Talkin’ Cowboys: Damage Done?

Summary

Talkin’ Cowboys: Damage Done?

Podcast: Talkin' Cowboys
Date: November 11, 2025
Hosts: Kyle Yeomans, Patrick "No See" Walker, Josh Rodriguez
Location: The Star, Frisco, TX

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Episode Overview

This episode of Talkin’ Cowboys focuses on the aftermath of the Dallas Cowboys’ first half of the season and looks forward to key changes and challenges the team faces coming out of the bye week. With the playoff path looking treacherous, hosts break down personnel updates, schedule implications, coaching performance, and address fan questions live on air. The tone is candid and introspective, with a mix of light-hearted banter and serious analysis, reflecting on the damage done during the rough early season stretch while holding out hope for improvement.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Team Schedule and Bye Week Routines

• Odd Schedule: Cowboys’ post-bye is strange due to the Monday night game, with the practice week starting later (02:18).
• Practice Timeline: Players resume practice Thursday, allowing for more rest and unique preparation.

2. Emotion & Legacy: Marshon’s Passing

• The team is still grieving the loss of Marshon, indicating the emotional weight persists but the organization is taking measures to honor his memory:
  • Helmet stickers for the rest of the season
  • Commemorative T-shirts for players (03:00)

3. Injury & Roster Updates

• Demarvion Overshone: On track for return against the Raiders—“pour concrete on that” (03:59, Patrick Walker).
• Savion Revel: Still uncertain if he’ll be active Monday night; “No setback has been reported, but there’s also no guarantee that he’s active...” (04:39, Patrick Walker).
• Malik Hooker: Possible return, though still on IR. Stephen Jones optimistic, but hosts are cautious as he’s yet to resume practice (08:42-11:09).
• Kaylin Carson: Encouraging development, hosts want to see him gain experience, not rush Revel (07:10).
• Multiple defensive additions (Quinnen Williams, Logan Wilson) poised to change the look of the defense (12:54).

4. Defensive Revamp & Playoff Math

• The defense could have up to five new significant faces post-bye, fundamentally altering the group’s capability.
• Hosts note this doesn’t guarantee elite status—they stress only serviceability is required to maximize playoff hopes (12:54, 13:48).
• Playoff Scenario: Cowboys’ playoff path is a gauntlet; need double-digit wins to have a realistic chance (15:09).
• Mathematical outlook is bleak due to tiebreakers and NFC standings. Losses to teams like the Cardinals and Bears damage their wildcard prospects (16:51, 18:33).

"You have three wins against teams that are not very good"
— Josh Rodriguez (17:50)

"Your playoffs start right now... that's a long time to be mentally in that space."
— Patrick Walker (50:16)

5. Upcoming Schedule & Difficulties

• The schedule is described as “Lord of the Rings to Mordor”–level hard (14:29, Kyle Yeomans).
• Short weeks, physical matchups (Eagles, Chiefs, Lions in succession), and little time to recover exacerbate the challenge (24:24-25:37).

"Monday, Sunday, Thursday, Thursday, before you get the extra couple days to prepare..."
— Patrick Walker (25:25)

6. Coaching Questions & Offensive Struggles

• Fan questions spark a debate about offensive play-calling (Brian Schottenheimer):
  • He’s criticized for not maximizing the offense in recent games; hosts contend it’s both a coaching and execution issue (33:40).
  • Play-calling is impacted by O-line inconsistency and lack of trust in protection and run game (34:46).
• Offensive line coach Connor Riley receives measured praise for doing a good job amid adversity, though improvement is still expected once the line is healthy (48:27).

7. Engagement, Banter & Listener Questions

• Multiple live calls from fans on topics like O-line performance, playoff odds, and coaching.
• Hosts also engage in friendly banter and recurring in-jokes (e.g., “handsome Squidward” aesthetics, fashion choices at the desk).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the playoff challenge:

  "So much damage has been done over the first half of the season that it requires damn near perfection over the remainder of the season."
  — Patrick Walker (49:55)

• On the new-look defense:

  "That's half of your starting lineup, that's completely upended. Not that everybody's going to be a starter there, but they all could be."
  — Kyle Yeomans (13:48)

• Fan analogy for schedule:

  "The more it's almost like we're in Lord of the Rings. We're trying to get to mount...to Mordor."
  — Kyle Yeomans (14:29)

• On Brian Schottenheimer’s play-calling:

  "Maybe he's down to his pitching wedge as far as I'm concerned.”
  — Caller John, summarized by hosts (32:51)

• On the need for perfection:

  "Your playoffs start right now...That's a long time to be mentally in that space. Every single game is a must win."
  — Patrick Walker (50:13-50:16)

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Important Time-stamped Segments

| Time | Topic/Segment | |:---------:|:----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:18 | Discussion of the Cowboys’ unusual bye-week schedule | | 03:00 | Emotional impact and team plans to honor Marshon | | 03:59 | Demarvion Overshone’s imminent return; status of other injured players (Walker “pour concrete on that”) | | 08:42 | Discussion about potential for Malik Hooker’s return | | 12:54 | Impact of new/returning defensive faces post-bye | | 13:48 | Defensive upgrades won’t automatically create a top-tier unit—just need to be “serviceable” | | 14:29 | Roadmap analogy: “like we’re in Lord of the Rings to Mordor” | | 15:09 | Playoff race – need “double digit wins” | | 18:33 | Statistical odds: 11% chance for Cowboys playoffs after Cardinals/Bears loss | | 24:24 | Upcoming schedule and “side quest” (short weeks/Thanksgiving) | | 33:40 | Caller John questions Schottenheimer’s play-calling | | 34:46 | Hosts’ breakdown: play-calling vs. execution/blame sharing for offense struggles | | 48:27 | Caller Nebby: Is it crazy to praise Connor Riley as OL coach? Hosts respond | | 50:13 | “Your playoffs start right now...” full explanation of why remaining stretch is essentially sudden death |

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Takeaways for Listeners

• The Cowboys’ playoff prospects are grim after early losses to beatable teams and with a nightmarish schedule ahead.
• Defensive help is arriving, but perfect (or near-perfect) football is essential from here onward.
• Coaching staff is under scrutiny, especially Brian Schottenheimer’s offense, but improvement is possible if the O-line stabilizes.
• Fan engagement and call-ins reveal the candid concerns and hopes of the fanbase, mirroring the rollercoaster of expectations.
• The team and organization are still working through mourning and honoring Marshon.

