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Patrick No See Walker
The.
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Kyle Yeomans
Following is a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. How about you?
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Patrick No See Walker
Cowboys. Go Cowboys.
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Kyle Yeomans
This is Talking Cowboys streaming live from the Dallas Cowboys world headquarters at the Star in Frisco.
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Tommy Yarish
CD Lamb Touchdown.
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Patrick No See Walker
It's on Jake Ferguson.
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Kyle Yeomans
Prescott keeps it and he bangs it into the touchdown. And now hosts Isaiah Stanback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans. It's a mundane Monday version of Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company live from the Star in Frisco, Texas in the SWBC studios. Welcome in everybody. We've got Patrick no See Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Tommy Yarish with Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. After the Cowboys fall to the Denver Broncos 4424 the final score in Week 8, it was not pretty, it was not good. And I said this on the post game shows last night, but there are just some days when you don't have it and you don't play very well. There are some days when you beat yourself and penalties play a large factor. And then there are other days where the talent on the other side, you just aren't, aren't as good as, and I think yesterday was a combination of the three. You weren't as good as the Denver Broncos. Even when you had the opportunity to play better. You probably didn't. You didn't execute the same way that you have at different points in the season. And then if all of that fails and you were finally executing penalties, shot you in the foot. Nine penalties for 80 yards. Much of that happening in the first half.
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Tommy Yarish
At least they weren't self inflicted. Right?
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Kyle Yeomans
They were all self inflicted.
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Tommy Yarish
Oh, okay.
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Kyle Yeomans
That's how penalties work a lot of the time.
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Patrick No See Walker
Cool.
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Kyle Yeomans
Yeah, I saw that one too. But it was just not a good day. Dallas falls to 3, 4 and 1. Season's not over yet. But as Jerry Jones said yesterday, there is a long way to go with this football team. You played a playoff caliber team yesterday and you saw how you stack up against the playoff caliber team. And I'll start With the gentlemen that were. That were there yesterday. Patrick Noi Walker. I'll let you start. It was not pretty in the Mile High city.
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Patrick No See Walker
It wasn't. AO Beamer, do me a favor. Cue up that old brother Sounder real quick.
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Josh Rodriguez
Oh, no, it's because I'm here, isn't it?
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Kyle Yeomans
No, it's not that. We love having. Oh, brother, this guy stinks.
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Patrick No See Walker
That applies to everybody, with the exception of maybe CD Lamb and George Pickens. They did their best. Javante Williams. He did what he could when he was given the opportunities to do what he could.
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Kyle Yeomans
Only 13.
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Patrick No See Walker
Yeah. Only 13 opportunities. And unfortunately, none of those opportunities came in on that first drive when you were, you know, second and gold third. Okay. Yeah, I'm thinking of. I'll give shouts out to Jacquesi Bridges for that interception. Initially.
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Kyle Yeomans
Yeah.
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Patrick No See Walker
To set up the. The Cowboys offense to go do a thing, but, I mean, I just named less than a handful of people that actually kind of deserve some credit. Everybody else stole some money yesterday from the Cowboys, and I'm talking coaches, too, so. Yeah. Stole some money. Yeah, yeah. Free check. I do respect what Shotty said, because, you know, Shotty got up there and he said I was not very good today. He said, Matt Eberfluss was not very good today. Clayton Adams was not very good today. I mean, when you stink up the joint like that, I mean, they absolutely got trampled by the Broncos. There's. There's nothing nice to sprinkle on it. Right. It's just a pile of what it is, which is horse crap. So I don't. I mean, the Cowboys don't know who the Cowboys are right now. So when you asked Dak Prescott the question last night, you're three, four, and one. What's your identity? He's like, our identity is inconsistency. Perfectly said because that's exactly what it is. And, Kyle, you pointed everything out perfectly in the. In the. In the prelude to this, which is, you know, you knew that the defense was probably going to struggle based upon the sample size of everything before. You hope they could replicate what they did against the commanders, but you kind of felt like they maybe wouldn't be able.
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Chris Beam
Yeah.
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Kyle Yeomans
But you figured you had a little bit of hope.
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Patrick No See Walker
Yeah, a little bit of hope. Yeah. But you just knew that the offense was going to show up.
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Kyle Yeomans
We tried to say it last week.
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Patrick No See Walker
You just knew they were going to show up.
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Kyle Yeomans
And everybody was saying, what was the term last week that was brought up? Glazing.
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Tommy Yarish
Yeah, yeah, yeah. People said that we were glazing.
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Patrick No See Walker
When we were Broncos, how good the Broncos defense, we tried.
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Tommy Yarish
We literally tried to tell you that this is what could definitely be the case. I mean, we previewed it on Friday, talking about how stout their defensive line was and how they were going to be able to stack the box against the run game. And basically, you know, my thought process was if Javante Williams isn't able to get or just a run game, not necessarily just pinning it on Javante, but if the run game isn't able to get going in the first two quarters, the game is done. Yeah, done.
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Patrick No See Walker
And what really killed.
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Tommy Yarish
And you lost by halftime, by the way.
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Patrick No See Walker
Yeah, you did.
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Kyle Yeomans
And seven, 10.
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Patrick No See Walker
There's something that correlates here. You basically lost by halftime. Most of those penalties were in the first half. In the first half. Oh, okay. You had a couple of those that killed the first drive and then it just kind of went from there. And then on the defensive side of the ball, you had penalties that extended drives and then created situations where they could get a chunk play down the middle and then run for an explosive touchdown on the ground. The very same drive in which you could have been off the field and three and out. And then you look at just schematically so personnel wise, the execution was. Was horrible. Schematically it wasn't there either because here you are again. You got guys getting wide open touchdowns. Here we are again. You turn down the man coverage. Here we are again. You only blitz, you know, 24% of the time, less a fifth of the time. Which correlation. You only got pressure on Bo nicks 24% of the time.
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Kyle Yeomans
It's not a lot.
