Talkin’ Cowboys: D-Line Chips Are All In

Summary

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Talkin' Cowboys: "D-Line Chips Are All In" (Nov. 13, 2025)

Episode Overview

Today’s Talkin’ Cowboys episode dives deep into the Dallas Cowboys’ revamped defensive line ahead of their matchup against the Las Vegas Raiders. The focus: breaking down personnel changes, emotional and tactical storylines following the tragic loss of Marshawn Nealon, and what fans can expect from the Cowboys’ defense as it faces new challenges and offensive threats. The conversation is both technical and heartfelt, balancing football strategy with the human side of the sport.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Studio Fun & Team Dynamics

• The episode kicks off with the crew ribbing each other about the studio's new clap-activated lights, leading to a lighthearted, energetic tone.
  • “Every time we do the Javante clap from here on out…pink and white and blue and hilarious party now.” — Kyle Yeomans (02:48)

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Cowboys News & Emotional Updates

Practice Squad Moves & Injuries

• The Cowboys lost OT Jarron Christian (poached by Broncos) and added OT Marcellus Johnson to the practice squad (03:41).
• Key defensive players DeMarvion Overshown and Savon Revel have been activated from IR.

The Marshawn Nealon Tragedy

• Today marks the first return to practice since Nealon's passing, heavily affecting the team emotionally.
• OC Brian Schottenheimer's leadership highlighted:
  • “We don’t move on, we move forward.” — Brian Schottenheimer (via Patrick Walker, 04:54)
• The importance of honoring Nealon:
  • “We will honor Marshawn with how we play, not just against the Raiders, but for the rest of the season.” — Schottenheimer (summarized at 06:10)
• Donation Info: Listeners encouraged to support the Marshawn Nealon Memorial Fund at marshawnnelandfund.org (11:22).

Routine and Player Readiness

• Importance of getting players back into rhythm and routine after byes and emotional setbacks.
  • “We are creatures of habit. A lot of guys struggle outside of football because that structure is gone.” — Isaiah Standback (08:11)
• New defensive additions like Quinnen Williams are “fresh baked” due to double bye weeks (08:58).

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Cowboys Defensive Preview vs. Raiders Offense

The Raiders Offense: Struggling Unit

• The Raiders’ offense is described as “playing like try [trash]” (19:25).
• Quarterback Geno Smith (former Seahawk) has underperformed, with "11 touchdowns and 12 interceptions on the year"—one of only two NFL QBs with more INTs than TDs (20:24).

12 Personnel Focus

• Raiders predominantly use 12 personnel (one RB, two TEs), due to strong investment in tight ends and lack of WR depth.
  • Michael Mayer as their primary blocking TE.
  • Brock Bowers as the key offensive weapon:
    • “He’s a mismatch versus base defense…Linebackers can’t guard him, period.” — Patrick Walker (22:13)
    • “Brock Bowers. Brock Bowers. Brock Bowers. Without him, this team you should be able to handle.” — Patrick Walker (28:54)

Offensive Line Analysis

• Raiders’ OL described as lacking movement, simply “lining up and blocking straight ahead”—easier for the Cowboys’ D-line to exploit (24:11, 25:04).
• Tight end Michael Mayer does most of the “movement” (traps, pulls).

Running Game: Stymied by the OL

• Rookie RB Ashton Gentry’s effectiveness severely limited by OL struggles:
  • “His ability is deleted by his own offensive line.” — Patrick Walker (41:41)
  • Stat: 29% of his runs end in no gain or a loss—“second highest among backs with at least 50 carries” (40:51).

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Defensive Line Strategy: "Dump Truck Package"

• Cowboys’ D-line should go "big"—favoring interior pass rush and size over a pure speed rush this week.
  • “You don’t need pass rushers. Go big against these guys.” — Walker (28:05)
  • Strategy: shift the line to Brock Bowers, jam him at every release, and force physicality to disrupt his routes (26:53, 27:43).
• Predicting more frequent five-man fronts (42:29).

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Secondary & LB Concerns

• Cowboys’ safety and corner depth is a worry while injuries persist.

• Newcomers like Logan Wilson and the return of DeMarvion Overshown highlight possible improvements in coverage and run-stopping (31:49).

  • “Logan Wilson plus DeMarvion Overshown can be a problem.” — Walker (31:49)

• The challenge of containing Brock Bowers remains central:

  • “He is an absolute…D O G—dog.” — Patrick Walker (32:43)
  • “He can take it and dish it out.” — Standback, about Bowers' physicality (33:01)

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Outlook & Predictions

• The Raiders’ lack of offensive points (31st in league, 139 total) matches up against the Cowboys’ struggling defense:
  • “As much as you should be afraid of those weapons, these guys don’t score a lot of points…” — Josh Rodriguez (29:32)
• Defense expected to show flashes of improvement, but full impact of roster changes will likely evolve over several weeks.
  • “25% of the time…you’ll say holy crap [that’s a different defense], but the other three quarters…it looks like the same.” — Standback (31:14)
• Walker predicts a bold moment: “Logan Wilson gets a pick.” (33:36)

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Memorable Quotes

• “We don’t move on, we move forward.” — Brian Schottenheimer (as cited by Walker, 04:54)
• “We will honor Marshawn with how we play…” — Schottenheimer, (06:10)
• “Linebackers can’t guard him, period…Brock Bowers is a dog.” — Patrick Walker (22:13, 21:33)
• “His ability is deleted by his own offensive line.” — Walker (41:41)
• “You can pass rush internally against this team. You don’t need pass rushers. Go big…” — Walker (28:05)
• “I want [Brock Bowers] by the second quarter, battered and bruised and not getting past five yards…” — Walker (27:43)

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Key Timestamps & Segments

• News & Emotional Updates: 03:12 – 13:35
• Cowboys Defensive Preview Begins: 17:17
• Raiders’ Offensive Analysis/12 Personnel Insight: 19:25 – 26:53
• D-Line Strategy (“Dump Truck Package”): 26:53 – 28:40
• Brock Bowers Focus: 28:41 – 33:01
• Stat Drop on Ashton Gentry (Lab Coat Segment): 39:25 – 42:56
• Depth Chart/Rotation Discussion: 45:34 – 47:15

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Conclusion

This episode provides deep insight into how the Cowboys are reshaping their defense to address both tactical and emotional challenges. The hosts dissect the Raiders’ offensive limitations, highlight key Dallas personnel changes, and preview the strategies they’ll need to employ—especially against rookie RB Ashton Genty and emerging superstar TE Brock Bowers. The episode also serves as a heartfelt reminder of the human side of sports, with the ongoing tribute to Marshawn Nealon’s legacy echoing throughout.

