Talkin’ Cowboys: Compete Every Day?

Summary

Talkin’ Cowboys: Compete Every Day?

Podcast: Talkin’ Cowboys
Air Date: October 7, 2025
Hosts: Kyle Yeomans, Isaiah Stanback, Patrick “No-see” Walker, Josh Rodriguez
Location: The Star, Frisco, TX

Episode Overview

This "Talkin’ Tuesday" episode of Talkin’ Cowboys dives deep into the Dallas Cowboys’ latest performances, emphasizing the team’s “compete every day” mindset. The crew discusses injury updates, depth chart conundrums, standout performances from backup players, and the impact of coaching adjustments. This episode also features spirited calls from fans, lively banter, and sharp analysis on the Cowboys’ evolving identity, defensive improvements, and roster flexibility as they approach an important stretch in the season.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Injury Updates and Team Health

Segment Start: 06:05

• The hosts provide a rundown of the Cowboys’ injury situation, focusing on positive news following their recent game.
  • Jalen Brooks exited the matchup without major concern; the main significant injury is Jack Sanborn’s concussion.
  • The Cowboys notably came out of MetLife Stadium without enduring any major lower-body injuries—a relief given the notorious turf.
  • Jerry Jones (on 1053 The Fan) offered no firm predictions but noted “fingers crossed” for Kevontae Turpin and a possible offensive lineman return (likely Tyler Guyton if he clears protocol).
  • No major update for Donovan Wilson, who looked “fine” post-game; awaiting the injury report due Wednesday.
• Quote:

  “You came out of that game relatively clean... you feel pretty good about getting some guys back in the fold.” — Kyle Yeomans (08:43)

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2. Backups vs. Starters—Should the Hot Hand Prevail?

Segment Start: 09:13

• Lively debate on whether strong backup performances should result in starters losing their spots, especially given the team’s depth at several positions.
  • The consensus: depth should be celebrated, but replacing an entrenched starter is situational, not automatic.
  • OL Example: Cooper Beebe has clearly beaten out Brock Hoffman, so no change needed. However, at left tackle, Nate Thomas has arguably outplayed Tyler Guyton—this is a more open discussion.
  • Linebacker Example: Jack Sanborn’s starter status is less justified; backups like Shamar James and Marist Liufau are making their case, especially since Sanborn didn't "win" his starting reps.
  • Wide Receiver Example: The panel weighs the merits of Ryan Flournoy’s emergence vs. Jalen Tolbert, suggesting QB trust and performance are both relevant factors.
• Quotes:

  “Don’t get out in front of your skis... don’t get overzealous and get greedy just because you’re skiing.” — Kyle Yeomans (11:57)
  “It’s dependent on the position and how well the position was playing up until those deputies were added... In this case, I wouldn’t use it for wide receiver one, but I would use it for linebackers.” — Patrick Walker (12:10)

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3. Positional Analysis: WR, OL, and LB Depth

Segment: 13:26–18:47

• Receivers are exchanged more fluidly than linemen; play calling influences who is on the field. Flournoy provides speed and explosiveness; Tolbert is strong in the red zone.

  • The hosts warn against becoming too predictable with situational substitutions.
  • Jonathan Mingo’s impending return from injury could further complicate the WR rotation, creating a "good problem."

• O-line shuffles are less common due to cohesion needs, making starter/backup debates more conservative.

• Linebacker remains the most fluid situation; merit and performance weigh heavily.

• Quotes:

  “You can't forget the fact that [Tolbert] led your team in touchdowns last year... He's earned that right.” — Isaiah Stanback (16:03)
  "[Flournoy and Tolbert] don’t share the same... traits. Two completely different skill sets." — Isaiah Stanback (18:09)

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4. The Impact of CD Lamb’s Injury

Segment: 19:14–20:52

• CD Lamb’s absence has presented valuable opportunities for other receivers to showcase their talents.
  • The hosts argue these reps are critical ahead of tougher matchups, and the WR depth now looks much stronger than it did a month ago.
• Quotes:

  “Is it not good for the receivers around him that they’re able to get those opportunities more than they would had we been force feeding CD the ball?” — Patrick Walker (19:53)
  “Now we’re seeing the fruit of that competition whenever you don’t have your wide receiver one in the fold. Still want him back, but now you get a better look at what’s around him...” — Kyle Yeomans (20:44)

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5. Fan Callers: Coaching, Dak’s Growth, and Defense

Segment: 25:31–39:15

Troy in Philly

• Praises coaching for keeping the team afloat despite injury adversity.
• Notes Dak Prescott is now playing with an elite level of understanding, likening him to late-career Tony Romo.
  • Jerry Jones agrees with this comparison, saying Dak is, “at another level.”
• Notable Quote:

  “Coaching matters, man. Coaching matters. I don’t know how many teams in this league... can lose four offensive linemen, one of them being the best, and still look the way they did on Sunday. To me, that’s all coaching.” — Troy (Caller) [26:00]

Mike in New York

• Praises the defense’s high-pressure game, especially the five sacks on the Jets.
• Wants to see more reps for James Houston, the emerging edge rusher.
• Hosts note Houston’s effort is unrivaled and his presence pressures other DEs like Dante Fowler and Donovan Ezraku to step up.
• Quote:

  “James Houston, as a pass rusher, is arguably the best pass rusher you have on the team right now. Most efficient as far as production versus reps awarded.” — Josh Rodriguez (36:07)

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6. Coaching Growth & the Need for Mentorship

Segment: 31:36–34:37

• Discussion about new staff adjustments and the suggestion that the Cowboys should leverage DFW’s rich network of alumni veterans for occasional in-person mentorship.
• Example: Young LT Tyler Guyton could benefit from contact with retired greats like Flozell Adams and Tyron Smith.
• Quote:

  “My plea is that... this leadership in terms of coaches are humble enough to reach out to the... veteran Cowboys players... and bring these guys in to occasionally mentor and work with the guys that you’re hoping to develop.” — Isaiah Stanback (33:10)

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7. Fan Callers: Alaska and Georgia—LB Depth and Coaching Philosophy

Segment: 42:38–50:40

John in Alaska

• Asks: When DeMarvion Overshown returns, who are the starting linebackers?
  • Panel agrees: Overshown, Marist Liufau, and Shamar James are the ideal trio, with Kenneth Murray providing depth.
  • Isaiah and Kyle debate the merits of different two-linebacker pairings, considering both tackling ability and athleticism.

