Talkin’ Cowboys: Dig at Diggs & Denver’s D

Summary

Talkin’ Cowboys: Dig at Diggs & Denver’s D

Podcast: Talkin’ Cowboys – Dallas Cowboys
Date: October 22, 2025
Hosts: Kyle Yeomans (host), Isaiah Stanback, Patrick “No C” Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Chris Beam (producer)

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Episode Overview

This episode is dedicated to two major storylines:

1. The escalating drama around All-Pro cornerback Trevon Diggs, his future in Dallas, and what it means for the Cowboys' secondary and culture.
2. A deep, tactical preview of the Cowboys' #1 ranked offense facing the Denver Broncos' top-tier defense—widely regarded as the best and most aggressive in the NFL in 2025.

True to Talkin’ Cowboys form, the crew combines playful banter, in-depth football analysis, inside reporting, and real talk about what matters to fans.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trevon Diggs Drama: Frustration at Every Level

[03:26–21:50]

• Latest Update:
  Diggs is absent due to an unexplained at-home concussion/accident. The front office, led by Jerry Jones, is tight-lipped about the circumstances.

  "Jerry Jones said he was, quote, 'satisfied with the explanation' but still will not reveal what the explanation was." – Isaiah Stanback [06:22]

• Organizational Frustration is Boiling Over:
  Jerry’s recent radio comments were surprisingly cold, reflecting that the Cowboys are "fine" without Diggs, which the panel reads as unusual for a cornerstone player.

  "I feel better about being able to play if we don't have him out there." – Quoting Jerry Jones [07:14]

  • Panel reacts:
    "That's not how you typically speak about one of your cornerstone players who's absent from a game." – Isaiah Standback [07:21]
    "It was quite the dig." – Josh Rodriguez [07:38]

• Timeline of Tensions:

  • Diggs returning from injury chose to rehab away from staff—seen as a red flag.
  • Was fined for off-site rehab, team could've overlooked but didn't [10:14].
  • Training camp conduct, tied to the Micah Parsons trade drama; team felt Diggs was not supportive enough or “on board” with new direction.
  • Public criticisms from Diggs about defensive scheme (wanting more man coverage) didn’t sit well.

• Trade Deadline Pressure:
  The November 4th trade deadline looms. Panelists surmise Diggs may be on the block, but openly doubt any team will offer more than a late round pick due to performance and contract size.

  "That's probably all you'd get is probably a 6 or 7. Absolutely. I don't think. And that's even a stretch..." – Kyle Yeomans [14:46]

• Cultural Fit Issues:
  Team’s new leadership under Schottenheimer and head coach, coupled with the Diggs’ visible frustrations and off-field choices, put him squarely at odds with the new Cowboys identity.

  "I don't believe that he represents what they're trying to do...I think they're trying to give him opportunity to get on board." – Travis [12:23]

• Loss of Mentors:
  Both Al Harris (former position coach) and Micah Parsons (friend/confidante, recently traded) are gone—isolating Diggs further.

  "Losing Al Harris was the worst thing that could have happened for Trayvon...Some guys need Al more than others." – Travis [20:16]

Notable Quotes & Moments

• “[Those comments are] quite the dig.” – Josh Rodriguez on Jerry Jones’s shade at Diggs [07:38]
• “As soon as we lost Al, I said, that’s not good… Trayvon needs Al.” – Travis [20:28]
• “I believe what you’re seeing is fed-upness from the organization.” – Travis [09:36]
• “You’re trying to introduce a new culture on top of all of it… I don’t believe that he represents what they’re trying to do.” – Travis [12:23]

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2. Cowboys Offense vs. Broncos Defense: A Heavyweight Clash

[24:05–47:10]

Setting the Stage

• Dallas boasts the NFL's #1 total offense (390 yds/game)
• Denver fields the #3 total and #4 scoring defense (273 yds, 18 pts/game)
• Panel agrees: “Unstoppable force meets immovable object.”

Why the Broncos Defense is Scary

• Elite Pass Rush:

  • #1 in NFL for sacks, QB hits, pressures, pressure rate, and players with 3+ sacks.
  • Zach Allen (18 QB hits) and Nick Bonito (17) lead the NFL.

  "This is arguably the best secondary in the league. Arguably the best corner in the league… Pastor 10 the second." – Travis [33:26]

  • Depth means 13 different players generated pressure in last week’s game.

• Aggressive and Versatile:

  • 3-4 base, heavy on man coverage (highest rate in the NFL), DBs with rare size and length.
  • Vance Joseph’s creative pressure packages, including double-A-gap looks and stress-inducing fronts.

  "If you run the same snap count, [Nick Bonito] will get it, understand it, predict it, and anticipate it every single time." – Travis [29:13]

• Secondary Talent:

  • Patrick Surtain II—2024 Defensive Player of the Year.
  • Riley Moss: elite coverage stats—second lowest completion % allowed for any defender with 100+ snaps.

  “Don’t sleep on Riley Moss’s ability to stay in the hip pocket of your receiver.” – Isaiah Stanback [37:39]

  • Safeties Brandon Jones (coverage) and Talanoa Hufanga (“heat seeking missile”).

• Key Absence:

  • Dre Greenlaw (LB) is suspended, a possible break for Dallas.
    "Drake Greenlaw is one of the best linebackers in football… but what sucks is their depth is insane." – Travis & Josh Rodriguez [27:41–27:55]

How the Cowboys Can Attack

• Dak Prescott’s Quick Release is Key:
  • “Dak Prescott gets the ball out real quick...and he's got multiple options.” – Isaiah Standback [42:01]
  • Pressure means incomplete passes, not picks—Broncos' sack numbers are high, but INTs are low because QBs get hit before mistakes.
• Javonte Williams “Revenge Game” Factor:
  • Running success would neutralize the rush, force DBs into run support, and generate better play-action opportunities.

  “This needs to be the Javonte Williams revenge [game]…” – Isaiah Standback [42:06]

  • Panel rallies around Williams as a key X-factor.
• Where to Attack Denver:
  • Broncos have yielded passing TDs “mainly outside the numbers” and “against linebackers in coverage.” (Underneath routes, cross-formation)
• Matchups to Watch:
  • Surtain/Moss vs. CeeDee Lamb & George Pickens; can Dallas’ WRs win enough man-coverage reps?
  • Jake Ferguson (TE) as a release valve—LBs susceptible.
• Big Picture:
  • Cowboys’ statistical domination in recent weeks came against lesser defenses—Denver represents a major step up.

