Talkin’ Cowboys: Can the Defense Get Right?

Summary

Talkin’ Cowboys: Can the Defense Get Right?

Podcast: Talkin’ Cowboys
Date: September 30, 2025
Hosts: Kyle Yeomans, Patrick No Ce Walker, Josh Rodriguez
Location: The Star in Frisco, TX
Theme: Analyzing whether the Cowboys' defense can bounce back, evaluating injuries, IR returns, and future roster moves. Listener calls add fan perspective on hot Cowboys topics.

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the urgent question: "Can the Dallas Cowboys' defense get right after a turbulent first month?" The crew breaks down recent injury news, the impact of upcoming returns from IR, how the running back group is outperforming expectations, and evaluates the strengths and weaknesses within the defense. This interactive edition also welcomes fan calls, ranging from cap space debates to thoughts about the Cowboys’ evolving team-building philosophy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Injury Updates & IR Windows

[04:20 – 08:41]

• Malik Hooker (Safety): Left the Packers game with a toe injury. Revealed the problem has lingered all season; could miss "a couple weeks."
  • Patrick Walker: "He did not have a boot on yesterday, but he was walking with a noticeable limp." (04:59)
• Tyler Guyton (Offensive Line): Left with a concussion, must clear protocol for Jets game.
  • Patrick Walker: "It is not up to him, it is not up to the Cowboys. It is up to the independent NFL neurologist." (05:25)
  • Patrick pushes back at social media rumors about conditioning.
  • "I don't know how you condition yourself against suffering a concussion. That's not how the human body works." (06:41)
• Miles Sanders (RB): Suffered ankle injury; optimism he could return vs. Jets, but backup options are being considered ("Jaden Blue very close to an NFL debut"—though the crew remains skeptical of these hints).
• Potential IR Returns (Week 5): Players eligible to open practice windows:
  • Phil Mafah, Savone Revel, Cailyn Carson, Jonathan Mingo, Josh Butler, Peyton Turner.
  • Crew particularly excited for Savone Revel ("need help [in the secondary] right now" — Josh Rodriguez, 14:41), and cautious optimism for Cailyn "Seatbelt" Carson returning healthy.

Running Back Room: Surprise Standouts

[08:53 – 12:28]

• Kyle and Josh admit they underrated Javonte Williams and Miles Sanders’ impact.
  • "I, I was wrong and I'm willing to admit it... I believe in those two guys." — Kyle Yeomans (08:57)
  • Patrick: "One thing about us is if we're wrong, we'll admit it." (09:42)
• Discussion over why Jaden Blue hasn’t cracked the rotation yet; fans anxious, but consensus is patience is warranted with a rookie.

IR Window: Who Do the Cowboys Need Most?

[13:51 – 19:01]

• Debate on who should return from IR first (Revel, Carson, or Mafah).
• Both Revel and Carson seen as crucial to repairing the secondary, especially given injuries and past performance issues.
  • Patrick Walker: "The secondary is in a situation where they don’t have the luxury to pick and choose what help is on the way. I think all the help needs to be on the way and then you sort things out from there." (16:33)
• Excitement for DeMarvion Overshown comeback; the linebacker group is thin and underperforming.
  • Kyle Yeomans: "It's either going to be the best comeback story... or one of the biggest what ifs." (20:04)
  • Josh compares Overshown's possible future to Sean Lee—a game-changer whose injuries may limit his legacy.

Wide Receiver & Cap Space Conversation: Should Pickens Be Extended?

[27:29 – 32:42]

• Caller asks about George Pickens’ contract status.
• CD Lamb previously said he can’t imagine Pickens not being with Dallas long-term. Jerry Jones recently echoed optimism.
  • Patrick Walker: "Cowboys right now still floating over $30 million in available salary cap space and they get to roll 100% of the unused portion over into the 2026 offseason." (29:40)
  • Important note: Pickens’ agent is same as Micah Parsons’—but the camp insists no hard feelings.
  • Kyle: "There's no reason for Pickens to do it now. He's betting on himself. And so far it's coming to fruition." (31:49)
  • Consensus: Cowboys should extend Pickens, but timing will depend on agent/player goals.

The Defensive Woes: Is It Personnel or Execution?

[32:54 – 37:35]

• Caller laments repeat defensive issues (missed tackles, lack of pass rush, undisciplined linebackers).
• Kyle: Communication and pass rush improved vs. Packers, but missed tackles erased the progress.
• Josh: "I don't think this defense currently, as we sit here, is good enough. I think you're missing at least three or four impact players." (34:57)
• Patrick: Defensive tackles (Kenny Clark, Osa, Solomon Thomas) playing well, but defensive ends and linebackers are lagging.
  • "You're set at defensive tackle." —Patrick Walker (35:55)
• Defensive ends (e.g., Dante Fowler, James Houston, Jadeveon Clowney) must step up to help weaker second level.

Phone Calls from Fans: Accountability, Roster Depth & Prioritizing Defense

[41:56 – 54:24]

• Brian (Kansas City) praises special teamer and new starter Wanye Thomas:
  • Patrick: "Oneye [Thomas] can react faster. He's quicker. He is literally faster... He has such a high football IQ, he picks up on things quickly." (45:31)
  • Both hosts highlight Thomas’ brains and attitude but acknowledge learning curve.
• Accountability appreciated when "Chicago Made Josh" calls in to apologize for a past bad suggestion (CD Lamb on end-arounds).
• Sebastian (Savannah, via Michigan): Emphasizes that penalties are the biggest issue holding Cowboys back. Advocates for spending cap space on defense over extending Pickens.
  • "If we can get this defense to a top 16 defense... this kid [Dak Prescott] is playing out of his mind." (50:47)
  • Kyle and Josh discuss the team’s shifting free agency and roster-building approach, noting recent additions like Kenny Clark, Javonte Williams, and George Pickens point to a new philosophy.

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Notable Quotes

• On injuries and rebounds:
  • "This toe issue has been something he's been dealing with all season." – Patrick Walker on Malik Hooker, (04:59)
• On personnel growth:
  • "One thing about us is if we're wrong, we'll admit it." – Patrick Walker, (09:42)
• On defensive reality:
  • "I don't think this defense currently, as we sit here, is good enough." – Josh Rodriguez, (34:57)
• On roster-building philosophy:
  • "Trajectory is on the right path... If the mentality is changing a bit and they're going to both use free agency and the draft to build a team..." – Josh Rodriguez, (52:21)
• Fan perspective:
  • "If we can get this defense to a top 16 defense... this kid [Dak] is playing out of his mind." – Sebastian, (50:47)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Injury Updates & IR Return Candidates: [04:20 – 14:39]
• Running Back Room Surprises: [08:53 – 12:28]
• IR Discussion – Who Returns First?: [13:51 – 19:01]
• Wide Receiver and Pickens Debate: [27:29 – 32:42]
• State of the Defense: [32:54 – 37:35]
• Listener Q&A—Roster Depth & Priorities: [41:56 – 54:24]

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Memorable Moments

• The crew openly admits missed preseason evaluations on RBs, setting a tone of humility and learning.
• Lively fan calls spark rapid-fire debates: from cap space allocations to in-depth breakdowns on backup safeties.
• “Seatbelt Carson” nickname dissected—how fan perceptions and training camp narratives can linger, for better or worse.
• "Chicago Made Josh" owns up to a take gone wrong, earning both grief and respect from the hosts.

