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Because think about it from this perspective, right?

[Kyle Yeomans]

1200 yards receiving, 79 receptions, 11 touchdowns, and he's averaging 15 yards per catch.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I like that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So there's that.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That. I like that. I like those. Because if you have to resort, if you have to revert to. To our guy Jake Ferguson being Mr. Chip and Flat. Then you still need a guy to work the. Work the middle.

[Chris Beam]

I kind of like this though. Can we, can we name a, a player type or characteristics that we like of a player? And Kyle, you give a. That's the best compromise in the draft.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I don't have like the wide range of guys yet, but. All right, keep going.

[Chris Beam]

Draft expert over.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Hey, hit him, Beamer.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Dude, it's this.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Come on, Kyle, give me some time. Oh brother, this guy stinks.

Give me, give me a spot. Let me see if I can find one. I do have an edge rusher that I can give us a big deal.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Let's go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

David Bailey from Texas Tech. This dude's a monster.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Monster. Describe a monster.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Six foot four, 250 pounds. Just nothing but. Still nothing but straight strength and power at the line of scrimmage. I would like a little bit throwing guys around. Yeah, I like him. I think he. I think you'd like him too. He can grow into that six foot four frame too. Yeah, it's 13 and a half sacks at Texas attack.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I would like a little bit larger defensive presence. I feel, I feel as if that's what Ezra Rock is going to be.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, okay.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You know what I mean?

[Isaiah Stamback]

You don't want redundancy.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I don't want redundancy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So what are you thinking, like 260?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I'm thinking like 6, 6, 265, something like that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Mateo Uyala Lay.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Oh, Polly.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, yeah. Edge rusher from Oregon. Six foot five, 270 pounds. That works. Doesn't have the production this year. Only five sacks. Only has 28 tackles, but yeah, yeah. Where's number 10 for Oregon? You can see him in the College Football playoff.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Take a look at him. I don't like those numbers.

[Chris Beam]

Number 10, Kyle, give me a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hasn't really done a much.

[Chris Beam]

Give me a Walter Nolan type.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I love that. Some tackle or big defensive tackle? Yeah, give me a little bit. Talk about why you would want a big defensive.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, why you want another tackle?

[Chris Beam]

Are you kidding? You kidding me?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Another one? You have three high price tackles right now.

[Chris Beam]

It's already a strength and just making it better.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Push it over the edge.

[Chris Beam]

Push it over the edge? I don't know.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Is that what you're saying right now?

[Isaiah Stamback]

I don't know.

[Chris Beam]

Just like your mentality in terms of.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wide receiver, some point you can't play them.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

We just become best friends.

[Chris Beam]

But when you have to rotate them out. Kyle, guess what? There's no drop off.

[Isaiah Stamback]

That might push your guy Perion out.

[Chris Beam]

I like Perry, but has he touched the field yet? Come on man, what are we doing?

[Isaiah Stamback]

So then how.

[Chris Beam]

Activate.

[Isaiah Stamback]

How's the rookie going?

[Chris Beam]

Activated, bro.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Exhibition.

[Chris Beam]

Give me more activision.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Daryl Jackson Jr. 6 foot 5, 340 pounds. Florida State. Or you've got Dante Corleone.

[Chris Beam]

Dante Corleone?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Six foot one, 335. He's a little more stocky.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

They're not getting attack out of Cincy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's out of Cincinnati. Yeah, I don't think so either. But you want, you wanted a big burly defensive tackle.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Those are probably early quality word.

[Chris Beam]

I just, I don't know if Clark's contract is going to make sense after this year.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Whoa, 2020.

[Chris Beam]

I mean Jerry Jones says absolutely we're going to keep him for sure. But I mean the cap hit next year is insane.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Well, if you, if you go to, if you go to my piece that I wrote on that on the dot com, please. Then you will see that Kenny Clark's contract, you restructure it and it's very, very friendly.

[Chris Beam]

If he wants to restructure it, he has no choice.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

No choice.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Restructuring and pay cut are two different things. Restructure is a baked in mechanism that is something for teams to be able to use to free up cap space. It doesn't affect the cash flow to the player. It doesn't affect. If anything, it gives the player more liquidity. Liquid. More liquidity up front. So they get more cash. They get cash sooner. Liquidity. You said burley. I said liquidity.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's a real word.

[Isaiah Stamback]

That's actually real work.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. I learned something new every day.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Gotta.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They can smell fresh cash.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

So.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah, straight cash, homie. So. Yeah. So restructuring and I know a lot that's. I'm glad you brought that up because so many fans think that restructuring and taking a pay cut are two different things. So it's like Google just confirmed that for you because I told you it would work.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That is a word. The availability of liquid assets. Assets market.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I hit him with that.270.

[Chris Beam]

So it doesn't have to be the $20 million cap hit that we're.

[Isaiah Stamback]

No, it's not. It does not. And, and Kenny does not have to agree. He's not going to disagree. That's why it's, it's not a mechanism that players have to agree on because it doesn't negatively impact their, their income at all. If anything, it pushes it forward. Yeah, it pushes some of the money forward for them.

[Chris Beam]

So I like that money.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Done. All right, that does it for us here on Talking Cowboys. We are back on our normal schedule starting tomorrow.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Wait a minute. We're going to talk Cowboys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We're going to talk Cowboys. Talking Tuesday. Tomorrow. We are.

[Chris Beam]

We're talking to you, maybe.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, we're talking to the family tomorrow. Playoffs. 888-855-229-788-88-552297. Tomorrow.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Too many eights.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah. I almost lost it again. All right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

For Patrick, no see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from Talking Cowboys. We'll see you tomorrow. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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