  “This is a different animal… It’s a Bronco.” – Kyle Yeomans [45:24]

Tactical Keys

• Get the running game going early (“establish the threat”)
• Use misdirection to take advantage of Denver’s upfield aggressiveness
• Accept that there will be 50/50 ball opportunities; trust your playmakers
• Expect some mistakes—Denver forces QBs into on-the-fly adjustments

Notable Quotes & Moments

• “My bubble guts are bubbling.” – Travis, opening the Denver preview with anxiety [26:16]
• “All the touchdowns Denver has allowed have occurred mainly on their linebackers...if you can get guys outside the numbers, that’s where they have lost.” – Travis [43:13]
• “This is going to be fun… unstoppable force meets immovable object.” – Isaiah Standback [38:07]
• “If Javonte can do what he wants to do, everything plays off of that…I think this is edge to the Cowboys for me in this one.” – Isaiah Standback [47:10]
• “The Dolphins are drowning, and the Broncos are one of the most feared defenses in the NFL currently.” – Josh Rodriguez [35:13]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Diggs Drama Deep Dive & Trade Speculation:
  03:26 – 21:50 (Entire first segment)
• Transition to Offense/Defense Preview:
  24:05 – 24:49
• Denver Defense Scouting Report / Analytics:
  24:50 – 34:50
• Advanced Stats & Depth Discussion:
  31:33 – 35:22
• How Cowboys Offense Can Attack:
  42:01 – 47:10
• Prediction & Key Matchups Recap:
  47:10 – 47:39

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Memorable & Fun Moments

• Running jokes about “glazing” (i.e., giving too much respect) to the Denver D.
  “Pouring all the glaze. Cuz you better understand exactly who the heck you’re dealing with.” – Travis [41:18]
• “My bubble guts are bubbling…” Travis expressing his nerves for the matchup [26:16]
• Group riffs on Javonte Williams’ “revenge game” and the magic of saying his name three times [42:57]
• “It’s a Bronco.” – Running joke about the animal challenge! [45:24]

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Summary & Takeaways

• The Cowboys front office appears done with Trevon Diggs, but the situation is complicated by contract, culture fit, and trade value.
• The Denver defense is statistically, tactically, and personnel-wise the toughest unit Dallas faces this season—elite pass rush, sticky coverage, and smart, creative scheming.
• Key for Dallas: establish the run, unleash quick passing, and trust your playmakers to win contentious man-coverage matchups.
• Javonte Williams looms large as an X-factor. If the Cowboys run game gets going, their offense can match Denver’s ferocity.
• The outcome of this heavyweight clash could define what kind of 2025 season Dallas is going to have.

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Next episode:
Previewing the Cowboys’ defense vs. Bo Nix, Courtland Sutton, and J.K. Dobbins—Denver’s resurgent offense!

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“If Javonte can do what he wants to do, everything plays off of that…[slight] edge to the Cowboys.”
— Isaiah Standback [47:10]

Transcript

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Travis]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Travis]

We're about to talk about the Broncos defense versus the Cowboys offense. And I feel like we have the coy. Josh and no see.

[Isaiah Standback]

Oh, you don't have the coin.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Why is that?

[Isaiah Standback]

I don't know. I'm just feeling.

[Kyle Yeomans]

About 30 seconds into the show.

[Travis]

I'm just feeling the vibes.

[Isaiah Standback]

Kyle. Blatant accusations.

[Travis]

I think that erroneous.

[Isaiah Standback]

It's called projection.

[Travis]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Josh is coy.

[Travis]

I'm not coy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's coy.

[Travis]

Josh. I'm not excited to talk about this today, but I'm not coy.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Are they gonna win again?

[Travis]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Travis]

I have the all black version.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, you like it?

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah. Snuffle up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I like that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I like that hat. Yeah. I won.

[Isaiah Standback]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Joshua Luffagus.

[Travis]

Whoa.

[Isaiah Standback]

That's what it sounded like. Joshua Lufficus. He said he sounded like Sesame street character.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Used to call me snuffer.

[Travis]

That one with a long trunk.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah. My mom used to call me that because my eyelashes go straight down. Like, cover my eyeball. I don't know if you guys noticed that I have not seen the cam. But yeah, hd. Hd.

[Isaiah Standback]

You know, Isaiah Stand back.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Also shouts to my mom, she had a birthday this week.

[Travis]

Shout out to mom, happy birthday.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Love you about that.

[Isaiah Standback]

We love you, Mama.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now we've got plenty to talk about today. It's our offensive preview going up against the Denver defense, which might be one of the tougher defenses Dallas has faced a little bit here on the 2025 season.

[Josh Rodriguez]

They're pretty good.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, they're legit, even though they did give up 32 points against the Giants the other day. But we'll talk about that.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, we'll talk about it.

[Travis]

We'll talk about that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And then they gave up. The giants gave up 33 points in the fourth quarter. Historic comeback stuff. All right, Patrick, news and notes. Let's get right into it. Busy day today.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And there was a little bit to talk about from yesterday even though the Cowboys weren't even on the practice field.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Some Dr. Little bit drama on a day off.

[Isaiah Standback]

Only a day off, huh?

[Travis]

Like what?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Just stirring it up a little bit.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah. Well, let's start with the fact that again, just to recap the guys that are returning to practice from IR today, headline by Agent zero Got to feel good about that. Marvin Novon will take the practice field today for the first time since suffering his torn ACL last year. Also Cooper bb, starting center, will return to practice and making his debut at Cowboys practice, his rookie third round pick, Savone Revel. So that is great news. Yes, indeed.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Jonathan Mingle also returned to practice after suffering that knee sprain in the preseason that kind of deleted the beginning of his regular season. And now we get to the drama. Such a love, hate, love kind of not like you, kind of love you again relationship that this organization has with one of its all pro cornerbacks, Jerry Jones. General mat manager Jerry Jones was on 1053 the Fan yesterday. Now normally he's scheduled to speak before talking Cowboys, but he is traveling for the owner's meetings. They tried to get in contact with him. The connection was not great as he tried to speak from the plane. So he ended up speaking around 10:30.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Those are the kind of problems I want to have. Yeah, it's like the connection is not great for my jets. Sorry, dude.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sorry.

[Isaiah Standback]

First world problems. Yeah, until the highest degree.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'll get it fixed next time.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, I'll call you later when I'm not on my jet doing. You know, this is the biggest flex of all time.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Maybe, maybe it was somebody else else. It was probably at and t doing a great job to get him connected once he got back on the ground.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It was when he got on the ground. He was connected. He was connected, and it was perfect. It was basically face.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He needs that connection all the way through.

[Isaiah Standback]

Satellite phone just wasn't. Wasn't hitting it.

[Travis]

I need 18 to get some free.