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Takeaways

• The Cowboys' defense remains a work in progress, especially at linebacker and edge rusher.
• Returning IR players could dramatically impact both the secondary and LB corps.
• Running backs room and defensive tackle play are (surprisingly) areas of strength.
• The Pickens contract debate embodies a core tension between offensive firepower and the need to invest in defense, all under the umbrella of evolving front office strategy.
• The show thrives on its blend of news, honest analysis, and passionate fan engagement—a must-listen for diehard Cowboys followers.

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Transcript

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[Caller/Guest]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

It's on. Jake Ferguson.

[Caller/Guest]

Prescott keeps it and he bangs it.

[Patrick No See Walker]

In for the touchdown.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And now your hosts, Isaiah Stanbach, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans. It's a talking Tuesday edition of Talking Cowboys, presented by Black Rifle Coffee company live from the Star in Frisco, Texas and the SWBC studios. Welcome in, everybody. We've got Patrick no see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yomans, and it is is Tuesday, which means it's a talking Tuesday. Get on the phone line right this second, 888-855-2297, and dial up a little bit of talking Cowboys like it's 1997. Dial.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Dial it. Dial it up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

Oh, I like that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, yeah. No, I don't want to talk.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No. Someone said big tie Tuesday.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Big tie Tuesday.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Everybody all tied up.

[Josh Rodriguez]

People had some hot takes yesterday in the comments about the tie.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And whether or not the one that Patrick was wearing. Yes. The. The tie that, I mean, it didn't color coordinate exactly to the shirt that you were wearing.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

If it made sense.

[Patrick No See Walker]

The gradient was a little off. Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Just a little bit.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Taste. But that was the point.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, it's a little off, but the comments were saying more so that, like, there's a reason why ties exist. If you're not good enough to win, you're not terrible enough to lose. That's what you have it for.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Maybe.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't know if I agree. I would rather have a winner and a loser. We saw. I mean, just look at college football over the weekend. Some of the best games in the country. I mean, that Virginia, Florida State game was just insane. I don't know if I would want the crowd to rush the field that quickly because there were like 12 people that got injured and the game wasn't over. Yeah, that was wild.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It just stormed.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But it was an incredible game to watch. Yeah, for sure. I Mean, Tennessee, Mississippi State was a good game. They went into overtime. There were just a couple different two overtime games that you just watched and was like, man, this is great. And like I said with Tommy yesterday when he was playing devil's advocate with it, I, I get why ties are there because there are games between the Panthers and. And the Steelers that go 10, 10, and it's just gross and you got to just get it over with. But in a game like that, you want to see a winner.

[Josh Rodriguez]

At some point, we're going to win a big playoff game and I'm going to storm the field from the press box.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Just go ahead and down there.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Oh, you're going.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're parachuting.

[Patrick No See Walker]

No, he's going to do the whole Flying Squirrel thing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I need one of our. Our video AI.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, make it happen.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Somebody needs to get on like whatever the, the. The chat GPT or the Google Gemini or whatever it all is and just make a video of Josh flying squirrel around at and T stand. Please do that. It would make our entire.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I need shotty's face with like the big shadow that goes like, you know.

[Patrick No See Walker]

We need the sound effects also.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It goes from a small shadow to like a really.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I don't have the sound effects.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, man.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, we'll give us a call. 888-855-2297. Cowboys and packers tying at 40 in Week 4. Patrick, we have a pretty hefty list of news and notes coming out of locker room yesterday. Couple of injury updates, and it is week five, which means if you were on IR previously.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's correct.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You can be taken off ir.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That is correct. And shouts out to Josh Flying Squirrel Rodriguez. All right, so first of all, before we get to the ir, let's talk about the players that suffered some injury coming out of that tie with the Packers. Malik Hooker left the game with a toe injury. I spoke with Malik in the locker room yesterday, and I asked him, I said, hey, what happened on that play? Did you, you know, jam your toe into the turf accidentally on that particular coverage? And he said no. Actually, as it turns out, this toe issue has been something he's been dealing with all season.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, wow.

[Patrick No See Walker]

He said, there's, you know, some. Some ligament issues he's dealing with there. And what happened on that particular play wasn't so much that he jammed his toe into the turf, but when he went to plant and go on that in that particular way on that particular coverage, it completely re. Aggravated it. So he did not have a boot on yesterday, but he was Walking with a noticeable limp. There's some discomfort, some pain there in that toe. So I asked him. This was before Stephen Jones spoke with 1053 the Fan yesterday at 3 o'. Clock. I asked Malik, I said, well, you know your MRI test. Are you still waiting for him? He said, I am, but it might be a couple weeks. That was his wording. Schonheimer then not long after thereafter said exactly that. It could be a couple weeks. But they're still trying to determine what the actual prognosis is. But yes, shot. He did say he would miss some time, obviously. What does that do? That thrust a guy like one gay Thomas at center stage and maybe try to work some Marquis Bell there in as well. But another guy, another starter going to be down for the Cowboys for at least a couple weeks. I'm a league hooker. Tyler Guyton, he left the game with a concussion, did not return. I spoke with him after the game. He told me that it was confirmed he did have a concussion. He obviously wants to return to the field for this trip to New York against the Jets. However, that is completely not up to him. It is not up to the Cowboys. It is up to the independent NFL neurologist. He has to get cleared from the protocol before he's allowed to return. And that's pretty much that. This is not one of those things where. And I think I saw someone. I didn't reply to it on Twitter because don't piss me off. Someone was basically intimating that Tyler Guyton because he suffered a concussion. There was some sort of conditioning issue there. I don't know how you condition yourself against suffering a concussion. That's actually not how the human body works. But nonetheless, concussions are concussions.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Needs to read more.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You know, brain power.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Use more big words.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You talk about those mental reps. Yeah, yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Big words.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He's a big brain it dude. He's got to get that. The weight with the strength rap on the. On the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I'm talking about the F1 driver. One driver.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It's like no concussions. I don't know if you knew that concussions are concussions. So we'll see if he clears the protocol. Shoddy said yesterday he's optimistic, but again, that optimism only goes so far. He has to clear concussion protocol. You know, could get him one of.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Those guardian caps that Romeo Dobbs was wearing.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Oh, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

One of those.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Dude, that would look great hit but the moon. You know, who would hang on and not get a concussion?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Know who would blow a gasket if they saw a cowboy wearing one of those. Guardian, like, not just from a actual clinical standpoint. He hates them with an absolute passion. Is Nick Eatman.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He can't stand them.

