Talkin’ Cowboys: Digging Into Trevon Drama

Summary

Talkin' Cowboys: Digging Into Trevon Drama

Podcast: Talkin' Cowboys (Dallas Cowboys)
Date: December 17, 2025
Hosts: Kyle Yeomans, Isaiah Standback, Patrick “Nosee” Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Chris Beam (Producer)

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Episode Overview

This Wednesday edition of Talkin’ Cowboys dives deep into the ongoing saga surrounding cornerback Trevon Diggs and his complicated relationship with the Dallas Cowboys’ front office and coaching staff. The crew breaks down the public disconnect between Diggs and management, speculation about his future, the nuances of his injury status, and broader implications for the team’s culture and future roster moves.
The episode also features the regular QB Vision segment—scouting the upcoming Chargers matchup—and a lively fan Q&A session.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Injury Updates & Roster Notes

[05:41] Injury Review

• Quinn Williams, Hunter Lipke: Both in concussion protocol after the Vikings game; status for practice and the game is uncertain.
• Javonte Williams: Had a stinger (shoulder), returned to play, not expected to miss Sunday but will be monitored in practice.
• Tyler Guyton: Working through an ankle sprain, progress is inconsistent, status to be monitored.
• Nate Thomas: Left last game with injury, TBD for the week.

“Just like CeeDee Lamb last week, concussion protocol is its own thing. So, you know, optimism… We just, we don’t know yet.” —Chris Beam [06:07]

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2. The Trevon Diggs Drama: Timeline & Tension

[08:39] The Soap Opera Begins

• November 30: Diggs’ practice window opens, but he doesn’t play (said to be a “game-time decision” vs. Detroit).
• Confusing Injury Narrative: Initially a concussion, then knee issues, then further complications (“shoulder bone’s connected to the ankle bone…”), muddying the water on his true health status.
• Diggs in the Media:
  • Publicly claimed he’s “ready” and “healthy” but unclear why he hasn’t been activated.
  • Diggs: “You got to ask them.” When pressed, doubled/tripled down on his health and readiness.
  • Expressed strong desire to remain a Cowboy: “Absolutely, I love it here in Dallas.”
• Front Office Response:
  • Jerry Jones: Contradicts Diggs publicly, citing his lack of health—sparking clear discrepancy.
  • Schottenheimer: Avoids citing health, emphasizes need for “consistency” and “standards” in practice.

[12:30] Locker Room Disconnect

• Diggs after being inactive:
  • "From the first conversation that we… he and Brian Schottenheimer had, it was about practice, I guess. I wasn’t showing them what they wanted to see in practice this week. I showed them what they wanted to see in practice, and it’s still the same result. I don’t know what else I need to do or what to show at this point. I feel like it’s not even up to me or what I do. It’s really up to them and what they want to do. I’m just showing up every day and going to work.” [12:05]

[13:28] Culture Clash & Locker Room Fallout

• “Somebody's not happy with somebody.” —Kyle Yeomans
• “Two sides of the same coin, different languages… It's just been a complete disconnect… This relationship has not been perfect since the offseason.” —Kyle Yeomans [13:41]
• Isaiah and Patrick dig into off-field issues: Alleged lack of “attentiveness” at training camp, missed offseason workouts/fines, signs of disengagement, and involvement as “hype man” for former teammate Micah Parsons’ off-field drama.

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3. Is This the End for Diggs in Dallas?

[15:32] “Slow Breakup” Theory

• Insights from Isaiah Standback:
  • “This is a slow breakup… I perceive this to be a slow breakup. I can’t say what it is. I just know that I’ve seen this story.” [17:46]
  • Cites concerns about Diggs’ attitude and commitment since training camp.
• Financial/Contract analysis:
  • Commitment for this year (2025) only; “Nothing guaranteed next year… After June 1st, that's the best time if you're going to sever this relationship” due to cap implications.
• Trade value:
  • “If you cut him pre-June 1st… you eat $17.3M… If you cut him post (-June 1st), it’s $11.5M. This is why it’s a slow breakup.” —Kyle Yeomans [17:46]
  • Likelihood of trade return is low (“maybe a 6th or 7th rounder”). Teams likely to wait for a cut.

[18:33] Should They Still Play Him?

• Consensus: Risk outweighs reward; team worried about injury liability before a potential cut/trade.
• “If he gets hurt now, you have to pay him out for the amount of time that is going to take him to get healthy.” —Isaiah Standback [20:09]

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4. Team Identity, Culture, & Defensive Direction

[19:52] Attempts to Set a New Tone

• Panel debates if team would overlook Diggs’ issues if his play were elite. General sentiment: Maybe in the past, not with current “regime.”
• “They're trying to set a precedent, and it's been set already. I think if his play was fine, this would not be as big.” —Kyle Yeomans [19:08]

[44:51+] Coaching Evaluation

• Matt Eberflus (DC): Under review for next season; decision hinges on next three games.
• Player input: Discussion on whether key players should have a voice in coaching review.
  • “If I'm the head coach, I would just sit them all down in the room… and say, 'Hey, speak freely. What do you think went wrong? … What would you like to see going forward?’” —Chris Beam [48:48]
• Dan Quinn Era compared favorably, cited for listening to player input.

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5. QB Vision: Scouting the Chargers Defense

[27:01] Isaiah Standback’s Breakdown

• Chargers defense is “the best unit you’ve faced all year. Defensively.” —Isaiah Standback [27:07]

• Team Philosophy:

  • Not just about talent, but “plays as one, solid, disciplined defensive unit.”
  • “Nobody's trying to be a superhero. They trust the scheme and they will hit you in your mouth… In your whole mouth.” [28:25]

• Defensive Stats:

  • 4th in completion percentage allowed
  • 3rd in passing yards allowed per game
  • 1st in TD-to-INT ratio (12 TDs, 17 INTs allowed through 16 weeks)
  • 1st in opposing passer rating (71 avg.)
  • 5th in league in sacks (3 per game)

• Notable Players:

  • Khalil Mack (EDGE): “Still a Decepticon… dude, dog… reason why they let Bosa walk.”
  • Daiyan Henley (#0, LB): “Freakin’ thumper... makes plays.”
  • Denzel Perryman (#6, LB); Tuli Tuipulotu (#45, LB): Strong at the second level.
  • Derwin James (S): “Franchise defensive player. One of the best safeties/nickelbacks… in a very long time.”
  • Tony Jefferson (S): “Preseason legend… ballhawk… don't throw the ball his way.” [35:47]

• Scheme & Approach:

  • Base: Two-high shell, will mix single-high, zone and sticky man coverage.
  • Corners “aren't world beaters, but they are sticky… will contest absolutely everything.”
  • Blitz rate is moderate; typically wins with front four.