[Isaiah Standback]

So when asked about Trayvon Diggs. Let's just a quick recap. Trayvon Diggs suffered a quote, unquote accident at his home the Friday preceding the game against the who. They just command. Yeah, there you go.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So no clarity on what the actual.

[Isaiah Standback]

I really just did that to be petty because I hate that team.

[Travis]

So.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah. So no clarity. There's a lot of speculation as far as what actually happened. No one outside of the building knows for sure. And not a lot of people inside the building know. Know for sure either, to be honest with you, because I've heard several different.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Things, I'm gonna assume it was a cartoon bonk. It was like an Acme Anvil, like.

[Isaiah Standback]

Wiley Coyote type stuff.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Or like he was running, playing with Aiden, and Aiden painted.

[Travis]

Does.

[Isaiah Standback]

Painted the highway on a railroad into the wall. Hey, that. Let's go with the. Don Jerry Jones said that he was, quote, unquote, satisfied with the explanation, but he still will not reveal what the explanation was. So there's that. But here's where it gets interesting. So Brian Schottenheimer on Monday said that Tron Diggs showed up in the building. They took a look at him, say, hey, you're not. It don't look great, my friend. So go back home.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Which is standard procedure when it comes to concussion protocol. They bring you in, double check, and then they send you home if you don't.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yep, yep, yep.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Align with the. The mandated steps. Yeah. The benchmarks along the way.

[Isaiah Standback]

Correct. So that's all, you know, default stuff. Yes. Okay. This is not, though. Oh, quote, there's no reason to dwell. Dwell on it anymore here. Okay. That's what it is. Consequently, what we did see is we played pretty well out there. I don't know the status of Diggs as we move forward, but I feel better about being able to play if we don't have him out there. End quote. Dropped, Mike. I heard that. And I was like, that's not how you typically speak about one of your cornerstone players who's absent from a game.

[Travis]

And.

[Isaiah Standback]

Because typically, it's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Or dealing with injury.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, you're dealing with injury of any sort. It's. You know, we were able to perform out there. We were glad to see that, you know, the guys stepped up in his absence. We Love the depth there. The guys took, you know, to make the best of opportunity, but can't wait to get him back on the field.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It was quite the dig.

[Isaiah Standback]

I feel better. That was nice. That was nice about being able to play. If we don't have him out there, I'll throw that to the, to the panel.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Reactions on that.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'll say I don't feel better if he's not out there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'll say that pretty plainly. I, I think that's a, I think that's a, yeah. Normal take to have Trayvon Diggs all pro cornerback. I mean, yeah, I would love to see him out there. I don't know exactly the ramifications of why he's not out there, aside from, you know, this mysterious injury that he had in his home. But at least for me, outside looking in to this whole situation, I want him out there. Of course I do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, I agree with you in the fact that you need bodies. He hasn't played well this season. I mean, that's just plain and simple. We've talked about that. But you need guys out there because as we're talking about the return of Caleb Carson with the return of Savone Rebel, they're not immediately going to go in and take the type of reps that Trayvon Diggs can go in and take, whether it's good or bad. And we've seen a little bit of both from Trayvon this year. So I'm with you. The, the whole situation is muddy.

[Isaiah Standback]

It is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's all muddy because, like, since when? Since it began. I mean, since.

[Isaiah Standback]

Fine. Not.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But, well, it wasn't since three days before the opener.

[Isaiah Standback]

Maybe rehab, I was thinking, that's what I'm saying. Since a quarter million got you.

[Travis]

So it started. It's already been brewing.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Travis]

Coming to a head, maybe 13 days.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What is that?

[Isaiah Standback]

13. Deadline.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Deadline till the trade deadline.

[Travis]

Yep.

[Isaiah Standback]

I believe, I was going to say.

[Travis]

I believe that once Micah Parsons was, was dealt. Yeah. Trayvon was put on notice. I, I, I didn't say that on the show. I've said it in conversations.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sure.

[Travis]

Once Micah was traded, Trayvon was on notice and that was a warning shot to either get in line or get out. And I believe what you're seeing is fed upness from the organization. Okay. Coming from rehab, chose to do his own thing instead of be with the staff.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yes.

[Travis]

They didn't like that. No. My boy Josh would say, yeah, they did not like that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't like those words.

[Travis]

So consequently, they did what they Find him. Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, they.

[Travis]

Per.

[Josh Rodriguez]

His.

[Travis]

For his contract. Right. Okay. They did what?

[Kyle Yeomans]

They docked him the pay that was in the wordage of the contract.

[Travis]

Absolutely. Which they had the option to choose to disregard it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

They chose to. Yeah. They chose to.

[Travis]

They could have disregarded it, but they make sure that they slapped him on a hand. Okay. Give me that bread. He didn't like that.

[Isaiah Standback]

They didn't.

[Travis]

They didn't like what he did.

[Isaiah Standback]

So they.

[Travis]

They did that. Training camp. Yep. Number of things that. Number of things that took place at training camp that I don't know it was public or not, but there are some things that they didn't like either. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And even the public stuff in terms of the Micah deal and him how he co. Negotiating almost at the same time, going.

[Travis]

And signing signs for pay. Micah and all that. There was some things that were taking place at training camp that I'm sure that they took notice of that they did not like.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Travis]

Every time Michael was in a camera, who was in his hip pocket after the Green Bay game, when Michael was in the camera, who was in his hip pocket. Yeah. Things that you notice as an organization that you may not like. His play, to your point, hasn't been great. No. Not justifying his paycheck at this point in time. When you get the big boy contract, you're getting paid partially for what you've done, majority for what you can. What they expect you to continue to do in the future. Hasn't necessarily done that. He's not the same player he was pre injury. At least we haven't seen it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, we haven't seen it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And we've talked about that even last year.

[Travis]

So we haven't seen it. I'm not gonna tell a man what he can or can't do, but we have not seen it on film based upon what he's done in the past.

[Josh Rodriguez]

To be fair, you could have said that about Ron Bland pre this last game.

[Travis]

Absolutely.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Sure you hadn't seen him the same way.

[Kyle Yeomans]

1,000% zone.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And that's a big part of it too. And his. His outward criticism of the defense and not using man coverage.

[Travis]

To be fair, we haven't seen Trayvon play a lot of. Ah, take that back, Chicago. We saw some man that did not.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You saw what happened.

[Travis]

Exactly. So play hasn't been great. So you couple those incidents that are already underlying disruptors per se, coupled with the fact that they're paying him a heck of a lot of money to do what they expect him to do, what he's done in the past.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And you're trying to introduce a new culture on top of all of it.