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Patrick No See Walker
That's not a lot. So whenever you blitzed, you got pressure. Whenever you didn't blitz, you didn't get pressure. Okay. And you weren't stopping the run. Okay. Over 400 yards, almost 270 yards allowed in the first half alone with those four touchdowns. Ball game, pass the sticks, man.
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Tommy Yarish
At one point, they were averaging nine yards a carry.
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Kyle Yeomans
At one point, Denver was.
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Tommy Yarish
Denver was.
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Kyle Yeomans
They brought it up.
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Patrick No See Walker
Despicable that just.
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Tommy Yarish
You don't win games that way.
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Josh Rodriguez
They're averaging 13 yards of play at one point, too. Yeah, look, you know, I just don't think that this is a great football team, to be honest. Yeah, I think that, you know, defense, obviously, it's either say that defensively because they're so shorthanded, but you know, offensively, they. They can do really good things. And. And that's kind of the heartbeat of this team. And that's where their identity, if they even have one lies is, hey, we can go and kind of score points and move the ball down the field offensively. But even still yesterday I thought they missed some opportunities. Patrick touched on the first drive of the game. You've got second and goal from the one. Javante Williams was the one that got you down there. I think he picked up three yards from the four. I think Brian Schopenheimer maybe got a little bit too cute trying to throw the ball into the end zone. Sure. You know, they've run the slip play action plays really well and it's worked. But I think that's one where, look, Denver is a really good line of scrimmage team and Dallas had a chance early to kind of punch him in the mouth and say, hey, we're here to play and we're here to play physical. And I think they missed the opportunity to do that. And then after that is when you kind of just saw things start to snowball with the, the pre snap penalties and the procedural penalties and just way too much undisciplined play from a team that is in week eight. And you don't know what your identity is. You can't find any sort of consistency relatively outside of the offense. And it's just bad. It's just not great football. And you know this team, the thing that is worrisome is this team has good players and a lot of those good players, granted didn't play yesterday defensively because they're injured. But the fact that there is no remedy and no consistency is concerning and it brings up a lot of questions. I know the trade one has been a big one and how do you go out and trade? No, no, no, I don't think you do. I think yesterday, Shizzy, and I've said this from the jump, I don't think there's one player. And we talked about this on talking Cowboys. Was it last week or the week before?
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Kyle Yeomans
Two weeks ago when they, after they lost to Carolina, we talked about it.
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Josh Rodriguez
There is no one player, there is no two players, unless you get to all pros at their respective positions that can trade, that can change this defense for this season. I think you look at this and you say, okay, the season's not over by any means, but you hold on to those two first round picks and maybe even try to sell some guys here at the deadline and try to gain some more draft capital and look to build through the draft. I think in today's NFL, building through the draft is a way to win Super Bowls and the Cowboys have now two drafts coming up where they've got four first round picks. And that is a war chest of picks that you can use to completely change this defense. You don't have to use all of them on defense, but you can change everything about your franchise through these next couple of drafts. I know it's a difficult pill to swallow, especially when we're sitting in the present and we're talking about the future. Right. But right now, this is. This is not a team that I think is going to contend for the super bowl, even the playoffs. Yeah, I think that that is. That that is a big stretch. But once again, you know this offense is going to be something that can keep you in games, but if your defense can't find any sort of footing or identity at all, it's just going to be ugly.
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Tommy Yarish
And I liked what Tony Romo was saying. I mean, not that I liked those words. I just liked how he brought up that in. They kept referencing the 2013 game, you know, Romo versus Manning, and how the offense was able to put up 48 points and lost 51 to 48. And that being a sort of perfect amalgam for what's happening now with the Dallas Cowboys where the offense is just so good. Granted, they didn't play very good yesterday.
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Kyle Yeomans
Yeah.
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Tommy Yarish
But that was a large part into what the defense was doing. And then of course, the penalties that kind of got you in that position. But for me, the game was lost. You know, your defense makes a play and puts you in pretty great position to go get a touchdown and you are able to muster up three points out of that drive that could turn the tide for you in that game and set the tone for the rest of the game. To me, that is a huge step back in the aggressiveness that Shoddy has taken so far this season. And he's been conservative at times, but I think overall he believes in his team. And I think yesterday was sort of indicative of their belief in what Brock Hoffman is able to do at the. At the point of attack. I think there was a severe lack of confidence in what he was doing because you saw it. Every opportunity was getting moved, he was getting moved around. And for good reason. They didn't have the confidence there because the Broncos bruffin.
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Chris Beam
Whoa.
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Tommy Yarish
Broncos defensive line was so good, but at so many points are like, Javante Williams can certainly gain these three yards.
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Kyle Yeomans
I think you guys all bring up great points because the pass rush gave problems to Tyler Guyton gave problems on the interior to Brock Hoffman. He had probably his worst game of the year. Maybe Carolina, which there's a little bit of a coincidence there. Those are probably two of the poorest offensive performances that you've seen throughout the year. Even elite offenses have down games and they had a down game. They just did not match up well.
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Tommy Yarish
We talked about time to have a down.
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Kyle Yeomans
It was a terrible time to have a down game, but they had a down game. You talked about the opening drive, I'm thinking, and when I went back and watched it this morning, the, the drives at the end of the first half were infuriating to me because even if you look at Denver, interception, touchdown, touchdown, punt, touchdown, that sounds like they're dominating. They really weren't. It was 20 to 10. Dallas had the football with three minutes and change 347 when they took over. You go down the field there and you score, you're within three points, you're close to the end of the first half. We'll see what happens at the end of halftime. But even if Denver attacks on a field goal there, you are within a touchdown to start the third quarter.
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Tommy Yarish
Yes.