Sebastian in Georgia

• Asks: Would you rather have an offensive-minded or defensive-minded head coach?

  • Majority: Prefer offensive-minded HC with a strong DC acting as “head coach of the defense,” aligning with modern NFL trends.
  • Isaiah emphasizes the importance of being a “culture creator” regardless of background.

• Quotes:

  “I prefer an offensive-minded head coach with a defensive coordinator who is head coach of the defense... until this modern day NFL has a seismic shift in the way that you win football games.” — Kyle Yeomans (49:45)
  “The head coach is the leader of men and a creator of cultures.” — Isaiah Stanback (50:22)

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8. Memorable Banter & Lighter Moments

• Opening features lively sports banter (NHL opening day, Kyle’s play-by-play experience, wrestling highlights)

• Standout exchange about battling names in foreign water polo matches—emphasizing the personal side of being a sports broadcaster.

• Hosts joke about internet trolls and steadfastly defend their film study credentials.

  “I was a second string guard for the little Lobos, idiot.” — Patrick “No-see” Walker (30:47)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Coaching matters, man. Coaching matters. Coaching matters. Coaching matters.” — Troy (Caller) [26:00]
• “Dak is playing his best football... you’re doing Dak a disservice in possibly the best looking year so far of his career if the defense isn’t even middle of the road.” — Patrick Walker (30:13)
• “You start seeing some young bulls start getting after it... I don’t want to be on the outside of the bubble. I want to be in the circle of trust.” — Isaiah Stanback (39:05)
• “The head coach is the leader of men and a creator of cultures.” — Isaiah Stanback (50:22)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Injury Updates & News: 06:05–09:13
• Backups vs. Starters Debate: 09:13–14:33
• Positional Depth Analysis (WR/LB/OL): 13:26–18:47
• CD Lamb Absence/WR Opportunity: 19:14–20:52
• Fan Calls Start (Coaching Impact, Dak Growth): 25:31
• Fan Call (Defensive Praise & James Houston): 34:37–39:15
• LB Depth/Starter Debate: 42:38–47:47
• HC Philosophy (Offense vs. Defense): 49:45–50:40

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Episode Tone and Takeaways

• Tone: Informal, energetic, insightful, occasionally irreverent. The team mixes analysis with camaraderie, humor, and audience participation.
• Key Takeaway:
  “Compete every day” isn’t just a catchphrase for the Cowboys right now—it’s reflected in real roster battles, the evolution of both coaching and players, and the franchise’s quest to maximize its window amid injury challenges and shifting depth chart hierarchies.

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For Cowboys die-hards or casual fans alike, this episode is a must-listen for understanding the intricacies of roster management, the value of coaching, and the depth that could define the rest of Dallas’ season.

Transcript

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[Kyle Yeomans]

The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Talking Cowboys streaming live from the Dallas Cowboys world headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Jake Ferguson keeps it and he bangs.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It in for the touchdown.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And now your hosts, Isaiah Stanbach, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans. It's a talking Tuesday edition of Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle coffee company live from the Star in Frisco, Texas in the SWBC studios. Welcome in, everybody. We've got the whole cast and crew ready for you to rock today with Patrick no see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Stambach, Chris Beam is in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans and Chris Beam. Well, he's gonna be busy today. You know why?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Why is that, Kyle?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Cause it's time to take your calls on a talking Tuesday. Tuesday.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

And I guess what had one cup of black.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Only one cup.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

You're watching us.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Such a vibe. It's just such a vibe when you could be calling it almost as vivy as Josh Rodriguez's gold chain around his neck.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Hey, hey, why wear it every day, Kyle? I know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It just doesn't pop like it did.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Usually I tuck it in because I don't even stole my chain. I don't want to snatch my chain.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Wait a minute. Yo, wait a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's some grave accusations, sir.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That is a grave accusation.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I tuck it in, cuz. Isaiah's here. What?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Stop it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Stop it.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Stop it. That's what you said, sir.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I just reiterated it out.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I didn't know you were instituting the to rule, bro.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I'm definitely no nip and tuck here, buddy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Tom Brady. Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, nip, no Tuck.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Was that a fun.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I was calling is what I was calling.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Understood?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Understood.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Hey, Kyle, you know what today is outside of talking Tuesday?

[Kyle Yeomans]

What's that?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It is opening day for the NHL.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I was about to ask why you were wearing Seattle crackhouse jersey, number one, inaugural season edition.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yes, that's right. You guys see it right there? Inaugural season.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You just moved your mic away.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I know.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's okay.

[Caller/Guest]

Here.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Hey, guys. Yeah. So rocking the crack. And listen up. I'm in D town. I live in D Town. But I still love my hometown. Let me show you guys with the back.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It actually does say Duck crack house. That's right, because it's the Seattle Kraken.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

He loves Seattle.

[Kyle Yeomans]

How.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

What do you think of that game against the. The Bucks?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Sorry, we're talking Cowboys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You don't want to talk about that one.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

We're talking cowboys.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yep. Cracking. Who did the Kraken have tonight?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Say the calling number.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

We don't play till. We don't play till Thursday.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Actually, I was about to say the.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Stars don't play till either.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, okay. The Ducks.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You don't. Your face doesn't seem.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The mighty Duck doesn't seem confident. Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Oh, there goes my sound. There we go. Now I'm good.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Stars open up on the road against the jets on Thursday. So we got a little bit of time.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Dallas against the jets right now.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Pretty good. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It has worked out this week. Yeah, did work out.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Good point the same. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Both teams got a star in their logo, too.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Tough acting tonight, but yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

NHL's back. Love hockey season. Basketball's right around the corner of the bag.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You're about to be busy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, yeah, dude. Mav's exhibition last night, they destroyed the reigning NBA champion Oklahoma City Thunder at Dickey's Arena.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

So are you implying that we're going to win the world Championship Championship?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that's it.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

All right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

This does not imply that. The mad Finals.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Real quick, run down the. The sports that you have done play by play for.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, what? It's easier to say what I haven't done. Really? It actually is.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's a flip.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I mean, I seen him do arm wrestling. I've seen him do basketball.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Basketball, baseball, football.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Those are the main. Volleyball, volleyball, soccer, soccer, both men's and women's. And pro pencil fighting. Have not done pencil fighting. I've done water polo, lacrosse, lacrosse. I've done hockey. I'm signed up for a Big 12. Or not Big 12, but a conference championship golf tournament. Oh, that'll be the first time I've called golf.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Are you gonna be Mr. Nance?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. All right. Hello, friends.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Fencing. I've seen you do fencing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I have not done fencing.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I've seen it.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Water pole.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