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Episode Tone & Style

While the mood is colored by both the weight of a recent loss in the Cowboys family and the mounting on-field challenges, the hosts maintain their trademark candor, humor, and resilience. The conversation blends realism (“It might just be a little too much spilled milk to mop up”—Patrick, 20:10) with fandom’s enduring hope, making it a worthwhile recap for any Cowboys follower who missed the show.

Transcript

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[Caller/Guest]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Caller/Guest]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Now your hosts, Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans. It's a talking Tuesday edition of Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle coffee company live from the Star in Frisco, Texas in the SWBC studios. Welcome in, everybody. We've got Patrick no see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Paul Bastidas running everything in the back. What's up, Paul? I'm Kyle Yomitz. Glad you're with us. We've got a talking Tuesday on our mind today. Give us a call here in the next segment. 888-855-2297.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's 229-72297.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

T O K. CBYS.

[Kyle Yeomans]

CBYS. That's the. That's the last four.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's the only show.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I was gonna say the podcast. That's so good. They, they named the number after us.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I love, I would love to like continue to take credit for that, but that, that number was there a long time before this group Talking Cowboys was there.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I'm just saying with honesty, it was there.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You know, this whole podcasting thing we three collectively started.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We made this happen. Yeah. Forget about the old talk. No, I'm just kidding. Those old talking Cowboys guys are the best.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Derek's on his way.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, he's on his way down.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He's coming downstairs.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wait a second. All right. It is a talking Tuesday, of course. Cowboys getting ready for their bye week or getting ready for their post bye week. Week of practice. Kind of a odd schedule with it being a Monday night game coming off of a bi week. So today Tuesday is technically Monday.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Correct.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So there'd be some light stuff today. Then we're getting into tomorrow, which would normally be a Tuesday, which is a players off day.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Correct.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And then you would go into. It's. It's just.

[Patrick No See Walker]

They'll be back at practice on Thursday.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There you go. So you got a little bit. Until the Cowboys even get back on the practice field in a crazy week of practice. Pat, as you. They continue to look forward to the Raiders.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah. So right now it's, it's. I hate the phrasing, turning the page because that's not what they're looking to do. It's about moving forward with. With Marshawn's legacy. So as it stands, looks like they have some things to honor him in the works. A helmet sticker. They're expected to wear a helmet sticker for the remainder of the season. They're going to told they're going to have some T shirts that the players wear, you know, in warmups and during the game under their uniforms and things like that. So right now it's about the challenge of the grieving process, but also understanding that there is a game coming up on Monday and you know, hopefully go, you know, go win it for Marshawn. But. And we'll see who is available for that game. Listening to Steven Jones on 105. 3 the Fan yesterday, I left that interview with a question mark over my head for Sivone Revel. So with the Marvin overshown, sounds like, you know, poor concrete on that. Sounds like he's definitely going to be back. He's right on schedule. I like those words.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I like those work.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And Stephen Jones kind of, you know, tripled down on that yesterday with 105. 3 the fan. And I thought that he was initially lumping Savone Revel into that and. But then he kind of peeled off his. His answer for Sivone Revel. And he said he didn't lump. He didn't lump. He didn't lump. He peeled. He peeled. And he made it appear that while there has been no setback with Sone Revel, there's also no guarantee that he's active on the game day roster for Monday Night Football.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Cause you have to activate him onto the roster because of the 21 day practice window that had already been opened.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Correct.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The last day for them to do that would be when is it? This Wednesday.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Next Wednesday.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Next Wednesday. So they could on there one more day. One more week, right?

[Patrick No See Walker]

They could. They could. They definitely could. Um, but I mean, they could also, you know, because depending on how the league mandates they handle Marshawn's spot, like you mentioned, it might be a roster exemption. If there's a roster exemption, then I can see the Cowboys saying, hey, you know, it's. It's not going to. We're not going to have to release anyone. If we go ahead and just activate Sivone revel to the 53 man roster right now. But, but again, even if they do that, it sounds like there's no guarantee that he's going be on the game day roster come Monday night.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

So just something to watch again. No setback has been reported. I've heard of no setback. He's still on track to, you know, to make his debut after the buy. It just sounds as if, based on Steven's conversation with the fan yesterday, that while Overshone is still concrete to take the field against the Raiders. It might be another week maybe before we see the debut of Savone Rebel.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And I think as excited as I am to see Savone Rebel out there and to get him back into the fold for a position group that severely needs help outside. I'm okay with taking your time here. I'm okay with making sure your third round pick that has first round upside, that has all the tangible things that you can see on a practice field come to fruition first without a training camp, without an entire full season of college football to play with. He only played three games last year and he's been through this rehab process for over a calendar year now. Take your time. Don't rush it back. Don't, don't mess anything up. Because I think the more that you rush him back into the fold, we see things like what we've seen with Kaylan Carson where he's put in some tough situations and he's put in a position group, a position group that really needs people just for bodies outside Savona Revel. You gotta develop him the right way and you gotta put him in the right spot to be successful. And I think rushing him back out there, if he's not entirely 100% without certainty. You talked about concrete. Concrete. Ready? Take a minute on Savone Rebel and let that thing develop.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'd argue that you still want to see what Kaylin Carson's capable of. I think he had a really decent game. Granted, it wasn't an excellent game against the Arizona Cardinals as a whole, but he had good snaps. I mean, just wanting to see more out of him and not necessarily having to rush Savone Rebel back right away. I think it's, it's a good thing to have Kaylin Carson out there sort of on an island with a spotlight on him, just to see how he does going forward.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's kind of been forgotten about a little bit in this group. Well, he's only had one game because he's only been back for a little bit and he's been in and out of the lineup even since he started playing as a rookie. It. I think if you can continue to develop him now.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Alongside Revel, that's two guys that you can possibly have that take a big step forward. Not to say that Kaylin Carson ceiling is the same as Savone Rebels, because I certainly don't believe that to be the case. However, Kaylin Carson does have a ceiling that he has not reached yet.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, for sure. And I think you're hopefully with less spotlight on him now sort of in this defense because the kind of the. The blame is being tossed around all over the place. It's not just Seatbelt Carson that we hate nowadays.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Right. That nickname came back to bite him, huh?