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Kyle Yeomans
If you go down in that area, that portion of the game, you're within a possession at halftime, more than likely. And you get the football to start the third quarter instead. What happened? You go three and out, you pump the ball away. What does Denver do? They drive down the field, they get a touchdown before halftime. So then they go up 27 to 10. Oh, and you've got, hey, you still got the football. You've got, what was it, 39 seconds, which we've seen. As long as you get Brandon Aubrey in field goal range, you can make it work even in the elevation in Denver, Colorado, you can get in field goal range, kick a field goal, you're good. Completed a couple passes early, got right at the edge of what you would be willing to try with Brandon Aubrey. And then you try a deep seam over the middle of the field to Jake Ferguson into triple coverage. There was double coverage over the top and underneath, but then there was an extra safety coming over too. So it was really a Bermuda Triangle, as Isaiah called it yesterday on the post game show. You're. You're trying that football instead of trying to something to the boundary to get out of bounds, set up a field goal attempt and at least go into halftime with some dignity. Down by 13 points instead of being or 14 points instead of being down by 17. And then you go down and you score on your opening drive of the second half and you feel like, okay, our offense starting to feel better again, not the case you're still down by two scores, you're still in a position where your defense needs to stop. And this is not a team that has to need the defense to get a stop. They just don't have the dogs on that side of the football. You cannot rely on that. So as much as this was on the defense and as much as we've praised the offense throughout the season, it was a down day. And in scenarios where they have converted in situations like that previously, they did not credit to Denver. They're a good team. I think Denver's a legitimate contender in the AFC and I don't want to take anything away from that.
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Tommy Yarish
Absolutely not.
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Kyle Yeomans
But if Dallas plans to be a contender in their division, plans to be a contender when they get to the playoffs, as Tommy said, or if they get to the playoffs as Tommy said, you got to play better than that against the teams that are benchmark caliber teams that you're going up against. And they did not pass their test this week.
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Tommy Yarish
And time and time again the Cowboys have proved that they don't win those games. Yeah, those.
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Kyle Yeomans
When are we going to learn?
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Tommy Yarish
This is the litmus test. Dallas Cowboys are going up against an actual contender and the result continues to be the same. Outside looking in, of course, I feel very. It's the word. Passionate about, you know, how I feel, how good I think the Cowboys can be. But when you're talking about a defense that cannot personnel wise.
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Kyle Yeomans
Yeah.
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Tommy Yarish
Afford making any mistakes, it's not indicative of a good team. And Tony Rome was saying himself at the very end of the game as far as like, this is a team that will. The offense is good enough to keep you in half of these games.
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Kyle Yeomans
Yeah.
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Tommy Yarish
And the other half, you know, you're going to struggle. And that's exactly what we're seeing right now.
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Josh Rodriguez
It is difficult to really get a good litmus test on how good this team can be when their three wins are against the Giants.
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Kyle Yeomans
Yep.
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Josh Rodriguez
The jets and the Commanders. Those teams have what a combined a.
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Kyle Yeomans
Banged up Commanders team.
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Josh Rodriguez
Seven wins and the jets got their first one yesterday.
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Tommy Yarish
Yeah.
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Patrick No See Walker
That'S.
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Josh Rodriguez
That, that's telling. And I mean and then you look at the, the back half of this schedule. Eagles, Chiefs, Lions, Vikings, Chargers. I mean this is going to be a, this might be a long back half of the year.
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Tommy Yarish
I liked what you were saying a second ago as far as like why do we sort of.
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Kyle Yeomans
When are we going to learn?
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Tommy Yarish
When are we going to learn?
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Kyle Yeomans
Yeah.
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Tommy Yarish
Yeah. Can you speak more to that?
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Kyle Yeomans
I think, I mean I predicted Denver would win Friday. So it wasn't a shock. I thought it would be a whole lot closer, though, because I don't believe this team is far off. I really don't. And we've had that debate before about the draft picks and whether to hold on to them or whether to not. And I even asked the question to Stephen Jones a couple weeks back, how much are these next few games going into the deadline going to decide how you handle the trade deadline? And he said he didn't really give like a full answer in that case, but I think the answer is a ton. You go into the deadline at 3, 5 and 1, you lose this week against the Arizona Cardinals. And with the back half of the schedule that Tommy's talking about, why would you not sell at the deadline? Why would you not take some of these good players that you can accumulate draft picks and try and build around some guys that are, that are still here? Dax, not going anywhere. CDs not going anywhere. You could still resign George Pickens if he continues to have the season that he's having. Jake Ferguson's not going anywhere. Tyler Smith's not going anywhere. All these guys that you've resigned, the core of your team is staying here, but there are some other players that teams would value elsewhere. So to speak to your question, this is a roundabout answer of getting there or roundabout way of getting there. I don't think they're far off. But if they don't have the season that you would anticipate, and they certainly haven't to this point, I think you have to look toward 26, 27, 28 because of what you already have. From a draft capital standpoint, you got to be within striking distance to take advantage of this year and possibly trade those picks and say, I need a legitimate pass rusher, I need a legitimate linebacker or a safety or whatever the position is that you want to address. First, you got to be within striking distance. And right now they are not.
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Tommy Yarish
No, it's not going to take one or two players. I mean, it would take a full overhaul of my opinion in the defense.
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Kyle Yeomans
And I think you're going to get a couple guys. I know everybody's probably rolling their eyes when they're talking about, oh, DeMarbi and overshone is coming back or Savon Rebels coming back and I mean, Trayvon Diggs. I don't know if he'll ever play another game in the Cowboys uniform. We'll talk about that at some point down the line, too. But all of that to be said, you are getting some Reinforcements. If you add those guys and then get a elite player, maybe it does help. Who am I to say? But right now I don't have a whole lot of confidence that that can help fix this team.
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Tommy Yarish
For the audio listeners, Patrick had a perfect response just then because it was just all shoulders. He just like, what do you do?
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Patrick No See Walker
Shrugging. Because my thought process is. I'm hearing everything you guys are saying. Keep the picks and build for the future. That, you know, great, wonderful. What's your identity on defense? You don't have one. Exactly. So my follow up to that would be. Not that I disagree with those points. My follow up would be, yes, okay. Use those draft picks and war chest. You go and empty the war chest and for the most part, you throw that at defense. Okay, sure. You're throwing it at a defense that has no identity. It doesn't know what he wants to do. It doesn't know what it wants to be.