He seems like a big fencing guy.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I would.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I would love to see you in.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

The white on water polo.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Dude, I. I called the U.S. men's National Team against Spain and Serbia, and those were the toughest names I've ever had to pronounce because they didn't have a pronunciation guide. And the coaches didn't speak English. So I had to go over to the bench and literally have like, point at the name and have them say it in their native accent. And I had to just try my best.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Oh, I need that.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I would just go full. I would just mispronounce their names like Mickey Mouse versus.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Oh, you know.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

You know what I mean? I would just say the wrong name.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was. I was fun, though.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I would identify them by, like, personal features.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, they're in the water. Water polo.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Their face.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Their face. And they've got. They've all got the cap on.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Five o' clock shadow with the great move. Hands it off to Long Beard for.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

The school name of that game. Guess who.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that's exactly what it is. No, but I have fun. I enjoy it. Yeah, basketball season's a busy one.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Jack of all trades here.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

All right, the next Kevin Harlan over here.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I appreciate it. I wish. That'd be awesome. Kevin Harlan's got pipes, man.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Dude, that game, that specifically Seattle. Wow. Isaiah, that's a. Stroll it a little bit.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's a reach.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You're going to.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You're going to tear a cuff. All right, news and notes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Get after it. Patrick.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Not. Not much today because obviously the Cowboys are not back at practice until tomorrow on Wednesday. But a couple of interesting tidbits. Number one, I say it looks as if. And I'm still waiting to see if this is going to be the case. It looks as if Jalen Brooks came out fairly clean. He was. He looked okay in the locker room after the game. Looked okay walking around the locker room yesterday. So if Jalen Brooks is. Is pretty much good to go or dealing with anything minor, the biggest thing coming out of the game would be Jack Sanborn's concussion. And of course that's not turf related. So all things being considered, Cowboys came out with a convincing win. A lot of micro wins inside of that. And one of the biggest things is they escape. Escaped MetLife Stadium, it looks like, without any major lower body injuries. And we know how that turf can be quite unforgiving. So good news there. Keeping to the injury front. Listen to Jerry Jones, owner and general manager Jerry Jones on 1053 the Fan this morning. He was asked about potential returns this week of some of those key guys that were out. He did say that kind of echoed what Shotty said yesterday. They're going to go through practice and fill that out before they make any determinations. But Jerry did say that, quote unquote, fingers crossed for Kevonte Turpin and possibly one of the offensive lineman that could come back, end quote. I find it interesting that he did not throw 88 in that. In that prediction. So. Makes me wonder. Yeah. Which is fair. Makes me wonder if they're going to do what I hope they do, which is give CD Lamb one more week of rest against the Panthers team so that you can have him full goal against a commander's team the week after. We'll see what offensive lineman Jerry's referring to. My gut tells me it's probably Tyler Guyton if he can clear concussion protocol. But again, we'll see how the week goes.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Part of me feels that's managing expectations a bit because mentioning CD Lamb at all, I think would create an expectation for any fan. I'm curious, and maybe you said this at the very beginning and I may have missed it, but Donovan Wilson. Was there any update? Because I know Kyle teased it at the end of the game on Sunday. Donovan Wilson had to come out due to something.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

So was there any clarification?

[Josh Rodriguez]

No clarification, no update. I did see Donovan yesterday. Looks fine. I mean, take that for whatever it, you know, it might think it was.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Upper body, wasn't it? It wasn't lower body, so you're not going to see a lift.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So, again, looks fine. He's in his normal Donald spirits, which is. Yeah, that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay. So kind of very difficult to read in that capacity. But we will see as early as tomorrow when that injury report comes out, because they got to put it there.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

So 100. Cool. Thank you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Get.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Confidence playing Sunday, right?

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's playing Josh.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I did not say that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, we'll see. Like you said, injury report first comes out Wednesday, and so we'll get a better look at it tomorrow and see what happens. And I think the Turpin thing is good news. The. The fact that you. You came out of that game relatively clean, depending on what ends up popping up between now and tomorrow and what we just don't know about yet. Turpin, last week, things like that will happen, but you feel pretty good about getting some guys back in the fold.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You do. And you should feel good also, just in the fact that you've seen what the Cowboys can do when without these key guys, CD Lamb and Kevonte Turpin and four of your starting offensive linemen. And you were still able to go on the road in New York and do some good things. So as long as you can replicate that, you should. Should. Should be fine in Carolina. Should. Key question, because I still have Chicago on the brain, so so you should be fine. So that's good news. I will say something else stuck out and I'll put this to the panel. I know the, the fans are going on the family talking Cowboys. Family, family. We want to engage with this in the live chat. So the question was posed to me on X Twitter yesterday and I saw it posed to a couple of other analysts like our good friend John Oni and some of the other guys and Vox Lombardi, he got asked and Brian brought it. So I feel like. Let's put it out there and discuss this. When you see backups play as well as these backups are playing, you know where I'm going with this. The question becomes should, should you ride the hot hand, so to speak, should it be a situation where you look to replace one of the starters with one of the backups simply because they're playing well? I'll lead with my answer. No, my thing is you should celebrate depth and that you have it without trying to get out over your skis and use that depth excuse to replace guys who has proven and beat those guys out to be starters in the first place. That's my take.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think it's situational.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's fair because case sensitive.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If you're saying, oh, wow, George Pickens has been incredible the last two weeks, you're not going to put him as wide receiver one over CD Lamb. No, that's not happening. You know, that's just part of it even. And that might not even be a great example because George Pickens is capable of being a wide receiver one. But you're looking at, let's say, the linebacker position.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, okay. I was going to get offensive line.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Offensive line one specifically Brock Kaufman versus Cooper Bibi. Yeah, that's one of those. That was one that was posed yesterday to which I say, I love Brock Kaufman. We love Brock Kaufman. Yeah, absolutely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Cooper Bibi.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Cooper Bibi beat him up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I mean, you have an argument for Nate Thomas right now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That was another big one.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That was another example.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that would be the biggest, the big conversation because Nate Thomas. I don't, I don't think objectively Brock Hoffman has played better than Cooper Bibi at center. I think he's played well. He hasn't played better. You could argue Nate Thomas has played better than Tyler Guyton. That left.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Absolutely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's one where you could argue it, where you look at linebacker and Jack Sanborn out of the game early. You can replace Jack Sanborn because we've already seen the film and what he's put on.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

We're already trying to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You were already having that conversation. So it is situational, but I agree with you. Don't get out in front of your skis. I think that's the best way to put that. Don't get overzealous and get greedy just because you're skiing.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Exactly. Greedy is the key, but I think.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

It'S dependent on the position and how well the position was playing up until those deputies were added. Yes, it is situational. Like you said in. In this case, currently for me right now I wouldn't use it for wide receiver one, but I would use it for linebackers. Absolutely.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

The Shamar, James and Marisley are your starting linebackers. And to me there's no question.

