Talkin’ Cowboys: Built to Beat Philly?

Summary

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Talkin’ Cowboys: Built to Beat Philly?

Podcast: Talkin' Cowboys
Date: November 19, 2025
Host/Crew: Kyle Yeomans, Isaiah Stanback, Patrick "No C" Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Chris Beam
Theme: Cowboys' Offensive Preview vs. Philadelphia Eagles – Are They Built to Beat Philly?

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Episode Overview

In this episode, the Talkin’ Cowboys crew dives deep into how the Dallas Cowboys' offense matches up against the Philadelphia Eagles’ reinforced defense. They analyze roster moves, injury updates, key position battles, and what the revamped offensive line means for Dallas. Isaiah Stanback’s film study “QB Vision” segment takes center stage, revealing exactly what the Cowboys face against Philly’s formidable front seven and unpredictable secondary. The conversation is lively, informative, and full of insight for those eager to know how Dallas stacks up ahead of this division showdown.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Roster Moves & News (07:00-17:00)

• Damone Clark Waived [07:00]:

  • The Cowboys part ways with LB Damone Clark, a move that surprises much of the panel who question why Clark was let go instead of Jack Sanborn, given Clark's value on defense and special teams.
    • "Because I feel like... he gives you more than Sanborn gives you. Both do, on defense and special teams." (Isaiah, 07:32)
  • Clark’s frustration with his lack of opportunity under the new coaching staff played a role in the decision. The panel agrees a fresh start elsewhere is likely best.

• Perrion Winfrey Activated [09:50]:

  • Defensive tackle depth now a major strength with the return of Winfrey, joining names like Quinnen Williams, Kenny Clark, Osa Odighizuwa, Solomon Thomas, and rookie Jay Toia.
    • "That rotation is just nasty." (Chris Beam, 11:26)
  • Josh is particularly excited: "That was my guy coming out of camp... to see him actually make the team and then to not play... now the defensive line... is one of your strengths." (Josh, 11:28–12:08)

• Other Transactions [15:00]:

  • Practice squad center Wesley French and injury-prone TE John Stevens Jr. are also let go.
  • The crew laments Stevens’ unfulfilled promise and credits TE coach Lunda Wells for his developmental impact.

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2. Defensive Line Depth & Position Battles (12:16-14:43)

• After the trade deadline and injury returns, Dallas' defensive line is potentially its strongest unit, with multiple waves of contributors:
  • Starters: Quinnen Williams, Kenny Clark, Osa Odighizuwa, Jadeveon Clowney
    • "For me, Jadeveon Clowney... because his run stopping ability. And he's doing a good job at pass rushes... football IQ is there." (Isaiah, 13:08–13:21)
  • Second wave: Dante Fowler, Donovan Azuraku, James Houston, Winfrey, Solomon Thomas
• The crew marvels at the transformation from one of the NFL’s weakest units to a source of confidence and excitement.

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3. QB Vision with Isaiah Stanback: Eagles Defensive Scouting Report (23:11-38:45)

[23:11 – 38:45]

Overview & Roster Philosophy

• Both Dallas and Philly have “built their teams to beat each other,” mirroring elite weapons and investing in trenches and skill positions.
  • "I think both of our teams are built to beat each other... building their rosters to compete with each other. It's no different than Buffalo building to beat Kansas City." (Isaiah, 24:18)
• WR rooms are strikingly similar in design (CD Lamb/George Pickens vs. Devonta Smith/AJ Brown).

Eagles Defensive Line

• Strength:
  • Nasty, versatile defensive front. Jalen Carter (now healthy), Jordan Davis, Morrow Ojomo provide power and disruption inside, while new addition Jalen Phillips (from Miami) finally gives them a true edge threat.
• Key Difference From Week 1:

  • Carter’s absence in their first meeting gave Dallas an easier time running; his presence now changes the equation.

  • "Jalen Carter is one of the best interior defenders in the league... He will be there. Jordan Davis will be there. Morrow Ojomo will be there... and Jalen Phillips from Miami... he is a dude." (Isaiah, 26:45)

  • "They didn't have a disruptive pass rusher in week one. Now they do in Phillips... he'll be over Terrence Steele." (Isaiah, 27:21)

Linebackers: Best in the NFL?

• Unit Strength:
  • Zach Baun (cerebral, aggressive), Nakobe Dean (athletic, passionate, often in an elbow brace), and JLix Hunt make a fearsome, instinctive trio.
  • "They probably have the best linebacker core in the NFL... Zach Baun is smart, very smart, cerebral... Dean... the same passion as Overshown, he loves the game." (Isaiah, 28:36–29:53)
• Impact:
  • Eagles LBs don't hesitate—attack quickly vs. run, close off holes instantly, and make it hard for TEs/RBs to leak out.

Secondary

• Physical, Not Perfect in Coverage:
  • The panel respects CB Cooper DeJean (physical, feisty), who previously “punked” Jalen Tolbert, and stand-out S Reed Blankenship.
  • Yet, there is skepticism about CB Quinyon Mitchell—“more physical than technical.”
    • "I'm not sure they're the best cover guys, but they're very physical... Cooper DeJean, I like everything about him, young, talented, physical, feisty. Punched [Tolbert] in the mouth." (Isaiah, 31:07)
• Scheme:
  • Vic Fangio’s defense is disciplined, does a good job at disguising coverages, plays a lot of zone.
  • Prescott has good individual stats vs. Fangio but struggles to win overall.

Where Are They Vulnerable?

• Soft Middle:
  • "The middle of their field... is booty, butt naked. No Huggies." (Come on, Isaiah, 33:07)
  • The deep middle is the biggest vulnerability—better exploited with in-breaking routes by Lamb and Pickens, and especially Jake Ferguson over the top or on in-breaking concepts.
  • "If you can catch it and make one man miss, there's a lot of YAC to be had... Dallas can expose Philadelphia in the passing game by taking advantage of that vacant middle." (Isaiah, 33:40)
• Game Plan:
  • Need quick, decisive passing game—don't get greedy going over the top constantly, as safeties are capable of disguising and rotating late.
  • Establishing a run game for 4–5 yards per carry will force linebackers to respect play action, opening up deeper/intermediate shots.
  • Ferguson needs a big day; panel hopes to see more from Cowboys’ secondary receiving options.

Offensive Keys

• Stay patient with the run, but don’t be afraid to use the pass to open up the run as well.
• Line must hold, as it did well against the Raiders—though this is a much stiffer test.
  • "Our receivers are better than their secondary. Our tight end can body up... but you have to protect... If you can run the ball effectively, you can control this game." (Isaiah, 36:01)
• Methodical, sustained drives—capitalize on red zone trips.
• Must win in the trenches; offensive line “has to play as one unit of dogs” (Isaiah, 50:18).