[Josh Rodriguez]

It really did. It really did. And you know, for a good reason. When you had that expectation, you know, when everyone's going into the. The season and of course that draft was like, oh, Seatbelt Carson, it's going.

[Kyle Yeomans]

To, you know, he was great in training camp.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You could see him just with it the whole time.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But now we know, you know, look at the Kyrie limbs of the world.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I mean, training camp doesn't necessarily show how you're going to perform through the.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Rest of the season. Difference being Kaitlyn Carson, he's year two. I mean, he's.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, no, absolutely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Give him a little.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah. He's got time to kind of bounce back and make that. That seat belt name stick.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And that's why I liked his performance in the Cardinals game and hopefully seeing him going forward now that he's healthy 100%, I really want to see what he's able to do. And if you're not bringing back someone revel right away. I want to see the spotlight sort of on Kaylen Carson and kind of.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Keeping to the secondary for the news and notes. Stephen Jones also told 1053 the Fan he threw a name out there that I wasn't anticipating. He threw out there. As far as likely. I'll say likely based on his tone, being ready for the Raiders, which was Malik Hooker. Oh, yeah. So I wasn't. I wasn't expecting that he threw Malik Cooker's name out there. As far as he's still on IR.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And they haven't activated his window.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah. Right. So I personally, I don't. I don't see that happening. But again, he clearly knows something that we don't know that made him feel so confident that he, he said Malik Hooker's name in the same breath as, you know, demarvion overshone and guys that are coming back from injury and how, you know those. Most of those guys are on the defensive side of the ball. So it'll be interesting because this safety unit most certainly needs help. And we know that Malik Hooker was not playing his best football even before the toe injury and most certainly not as he tried to battle through the toe injury. So you can only hope that when Malik Hooker gets back on the field, you the Malik that we saw in training camp, because that was peak Malik that we were seeing in training camp. Peak Malik.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Even the first game of the year, he played so well against the Eagles that I think it showed that he could continue that into game.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's what you need when you get Malik Hooker back, especially for a safety unit that's just been so ravaged by injury and just not been able to figure things out even before they were ravaged by injury. You know, a part of that goes to the coaching on the defensive side of the ball. You know, guys not being utilized in ways that we believe they should be. Hi, Donno. Um, so in. In that capacity, you get Malik Hooker back. I don't know that it happens this week. It sounds like Stephen Jones is. Is kind of bearish on it, which, you know, we'll see. He's, you know, I'm bullish on it because again, like you said, Kyle, he's not returned the practice yet. Last time we saw Malik Hooker, he was still off to the side with the rehab group. Yeah. Doing work with Brit Brown in those. In those trainers.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So we've only seen him for a short time. Sort of peak of Malik.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I will say this. It is. Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Peak.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Why'd you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Why'd you cover one?

[Patrick No See Walker]

So I could. I don't ever want to take my eye off this guy. Like, you can't. This guy too fast. He's handsome. Squidward.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He is good looking. Dude.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I will say this though. They are coming off of a bye week. So, you know, we weren't able during the bye week to. We weren't able during the bye week to see Malik Hooker do any rehab. So I mean, but. But of course the rehab continued during the bye week. So maybe he made some serious strides.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, just taking some big.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, maybe took some serious strides in this. This two weeks off that, you know, kind of pushes him towards why Stephen Jones kind of feels confident there's a good chance that he comes back. So, I mean, so there you go with the news and notes. There's at least a chance, a solid chance that Malik Hooker comes back this week. There's a as certain as certainty can be that barring anything happening this week, demarvion Overshone will return and we'll, we'll keep an eye on Savone Revel. He does have a solid chance, but it's just not as certain as we were led to believe before the bye week.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, it's funny, I was talking with Nick Eatman yesterday upstairs and we were kind of brainstorming ideas for the High Five article that I write late in the week and we were talking about guys coming back and it was like, okay, let's start on the offensive side. Offense is pretty healthy. You feel pretty good about the offense as a whole. And I mentioned that yesterday with the offensive line, you're right. Now you're complete on the offensive line.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Then you look, I haven't had a lot of reps together, but you want to see them improve in that aspect.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And have more chemistry going forward 1,000%. And I think you'll start seeing that with an extra week of rest or extra week of health. And then you turn around and you play a team like the Raiders on Monday Night Football to try and prove that you're moving in the right direction.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And then just the Eagles right after.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And then, yeah, then you get into the gauntlet, which we'll talk about here in a second. But we, as we were brainstorming, we kind of both realized they're going to be five new faces. There's a good shot. There are five new faces on the defensive side. Of course, the trade acquisitions of Logan Wilson and Quinn and Williams, which, I mean, Quinn and Williams is an absolute game changer. That's going to continue. That's going to 1,000% up in the entire look of the defense. Just with his presence.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Correct.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Then you add some, some depth at linebacker. With Logan Wilson, you get possibly one of the safeties back, either Donno or Malik Hooker. It sounds like Hooker's moving in the right direction there. You get Savone Revel back and then hopefully you get. Or, excuse me, you will get demarvi and Overshone back. Hopefully you get Savone Revel back. So five guys, Williams, Wilson, Revel, Overshone, Hooker, and then maybe Donno, if you end up getting him back or wherever he ends up being too. I mean, this is a different look defense, that's half of your starting lineup, that's completely upended. Not that everybody's going to be a starter there, but they all could be. They Very well. Could be. Most of them could be. And so with all that being said. Question mark. I think not to say that this defense is going to be world beaters now, but what have we said this entire season is. You got to just be serviceable.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, no. We were talking about the. Earlier this season, week two, I think it was talking about Green Bay being world beaters. And they mustered up seven points.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Seven. Zero for most of the game.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That was an ugly game.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That was.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I loved it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You liked it?