[Patrick No See Walker]

He's. What?

[Josh Rodriguez]

What are they doing? Like, he gets really upset about it. Storyliners ask him about it. Yeah, please.

[Kyle Yeomans]

First question today, please. Right off the top.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What do you think of guardian caps? Nick?

[Patrick No See Walker]

He's.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He's gonna be like, beam Scott done cut him off.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Just leave it there. Tyler. Guy has to clear. We'll see if he can take the tr. New York, Miles Sanders. He left the game with an ankle injury and wasn't too optimistic as far as the energy around that after the game, but some optimism yesterday, when you hear Brian Schottheimer say that there is a, at least a solid chance that Miles Sanders is on the field against the New York Jets. I did ask him. And this is a segue to the next portion that we were talking about. Kyle. I did ask him. Obviously the glaring question is, what does this mean for Jay in blue? Okay, so Schottenheimer said J blue is, quote, unquote, very close to making his NFL debut. I don't know what that means anymore because we're now 0 for 4 with those J and blue hints from Schottenheimer and Clayton Adams. So we will see. All I can say is we will see.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can I. Can I just add something about the running back room?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Come on with it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I. I was wrong and I'm willing to admit it because I was. I did have a little bit of blind faith in Javante Williams, but I wasn't thinking he would be what he is now.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, he's an animal.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Miles Sanders. I did think he was going to make the 53 man roster, but that dude runs tough, too. I was not convinced in the run game as a whole and the running back room was, at least from a veteran standpoint, predicted the way that I thought it would. But I just, I was very underwhelmed in preseason and in training camp. And now I've, I've admitted my ways. I, I believe in those two guys. And that's why Jaden Blue, I don't think is getting the.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And you know one thing, because you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Have two guys that are playing their.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Tails off real quick. Josh, I'll say this because this is actually a shout out to you, but also Kyle and Isaiah and just the whole talking Cowboys staff. Because one thing about us is if we're wrong, we'll admit it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yep, I did a yes wrong.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I Didn't have Miles Sanders on my 53.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You didn't?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, I did not.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Same here.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Go back and run the receipts. I did not. That being said, I felt justified in that. After that fumble. Sure. I was like, you see? Yeah. Do you see two games thereafter?

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's continued.

[Patrick No See Walker]

He's on the. He's on the upward trajectory. So I will say guys are serviceable.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Running backs and give credit to the offensive line up front.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Absolutely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Doing what they're doing. And then the scheme.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And also Connor Riley, Clayton Adams. Connor Riley.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That combo pack. Yeah. That's Derek Foster, what he's been able to come in and do with those running backs. So, yeah, let's give Derek Foster some. Some credit as well. But, you know, when it comes to Miles Sanders, I just need him to continue what he's doing because right now he's. He's making me eat a little bit of crow.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Absolutely. And he looks to be the most patient runner that you have. I mean, of course Javante Williams is a hammer out there. Like, he's. He's killing him. But at least with Miles Sanders, you have a sort of a different back. He gives you something different that Javante Williams is not giving you. However, after this last game, he came out for a little bit.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Didn't seem like he's. He may not be 100 going into this game, I'm not sure. But the lingering, like, when is Jaden Blue going to play? You know, I feel like that's been a question on our minds for the last three weeks, four weeks, and it feels more and more like we're getting there, but we're not. Like we're getting teased. We're not quite there. Jaden is the only thing that's blue.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm telling you, the. The comment section's been really fun today already. A lot of people giving great insight. And Kendrick, I. I completely agree with a comment he just had and I'm going to give him comment of the the first segment. Blue is a rookie waiting for his turn. They don't always play right away. It's normal. But they can give him a shot when they need it. I agree completely. It's normal for a fifth round running back to not be your starter right away and not earn significant carries right away. You would like him to be active just to get that experience. What it looks like in game action, especially with a guy like Blue who can be a home run hitter. But I get the first month of the season him not being available, especially when you see the gameplay and the performance of Williams and of Sanders and even at times Lip key and what he can do from a blocking standpoint. And they even gave him a couple carries in the matchup, third and 12.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, yeah, that was interesting.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But they give him a carry nonetheless. With all that being said, it's just a tight room for him to try and fit into and there's no rush to get him in the fold.

[Josh Rodriguez]

There is no rush. Absolutely. You're right. I just, I'm excited to see what he can do.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Well, to this point there's not been a rush, but now you have some things to figure out because. And this is what I presented to Schottenheimer in the press conference yesterday, assuming Miles Sanders can play, because, you know, you sound optimistic, shoddy, love that if he can play, he's doing it on at least one bad wheel. Okay. So you're hoping he can make it through the game, which means you're going to need some insurance. Okay. And then obviously if he can't go, then you need a guy like Jay and Blue. So how does this color the conversation as far as Blues potential debut this weekend against the jets as well as the Phil Mafia conversation? Because Phil Mafia is one of, like you said at the top of the show, one of several who qualify to have their practice window open this week. You have Sivone Revel, Kailyn Carson, Jonathan Mingle, Josh Butler, Peyton Turner, Phil Mafa of course demo. But the Marvin over shown is more of a mid season that you look at. And Perry on Winfrey, I'm told is is nowhere close. Yeah, but when you talk about Revel Carson, Mingle, Butler, Mafa and Turner, those guys can have their windows opened on tomorrow as early as tomorrow. And Mafo jumps out at me there because why? Well, Revel does as well. We'll talk about that. But Mafa in this conversation, why not bring Phil Mafa up? Is the question now. Because once you, once you do it, you also need the roster spot.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that's. That's where I'm at.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because if they're already crowded with Blue.

[Patrick No See Walker]

On the roster and keep in mind.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think, I think the Mafa IR stint is a stash.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I think it continues to your point. I think it continues because they're also slow playing the Tyler Booker sure to IR situation. Yeah, they really don't want to put CD Lamb's not going to ir. They really don't want to put Tyler Booker on ir. And because you don't want to do that, you're kind of trapped. Yeah. As Far as trying to figure out, okay, well who, right roster spot, who's the bottom of that. So my question to you guys would be, I agree with you. I think Phil Moffat stays on IR for now even with Miles Sanders dealing with some things. I think Jay and Blue is the answer to that. Who are you most excited or who would you most want to see come off of IR on that list as quickly as possible?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Savon Rebel.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Tell me why. I agree, but tell me why.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I mean you need help.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Me why?