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4. Cowboys’ Offensive Line: Are They Ready? (42:41–50:43)

• Is this the week the line finally comes together?
  • "Is this the game where you finally see this offensive line click against a formidable opponent... Can this be the game where they step it up and you finally see what you want to see out of the investment you put on your offensive line?" (Kyle, 42:48)
• The panel is cautiously optimistic:
  • Tyler Guyton’s pass protection vs. Maxx Crosby (Raiders) was solid; needs consistency vs. Jalen Phillips.
  • Terence Steele also held up well 1v1.
    • "Tyler Guyton... allowed only one pressure with no sacks on 34 drop back[s]... 80% of the time he was 1v1, so that's promising." (Patrick, 44:05)
    • "Terrence Steele... 15 out of 16 reps vs. Max Crosby were 1v1. He only allowed two pressures..." (Patrick, 45:06)
  • But the Eagles have a much deeper, stronger line—Dallas will not have the luxury of singling out just one threat.
  • This game will require emotional intelligence—not just physical nastiness but discipline (avoid penalties, keep head when tested).
• The sentiment:
  • "You're going to take some Ls... You're going to take some sacks, tips balls... It's going to be back and forth. I have confidence. But this team... has to play as a unit up front. They can't be individuals." (Isaiah, 49:31)

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5. Match “Mirroring” and Adapting

• Both teams have mirrored each other’s squad builds—a generational draft pick plus an elite trade (Cowboys: Lamb/Pickens, Eagles: Smith/Brown).
• Utilizing the TE like Philly does with Dallas Goedert might glean similar results with Jake Ferguson.
  • "Use Jake Ferguson like they do Dallas Goedert... there are so many situations where he's wide open because teams are having to account for Smith and A.J. Brown." (Josh, 38:03)
• If Dallas can exploit the soft middle and get early momentum from Ferguson, opportunities for Lamb and Pickens should open up.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “That rotation is just nasty.” — Chris Beam on DT depth, [11:26]
• “The middle of their field is booty, butt naked. No Huggies...just go streaking through the quad in the Coliseum.” — Isaiah Stanback, on Eagles’ coverage weakness, [33:07]
• “You have to approach the game as one unit of dogs... you have to have this arrogance... but you have to know when to cut it off. When that whistle blows, you gotta turn the switch off.” — Isaiah Stanback on O-line mentality, [50:18]
• “You're going to have a negative play, you're going to have a positive play, negative play. It's going to be back and forth. I have confidence.” — Isaiah Stanback, [49:45]
• “I think both of our teams are built to beat each other. I truly believe that.” — Isaiah Stanback, [24:18]
• “The linebackers don't wait… they react the way in which I wish our linebackers had up until this point in the season.” — Isaiah Stanback, [29:10]
• “Our receivers are better than their secondary. Our tight end can body up…” — Isaiah Stanback, [36:01]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Roster Moves & D-Line Depth: 07:00–17:00
• DT Rotation Discussion: 12:16–14:43
• Tight End Room/John Stevens Jr.: 15:00–17:13
• “QB Vision” Eagles Defense Scouting: 23:11–38:45
• Cowboys O-Line Readiness: 42:41–50:43
• Keys to Victory / Offensive Plan: 36:00–37:30, 50:00–50:43

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Final Takeaway

The Cowboys and Eagles have evolved together into NFC titans, with this matchup highlighting years of reciprocal roster construction. Dallas’ defensive rotation and healthy O-line are strengths, but Philly’s reinforced front and linebacker play present a major challenge. Exploiting the Eagles’ soft middle, methodical drives, emotional discipline, and big plays from Ferguson are key. Sunday’s showdown will reveal if Dallas’ offense is truly built to take down Philly.

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Transcript

[Colin Coward]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Talking Cowboys streaming live from the Dallas Cowboys world headquarters at the Star in Frisco CD Lamb. It's on.

[Chris Beam]

Jake Ferguson.

[Isaiah Standback]

And he bangs it in for the touchdown.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And now your hosts, Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans. It's a wonderful Wednesday edition of Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle coffee company live from the Star in Frisco, Texas.

[Isaiah Standback]

And the square WBC studios.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Welcome in, everybody. We've got the whole cast and crew ready for you to rock today with Patrick no see Walker, Josh Rodriguez back in the building. We've got Isaiah. Stand back with Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman. So glad you're with us here on this wonderful Wednesday, which of course is going to be our Cowboys offensive preview as they get ready to take on the Philadelphia Eagles defense. I like your shirt, Patrick. I just realized that you got one of those.

[Chris Beam]

Where's mine?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I need to find one.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He was, he was handing them out.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like candy, handed them out like candy.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And then he saw me and he's like, oh, yeah. Not that.

[Chris Beam]

We need to find one for everybody.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I agree. Stupid dude. We're gonna have QB vision coming up in the next segment. Isaiah, stand back. I saw you down in the the training table doing a little bit of film study.

[Chris Beam]

You saw me?

[Kyle Yeomans]

You were, you know me. I kind of like peeked around the corner.

[Isaiah Standback]

Freaking A. Yeah, you're down.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Thankfully, that's what was on your computer.

[Chris Beam]

It's giving stalker.

[Isaiah Standback]

Listen, everybody sees me in there, I'll be in there getting my study on. You know what I mean?

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's performative.

[Isaiah Standback]

Trying to make sure that our, our family is the smartest ones in the room.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know, Isaiah, instead of going to like, instead of going to a coffee shop and studying out in public, he just sits here and lets like Dak walk in front of.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, he's like that one muscle bound influencer that's just like up to 10,000.

[Chris Beam]

It's like those old, like, 80s and 90s sitcoms where someone's sitting at the computer, but it's not something on the screen. It's like, oh, 100. It's like a piece. It's like paper with some lines on it.

[Isaiah Standback]

Right, bro? It's literally to the point now where all the coaches will McClay scouts, they all come back or what we looking at today? Like, now, do you sell or do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You, like, sugar coat it a little?

[Chris Beam]

Oh, no, I'll tell them straight up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

And we have some good conversations.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Not like, man, this secondary has been trash.

[Isaiah Standback]

Trash.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. You haven't done any of that with this week.

[Isaiah Standback]

No. Okay. Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He's playing the Firefox dinosaur game.

[Chris Beam]

Snake on his Nokia.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hey, what are we looking at today? And he's like. He's just playing Mario Kart.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'm like, so much. Exactly.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I love it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

All right, playing Galaga.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Back to Galaga. I. I think your. Your microphone's off there, bud.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Hello. I didn't touch it, Beam.

[Isaiah Standback]

Oh, you didn't touch you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Hello.

[Isaiah Standback]

There we go. There you go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And we get building. And now your microphone's just not wanting to work.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What the heck's wrong? What the heck?