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For more, including the detailed Science Lab piece on mental health and Marshawn Nealon, visit DallasCowboys.com.

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Transcript

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[Kyle Yeomans]

The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys football Club. How about them Cowboys?

[Isaiah Standback]

Go Cowboys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

This is Talking Cowboys streaming live from the Dallas Cowboys world headquarters at the start. And now your hosts, Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans. It's a terrific Thursday edition of Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company live from the Star in Frisco, Texas in the S2 Studios. Welcome in, everybody. We've got the whole cast and crew ready for you to rock today. Patrick Noi Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back. And now we got a rave going on in here for a second. What was that?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Chris installed the clap.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I forgot was. It's actually a clap thing, bro.

[Isaiah Standback]

Oh, no way.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So now you can't clap during the show or else the lights will change.

[Isaiah Standback]

But what if we believe in Javante? Let's go. Let's go, bro.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

So we got the studio. That's the best. And Bieber's like, isaiah, can you clap for me? I don't feel like coming in there and changing the lights anymore. I installed some new clap. I'm like, no. Okay. So I'm thinking Bieber's just like joking around. He's a joker, bro. So I clap and it changes. I'm like, oh, that was great timing, bro. I forgot. I completely forgot.

[Isaiah Standback]

At the beginning of the show we're gonna take. I was.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I was wondering what was going on. All the lights were switching and I was like, I guess it's a rave.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't know if that's a great idea.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Now that we think about everybody when they're doing their other shows, I'm walking by, just clapping, bro. Crawl on the. Crawl on the ground over here to start clapping.

[Isaiah Standback]

We're gonna have some fun with it. Oh, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Every time we do the Javante clap from here on out, it's gonna be.

[Isaiah Standback]

Pink and white and blue and hilarious party now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, that was all the clapping you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Can handle on Talking Cowboys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, there you go.

[Isaiah Standback]

That's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hey, we have fun in Here. That is no doubt.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Just make it clap.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There's no doubt. All right, gentlemen.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

And we're off.

[Isaiah Standback]

Enough of the man buns.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Chill out, guys.

[Isaiah Standback]

Enough of the man bun. Cool off, I tell you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, we've got to get into some news and notes. Here for the Cowboys. Today is our Cowboys offense or, excuse me, defensive preview going up against the Las Vegas Raiders offense. We talked about the flip side of the matchup yesterday and Isaiah did a great job going through it on QB vision about what the Raiders bring on the defensive side. We'll also have lab coat. Yes, indeed, ready to rock. We're going to get a health healthy serving of science later in the show.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, science.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can't wait for that. And so Pat, we'll let you start it off here.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah. So we've got just a couple news and notes. I mean, for those that may not know, the offensive tackle Jaron Christian, he was actually poached from the practice squad by the Denver Broncos. So lose one, gain one. Yesterday the Cowboys signed offensive tackle Marcellus Johnson to the practice squad. Johnson's an undrafted free agent from 2024. So young guy, he's in year two. He spent both of his seasons to this point between the New York Giants and the Minnesota Vikings practice squad kind of oscillating between those two teams before more recently going with the Indianapolis Coats, which is where the Cowboys acquired him from or I should say after that stint. So that's the only transaction for yesterday, just a practice squad transaction. We already know the the huge news we Talked about yesterday. Agent 0 Demarvion over shown Savon Revel they were activated to the to the active roster from ir. So that's basically the what they have going on now. Today the Cowboys will return to practice for the first time since the Marshawn Nealon tragedy. So that's going to be critical to see how they move move forward. And I loved how Brian Schottenheimer worded.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That so eloquently put yesterday he said.

[Isaiah Standback]

We don't move on, we move forward. Perfectly stated. So that process has already begun but it really becomes a rubber meeting the road type thing today when they put their cleats in the grass. So that'll be today.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And he did say in the presser yesterday, so he said for some guys that's going to be the best thing. For other guys it's going to be emotional and I can understand that sense of it following a loss like that. And today is going to be extra emotional because it's also the first time that they're putting on pads, they're going to be standing next to his locker. They're going to be all together in the sense of they've already done that from a classroom standpoint this week, but from a practice standpoint, they haven't done it without Marshawn. And then it's going to end up being emotional on Monday, too, I'm sure.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