[Travis]

And you have a new D coordinator who you're trying to implement. You have a new head coach and new culture that you're trying to implement. I will go on record and say that he. I don't believe that he represents what they're trying to do. I'll state that. Right. Just from things that I've seen, I don't know the man as a person, but from some of the things that I've seen behind the scenes, I don't know that he necessarily matches that, but I think that they're trying to give him opportunity to get on board. Yeah, right. That's so far probably the fairest way to say that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And I think there were signs that he was trying to. Within the building.

[Travis]

For sure.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There were times where he was trying to get on board.

[Travis]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But then there was a setback or then there was. There was the. The. Of course, when he sat out at the beginning of the jets game, that was due to something that happened prior in the week. So there's all little things that just.

[Isaiah Standback]

Stack against the cycle.

[Travis]

I'm talking.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And had we had a winning record at this point, I think a lot of those things would be a lot lessened.

[Travis]

I agree. They always.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It would be a lot quieter from that side now.

[Travis]

But now the. The handful of people that are pevy to the information as to why he did not partake in practice nor the game last week, I think you're starting to see the frustration because that is not how you speak about one of your top three highest paid players on the team.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, one of.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Travis]

It's not how you do it.

[Isaiah Standback]

Really. It's just not.

[Travis]

It's just not. It's just not. So I say all that to say that's your history. Okay. That's your history. And now this is the present 13 days.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And the other part about it, since you're. You're bringing up the trade deadline and which I think adds another layer here of how frustrated the front office is. It's not how you talk about a high one of your highest paid players on your roster, period. It's also not how you would talk about a guy that you would want a team to want. Oh, we feel better about how we can play without him on the field. That to another team, it devalues what he could bring to another team too. If you're the Indianapolis Colts, if you're the Green Bay packers, if you're the. Whoever is out There, that's looking for a corner. And you're saying, oh, Trayvon Diggs might be on the trade block, but Dallas doesn't really want him. The trade deadlines in 13 days. They're going to have to make a move at some point down the line. Why not wait and see what they decide? And then if he's in waivers, then we don't even have to give up a sixth or a seventh round pick. Which by the way, right now is probably the value you would get back. That's probably all you'd get is probably a 6 or 7. Absolutely. I don't think. And that's even a stretch because of how this has gone and the play that he's had on the field. I don't think it would go any further than.

[Isaiah Standback]

And I think you also, by the.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Comments that you're making out in the public.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Correct. I think a day three pick is all you're getting.

[Isaiah Standback]

And also you got to keep in mind when you're, if you're the, the other team having the conversation with the Cowboys, right. So you're hearing what they're saying about, oh, well, you know, we look like we're fin playing without him. So the other team is like, oh, okay, my offer is going to go down and then that other team is going to look at the fact that, I mean, just next year alone, his cap hit is 18.4 million.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

So I mean, it's almost 60 million in remaining cap hit over the next three years of the contract. So assume that they can the new team, if they were to successfully strike the deal for him, they could rework the contract, whatever. But next year, I mean, these are.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Big numbers and Dallas could get a higher pick. He agreed to take on more of the contract and maybe negotiate a higher pick. Maybe that's how you get in to a day two selection.

[Isaiah Standback]

But I will say this. I don't think Isaiah's off base. Speaking from the team component of it, I think he's very much on base. I will add to that the other side of the coin in that I sat here on this, on this show. We were out in training camp and it was during the Micah thing and it was when the trade request was first offered and things started to go so poorly between Micah and, and the Cowboys. And I said it, I said, how does this look from the Trevon Diggs component going forward because of how close those two guys are if Micah is to be traded. This was back then, I was saying, if Micah is to be traded, how does Trayvon look at the Cowboys from that point forward. So it feels like in conjunction with what Isaiah is saying on the other side of that coin, Trayvon isn't too pleased with the team, is my view of it. So I'm not speaking for Trayvon.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, I think he could both ways.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

This is me speaking. The observation, just looking at the crumbs from the Micah situation falling apart to now. Yes, you're right, Kyle. I've seen a couple of times with Trayvon has. He's tried to buy in, and he's kind of like, okay, all right, let's shake all this off, and let's just. Let's just focus. Let's just go play ball. But then things like, oh, so you really, really going to keep running zone, huh? All right, so I'm going to jump in front of this camera and I'm going to say, yeah, I told him I want to run more, man.

[Travis]

Okay.

[Isaiah Standback]

And little things like that. And so Iber Floose then gets in front of the camera and he's like, I don't like grits. Okay, all right. I've been doing this long enough to know we're having a war. Words here, are we? Okay, so then that's in the public.

[Travis]

And that's in the public.

[Isaiah Standback]

So then you look at the latest thing being the concussion and the fact that there's no explanation for it, that's being provided publicly. But then even the people who were saying they're not going to provide it publicly, you can see, like Kyle said, the frustration in their face, like neck crack. You know what I mean? Like, when somebody asks you a question, you're like, I won't talk.

[Travis]

And. And different than a lot of organizations. Oftentimes, players dictate. Players are valued more than coaches in a lot of organizations. I don't get that. I don't believe that's the case here. I believe with this staff. With this staff and the way in which the Joneses have bought into Coach Schottenheimer and what he wants to do, I believe that they are giving. They are. All their chips are all in on shoddy. And if you didn't know that.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yes, yes.

[Travis]

Then look at the Micah trade. Right?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Travis]

That was a part of it as well. Right. It wasn't just a Mr. Jones thing. I believe that it was a culture thing, which was shoddy. And that's why I said it was shots fired. Right. Warning shot to Trayvon. He's like, now you got until November 4th to figure out what you want to do. Right? Do you want to get on board or do you not want to get on board? And since then, there's been a number of incidents. Not one. Yep, there's been a number of things. Some of the things you just hit on and then you throw on this last little. Little curveball. It's. It's built up. It is built up. And when you. Then you go out and you have a positive showing.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Travis]

It affirms what the Joneses might already have in the back of their head is, can we produce without.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's what Jerry said to the media.

[Travis]

And that's exactly what Jerry just said to the media. So now you're. You're. You got a couple weeks. Your backs against the deadline. To your point, what is it? What is the value? Does he fit the mold? Duron Bland just got paid. DB is representative of what they want as an. As a contributor on defense. A premier corner that does his job, doesn't do a bunch of talking, doesn't cause a bunch of drama, just shows up, performs, gets out the building. That's what they want. Right. I'm sure they'll allow somebody to have a little. Be a little mouthy, too, but yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

George Picket's on team, too.