[Chris Beam]

If it's not one thing, it's the next.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's Gremlins, actually, that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Studio. Gremlins.

[Chris Beam]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

By the way, speaking of studio.

[Chris Beam]

By the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Speaking of Gremlins and speaking of trolls, we got to reveal what happened. This.

[Chris Beam]

Now that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because now that Josh is back in the building, I have a bone to pick with you, sir.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What?

[Kyle Yeomans]

You guys tricked us.

[Chris Beam]

The Clapper. The Clapper fiasco.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That wasn't real.

[Chris Beam]

That was not real.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And I thought it was 1000% real.

[Isaiah Standback]

That was pretty Dargan good.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Beam and I got you pretty good.

[Kyle Yeomans]

1,000%. And I thought that's like the best practical. Practical joke you could pull on somebody harmless. It was hilarious.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Well, it started as an innocent way of doing it, but Beam, like, took it to the next step because we were just messing with Isaiah and then did the clap at the beginning of the episode. And then Beam changed it. I was like, okay, we're doing this.

[Chris Beam]

Then you kept it going the whole time?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah. No, if you're into improv at all. Yes, that's.

[Chris Beam]

Yes.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Ands. So I just kept going with it. And, yeah, we got you guys pretty good.

[Isaiah Standback]

Here's where. When he started saying it changes colors.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Like, oh, crap.

[Kyle Yeomans]

How many colors do I have in here.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, but. But that was a part of it. Because we never talked about changing colors. I was like, no. So if you say the color and then you clap, like, it was hilarious.

[Chris Beam]

It really had us.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And Beam and I were communicating via telepathy.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah. Here was the tale. Eventually, this is where we started to think, like, bro, we didn't have any idea.

[Isaiah Standback]

No.

[Chris Beam]

Later in the episode when the timing became off, I figured it was like.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Earlier in there, Alexa, clap lights on.

[Chris Beam]

The back end of the episode. It was like, clap, clap. Oh, it didn't work. Clap, clap. And it was because Beamer was back to like, oh, crap, I had a pages. He had forgotten the bit.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, I had to switch pages on the iPad.

[Chris Beam]

Got him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Dude, it was so funny.

[Chris Beam]

That was nice.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was hilarious.

[Chris Beam]

They cooked us.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The. My, My favorite part about it is Josh just, like, didn't even say anything at the end. And then once we all kind of got up, he goes, it's not real. He just goes, it's not. But the Clapper, the. The one, two. And I was even thinking in the middle of it, I was like, I feel like that's gonna be problematic at some point.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Some show. Mickey Spagnola is gonna be like, I can't believe this. And then it's gonna change just like that, you know? Like, I, I, I knew there was gonna be something there. But, man, good job. Well done. Of course, Joke number one. I wanted to wait for you to get back in the building.

[Josh Rodriguez]

More improv for, for talking Cowboys. I love it.

[Chris Beam]

And also, now that you're back in the building this Friday, we get to where.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yes, we do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hoodies.

[Chris Beam]

Hoodies, yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So excited about the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, Pat, let's get into some news and notes.

[Chris Beam]

Absolutely. So first and foremost, the Cowboys did wave linebacker Damone Clark. Former 5th round pick Damone Clark, I mean, he, he overcame the neck fusion surgery, you know, to avoid his rookie season being a red shirt year. He came in when they really needed him in October of that season because of injury at the position. He got off to a fast, hot start there. You know, the potential was most certain there. Kind of thrived a bit. He was up and down, but had some thriving moments under dq. But in the post, Dan Quinnera, it's just not worked out for Moan Clark. Mike Zimmer just did not find a way to utilize him. Things looked very, very good and promising for him in this year's training camp. Yeah, he was flying around. He was doing some things in training camp. But then the season started. And not unlike Maris Leophil, you know, just they got kind of pushed to the back as the Jack Sanborn variable came in and that was Eber F's guy. And then now you add Logan Wilson to the mix and the moan. Clark was already not getting utilized.

[Isaiah Standback]

So I'm surprised, I'm surprised that that was the move instead of Sanborn.

[Chris Beam]

I, I do agree.

[Isaiah Standback]

Because I feel like I do agree he gives you more than Sanborn gives you. Both do agree. The defense side and in the special team special.

[Chris Beam]

I do agree.

[Isaiah Standback]

So I don't. That move doesn't, I don't understand it. If you're going to make a move at that position, I don't understand why you would choose him versus could they.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Make a move with Sanborn being on ir.

[Isaiah Standback]

Why would you put them on ir? Well, he got that fingernail thing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's what I was about to say. I was like, hold on, we got to make something up there.

[Chris Beam]

You know what I think? I think and this is from, I mean, I've had endless conversations with Damone from day one, him as a rookie through this entire process as recently as Monday, ahead of the game after the enactors came out. And he just, his spirits were as high as they could be, but it just felt more and more like he was kind of dejected with not getting opportunities and frustrated. And then I think more so what kind of fractured the relationship between he and the, the organization more than anything was after what happened with him and Mike Zimmer, as far as just him not being able to get on the field. Here comes Iverflus, a linebackers coach a little bit, a little bit more youthful. And then, you know, Damon is feeling like, okay, here we are. And then it doesn't happen that way. And it's so deflating and it's so defeating. I really think that Shonheimer said it best when he said that. He told him on, he was like, sometimes, you know, a fresh start somewhere else is just the best medicine. Now, sometimes that's just political speech, but in this particular case, I 100% do agree. I think Damon Clark needs a fresh start somewhere else.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But that was a pretty final word to have on Damone Clark and his, I guess, his future here in Dallas. Like that was a pretty definite thing for Schottenheimer to say. I was surprised to hear him say something so definitive in that, like his future is elsewhere and not here with the Cowboys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, because he, he was waived in this scenario. He was waived so he could be brought back to the practice squad.

[Chris Beam]

I don't.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But I didn't.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't think that's not.

[Chris Beam]

That's not going to be.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Especially after Shoddy's yesterday. But I. Of course, with all respect in the world to Damon and what he's.

[Chris Beam]

But I think it's also because in that conversation, whatever however that dialogue went, I think both sides understand that it needs to end. So even if he were to clear waivers, he's not interested in facts. Rejoining the practice squad. Very true. So that's what I mean. Now with that, that frees up the spot that was needed for. You want some good news? Because you do love your dts. Perry. And Winfrey is activated from injured reserve.

[Isaiah Standback]

Here we go.

[Chris Beam]

So now we're talking about a defensive tackle rotations. Yeah. That's going from arguably the weakest up against the cornerback position at a certain point, arguably the weakest position on the team to arguably the strongest. So walk with me now. So we got Quinn and Williams.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Chris Beam]

We got Kenny Clark.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Those guys are pretty good.