So.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But I loved what he said. I mean, overall, I mean, just watch that press conference. It was amazing how upfront he was with everything and obviously dealing with a lot. But the strength to stand up there and say exactly what he said yesterday was really just moving, honestly. But my favorite thing was when he said, we will honor Marshawn with how we play, not just against the Raiders, but for the rest of the season. I was talking about that on Monday when we've had our first show, is that I don't want the narrative to be, especially from, you know, fan base or people that are not inside the building to be like, oh, well, this better, you know, motivate them to play well going forward. Like, it's. It's so much bigger than that. But the way that he put it, the way that he stated it, I think is perfect for what they need and no better guy than Brian Schottenheimer to lead those men.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And it goes back to what Solomon Thomas even said to Tommy Yaris. You can read that piece on Dallas Cowboys.com from earlier in the week. He talked about how Schottenheimer addressed the team earlier this week whenever they finally did come back together. And he said he had an incredible slate of words to share the emotion and to kind of share what was happening within the building. From the outside looking in, I know I've seen a lot of love and support. I've also seen some. Some comments out there about, okay, it's time to get back to football. It's time to get back to football. I get it. I understand it. But this is still an organization that's going to hurt for a long time. They're going to hurt for forever, and they're going to always miss Marshawn Neyland. And I think you're going to see that throughout the season. I know we're in the middle of the bye week, coming off of the bye week, then you'll get back into a routine. And that was another thing Shotti said yesterday is it's. It's imperative that they get back into a routine, Isaiah, because I know that's part of what a season is from a. And Coaching standpoint, you've got to find a routine. You got to stick with it.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, it is. I mean, you get in a sequence, right. Where you're kind of just rolling. You understand what every day brings. Your mind kind of gets calibrated in terms of timing and your body gets adjusted to, hey, these, this is the day that I work. There's a day that you eat the physicality and when that gets thrown off due to a bye week, due to Monday night games, Thursday night games, it really messes with you. It's one of the main things outside of just recovery, why players, I should say before I could speak as a former player, don't like Thursday night games. It's because your body, it not only hasn't had enough time to recover. Right. But also mentally, it throws off your, your timer.

[Isaiah Standback]

Right.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

It's no different than going across season trying to play a game or going across season traveling with your family.

[Isaiah Standback]

Right.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Your, your mind is calibrated for one time and you have to, you know, hard reset it and be like, no, I need you to adjust it this time. And your body struggles to get on that, on that timeline. So it's a number of things, but yeah, no, that. He's definitely right. We are creatures of habit. A lot of guys struggle outside of football because they're. That that structure is gone. So they definitely need to get back in line with that. And that's the reason why you heard, you know, Quinn Williams, when he was doing his interviews with Dallas Cowboys.com he was talking about, I'm going to be here and I'm going to run myself through a workout on Sunday because I, my body is accustomed to working on Sundays. Yeah. You know, and I was like, I don't want to throw that time when.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He'S coming off a double bye weeks too. He had a bye week in Week 9 with the jets and then he gets traded to a team that has a week 10 buy.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You know what that means?

[Kyle Yeomans]

He hasn't plates since week eight.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You know what that means?

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's fresh.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Fresh baked.

[Isaiah Standback]

Told the jets double bot baked. He's ready to roll.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Roll it off.

[Isaiah Standback]

He ready to get after it.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Body ready to roll.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What is this far C?

[Isaiah Standback]

I don't know.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

He ready to roll. I don't know. Did anybody get him some barbecue yet?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Bbq. I'm sure Quinn got some.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Quinn, if you're listening, your boy will take you to get some barbecue. Right? You got to get.

[Isaiah Standback]

Specifically.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I'm not going to. We'll take him as a sponsor.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Take him as a crew.

[Isaiah Standback]

Good call.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Good call.

[Lab Coat]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Taking a black rifle coffee first and.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Then black rifle coffee.

[Isaiah Standback]

Just make sure Brisket is involved.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We got to make sure he's had Invisalign taken care of.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, we'll be good. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, he's had him a Lenovo computer.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Against this offensive line.

[Isaiah Standback]

Can't wait.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hey, we'll talk more about that here in a little bit.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

See that? You see that little Bart.

[Isaiah Standback]

Did see what you did.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Any other news and notes there, Pat?

[Isaiah Standback]

No, no, those are. That's the transaction. Just a couple practice squad swaps over the past couple days. We already know the. The headliners and they're back at practice today and yeah. So now it's just a matter of seeing who is going to practice that has a question mark around them. So we're talking about guys like Donovan Wilson. We'll see if you know the optimism surrounding Malik Hooker who as we speak is still currently on.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, they have to activate it.

[Isaiah Standback]

And his window of 21 days hasn't been activated yet.

[Lab Coat]

21.

[Isaiah Standback]

We'll see how that goes. We know unfortunately one year Thomas is down for at least four games, maybe more, as he deals with these migraines. So today will be critical for not only the emotional component of the Cowboys physically. We need to see coming off this by who whose body bounced back fairly well, you know, from being banged up. So we'll see how that goes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And remember, the 21 day practice window, you do not have to complete the 21 days in order to be put on the roster. A lot of times, yeah, you could. A lot of times teams will stretch that and they will push it all the way out. And that may that way they, they have the roster exemption and they don't have to necessarily make sure that they're on the active 53 man roster immediately, but they can activate him as soon as today if they really want it. They can bypass the whole window if they want.

[Isaiah Standback]

They could. If they feel like he's ready to go. That could be a thing. Who's that peeping in my window? Pow.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Nobody. Before we take our first break and then we begin our Cowboys defensive preview, I know yesterday Coach Schottenheimer brought up the Marshawn Nealon Memorial.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yes, he did.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Fund. Is there a way that our talking Cowboys listeners can donate to that and give to Catalina Marshawn's girlfriend and their their current.

[Isaiah Standback]

There absolutely is. And that link is marshawnnelandfund.org easy enough. So go to marshawndeelandfund.org if you would like to and are able to donate those funds go directly to Catalina, who recently discovered that she and Marshawn are pregnant. So the goal here and the contributions have already been pouring in from inside the building, from teammates and ownership and coaches and the like. But as a fan, if you want to and your heart moves you to give toward this particular cause, by all means, do it again. Marshawnnelandfund.org There you go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I want to give you guys an opportunity to help if you feel so inclined to. I know. I think me and my wife were talking about a possible donation on our end that we'll contribute to. And everybody out there, I encourage you to donate to the family that lost a loved one this week in the.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Time that you gave the URL to. Right now, a donation has been made.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Nice.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's what I'm saying. It's a very quick thing to do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's cool.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Takes nothing.

[Isaiah Standback]

And I want to say, if you have.

[Josh Rodriguez]

If you're able to, please do it.