• Game Plan Advice:

  • “How do you beat them? Run the ball. Regardless of the fact that we have really good receivers, run the ball.” —Isaiah Standback [34:08]
  • O-line concerns: Cowboys allowed 41 pressures in last two weeks. Chargers generated 21 vs. Chiefs, 17 with just a four-man rush.

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6. Notable Fan Call-Ins & Q&A

The episode closes with a spirited call-in segment, including birthday wishes for caller Mike, debate on draft priorities, and a holiday message from Cynthia in Laredo.
[42:11 – End]

• Mike (New York): Advocates for all-defense draft. Hosts counter, saying offensive line and other areas need fixing too; defense is better than “terrible,” but not “good yet.”
• Discussion of Matt Eberflus’ future—team mulling benchmarks for keeping him into next season.
• Hoodie Kush: Asks about Antonio Pierce as a DC (hosts are skeptical, would want more research).
• Draft Strategy: Should the Cowboys trade back with their late first-rounder?
  • “If there’s a dude there, just stick and pick the player… You’ve got two first round picks for the first time in what, 14 years?” —Kyle Yeomans [51:14]
• Cynthia (Laredo): Shares Christmas wishes, asks which player hosts would like to see play that hasn’t yet. Isaiah and the crew shout out specific depth players.

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Select Memorable Quotes with Timestamps

• [12:05] Trevon Diggs:

  • “I don't know what else I need to do or what to show at this point. I feel like it's not even up to me or what I do. It's really up to them and what they want to do. I'm just showing up every day and going to work.”

• [13:39] Kyle Yeomans:

  • “We're hearing two sides of the same story, but they're sounding wildly different.”

• [14:26] Isaiah Standback:

  • “This is a slow breakup. I can't say what it is. I just know that I've seen this story.”

• [15:32] Isaiah Standback:

  • “There were other things that we saw at training camp in regards to Trayvon's lack of attentiveness...very concerning to me.”

• [19:08] Kyle Yeomans:

  • “They're trying to set a precedent, and it's been set already. I think if his play was fine, this would not be as big.”

• [27:07] Isaiah Standback:

  • “This is the best unit you faced all year. Defensively...They play as one. Solid, disciplined defensive unit.”

• [34:08] Isaiah Standback:

  • “How do you beat them? Run the ball…Regardless of the fact that we have really good receivers, run the ball.”

• [48:48] Chris Beam:

  • “I would just sit them all down in the room, just them and the head coach, and say, ‘Hey, speak freely. What do you think went wrong?’”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [05:41] – Injury Updates
• [08:39] – Trayvon Diggs Drama Breakdown
• [12:05] – Diggs’ Post-Game Comments
• [13:39] – Internal Disconnect & Culture Issues
• [15:32] – "Slow Breakup" Analysis
• [17:46] – Salary Cap/Contract Deep-Dive
• [19:52] – Should Diggs Still Play? Risk/Reward for Cowboys
• [27:01] – QB Vision: Chargers Defensive Scouting Report
• [34:08] – How the Cowboys Should Attack Chargers
• [42:11] – Call-in Segment Begins: Fan Q&A

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Tone & Style

The crew balances sharp analysis with playful banter and candid insight, often mixing in humor and inside jokes but always circling back to honest, sometimes critical, football conversation. They keep the discussion accessible for diehard fans but loaded with enough detail and cap/contract analysis to challenge even savvy followers of the franchise.

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Summary Takeaways

• Trevon Diggs’ future in Dallas is deeply uncertain—the “slow breakup” is likely, based not only on contract structure but clear rifts in trust and culture.
• The Chargers defense presents the Cowboys’ most complete and disciplined opponent of the season, emphasizing the need for a strong ground game and O-line improvement.
• The team is in a period of redefinition, especially on defense, with player input and coaching reviews (notably for Matt Eberflus) likely shaping the direction for 2026.
• Fan frustration is palpable, but so is an appetite for honest evaluation and hope for a more unified, effective Cowboys culture.

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For anyone who missed the episode, this summary captures the full arc of the Diggs storyline, the schematic challenge of the upcoming Chargers matchup, and the swirling questions of identity and leadership facing the Cowboys as the season nears its conclusion.

Transcript

[Isaiah Standback]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Talking Cowboys streaming live from the Dallas Cowboys world world headquarters at.

[Chris Beam]

The Star in Frisco.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And now your hosts, Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans. It's a wonderful Wednesday edition of Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle coffee company live from the Star in Frisco, Texas in the studio. Welcome in, everybody. We've got the whole cast and crew ready for you to rock today with Patrick no see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman. So glad you're with us. We are going into week 16 of the Cowboys 2025 season as they take on the Los Angeles Chargers this week. Today we've got some QB vision. Plus we got a double feature for you today. It's QB vision and we're gonna take some phone calls.

[Chris Beam]

Call me now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

888-855-2297. Now, you might not want to call it right now. You're gonna be on the line for a hot minute. Cause we're gonna take them in the last second. Dropping bars after QB vision. So chill out for a second and then we'll get the phone lines rocking. 888-855-2297. I'll give you the number a little bit later on as well.

[Isaiah Standback]

Don't use your anytime minutes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, don't do that. That dialogue.

[Chris Beam]

Whose voice is tough was that? Whose voice did he just do?

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

What was the cup of coffee in the big time?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, oh, oh. Macho Man Savage.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, we're making progress, Randy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Macho Man Savage, right?