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Kyle Yeomans
And that's the whole conundrum.
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Patrick No See Walker
Schematically, it doesn't know it's a malleable.
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Chris Beam
Right.
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Patrick No See Walker
So you're throwing at it, which is perfectly fine. That's. That's your job as GM and as the scouting department, it's your job to locate talent and put the talent in the seats. Okay, now once. But once the talent is in the seats, and what I'm getting at is the root is one of the roots. Not the root, but one of the root issues remains miscommunication. In that defense. I saw yesterday, again, the same miscommunication issues that we saw early in the season when they were getting walloped. Okay. And you go. And you look at some of the body language on the sidelines. One particular instance after a big play might have been after a touchdown. I'm not quite sure. You got triqueasy. Bridges basically passionately trying to explain to Kyre Elam, whatever. I couldn't read the lips, but it was.
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Kyle Yeomans
And I'm like, okay, so clearly anybody should know. It's Elam who was in training.
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Patrick No See Walker
Right. So it's the fact that Bridges, who joined late, is now having this heated debate. I'm not going to say argument. Heated.
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Kyle Yeomans
Don't know which way it went.
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Patrick No See Walker
Right. And we don't know.
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Tommy Yarish
But my point be passionate. Could be anger. We don't know.
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Patrick No See Walker
Could be. My point being when you have defensive players on the sideline having those types of conversations with each other in conjunction with what's going on on the field, the scheme is still a huge question mark. I feel like every week we're Going against the Riddler. But the Riddler is in the building. Like, what's the. What are you doing this week? I don't know. Because last week he was 48. Man coverage. And then one of the feature films that Isaiah bought was they were gonna break the 50 mark on man.
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Patrick No See Walker
They went in the wrong direction. They went back into the 30s. As far as man coverage is concerned, zone coverage, that obviously didn't look great. Look at the wide open touchdown that was in zone coverage. So, you know, and now there is another aspect to it, which is, you know, personnel wise. I mean, Jesus Christ, man, you had to put your nickel corner at safety because you ran out of safeties.
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Commercial Announcer
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Kyle Yeomans
So the guys.
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Patrick No See Walker
Right. So that matters as well. So, you know, let's talk about everything that matters. But my point being whether you're trading for a guy or two, and I'm on the boat of trading for two guys, not one. Now you need to. Now you need to. You need a pass rusher and you need a safety. I feel like the linebacker core will stabilize once Demario Nova show is back and back to form. I think that stabilizes things. But regardless of if you're siding with me and you feel like you want to trade for one or two players or you're siding with Kyle and. And Tommy, I think Josh as well, as far as keeping the picks. Doesn't matter which one of us, which one of the tables you sit down at.
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Kyle Yeomans
Yeah.
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Patrick No See Walker
You have to agree that at the end of the day, the problem, one of the bigger problems is what scheme are you running? What are you doing on defense?
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Kyle Yeomans
And remember, what are you doing? Remember, I also flip too, because I'm worried about. And initially I was saying hold on to the draft picks. I'm worried about wasting Dak Prescott's MVP caliber play. That's where I'm saying, okay, maybe we should go get a draft pick. But then you look at the defense and the inconsistencies and all of these different elements here to say there is no identity. How much is it going to fix even if you do go and do it? So I don't want to sit here and do nothing with Dak Prescott playing the way that he has. I don't want to sit here on my hands and just say, yeah, you know what? It is what it is. Hopefully he comes back in 26 and 27 and plays the rest of his contract like this. I don't want to do that because that's not how the NFL works. You got to take advantage of opportunities when you have them now. And the most frustrating part about all of this and the debate that you're going to have is you're either wasting the window or you're throwing potatoes at the wall trying to see if it sticks on defense. And that's, that's what the picks would be. They would be potatoes at the wall. Hopefully a pass rusher helps. Hopefully a safety helps. Hopefully the linebackers start playing better when demarvi and overshones back. Hopefully Savone Rebel as a third round pick out of East Carolina can play immediately. All of it is a hope, say the thing. And hope is not a strategy. And that's what it is on the defensive side and that's what's so frustrating for Cowboys fans, I think.
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Tommy Yarish
Hold on really quick. Above all, regardless of all of this trade, hold on to the picks, whatever it is. Something needs to change.
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Kyle Yeomans
Now you got to do something.
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Tommy Yarish
Something needs to change.
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Josh Rodriguez
I'll make two quick points and then I'll give you all a question going into our break.
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Kyle Yeomans
Oh, a little tease here, I see.
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Josh Rodriguez
So, so number one, to, to, to Patrick's point about identity, with four first round picks, I think you can find guys who can help establish an identity for you on defense. Not a guarantee. I'm not guaranteeing anything. I'm not. Charles. I think you can find guys that help you set the tone on defense. And you know, there are a couple of guys that I love college football. If you follow me on Twitter, you see that there are a couple of guys that I watch around the country and I'm just like, oh man, I would love to cover that guy because he would see so good.
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Kyle Yeomans
Yeah.
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Josh Rodriguez
And you know the other thing too is I have no issue with trading some of that capital for a player if and only if it is a young player that is under contract for the next three or four. Three or four years. Three or four years. And because that would be the only way, I'm sorry, that would be the only way that you could make the most of moving on from a capital like a first round pick or a second round pick is if you get somebody that's going to be around for you consistently for the Stevens, you can't trade for one year rentals at this point.
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Tommy Yarish
No.
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Josh Rodriguez
And the question that I'll give you guys going in a break, we've talked about scheme and this defense and oh my God, it's awful. This is the third defensive coordinator for the Cowboys in three years. Do you think that a change is what is needed or at some point do you feel like Dallas just has to sit down and give a guy time because if you move on from Matt Eberfluss, then you've got your fourth defensive coordinator in four years. And at some point you've got to let a scheme stabilize and you can't keep changing things up on guys because some guys are going to fit great, some guys are not going to fit great, and you're not going to know that. So at some point do you say, okay, this is our guy, we're going to give him time and we're going to ride it out and see if this can get better, and we're going.