[Isaiah Standback]

If you're able to. 100. I want to say something really quickly because I saw a couple of unfortunate comments that I chose not to reply to online. I just hit the reply and blocked them because this is not the time to piss me off now with your ignorance. I will say this. Yes, it is. 100 true. As I just said, donations are coming in from inside the building. These players, coaches, the executives. And yes, they are wealthy individuals. But that does not mean that you have the right to judge if a fan who's also grieving wants to make that donation. Yeah, if they want to make the donation. Understand, everyone grieves differently. And if this is a way that any particular fan, friend or whatever the case may be, if this helps them through their grieving process by giving to Catalina, you allow them to do so. And you shut the hell up. Thank you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well said. All right, when we come back here on Talking Cowboys, we had the Cowboys offensive preview versus. What was the.

[Isaiah Standback]

The word?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Trash. Sorry, you caught me in the middle of my donation.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, you are actually making a donation. I can see your credit card numbers right here. Can I.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You see the last word?

[Isaiah Standback]

Because I see the watch.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Show the cameras.

[Isaiah Standback]

Because I see the watch.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

A.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So the watch is nice.

[Isaiah Standback]

You can't have.

[Kyle Yeomans]

My watch is nice.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That's that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Good morning football money.

[Julian Edelman]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, what's that?

[Isaiah Standback]

Cvv.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You know what?

[Lab Coat]

No.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I'm going to make my donation. That's all I'm going to do.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You guys freaking carry on.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

What a break.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, when we come back here on Talking Cowboys. We're going to flip it to the Cowboys defense. A new look defense going up. The Raiders offense. I don't think you could use that same word against the Raiders offense, but there we go.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

One player on there is playing like try.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We'll talk about it right after this.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Lab Coat]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Patrick Nosi Walker]

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[Isaiah Standback]

My homework and the dishwasher's unloaded. Nice. Hey, can you.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Isaiah Standback]

How's it going? You see that Cowboys game?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Oh, I watched.

[Isaiah Standback]

Been seeing some good things. Totally. They have some talent.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yup. Some great talent.

[Isaiah Standback]

And they got some fight. Hoping this is the year. Me too. Oh, I'm Cody, by the way.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Isaiah Standback]

Nice to meet you, Travis. Go Cowboys.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Go Cowboys.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick Nosi Walker]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Isaiah Standback]

We come back, what do you do?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I guess we are back just in case. Hey made another donation. So we got the two for in.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Just a few minutes. Donations have been.

[Isaiah Standback]

That's right. It's very easy to do if you can. And if your heart moves you to do so, by all means do so. If your heart doesn't move you to do so, that's well and fine. But stop talking down to those whose heart is moving them to do so. It's really just that simple. It's kind of being a good human being. So, you know, excuse me. Let me make sure the Saddle is right on this high horse.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

All right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Gotta sit high up there.

[Isaiah Standback]

All right, let's ride.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's talk about the Cowboys. Defense versus new look defense versus the Raiders.

[Isaiah Standback]

Can't wait.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You said somebody's playing like trash on the Raiders side of things.

[Isaiah Standback]

You gotta say the right way though. They're playing like try.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who are you referencing?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I'm talking about their offense. Just in general. Kyle. I like pointing out individuals out there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Again. Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I don't like pointing out personal individuals. However, they have not had great play from the quarterback position. Oo AKA former quarterback for the Seattle Seahawks, which you guys know that I'm also a fan of because I love Seattle but I wreck the Dallas Cowboys nation. So I've had my eye on the Seattle for a while. Gino Smith carried over to Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll. If you guys ever wondered whether or not he is tied to his players, well, just look at their roster.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

He carried. He brought on everybody that he could from Seattle. Tyler Lockett's now there. Jamal Adams is now at linebacker. Yeah, exact linebacker as an outside linebacker. Sam linebacker to be exact. And then also he has Geno Smith, who's his quarterback, getting paid 40 plus of them things to throw 11 touchdowns and 12 interceptions on the year.

[Lab Coat]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yo.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

One of two quarterbacks in the NFL that has more interceptions than touchdowns. One is a rookie, first round pick, first overall pick in Cam Ward out of Tennessee.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Are you saying you don't like.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I don't care what he's doing over there as long as he continues it against the Cowboys this week. Their offense in terms of what do they do. Okay, this is a 12 personnel team. Those that don't know what 12 personnel is, that's one running back, two tight ends. Why do they like to run 12 personnel? Well, they don't have a ton of receivers and they have in invested a substantial amount into their tight ends.

[Josh Rodriguez]

They don't say.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, they just a little bit. They have two tight ends. They have a blocking tight end by the name of Michael Meer.

[Isaiah Standback]

I see what you did there.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You see what I did there?

[Isaiah Standback]

Fresh off of Halloween.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Fresh off of Halloween. And then they have another tight end that you guys may have heard of. Yeah, Brock.

[Isaiah Standback]

Brock Bowers.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Brock different than. Than Hoffman.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, he's a dude. He's a dude.

[Isaiah Standback]

He is not to say it.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

He's one of two dudes that they have on offense. One of two dudes that they have on offense. However, he's really the only dude that's shown up this year on a Consistent basis.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He's a dog, man.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