[Josh Rodriguez]

I loved it. Yeah. It was premium hate. Watch.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Football, especially if you're a Cowboys fan, pretty brutal.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Watch.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It was. It was brutal. But I mean, I love the defensive aspect of it, man. Back and forth.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And then the way it ended with the kick just flying.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah. But it was fun to watch, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Just see them both flailing around.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hate. Hate stuff with both of those teams.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I wish they could have ended in a tie, too.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like, ended up 77 or something like that down the stretch would have been great. Speaking of the schedule that's at hand, it's. Speaking of what the Cowboys have in front of them, I have it on the rundown today that we kind of take a roadmap through what it would take for Dallas to make the playoffs. And the more that I look at this roadmap, the more it's almost like we're in Lord of the Rings. We're trying to get to mount. Yeah. To Mordor. We're trying to make it there.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Who's Smeagol?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, exactly. Like. I don't know. Paul.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Paul, Are you Smeaggle.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is it Paul? I don't know. Beam's not here.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'll be airborne.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There you go. Oh, again the.

[Patrick No See Walker]

But.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, it's. It's rough. And you need. How many wins playoffs. You probably need to be double digits, right?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Double digits in a tie.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah. So 10, six and one, but I don't see eight. Eight and one getting.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I don't think so either.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I don't see it. I don't see it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So I don't know how you get to that point based on the schedule. Sorry, I didn't.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, no, no. I just. I want to see where the conference is at, but you go ahead, Patrick.

[Patrick No See Walker]

No, I mean, I'm pulling that up as well on my screen. And when you look at. So the Eagles move to 7 and 2.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yep.

[Patrick No See Walker]

The Seahawks are absolutely cooking as well. They're at 7 and 2. Then you got Detroit at 6 and 3. We know they can just blow the Doors off of any opponent on any given game day. Tampa, now we're talking division winners. Okay, so Tampa, I think they take their division. Rams 7 and 2 there. I think they take their division. Can't believe I'm saying this, but, I mean, Chicago versus Green Bay, that's kind of where you kind of. That's your sweet spot. One of those guys you're going to have to overtake. Unfortunately, you lost to one and you tied to the other. So Chicago has the tiebreaker on you for the wild card spot. You would love to be. If it's between those two teams, you would love it to be you versus Green Bay as far as tiebreakers are concerned, because it's a tie. Like, you have a tie that needs to mathematically be figured out. So then it goes to, like, strength of schedule, strength of opponent, things like that. Oh, you need either the Bears or the packers to just start falling backwards. Yeah, you need one of those two to start falling backwards. I think the 4.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The Rams are 49ers.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I think the 49ers are. And I think they're starting to fall backwards.

[Commercial Voice]

You need.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You need one team out of the NFC north and one team out of the NFC west to just start falling off.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

One more injury for the Niners. They're going to need the water.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's what I mean. I think. I think they're starting the process of falling back because they got a call.

[Kyle Yeomans]

From them this week.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That would make sense. I would like. I would love to see that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Isaiah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

49Ers uniform.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Absolutely. He's still got it, man.

[Patrick No See Walker]

He won't do it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He won't.

[Patrick No See Walker]

No. Between Cowboys in Seattle. You think he's going to, like.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He just.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I don't know. Richard Sherman did put on.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He literally just had back surgery.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But I'm like, he's strong, isn't he?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Free money sign and then go to ir. So, yeah, your sweet spot is hoping that Chicago, Green Bay, San Francisco start moving backward and that Carolina doesn't suddenly try to get hot because they had a little bit of a streak. They did before they started to kind of cool here recently. So, yeah. That those are going to be the four teams that you're really looking at. Chicago, Green Bay, San Francisco, and I'll say Carolina, I don't know. Have confidence in Minnesota. I think they're any given weak kind of team. I don't think they're a playoff team, though.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I. I don't really see it, man. I mean, granted, I don't want to, like, absolutely derail the show. You need so much help and you haven't helped yourself. You have three wins against teams that are not very good. But I think we, like, we've talked about. I'm glad that the team is getting better. Like you just said, you're gonna have five new defensive faces on the team.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And you're gonna trend in the right direction.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Absolutely. And they're gonna go on a run here. I, I definitely feel that way, but I don't know if it enough.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's going to have to be like, godly run.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're going to have to go like, what is it, eight and one down the stretch to even give yourself a shot.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But I do think second wins. Yeah. I do think the second half, 20, 25 season of the Dallas Cowboys is going to be much better than the first half of the season.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I hope so.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But I just think you've set yourself back so much. And, you know, even Patrick was talking about that if you take that loss against the Cardinals, you, chances are at, you know, making the playoffs are what, 11% now you needed that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm shocked that it's even that high. Like, I'm shocked. 11% is even.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I. And I feel like I know where Josh is going with this. You're going to sit, you're likely going to sit at the end of this season and you're going to probably, probably see the Cowboys go on some kind of a run and it's going to give you so much hope. And when it's all said and done and the smoke clears, there's a more than solid chance that they're on the outside looking in because they lost to the Cardinals.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Commercial Voice]

Yep.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's going to be the one.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And the Bears, I don't know if.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I can say the Bears because it looks like the Bears are trending toward.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The playoffs and they kind of kicked your teeth in.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, I know. Absolutely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean, they, I mean, Panthers are trending up.

[Patrick No See Walker]

All losses are. In my eyes, all losses are unforgivable if you're competitive. But when you look at the, the Bears, it stings a little bit less because, hey, it's like they're, they're turning.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Towards, then they're finding a way to.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Finish and they're, they're lighting up the scoreboard here recently, like, what the hell is going on with the Bears? But the Cardinals were just so inept and you made them look like world beaters. Yeah, they were down the very next week. They went back out and look Even more in Seattle did before they were.