[Travis]

Not cause. But not cause drama or. Or doing with it any kind of disrespect. And I'll say this, we've seen it as of last year, right behind the scenes, there is a disconnect between some players and coaches in challenging of power in front of the team.

[Isaiah Standback]

I think that's what we're watching.

[Travis]

And now this is this new regime. They're pretty much saying, yeah, we're not. We're not doing that anymore. Real quick, you can't do it on.

[Isaiah Standback]

I'll say this. I know we got to get to the next thing.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Calvin in the chat, he said they already paid Diggs. Pat. What did he have to be upset about? Why do they need to confess? Convince him to buy in. I'm just going to say this to you real quickly. Go back and look at the mic situation. Feelings. People will allow feelings to mess up the bag.

[Travis]

Yeah, for sure.

[Isaiah Standback]

So, and.

[Travis]

And I, And I say this. I think I said this on here. Losing Al Harris was the worst thing.

[Isaiah Standback]

That could have happened for Trayvon Air 5.

[Travis]

I think I said, it's a while back. As soon as we lost Al, I said, that's not.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We talked about that. I was like, for months. And then, of course, whenever it happened in Chicago, whenever that game happened and he's in Chicago, sure. That Was. That was a talking point.

[Travis]

It's losing Al. Al was a big brother. Yeah. Slash mentor, slash coach for the entire room. Yeah. But some guys need Al more than others.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Travis]

I'll put it that way. Yeah. Trayvon needs Al.

[Isaiah Standback]

He needs.

[Travis]

So the mental Nayshaan Wright needed out. Needed out. And now Nayshaan Wright is one of the better performing corners.

[Isaiah Standback]

So the mentor is gone. His bestie's gone.

[Travis]

Yep.

[Isaiah Standback]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And the coach that drafted him has gone to head coach.

[Isaiah Standback]

And. And the coach that's here, they're not jiving.

[Travis]

Nope.

[Isaiah Standback]

Okay.

[Travis]

Yeah. Who calls the place for him?

[Kyle Yeomans]

A lot of different things. Yeah. Defensive coordinates, both not. They're just not connected and not see eye to eye. So we'll see how that continues to develop. I know a lot of people are really painting Green Bay as a landing spot. I think that plays a factor. I think it's a different NFC north.

[Isaiah Standback]

Team that I was going to.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

I'm not going to say I think it would be, but just.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, I'll say it. It's Al Harris. Yeah. That's. Who's going to go get him. If.

[Isaiah Standback]

If I think Al makes a push for.

[Kyle Yeomans]

At some point in time, we'll see what the value is at some point and hopefully it all kind of subsides. And then he's back on the field and we'll see what happens.

[Travis]

They shot and be like, no.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right.

[Travis]

It's going so well. Gotta take our first break.

[Kyle Yeomans]

When we come back, we've got some QB vision. Cowboys offense taking on the Denver Broncos defense today. Not good, Isaiah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Not good.

[Travis]

Bob.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Uh oh. We're coming back with QB vision right after this.

[Travis]

I'm home.

[Isaiah Standback]

Hey, Mom. Before you ask, I've done my homework and the dishwasher's unloading. Nice. Hey, can you.

[Travis]

Hey, hon.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes, I've got the finale ready to play.

[Travis]

Here's your wine.

[Isaiah Standback]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Travis]

A promise to work hard and to build a future.

[Isaiah Standback]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Get the job done right.

[Isaiah Standback]

We're with you.

[Travis]

That's our promise to you.

[Isaiah Standback]

Because no matter the project or the challenge you're facing, we're with you.

[Travis]

We're united.

[Isaiah Standback]

How's it going? You see that Cowboys game? Oh, I watched. Been seeing some good things. Totally. They have some talent.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yup.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Some great talent.

[Isaiah Standback]

And they got some fight. Hoping this is the year. Me too. Oh, I'm Cody, by the way.

[Travis]

I'm Travis.

[Isaiah Standback]

Nice to meet you, Travis. Go Cowboys.

[Travis]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Travis]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Isaiah Standback]

Is that good?

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's very good.

[Isaiah Standback]

Sounds good.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Sounds good, Bob.

[Kyle Yeomans]

How about this though? Good on Good. The Broncos have the top four ranked scoring defense and total defense. 18 points per game, which is fourth in the league. 273 yards allowed on average, which is third in the league. So you got a top offense versus a top defense. Top defense. Which means this is going to be a top edition of Wide 80. Wide 80. It's time for QB Vision with Isaiah. Stand back.

[Travis]

All right, guys, week eight.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Here we go.

[Travis]

I'm gonna come off the top rope right now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Do it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't like already. Do that in the first second.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Superfly.

[Travis]

I don't like it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Say it with your chest. Wednesday.

[Travis]

I don't like this.

[Kyle Yeomans]

This.

[Travis]

Oh, I don't like this.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's not off the top rope. It feels like you're getting out of the ring.

[Travis]

I don't feel like you're Rolling up.

[Isaiah Standback]

You're rolling into the bottom rope.

[Travis]

They already rang the bell. Come on, get the tables. I am. Hey, D. The tables. I am excited to see what this offense is.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

What do you mean?

[Kyle Yeomans]

They're number one in the. In the league.

[Travis]

I am excited to see what this offense is versus a defense that can match up man to man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There you go.

[Isaiah Standback]

Okay.

[Travis]

This is going to be a challenge. I'm not saying that Dallas cannot overcome this challenge or meet this challenge. I'm just saying my bubble guts are bubbling.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, no.

[Travis]

Le Buble on a Wednesday like Pops on next Friday.

[Isaiah Standback]

Le Buble.

[Travis]

Stanley, if you don't get out my. Listen, these guys, they're nice. You can look at the stats and the stats will talk to. And I'll let the rest of my. My comrades speak on all the great analytics that Denver has. Just.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, we got a bunch of them.

[Travis]

Yeah, there's a bunch of them. I'll allow that. 3. Let's just talk about it in general because there's too many good players to start identifying individuals. Is they're that good? Good news. Good news. I don't know if you hit on this yet. You wanted. You want to tell people the good news?

[Isaiah Standback]

Dre Greenlaw.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Drake Greenlaw did a very stupid thing.

[Travis]

Really, really dumb.

[Isaiah Standback]

And he was slapped on the wrist, but with a one game suspension.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can he appeal that?

[Isaiah Standback]

He did appeal and it shot down the hell out of me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Travis]

Big, big dummy.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Travis]

If you saw the video, it was pretty good game. So when I'm gonna go curse out the referee.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah. And he appealed and shakes them down.

[Travis]

Ran him down. Leftist team that was celebrating.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Travis]

And went to go curse out the referee.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's unbelievable.