[Chris Beam]

Making progress.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

Let's go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I was trying to remember what the first name was. Randy.

[Isaiah Standback]

Randy.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

As long as I got macho. Macho Man Randy Savage.

[Chris Beam]

QB vision. Coming up. Dallas Cowboys did come.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I've. I told Josh this off the air.

[Isaiah Standback]

But the you got a tweak like.

[Kyle Yeomans]

From the moment that we've had that conversation, and I was like, I don't.

[Chris Beam]

Know who that is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I've seen him everywhere.

[Chris Beam]

Good.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I even went to a gas station, and there was like, I don't.

[Isaiah Standback]

Slim Jim.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, yeah, but they're not a sponsor, so. But there was a meat stick. A meat stick, like, display, and it was just him with all of them.

[Isaiah Standback]

It was a display of what?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Of. Of the. The beef sticks that you eat for a snack while protein ago.

[Chris Beam]

I can't go for that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Randy Macho Man Savage was on that display.

[Chris Beam]

He's always just.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I just did.

[Chris Beam]

That's what we were saying. Like, he's always been everywhere.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, now. Now I've seen it down now.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm like a proud stick now. What was that?

[Isaiah Standback]

Stop. Dude.

[Chris Beam]

Just.

[Isaiah Standback]

I just want to recap. There's a lot going on here.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Just try not to give sponsorship money away. That's all I'm trying to do. But the. I feel like a proud father trying to get into, like, the interests of those around you, you know, like, oh, like, are you winning kids, like, having fun.

[Isaiah Standback]

Who was your. Who's a wrestler growing up? When you were growing up, who was the main.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean, like, the Rock and John Cena were, like, the two guys that I knew.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Of different eras, too. So you were sort of, like, in between.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A little bit in between her tweener. I mean, I also, like, didn't pay attention to wrestling at all.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's, like, it was not. I was collecting baseball cards and NASCAR race cars, and that's.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

But I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Kyle would be an excellent color commentator for wwe.

[Isaiah Standback]

He would be, like, for.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

For pro wrestling, and he would be a good heel commentator.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, yeah.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You can, like. Like, you stir the pot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chris Beam]

Love.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Get him out of here.

[Isaiah Standback]

Let's do it. Let's. Let's send in a little tape, huh?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. You want to do, like, a mock tape?

[Isaiah Standback]

We'll go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Go find, like, a random.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

I think Isaiah knows a guy.

[Isaiah Standback]

I know. I know some guys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Always knows a guy.

[Isaiah Standback]

Hey, Beamer, who is your favorite wrestler? Catch him off guard.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The. The chat is blowing up about the. The meat stick.

[Isaiah Standback]

They think it's very.

[Chris Beam]

I said nothing.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

If he wants to say it. Sponsor the Dallas Cowboys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that's my thing. Sorry.

[Isaiah Standback]

Until then, beef stick, Kyle's favorite snack.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can we, for the love of God, get in the news and notes?

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Patrick, Talking Cowboy starts at 904, baby.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yes.

[Chris Beam]

We can he seen it. Till then, you get the beast. Oh, we are so back.

[Isaiah Standback]

You can't give us a Tuesday off.

[Chris Beam]

Man, what the heck?

[Isaiah Standback]

This is terrible.

[Chris Beam]

First and foremost, news and notes since there's. It's not much reporting on from the injury front. So we'll just leave with that and we'll. Then we'll get to the, to the drama.

[Isaiah Standback]

That's news.

[Chris Beam]

It's a good thing clap yet because one of the people that you're concerned about is Quinn Williams. So Quinn and Williams and Hunter Lipke both are in concussion protocol. Notice your clap stopped. Okay. They are both in concussion protocol. Suffered a concussion in the loss to the Minnesota Vikings. Brian Schottenheimer, when asked about it the next day, he confirmed that they were still in protocol. We don't know as of yet if they will practice. Practice this week or today. Today being Wednesday, the first day for practice to prep for the Los Angeles Chargers, there's obviously a chance that neither take the field. The biggest of the two hits if they can't take the field will be obviously Quinn Williams. So we'll see. Just like CD Lamb last week, concussion protocol is its own thing. So, you know, optimism. We just, we don't know yet. We don't know yet. So we'll see. So that's really on the injury front. Those are the only two guys that really came out. So Javante Williams, he was dealing with the shoulder injury, but it was described as a stinger and that's why it took a while for him to get back into the game. They were waiting for it to kind of calm down, so to speak. And eventually it did. He went back out there and those.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Are kind of a case by case basis.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, but he went back up and he played very well. I don't anticipate. It's probably something if he has some residual effects from it, it might impact him practice wise this week. I don't see it keeping him out of the game on Sunday, but something to keep an eye on. But those are the top guys that you're, you're looking at from an injury front.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

I mean, talking about Randy Macho man, then. Gotta lead into the stinger, of course.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, I, I also forgot Stone Cold Steve Austin. Go North Texas.

[Isaiah Standback]

Did you get that reference there?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I did.

[Chris Beam]

Because good Lord, that's goodness.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I was trying to move on to Stone Cold.

[Chris Beam]

Oh, and we forgot about that. If popped my head. We'll see if Tyler Guyton makes any progress this week. You know, they're, they're speaking optimistically about that, I will say that I spoke with Tyler Guy and, and I've been speaking with him throughout the eye, throughout this process. And as it's been described to me, he has, he's just, he's working through it. He'll have a couple of good days and then he'll have a day where it's just really flaring up on him. The ankle sprain, I'm speaking of. So we'll see if he makes any progress this week and he can get back on the field to that point. We'll see if Nate Thomas can get back on the field. Nate Thomas left the game with injury as, so today's injury report, you have Quinn Williams as the headliner. Tyler Guyton, we'll see if he can make progress. And then you got Hunter Lipkin concussion protocol, and we'll see if devonte Williams does much in practice at all.

[Isaiah Standback]

I rescinded my clap.

[Chris Beam]

I told you to hold off on that.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Once you've got it.