[Josh Rodriguez]

And, and granted I haven't seen too much of. I mean you haven't seen him in this defense at all. But I think that's the most important aspect of your defense that needs the help right now. Like right now, like when Jerry talked about oh guys are on the way, it's like that's the guy you're talking about. And as highly as you guys have regarded him since he got drafted, I'm excited to see how he can contribute to this defense that desperately needs that help.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, and you need a ramp up period. Give him 21 days. Throw him out there to get out there. And he was a first round corner on tape at East Carolina. We've talked about him ad nauseum on these shows, on the draft show, especially even before the Cowboys drafted him. I mean Savone Revel is a, a dude and you're going to add him into the mix. It's going to take a little bit of a ramp up. I mean going from playing a non conference slate in the American Conference last year before he got hurt three games into the year to I mean he's going, he's going to go play from App State to whoever his first NFL team is on. It could be the Washington Commanders. So he's going to go from covering somebody from App State to Debo Samuel to Debo Samuel and Terry McLaurin and whoever it ends up being. So it will be a, an adjustment process for Revel. But let's start that now. Let's start getting him back in the fold because you need him to step up.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Another name that role. Sorry to interrupt. Another name that keeps popping up and I, every time it does I'm always like, oh yeah, Kaylin Carson, he's another name, another name that you, when we're talking about guys coming back, you know, the, the cornerbacks getting help, that's seat belt Carson, like what are we talking about? Granted you didn't see it when he was on the field last year, but.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Fans hate that name.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, I know they hate it.

[Caller/Guest]

I know they hate it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And, and it's understandable he hasn't earned that name yet. No, at all. It's. I'm saying that in jest, but a guy that you definitely need, you know.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Help when it comes to Caitlin Carson. There's, there are things that just the fans aren't privy to and I know for a fact, and this not, this is not excusing away bad play because there are some plays that he just put bad film out there. But when you saw how he flew out of the gates against the Cleveland Browns as a rookie, Game one versus Amari Cooper, okay, that has to tell you that there's a lot of upside in Kaylin Carson. But then he started dealing with the shoulder injury not long thereafter and he just didn't look right after that. I think that kind of accounted for some of the missed tackles that we saw, some of the unwillingness to tackle. I think it was self preservation because that shoulder was really, really bothering him. And then. Oh, ultimately he ends up, ends up on ir. Why? Because of the shoulder. I want to see what a healthy Kaylin Carson looks like in year two. That's what I'm curious to see. So I know a lot of people are writing him off because of the struggles he had and I'm simply saying some of those struggles was because he was trying to not worsen that shoulder. Inj. But I will also say when it comes to Revel, I want to see Revel out there. I want to see Carson out there. I think the secondary is in a situation where they don't have the luxury to pick and choose what help is on the way. I think all the help needs to be on the way and then you sort things out from there. So for me, I would like to see the practice window open for both Revel and Carson as early as tomorrow. Does that mean I think they're on the field against the Jets? No. No, probably not.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No.

[Patrick No See Walker]

No. And quick housekeeping note for those that may not know. 21 day practice window from IR means the Cowboys have exactly that 21 days of allowing that player to practice. And then at the end of that 21 days, if that player has not been activated to the roster just yet to the 53 man roster, they revert to season ending IR. But while they're on that 21 day window, they're not on the active roster yet. So no corresponding move is, is needed. But yeah, so give me Revel and Carson back at practice tomorrow hopefully. And then, you know, let's, let's try to get them on the field and help out the secondary.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think the seatbelt nickname from Carson really hates or not hates.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Hinders his progression because that nickname already gives people the perception.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, the perception of him because he was great in training camp in 2023 was. Was looking like a promising young corner. Which of course, it's training camp you're going to see hype that is both warranted and unwarranted. Kyrie Lim. There are ways that you're going to see it drop off into the season, but people just thought, oh yeah, seatbelt Carson. And then it became kind of a butt of a butt of the joke and it just ended up not being what he was because he was trying to play through injury and try and make an adjustment to the NFL and things like that. He could still be a serviceable player for this defense very quickly whenever he's back on the field. So anytime you can add bodies to the secondary, I'm here for it. I'm going to cheat on your list and say like all those names that you just rattled off that could come off of IR who I want to see in the fold quicker than others. It'd be demarvian Overshone. Who was back on the field with a helmet and a football in his hands last week. Get him back out there as quickly as possible because this linebacker room would need that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Absolutely. There's a comment here from lead commander. You know the Cowboys are in trouble when they are counting on over shown.

[Kyle Yeomans]

With all due respect, which is fair because their linebacker group is not playing well right now.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I know you're in trouble.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They are counting on him.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I counting on your nuclear warhead.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I've said this before and I'm going to say it again.

[Caller/Guest]

There are.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There are two ways. And I hate this for DeMarvi and overshone because he's a great dude. There are two ways his story is going to go. It's either going to be the best comeback story of all time. His second major lower body injury that he's had to come back from. He's going to be right back where he was. That's the best comeback story in Cowboys history or one of the best comeback stories in Cowboys history, or it'll go the other way and he's going to be even a smidge under what he was as the nuclear warhead of your defense. And it's going to be one of the biggest what ifs. What if he didn't get hurt? What if it didn't happen?

[Patrick No See Walker]

He just deserves.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There's no in between it's either he gets there and it's incredible or he doesn't get there even if he's slightly underneath it. And it's going to be a. I.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Would argue there's a Sean Lee trajectory as well. Or it's like one of those guys that, I mean you don't want to him to have that injury history, granted. I mean this is now two years with overshone being injured.

[Patrick No See Walker]

But.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But you know, one of those that always plays well when he is on the field.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You know, and you don't want that to happen. You don't want that.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Well, he's a game changer.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Absolutely.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Absolute game.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Cleveland game this Thanksgiving game last year.