[Kyle Yeomans]

38 to 7 at halftime.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That isn't very good.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's what.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And we lost.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah. That's what a contemporary is supposed to do to a. To a bad team. They're supposed to kick their teeth in. Yeah. So Seattle, did they show the Cowboys what to do? Cowboys didn't do it. I just feel like that Cardinals game is going to be the one.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's going to be the haunt.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It's going to be the one.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's going to haunt you.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It's right here as the ghost. So you're going to. I don't know. You've. You have so many mistakes that you made in the first half. So much to clean up. Might just be a little bit too much spilled milk to mop up.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I think so. But as long as this team gets better, I'm happy to see that. In terms of like the future of this team. I mean I, like I said, I think the 2025 season is what it is. I think you've done enough damage to yourself now at this point that it's really, really hard. Like we said, 11% chance for you to make the playoffs at this point. But. But the pieces that you've added I think will make you guys better and speak well for the future.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And I'll say this and shouts out to Melvin, I see you. The thing is. No, I mean, I'm not saying that sarcastically so. I mean he's making good points in the chat, so is. So are a lot of other people. So good. Great engagement, great conversation, guys. Ladies and gentlemen, I want to be clear that I'm not saying the Cowboys will go on a run. I'm saying if they want to shot at the playoffs, they have no choice but to try to go on a run. Now if you're asking me, if you say no, see, what are the odds of them making that run? Ngb.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, not good.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I want to say they're going to kick the Raiders teeth in, especially with the new additions and the returns that we're talking about. Logic says you will, but I'm kind of scarred by, you know, taking overtime to beat the Giants and then losing to the Bears in the fashion you did before the Bears even knew who they were. And then you, you know, you lose to the Cardinals 27:17. So I just, I don't know.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Kobe Brissette made you look silly right there.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Now even if you handle the Raiders, you got the Eagles, you got the Chiefs, you got the Lions. That three game stretch Right there, I think tears your run to shreds. Let's say you split with the Eagles. Great. You then need to get a two game win streak going against Patrick Mahomes in the Kansas City Chiefs. And then you need to get a three game win streak going in Detroit against the Lions before you can then look at the Vikings and say, okay, this is not a breather game. But as compared to the previous three opponents, kind of a breather game. That three game stretch is where the season lies.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Let, Let me ask you guys a question really quick though. Monday night, you guys destroy the Raiders.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Let's say it's very convincing. Defense looks brand awesome.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Right. How does that impact your feeling going forward? Because I wouldn't say that's a great barometer how you're going to play against, like we just said, the Eagles, the Chiefs and the Lions.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think it would feel a lot like the fool's gold. That was in week five when Dallas dismantled the Jets. That's kind of where I would feel is.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So you wouldn't trust it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, not, not quite.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Good on you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now if you turn around and you win another game, I mean, who they have first out of that run, It's Philadelphia.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Philadelphia.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You turn around and then look at you beat Philadelphia at home and you, you look good in that game too. Then we can start talking about this.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Being you beat the Eagles very convincingly.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Then it's like, all right, then we can make something of that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But then again, that's a, that's a, that's a team you tend to split against.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's a team that you play pretty well. And granted, you know, the first game of the season, I mean, you've had a chance to beat them. So I don't even know if I would take that into account.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You know what you should also take into account?

[Kyle Yeomans]

That team is 7 and 2. I think I would take it into it again.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's a, it's a team that you tend to split with.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's a rivalry.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I would, I wouldn't see a beat down against the Chiefs.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If you beat down the Raiders and you turn around, you beat the Eagles. Even if it's a tight game, I think I would start saying, all right, maybe this worked. Maybe this, maybe this got it. I would love all three, don't get me wrong. But I think my optimism would start kicking in after the Eagles game.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I would say you would have to. For my optimism to start kicking in. You would not only have to kick the Raiders into Oblivion. But I would need you to do more than simply defeat the Eagles.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm cool.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It would have to be a statement win. Like, I mean convince the game. You know, leave no doubt.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Not like, remember the Titans, not like Packers Eagles last night.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Right.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, no, not that game.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's not going to do it for me, but I will.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's in seven game.

[Patrick No See Walker]

What I will say is, folks, need to keep in mind of everything we're talking about. There's an added hidden challenge, hidden difficulty here for the Cowboys, and that is side quest. The dates. There's a side quest. That's the dates that these games are being played on.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, man.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Okay. All of the difficulty that we're talking about as far as, you know, you hope you won against the Raiders, but then you got Eagles, you got Chiefs, you got Lions. Well, let's look at this Monday Night Football and then you got Sunday. So that's a short week and an even shorter week thereafter because they play on Thanksgiving four days later against the Chiefs after you play the Eagles, which is a very physical team that you're going to take some bumps and bruises there and you don't have time to recover before Patrick Mahomes comes back to Texas.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Nope.

[Patrick No See Walker]

This is what I mean when I say, you know, by the way. Yeah. You know, you don't get a mini buy after that because when you got Detroit, December 4th with a Sunday, it's a Thursday. So Thursday, Thursday. So it's Thursday only seven. So you don't get the benefit of the mini buy after that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Then you get the money buy after.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Detroit, Monday, Sunday, Thursday, Thursday, before you get the extra couple days to prepare for, you know, the Minnesota Vikings. So it's ngb. Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's what I mean when I say.

[Josh Rodriguez]

This is what we're talking about, getting your business done and out of the way before this gauntlet that you have.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Of a schedule might be a little bit too much spilled milk to mop up is what I'm saying. Yeah, it doesn't look great.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There's a lot on the line these next couple weeks and it is not looking good. But guess what? We're still going to be here no matter what here on Talking Cowboys. And so are you talking day 888-855-2297. Give us a call, 888-855-2297. We'll answer some phone calls on the other side of the break right after this.

[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Caller/Guest]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Caller/Guest]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Back to Talking Cowboys back here on Talking Cowboys, presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company, the official coffee of the Dallas Cowboys. This segment is brought to you by Invisalign. The official smile of the Dallas Cowboys. Back with Patrick no See Walker with Josh Rodriguez. I'm Kyle Yeomans, and guess who's back? His name is Chris Beam, and he's got the sounder for some. Call us now.

[Caller/Guest]

Let's unwind Talking Tuesday.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Talking. It is a talking Tuesday here on Talking Cowboys. Oh, my goodness. I just looked at Twitter. The Mavs fired GM Nico Harrison.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Wait, am I back?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow. Wow, that's wild.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Why?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm wearing a legend shirt today.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Why would they do that?

[Kyle Yeomans]

There's a lot of reasons.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I'm thinking I'm big.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow, that's crazy. Well, I don't want to go too far into that because that would take up our entire show. All right, John from Burlington, North Carolina. Carolina is now on Talking Cowboys. What's up, John?