He's a freaking dog. Why do they run 12 personnel outside of their fact that they've made their investments there? If you run 12 personnel, typically this is how it goes, okay? A defensive coordinator watches the personnel grouping that comes in for the offense. The defensive coordinator then matches up his personnel according to the personnel of the offense. So if you bring two tight ends in the game, he says it's base, base, base, and your base defense then matches up. Typically most defenses is like a four, three. Okay. Dallas, we don't know what they might do. Matt Eberfluz has changed up his schemes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I would assume five down.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, he's gonna be down. So I would assume that he would go four, two, you know, four, two, four.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't know.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, 425. I think that's probably what he'll end up doing. Because you can't treat Brock Bowers as a typical tight end. Yeah, Brock Bowers is physical like a tight end. He's the size of a tight end. He runs routes like a freaking. Like a receiver. He's a mismatch versus base defense. It's the reason why they do it. Linebackers can't guard him, period. 98 of the Titans in his league can't guard him. Maybe 99.5, but that's what he does. Okay. These guys run a West coast style offense, meaning a lot of bunch sets, a lot of condensed sets, a lot of switch releases. They're going to force you to communicate in terms of who's coming into my zone. If you're playing zone defense, Right. A lot of switching at the line of scrimmage. So in and in, out, out, out. My, my mind, yours, whatever it might be. If you're playing man to man, they're going to try to cross you up. Right now they're trying to run these legal pick plays right where I am playing man to man. I'm following my guy. All right. Kyle's following his guy and you guys decide to switch now we're running into each other, right? Yeah, accidentally. So they run. That causes problems in man to man. They're always going to run somebody at a low, medium high. They, they got rid of their, their deep threat. He got traded away. Remind me of the name.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Sorry.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Jacoby Myers is gone. That was, that was a deep threat. He's gone. So they don't like.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wait a second.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, sorry.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Tyler Lockett's kind of their guy in that regard now.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, but I was like, that's not.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like that's in the office.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Tyler Lockett is a little bit older now, so he doesn't have as much juice as he once did. So their offense is struggling in that regard. Ashton Genty. Okay, let's talk about Ashton Genti. He is a dude. We all know that he's a dude. But in this particular system, how they run their offense, he's not a dude, he's just another guy in this offense. No disrespect to him or his capabilities, but the based upon the blocking scheme that they have for him, he's not getting the running rushing lanes that he's accustomed to having.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And you'd argue the offense is not necessarily fitting to his strengths. He's a north, south guy.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Not at all. And they're running, they're running their offensive line. The reason why I'm excited for our new defensive line is because this offensive line doesn't do a lot of movement. This offensive line, more so than any other team we face, is a lineup and we're just going to go straight a lineup. And whoever's over me, I'm blocking them in pass game. They're not doing. They're not pulling, they're not trapping, they're not doing any of those things. The people who are doing all the movement are their tight ends. Yeah. Michael Meyer, Michael Meyer is 87. He's going to line up in a wing set. He's the guy that tries to trap block. He's the guy that tries to pull around. He's the guy that tries to work around it up to the next level. So if you want to track anybody, you're not tracking the lineman, you're tracking the tight end. He's the one that's giving you the indication as to where the play might be going. The office of linemen are literally coming off the ball and whoever's over them, they're blocking them.

[Isaiah Standback]

Right.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

They do have combo blocks occasionally where two offensive linemen are working with one defensive player, but it's not great. Their pad levels bad. They're straight up and vertical. When you watch these games, defensive lines are literally pushing their guys into the backfield. Ashton Genti has nowhere to go now. That's no indication on his capabilities. That's an indication on how he is.

[Josh Rodriguez]

In this system and being utilized and.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

How he's being utilized. So don't mix this up. If he breaks out for a couple, he's still Ash and Genti. He's just not what he was in this system. Okay? So that's what it is. The Running game is slim to none because of their blocking scheme, their passing game. You should be able to push these guys into the back, into the freaking lap of Geno Smith. Their route tree is honestly not bad. I don't, I don't dislike their scheme. I just think that they're running too many deep routes and they're not, they don't have the time to push the ball down the field. You have to find a way to communicate for a lot of the crossing routes across the middle of the field. There's always somebody going across the formation which has caused Dallas defense some problems in the past. So we have to be able to communicate those crossers. You have to be able to find a way to disrupt Brock Bowers at the line of scrimmage. He is a, a specialist at the line of scrimmage in terms of getting clean releases. Go up there and slap him.

[Isaiah Standback]

Him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who are you, who are you tabbing with that? Who, who on this Cowboys.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

These are tabbing with not one person.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Brock and trying to knock him off. It's one guy per play.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I'm listen, one guys per play.

[Isaiah Standback]

I was going to say.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's what I'm saying.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He's there. He's their one weapon.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Double Brock. I'm putting, putting one of my defensive linemen, I'm shifting my line to Brock Bowers.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That's what I'm doing. That's fair. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a defensive coordinator. But if I'm playing Madden, I'm shifting my D line over to Brock Bowers. I'm going to put my, my defensive end, whether that's going to be Oso Digizua or whether it has Donovan Azaraku, whoever it might be Solomon Thomas. I would go big, I would go heavy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And for those that are thinking, oh, but two of those three guys are defensive tackles with a five man front.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

It could be anybody with a four man friend. Even four OSA and Solomon could be my DNS in this four man front.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Very much so.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Period, point blank in this week.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Especially with Clark and yeah, Quinn and Williams personally.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Quinn and Williams as my five technique or my three technique. I'm putting Kenny Clark as my one technique and I'm putting OSA and Solomon to be my disruptor. Whoever, whichever side Brock Bowers goes, if he wants to attach himself to the line of scrimmage, jam him up, come off and hit him in his chest cavity. And then I'm gonna have a linebacker sitting there waiting for her, jam him up even More at the next level. That's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm not letting it of a, of a NASCAR package.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I am not.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know, they have all edge rushers up front. It's the opposite of that. This is like. This is the dump truck package. That's what this is.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Absolutely.

[Isaiah Standback]

This is the twisted metal.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Listen, I want Brock Bowers by the. By the second quarter, battered and bruised and not getting past five yards. I want him stumbling and bumbling beyond a five yard point because he's just gotten hit by every which way direction. That's what I want. I want him doing Chris Tucker in Rush Hour 2.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Which one of y' all hit me?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That's what I need this week. So I know people are like, oh, there's not gonna be any pass rush. You can pass rush internally against this team. Yeah, you don't need pass rushers. Go big against these guys. That's my wish. I know people want to see Ezraku and they want to see, you know who else we got out?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Williams.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, we got a lot of pass rushes. Not this week.