[Chris Beam]

We got Oso digazul.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, yeah, he's good.

[Chris Beam]

We got Solomon Thomas. Yep. Add Perry on Winfrey. And then you got the rookie Jay Thoya, who now gets to also get mentored by those guys that I just mentioned.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Didn't Jay Thoya have a sack? Oh, wait, no.

[Isaiah Standback]

That was James Houston.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Come on, dog. You could pay too much money to mix up James Houston with Jake Dori.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Come on, Joe.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah. Don't even look alike. But so, yeah. So Perry on Wininfrey, former All UFL team guy leader in tackler tackles at UFL. We all know about his emotional roster addition, I should say, because when they were doing the final roster cuts, he was under the belief that he had been cut. He went to Schottenheimer and he's very emotional and he's just like, ah, just give me a shot. And the whole time they're looking at him like, we didn't cut you. So it was turned out to be a fun, powerful story for a guy who's worked so hard to get to this point, but then unfortunately got bit by the injury bug, ends up on ir. So whenever he does play this season, which now he will, it will be his debut for the Cowboys at a position of strength now. So that rotation is just nasty.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's so exciting for me, especially coming off of that was my guy coming out of camp because I was so excited for him to finally get on the 53. And I was in every facet. I was like this guy on my 53 no matter what. Yeah. And to see him actually make the team and then to not play any snaps and since then has been tough to. To kind of like be on the cusp of waiting for him to return and then now that like you said, the one of the strengths of your defense is now the defensive line. The interior defensive line at that. I mean you had also Diggy Zoo with Quinn Williams Grade Top 5 overall in your defensive over the entire league of last week. Did you guys know that?

[Chris Beam]

Seems good.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's pretty impressive.

[Chris Beam]

Seems good.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Also Diggy Zoo graded out at a 90.6.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sounds good to me.

[Josh Rodriguez]

When. And Williams graded out at 90.2. Best for 2 and 4.

[Isaiah Standback]

Is this on?

[Colin Coward]

Pff.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Pff.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Pretty amazing.

[Isaiah Standback]

What's your starting off? Starting defensive line and second string defensive line.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're talking about D tackle specifically or across the bill?

[Isaiah Standback]

Across the board.

[Chris Beam]

All right. So if I'm running four and I got two DEs.

[Isaiah Standback]

Four down lineman.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. I'm gonna go four.

[Chris Beam]

Okay, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's Clark and Williams on the inside.

[Chris Beam]

Clark, Williams, easy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

I'm throwing Jaden and probably so also second string.

[Chris Beam]

I see. This is what I'm toying with. I. I would. I would toy with OSA at. At edge. I would.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He'd throw him out there as a fight.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Well, you mentioned that last week you wanted us on the edge.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, I would.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He didn't really do a whole lot of that.

[Chris Beam]

But you gotta win it. Careful with that, Williams. Dante is coming. It's coming along. Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

Quinn and Williams and then there's and.

[Isaiah Standback]

Kenny Clark both interchange between one and a three. Yep.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Isaiah Standback]

I. For me, Jadevian clowney. Yep. Because his run stopping ability. And he's doing it. He's doing a relatively good job at a pass rushes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You can tell he's ramped up now.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, he's ramped up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's playing back to what you kind of wanted to see.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And his football IQ is there.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yes, very much.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Incredible. Genuinely.

[Isaiah Standback]

So Jadevian clowney is at one of the ends and osa's playing at the five.

[Chris Beam]

I'm not adverse to that.

[Isaiah Standback]

OSA five. Call it. Quinnan at the one. You got Kenny at the three. All right. I'm sorry. Yeah. You guys know what I'm saying? And then you have a Jadavian clown. And then your second wave. Your second wave. Dante Fowler. Donovan as a rock who at the ends. Okay. Interchangeable with James Houston. Okay. He rotate through there. And then you have Perry on Winfrey and Solomon Thomas.

[Chris Beam]

Two words Hell yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Isn't it crazy that we were in training camp? And Josh, I give you credit for this. We were talking about Perry on Winfrey coming off the street, signing as a free agent and immediately being thrust into a second or third spot on that defensive line. We didn't know what Solomon Thomas was going to be.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Right, of course.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You didn't know what Jay Torreille was going to be.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You didn't know how he was going to contribute in this defense at that age. Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And so with all of that being said, now you're looking at Perry on Winfrey as a fifth or sixth option on your defensive interior as opposed to a second or a third option. That shows just how much this entire group has grown filthy over the course of six months. Truly, it's unbelievable.

[Chris Beam]

From ashy to classy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Not even six months. It's more like four months. And it's just completely revamped.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Two weeks. You know, like you consider the trade being the biggest piece of it all to really solidify that defensive line is crazy.

[Chris Beam]

Thanos snap.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And that's what happened. Any other news and notes, Patrick?

[Chris Beam]

Yes, the Cowboys did wave Wesley French from the practice squad. He was a center. He's. He'd only been here a few weeks. He had arrived couple weeks or so before the bi week. So no real traction there. They saw what they needed to see or didn't see what they wanted to see. So they waved him and then they waved injured titan John Stevens Jr. Who was still on IR. So they waived, injured him with a settlement. So now John Stevens junior year, once he finishes getting back healthy, he'll have an opportunity with another teamment. I, I agree with you, Isaiah. I hate that the end came for John Stevens Jr. And the fashion in which it did. He just could not stay healthy. His body just cannot work with him after such a promising rookie. Training camp and preseason first two training camps, you would, you would have loved to see what he could have contributed to this tight ends room. But Unfortunately John Stevens Jr. He's no longer with the Cowboys in any capacity. So John Stevens Jr. All I can say is get healthy and go continue pursue your dream man. Because the talent is absolutely there. Yeah, just has to stay healthy, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

John Steven Jr. And then you talk about Damone Clark. Those are two really good dudes that the Cowboys had to move on from. People and good people that were in this locker room and that were very beneficial to the locker room.

[Isaiah Standback]

I hate it. I really hate it for John Stevens. He doesn't get the mentorship and coaching and development from Linda Wells anymore. That's like, it's one thing to have talent, Linda, really.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He spoke very highly of John, very highly of him.

[Isaiah Standback]

And everybody who comes into that room develops. Yeah, just one of the most undervalued from my perspective. One of the most undervalued position coaches in the league.

[Chris Beam]

I agree.

[Isaiah Standback]

And there hasn't been enough of an emphasis.

[Chris Beam]

They did almost lose.

[Isaiah Standback]

There hasn't been enough.

[Kyle Yeomans]

One of the only guys that came.

[Isaiah Standback]

Back on position of coaches in this league in development, they held, they're holding on to him because of his, the work that he puts in, into that room. So I hate that John Stevens, even though he'll have other opportunities, I highly doubt that he'll be able to go somewhere where somebody cares as much as Linda does.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Invaluable, for sure. You can't really put a price on what he's able to contribute. And you saw that more like you see the progression of Brevin Span Ford and his blocking ability. We've talked about it so far and.