[Isaiah Standback]

So what? Yeah, he appealed and Big Rod said, you know, you can get the hell out of my office. So Dre Greenlaw will not be on the.

[Travis]

That is huge. Yeah, that is huge. And I can't understate that. Drake Greenlaw is one of the best linebackers in football.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But what sucks is that their depth is insane.

[Travis]

Stupid.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Insane. They have starters everywhere.

[Travis]

El Stupido. On paper, this team is amazing. We know about teams that look great on paper, but can they perform? Yes, they can. So on paper, it looked really good. And now in the game, it looks really good. This is a 3, 4 base defense. That means they have three down linemen, four linebackers, and they have the corners that can guard you man to man. They don't give a dog on what type of football you want to play. They don't give a Damn. They will meet you.

[Isaiah Standback]

All right.

[Travis]

They have all the shoes in the trunk. They'll pop the trunk and put on whatever they need. They got tennis shoes, they got cleats, they got spikes. They got whatever you need. They even got the dog on calf shoes that we wore back in the day. I don't even know if you guys want to talk about me players. I mean, I can go across the board. Yeah, go for it. Their whole D line. Zach Allen, nice. He's at the end position. D.J. jones, big nose tackle. This dude will put your center in the. In your lap as a quarterback. Franklin Myers, hard worker. Cooper, number zero, outside linebacker. Freaking motor out of this freaking world.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Power.

[Travis]

Yeah. Just. Oh, my goodness. The strong, the main guy, I guess you have to say, if you had to pick one, is Nick Bonito. Number 15, the defensive end who will be lined up over Tyler Guyton.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's a dog.

[Travis]

He's a freaking pit bull mixed with Rottweiler mixed with Kane Corso. Yes.

[Isaiah Standback]

Good grief, Charlie.

[Travis]

His get off just a monster is insane. If you run the same snap count, he will get it, understand it, predict it, and anticipate it. It. Every single time. There was plays that I was watching on the platform that I use, I could. I could literally filter out all whatever I'm looking for. So, like, for instance, they have 29 sacks. I said, let me watch every single sack. Nick Benito, at times was teams that run shotgun like Dallas. By the time the quarterback caught the ball and got his back foot set, Nick Bedino was 4 yards in the backfield.

[Isaiah Standback]

I don't like that.

[Travis]

Like, it's, it's. It is consistent. This isn't just. Okay. Every so often their DNS are getting up their outside linebacker, AKA DNS. They're up the field and then they're spinning back and then they're pressing your tackles. I mean, there's pressure, man. The entire defense plays with an edge. They play with speed. They play with a violence that starts from the inside defensive lineman all the way out to their rush. Outside linebacker slash DNS. Their corners are lanky. They're freaking long. Go go Gadget arms. Okay. Dawson, would you say yoga? Yeah, man. Listen, so I mean, they. Coverage wise, yeah. I mean, they're going to bring pressure. This is one of the highest pressure teams in the league and the way in which they bring pressure. Think about, you know, what everybody here in Dallas country loved about Mike Zimmer. Double A gap, right? Everybody lining up the line of scrimmage, who's coming, who's not coming. Defensive ends are really wide. They put a lot of stress on the communication and the responsibilities of your offensive lineman. If I'm a tackle, I'm gonna have two guys lined up outside of me. Which one am I turning to?

[Isaiah Standback]

Right.

[Travis]

If that. Now I have a defensive end who now crosses my face. I have to take him. Okay. Now I'm leaving the outside guy free to go run that dak. They do stuff like that all the time. Yeah, they screw with your responsibilities. Once they understand what your past blocking responsibilities are, they make it very difficult. Running backs, you got to keep your head on a swivel because you really don't know who's coming. You're, you're, you're. Your responsibility is going to go from the A gap guy walked up in a gap all the way to the guy who's three or four yards outside the defensive end. So they put a lot of stress on those guys in the past blocking scheme which don't allow them to get out to be outlet.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Travis]

The teams that have had success. I know you're a lot, A lot of people are going to hear me and say, oh, you're making it out like these guys are world beaters.

[Isaiah Standback]

Okay.

[Travis]

Yeah, they're really, they're really good.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can I, can I back up your point here with the analytics side? Because you're talking film here. I'm talking straight numbers. Broncos pass rush this year and where they rank in the NFL. Would you like to take a guess where they rank in terms of sacks?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Sacks 1.

[Travis]

1.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They're first. How about quarterback hits?

[Isaiah Standback]

1.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Also first. Quarterback pressures, 1. They're first. Sensing a trend here. Quarterback pressure percentage, number one. Players with three or more sacks, number one. Then you go to the individual stuff. Most quarterback hits in the league. Zach Allen leads with 18 out of anybody in the NFL.

[Travis]

Lineman, by the way.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that's. And then you've got Nick Benino with 17 that are right there at the top two in the league.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Crazy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They get after you.

[Isaiah Standback]

I'm looking at the advanced portion of that. This is next gen stats to back up. Kyle's point is backing up Isaiah's point.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Saying my stats aren't advanced.

[Isaiah Standback]

No, I'm saying they are. Let's advance the advance because I know that's from the Pakistan. So just next. Next gen shadows in next gen. 12.8% sack percentage, number one in the league. SEC EPA -54.9. Number one in the league by a large margin. Second place is the Rams at 49. Like you're five points higher than second place. They're going to get after you, Dak.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And to piggyback on when we're talking about depth, in terms of the trifecta, backup against the Giants, The Broncos had 13 different pass rushers generate pressure on Jackson.

[Isaiah Standback]

So it's coming everywhere.

[Kyle Yeomans]

13, 14 different passers play on the field, bro.

[Travis]

It's.

[Josh Rodriguez]

They're only 11, dude. What are you doing?

[Isaiah Standback]

Coming from everywhere except Dre Greenlaw.

[Travis]

It really, like, seriously, I say all this to say, okay, how can I pressure. They get after. Okay, so they get after the quarterback.

[Isaiah Standback]

And he got sacked. They're.

[Travis]

They're. They only have a handful of interceptions. Don't be encouraged by that. Okay. Don't be encouraged by that.

[Isaiah Standback]

Jeez.

[Travis]

This is probably. This is arguably the best secondary in the league. Arguably the best secondary league. They had arguably the best corner in the league.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He was defensive player of the year last year for a reason.

[Travis]

For a freaking reason, Pastor 10. The second their safeties just freaking. Brandon Jones is a lightning in a bottle. He's all over the pre can place. He can cover. He can cover. He'll come up and play your. Your, your slot if you want to. And then Telenoa Huanga freaking heat seeking Missile. Just.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't know how the Niners let him go, bro.