[Kyle Yeomans]

With Kenneth Murray.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

With Kenneth Murray, but to me there's no question about it. I don't think no matter what the health wise going into the next game. I think you've kind of figured it out. I think based on one game and based on the other four that you had previously. To me it's the answer's right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I think the caveat to support your point and what Kyle is saying as far as making this case sensitive to the position is that we know for a fact that Cooper Beebe beat out Brock Hoffman. We witnessed the battle in training camp. Absolutely. Okay. But when you look at the linebacker position, we didn't see Jack Sanborn beat out any. We didn't see him beat out Marisley foul for the reps to start this season. So that's a perfect.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

They were given to.

[Josh Rodriguez]

They were given to him grandfathered in because of who the defensive coordinator is. So in that position. To you guys's point, I do agree it is case sensitive. You have to have already beaten out the guy for me to say, okay, he's still your starter.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yep.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And this guy's just a damn good backup. But when it comes to linebacker, it's like, yeah, you didn't really earn that spot here. So.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

And one more point and I kind of want you to touch on it too. Isaiah, is Ryan Flournoy over Jalen Tolbert like right now? I don't know. I mean I've granted, I've apologized to Jalen Tilbert and. And you saw him play really clutch in that fourth game. But now you see sort of the emergence of Ryan Flournoy in this last game over 100 yards receiving. To me, the more physical receiver of the two. We talked about it yesterday. We've championed Ryan Flannoy since camp.

[Kyle Yeomans]

At this point that might be a dak situation. That might be a dak question of who do you trust more? Who do you trust to throw the football through which if we're looking recency biased it would be Ryan Flannoy and what he did. But Jalen Tolbert did have seven touchdown. That's where I think that question might be asked. It's one of those. It's the age old question of should you be able to lose your spot due to injury and we've seen it in this organization before. Starting quarterback for this organization certainly benefited from that back in 2016. 16 losing your spot due to injury is a touchy subject but I think if you're playing well enough to outperform the previous person, you can't put it in that category.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I know it's mind.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, working. I need to hear the words behind those thoughts. Your face, your facial expression.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Yeah, it is Tuesday but we need some qbv.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No, I, I, I'm on board with what you guys are saying. If the first string guy is not performing then yeah, put in his, put in his backup. Yeah. I mean that's just even compete every day.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Even if it is via injury.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

If it's via. I mean no, you get it. The starter gets a chance to come back but if he's not performing well, he goes away. It's just been meaning so you don't.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Say they should bring them back if they were the starter before.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

If they were to starter before. I mean we didn't have any issues with the starters before.

[Kyle Yeomans]

In certain positions.

[Josh Rodriguez]

In certain positions.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I'm talking about the office of line.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh okay. Yeah. So yeah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Specifically your office of line. I had an issue with the linebacker position.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

That's been, I've stated that's recorded.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's documented with safety from some people with safety.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Safety, safeties. Yes. Malik and how they're being used. Malik Hucker. I don't know what he was looking at.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Well to be fair he was dealing with the toe and we didn't know he was dealing.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

That had nothing to do with his eyes. So, so yeah, yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So I mean eyes can see body to go.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah but he was in the wrong toe many times. Wrong hash has nothing to do with a big toe. I'm not giving him any grace on that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's fair.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

That's the cool. In terms of, in terms of Donovan Wilson however he was being played out of position. So I don't have any issues with Donno because he's not a free safety. He's a box safety and we saw what he does when he playing is in a, when he plays in a box. He was running and hitting. So I don't have a problem with Donno. The free safety position I prefer as of right now based upon what I've seen.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

That's just that. Okay. At the receiver position, I think it is circumstantial on the concepts. The receiver is different because receivers are getting subbed out every play.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

So you might, he might run a better in route or a better post route. So guess what, he's in on that. Right. Or he might be faster. So let's put him on a clear.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Out route or over route.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Like that's very like concept based. So receivers a little bit harder to say, hey, who's your number three right now. I think it's really situational from play to play. So I think those guys are kind of interchangeable in that regard. Flannoy obviously provides you more speed. He's quicker. He's going to, you're going to get more explosive plays out of him. But Tolbert has, he's, he's, he has a good catch radius. He's strong at the point of contact. So he has his advantages too. And you can't, you can't forget the fact that he led your team in touchdowns last year. Like, you can't just disregard that because it wasn't flashy. Like he, he's earned that right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You know what was flashy? The toe drag.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Got toe that heck of that catch. So I mean he's not a flashy dude. He doesn't talk a lot. He doesn't do anything that's necessarily over the top. Amazing outside of that catch that we saw a couple weeks ago. But, but you have to give him the respect to say, okay, yeah, he does make plays when you need him to make the plays.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

What concerns me about that is that if you're using them situationally, you're using them on specific routes, then defenses are not dumb. They're going to pick up on those things. Noah Brown, for the longest time whenever he was on this team, it's like, oh, okay, this is a run play.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah. I mean but like Tolbert Toble is really your red zone guy. He's not a big play guy. Tolbert scores his touchdowns in the red zone. That's where he scores. That's where he helps you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He's not a yak.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah, he's not a yak guy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's never had 100 yards receiving.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah. So I mean that's not his thing. Right. So if you're looking for him to do that, then that's on you for having unrealistic expectations. Flournoy, the first play of the game, you give it to him on a sweep.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah, that's what you try to do. You try to get him the ball in his hand because he's explosive. So that's what I'm saying. It's situational. You don't use those guys the same way. They don't. They don't share the same. What's the word I'm looking for?

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Traits.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, Their.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Their traits are different skill sets.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Apples and oranges.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

2 completely different skill sets.