[Isaiah Standback]

Jadevia.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Not this week. Jadevian could do it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's James Hughes.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

He does. Yeah. James Houston. I like Javion in this rotation as well, but big. Go big and be a disruptor to Brock Bowers. But you know what they're going to do then? They're going to. They're going to detach him and line them up on the outside.

[Isaiah Standback]

Correct.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Press.

[Isaiah Standback]

I was ready for that.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Come up and press. I don't care if he's in a bunch set, press. Put your hands on him and then when he gets to five yards, slap him again. Like. You can't allow him to have free releases.

[Isaiah Standback]

So. No, you're right.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You can't shadow him at the line of scrimmage. It doesn't matter how quick you are. Doesn't matter how fast you are. He will, he will run by you or he'll just big boy you in the middle, in the middle of the key and just. And just post up. So Brock Bowers. Brock Bowers. Brock Bowers. Without him, this, this team you should be able to handle.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Now quickly though, because Brock Bowers is such a weapon for them and you're talking about Ash and Genti. The one alarming stat. I mean, at least alarming for Vegas. When I was looking at it, they have scored a collective 139 points. Good enough for 31st in the league. There are 32 NFL teams.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yep.

[Isaiah Standback]

I like those words.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Doesn't seem great.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So as much as you should quarterback Play, obviously.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And as much as you should be afraid of those weapons, these guys don't score a lot of points in basically every offensive category the Dallas Cowboys haven't beat.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can I ask you a question, though?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yes, sir.

[Kyle Yeomans]

On the flip side of that, where do the Cowboys rank in terms of points allowed per game this year?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You're a jerk.

[Isaiah Standback]

I'm just asking. I mean, he's right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm just asking.

[Isaiah Standback]

And that's. That's exactly.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's fair.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's bad on bad. It's fair until further notice. It is bad on bad. And I see somebody that's like tongue in cheek in the comments or like Kyle probably thinks Gino's going to dice up this defense.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

To be fair, everybody has.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Everybody has diced up the defense to a certain extent this year. Except for maybe Jalen Hurts in week one and definitely not Justin Fields in week five. Those are really the only two.

[Isaiah Standback]

How's that Jacoby Brissett thing goes?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Exactly.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Jacoby Brissette played like he was a three time Pro Bowler.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Wait, that wasn't Kurt Warner out there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, it was not.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I told everybody that week do want a Kyler Murray instead of. Exactly.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And he played very well now. And then he gets destroyed by Seattle one week later. So that's.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That defense is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They're nasty. So I don't believe Geno should dice up the defense. But until further notice, and I know they've made the additions, there's still a lot of conversation to be had about how much of a change and how much of an impact are we going to see? You've heard a couple of things there from Isaiah Pat. I'm interested to see what you think. How many times in this game are we going to look down and say that's a different defense. Is it going to be half the snaps? Is it going to be 25% of the snaps? 100% of the snaps? Which is what the hope is for everybody, I think in this room is that they hope it's a completely different look. But in week one with these new additions, it's kind of unrealistic to think that it's going to be off the charts.

[Isaiah Standback]

Better. Between the new additions and the, you know, someone like demarvi on over shown who's coming back turning his first game, limited snaps probably snaps, I'd say 25% of the time. So 1/4 of the time you will look down at the defense and you'll say holy crap. But then the other three quarters you're looking at them and you're probably saying it looks like. Yeah, it's like you let me. Let me break it down this way. 50% of the time, you'll probably see as these guys acclimate.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Right.

[Isaiah Standback]

You'll probably see the same defense you saw over the first nine games. 25 of the time, you'll see flashes where it's just like, okay, almost.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Almost.

[Isaiah Standback]

I saw where you were going with that. That almost worked. I saw what I saw the play call. I like the play call. Execution wasn't there. Tweak it a little bit. And then 25 of the time, you'll be like, there it is. That's. That's. That's why you went and got Quinn and Williams. That's why you went and got Logan Wilson. That's why we believe that Logan Wilson plus the Marvi on Overshawn can be a problem. Yeah, but that 50%. For me, the concern is I need to see. And we'll see it with Quinn and Williams. We'll see how it goes. I need to see a consistent pass rush that gets home. Because if you do not, if you do not especially panic Geno Smith, I'm telling you, it doesn't matter if you press Brock Bowers. It doesn't matter if you slap him in the helmet. After you finish pressing Brock Bowers, he will get open. Yes. He is one of the more physical tight ends in the league. He has some of the best hands in the league. He's one of the best route running tight ends in the league. He is an absolute.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Say it with me, dog D a double.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So go dogs. You said it or I said it. You can't.

[Isaiah Standback]

There you go.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I'm proud of myself. I'm a fight dog.

[Isaiah Standback]

I've been fighting. But all jokes aside, all bias aside, Brock Bowers is a problem. He is the problem. So one of the best ways is like Isaiah said, you're gonna have to beat him up. But just know he's not soft.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He can take that.

[Isaiah Standback]

He can take it and he can dish it out. Okay, so while you're trying to get physical with him, the goal is to disrupt his timing so that the pass rush hopefully can push the pocket and get to Geno Smith. But if they can't get the Geno Smith, Brock is going to get his. And if Brock starts. Starts getting his against a secondary that's trying to figure themselves out and a safety unit that's in dire straits as far as depth is concerned, it's going to be a longer day than you think it is.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's why I think their offensive line is in for a long time.

[Isaiah Standback]

They better be.

[Josh Rodriguez]

They're in for a long day.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I hope so.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Well, prediction. Logan Wilson gets a pick.

[Isaiah Standback]

Wow.

[Kyle Yeomans]

In coverage.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Logan.

[Isaiah Standback]

That's bold. But I like it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, he'll get nice.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's bold.

[Kyle Yeomans]

When's the time a linebacker interceptions but.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Like for, for Dallas Cowboys linebacker to have an interception?