[Isaiah Standback]

No, I rescinded it, sir. Don't like that.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

It's not, I don't, it's not that easy to get rid of.

[Isaiah Standback]

I don't like that report.

[Chris Beam]

That's why you don't want to taint it. So, yeah, speaking of injuries, Trayvon Diggs.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So let's talk about it.

[Chris Beam]

Let's talk about it. Man, I wish, I wish Beamer had the Sounder and we could use it for like the Young and the Restless theme song. Because this, yeah, this is just a soap opera, man, like Young and a Restless guy and Light, Bold and the Beautiful. It's all of that, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The first thing I was surprised about post game because of course we're doing our pregame or our post game coverage outside of the locker room as the locker room interviews are going on. So I had no idea who was speaking and I never do who is speaking in the locker room because that's what the rest of the media team is doing while we're on tv. I got home, sat down, rewatched the game. And as I was rewatching the game, I was looking up like sound bites and quotes and whatever. Trayvon Diggs popped up. He spoke after the game, which is wild for a guy coming off of iron that, of course, has been ridiculed and criticized for not being available. He was available to the media, which I thought was after a loss. After a loss, which was weird. And that's, that's one of the elements of this soap opera that I just found, like a little off.

[Chris Beam]

Quick recap of the past. Of the past week. Yeah, past two weeks. Let's just say past two weeks. So Trayvon Diggs began his practice window on November 30th, just ahead of the Thursday night game against the Detroit Lions. He did not play even though all signs were that he would. It was said after the game that it was a gametime decision. Okay. If it was a game time decision against Detroit, should have been better odds to take the. Against the Minnesota. So the Vikings, right?

[Isaiah Standback]

Or what injury again?

[Chris Beam]

The knee. Allegedly. So got you going into the game against the Minnesota Vikings. We, the media spoke with Trayvon Diggs, thought it was a hit and then it went to. Well, first it was the concussion and then it was. Then it became the knee and then the shoulder bones connected to the ankle bone.

[Isaiah Standback]

Got you just, just trying to follow.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, yeah, stop because.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Just stop following.

[Chris Beam]

You know it's cuz he went on.

[Isaiah Standback]

IR for the concussion.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

No, no, it was ir.

[Isaiah Standback]

He went on IR for the knee.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Trayvon D. Trayvon Diggs said last week, and I quote, I'm ready. And then he was asked, is there a reason that he has hadn't at that time yet been activated to the 53 man roster? His response was, you got all shoulders, you got to ask them. So then we told him, we said, we, we did ask them. He said, well, what they say? And we told him that. They said we'll see and now we're asking you. And he said, well, okay. And then he was asked the question about does he want to remain in Dallas. And he said, absolutely, I love it here in Dallas. You know, so forth and so on. Now fast forward to Sunday's game and he's made inactive. A little bit of a shock there. Okay, fast forward to the end of that game. Now you have Jerry Jones, owner and general manager of the Dallas Cowboys saying, and I quote, he isn't healthy enough. A little bit of a discrepancy there.

[Isaiah Standback]

Between the player saying that he's good.

[Chris Beam]

Players saying he's good multiple times. Right.

[Isaiah Standback]

Is right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Double down on it.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah. Triple even.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

Now what I will say also what makes this even more strange is Schottenheimer going into the Lions game, going into the Vikings game, he never once specified health was an issue. He said words like consistency was needed. He said that, you know, he needed to see certain things standard wise throughout the totality of practice, but he never said health. Okay. Which led us all to believe, rightfully so, that Trayvon Diggs is right in saying that he's ready and he's healthy. But maybe it was a culture thing, and Shoddy was saying, we need to see this and this and this from you. Okay? So I say that to add color to the commentary of Jerry Jones blatantly saying he isn't healthy enough. Okay. That happened almost simultaneously with Trayvon Diggs in the locker room saying the following. From the first conversation that we. He and Brian Schottenheimer had, it was prac. It was about practice, I guess. I wasn't showing them what they wanted to see in practice this week. I showed them what they wanted to see in practice, and it's still the same result. I don't know what else I need to do or what to show at this point. I feel like it's not even up to me or what I do. It's really up to them and what they want to do. I'm just showing up every day and going to work. Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Somebody's not happy with somebody.

[Chris Beam]

Somebody's not happy with somebody. And that's where we are.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We're. We're hearing two sides of the same story, but they're sounding wildly different.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

But they're different currencies.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Two sides of the same coin, different languages. It's been. Yeah, it's just been a complete disconnect from what it had been previously, which is not un. Like, that's not new news. We've kind of talked about this over the last few weeks. This relationship has not been perfect since the offseason. Isaiah went into it a little bit a couple days back. So where do we go from here? It's up to this weekend.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Right.

[Chris Beam]

They have to activate him to IR before Sunday.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Or he's done.

[Chris Beam]

Or he's done for the year.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

T minus four days until the conclusion of this story, most likely.

[Isaiah Standback]

Maybe. Let's go around the table, huh? How many people think that he's going to be playing?

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

No.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah. Yeah. This is a slow breakup.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

I told you guys. When. When Micah got traded, what did I say? I said, who was put on notice?

[Chris Beam]

You said Diggs.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, I said Diggs was put on notice. Yeah, Right. That was a he.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And others.

[Isaiah Standback]

And others. Right. But specifically Diggs, who was real tight. He was the background dancer to Micah Parsons. Let's call it what it is. Right. You saw Micah. You saw. You saw Trayvon Diggs in the background. Yeah. Of every interview. He was his hype man.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

He's Tito.

[Isaiah Standback]

Tito, Right. I mean, call it what it is. I mean, he's his own person. Right. But he was. He Was a. He was a. He was a voice in the background. He was noise in the background of the whole Micah situation. That was coupled on. That was on top of all they.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Were taking like interviews together.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yes. He was signing solidarity, signing, signing signs at. At training camp of people saying that pay Micah. Like, it was a lot. It was a lot of extra going on. There were other things that we saw at training camp in regards to Trayvon's lack of attentiveness as well, I'll put it that way, that were very concerning. Very concerning to me.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

And he missed all the off season workouts and decided to do his own thing. It was fine for that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was mad at getting fined for that.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Got mad at getting fined for that.