[Caller/Guest]

Right.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

And that's the luxury of having different types of receivers. George Pickens doesn't run routes as good as. As good as cd, CD Lamb. But guess what? He. He goes and gets the ball.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, His.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

His ability to track the ball is absolutely insane. I would say CD I would say that CD probably has. They're probably on par with each other in terms of hands, but in terms of tracking the ball, I would say that. That George tracks the ball better than CD he just tracks the freaking ball. That's. That's what allows for him to make these catches. Right. So, like, who's better? I don't know. Like. Like, okay, obviously one's better, but he's better in areas that that guy is not.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Yeah. So, I mean, and just to throw a wrinkle into the mix, I mean, Jonathan Mingo is going to be healthy here pretty soon.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah. They started window last Wednesday. So tomorrow, seven days will have expired, which means they will only have 14 more days to make a decision on Jonathan Mango. It's. It's a great problem to have when you're sitting here trying to figure out how you can get Jonathan Mingle back into the mix. Because there's a bottle, there's a log jam. There's a bottleneck going on between competition.

[Caller/Guest]

Right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Turpin is about to come back. CD will be back shortly, of course. And then you look at, you know, Tolbert versus Floyd versus Mingo versus who?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You have six Receipt, right?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Six.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

One, two, three, four, five.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

But when you're full. When you're at full steam, you have six receivers that are available to you, and they will all find a way to play. Yep. That's. That's the thing about receiver. Like, everybody's going to touch the field.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's different than O line.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It's completely different. O line's not getting sub unless you're.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Okay having a problem. Hot take Hot take, guys. Oh, is it in. I don't want to say it's bad. I don't want to say it's good. CD Lamb is hurt. It's not good. You don't want that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Okay. But opportunity presents itself.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Opportunity presents itself. Is it not good for the receivers around him that they're able to get those opportunities more than they would had we been force feeding CD the ball for the last three weeks?

[Kyle Yeomans]

That was my thought whenever you guys were talking about the good problem that we're having with the wide receiver position. You wouldn't have thought about this three or four weeks ago.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

No.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You wouldn't have had that conversation. We'd say, wow, outside of layman Pickens.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

What are we going to do?

[Kyle Yeomans]

They don't have anybody wait. And it's like up all of us. Okay. With the exception Patrick. No see Walker and standing on the table for Ryan Flannoy. All right, I will. I will preface. Okay. But I will say there was a significant drop off in everybody's mind except for Patrick nosy Walker, that there was going to be lack of depth. But we've also seen in a training camp where we were excited about those guys, we were excited about the competition, and now we're seeing the fruit of that competition. Whenever you don't have your wide receiver one in the fold, still want him back, but now you get a better look at what's around him going into the second half of the schedule.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

And it's almost to a point where going into the Panthers, you're not absolutely like, oh my God, we need to. As soon as possible.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, it's.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

You're almost. It's fortunate that you're able to get more looks from these receivers that haven't had the opportunities up until now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Pickens big game against the Packers. Flannel's big game against the Jets. Who's going to step up this week? That's the. That those are the things that are going to help you out in the long run. All right, we got to take a break because we got to get to your calls. 888-855-2297. Give us a call, 888-855-2297. Talking Tuesday when we come back this.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Back to Talking Cowboys Back here on Talking Cowboys, presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company, the official coffee of the Dallas Cowboys. This segment is brought to you by Invisalign. The official smile of the Dallas Cowboys. Isaiah's all smiles today. WWE Monday Night Raw last night. How was that?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Good time, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Got your Got your family out There I saw some of the pictures.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah, my son had some tickets left for him by some dude I don't know. And that's freaking cool. It was freaking awesome.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

You have to meet anybody.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Did not. My son got a couple hand slaps, you know, that's good. We were on second row, so that did not suck for my, for my kiddos. They had a heck of a time. The AAC center was rocking.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Nice.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

There's WWE showed out. They had multiple tag team matches. It was good stuff, man.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That punk USO's promo with LA Knight too, that was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

That's on the mic of wrestling.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, this dude, that's awesome.

[Josh Rodriguez]

LA versus Punk.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Must be a good mic battle.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That was, that was, it was really good, bro.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

And like it was really cool to see like the improvisation of, of everything in real time. Yeah, like there was things that was happening that you tell was not pre, you know, preordering ordained. And like they were like trying not to laugh. It was pretty funny, like, but especially in that tag team match, they were.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like right up in front.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah, like slapped him in the chest to tag him. He was like, oh, really?

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Roman Reigns, I love it.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Roman was out there.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Defeated fours. Are you kidding me?

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know who we're calling in?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Oh, who's that?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Into the ring.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Who's that?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Troy in Philly. Hey, he's our first caller today.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Territory.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What's up, Troy?

[Caller/Guest]

My guys, what is going on?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

What did me do mine?

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, man, man, coaching matters, man. Coaching matters. It matters. It matters. It matters.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Where have you heard that before?

[Caller/Guest]

Like, I used to play, you know, I kind of found it out myself, but, but coaching definitely matters, man. I don't know how many teams in this league, you know, the best ones can lose four offensive linemen, one of them being the best one, and they can still look the way they did on Sunday. Man, I don't know. To me, that's all coaching. That's all coaching, you know, putting the guys, the best guys in the right place. Coaching matters, man. The other thing with coaching is, you know, I had to hit myself upside the head because I'm thinking, oops, concussion. This is a whole new, whole new coaching staff, you know, brand new coaches to some of them, even to the league, you know, it, it took, it's going to take some time and it's, it's probably taken these first few weeks for them to start getting their players on who these guys are and how to put them in the right place. I, I think that, that, that, that you Know, it's taking a little time, but I think these guys are starting to get it, man. I think the coaches and the players are starting to get what the coaches are trying to do. Coaching matters. Coaching matters. Last thing I'll say, man, is Dak is an absolute sage right now. I think this guy, he reminds me now of how Tony Romo was in the last, the last two or three years where he saw everything, he had all the answers to the test. And I think Dak is playing the exact same way. Appreciate it along with his coaching and you know, if they can, if the owner don't, don't find a way to mess the coaching, him and him and the coach up, I think that this is going to be special for a few years. Thanks, guys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thanks, Troy. Appreciate the call. Couple big things there just on the backside of it there with, with talking about Dak. They said it on the fan this morning when they asked him that, asked Jerry Jones that question. Is that a fair comparison between Dak and late career Tony Romo where he was seeing the game at a different level and Jerry said, yes, that's a fair comparison. I think it's a little bit higher. And I love Tony Romo when he was playing, but Dak right now is just at another level, in my opinion.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's hard for me to say that it's much different because I'm afraid of letting recency bias creep in. You mentioned recency bias and recency bias would certainly apply here considering we haven't seen Tony Romo take the field in almost a decade. Right. So it's easy line. Right. It's easy for us to, to not forget, but for time to kind of fade the picture a little bit, whereas the picture is still very vivid right now with Dak Prescott cooking the way he's cooking. So I'm, I'm going to agree with.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Was Tony ever in like a MVP caliber conversation?