[Josh Rodriguez]

The Thanksgiving game last year was a kids coming out party and then we haven't seen him.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Really quickly before we end the segment, I thought somebody was going to say Jonathan Mingo. Nah, nah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I like our receiver.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I, I like it more.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I want to give Jalen to another chance.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I like it more after what I saw against the packers, especially with the uptick in targets to Ryan Flanoy on the back end of that game. Keep that going and, and I can hold off a little bit on mingle if you keep that going with Feno.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

As we all know, I'm a Jalen Tolbert day one er. So I support everything that meant. No, I'm just kidding.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Tolbert proved a lot of lies.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He did.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He proved a lot of people wrong.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He did.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I want to see it keep going. I want to see it continue to grow. And if that's the case, then you've got four legitimate wide receivers. Especially when CD Lamb comes back, you have four guys you can count on. If Tolbert gets these reps picking shows that hey, he can go for a buck 34 and two tighties when you need him. There are a couple different things that you can work on there at the wide receiver position also, not to mention you have the leading receiver in terms of receptions at tight end too. And Jake Ferguson, get him further down.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Nice.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Got that touchdown.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Got it out. That's the hardest thing is just getting the monkey off your back. Once that happens now, hopefully the floodgates are opening up for Jake ferguson.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, the YouTube comments have been just absolutely awesome so far. You guys are killing it in the comments. But now it's time to answer some phone calls. 888-855-2297. If you want to be a part of talking Cowboys here on this talking Tuesday from the star in Frisco, we've got more to come right after this. Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. Spooky season is quickly approaching, so time to stock up on all your favorite treats. Now through October 7th, you can get early savings on your Halloween candy when you shop in store and online. Save on items like Hershey's, Reese's Pumpkins, Snickers Miniatures, Tootsie Rolls, Raw sugar, Milk Chocolate, Caramel, Jack O Lanterns, Brock's Candy, Corn Charms, Mini Pops, and more. Offer ends October 7th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Whether you're watching college football or flipping between games on Sunday, sound quality matters.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A Sonos home theater setup, especially the.

[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Relied on for generations to help you get the job done right.

[Patrick No See Walker]

We're with you. That's our promise to you. Because no matter the project or the challenge you're facing, we're with you. We're united.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If you're looking for fresh American roasted coffee that gives back, you need to head to your local grocery store and pick up a bag of Black Rifle Coffee. That's right, America's Coffee is now available in the coffee aisle of a grocery store near you. Black Rifle Coffee Company is veteran founded with a mission to give back to those brave men and women who have served our nation. Every bag, box or can you purchase helps support that mission. Head to your local grocery store and roast yourself some Black Rifle coffee today.

[Patrick No See Walker]

How's it going? You see that Cowboys game? Oh, I watched.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Been seeing some good things.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Totally. They have some talent.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yup.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Some great talent.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And they got some fight.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hoping this is the year.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Me too. Oh, I'm Cody, by the way.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm Travis.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Nice to meet you, Travis. Go Cowboys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Go Cowboys. Make a new friend based solely on their shirt choice.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What would you like the power to do?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Bank of America, the official bank of the Dallas Cowboys.

[Caller/Guest]

Copyright 2025 bank of America Corporation I'm home.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Hey mom, before you ask, I've done my homework and the dishwasher's unloaded. Nice. Hey, can you.

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, hon.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes, I've got the finale ready to play. Here's your wine. Wow.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Isn't it nice not having to ask?

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Back to talking cowboys. It's time for a little bit of talking Tuesday. Got a little I told you sounds.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Like an old it. He's like sitting on your sofa and you're watching me. What are you doing with your life?

[Josh Rodriguez]

And you're like, maybe I should go to DeVry.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You're like, you know what? I am a loser. That's how the commercial makes you feel, right? You know what?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I am a loser that the. The devi. Maybe I should go to.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But I'm also in like sixth grade watching Maury because I'm sick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The ultimate technical institute.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, it's time to take some phone calls. 888-855-2297. Let's start things off with trace in Iowa. What's going on, Trace?

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, guys. How are we doing today?

[Kyle Yeomans]

We are fantastic. How are you?

[Caller/Guest]

Good. Hey. Well, first of all, love the show. First time callers. Appreciate you having me on.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thanks, brother.

[Caller/Guest]

And I'd like to let you know, being up here in the Midwest dealing with a lot of these cheese heads all the time, and I'm hearing a lot of talk about the lack of holding calls with Micah Parsons. And I might have to be something they get used to. So I just wanted to let you guys know that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's incredible. Thank you for the phone call. You have something else?

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah, one more question. Kind of. Obviously the game was. It was quite the game. The defense, you know, is what it is. But kind of interesting thing I was thinking about where do you guys think they are with, you know, the George Pickens potential extension, things like that. I know seems to like it here. He's playing pretty well and things of that nature. So just kind of want to get your guys thoughts on kind of what. What you guys think about that and kind of what you guys would do personally kind of leading up to that. So. But I appreciate it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Anyway, thank you very much for the call trace. And first off, I just love that the More I think about that anecdote, the fact that the 31 other teams in the NFL are like, Ah, Cowboys fans, you're just whining, Micah doesn't get held on every play. It's like, yeah, he does. Yeah, he does. And then he gets traded. And the packers are like, yeah, we're with you.

[Patrick No See Walker]

He's getting held on every play.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What the heck?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Why won't they call it? Shut your mouth.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That was us, Patrick.

[Patrick No See Walker]

No, that's. That's them.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That was, that was us, though.

[Patrick No See Walker]

No, but it was us.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Hey, Green Bay. Cope. How about that?

[Patrick No See Walker]

How about that?

[Josh Rodriguez]

How about cope?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I love it. Pickens extension. Jerry was asked by Bobby Belt this morning on 105.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, was he?

[Patrick No See Walker]

He was asked by Robert. He was. Robert, right? Robert First, I'll say this because CD Lamb said earlier this off season and I wrote about it on the.com at the time, CD Lamb said he, quote unquote, doesn't see a situation in which George Pickens is not here. He said he doesn't see it as only a one year deal. This was C slam. Saying it months ago. Now you fast forward to what George Pickens has proven to be both in the locker room and on the field and you get Jerry Jones talking on 105. 3 the Fan. Again, excellent question by Bobby Belt. And of course Jerry is optimistic about the possibility of keeping George Pickens in Dallas for the long term. Like Kyle said, George Pickens, he looks refreshed, he looks rejuvenated, he looks confident. I think he, he feels like he's being believed in and he is. And Jerry Jones mentioned, as you know, as many times as he needs to, that by not signing a particular guy, you now have a lot of salary cap space to be able to sign other guys.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I mean, those are just facts.

[Patrick No See Walker]

So Cowboys right now still floating over $30 million in available salary cap space and they get to roll 100% of the unused portion over into the 2026 off season. So as it stands there is everybody wants the same thing. As it stands. As it stands. Of course that can change once the phone calls start flying and the offers and the counteroffers start flying. But nonetheless, and remember the agent. And remember the agent. I didn't want to. I didn't want to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sorry, you got to stay the Moguletta. I mean, it was the same agent that.