[Isaiah Standback]

He'S nasty in the blocking.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Honestly, we're wanting the only podcast to really bring him up on a pretty consistent basis because we sort of see that. I mean, if you're watching tape, you see what he's able to control.

[Chris Beam]

We do.

[Isaiah Standback]

Oh, we know on occasion he plays.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So downhill and he's, he's a big.

[Isaiah Standback]

Dude, big freaking dude.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But, but the way that he has a nasty finish with his blocking, you could, you don't, you don't. I mean, you can teach that, but.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You have to want to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's doing that up himself. Like he wants that physicality. He wants the smoke. And I, I, I really do catch.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And he can catch and his, his yards after catch, man, come on. What are we doing?

[Chris Beam]

Like just a high talent, high ceiling guy whose body has just been betraying him in his young NFL career.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're talking about John Stevens.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, John Stevens. Yeah. So that's what I mean. I'm really hoping that, that, you know, he can stay healthy and if he can stay healthy, if he lands somewhere with the right type of coaching. Yeah, I hope that's, I hope in a year or two from now we're looking back at it and we're saying that that's what we wanted to see. And of course it'll be no one's fault. It's not a situation where all the cowboys gave up on him and he went and balled out somewhere else. Like, no, no, no.

[Kyle Yeomans]

For both of these guys. They gave them.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, he gave him opportunities. He just could not stay healthy. And we're not talking. Talking about minor injuries either.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, no.

[Chris Beam]

We're talking about two devastating injuries.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Right.

[Chris Beam]

You know what I mean? So.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But I could see him, like, do really well on a team like Baltimore or a team like the Patriots, you know, like flourish, really, if he's given another opportunity.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Got to be in the right spot and stay healthy. That's the other thing.

[Isaiah Standback]

Philly.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, we'll figure that out. Speaking of Philly, let's talk about the Philadelphia Eagles defense. QB vision is on the way. Isaiah Stack's been breaking down the film. He's going to tell you exactly what the Cowboys offense is going to see in this matchup coming up on Sunday afternoon. More Talking Cowboys right after this.

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Isaiah Standback]

Oh, I watched.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Been seeing some good things.

[Chris Beam]

Totally. They have some talent. Yup.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Some great talent.

[Chris Beam]

And they got some fight. Hoping this is the year. Me too. Oh, I'm Cody, by the way.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Back to Talking Cowboys. Back here on Talking Cowboys, presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company. This segment is brought to you by Invisalign. The official smile of the Dallas Cowboys. Back with Patrick no see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Chris Beem in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans and I see this comment here for the fifth member of our crew. Michael in the comments said, bro, seriously, every episode I'm more convinced of Isaiah Stambach being part of the coaching staff of your Dallas Cowboys. Then he put in parentheses, he said, I like that. Bring that wisdom, bro. That's a good segue into a little bit of some wide 80. Wide 80. It's time for QB Vision with Isaiah. Stand back. I hate that this has become the tradition.

[Chris Beam]

It's a thing.

[Isaiah Standback]

First of all, shout out. Appreciate the love. You won't find me in any coaching rooms. Unfortunately, I will stay on the media side to make sure that's what all.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Coaches say before they take a new coaching job.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, you have a really big personality. You have lots of love to give. You have. Listen, I need your arms and many fires, if you will.

[Isaiah Standback]

He's attached to my family.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sounds like Lane Kiffin is what he sounds like. That's what he sounds like. Wow. Sounds like, oh, I'm at Ole Miss. I'm not worried about that Florida job or I'm not worried about that LSU job?

[Isaiah Standback]

Show me the money.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Exactly. All right, now we're getting to the bottom of it.

[Chris Beam]

Ted DiBiase, everybody's got a price. Hello.

[Josh Rodriguez]

All right.

[Isaiah Standback]

All right, let's talk about it. We're about to play the Philadelphia Eagles. The Philadelphia Eagles. We all understand that this is not the Las Vegas Raiders.

[Chris Beam]

Okay?

[Isaiah Standback]

Let's just keep it 100.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And what were the. What were the Raiders? You said trash. And what are the Eagles?

[Isaiah Standback]

Not trash. Not even recycled.

[Chris Beam]

Compost.

[Isaiah Standback]

Not any of that stuff. Listen, the Eagles are good, man. Keep it 100. I. I am looking forward to this matchup because I think that this. I think both of our teams are built to beat each other. I truly believe that. I think that the. That Howie Roseman and. And Double J are literally building their rosters to compete with each other. I think they understand that they are the two top dogs in this division, and their rosters are indicative of that. It's no different than then the Buffalo Bills building their roster to beat the Kansas City Chiefs. It just is what it is. You got to play these guys twice a year, and in order to get to where you want to get, you have to get past this team. So I think that obviously what the hobby Roseman has done with his roster defensively, Dallas has combated that. They've invested a ton into their defensive line. We've invested a ton into our offensive line. They even had a lot of young talent show up at, at the linebacker and secondary position. We've added a lot of talent there as well. Right. They've invested in Jake Ferguson, they invested in CD and now hopefully George Pickens, they brought him in over on a trade. He was there week one. We played them and obviously he. Hopefully he gets an extension here. But do it. They will. They will do it. It probably won't be the number he wants, but they'll do it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And Mirror Images in terms of receivers, very much drafting a generational talent and then also trading for another guy that you absolutely needed.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because for them it was Devonte Smith was what, first rounder in 2021. And then AJ Brown was traded. And then for us, of course, CD Lamb in 2020 and George Pickens was traded.

[Isaiah Standback]

So it's almost.

[Chris Beam]

I like peeking at their homework, huh?

[Isaiah Standback]

Quarterback.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Good point.

[Chris Beam]

I like it.

[Isaiah Standback]

Quarterbacks invested in tight ends, both have seven touchdowns. Receivers, they're under. Their receivers are under productive right now, but they still strike fire. But let's talk about this defense, all right? Starts with their defensive line. Defensive line is nasty. Defensive line has been nasty. When Dallas lost in week one, they OB lost their best player prior to the game.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You don't think that'll happen again? You don't think we'll get lucky like that?

[Isaiah Standback]

Getting a loogie? Bro, we're not even getting a. A jamar chase loogie on this.

[Josh Rodriguez]

A lucky loogie.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah. We're not getting that. His presence was missed in that game.

[Chris Beam]

Like bounces grass and hits his shoes.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, not happening. Ah, reflection. I. I think Dallas.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Tyler guy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Tyler guy.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

I believe that Dallas had more success than they would have had in week one in the running game because Jaylen Carter was not present. I'm not taking anything away from our offensive line, but we know that Jalen Carter is one of the best interior defense linemen in the league. That's factual. He wasn't there because of his actions. Yeah, he will be there.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You think he's ready for this game too?