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Yes, absolutely. 2014.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. Yeah, you're right. 2014, absolutely. That's where I would see the, the comparison.

[Josh Rodriguez]

100. So it's funny. Tony, Tony Dak. And this question is coming from Troy as. See, that's cosmic. Cosmically funny. But yeah, I agree. I think that when I put myself back in the mind space of 2014, Tony Romo, you could not fool him from an opposing defensive coordinator standpoint. You could not. He had seen it all. He had been through it all. He had done it all. He had been through poor offensive lines. He had been through a variety of turnover in wide receivers whatnot. And at that Certain point, he started to get the Bruce Leroy Gloria.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He started to be. Become the last Dragon. Okay. And I feel like that's where Dak is right now. So a great point that Jerry made was the Cowboys just need to make sure that the pieces around deck right now while he has that Bruce Leroy. Right. Step up. Because this is the window. This is the window. Because I don't want to look back in four or five years from now and. And experience with Dak what we experienced with Tony and being like, oh, it could have been Leroy. Kiss the Converse.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

It was very concerning to start the season off with the defense playing the way that it did. And granted you only had one decent game from the defense.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. They're one for five right now.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Exactly, exactly. But Philly, that's fine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's fine.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

And lost 2 for 5. Completely understandable.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Was it their fault?

[Patrick No-see Walker]

No.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You shut down the receivers.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Absolutely. But my thing is Dak is playing his best football of his, probably his entire career. If the defense weren't up to par like we've talked about before, if they're not even middle of the road, you're doing Dak a disservice in possibly the best looking year so far of his career. One thing I really want to. Granted, the call was great. Thank you very much, very much for the call. I want to address a comment here. The wrongest comment I've just ever seen in my life. The wrongest. Just absolutely wrong. New Age Pharaoh says this Mexican guy.

[Caller/Guest]

Wrong.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Oh, 1000% never played a snap of football in his life.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wrong.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I was a second string guard for the little Lobos idiot.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

And then he also said, he said Nate Thomas should start over Taylor. Tyler Guyton. I didn't say that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I said it was. I said it was a conversation.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

It was an argument.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But it's that. No. Would we.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

And then he says, would you start.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Tyler Guyton over Nate Thomas?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Tyler Guyton.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes. Over Nate Thomas.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Caller/Guest]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes. Right now. Yeah.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

And then he said, nobody. Do you not watch film? Also wrong.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Quite.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Watch.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Go away.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We all watch film.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Not gonna lie.

[Caller/Guest]

All right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That was the wrongest.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That is pretty funn.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That was.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Talk about 0 for 4.

[Caller/Guest]

I'm glad.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm glad you caught that. Good for you.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I had to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

First part. Just getting mine. Yeah. My ethnicity.

[Caller/Guest]

Wrong.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Isaiah Troy saying coaching matters. Coaching matters. How have you seen them grow with this team over the last few weeks?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah, they're figuring it out. I mean, to his point.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They're clicking.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah. I think they're figuring it out. I think offensively you've advanced substantially faster in terms of your coaching, your understanding of your players and their capabilities, much faster than the defense has. I mean, you're hoping that the defense can. Can catch up. No Hinds. So we'll. We'll see. Running game still has to be addressed. Obviously. Obviously your victory last week kind of covers up the. The mess or the blunder that the running defense, rushing defense was last week. You're hoping that your secondary woes have been resolved, help is on the way, but that doesn't change. Scheme. So scheme. Communication, responsibilities, understanding of where you're supposed to be in space. All that stuff has to take place. But these coaches now have. I think that Eber Flutes and his staff are figuring out at least a secondary, what these guys can do with the defensive line. I think you're. You're getting Fowler revved up. You're getting Donovan as a rock who's getting more reps. He still has a long way to go in terms of just technical side of football.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's got to be better with his hands.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

He has to be better with his hands. That's what I'm talking about, the technical side. He doesn't have enough in his repertoire yet, but he will get better with reps. You know, I'm hopeful that. And this is my plea, and I've. I've expressed this to a handful of people in the building. Don't know if this gets to the locker room at all. But my plea is that this organization, this team, this leadership in terms of coaches, are humble enough to reach out to the. The plethora of veteran Cowboys players that are in the area, in the DFW area and bring these guys in to occasionally mentor and work with the guys that you're hoping to develop. That is. That's like. That's my plea. I've expressed that friends. I'll throw it out there right now. Okay? Left tackle Tyler Guyden, he's. I told you, he's a spark plug right now. You see it and then you don't see it. Call Flozell Adams.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Well, he's been working with Tyron.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

That's cool. Work with Tyron and call flow.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's fair.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Like, why not the more the merry. Why not?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Why not both, right?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Why not? It's not linebackers. Linebackers. You have Brady James that lives here, comes around often, very active with the. With the organization. Sean defensive end.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sean's and Cali defensive end.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I say call him right. So I didn't Say fly him in, but also fly.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Do a zoom call man on your Lenovo laptop.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Donovan. Donovan as a rocku like call D where D where might cost you, right? So if he gonna cost you, call Anthony Spencer. Like, These guys live 15, 20 minutes, 30 minutes max away. Like, get these guys in the building to work with the guys that you need to see development out. That's not to say that the coaches don't know what they're talking about, but sometimes you just need extra. You just need somebody else. You need another voice. And it never hurts to surround these guys with players that were very successful at those position groups that you're hoping to see them develop at.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, Mike in New York. You're next here on talking Cowboys. What's going on, Mike?

[Caller/Guest]

What's going on, guys? I want to. I want to give the defense a lot of credit, too. It's probably one of our better games that I. I feel like Houston, I feel like he's got to be out there more. I mean, I know he's. He's. He. They brought a lot of pressure on Sunday. That was probably. Probably one of our best pressures on the quarterback. I know it's only the jets, but still, I feel like that was one of our better games. How many times did they sack Field? Like five or six times. They hit him a lot with was good. So, you know, I appreciate you, Mike.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thanks for the call. I love the energy, man.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Dude, such positivity, such energy. You love a family.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He said it's only the jets, but how many times did they sack Justin Fields? It happened five times, five sacks.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Pressures.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

They existed. They existed in a game.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, they did exist. But this does not imply the Cowboys will win the Super Bowl.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Of course not.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Holding up his sign again.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

It's one game at a time.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, it was a step in the right direction. We talked about it a little bit yesterday. We mentioned James Houston a little bit. Let's talk about him specifically because that's James Houston. That dude's ballin that James Houston. That's James Houston. What have you seen from him?