[Patrick No See Walker]

But then Michael parts respect to David though, because he said there, and I believe this, I do, because he is the consummate professional. He said there are no hard feelings. He said this is personal. So he's not going to hold what happened or did not happen with the Michael Parsons deal over the. The contract talks with George Pickens. That's just bad business.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And yeah, money still spends, but maybe.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And it's not going to reset the market. He's not resetting wide receiver markets like Michael Parsons was resetting edge markets. I still think it plays a factor and there is kind of a relationship there. And it is real life. And there are real feelings when, when you look at the contracts. And of course, the details of a lot of these new contracts aren't completely public yet. The Tyler Smith deals, the Ron Bland deals, like, all of this stuff is all kind of under the radar and how it's split up from year to year to year in the split between the two. But I think there's still room that you can get a Pickens deal done. You don't have to choose between these guys. And if you're going to go into free agency and say, yeah, we're going to spend all this money, I don't think I would rather you do that than to keep George Pickens. When it comes to wide receiver, my.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Only question would be pumpkin, sweet potato, peach, maybe.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Sweet potato was always the answer.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Which one do you want? George, because you're getting a piece of this pie.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Pause.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You're getting a piece of this pie. Sign them. Do it now. The price is only going to get bigger the more he does for you, especially with CD Lame out now. He's your number one target right now. Just do it.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Please do it now. Just do it now.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It would be great if we get one of these out of the way before training camp.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Please. I love the idea, but again, not to rain on the parade. They don't want to do it now. Pickens crew does not want to do this. Now. He has an opportunity over the next four games, possibly without CD Lamb in the fold, or three games down without CD Lamb in the fold. And he can say, oh, I look, I did this as a wide receiver. One, he's already got checkbox number one. Eight catches, 134 yards and two touchdowns. You take all that and it's like, oh, now my price has gone up. There's no reason for Pickens to do it now. He's betting on himself. And so far it's coming to fruition.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's fair. But to answer the question, I would love to do it. It is on the mind of both sides of the table. And they'll start talking when it's Time to start talking, I suppose. I'm with you guys. I'd put the offer on the table right now. It's a two way street. Has to be signed. Yeah, there's. But I'd put an offer on the table.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It'd be nice. It would be nice. All right, our second caller, Mike in New York. Not Mike. I know we are. We're playing the jets this week. I know you're in enemy territory as well. What's going on, Mike?

[Caller/Guest]

Going on, guys, I just, I want to see some improvements with the defense. I mean, I know it's, it's. See, we talk about this weekly like it's, I mean, there's something's got to change. It's like I, I'd like to see us get a little bit more of a pass rush. I mean it's, you know, I feel like we talk about the same thing every week. Our linebacker's got to be a little bit more discipline too. We're missing a lot of tackles too. It's like, I mean, I know it's gonna happen, but I don't know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I agree. Thank you, Mike, for the call. Appreciate you. And here are the things that at least going back and watching the film again. And I talked with a couple of former defenders, one being Barry. He said he liked the communication in the secondary more than he has previously.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I can agree.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And there was a little bit more of a pass rush just that you could see on film than what you had in the first three weeks. But when you're missing tackles, that negates the progress you made in those two areas.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yes, because you're structurally sound there. But if you're not making the tackle, then it's a moot point. You're not making any progress on, on the preparation that you've made going into it now. Hope tackling is more of an emphasis this week in practice, obviously without taking.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A step back in communication and pass rush.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Exactly, exactly. I mean, you just hope it comes together. And CJ Goodwin yesterday on Cowboys Hour was talking about that as well. And someone who's sort of an emergency cornerback and you know, it takes spells with the defense on occasion. But more so talking about how again, this is another coordinator, brand new system for them for the defense, third year in a row and it more so feels like these guys are going to take a few games to sort of get in line with what they're doing. Right now you have a quarter of the season or a quarter, what is it? A quarter season. Yeah, done. So now you have a Chance for the defense to sort of galvanize on the tape that they've put out there. My thing is, like, I don't know if the personnel is quite there. I. I think you can be structurally sound. You can have all the P's and Q's. You can dot all the eyes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're arguing they're just not good enough.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't think this defense currently as. As we sit here is good enough. I think you're missing at least three or four impact players that can make this defense what it needs to be.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Because I think you have a guy here, a guy there. You know, like you have some pieces, but you just need more playmakers. And DeMarvin overshone coming back would be one. Obviously the more healthier you get is going to make an impact. But I think at the second level, you are just looking for answers right now. And I don't think they're on your team.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Which means you need that much more production from your first level. Yeah. In order to help that second level. That's. That's having these struggles. And when I say that I'm. I'm again, to. To the caller's point. We're talking about the defensive ends. Right. The defensive tackles are playing exceptional football. Kenny Clark, he had a solid game. Not his best, but he had a solid game. But he's having a great season overall.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Absolutely.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Solomon Thomas, osa, they're having phenomenal seasons overall. You're set at defensive tackle, but even when you're coming out of this game.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can you say that again?

[Patrick No See Walker]

You're set at defensive.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I just wanted to hear it.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It felt.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's crazy.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It felt good to say. But the defensive end room, I mean, they.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's crazy how much things change. That's wild.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And running back, to be fair.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, we love our running backs.

[Patrick No See Walker]

We knew it. But you're getting pressure from the interior. But that pressure is. That contain is being broken. We saw Jordan Love break contain on several of those plays. Know Kenny Clark and Ola and Solly, they blew up the middle, did exactly what we wanted them to do, force him out, try to force him outside. But the contain wasn't there. Right. Missed tackles on the outside, things like that. And when Kenny Clark is leading the team leader from last game against the packers and pressures with four pressures from the interior. It's kind of problematic. Had a better day from Dante Fowler.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Not still. Not to the standard that you expect from Dante Fowler. But uptick as Raku had the best game of his young rookie career. Love the trajectory there. James Houston, we talked about him heavily yesterday. Jadevion got involved. He had three tackles, he had a couple of pressures. He's ramping up, but you have to get better pressure from the ends to help out what's happening in the middle of that defensive tackle, middle of that defensive line and then your secondary while they're trying to figure some things out. They have the time to figure out and things.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hey, and it's going to be super easy to contain whoever the Cowboys are playing at quarterback this week. Right. Like they there's no way they're playing like any of those high level mobile guys.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, nobody that ran for 43 yards.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And a touchdown last night. Justin Fields. All right, when we come back, we've got a couple more callers coming your way. Plus we do also have some waiver wire news that just popped up a moment ago. Bye, Buddy. I hope you find your dad in Indianapolis Colts pluck Buddy Johnson. That's the news. We may not have that on the other side. We'll be back in a moment. Talking Cowboys.

[Patrick No See Walker]

What are we doing?

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

A Sonos home theater setup, especially the.

[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Feel larger than life.

[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

I'm home.

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, Mom.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Before you ask, I've done my homework and the dishwasher's unloaded. Nice. Hey, can you.