[Isaiah Standback]

Yes. Jordan Davis will be there. Morrow Ojomo will be there, number 97. Oh, and then there's a new guy that they added.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who's that?

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah. Jalen Phillips. Jalen Phillips from Miami. They have him list as a outside linebacker because they have it on the depth chart as a 3, 4 defense. He will be there. And he's a dude this defense, but.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We don't know him as much. Are you sure he's a dude?

[Isaiah Standback]

He's a dude and he has infused even more energy into this defense. I truly believe that their front seven is the best part of their defense. Their defensive linemen are all dangerous in their own right. Jalen Carter is disruptive. Jordan Davis is hard to move. Morrow Ojomo is active and very physical. And now they have a true pass rusher that can be disruptive. They didn't have a disruptive pass rusher when we played them in week one. Now they do in Phillips. Jalen Phillips is a disruptor, number 50. He'll be standing up on the edge. I don't remember if he switches sides, but I know he'll be over Terrence still. So that front line is something that you have to be concerned about. I went back and I watched week one. I loved how intense Dallas played. Dallas played very physical. If this is a ball game that Dallas wants to win, you're going to have to out physical. The Philadelphia Eagles are ARR.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, Are you still on radio?

[Isaiah Standback]

Listen, there's.

[Chris Beam]

Listen, matey.

[Isaiah Standback]

It's a hell of a matchup, man. Playing the bucketing I. I truly think that they probably have the best linebacker core I think they probably have the best linebacker core in the NFL.

[Chris Beam]

Wow.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's my best one.

[Isaiah Standback]

That's my opinion. They have the best line. In my opinion, they have the best linebacker corner in the NFL.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And linebackers have been giving this team many problems. Have they?

[Isaiah Standback]

At the moment.

[Chris Beam]

At the moment.

[Isaiah Standback]

At the moment. That's all I can speak to.

[Chris Beam]

At the moment.

[Isaiah Standback]

That's all I can speak to. Zach Bond is smart, very smart, cerebral. This defensive line, just for the same reasons why I wanted Quinn and Williams and Kenny Clark playing together. It's hard to get up to those. To that second level. So when you're spending your time at the offensive line blocking though, that, you know, those interior defensive linemen, their linebackers don't wait like they really don't wait like they. Their linebackers react the way in which I. I wish that our linebackers had up until this point of the season.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

When a hole opens up, Zach Bond freaking hits it. It. He's going. He's not waiting to see what happens. I'm not waiting to see if he's going to go on door A or door B. He's taking whatever door opens and then they're playing off of that. They have Nicole Dean, who I've had the pleasure of meeting and talking to. Listen the same way that we speak about demarvion overshone in terms of his passion for the game. Same vibes I get from the Kobe Dean.

[Chris Beam]

That is correct.

[Isaiah Standback]

He loves the game of football.

[Chris Beam]

Correct.

[Isaiah Standback]

Like genuinely like it. Like it's exuding off him. Like it just. It just radiates.

[Chris Beam]

Go dogs.

[Isaiah Standback]

He's a dude.

[Chris Beam]

Thank you.

[Isaiah Standback]

He'll be the one in the elbow brace. He's a.

[Chris Beam]

He's.

[Isaiah Standback]

He's athletic. He makes it very difficult. I talked a lot about how. How Jake Ferguson is going to have to have a day. Yeah. For Dallas to be successful offensively. Well, he's got to deal with Nicole Dean and the Kobe Dean can run. You're not going to outrun him. Right. And he's. He's going to be in your hip pocket. You're going to have to make contested catches. He's going to be there. Right. He's always going to be into play. Jlix Hunt, 58. He's. He's a dude as well. So front seven is a problem. You got to meet them. Head up. Right. Take care of your business. You were able to have success against them last time. Do it again. Except this time you got a block 98. Okay. So tight ends were physical last time. I was very impressed with, with our, our guy. Brevis Span Ford. He was very physical. Schoon maker.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I was actually, I was about to say schoolmaker. I remember being really physical.

[Isaiah Standback]

Schoolmaker was physical. So they were amped up for week.

[Kyle Yeomans]

One and they utilized Ferg in the, in the passing game. Yes, used him a lot as a receiver in that game. And they kind of had Schoo maker as the physical enforcer. And a lot of that allowed for Ferguson to do what he did, which we were just talking about yesterday, is something that you want to get back to.

[Chris Beam]

Correct.

[Isaiah Standback]

So they listed as a three man front, but they'll is really a four man front. They'll stand up Jaylen Phillips, he'll be like a kind of in bicycle stance. So I consider it a four man front. They can call it three four. All day long it's four three. Let's go to the secondary secondary. Solid physical. Physical secondary. I'll say that I'm not sure that they're the best cover guys in the league, but they're very physical. I can tell you the one guy who does cover well is Cooper Dejing, number 33. I like everything about him. Young, talented, physical, feisty, right punching the mouth. He punked Jalen Tolbert the first time we played him. I'm really hopeful that Jalen Tolbert gets some get back. He came downhill in the screen game. Jalen Tolbert was supposed to be blocking and just slapped him. Just slapped him around. CD Lamb had to come to Jalen Tolbert's defense. Dak Prescott had to come to Jalen Tolbert's defense. So I'm hoping that Jalen Tolbert get some. Get back within the parameters of play and don't hurt your team.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But get a 15 yarder.

[Isaiah Standback]

Don't do that. So Cooper De Jean's nice. Reed Blankenship's one of the better safeties in the league. I think he's just, he's smart, he's. He's reactive. He goes sideline to sideline. Quinon Mitchell, I give him his respect. He's. He's okay. I don't, I'm not. I know a lot of people are high on him. I'm not. I don't think that they are put in a lot of positions to play a lot of man to man coverage. I think maybe 25 or something like that. I think they're more of his own team. They do a really good job of hiding what it is that they're doing in terms of their safety movement. It's very late.

[Chris Beam]

It's.

[Isaiah Standback]

It's. Vic Fangio's defenses are always disciplined. Dak Prescott has had success against Vic Fangios defenses, but collectively as a team, he hasn't won much against him. I think he's 1 in 4, 1 in 5, 1 and 3. Yeah. One of. There you go. But he has done a good job in terms of his statistical category against him. Five touchdowns, one interception, I believe so. Dak has seen everything before. These guys will try to bring pressure, but Dak does handle pressure very well. The way where I think these guys are weak. Okay. I'm trying to give you kind of a front to back type of overhaul here. The middle of their field, it's. It's booty, butt naked. No Huggies.

[Chris Beam]

Just.