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, how you guys doing today?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Doing great. Thanks for calling.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah, it's good to be on with you again. I hadn't talked to you since last year when I had a few words of wisdom for you about the commander.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Caller/Guest]

But anyway, I just wanted just a couple questions and a couple comments, and then I'll hang up. First of all, Brian Schottenheimer seems to be getting a lot of grace. We talk about Eber Cluse a lot, which he is terrible. But this Schottenheimer, I don't see so much great on his side. I mean, I know the offense started out pretty good, but he started out talking about seven irons and drivers. I think he's down to his pitching wage as far as I'm concerned. So maybe we're doing what I said last year.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's good.

[Caller/Guest]

Maybe we need to do whatever it takes to get Kyle Shanahan down there so we have some real football Played in Dallas once again. Secondly, what's. What's the deal with Butler? He was playing great last year before he tore his acl. I understand he's back healthy. Better than anything we got out there currently for sure. I mean, I hate to say it as you don't know if you remember, I talked about Andrew Booth last year being. I mean he, he looked, he would look good. His secondary so bad. And I, I can't even believe I said that. And finally, if you guys could just give my man Isaiah a message about Trey Lance. I told you he couldn't play last year in that commander's game. He couldn't even hit a wide open. The guy that went on down to Carolina, he couldn't even hit him, Rico. He couldn't even hit him. Wide open end zone or we'd have beat them last year with our four stringers. And finally I talked my man box Lombardi. I see him on the break. I don't think they take. He's always bad mouthing Mike McCarthy. Just as a quick reminder, he's the only coach in the last 20 years. Went 12 and five, three consecutive years and the playoffs do matter. Thank you guys for listening. I hope you have a great day.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thank you very much. There's a lot to unpack there and lots of points certainly in that regard.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I'll start with that pitching wedge line.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Was the criticism of Brian Schottenheimer. That was the first thing that stuck out to me is I think there's fair criticism from a play calling standpoint. Yes, I think he said it. This offense started hot. They were rolling in the right direction. They were kicking on all cylinders and putting up points. Even if they were in losing efforts, they were still having success. And then over the last two games, Denver followed by Arizona. The offense has just been inept at times. And I think part of that is play calling, part of that is execution. And I said it yesterday on the offensive line. I think the offensive line's got to play better. But what do you think about the. I think we've seen more than a seven iron. I think we've seen the driver a couple times. But down to the pitching wedge. Do you think that's the case for Coach Schottenheimer?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Why would you use baseball analogies with me? Dude, what are you talking about?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Baseball? Because I said pitching?

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, I mean I think there's fair criticism for Brian Schottenheimer's as a play caller. I talked about it last week, especially after the Cardinals game when you're, you know, what is it first and golf or is it second or third? Whatever it was, you're at the four yard line and you're running so well and Rico or Rico Daddle. Excuse me, Excuse me. Javante Williams is playing his A off and you choose to throw the ball four yards out twice in a row. That was a choice, that was a choice from Brian Schottenheimer. But I think he's sort of at least the offensive line getting in a groove. I think the more confidence that he has the offensive line going forward, once they have more chemistry, taking more snaps together, I think he's going to be a little more consistent and reliant on the run when he believes in it a little bit more. But at least for me, I think it's fair to criticize where Brighton Chimer's out, Brighton Schottenheimer's at right now. But I don't think you criticize the fact that he is a leader for sure.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And I, I do, I do agree with the criticism because this offense has stalled lately.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And. But then when you look at the totality of why they they're stalled, it's a combination of questionable play calls from Schottenheimer. But then when they're great play calls or play calls that would produce chunk yardage, you're not getting protection up front. You can't get the run game going. You got, you know, self inflicted wounds that I mean, Brian Schottenheimer is not the one telling you to fall start. Right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

He's not the one telling you to hold a guy. Right. So you know that accountability lies on the players as well. So. But I've seen enough so far from Brian Schottenheimer over the first several games to believe that. I mean, I don't think he's all the way down to a pitching which I can't get over because that was a bar. I think he'll start pulling the driver back out. But it starts with, and I agree with Josh here, it starts with having trust in your offensive line that they're going to resolidify and be able to, you know, control the game. Because if they don't control the game, then you're going to see Brian Schottenheimer try to call plays that are, that he otherwise wouldn't because he lacks that trust in that moment of the offensive line. So one thing begets the other. Offensive line starts playing well again, it begets the trust.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Less mistakes on that side from Brian.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Schottenheimer which then begets, you know, him being More confident and calling plays that trust, that offensive line and then that involves going downfield more. That also involves running the ball more with Javante Williams. So I think it starts in the trenches, but I'm in no way, shape or form saying that Brian Schottenheimer escapes accountability because he absolutely does not as the leader of this team. As far as Mike McCarthy goes, credit to McCarthy for having those three 12, five seasons. That is not easy to do, especially with the spotlight of Dallas hovering above you. But at the end of the day, the playoff success was not there. So you got to keep that in mind as well. But you'll probably, you know, all you Mike McCarthy fans that still exist and I get it, I mean, he's one of the best coaches in NFL history. It just couldn't make it work here in Dallas. You'll probably get your fix when he's coaching the Giants.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Prediction, bold prediction.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Wow.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You did.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I think McCarthy to the Giants.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He took a year off for a reason.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I've been saying that the whole time. Took a year off to let time, you know, fade the picture in people's minds as far as what he was unable to do in Dallas. And you know, here we go, the Giants.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We had a lot of conversations about Mike McCarthy at the end of the year. I'll just stick to what we talked about back then, you know. Yeah, whenever that was, whenever that decision was looming whether or not to bring him back, I'll kind of keep it to that. All right, Mike in New York is our next caller. What's going on, Mike?