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, hon.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes, I've got the finale ready to play. Here's your wine. Wow. Isn't it nice not having to ask? We think so. That's why if there's a network interruption @&t will proactively credit you for a full day of service. Guaranteed credit for fiber downtime lasting 20 minutes or more or for wireless downtime lasting 60 minutes or more caused by a single incident impacting 10 or more towers.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Restrictions and exclusions apply. See att.com guarantee for details.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If you're looking for fresh American roasted coffee that gives back, you need to head to your local grocery store and pick up a bag of Black Rifle coffee. That's right, America's coffee is now available in the coffee aisle of a grocery store near you. Black Rifle Coffee company is veteran founded with a mission to give back to those brave men and women who have served our nation. Every bag, box or can you purchase helps support that mission. Head to your local grocery store and roast yourself some Black Rifle coffee today.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Welcome back into Dear Doctor the show.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Where I answer life's questions with an.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Ice cold can of Dr. Pepper. Sheila, let's hear from our next caller.

[Caller/Guest]

Would you Dear doctor, My friend supported.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Me during a tough time, but what's.

[Patrick No See Walker]

The right gift that says thanks for being a shoulder to cry on? Okay, this one's easy. I say give her a delicious Dr. Pepper. Nothing says thanks girl better than a.

[Josh Rodriguez]

One of a kind soda.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yes, any Dr. Pepper flavor will do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now, just a reminder that I don't.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Need to be a real doctor to know that Dr. Pepper is the one you deserve.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

Who's arguing against elf beat?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, it's awesome.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Fans of A Christmas Story.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Well, first of all, don't do that. Number one fan of A Christmas Story.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Really?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Oh, freaking.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, we're going to rank Christmas movies.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It is my favorite.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, forget all these other callers.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And we won't because spooky season first.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I like it. I like it. This segment Is brought to you by Invisalign, the official smile of the Dallas Cowboys. We're having some fun. Patrick no see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Chris Beam in the back. And on the phone line right now we have Brian in Kansas City. Brian, what's going on?

[Caller/Guest]

Good morning, gentlemen.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Good morning.

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, I just wanted to say real quick, I love when Nebby calls. That guy is prepared.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Absolutely.

[Caller/Guest]

He understands football and he does the work before he calls. And I just want him to hear that from a fan.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's awesome. Love it. Yeah, we appreciate you, Brian.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah, so anyway, Nebby keep calling, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Nabi knows ball.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And I was listening to the previous segment and you guys are right here just hearing the words of. Nobody's complaining about One Tech now, right?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Caller/Guest]

And you, when this happens, like, we kind of forget and move on. We're like, well, we got this problem. We got this problem. We had this problem. And it was, you know, two years ago we were all saying that about the kickers. We're like, I was watching the break at training camp and a ball sails over Ambar Garcia's head and they're saying, oh well, we don't know about our kicker this year. And now we don't. We would never even think about, you know, not signing him to do a long term deal. Right. Same thing with One Tech. That problem is solved. And man, I can't tell you, just like Kyle said, how glad I am to hear that, to just not be complaining about that position anymore.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now we have other positions to complain about.

[Caller/Guest]

Let me ask you guys a question. With Wanye Thomas, maybe you guys could tell us because with backup players and guys that play teams and stuff like that, we don't all, we don't all know a lot as fans. We don't. And I don't live in Dallas, obviously. Yeah, we don't get to know a ton about those guys. Maybe you guys can tell us a little bit about what he brings to the table. That different. And going forward, however long it is going forward, what's different about him? What does he bring to the table? This special. What do they like about him? Does he have anything that we need to be, you know, any, any faults that you know, hey, this is something he'll have to work on. I'll hang up and listen. Good to talk to you gentlemen.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Appreciate you. Brian.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Really quickly, I'm not going to have the analysis that you guys have because you guys have seen one year on the field and on at practice and everything.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

At least for me, just from My standpoint, he's always making a play. I feel like every time I see him, he's flashing in one form or another and he's going after the ball. For me, that's the most important attribute you can have at that position. Granted, his coverage, all of that I'm sort of blind to at this point, but again and again and again, I see him making plays.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm going to write down a word here.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm going to write down a word. I like words and I don't have a piece of paper. I'm going to type.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Careful.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm going to type it down. It's going to describe Wanye Thomas and what his best attribute is. Just one single word. And I want you to say the word and see if it's the same word.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

See, I've already got it here. What you got?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Coverage.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. So kind of the same. Think more fundamental human attributes. Attributes.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Speed.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. See, I put smart.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He knows how to read a coverage. He knows how to read and react and to get after it. I think he's just a smart, heady football player. And that's why Brian asked, what does he bring to the table? Dallas knows exactly what they have in Wanye Thomas because he's been around since 2022. He was an undrafted free agent and he's the only, along with Marquis Bell, the only two undrafted free agents from that class that are still sticking around to this day. And that's for a reason.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And a lot of it is teams. But really when he's out there making plays, it's because he knows where to be and when to be there. I think he's a smart football player.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Agreed. And this is. This is where I am with Oneye in losing Malik Hooker. What you lose is the veteran experience and the veteran while. Sure. Right. So unfortunately, you can't fabricate that. Yeah, you're going to lose that. Which means they're going to be situations where Malik would have seen the play coming, whereas one year might not have seen the play coming. And that might simply be because Malik has been in the league and seen more games and so forth and so on. However, current skill set, youth, ability, one, yay. Can react faster. He's quicker. He is literally faster. One reason I said speed, but because he has such a high football iq, he picks up on things quickly. So if you. If you get him once, good luck getting them twice the same way. To your point. So he. He has the physical ability 100%. He's versatile. He can play Safety, he can play nickel corner. He can give you special teams plays. He's now made more than one, you know, game changing, special teams play in over the course of what, four or five games? Yeah, well, yeah, five games, give or take. When you go back to Washington, six games. So he gives you that ability. And I think those who don't know about one ye Thomas will be pleasantly surprised when they see him in a starting role for the Cowboys on the back end of that defense because one of the things that Malik is struggling with, be it the toe injury or whatever the case may be, communication is an aspect of it. But being able to recover and get back quickly. When it's like that oh crap moment. One year doesn't struggle in that oh crap moment. He's like, oh crap, I'm out. And he bails and he has to speed and everything to get there. So you're going to love Wanya Thomas. Is that to say he's going to make every single play? No, but he's going to make enough plays where you're like, okay, I see what they have there in one game.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And there, there are times where he's going to get himself in trouble because he sees it so quickly and he's going to get into, he's going to bite and he'll bite and it'll put him out and that's, that's where the experience has to play into the fold. But it's all things that are going to add up over time and the more reps he gets, I think the better he's going to be as a player, whether it's here in Dallas or once his contract's up or whatever it ends up being. I think he's a, he's a heady, smart, IQ driven football player and he has some skill set and some speed too to mesh with it. He's not the fastest corner, he's not the biggest corner, but he can get there because of the way he reads.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Mentality is full of dog. Love it, guys.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We have a comment of the day.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, what is it?

[Josh Rodriguez]

We have a comment of the day. Josh from Chicago. Chicago made Joshua. Josh I haven't been able to get in the past two weeks, but I wanted to apologize for saying CD should run those end arounds. I was wrong. Have a nice day. We found the culprit.