[Isaiah Standback]

Just go streaking through the quad in the Coliseum. It's the middle.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like my house.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. You got three of them jokers running around. The middle of their field is open, open. It is so vacant that. That's why I feel like Jake Ferguson can have a day. I mentioned CD Lamb on his over routes. I mentioned George Pickens on his deep in routes. Those are typically the routes that those guys run. I hope that they mix it up a little bit more so it's not as predictable. They will cut your. Cut your over routes. Just like we saw this past week.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

The receding Lamb was trying to run an over route. The safety sees him, he drops down from a too high look to a one high look to enter and intercede and prevent CD Lamb from getting over. Okay, cool. But the in routes, the slant routes, all those things, they're going to be contested. But if you can catch it and you can make one man miss the guy who's on your back, there's a lot of Yak yardage to be had. And I really think that Dallas can expose Philadelphia in the passing game by taking advantage of that vacant middle. And I'm Talking about like 30 yards of vacancy here. Yeah. Not talking about a couple yards. This is like, like. It's like the freaking Red Sea. But by doing that, guys have to win at the line of scrimmage, getting off the ball, and then you got to be able to block it up. So Dak has time when.

[Kyle Yeomans]

When you look at the middle of the field and there are a lot of Texas fans that watch this. So I know a lot of people are going to ask about Andrew Macuba, the safety. What has he been tabbed with doing in this Vic Vangio type of defense and in his system and how has he played to, to start the year as a rookie safety?

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, they, they usually roll him down to be like the down safety. He'll start high again. They'll give a two man. They'll give a too high look and then it'll be like a late rotation. Right. It'll be a late sign there. Yeah, I don't know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It'll be a. I'm not a Texas fan. We're talking about Andrew.

[Chris Beam]

We didn't tell you.

[Isaiah Standback]

Congratulations on being ranked, by the way.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, yeah, thank you very much. Our college football minutes coming up on Friday. We'll talk about it plenty.

[Isaiah Standback]

So they do a lot of late rotations and they'll, they'll cut those guys. So what they're trying to do is they play their safeties really deep. They really try to get you to hold on to the ball. Right. We've seen this before. Denver did a really good job about this. I've made everybody aware of what Denver did. Denver brought pressure, though, and really counted on their front seven to get home. While you were sitting there patting the ball, waiting for your guys to get beyond their secondary. Don't try to get beyond their secondary. CD Lamb did a really good job of it in week one, but it was off of double moves. Right. CD Lamb was able to get him fake the in route, fake the post route, get them to bite on it and then break it back out to the sideline. He had a lot of success versus Them on that. George Pickens was able to get some, some pass interference calls because Dak had the time to sit back, pat the ball a little bit and throw the ball down the field and let George Pickens try to get it. They held him. We got the ball all the way moved to the goal line. We. So we had some success in week one versus this defense. I'm not saying that you can't beat this defense. I'm saying that they are very vulnerable to get beat. But you have to protect and you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Have that buy afford the time.

[Isaiah Standback]

You have to have the time. Your guys can beat their guys. Our receivers are better than their secondary. Our, our tight end can body up. I'm not going to say he's faster and can out route him up, but he can body up. You can get the ball to Jake Ferguson on some and plays across the middle. 12 yards, you know, 15 yards, whatever it is, but he's going to be, it's going to be a contested catch. Don't expect a whole lot after it, catch, tackle, whatever. And then you have to be able to run the ball. If you can run the ball effectively, you can control this game. It's going to be competitive. You're going to have your wins, you're.

[Chris Beam]

Going to have your losses.

[Isaiah Standback]

It's going to be a freaking battle royale. But you can beat this defense up. You truly can. You're going to have to do it by having sustainable, long, methodical drives. And then when you get your shot, you got to. You got to connect.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I love what you're saying about Jake Ferguson and the ability that he has to sort of take advantage over the middle. And it's one of those things where, at least for the Cowboys, if they're able to take advantage of that early, the Eagles are smart enough, especially Vic Fangio, to account for that. If they see the Dallas is attacking the middle, then they have to. They are able to, and they will adjust. And you have to be able to take what the defense gives you, right? Which opens up CD and cd George and George. And that's exactly what you want to do. And a part of that, too is like, I don't necessarily think you need to just pound the run game, the entire game. Like, I really don't think that that's necessary.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's also not going to happen a whole lot of effective. It's not going to be effective.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No. I think you have to rely on quick passes. Let that set up your run game game. Like that's, that's where I'm at.

[Isaiah Standback]

Their. Their linebackers are so aggressive and they're so good, right. They're so reactive to the run, right? So if you have success in your run game, Zach Bond, Nicobe Dean, they're not waiting, right, to see if you're handing the ball off or doing play action. They're shooting the gap, right? So if you're have.

[Josh Rodriguez]

If you have.

[Isaiah Standback]

If you can establish a running game in the beginning, I'm talking about four yards a pop, right? I'm not talking about no big splash play. Four yards, four yard, like consistent, like crap. Man, these guys just. He's running into the back of the lineman. But then they're falling for four yards like, all right, it's second and six. Crap. If you can do that consistently, then those linebackers have no choice but to react to the run. And now Jake Ferguson can eat now.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And when we're talking about mirroring what Philadelphia does, use Jake Ferguson like they do Dallas Godard because there are so many situations where he's wide open. The middle field because we're have teams are having to account For Smith and A.J. brown and Goddard is wide open. Please do that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So everything that you guys are saying, it all points back to one spot on the field for me and it's the offensive line 100% and it's got to start up front. When we come back on talking Cowboys, is this offensive line whole again in order to take down Philadelphia? Are they talented enough now that they are whole? They are healthy, all five guys are up front that they can handle what Philadelphia has on that defensive line. We'll talk about that when we come back.

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Yeah, you're right. All right, let's talk about the offensive line here. And Isaiah, you just talked about the defensive front.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

How good they are and how much they do challenge you. But Patrick, I'll throw it to you to start here with the five guys up front. Everybody Being back in the full. Is this the game where you finally see this offensive line click against a formidable opponent because they played well against the Raiders for the most part, they have not played well against a formidable opponent since Cooper BB returned. Can this be the game where they step it up and you finally see what you want to see out of the investment that you've put on your offensive line?

[Chris Beam]

It can and it better. Seriously, it has to be. But I will say this. Tyler Booker, before injury and coming back off of injury now that he has a couple games under his belt, he looks like he's getting back into his groove. We know that he's. He's just a road gritter, right. So he's. He's going to hold up very well against that Eagles interior defensive line. Cooper BB he's a couple games back now. I think he gets back into his groove. I think the, the Raiders game being his second game back, that was a good of way of getting his confidence back to where it needs to get Tyler Smith. I think Tyler Smith's going to be Tyler Smith. I just need him to kind of get away from the. The penalties that are kind of starting to crop up with him. Right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah. So.