[Josh Rodriguez]

All great things. Has he been perfect? No, we're not going to sit here and pretend he's been perfect. There's been some plays where he's kind of got washed out, particularly in run defense. I would like to see him improve in run defense. But as a pass rusher, he's arguably the best pass rusher you have on the team right now.

[Caller/Guest]

Currently.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Right now, he's most certainly the most efficient as far as production versus reps. Awarded. So that definitely is without question. But I, as much as I want to see James Houston start, we've said that time and time again here on Talking Cowboys and I'm still on that hill with my fellow Talking Cowboys cohorts. I do at least see what Shoddy is referring to when he says points like he did yesterday. One of the reasons we might be seeing James Houston dominate the way he is is because they keep him rested, because they only give him 20 to 25 snaps a game. Begs the question, if he were given a full time load of reps, would he still be as fresh in the third and fourth quarter to be able to send him in on those third and longs and those critical third downs? Maybe, maybe not. So again, I'm still on the hill of I want to see more of James Houston, but I'm also of a high IQ mind in that just because I want to see this because my points substantiated doesn't mean I don't see what you're saying. So I see what he's saying.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I could stand maybe five, 10 more reps from James Houston. I mean, it's 36 snaps and you're looking at Donovan as Rock, who's getting 52 last week specifically. And we're talking about how much Donovan is struggling with his hand placement and.

[Kyle Yeomans]

How many times have we seen him pop off the screen. Donovan as a rocky and I loved him out of the draft, so I do expect it'll click at some point.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Right?

[Kyle Yeomans]

It just hasn't yet.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

But he's getting a bulk of the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Snaps and not give it to the guy who is currently clicking.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

But you're seeing hot hands developing. Ezraku is developing. He just needs more, more work. And you're seeing it. I'm seeing it. I'm seeing it in the film, which.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Probably is why he's getting so many snaps, is because they need him to progress sooner rather than later.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It's getting better. But I mean in terms of guys, listen, James Houston, his sacks are coming and his pressures more so than even the sacks are coming more than Michael.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Parsons, by the way.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah, he's coming because of effort. These are, these are effort plays. Like this is not, not to take away his skill set, but like he's not the most skilled with his hands. He's, he's not, he doesn't have a, a bag full of moves. He is impactful because of his effort. So I feel as if you can get that same level of effort out of the other defensive ends because you're getting it from your interior lineman, then you're going to see this entire wave of effectiveness from that position group.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

So it's, it's a decision. I do believe that his forthcoming is applying pressure to the other guys. I think that Donovan Ezraku, his development, as you, as I see it on the film, is applying pressure to other guys, which is why I think yesterday or not yesterday, Sunday was probably Dante Fowler's best game here this year.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It literally was a lot. It was a switch. It wasn't because he was. Oh, his production is bad because he's not doing A and B. It's effort. It's effort. So you allow people to get comfortable. They'll not. Not to say that guys check boxes and collect checks, but they'll do it. Yeah, right. But you start seeing some young bulls start getting after it. I don't want to be on the outside of the bubble. I want to be in the circle of trust. There it is, the circle of trust.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, we got to take our second break. When we come back, we're going to get to John in Alaska. We'll get to Sebastian and Savannah, Georgia. We're going to talk to those two. And then we'll wrap up a talking Tuesday with a live vote about scheduling on this Talking Cowboys podcast. I'll talk about it when we come back with more right after this.

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[Patrick No-see Walker]

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[Isaiah Stanbach]

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[Caller/Guest]

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[Isaiah Stanbach]

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[Caller/Guest]

Would you Dear doctor My friend supported.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Me during a tough time, but what's.

[Caller/Guest]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick No-see Walker]

I love Lenovo.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

We know that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm glad you said it.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

I love hearing from John in Alaska who wakes up early in the morning call Talking Cowboys. What's up John?

[Josh Rodriguez]

John, is the sun up there? Like what are those months that you guys don't have?

[Caller/Guest]

Son we're getting into them is our, I think our low our darkest day and. And it's dark still today this morning.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So I'm always so interested in that. That's so it is wild.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I just assume he's in 30 days of night always and there's vampire facing him at every hour.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Are you in a vampire Are you a vampire?

[Caller/Guest]

On the opposite side. In June we have daylight most of.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

The day so the sun don't go down.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that's pretty wild.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That would upset me and my power bill.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Then he said the movie Insomnia.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What's on your mind, John?

[Caller/Guest]

Well, first of all, it's a good thing it's early. It's a good thing I have a certain beverage to keep me awake.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What's that?

[Caller/Guest]

Oh, I don't know. Maybe. Maybe something to do with some black rat.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Love it.

[Caller/Guest]

So I. I gotta. I gotta hearken back. I gotta give a positive spin on that tie right quick. Fellow, we wish witnessed history. How many times in our lifetime are we going to see a gain that scores 80 points and it ends in a tie? Good. Better. Indifferent. That is something that probably none of us will ever witness again. So that's one thing. Secondly, to go back to the injury versus starter conversation, Marvin Overshone. When he comes back, who are your three starting linebackers? And more importantly, who do you think a Berkley. His good starting linebackers are because he hasn't seen Overshone practice or play yet.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I love it. John. Great question, Patrick. No, see, Walker has an answer for you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I have my Isaiah Stambeck hand in the air.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes, sir.

[Josh Rodriguez]

My answer is demarvion Overshone. Maris, Liafile and Shamar James over Kenneth Murray. My answer is demarvion overshone. Maris, Liafile and Shamar James.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

And that is the correct answer.

[Josh Rodriguez]

As you were. As you were.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, Josh, what do you think?

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I concur. Yeah. That's the best lineman backer group you have currently. Absolutely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm not taking Kenneth Murray.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah, I'm not taking him out either.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

My two has to be healthy.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, Right. My two line Becker said is Demo and Marist and then that's where. That's where I am.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's where I am.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No, but I don't know about that one.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I like argue your process. Yeah, I like it. Nope, that's the speed.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He's groaning and rubbing his face.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, that's. That's speed.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's speed. That's athleticism.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

So which one is acting as your mic?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Merscan Mike.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, man.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I'm joking.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Demoking Mike Merscan Green dot. But.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

So you want to limit him to the box?