[Patrick No See Walker]

We did.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It is Chicago made Josh. How dare you, my friend. You made us do a. You made us do an impression of Randy Macho Man Savage on this show and you brought bad juju. How dare you get away, sir.

[Patrick No See Walker]

But you know what?

[Josh Rodriguez]

There's a reason you're not getting in the phone line.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hey, I appreciate the accountability, though. We can open it back up to him now.

[Patrick No See Walker]

This is what we do. We're taking accountability. The fans. Yeah, fans are as well.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We're just trying to make you the smartest in the room. And if you ask a question, that's okay. There's no such thing as a dumb question.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But no more about CD running the ball.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You ask about it.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Now you see, Josh. Now you see why we said, hell, no.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, last caller of the day, Patrick, where are you? You from?

[Patrick No See Walker]

I am from Savannah, Georgia.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's also where Sebastian.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Hey. Are you kidding me? Let's go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What's up, Sebastian?

[Caller/Guest]

No, see what up, baby? Listen, I'm not. I'm not from here, but I love it here. Let's keep it straight. I'm from Michigan, so I can't. I moved down during the pandemic, and we brought y' all a couple of championships with us.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Listen, you've been down there half a decade. Your card is stamped.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah. Yeah, man, I love it here. My family's trying to take over. Like the Patels. You already know what it is.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I know what it is. What's that? A time you.

[Caller/Guest]

I'm actually right down the road from Tanger Outlet in the Highlands, man.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Come on with it, baby. Come on.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah, I love it.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I love it. Listen, home base.

[Caller/Guest]

I gotta get back. I gotta get rid of football. You done took me all off course now.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You did that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You did that.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I love it.

[Caller/Guest]

So, listen, I'm watching Zach Prescott. I'm like Dakota's hot dog. This defense has got to catch up. Check this out. We are two penalties away on both sides of the ball from being a much better team. That's what it boils down to. Our old culture keeps sneaking up on us with these penalties. The two defensive penalties giving them third downs, taking them the first downs, and the offensive penalty, taking away big yards and interceptions and touchdowns basically throughout game. I believe that if we can get this defense to a top 16 defense, just serviceable, that can do something with this team. This kid is playing out of his mind, insane. And let's get to the George Pickens thing, because I want to call Cap on that, that I don't think we should sign George Pickens. Although this is the best possible fit for him. I think we need to take that deep, that money that we have, and pour it into our defense. We need a guy like that fred from the 40 team over there in San Francisco who can read the offense and make plays. We got to put money in our defense. We also need a new safety, but, you know, I'm not gonna go there. You guys have a great day, and I'll hang up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Appreciate you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Excellent call.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Best call ever. Because it came in. Best call.

[Caller/Guest]

Clever.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We need somebody to call next week.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Caller/Guest]

Where.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Where are you from? Like. Like, specifically, you're talking to me. Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Where am I from?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Little.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. Like, that's what I thought. So I'll just call in next week.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay. Yeah, that'd be great.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It don't. It don't hit the same.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, it doesn't.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I. I'm.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I'm.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm from over.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'm literally from over there.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Right over the top. All right. What did you think about Sebastian there?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Excellent call.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I mean, he's not wrong about anything. I don't think we're wrong about anything. I think that all of the criticisms.

[Patrick No See Walker]

To do versus what you don't want to do.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Exactly. It's. All the criticisms are real. Granted, I'm ready to sign George Pickens today. Yesterday. Like, now. Let's do it. But understanding that that leaves you with less money to put forth on your defense, which you desperately need right now. I. He's totally right. I'm totally right. You know what I'm saying?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, it's exactly what.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You need help, regardless.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You just said in the last segment, you said, we don't have the dogs. You don't have the pieces. You need something influxed into your defense from a talent perspective in order to really fill in some of these holes.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What I'm feeling confident about now is that I don't think the front office now is saying, like, we're only going to start. Be building this through the draft. No, I think they're over that. Not over that mentality.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Of course you're seeing a shift.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You're seeing a shift, and it's. It's not going to happen until we actually see it. But the guys that they've brought, at least on the offensive side from this offseason, they did more in free agency to make their team better.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You traded for George Pickens.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Absolutely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You traded for Kenneth Murray, who was probably your best linebacker, if not arguably your best linebacker, or not arguably your best linebacker.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Javante Williams.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Javante Williams. You signed.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You turn around, you trade for Kenny Clark. I know it's part of the Micah trade, but Kenny Clark's your best defender right now. Most consistent defender. They've made moves enough to make it happen 100%.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So if the mentality is changing a bit and they're going to both use free agency and the draft to build a team, to me, the trajectory is on the right path. Now. If you sign George Pickens and you still have that money to contribute to another big free agent defensive player, I think big names like that are going to help you. Of course, proven names, guys that you know are dogs, and then supplement those with draft picks. It's a very simple, simplified process that a lot of teams have been doing. The Philadelphia Eagles are probably the best at doing that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You just need three or four names. It's not just one name. That's where there's a problem because you absolutely, of course, everybody wants to. Everybody's sitting on these multiple first round draft picks now. It's like, I don't really want to trade these 27 ones because that's going to be a really talented draft. I don't know.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But it's going to happen. Guys that are known, guys that are dudes.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I'll say this. First of all, I do agree with the point of if this Cowboys defense is 15th, 16th, ninth in the league, you're 3:1 right now because they're not the reason you lost in Philadelphia.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Okay, so you're three and one right now. I agree with that wholeheartedly. I will, I will disagree in that I don't want to play the the pie game when it comes to George Pickens because you have over $30 million available right now. You can roll it over. Okay, cool. There you go. You can sign George Pickens to an extension and you can use a combination of what you guys are saying, the additional picks you got from Green Bay and this new, dare I say new free agency approach, throwing some bodies at defense, some. Some key guys who can actually help do those three things together. And we're cooking. I don't think you have to piecemeal it. And I think if you think you have to piecemeal it, then you're working against yourself.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Great calls today. Appreciate you on talking Tuesday for Patrick no see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Chris Beam. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from talking Cowboys. We'll see you tomorrow. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Delta Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Rob Gronkowski from Dudes on Dudes. Applebee's just cooked up the ultimate option play with their new ultimate trio deal. You can choose from three of their delicious appetizers and pair them up up with three sauces for just 14.99. Craft your perfect trio from over 80,000 different combinations in this flavor packed plate. Built for one or to share? If you're generous, you can stick with the classic pairings like boneless wings and buffalo sauce. Or you can spice things up and try some unexpected pairings like dipping chicken wonton tacos in our honey Dijon mustard. It's time to head to your neighborhood Applebee's or order online today. Now that's eating good in the neighborhood.