[Travis]

I don't know. He just think about Troy Palomalo reincarnated. That's what he is so physical. Like, seriously, like, he's. I'm not saying he's scared, but he's. He's. What's the best way of saying, I don't even know, bro?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Anyways, he's a dog.

[Travis]

He's a dog. He's 2.0 coverage wise. These guys want to play single high safety. They want to have a guy in the box. They will do a lot of invert, too. They'll still. They will. Oh, I'm gonna say the bad word. They will mess with Dak in terms of what the coverage is. You know what I was gonna say?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, we're used to on the show.

[Travis]

Yeah, exactly.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Travis]

I'll be definitely in the principles. It's difficult, man. I don't. I don't know where else to go with it. I'll let you guys back it up with stats. They're. They're. They're multiple in their looks. They're multiple with their guys. That could impact you. This is not a team where you can say, okay, I'm gonna shut down Josh Rodriguez and we're good. Yeah, Everybody.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yes.

[Travis]

And I mean. And I literally mean anybody. And Everybody can hurt you. The fact that Dre Greenlaw is not there is a freaking blessing. But trust and believe somebody's ready to step up.

[Josh Rodriguez]

They're all entirely capable. And again, looking at the stats here, they use man coverage at the highest rate of any team in the NFL. And the parody is real, guys. Two years ago, the Broncos got 70 points scored on them against the Miami Dolphins.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It is a much different story now. The Dolphins are drowning, and the Broncos are one of the most feared defenses in the NFL currently. It. It's insane. The turnaround that. The.

[Travis]

What I got the personnel. They went out and got all their.

[Josh Rodriguez]

They got their guys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And that's the thing, is a lot of these names are familiar because they were successful in other places. And of course, San Francisco had a couple of those guys that have played well. DJ Jones and Hufanga. And those guys.

[Travis]

Green Law, Greenwall.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Jesus, the forgot about him.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Travis]

So you got to go pay your quarterback.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You don't got to worry about him this week. It's all good.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm taking him. I'm taking him. I'm taking him.

[Isaiah Standback]

Give me.

[Travis]

Give me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who deserves the credit? Because, I mean, of course, you've got the GM there in George Patton who helped put this all together, but you've got Sean Payton as the head coach. You've got Vance Joseph as the defensive coordinator for turning that all around from two years ago where they were getting 70 burgers put on them. Now it's one of the best defenses, if not the best defense, for them.

[Josh Rodriguez]

To stick with Vance after as a head coach. And then I think he leaves for a year, comes back, and then they stick with him after Sean Baten comes back. Oh, yeah, he was fired. He was probably fired. Yeah, it was. It was a bad season.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Unless they played the Cowboys for whatever reason that was. That was rough.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That was Vic Fangio.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, exactly. But to see him come back and them stick with Vance.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And Sean Payton have that trust in them to rebuild this defense to becoming again, like I said, one of the most feared defenses currently in the NFL. It's amazing.

[Isaiah Standback]

I tell you what, I'm just flat out excited to see this match and for every reason that we're all saying. Because just. Just understand the Broncos are just damn good at playing defense at all three levels, and they're also fantastic at. At just redirecting the quarterback's eyes and misdirection pre play and at the snap and whatnot. But then keep in mind the personnel. So a lot of people are going to look at the secondary, and like you said, they have a damn good secondary. But most people are saying, well, all. All they have is Patrick. So Chan. No, sir. No, sir. Let me tell you about this Riley Moss guy, okay? Teams throw away from certain because teams are not dumb. You throw away from certain, but when you're doing that, more often than not, who you're throwing at. Riley Moss. So Riley Moss has been targeted 20, a little over 20% of the time. That's fourth highest rate in the entire league for anyone with at least 100 snaps. Okay? Now, Ross Moss has allowed a completion percentage of only 42 and a half, let's say 43% in coverage. That's the second lowest of any defender in the league. So you're throwing away from certain, which is smart. But don't sleep on Riley Moss's ability to stay in the hip pocket of your receiver. But this is why I'm excited about it, though, because like you mentioned, both at the top of this segment, this is the unstoppable, unstoppable force meets the immovable object type situation.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Quite literally.

[Isaiah Standback]

This is certain. And Moss versus C.D. lamb and George Pickens with an MVP candidate in Dak Prescott throwing them the ball and a release valve in the seam with Jake Ferguson. They have linebackers who can play.

[Travis]

Yes.

[Isaiah Standback]

Like, this is going to be fun.

[Travis]

I want to give a couple more things.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The reason why we do it on the other side of the brick.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, let's take our second break. Isaiah's coming back with a couple more things.

[Isaiah Standback]

Fun. How's it going? You see that Cowboys game?

[Travis]

Oh, I watched.

[Isaiah Standback]

Been seeing some good things. Totally. They have some talent.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yup.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Some great talent.

[Isaiah Standback]

And they got some fight. Hoping this is the year. Me too. Oh, I'm Cody, by the way.

[Travis]

I'm Travis.

[Isaiah Standback]

Nice to meet you, Travis. Go Cowboys.

[Travis]

Go Cowboys. Make a new friend based solely on their shirt choice. What would you like the power to do?

[Isaiah Standback]

Bank of America.

[Travis]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Travis]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Travis]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Back to Talking Cowboys Back here on Talking Cowboys, of course. This segment is brought to you by Invisalign, the official smile of the Dallas Cowboys. We're all smiling because we've got Patrick Nosi Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeomans. Isaiah, you had more to add on QB vision. Talking about the number one offense in the league taking on quite possibly the number one defense overall.

[Travis]

And I know people in the comments have said that we're glazing these guys. We are. We are. You might want to respect them. Turn on the film if you guys have. Everybody has. I'm not glazing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm not using anybody's turn.

[Travis]

Pouring all the glaze. Cuz you better understand exactly who the.

[Isaiah Standback]

Heck you're dealing with. But respect them because they're damn good.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Offensively you shouldn't be surprised on Sunday.

[Travis]

Yeah. So defensively, sorry. Defensively they only have a handful of of interceptions because they're so sticky on defense with the glaze that quarterbacks are not throwing the ball at the same time. They're not throwing it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Pause.

[Travis]

Right. They're not throwing it when under pressure because the pressure is getting there so fast. They're taking sacks. So the reason why they're so high statistically in terms of sacks and so low in terms of interceptions is because the quarterbacks are under duress immediately. Yes. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, you've got your question.

[Isaiah Standback]

Hey, yay, Patrick, here's. Here's what bodes well for the Cowboys against what you just said.

[Travis]

Please do.

[Isaiah Standback]

Dak Prescott gets the ball out real quick.