[Caller/Guest]

What's going on? First, foremost my prayers for Neil and obviously I'm a die hard Cowboys fan. You guys know that and listen to your show. Yesterday was heartbreaking. Obviously it's, you know, tragedy as far as being a bigger than football as we talk. You know, you guys have made it clear and stuff but you know, it's just my thoughts and prayers for, you know, for organization stuff and I'm hoping that our defense improves with the, you know, the Williams and guys that we added on defense. I feel like it's can't, you know, should be, should be better. I mean it's, you know, hopefully I think I feel like what we did on defense definitely got better. So hopefully we'll see.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So I appreciate you, Mike, as always. And of course, yeah, I meant to say this at the beginning of the show, but for all those that kind of sent us messages and support yesterday, we got a lot of Twitter DMs and mentions and things like that about the Support from yesterday's show. Appreciate it. That was four guys talking real, you know. Yeah, it was. It was heartbreak. It certainly, and it still is to today. But we appreciate you being patient with us through yesterday's show and a lot of emotion that was flying around the building yesterday.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Some things are bigger than football, though, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Absolutely. Absolutely. Mike, talking about. About the return of five new faces on the defensive side of the football. A couple from the trades, couple from the back end of injury rehab and things like that. Which one are you most excited about? Because I know all year long, Patrick's been all over this demarvi and Overshone train, but can the trade of Quinn and Williams upend the excitement of what demarvion Overshone brings?

[Patrick No See Walker]

I don't know that it can upend it, but I think that those trains are neck and neck, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You can't do that on tracks, you know, it's not allowed.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's true.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The Federal Railroad Commission doesn't allow it.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Okay, then, yes, you can pass each other then. Yes. For the sake of your point that you're trying to make as a moderator, then, yes, I do think that narrowly, Quinn and Williams's acquisition could edge out the return of the Marvin Overshone.

[Caller/Guest]

But.

[Patrick No See Walker]

But I mean, I say that to say how exciting can this Raiders game be? I mean, obviously we. We're going to honor Marshon and we're going to continue to honor Marshawn, but inside of that, you know, demarvion Overshone, the fan base, including myself, we've been salivating at the thought of this. This young man getting back on the field and. And hopefully remaining healthy and what he can do for this defense. But at the same time, we sat here and we said, you're probably going to have to give him some grace for him to get back to that. That point. Right. Because he's. He's just now coming back. But then you go and you trade for Quinn Williams. Okay. You know, one thing that's going to help to Marvin over show, get that, you know, get back to form pretty quick, is a little bit, is dropping Quinn and Williams right in front of him. Right. So, you know, for that purpose, for that reason, if. For that reason alone, I'm going to say that the Quinn and Williams trade does slightly edge out the excitement to have the Marvion back. But, you know, be not mistaken, I am still through the roof and over the moon to see demarvanovichon back on the field, knowing the adversity he's had to overcome yet again. Um, but man, this what so what do you got with the Raider going against the Raiders? You got the debut of Quinn Williams to a lesser but still important degree. You got Logan Wilson debuting. You got the return of the Marv Nova shown, possibly the debut of Savone Revelation. So this is under the bright lights in Las Vegas.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's going to be interesting. First ever regular season trip for the Cowboys to Las Vegas, by the way.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, it was preseason.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, they went to the preseason game a couple of years back. All right, let's take our second break. When we come back, we've got a couple more callers on the line as our Talking Tuesday wraps up here from the Star in Frisco. More talking Cowboys after this.

[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Then once your to do list is.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Done, get ready to kick back, relax and enjoy the game. Shop in store online now and earn your Sunday with help from Lowe's, official.

[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Commercial Voice]

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[Caller/Guest]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

If you're looking for fresh American roasted coffee that gives back, you need to head to your local grocery store and pick up a bag of Black Rifle Coffee. That's right, America's Coffee is now available in the coffee aisle of a grocery store near you. Black Rifle Coffee Company is veteran founded with a mission to give back to those brave men and women who have served our nation. Every bag, box or can you purchase helps support that mission. Head to your local grocery store and roast yourself some Black Rifle Coffee today.

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[Patrick No See Walker]

Hey, mom, before you ask, I've done my homework and the dishwasher's unloaded. Nice. Hey, can you.

[Caller/Guest]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes, I've got the finale ready to play.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

See att.com guarantee for details. Back to Talking Cowboys Back here on Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle coffee company where your cowboys gear to a black Rifle coffee brick and mortar store and get 10% off your entire order on Cowboys game days. You see this sweet hat that Josh is rocking right here?

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's the second compliment I got Patrick. You got a great hat too.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Patrick has a great hat.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But no, but I'm getting a lot of praise on this hat. But I've worn this before.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Have you? On the show?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's fire.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You like that?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't know if I remember. It looks. I like it. It's sweet.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I think it's how it complements the pullover. The fleece pullover.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's what it is.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I think it just matches the handsome squid. Squidward aesthetic 100%.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There's like half of our audience that's probably like what is handsome Squidward, Just look it up.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Just look it up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's about to pick up recycle bins.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, no. Do you hear Beamer?

[Josh Rodriguez]

What did he say?

[Kyle Yeomans]

He said. He said, josh, you look like you're about to pick up my recycle bins out back.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Oh, wow.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's awful.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Says the guy that wears a Native American fleece in the back.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hey, hey.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't need beam coming at me for fashion.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Dude.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Dude tucks in his polo every day.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What's wrong with tucking in the polo? Oh, my God. My polo's tuck. We're not friends.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I don't tuck my polo wings.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I know.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You do. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We didn't talk about fashion.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Let's turn it over to Nebby in Silver Spring, Maryland. What's going on, Nebby?

[Caller/Guest]

Hi, guys. Thank you so much for taking my call.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Of course.

[Caller/Guest]

Listen, I have a comment and I also have a question. My question is, am I crazy for believing that despite the fact that our offensive line has struggled at times this season, am I crazy for believing that Connor Riley has done a good job so far at as our offensive line coach? My comment is, the only way we can make the playoffs this season is by winning the NFC East. And considering that the Eagles are now three and a half games ahead of us, it's going to be a tall order for us to win the NFC East. But, of course, anything can happen. And take care. Have a great week. Thanks for being patient with me. And.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I.

[Caller/Guest]

I love you guys. Take care. Bye.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Love you, Nevi. Appreciate you, man. And what do we always say about. Exactly. And. And I think his point there is valid at the very end when he's talking about Philadelphia being the team to catch in order for Dallas to make the playoffs. We talked about that in the opening segment. You know, need two teams from two separate divisions to start falling off. Or you can just try and catch Philadelphia. They're remaining scheduled. Detroit, Dallas, Chicago, L.A. chargers, Vegas, Washington, Buffalo on the road. And Washington. So they got Washington twice in the final three weeks. That's kind of an interesting, unique deal. And then, I mean, they could lose to Detroit. Dallas could try and help themselves there. But of course, that's a game where Philadelphia should be heavily favored. Chicago's been playing better football. The Chargers have been playing pretty good football. Chargers, Raiders are me. And then at Buffalo, like, Josh Allen's going to be ramped up by then, too. So it's possible that the Eagles end up with five or six losses in there. That would mean The Dallas Cowboys have to run the table.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yep.