[Isaiah Standback]

And I could.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Is very black and white in his contract.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, like. And we said that on the show. It's like, why are you getting mad? It's in the contract.

[Isaiah Standback]

There was one thing that I saw at training camp that I told Kyle. I said he needs personally not okay. Not okay. Shouldn't probably shouldn't be a part of what's going on this season. From the one thing, the one thing that I saw, I. Yeah, I. Not speculating. Not that I saw in regards to the disregard of commitment to your. To, to your team, to your organization, to your teammates. The disconnect was there at training camp. It's about third week of training camp. Maybe somewhere around there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was the second.

[Isaiah Standback]

Second week.

[Chris Beam]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like I was like this week I was pretty early.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

They might wanna. They might want to look at other options. Nothing against his playing all about whether or not he fits his culture. And at that time I had. I had great concerns. And it's only gotten worse. It's only gotten worse. And now you're in a position. You guys are the salary cap masters. You're in a position where it's like, it only makes sense now after June 1st, right. Financially. After June 1st financially. Now that's the best time if you're going to sever this relationship. Because I think they're only out. Well, I say only. I think they're out. 8 million this year. Some around there. 8 something this year.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm getting there.

[Chris Beam]

I mean, his base is 8.5885 cap for this year. When you say this, you mean 25.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yes, 25.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's 12 mil.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah. So but next year, eight and a.

[Chris Beam]

Half is the guaranteed in here.

[Isaiah Standback]

Eight and a half is a guarantee. Right. So when they made the commitment to him this year. Right. And decided to keep him on a Roster for this season. That's what they were committing to.

[Chris Beam]

Nothing guaranteed next year.

[Isaiah Standback]

Next year. Nothing guaranteed.

[Chris Beam]

Guaranteed money next year at all.

[Isaiah Standback]

Right. And post June 1st, I think. I think you save like an additional five or six million dollars on your cap. I'm spitballing.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sometimes it's about six million. Because if you cut him pre June 1st, which would be anytime between now and then, you got to take 17.3.

[Chris Beam]

You eat. You eat that.

[Isaiah Standback]

So for those that are.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If you cut them post, it's 11 points.

[Isaiah Standback]

Exactly. So for those at home trying to figure out what the heck is going on, like, this is a slow breakup. This is. This is. This is. Isaiah. Stand back. Telling you guys that I perceive this to be a slow breakup. I can't say what it is. I just know that I've seen this. This story.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I agree with you.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

But I would argue in most scenarios, when you have a player like that where you've committed that much to and you don't necessarily see the future in that player, you want to see them contribute during the season. And granted, he got into a situation where he had to go on IR in the middle of the season, but before that it wasn't looking great. And then now he's coming off of IR and he's healthy, and you're basically saying, is it worth paying him the extra games? It would be to activate him for the rest of the season or just call it a day.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think that's crucial element to all of this. Because if Trayvon Diggs was playing like all Pro Pro Bowl Trayvon Diggs, I think you deal with the attitude a little bit. You deal with the drama or whatever it ends up being. Whatever their problem is, you deal with.

[Isaiah Standback]

I'm not sure that this team would.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm not sure that this team.

[Isaiah Standback]

I understand what you guys are saying.

[Kyle Yeomans]

To a certain extent. I think they would, especially in a spot where they are at the cornerback position. Name one other guy. We just went through the list of corners the other day and said, who's playing well? And nobody is playing well.

[Isaiah Standback]

I don't disagree with you. I'm just saying I think that this regime is a little bit different.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They're trying to set a precedent, and it's been set already. I think if his play was fine, this would not be as big.

[Isaiah Standback]

There would definitely be more room.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Exactly.

[Chris Beam]

More of the work play, the culture core. When he's not playing well, but.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Or playing in order for them to.

[Chris Beam]

Say you can keep him not playing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

In order for them to say over the final three games of the season. Oh, let's throw him back out there because we know he's going to play well and it's worth putting him back out there. And you've already heard from the front office and the coaching staff themselves, they feel like the guys they have out there are just as good and just as prepared as what he would be getting back out there. So there's more of a risk than there is a reward to put him back in the fold because one way or the other, you're probably done with him at the end of the year anyway.

[Isaiah Standback]

I just want to throw something out there for. I know fans are probably proposing questions right now. Everybody is right. But scenario people are probably thinking, well, why don't you play him and if you are going to part ways with them, at least you can build up some equity and some value there so that you can trade him.

[Chris Beam]

What if he gets hurt?

[Isaiah Standback]

Exactly. So if he gets hurt now, you have to pay him out for the amount of time that is going to take him to get healthy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that's the risk versus which we've seen already. There's a long line of injuries that go on.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, he was getting and I saw someone ask would the Cowboys consider trading them and during the draft that's when you. If you're going to do it. Yeah, that's when you do it. Because teams are most desperate to try to figure some things out. And if they do it, if they make a trade pre June 1st, they only eat 5, a little bit under 6 million in dead money, but they save overall 12 and a half million dollars.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

If you're any other team in the league, though, what are you offering for Trayvon Diggs today?

[Chris Beam]

That's why you don't make the trade until.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Till the draft.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

I'm talking draft.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You might get a six or a seventh out of them in the draft. Maybe that's it at that point. I mean, that's all you're going to get.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Right. Now I don't think any of the 31 teams would want. Because they anticipate a cut.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yes, exactly.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The only reason a team would trade for him in a spot like the draft they don't would be because they don't want to wait and see if there's a team another one of the other 31 teams that's going to.

[Chris Beam]

Well, there are a couple of teams who shall not be mentioned here because I'm not going to do reverse tampering either. But there are a couple of teams let's Just say they're up north and they're rivals of each other. And one will have a player standing on the table form the other will have a coach standing on the table for him. I'll put it that way.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

And really quickly, before we.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Why would you talk about the Minnesota Vikings?