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Kyle Yeomans
To answer that question on the other side of the break with more talking Cowboys right after this.
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My homework and the dishwasher's unloaded.
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Nice. Hey, can you.
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Yes, I've got the finale ready to play.
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Josh Rodriguez
Been seeing some good things.
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Patrick No See Walker
Totally. They have some talent.
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Kyle Yeomans
Yup. Some great talent.
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Patrick No See Walker
And they got some fight.
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Kyle Yeomans
Hoping this is the year.
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Kyle Yeomans
Back to Talking Cowboy back here on Talking Cowboys. This segment is brought to you by Invisalign. The official smile of the Dallas Cowboys with Patrick no See Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Tommy Yarish is in the building and he just proposed a phenomenal question.
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Josh Rodriguez
Thank you.
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Kyle Yeomans
Going into the career first phenomenal question of your career.
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Tommy Yarish
Also, Tommy, I wish you were here for a win every once in a while.
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Josh Rodriguez
Yeah, I know.
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Kyle Yeomans
Why, why do you always show up whenever?
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Josh Rodriguez
They always call me in whenever they lose. I'm sorry. Well, when I started, it was. I was like the Detroit game, I think they lost like, what, five straight before the Washington game when Kevonte Turpin finally got me a win. But yeah, no, if you missed, if you missed before the break, the question that I posed was, you know, Matty Berfluse is Dallas's third defensive coordinator in the last three years. And at least from my perspective, and you guys, if you have a differing opinion, please feel free to throw it out there. I think it is really Difficult for players, and you see this all the time, especially with young quarterbacks, is when they've got a change in their head coach or their play caller, offensive coordinator, whatever it may be, you can see their development kind of really start to struggle. And guys that have had that turmoil, like a Justin Fields or even a Baker Mayfield, a guy who's turned it around can just necessarily not be in the right spot. And having different voices over the course of their career can make things hard. And so my question was for Dallas is at some point, whether it be with Matty Berflus or even if you move on from and take somebody else, do you just have to sit down with a guy, even if it means going through a season like you're going through right now? And do you just have to stick with somebody and give somebody time to get something going? I know it's a NFL stands for not for long. And that goes for coaches, too, especially now, because nobody is patient. But at some point, do you have to settle into, hey, we've got to keep somebody, not just Matt Eberflus, because Matty Verfloos has not done a good job this year, just straight up. And I don't know if anybody could have done a good job with his personnel, but especially Tony said that yesterday, too.
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Kyle Yeomans
He said, I would have a tough time if I were in the same.
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Josh Rodriguez
Situation, but especially this unit. It's been very poor. At some point, though, do you just need to give these guys a sense of continuity in their defensive play? Caller? Because if you're just going to keep changing things on them year in and year out, I think it's going to be hard to develop.
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Tommy Yarish
I would argue that I don't think that was Dallas's plan necessarily to keep Matt Eberflus around for a long time. He's a guy that's coming off of a head coaching job. Granted, he was fired, but he's sort of one of those bigger names that like eventually, you know, and Shoddy said it before, it's like, oh, he will be a head coach again in the NFL. I. I don't think you can bank on that necessarily, but at least now. But that's his goal, right? So I think the Cowboys sort of went into it. It's like, okay, let's build an identity using what Matt Eberflus wants to do and then sort of build around that. But, you know, maybe it's a Dan Quinn situation too, where they kind of anticipated at least a few years of getting that identity figured out.
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Kyle Yeomans
Right?
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Tommy Yarish
But you're not seeing it at all. At least with with Dan Quinn, you very early on saw indications of what that might be. And that was turnovers, right? Yeah, that was one thing that you could always lean on and pressure.
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Kyle Yeomans
And you know why they saw the flash of pressure and why they saw the flash of turnovers early in Dan Quinn's tenure?
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Tommy Yarish
Why is that?
- [32:44]
Kyle Yeomans
Because they struck gold at a pass rusher. They struck gold with Micah Parsons in the draft.
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Josh Rodriguez
Where's that guy at?
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Kyle Yeomans
He's in Green Bay and he played really well last night. The. That's. That's the thing for me is you. You struck gold. Even they didn't want it. Remember, they were at 10 in that draft and they were wanting Pat Sir Tan for good reason, by the way. They wanted J.C. horn. They both go bang. Yeah, they're both great players. Bang, bang in front of them to Carolina, into Denver. They're sitting at 10 and they say, man, maybe we should trade back. We don't really love a ton of these options. We'll trade back a couple spots, and then if Micah or Rashawn Slater fall to us, for good reason, fall to us, then all of a sudden we'll make the pick. They made the pick at 12 after they traded. So even they didn't know what they had, or else they would have taken the opportunity to trade up and go get Micah, just as anybody would have if they would have thought that was the case.
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Tommy Yarish
If they knew out of the draft.
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Kyle Yeomans
They struck gold with Micah, Dan Quinn was able to build his system with an elite pass rusher as a rookie who finished with 12 and a half sacks or 13 sacks or whatever it was. And that's how they were able to do that. You don't have that guy. You don't have that type of player. And even the personnel on this team to do that. And remember, that was after you had three coordinators in three years as well, because you went from.
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Tommy Yarish
And you saw a D Law at the time, but you had D Law had like, yeah, arguably a stabilizer stabilized.
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Kyle Yeomans
Trayvon Diggs, who had played under you pretty well for a year.
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Tommy Yarish
The pieces were there. The pieces are not there right now.
- [34:13]
Kyle Yeomans
They don't have the same person.
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Tommy Yarish
You have Kenny Clark and.
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Kyle Yeomans
And a bunch of dudes.
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Tommy Yarish
Some guys. Yeah.