[Lab Coat]

Like, that's.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's a bold.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Pretty bold.

[Isaiah Standback]

I just answered the question, but it's been how long?

[Josh Rodriguez]

How long has that been, man?

[Kyle Yeomans]

So that's against the passing game. We've talked a lot about Geno Smith, Brock Bowers and company. They do have a rookie running back who we talked a lot about in the off season. His name is Ashton Genty. He played his high school football just across the hallway here at Ford center as a part of Lone Star. Not in this segment, but we're going to bring him. We're going to bring him in the second segment. When we come back, more talking Cowboys right after this.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick Nosi Walker]

No.

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[Isaiah Standback]

Before you ask, I've done my homework and the dishwasher's unloaded. Nice.

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[Isaiah Standback]

Hey hon.

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[Patrick Nosi Walker]

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[Isaiah Standback]

Get the read in first.

[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Patrick Nosi Walker]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

Thanks for being here.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, we appreciate you, Kyle.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Thank you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thank you for being here.

[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Thanks, man.

[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, here we go. I'm going to read off this stat line from Ashton Genty. This year, 143 carries are giving him the rock. Yeah, 143. He's got 547 yards. Anybody would like to take a crack at the yards per average? Yards per carry average there?

[Isaiah Standback]

Three and a half.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It is 3.8. So real close. Okay, very nice. 3.8. He does have a long of 64 this year. It was a touchdown, four touchdowns for Ashton Denty. As we do get into talking about him real quickly before we get to science lab. Or is he a part of science lab?

[Isaiah Standback]

He is. Oh, good segue.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's pass it over to Mr. Patrick Nosi Walker.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Well, let's do it.

[Julian Edelman]

Okay.

[Lab Coat]

Beamer.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Julian Edelman]

Science.

[Isaiah Standback]

All right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So this is lab coat, by the way.

[Isaiah Standback]

This is lab coat. Absolutely. So I will say this. This week's lab code is a little bit unique in that it's not going to be tied to the topic of science lab when science lab drops on the dot com later today. So make sure you check that out. That'll be a separate thing. It's more of a memorialization of Marshawn and speaking to mental health. And I'll drop a couple other things in there as well. Very cool. But for the football aspect of it, Lab coat, I wanted to see just how much Ashton Genti is. Is struggling, you know, so you, you go back and you look at the film. Because we watch film.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

We do.

[Isaiah Standback]

So everything that Isaiah is saying about ashton G. Is 100 correct. It is not the capability. It is not something where. Oh, well, he was doing all of this and, and see, look, this is why the Cowboy. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Ashton Genti is still very dangerous, but the reason he's struggling is because his offensive line is just so bad.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, no, no.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You gotta go make a calm shot.

[Isaiah Standback]

How bad are they? Well, we know that they're one of the worst in the league, but statistically, this is per next gen stats this season, Ashton Genti has been stuffed for a loss or no gain on almost 29% of his rushes. Almost 29. So just round up a little bit. Almost one third.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Of his rush attempts. He's been stuffed for no gain or loss.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And you're not just running behind the line of scrimmage and falling down, dive.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Dodge, duck and dodge.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I watched that movie earlier this week.

[Isaiah Standback]

So that means that someone who doesn't have the capability of Ashton Gentee would actually be much worse than this. Like, as bad as that is. Now you're asking. Okay, will you hear me say, well, nearly one third? Well, how bad is that? No, see, it's the second highest mark among running backs who have at least 50 carrots. The second highest mark in the entire league.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm curious as to who would be higher.

[Isaiah Standback]

That's a good question.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm gonna have to find that.

[Isaiah Standback]

I'll tell you who it ain't. I believe in Javante. Yeah, there it is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So they can't see it on there, but the lights just change.

[Isaiah Standback]

So I, I bring up this Ashton Genti point because I, I, I knew that one of the primary conversations today would be Brock Bowers, as it should be. He is the weapon. Um, but the offensive line is so poor with the Raiders that I don't want to say you can overlook Ashton Genty, but I think that problem resolves itself because his ability is deleted by his own offensive line. So anyone who's coming into this game and they're wondering if the Cowboy, Ashton Genti will suddenly have a career day against the Cowboys, anything's possible. But I would say even before the acquisition of Quinn and Williams, this is what Ashton Genti was going to struggle with, is getting past the line of scrimmage. Now you add Quinn and Williams alongside Kenny Clark.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

How many weeks has he been off?

[Isaiah Standback]

He had double buy fresh meat. It's done, get you some. And then of course the Cowboys are going to start running more five man fronts. So again, the run defense versus this offensive line for the Raiders is like Josh said, I think the offensive line for the Raiders are in for a long day. Which means Ashton Genty is in for a long day. Which just circles us back to Brock Bowers. Brock Bowers. Brock Bowers.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know, it's kind of funny when you think about it, like how much Ashton Genti was tied with Dallas just because of his upbringing in Frisco and the way that he played at Frisco Lone Star High School down the road and then throughout the entire draft process. Dallas needs a running back. They're looking to get a running back. They have an early first round pick, but he just ends up skyrocketing up these draft boards. But he talked about it multiple times. I'd love to be a Cowboy. I'd love to play there. I'd love to be there in this, that and the other. And you know, when he doesn't get picked by them, he ends up going to the Vegas Raiders. At six overall, he's probably like, okay, sweet. Like, I've got the six overall spot. I'm one of the highest paid running backs in the league by automatic automatically draft spot. And he's cool with that. He's probably looking on the schedule like, man, when can I get back at the Cowboys a little bit here? And as he's doing so, he's like, man, they have the worst rush defense in football. Playing very well.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Coming out party.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, it's just like, man, I feel like finally I'm going to get an opportunity to show what I've got. And then the Cowboys trade for Quinn and Williams and it's like, oh, and.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Now he's in a query.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Never mind. Like, and then, and then, and then like, I can only imagine the thought process process in that building. Like, don't worry, we've got Dallas in week 11. Don't worry, we got Dallas.