[Chris Beam]

Nice. Real quickly. All jokes aside, Melvin, I saw earlier in the chat you said that your grandkids got into a car accident this morning. So he did say that. I was monitoring it. He said that everyone's okay, but prayers out to them. Good news that everyone's okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

Please update us in. In the family as soon as you get more information on that. So just prayers to Melvin and his family. Glad the grandkids are good.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Family.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We appreciate you and we appreciate you listening, Melvin. Even getting in the chat at that point is. Is. It's wild. All right, let's get into QB vision when we come back on the other side of the break. More talking cowboys right after this.

[Isaiah Standback]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Isaiah Standback]

Yup.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Some great talent.

[Chris Beam]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Isaiah Standback]

Oh, wait a minute.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Chris Beam]

We're doing this.

[Isaiah Standback]

We're doing this.

[Chris Beam]

Four foot four, baby.

[Isaiah Standback]

Get this microphone out my way. Let's freaking go.

[Chris Beam]

And he's doing the elbow poke high.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And I know Beamer's got some cowboys gear on, so we're technically 5 for.

[Isaiah Standback]

5 beamer got them tighty whities on.

[Chris Beam]

Let's go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. All right. Let's get into some QB vision.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Wide 80, wide 80.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's time for QB vision with Isaiah Stanbach.

[Isaiah Standback]

I like that.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

It revs up, man.

[Isaiah Standback]

Let's talk about it. Week 16. Yeah. Where's this season went, man?

[Chris Beam]

What do you want to talk about?

[Isaiah Standback]

Well, you guys know I try to be as black and white as possible from a week to week basis. I try to give you guys the knowledge that you need so that you be the smartest ones in the room. I give you the pros. I give you how you can take advantage of teams. I give you how they're gonna try to attack you. This is the best unit you faced all year. Defensively.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hold on.

[Isaiah Standback]

Not talent unit. They play better than Philly. Philly has more talent. Philly has more talent. This team plays like a unit. There's a difference. There's a. I've never doubled up on a statement. This team, Philadelphia, is wildly talented on that side of the ball. Just extremely talented. Crazy argue.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

The Broncos are up there, too.

[Isaiah Standback]

Broncos are definitely up there. I've mentioned that. Those guys are crazy. This team plays as one. They play as a one. Solid discipline, defensive unit. If you were freaking moving pieces on a whiteboard, a little magnet whiteboard, this is how you would move those pieces as one. That was describing a defense to somebody else. That's how they. That's how they operate. Everybody's where they're supposed to be. Everybody's doing what they're supposed to do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That sounds nice.

[Isaiah Standback]

Nobody's trying to be a superhero. They trust the scheme and they will hit you in your mouth. In your mouth, in your whole mouth.

[Chris Beam]

You're gonna eat that.

[Isaiah Standback]

Even if you got Invisaligns, they're gonna hit you in your mouth. Listen. Yeah. They gonna take your corner. This is a team. I'll go to my little note sheet here. I don't typically do that. Let Kyle usually hit on that. But this is their NFL rankings, please. Fourth in the league in terms of the lowest completion percentage allowed. Oh, third in the league in yards allowed passing per game. Oh, first in the league in touchdown to interception ratio. They've allowed 12 touchdowns passing. They've had 17 interceptions. Oh, what week is this?

[Chris Beam]

16.

[Isaiah Standback]

16. And they've allowed 12 passing touchdowns.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Oh, that seems pretty good.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yes. Opposing passer rating first in the league, average of 71. Oh, and then just to throw a little something, a little extra mustard on top of this.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, Kendrick.

[Isaiah Standback]

They are fifth in the league in sacks. Averaging. Averaging. Three sacks per game.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Averaging may add to your stat.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yes, you may.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Number four in the NFL in sack percentage. Number two in the league in interception percentage. Number two in offensive yards per game. Total yards per game. I don't like those words, man. That's a really good defense.

[Isaiah Standback]

This defense is solid, you guys. I know people want to hear about. Okay, who are their prime time players? Okay, well, there's a dude on their defensive line that you just may know. He's been around the league since, like, 1970.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Cal El Macal.

[Isaiah Standback]

How you pronounce his name, man?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Khalil. Khalil.

[Chris Beam]

Khalil.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Khalil.

[Isaiah Standback]

Oh, Khalil. Oh, return of the Mac.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

Yes.

[Isaiah Standback]

Khalil Mac.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's still a still dude.

[Isaiah Standback]

Like, dude dog.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Capital D u, D E, Cap Dude.

[Isaiah Standback]

He's still. Still a Decepticon. Number 52, listed as a right outside linebacker. He's been around forever. He's been around forever. He's still. He's still as productive as possible. There's a reason why they allow Bosa to leave. They said, bosa, you want to go to the Buffalo? All right, cool. We still got return of the Mac. Oh, yeah. So Mac's still a dude at that level. Okay, let's go to the next level. Are there any dudes at the secondary at the second level?

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Linebackers.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

You guys want to throw some names out? I mean, I could talk about. Are you guys. No.

[Chris Beam]

QB vision.

[Isaiah Standback]

Okay. QBV. Okay, I got you. So number 52 is somebody you need to be looking out for. Number zero is somebody you might want to know where they're at. Diane, Number zero. Freaking thumper, man. Freaking thumper. When you think about a linebacker in the NFL, that is him. Third round pick from 23. But he. He's a dude, man. Right in the middle.

[Chris Beam]

He's a.

[Isaiah Standback]

He's a guy who. Who just makes plays. Perryman, number six. 45. You know, Tuli. Tulip. I can't pronounce his last name. Polly. They. They're solid at the second level. Okay, there you go. Third level.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That one's for real.

[Isaiah Standback]

Third level. Slash, kind of second level. Probably their best player. I would say their best player on the field.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It ain't Derwin James.

[Isaiah Standback]

Derwin James. Yes. Derwin. Derwin James.

[Chris Beam]

Yes.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Survival of the fittest.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, you might want to know where he's at if you're running any kind of routes remotely. From 5 to 15 yards.

[Chris Beam]

He's healthy nowadays.