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Patrick No See Walker
Well, my question is when you. Okay, so when you look at the personnel, if everyone is healthy, look at it from that capacity. And then you ask yourself this in addressing Tommy's question. If you're the Cowboys, you have a personnel set when completely healthy, that is designed to primarily run, man. So I'll simplify it and just put it to that. Yeah. You have a defensive coordinator that primarily runs on, right?
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Kyle Yeomans
Yeah.
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Patrick No See Walker
So the question is if you're. If you're entertaining or hoping that my EVA flu stays around because you want the continuity. How long do you think it would take to transition the current personnel to a set of personnel for the new DC to be able to have hopeful success in running the scheme he actually wants to run? Yeah, that'll take two, three, maybe even four years, depending on how you draft, because you're not going to hit 100% on all of your draft picks. You just not. That's not how it goes. So even though you're one of the better. One of the best, actually, as far as scouting draft talent, you're just not going to hit 100% of the time. So that's. That's my thing.
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Tommy Yarish
My.
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Patrick No See Walker
My concern there is. And I'm not saying, you know, that it can't be done. I'm saying that you have to understand the transition period. So you talk about potentially wasting the window that Dak Prescott has. He needs a defense and put it out. He played poorly yesterday, but he played poorly because of a couple of decisions he made. The triple coverage. Jake Ferguson, don't throw that ball ever again in your life. Just. Just don't. Okay. At the same time, to be fair, he was under siege all game. So at that point, he's trying to play hero ball. He was pressing, and he admitted that he was kind of pressing because he was trying to make something happen, trying to get a spark. So that being said, you have to wonder, transition wise, if you want continuity, what's the. What's the invoice for the continuity? Because you got to pay the invoice. What's the invoice. If the invoice is it takes you two to three years to get the personnel right for the coordinator that you have. Oh, no, Jim. Yeah.
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Josh Rodriguez
I don't know.
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Patrick No See Walker
Because in three years from now, is Dak Prescott still playing at this level?
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Kyle Yeomans
Probably not.
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Patrick No See Walker
Probably not.
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Tommy Yarish
In that case, you need better personnel on defense.
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Kyle Yeomans
That's where I'm at.
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Tommy Yarish
You. Absolutely.
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Josh Rodriguez
And you need that all around, regardless of who your defensive coordinator is.
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Kyle Yeomans
Absolutely. There were problems at the end of Dan Quinn's tenure whenever it came to this defense, right?
- [36:39]
Tommy Yarish
Yes.
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Kyle Yeomans
I mean, it wasn't perfect with Dan Quinn. Everybody wants to believe that those three years with Dan Quinn, 21 to 23, they couldn't stop a nosebleed on takeaways they. The takeaways were great and it. And it helped hide a lot of the problems. Yes, it helped hide a lot of the issues and Michael Parsons helped hide a lot of the issues.
- [36:57]
Tommy Yarish
But this was still a bad run defense regardless. And then.
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Kyle Yeomans
And then you turn around and you've got Mike Zimmer. You had some hope with Mike Zimmer that he would bring in a new thought process, but you able to stop the run.
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Tommy Yarish
He's a loner.
- [37:10]
Kyle Yeomans
Wrong. Yeah. Boom. One and done. He didn't have a great year whenever that came around. At some point, when do you look yourself in the mirror as a defense and say, this team just doesn't have the personnel, they just don't have the players on defense? Yeah, we've had three coordinators in three years and I'm sure some continuity would help. But if you have bad players and you have a bad system. Not even. Let's take the system out of it. If you have bad players, the best system in the world is still not going to be enough.
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Patrick No See Walker
That's true.
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Kyle Yeomans
You can scheme it up as much as possible and it might help a little bit, but it's not going to help you enough to go win what you want to win, which is ultimately an NFC east crown, NFC title, and go to a Super bowl and possibly win it. That's not happening when you have bad players on defense.
- [37:54]
Josh Rodriguez
I mean, Nick Saban in his prime at Alabama couldn't fix this group. Like, there's just nothing there's.
- [37:59]
Kyle Yeomans
He couldn't fix the Miami Dolphins.
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Josh Rodriguez
Well, I'm just saying in general, I'm just messing with. Thinking of a good defensive coach.
- [38:04]
Kyle Yeomans
He went 16 and 16 was a great point. Thank you.
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Josh Rodriguez
All right, well, I'll never make a point.
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Kyle Yeomans
Kirby Smart could. Kirby Smart.
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Josh Rodriguez
Kirby Smart couldn't fix this year. And Kirby Smart makes everything Kirby could not.
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Kyle Yeomans
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Josh Rodriguez
You could put. You could put burnt orange helmets on the other team and he still wouldn't.
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Patrick No See Walker
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Kyle Yeomans
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Josh Rodriguez
You know what? That's what we need to do. We need to go back to playing defense like it's 1937.
- [38:31]
Kyle Yeomans
I think that's what you're already doing.
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Tommy Yarish
Okay, well, look at how the Broncos have been able to shift. I mean, we were just talking about it last week. Two years ago, they had 70 points scored on them in a regular season game. And it's not necessarily Emmy. Granted, you have Pat certain. You have a lot of guy. Drake Greenlaw, who didn't play yesterday. FYI oh, Jesus. But they turned their defense around in two years. Arguably they were pretty decent last year.
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Kyle Yeomans
Yeah, they were pretty good.
- [38:56]
Tommy Yarish
So a year and a half.
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Patrick No See Walker
Yeah.
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Tommy Yarish
I mean, I don't think it would take that long if you had the personnel. Dude.
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Josh Rodriguez
Yeah. Vance Joseph has done an unbelievable job with that unit.
- [39:05]
Kyle Yeomans
I mean the pride that it took for him to set aside.
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Patrick No See Walker
Here's a question.
- [39:09]
Kyle Yeomans
He was a head coach and he comes back as straight up.
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Patrick No See Walker
I'm going to ask you this question head to head. Is Vance Joseph a better coordinator right now than Matt Eberfluss?
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Tommy Yarish
Yes.
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Kyle Yeomans
I mean, yeah.
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Patrick No See Walker
Then that's probably combined with your personnel point. That's probably why it only took a year and a half to turn it around.