[Isaiah Standback]

One thing to the other show was like, and then, and then, and then, and then. So Ashton Jensen's gonna look at his guys, be like, dude, where's my block? But, yeah, where's my block? Where's my, where's your block? Dude, where's my block?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Where's your block?

[Isaiah Standback]

Dude, where's my block?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

But yeah, see it all coming.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And, and that was so shibby.

[Isaiah Standback]

It was so, I mean, yes, Floyd, you know, I, I know you don't like me right now, but I love you anyway. Floyd makes a great, great point. It's like what we're saying and what in and described in lab coat is that the Cowboys defensive line, pre Quinny Williams, I believe, still could have done some work against this Vegas offensive line and keeping Ashton Genty bottled up. Add Quinn Williams and you can bet your bottom dollar Ashton Genty is going to be met shortly after he takes the handoff. Now to that I will say if Pete Carroll schemes it differently, then you'll probably see them trying to get Ashton Genti out in space more often than they have. So be prepared for that possible adaptation. In which case, when that happens, boy, when that happens. And it will.

[Julian Edelman]

You.

[Isaiah Standback]

You really do wish that you had some linebackers that could. Oh, well, I'll be damned.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You do.

[Isaiah Standback]

You got Logan Wilson, you got demarv on overshone. So sorry, Ashton, it's Just. It's probably going to be a bad day for you, sir.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's going to be a delayed premiere for Ashton Gente. I don't know. I feel like. And this is something Isaiah alluded to earlier, I think OSA Diggyz was in for a big game because this is the first time he's really had help since Micah Parsons being traded away. And him flashing with Micah. Now you have him in a situation where the defense or the offense is going to be focused in on Quinn Williams. They're going to be focused in on Kenny Clark.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, this is going to clean up. I think it's gonna be.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I'm really interested on how they're going to do this defensive line rotation.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, it's interesting. So the, the depth chart came out yesterday and I don't know how they kind of play into, like how that reflects.

[Isaiah Standback]

Stuck out to you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

There was a few things that stuck out to me. Sam Williams is listed as third team behind Donovan Ezraku and Jadavian Clowney.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That doesn't stick out to me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, right.

[Isaiah Standback]

That tracks.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He was not third team before this. I mean, I will say that you also have Kaylin Carson as third team.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Behind Duron Bland and Terquezi Bridges. Interesting.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Bridges.

[Isaiah Standback]

Bridges.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Bridges.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And then your starting safeties are Donovan Wilson and Marquis Bell. You know, to our depth chart.

[Isaiah Standback]

I don't know if it'll happen.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Two strong safeties.

[Isaiah Standback]

I don't know if it'll happen. Yeah, you're right. Dire Straits. I don't know if it'll happen. This Monday we talk about the. The 50, 50 chance of sone Revel being inactive, maybe being active. I don't know. Probably not. But once he is, I'm curious to see how quickly he can ascend the. The depth chart. Keeping in mind that Trayvon Diggs is going to miss, you know, a few more games.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So one of the things they do in the depth chart is they'll sometimes list two players in that first. First team position. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They'll say blank or blank.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Correct. And currently already after Savona Revel's been activated or. Yeah, activated to the roster. Kair Elam or Savone Revel.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow, he's got a shot there.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So he's already up. I don't know. Something to think about.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I hope we see some of him today in the practice session. Let's open to the media, get to just see him run around a little bit, see what he's able to do on special teams, because I'm sure as a Rookie. Oh, he'll probably throw him out there.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Start and stop.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, it's gonna be exactly. Start, stop, change of direction.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I just don't know if they're gonna put him in special teams.

[Isaiah Standback]

You think maybe as a means of protecting him, they'll keep him off of.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Special teams, which is fair, but he's a rookie, and I feel like at some point there's going to be that conversation.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I completely understand it. I just don't know if they're going to expose him to that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The thing going back to Oso, Iggy Zoo or. Before we wrap up here, I know one of the things that I've really knocked him on, and Isaiah's broken this down on film a couple times. He really likes to jump around blocks this year for some reason.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Jump around.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's just. And Kenny Clark's doing his job. He's eating up multiple gaps. He's in the middle of the offensive line. He's taken multiple blockers away. And then you have OSA that's just kind of freelancing off to the side, and he's getting pushed off his spot and he's out of his gap, and that's what allows for a gap or a big running gap to form. I think with both Williams and Clark, he'll be better at that.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But I also don't want him to continue to freelance. I want him to continue to take steps in the right direction of gap integrity to allow the linebackers to do their job.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'd argue because of the. The attention that Quinn Williams and Kenny Clark will be paid, I think he's not going to have to freelance as much. He will be able to be on his guy and call it a day.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I hope that's the case. We'll see more Formosa Iggy Zoo coming up with those.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I hope it opens up for him. I really do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It didn't. It didn't change. All right.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Oh, it did change.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That does it for us here on Talking Cowboys today. Tomorrow, it's going to be a say it with your chest for Ryday. We'll have a get your popcorn ready segment.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, no, I'm out tomorrow.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're not here tomorrow.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'm out tomorrow.

[Isaiah Standback]

What the hell, man?

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'm sorry.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Where are you going? Do that again.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

If you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'll be in Vegas. I'm going to be at the game.

[Isaiah Standback]

Game's Monday.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Well, I'm taking it a little for the game.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You know what I mean?

[Isaiah Standback]

I'll pause, try to. I'm like, wait, I don't even leave until Sunday.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Good.

[Isaiah Standback]

Good for you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Good for you. I'm happy. Enjoy. All right, that does it for us. For Patrick no Walker Trader Josh Rodriguez. For Isaiah St.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I don't like those words.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm Kyle Yman saying so long from Talking Cowboys. We'll see you next time. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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[Isaiah Standback]

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