[Isaiah Standback]

This dude is a. He's. He's a problem. He's a problem. He see ball hit, ball hit you in your chest. Plays physical at the line of scrimmage, plays physical anywhere in the box. He's a, he's a guy, he's, he's somebody that, he's a franchise defensive player. Just, just put it that way. One of the best quote unquote safeties, slash nickelbacks, whatever you want to call him that you, that you've seen in this game in a very long time. So, so all that to say there's plenty of other guys I can go down a list on. These guys run a too high shell for the most part, but they will mix and match with single high. They like to play zone but they will have no problem matching you up in man. They're not the necessarily, their cornerbacks aren't necessarily world beaters in man coverage, but they are sticky. They are sticky. They will stay in your hip pocket. They are going to contest absolutely everything.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The way they defended those Eagles receivers stuck out to me just two weeks ago, Monday Night Football.

[Isaiah Standback]

They were all over it over them.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And of course devonte Smith and A. Brown still had their fair share because they're going out.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, you could beat them.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, but man, it was consistent. Even the windows, and that's why Jaylen Herz had five turnovers in one game was because he was throwing into tight windows the entire football game.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

And he doesn't like to do that.

[Isaiah Standback]

Nobody does. Nobody does. And that's the thing. Like these guys, they'll, they'll blitz, but they're not like doing no exotic blitz.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They don't need to.

[Isaiah Standback]

They don't need to. They usually bring four. And if they do blitz, they'll bring one additional guy. They'll have a standup linebacker or, you know, over your guard and he'll drop out. They'll bring somebody on the outside. Not it's not like special. Right. You can pick it up. But they have so much trust in their front line and they're off their, their defensive backs are so sticky in their defense that you run out of time and that's really what they count on. That's the reason why they get so many interceptions. I mentioned that their cornerbacks aren't necessarily world beaters in terms of coverage, but they're not really getting beat over the top because they have help over the top. So very challenging. Everything that you're going to do is going to be contested. Okay. How do you beat them? Run the ball. I, I don't. Regardless of the fact that we have really good receivers run the ball.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

If you'll remember, Saquon had a really good run against them. Catching them in poor run defense. That's something that obviously hopefully you can lean on. But again, dude, their pass rush unit is insane.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yes.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Well, you talked about Colomak already. You talked about Tooley. Odafi away. Yeah. My goodness.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's been great, dude. Yeah.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Wow. The tart as well is up there too.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

And Odafi is a guy that they just rotate through.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Yeah, yeah. Rotational guy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Here's rotation.

[Chris Beam]

Here's the thing. Here's what you really should be concerned with. Number one, everything Isaiah said. But the Cowboys offensive line, they're coming off two weeks in which they've allowed a combined 41 pressures.

[Kyle Yeomans]

20 and 21.

[Chris Beam]

A combined 41 pressures. This is a Chargers defense that. Talk about the Chiefs, for example, they just recently played. The Chiefs generated 21 pressures.

[Isaiah Standback]

21.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And you want to know where 17 of those pressures came from, Mac. And well, it wasn't just one player. It was when they. They rushed four.

[Chris Beam]

Oh, oh, you mean just when they.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Rushed four, they had 17 of those 21 pressures.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

That doesn't seem like a lot, Kyle.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's not a lot. Guys. They got one pressure when they rushed three. Oh, they're rushing three guys. That means two of your guys are getting double teamed and there's still getting a pressure.

[Isaiah Standback]

One thing I forgot to throw out there, they have a safety that has been around the league since Jesus was born. And he has been somebody who's been on a practice squad. He's been under active roster. This dude actually went to scouting, scouting and coaching and then he came back as a player. He's somebody who has killed us every single year in the preseason.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, I was about to say this.

[Isaiah Standback]

Is the preseason preseason freaking warrior. You think? Oh, okay. He's just having good preseason games. No, this dude has been around for I think 12 seasons or something. Crazy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Tony Jefferson, 23 Ball Hawk.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's really one of the best stories in the football.

[Isaiah Standback]

Oh, it's an amazing story. He definitely needs a movie written about him.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

He's the 19th overall ranked safety according to PFF.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, screw PFF's ranking on that one. Don't throw the ball his way because he will pick it off.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's a good ranking.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

That's a pretty good ranking.

[Isaiah Standback]

I know, but they screw that. He's a ball hog and he will hit you. I think he just got ejected.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

19 in the whole league.

[Isaiah Standback]

I think he got it. I think he Got ejected from the last game, so I'm not sure about his availability.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

And all hit on, bro.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't think it's a one.

[Isaiah Standback]

I don't think.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't think.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, I think. I think he'll be available. I think he's fine either way. Be aware if you're throwing the ball his way. He literally has great ball instincts. It's not just in the preseason because he's picked us off. I think every year in the preseason played him. It's in the regular season.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's wild.

[Chris Beam]

You have, man. I just, I can't stress enough because we were talking about how tackle was a problem. A problem, for lack of a better way to put it, just to say pro. I was gonna say something. I was gonna use a worse adjective.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But okay, I'm trying to save you.

[Chris Beam]

Oh, that's fine. Because Beamer would have to just beep it out, but yeah. In 21 pressures, 21 against the Chiefs, Cowboys have allowed 41 combined pressures over the past two weeks. And then you talk about the edges. So what the heck? Please say this name again. Exactly. That's what it would have had to be.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

That scared me.

[Chris Beam]

I'm just gonna call it Josh's face. I'm not even gonna try less. I'm just gonna call him Tuli also, because he's a weapon. Weapon, tooling. See what I did there? Khalil and Tuli generated 8 and 7 pressures respectively by themselves against the Chiefs. They are coming off of the edges and you are in trouble if you cannot stop those guys. And the problem is is you have Terence Steele now. He's struggling again after having a very good three game stretch. He's struggling to get on that side. On the opposite side, you don't know if Tyler Guyton is available and if he's not available, you don't know if Nate Thomas is available. And Akeema Denny went out there and he got a holding penalty because he doesn't get a ton of reps. You're in trouble. You're in big trouble. You're in really big Trouble.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Call me now, 888-855-2297. We're going to make up for missing your phone calls yesterday because we were serving the community and doing the most good with the Salvation army. When we come back with more talking Cowboys 888-855-2297 right after this.