[Travis]

Absolutely.

[Isaiah Standback]

Absolutely. He gets the ball out real quick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And he's got multiple options.

[Isaiah Standback]

And he's got multiple options. Left, right, middle, multiple options. This is also going to be a key game. Let's just go ahead and say it. This needs to be the Javon Javante Williams revenge. Yes, we believe in Javante. Javante Williams needs to absolutely go off in this game. That will neutralize or at least help to neutralize the insane pass rush that we know that the Denver Broncos have. That will also keep the corners playing honest because they're going to have to play and run defense and run support. So that's going to wear them down a little bit. And then you have to figure out play action at that point because now you have to respect it. And once you respect it, what is Dak Prescott really good at?

[Travis]

Really going to play.

[Isaiah Standback]

Okay, so between the time to throw that Dak Prescott excels in, and if Javante Williams can have a revenge game. Okay. Or even just you saying it again.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So I can clap this time.

[Isaiah Standback]

Which one?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Say his name. Oh, and he appears, I believe, in Javante.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Got it that time.

[Isaiah Standback]

There we go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So let me get a song going so if we could add it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We got a song for you.

[Isaiah Standback]

I will say the Cowboys have. They do have the personnel to combat at this.

[Travis]

The touchdowns that Denver has given up in the passing game have all. I don't say all. 80% of them have occurred on their linebackers. So understand that underneath coverage, if you can get guys out mainly outside the numbers, is where these things have occurred. As I went back and watched their touchdowns that they gave up underneath coverage, outside the numbers, beating them across the formation. That's where they have lost in terms of their touchdowns.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And Dallas has been very good at that throughout the season because of the weapons that they have and how they utilize those weapons, too. So there's a chance to get some success and get some production defense.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Get yourself.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Get yourself just curious. Are you guys worried at all that they might have the. I think they do. Do you think that they have the ability to take away CD Lamb or George Pigs in this game?

[Travis]

I think it's going to be. This would be the most difficult both for both of those guys or one or the other. Well, the thing is, you're going to have to take risks. So if you're going to, like, try to get the ball to those guys, you got to shoot it. You got to take your shot. It's gonna be 50, 50 balls.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Travis]

Are you willing to do a 50, 50 ball versus what they have out there?

[Kyle Yeomans]

And they're gonna go, man. And the answer is yeah, right.

[Travis]

You believe in your guys? The answer is yes, but it still is a 50, 50 ball. And I want to emphasize that. So the biggest thing to you guys point. If you can get the run game going, then all the misdirection, that shoddy bodes well. And if you can get misdirection going, then you. These guys have to hit their brakes. They have to hit their e braes. They can't come and get after your quarterback because they are now responsible for.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Their guys getting out. CD Lamb Pickens probably each have 50 yards or more in this game. If Javante Williams establishes the run early, if they're able to get it going in the initial part. You look at what Dak Prescott has done this season, and really over the last four weeks, he's has. He's had four straight games with three passing touchdowns, no interceptions in the same game. Four straight weeks. That's the second longest streak since the NFL merger. Only behind Russell Wilson back in 2015, who had five games in a row. But you look at the teams that they played in those four games, Green Bay. Defensively, that's probably the toughest task over the four games because they. Then they played the jets, the Panthers and the commanders in those four games. This is a different animal. Yes, completely.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's a Bronco.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And I think.

[Isaiah Standback]

That was.

[Travis]

I'm sorry.

[Isaiah Standback]

That was damn good.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Rather than a Panther.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, yeah. It is a different.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's funny.

[Travis]

It is a Bronco animal.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It is a Bronco.

[Isaiah Standback]

That's too good.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That is too good. But now I'm all thrown off with all that being said. I don't know if he's going to have that same level of efficiency because they do man up so well on the outside. Because he's going to have interior defensive line pressure in this game.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's going to come from the edge. It's going to be on the inside. It's going to happen either way. There's going to be interior pressure forced by Denver, and that's going to challenge Dak Prescott. There's going to be a mistake at some point in the game.

[Travis]

And before we get out of here. The one thing that we have to. We have not addressed because everybody's going to have an argument against it. Well, how did the Giants do so well against him? They made plays. They made a lot of plays. Like some of the most contested catches that you can ever imagine. Jackson dart threw it up there and his guys went and got the freaking ball. These were not high percentage passes.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And Scatter Boo was not afraid either.

[Travis]

Afraid either. Like, scatter again. Going across the formation. Scatter Boo got it right. Talking about screenplays and things of that nature, you can use their aggressiveness against them, but you have to be in position to be a threat in that regard.

[Isaiah Standback]

The good thing is you have the personnel to do exactly what you just said the Giants did. You have guys who can make the plays, get the 50, 50 balls, and you have a running back who not necessarily scatterble, but Javante is a bully, dude and juggernaut, and he's going in there. And this is the same Broncos team that didn't feel that he had anything left.

[Travis]

Say it again. Should he set him here?

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Should we believe in Javante?

[Travis]

We believe in Javante.

[Isaiah Standback]

So, yes, Javante Williams, go have yourself a day and everything else will play off of that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I can't wait.

[Travis]

I think.

[Isaiah Standback]

I think this is edge to the Cowboys for me in this one.

[Travis]

Wow.

[Isaiah Standback]

Edge to the Cowboys. Everything we're saying is 100% true about the Broncos. This is going to be the Cowboys biggest test of the season. But if Javante can do what he wants to do, everything plays off of that, I think.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And we'll preview, of course, The Dallas defense vs. Bo Nixon the aisle. I know.

[Isaiah Standback]

That's what I'm saying. The edge right now. Cowboys offense versus Broncos defense. Slight edge to Cowboys offense. We'll talk about the other.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I was about to say, if you have a chance, if you have a chance in this game, the Cowboys need to have the edge in this matchup. Specifically the offense versus the Tim Brown Broncos defense. You guys are great. If you know, you know. All right, we're gonna get out of here. On talking Cowboys. Thanks for joining us. Hope you had some fun.

[Travis]

For those that don't know, for those.

[Isaiah Standback]

That don't know, say his name.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I hope you had some fun over the the last 45 minutes. We'll be back tomorrow. We're gonna preview the Dallas defense against Bo Nicks, Portland Sutton and J.K. dobbins. That Denver Broncos offense tomorrow. That'll be an interesting matchup as well. For Patrick. No see Walker, for Josh Rodriguez Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans saying so long from talking Cowboys. We'll see you tomorrow. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. How about this, Cowboys?

[Travis]

Are you fumbling when it comes to getting a confident clean to your end zone, make the right play, call an.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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