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Kyle Yeomans
So you've. And that's a great point. It's not just one thing.
- [39:31]
Patrick No See Walker
Exactly.
- [39:31]
Kyle Yeomans
And that's where the frustration continues. It's not just one thing, but you got to give some time there because you don't have the personnel. But if you don't have the personnel, then are you really going to have some success down the line too? That's where all of this kind of circles back to.
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Patrick No See Walker
And I'm not saying something has to change. Don't give the time. I'm saying that the invoice that comes with giving the time.
- [39:50]
Kyle Yeomans
Yes.
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Patrick No See Walker
Is window starts to close on QB1. The transition from this man primary personnel to a zone centric will take a couple years to establish and solidify. And that's no guarantee that once it's solidified that it suddenly pops like you're waiting for that spark. But that spark might not come in one to two years. So I mean, these are all parts of the conversation.
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Tommy Yarish
And, and for me the bigger indicator of that is take the time that you have now to improve the personnel of your defense regardless of anything. And if that doesn't work, and hopefully it is guys that have two or three years left on their contract. So you have that flexibility to. On your roster. Exactly.
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Patrick No See Walker
Yeah.
- [40:28]
Tommy Yarish
But this off season, if, if we are thinking the same thing and we're not going to the super bowl this year, probably not. Breaking news. But use free agency to improve the defensive side of the ball. Get guys that you know are going to contribute in a big way. I'm tired of the guessing game.
- [40:49]
Patrick No See Walker
Yeah.
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Tommy Yarish
You're talking about, you know, rebuilding through the draft and I totally agree. You're going to need those picks regardless if you're making trades like you have them, you need them. So you're going to need that. You're going to need free agency. You're going to need all of these elements, everything to rebuild a defense that you can certainly do. Yes, if you get the right guys.
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Kyle Yeomans
Got to find a way to get the right guys. We'll talk a little bit more about this on the other side of the break and then I want to bring back the offensive conversation. 44:24 Dallas loses to Denver More talking Cowboys after this Lowe's Nose Sundays are.
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Patrick No See Walker
You see that Cowboys game? Oh I watched.
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Josh Rodriguez
Been seeing some good things.
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Patrick No See Walker
Totally. They have some talent.
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Kyle Yeomans
Yep, some great talent.
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Patrick No See Walker
And they got some fight. Hoping this is the year. Me too. Oh I'm Cody by the way.
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Kyle Yeomans
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My homework and the dishwasher's unloaded.
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Patrick No See Walker
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Kyle Yeomans
Yes, I've got the finale ready to play.
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See att.com guarantee for details. Back to Talking Cowboys Back here on Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company, the official coffee of the Dallas Cowboys. Patrick Nosi Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Tommy Yarish, Chris Beam in the back and Kyle Yeomans continuing the defense conversation gives up a season high 44 points. And I mean, it wasn't pretty. At any point in the game you give up 27 in the first half and then right when you have an opportunity to try and make it a game in the second half, you give up touchdowns. Again, touchdowns, not field goals. And it all kind of plays a factor. We were kind of talking in the break there a little bit. It's there was, there was some conversation from other media outlets. I don't want to put a name on it, but other media outlets in the area that are talking about how you might as well trade the draft picks that you have because you can't draft well on the defensive side of the ball. And I get there's some frustration there. There's a couple second round picks that you've, you've missed on. I mean, you haven't seen it from Sam Williams. We're four years into that experiment. You've Seen why they've done it, the green flags. But then you've also seen the red flags and you've also seen plenty of yellow flags too, in the way that it's all kind of worked out. From an official standpoint, I see what.
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Josh Rodriguez
You were doing there, but the funniest portion of yesterday was there was a set of tweets from Patrick where it was like, like Sam Williams made a great play to tackle for loss of the goal line. And it was like he tweeted out like, Sam with a great play. He quote tweets at one play later with and then a flag and there's the penalty.
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Kyle Yeomans
And that was there.
- [46:27]
Tommy Yarish
That was the most Sam always going to have one. He's always good for one.
- [46:29]
Josh Rodriguez
That was the most Sam Williams stretch of football ever. You make an incredible play and then you automatically get penalized on the next play.
- [46:37]
Kyle Yeomans
But going back to the point, second round picks, you've. You, you may have missed on Sam Williams. He probably had you. From Marshawn Nealon standpoint, you haven't seen it from Marshawn Nealon as a second round pick and Donovan as Rock, who probably has flashed at times, but he hasn't shown the same caliber pass rush you anticipated him to have after you drafted him out of Boston College and after you saw what you did in the preseason and in training camp, felt like he was going to have a bigger impact. Development is the number one thing for Ezzy. Same thing for Marshawn Nealon. Both guys within their first two years of their career year.
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Tommy Yarish
I will say, when you've missed, you've missed huge.
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Kyle Yeomans
Okay.
- [47:14]
Tommy Yarish
And it's glaring. The ones that you have missed.
- [47:17]
Kyle Yeomans
And who are some of those guys.
- [47:18]
Tommy Yarish
You talked about Taco, you talked about Mozzie. I mean, those names are going to stick in the crawl of a lot of Cowboys fans for a long time to come. Because those are supposed to be like, you know, tent pole guys.
- [47:29]
Kyle Yeomans
Right.
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Tommy Yarish
And you missed big time.
- [47:32]
Kyle Yeomans
Yes.
- [47:32]
Tommy Yarish
But you also drafted Micah Parson.
- [47:33]
Kyle Yeomans
You drafted Micah, you drafted Trayvon, you drafted Duron Blaine, you drafted Oso, you drafted third day three, fifth round pick. Yeah. Fifth round pick. You drafted all of these guys that are the core of your defense. The only impact player on your defense right now that you didn't draft was coming from another guy that you did draft, and that's Kenny Clark. I mean, I think whenever it comes to trading the draft picks, don't trade them just to trade them.
- [47:59]
Tommy Yarish
No.