[Kyle Yeomans]

In order to.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Maybe one more.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And it can't be the Raiders.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It can't be.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's where Nebby's point comes in. It's a tall old to. To quote Nebby, it is in fact a tall order. It's so much damage has been done over the first half of the season that it requires damn near perfection over the remainder of the season. And you're just. Anything is possible. True. But it's so unlikely that you are damn near perfect suddenly.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Damn near perfect.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Over the remainder of the season. Yes. You're getting, you know, five up. Which of five new faces on the defensive side of the ball. Yes. Your offense is most likely going to snap back. Back and get back in their groove. However, to. To play virtually perfect football every single week. That means your playoffs start right now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah. You can't lose another game.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Right. Your playoffs start right now. So to speak. And that's a long time to mentally be in that space. Every single game is a must win. Every single snap. And I mean, you should have that thought process anyway. But realistically speaking, it's. It ratchets up.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Given the sample size of what the team has given you so far, you cannot bank on that happening. You really can't. That would just be. That would be silly to think that way. But I think the one thing that you can sort of hang your hat on is that this team gets better. This team galvanizes and. And goes forward and plays good football. That's the. That's what's most important to me right now is playing really well and winning these games, winning the game that's in front of you. Right. Going one and oh each week and. Yeah, that's all you can really do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I. I don't want to skip over his point, but we got to get to our next caller about the offensive line. I think. I think there's been ups and downs with the offensive line, but with the revolving door that they've had, I do give credit to Connor Riley and to Clayton Adams, too, as the offensive coordinator that has his hands on this offensive line. I think you're going to start seeing their work pay off this week or the week after that with better offensive line play. I really do. I think the continuity up front is all you've been missing. And now that you've got your five guys back, I think it's going to start to click a little bit better.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What they saw in the run game early on in the season, even in training camp is something that I didn't necessarily see coming to fruition and it has impacted the team so far. And you, you can easily rely on this game, on this run game. Granted, the coaching staff hasn't necessarily done that in play calling scenarios so far this season, but at least for me, the stark difference between the run game last season versus this season, it's there, man. You have to have great confidence in it. And Conor Riley's done an incredible job.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, real quick to the Conor Riley point. I mean, he's also accountable for the offensive line struggles over the past couple of games. That being said, he's also accountable for. We can also be credited for the running game getting where it was in the first place. I remember we were sitting here at the same table talking about how the Cowboys were down four starters and you couldn't tell. Nope, that's Connor Riley.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, we did have that conversation. All right, final caller of the day on this talking Tuesday, Brian in Kansas City. What's going on, Brian?

[Caller/Guest]

Good morning, gentlemen.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What's going on? Good morning.

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, I was just thinking about the offensive line also and so glad to hear from Nebby today. You know, I really wanted to know. So I don't think this is breaking news that the weak point appears to be the tackles. Do we have any options? Because we put in Nate Thomas last week and he did not have a good showing in the part of the game that he got in for. Is there anybody else on the roster that you think, hey, maybe this is the person that, that, that could give us some stability there. I'll hang up and listen. It's good to talk to you guys today.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Appreciate you calling as always, Brian. Always bringing up great questions. Here are your tackles on the roster right now. Tyler Guyton, Terrence Dealers are your starters.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Of course.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Nate Thomas, Hakeem Adenaji. Would you like me to continue? You can't exactly. I mean, a Johnny Cornelius maybe, but he's been mostly working at guard throughout the season. Maybe off of your practice squad or reserves. I mean, there's not really a whole lot there. So, I mean, they do have Jaron Christian, the undrafted or, excuse me, the signee from Cleveland this offseason. Christian, who was at training camp, I believe, or maybe right after training camp, but there's not a whole lot of option there. And we've had the debate. I know you and I talked about the Nate Thomas performance in a different light. I think you saw it as he didn't play well and he didn't. And I agree I thought he was put in a tough situation and didn't play well. I don't want to replace Terrence Steele quite yet, but if you need to experiment, he's the only one that I would be okay with that doing.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And we talked about this specifically, like you mentioned a few episodes ago, episodes ago, before the bye week, where it's like, like you as an organization, you have to decide what you want to do. What's your future with Terrence Steele? Yeah. Because if you feel like Nate Thomas might be the future at the position, then go ahead and unleash him now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Maybe.

[Patrick No See Walker]

But if you believe that you still have a future with Terence Steele and that he can get back to form, then you ride that, that wave. I don't like the waffling, the back and forth right where it's just like, okay, well, let's start one and if he doesn't play well at halftime, we'll swap him out. You're. You're ruining the continuity of what Connor Riley is trying to, trying to do there. So pick one, stick with it. And I think that they're going to pick Terence Steele and stick with that because, you know, I think Nate Thomas has, has a future. Um, I'm not going to say I believe Nate Thomas is a Pro bowl caliber guy, but I think he has a future at potentially being a starter. I just don't know that you're going to find that out. Out right now.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Correct me if I'm wrong, Chris Beamer, but is. Is you're able to get out of Steel's contract after this season, correct?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think you're right.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I can take a look here if you'd like to know.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, I want to see Nate Thomas.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You want to see him at right tackle? I do kind of flip them a little bit. Okay.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That, that just don't really have any options. Yeah, you, you need to look at those. Those. You need to look at Tyler Guyton, and you need to look at Terence Steele, and you need to just say, play better ball consistently. Play better ball more consistently. Not just in patches or pockets, no pun intended with the pocket thing, but you just need to play better ball because Akeem Adenogy. Yeah, Nate.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who's going to be here in the future? Who's going to be your offensive lineman?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Don't, please don't look at free agency because it's not there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We asked you a question. Chris Beamer. We'll see you next time.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

More talking cowboys for Patrick. No, see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying, so long. We'll see next time. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

[Patrick No See Walker]

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