[Josh Rodriguez]

I just said I'm joking.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No, it's on my demo.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Exactly.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You gotta pick and choose.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Sir, I do have to pick and choose.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yes, you do. Which one you put in the box?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Still going with those two you're out of your mind. I am crazy.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You have to have a trooper.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You got to say the phrase, I love you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I love you crazy.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You have to do Mike.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I would do Kenneth Murray demo.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

And.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That'S my. That's my two linebacker set. Marist, probably. Marist, yeah, probably. Just. I like what I've seen from Shemar James, but I think the rotation works better for Marist.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Man, I'm just envisioning. Just demon Marist in it. I'm, like, trying to.

[Caller/Guest]

4.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

4.

[Caller/Guest]

Where.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Where are you. What are you doing?

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're going sidelines.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't care how fast your quarterback is. I don't care how fast your running back is. I don't care about your slot guy. I don't care of that. With those two on the field, like, just good luck.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

443. So that's what I'm running. I'm running a 443. Yeah.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Explain to the people what that is.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Because four down linemen, four linemen. Four down linemen, four linebackers and three DBs.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

And who are your guys?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who's in coverage out of the linebackers?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Well, you're running, most likely. You're running cover three or cover. You know, you're going to run cover three, most likely. So I'm going to get up there, press on the corners with. With. With D.B. and Trayvon Diggs. So you were running single high. I'm running one to the back. Now, this is only if they're in 12 personnel or 22 personnel. Right. If they go 11, you have to change things up. One of your linebackers comes off. But your linebackers are Maris.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Demo on the outside. And you got Kenneth Murray and you have Shemar James inside.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So who's going to be covering tight end. Who's going to be covering zone?

[Patrick No-see Walker]

And let me just say the chat is disagreeing with you guys in Kenneth Murray. They don't want to see Kenneth.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Kenneth Murray is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You got to watch.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Kenneth Murray is a sure tackler.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, he's.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You don't. Sure tackler.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's your best middle line.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You don't ask him to cover. Yeah, but he tackles everything that comes in his.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Don't.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

He'll tackle a baby if it walks in.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Don't confuse Jack Sanborn's poor play for Kenneth Murray's poor play. That's not. They're not the same, bro.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Exactly.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Things are not the same.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

The baby would get it. It's the can man. Kenneth Murray is the can man. Anybody can get it. So Kenneth Murray the Kenneth Murray and Shamar James on the field together. That is a tackling duel like those guys. Nothing's getting by those two if it comes in their area because coverage and.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There were a lot of times you.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Don'T ask him to cover.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There were a couple times Maris Leofow was out of position too. Let's not get. He played well, played better.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

His speed allows for him to recover.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

His speed, athletic ability. Exactly why you need him on the field.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If he goes right place, right time and he recognizes and attacks better, he could be a dude. What was that?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I said we're not going to get to the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, we got to get to one more call. It was Sebastian and oh, we got to get. Yeah. What's up Sebastian from home bases.

[Caller/Guest]

Good morning. Good morning, guys. A beautiful victory Tuesday.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes, sir.

[Caller/Guest]

First off, let me, let me come back. I'm right all about accountability and I love it for this team. I want to come out apologize Cowboys nation. Listen, I'm not as plugged into these streets as I usually am when it comes to NFL football. So I went 2 and 6, 206 with the pickup last week. It was bad. It was down bad. I only got the Jaguars and the Cowboys, but what matters is I got the Cowboys and the Philadelphia Eagles took that L from the Denver Broncos. I'm in agreement with that, with that 443 front as well. As long as he allows them to press.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yep.

[Caller/Guest]

If you don't allow them to press and you allow that free release, they're going to eat us up like they have been this entire time. They got some serious players over there and our draft darling, because you know Mr. Yeoman should be on the draft show killing it. Our draft darling, Ted Roller McMillan is a grown man on that football field, is growing up and I'm explaining to people why I'm not as plugged into football. In the past couple of regimes and coaches, this team has not been this interesting. So I've been able to sit and watch other people play football this year I'm locked into the Cowboys and the Cowboys opponent and the upcoming game is a, a big time game that if we LOL in there and go in there to sleep, which I don't believe we will do, we can lose this game because they got some offensive weapons and that defensive front right up the middle is stout. So I have a question for you guys. When it comes to offense coordinator, after watching the last several games, I've watched a lot of football this Sunday too. Do you prefer an offensive minded head Coach with a good defensive coordinator or do you like the defensive minded head coach? In my opinion I prefer an office of minded head coach because I but I feel like you can find a defensive coordinator a little easier than you can find a great office of mine. And I'll hang up with you. You guys have a great day.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Appreciate the question. I prefer an offensive minded head coach with a defensive coordinator who is a head coach of the defense. And I will say that until this modern day NFL has a seismic shift in the way that you win football games go.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I 100% agree with you on that stance and for the reason that you said it, I want an offensive minded head coach and then you find a good defensive coordinator. This is a league that that is predicated right now upon being able to put up points. So I need a head coach that leans that way.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

And if you look at the history of the Dallas Cowboys, I think you're always going to want and prefer an offensive minded coach over over anything.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I don't care as long as I want games.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I want the head coach to be a culture creator. That's what I want. I want them to be good at their job, offense or defense and be able to establish a culture and an identity for your organization. Get whoever you need to for offense or defensive play caller that they have to be good. But ultimately the head coach is the leader of men and a creator of cultures.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And if you think that culture doesn't matter, listen to the guy who's won a Super bowl before. That's just my thought.

[Josh Rodriguez]

One last thing before we go. Oh no, that segment two fired off the engagement. Real crazy. I'm just gonna go ahead and say this. Unless his name is Roger Stallback. As much as I love Tony, I love Tony. As much as I love Dak and I love Dakota Deck. Unless the name is Roger Stallbach, stop comparing him to Troy Eggman.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, yeah, don't do that. Also Sergeant Stu or sergeant Su had our our comment of the day. He said are you a vampire, John? Shout out. No. See for always asking the difficult question.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I need to know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There you go. That's gonna do it for us here on talking Cowboys For Patrick. No see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. We'll see you tomorrow with more talking Cowboys. We'll continue our vote. We didn't get to it. We'll talk about it tomorrow. See you then. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys football club.

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