- [47:59]
Kyle Yeomans
And that's, that's the whole.
- [48:00]
Tommy Yarish
There has to be a philosophy Behind.
- [48:01]
Kyle Yeomans
Yes. You can't just trade them. Oh, we can't draft defensive talent. That's bs that is terrible football knowledge. Just plain and simple. Because they've missed. Every team has missed. And you missed big on Taco. You missed big on Mozzie. Taco was a decade ago. Now Mozzie is at the end of his rookie contract. You missed on him. Plain and simple. Oh, well. And that's just part of it.
- [48:24]
Tommy Yarish
Yeah.
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Kyle Yeomans
However, you've made so many good draft picks, you can still use those draft picks in a philosophical way to go and make your football team better. Whether you draft your defensive talent. Sure, fine. That's one way. Or you go and get it to try not to waste the MVP caliber play. And yes, I know Dak had a down game yesterday. Don't take away from what he did was historic the four games prior. Even in a one, two and one situation, you still have good quarterback play right now and you got to use it while you can.
- [48:54]
Tommy Yarish
Team is miss. And if you consider how many Pro bowl players the Cowboys had that they have drafted, it's not like they've traded for a lot of these guys. I mean, and we just talked about how they necessarily weren't using free agency to the best of their abilities over the last few years. I mean, Dallas drafts pretty darn well considering. I mean, Philly won a Super bowl and they picked, they drafted Jalen Raker. You know what I'm saying? Like teams miss. It's going to happen. That's the, that's what the draft is about.
- [49:21]
Kyle Yeomans
They've missed a couple guys.
- [49:22]
Tommy Yarish
They've missed on a few guys. You know, it happens. But it's about what you're able to do. All encompassing free agency is included in this thing and you finally started attributing that to your game plan in this last offseason.
- [49:36]
Josh Rodriguez
They've also hit on a lot of guys too.
- [49:38]
Kyle Yeomans
Yes, they have.
- [49:39]
Patrick No See Walker
Those guys are from. Okay, so here's the thing about.
- [49:42]
Josh Rodriguez
Hey, Andrew Makuba. Where'd he go? Hook him.
- [49:45]
Patrick No See Walker
Here's the thing about the Cowboys defense and this is why, ladies and gentlemen, we're talking about an expansive approach to trying to fix this issue, be it now and. Or come the off season to come. And this is fantastic tidbit of information. I mean, I hate the information, but the science is. The science doesn't care what I learned. Shouts out to Todd Archer for this one. He tweeted out last night. At the moment, Cowboys have allowed 250 points this season, third most through eight games. Of a season in Cowboys franchise history. You know what other Cowboys teams have given up more than this 2025 version?
- [50:21]
Tommy Yarish
Mike? Don't. To want.
- [50:23]
Patrick No See Walker
That's one. That's one. And the other, you'd have to go back to the expansion year 1960, when the Cowboys were right when they were playing the Rochester Jefferson's leather helmets. But no, seriously, you have to go back to the expansion season where the Cowboys joined the league to find one of only two defenses that have performed more poorly than this one. So this is actually saying go ahead and say it.
- [50:50]
Tommy Yarish
I don't like those words.
- [50:52]
Patrick No See Walker
Here's how, here's how much more disturbing this becomes for those of us who've covered the team and, and saw the Rob Ryan years. You mean to tell me this, this defense is worse than the Rob Ryan years?
- [51:04]
Kyle Yeomans
Which it is.
- [51:05]
Patrick No See Walker
You have to throw everything at it. You have to throw the, the draft at it. You have to throw the Eagles approach to free agency at it.
- [51:13]
Kyle Yeomans
Kitchen sink.
- [51:14]
Patrick No See Walker
The kitchen sink. The tub.
- [51:17]
Tommy Yarish
In.
- [51:17]
Patrick No See Walker
In the out. Just the whole.
- [51:18]
Kyle Yeomans
With the water still running. Everything.
- [51:20]
Patrick No See Walker
Everything. Pipes included. Like everything.
- [51:23]
Kyle Yeomans
We're going to talk more about the offense tomorrow. We didn't get back to it. It's. I mean when you give up 44 points in, in the way that they did in the fashion that they did, you got to talk a lot about the defensive.
- [51:34]
Patrick No See Walker
They could have hung 60 on this team if they wanted.
- [51:36]
Kyle Yeomans
Absolutely.
- [51:36]
Patrick No See Walker
You keep, I mean the drop on. In the end zone by certain. I mean they. Oh my God. Yeah, shut it down. Shut it down.
- [51:43]
Kyle Yeomans
We'll talk more about the offense tomorrow. Plus we'll have some talking Tuesday. We'll take your phone calls. 888-855-2297. I'm sure everybody out there would like to have their voice heard. Appreciate you guys being active and civil as much as possible in the chat today. It's been very active. Some good debates in there too. But yeah, I think everybody's frustrated at this point in time. You're three, four and one. You're below.500. And the Cowboys have not played very well in a consistent manner throughout the year. And you want to see back to back games. You want to stack some wins. And now even if you do get a win this week on Monday Night football, you're back to.500. You go into a bye week. So you can't even stack weeks in that regard. You got to wait two weeks until you get another Monday Night Football matchup against the Raiders. So lots of things to talk about with this football team. And the trade deadline approaching to whether or not they're going to buy or sell will be a question mark. But I just, I don't think you can sit here and do nothing. That's where I'm 100%. You can't just sit on your hands, not, not with this franchise.
- [52:44]
Patrick No See Walker
Who's that?
- [52:44]
Josh Rodriguez
Go sell.
- [52:45]
Kyle Yeomans
That's Tommy's vote for Tommy Yaris, Josh Rodriguez, Patrick no See Walker, Chris Beam in the back and Kyle Yeoman saying so long from talking Cowboys. We'll see you tomorrow for a talking Tuesday. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
- [53:01]
Patrick No See Walker
How about them Cowboys?
- [53:03]
Kyle Yeomans
Yeah.
- [53:16]
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