[Chris Beam]

And I know that he can because he's not normally a highly penalized guy. But that interior offensive line for the Cowboys, I believe it can hold up and it has no choice but to. Now the bigger question mark is can your tackles hold up? Okay. Talk about the addition of Phillips. Right? So they're stronger, the Eagles are at the edges than they were in week one where they were heavy in the middle and then the edges, you were like, eh, whatever. You got that? Not the case. Now I will say there is some promise here going into this game. First and foremost, let's talk about Tyler Guyton. Looked at Tyler Guyton's protection numbers from against the Raiders and he allowed only one pressure with no sacks on 34 drop backs. Despite he didn't get a lot of help. Help, not a lot of chip work. Almost 80% of the time he was 1v1, so that's promising. He was on his island more than three quarters of the time and he held up well. He only faced Max Crosby 1v1 on two occasions, but no pressures allowed. So Tyler Guyton, Oscar nominations aside, he. He acquitted himself well and now comes a guy like Phillips in this front. Now the bigger question was with Brian Schottenheimer saying that there was an open competition at right tackle.

[Kyle Yeomans]

His words.

[Chris Beam]

His words. Looks like Terence still understood the assignment. Okay, Terrence Steele's numbers against mostly Max Crosby. Okay, so Terrence Steele overall had 16 out of 16 reps versus Max Crosby. 15 of them were 1v1. He only got assistance on one of those reps. He only allowed two pressures out of those 16 total reps. 15, 1v1. And no sex. Because even the strip fumble that came from Tyler Guy side and you. And you could argue that Dak held the ball a little too long, whatever the case may be. Right. So that being said, I love what I saw against Max Crosby led defensive end room. That gives me very good confidence that you can repeat it against a Jalen Phillips led defensive end room, but you got to go and do it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

There is a word that Isaiah kept referring to last week when talking about the Raiders defense outside of Max Crosby. And what was that?

[Isaiah Standback]

Trash.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I think that is in large part due to how well the offensive line played.

[Chris Beam]

Last thing plays into the other thing.

[Josh Rodriguez]

One thing plays into the other thing. And yes, it was a stout game from Tyler Guyton. It was a stout game from Terence. Still considering going up against Matt Crosby. But that is one player. And as Isaiah just eloquently put, they have several yes guys that you got to account for and worry about. And through the totality of the season, you have not seen a very consistent Tyler Guyton. I would not expect a very consistent Tyler Guyton in this game because of the challenge that's in front of him and that's not to dissuade him. And part of me is like, okay, well, if the feeling that the offensive line gets after this Raiders game says, like, all right, we're those guys, we can do this on a week in, a week out basis. You know, fake it till you make it. Sure, absolutely. But you have a real test coming in front of you. And what we talked about, even if we were able to beat the Raiders, and granted, I think we would have beat the Raiders had we not had a brand new look defense, I think that was very much a possibility even with how poorly we were playing. And then you get these new guys and now you have a, you know, a new sense of like, okay, a new look defense. This is how we're playing now. Again, that is a tough, tough thing to say after a team like the Raiders. And I don't want to be like, oh, well, it's just the Raiders, it's all competition. But you have to put it in context of like, these guys are really, really good that you're going up against. And you have to have that same mentality if you're Dallas again this week. So you have to come in with that same grit, determination, all of those things. And like I said, even if you're not the best one v one, you have to fake it till you make it and have that confidence that you can do it. So I'm concerned for sure going up against this defense, and this feels like another one of those games where the Dallas Cowboys have to be perfect on basically every level.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah. So I do agree. I agree.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And you're going up against team. Sorry, you're going up against a team that is not playing their best football and still winning just about everything.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They're playing their best football on the defensive side, though.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean, they've allowed 16 points since week eight and against two really good offenses. Detroit, last week, they gave up seven points. Detroit was unstoppable going into that and they could not do anything. And if they got into the red zone, they knew it was one of their few opportunities to score and to put points on the board. So what did they do? They went for it on fourth down instead of kicking field goals because they knew field goals wouldn't have gotten it done.

[Chris Beam]

So I do agree with Josh. One thing plays into the other. Absolutely correct. And we're talking about the Raiders. Absolutely correct. What I would counter with, though, is if these numbers that I was seeing from Tyler Guyton and particularly Terence Steele field versus Max Crosby, if these numbers had a higher percentage of chip blocks and assists, then I would be more inclined to say, okay, well, it's more so because the interior defensive line against the Raiders were so poor, it allowed for the Cowboys to throw extra bodies at Max Crosby. Terrence Steele and Tyler gotten. They were doing this in one on one on his island with Max Crosby. So while I do agree, I would add that context to say what we do agree upon is that consistency needs to happen. They've been inconsistent, both of those guys.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

So they need to replicate what they did last week. But considering who they were on an island against last week, Max Crosby is a whole dude. So I. I'm. Phillips is a dude. Phillips is not better than Max.

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[Isaiah Standback]

I have confidence. I. I truly do. I think that our offense will have success. You're going to take some Ls. You're going to take some sacks, you're going to take some tips balls, you're going to. You're going to take some Ls. Right. It's going to be a battle royale. It's going to be like a game of pong going back and forth. Okay. You're not going to feel as if.

[Chris Beam]

There'S just this wave of.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, it's not going to be a wave of just, oh, you're just dominating the Eagles. You're going to have a negative play. You're going to have a positive play, negative play. It's going to be back and forth. I have confidence. But this team has to. They have to do two things. His offense we're talking about, they have to play as a unit up front, front. They can't be individuals. And you have to have emotional intelligence. You, you have to approach the game as a one unit of dogs. Like, you got to go out there with the mentality of we're about to put these cats through the ground.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yes.

[Isaiah Standback]

Like, you have to have this, you have to have this arrogance and this, this approach to the game, but you have to be able to know when to cut it off. Like when that whistle blows, you got to be able to turn the switch off, off. Okay. It's not gonna be no clap ons. All right. Like we doing here. But you got to be able to turn it off. Man. I. I'm excited. I'm excited because you're gonna find out who the heck you are this week.

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I like that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I like that.

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Right?

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I like those words.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A lot of different things gonna happen throughout the course of this week leading into that matchup with Philadelphia coming up on Sunday. Tomorrow we're gonna flip it to the offensive preview for the Philadelphia Eagles taking on this new look Dallas defense. Can what Dallas did at the trade deadline and getting them back from injury, can that help out what this team is going to do against the Philadelphia offense who has not been playing their best football as of late. More to come this week here on Talking Cowboys. For Patrick no See Walker for Josh Rodriguez. Isaiah Stamback, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from talking Cowboys. We'll see you tomorrow. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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