[Isaiah Standback]

Hi, it's Colin Coward from the Colin Coward podcast. Do you know the symptoms of moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea? Or OSA in adults with obesity, they may be happening to you without your knowing. If anyone's ever said you snore loudly, or if you spend your days fighting off excessive tiredness, irritability, concentration issues, it may be due to osa. OSA is a serious condition where your airway partially or completely collapses during sleep, which may cause breathing interruptions and oxygen deprivation. Learn more at don't sleep on OSA.com this information provided by Lilly A Medicine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Isaiah Standback]

For instance, there's Limu, Emu and Doug.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Hello.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Isaiah Stamback, Chris Beam in the back waiting to take your calls. I'm Kyle Yeomans, 888-855-2297. Let's get it started. It's a regular. Let's get Mike on the New York on the line. What up Mike?

[Chris Beam]

What's going on guys? It's Jeff today. Today's. Today's my official birthday and thank you, thank you, thank you. Wish being a great talking to you guys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I wish the Cowboys were playing a little better.

[Chris Beam]

We got to go defense in the draft, defense and more defense. That's many times it's defenses. And our defensive coordinator, I feel like.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He definitely has to be.

[Chris Beam]

I don't know if it's a scheme. We talk about it every week the same thing. I don't know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like I feel like we played good.

[Chris Beam]

The last couple game, the couple games prior to Detroit. Like I feel like now we're back to square one.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Appreciate the mic or the phone call, Mike. Appreciate you listening and of course happy birthday. I agree. That's what's frustrating to me is you thought this was a different team following the trade deadline and I think they're better than they Were pre trade deadline.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, for sure.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They're definitely a better team, but they're not where you hoped they would go. And I think this is probably more of the realistic side of who they are now. Are they better than what they were showing prior to the bi week? Yes. Are they still a contender to possibly make the playoffs next year? At the moment, I would say yes. Are they a Super bowl contender? Absolutely not. There's a difference between all of that. So I agree with Mike. That's where the frustration lies for me is you fix one thing and then another thing pops up. It's like an old car, you know, like you're fixing one thing and then your transmission goes out and then your transmission's fixed, and then I know I'm a little upset about this. And then your tire goes down and then you can fix that and then your AC goes out. Like it's just all of those different elements and you're still kind of right back where you were initially.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah. And that's. I mean, fans have a right to be frustrated. I do agree, Kyle. I do think this team is better.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

It's just not good. It's just better than terrible. It was. I mean, the defense was terrible before the bye week and now it's. It's better than terrible. Yeah. We can agree. It's just not good. Now. Can it be good? Yeah. With an off season and you make some, you know, some changes, see what you can get in free. Not see what you can get. Go get something in free agency, handle the draft the right way. I do disagree with saying it should be defense, defense, defense in the draft. Yeah. You got small business things that you need to fix. We just sat here and talked about the offensive line. I know people don't want to talk about. You want to use another first round picket man, do what you got to do.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yep.

[Chris Beam]

Survive, survive. But the conversation has to be had in the front office and with Brian Schottenheimer on Matt Eberfluz. And that's just the fact that you have to have that conversation. Now, whether you choose to continue with my Eber floose next year or you choose not to, it's still a conversation that has to be had. Because if you continue with him, then you gotta like, pow, pow, pow. This needs to be the thing that we need to see by this date and this date and this day has to be benchmarks that need to be passed. Because if he's not hitting those benchmarks.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Then along those lines, the report from Bobby Belt, friend of the show 153 the fan he said they will evaluate Matt Eberfluss. They haven't made a decision. They're not going to make a decision. But over these final three games, a lot of what they're going to look at over these final three games is going to be how they view his.

[Chris Beam]

Status not to palm. He's not the only one. They need to have a conversation about Nick Sorensen as well.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

How much say do the players have in this. Do you think there's a tally of coaches reaching out to players to be like where do you stand on where you you are defensively scheme wise? What do you think is right, wrong, what could be improved? All of these things. Do you think the players have any sort of skin in the game when.

[Isaiah Standback]

It comes to who would you ask on defense?

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's. That was exactly where I was headed.

[Chris Beam]

Well the one who we've had that conversation, the one who was asked and answered he might not make it off of ir.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah but he, he never really showed that he was a leader.

[Chris Beam]

I'm just saying he was, he was.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He was vocal and he answered but that doesn't mean he was a leader.

[Chris Beam]

And he wasn't wrong because we all agreed with the increase.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Because he was saying play more man.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah. And that's all he said and we agreed and then you know, it happened and it didn't happen again and now we're right back here to run secondary 85. It happened.

[Isaiah Standback]

I'm not necessarily sure this past weekend they got torched.

[Chris Beam]

Well that personnel so yeah yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

I mean but he called it also.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Got no I was, I was like, you know who you ask. I mean I think you asked your, your players that you've invested in and you know that you've seen play. Well, I mean daron blame would would. Would be a question for me like probably how would you what would you want to see out of your defensive scheme currently and like of course osa, of course Quinn Williams, of course the guys that you believe in.

[Isaiah Standback]

Right.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Marvin Overshone. I want to see what they're thinking is in terms of defense coordinators just to see what could be improved from their, from their vantage point. Right. Because they're seeing something on the field.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That'S they see what goes wrong when there's a play that happens and they know who missed an assignment. Everybody knows. You see it on the film, you know what play was called. So yeah, I, I agree with you. I don't know how much say they have. I don't know if they have that.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Say, should that be the case?

[Chris Beam]

I think it should be. I think that should be the conversation. I think that's what Dan Quinton did well here.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Not that. Not that Dan Quinn is perfect and that everything revolves back to him, but he's the last defensive coordinator here that had success consistently. He relied a lot on the player input.

[Chris Beam]

Man, if I'm Shime, number one, I get paid. Paid a lot more. But if I'm Schottinghammer, I would absolutely tick and handle the situation in a way where I get into a room with all of my defensive guys. No defensive coaches, no positional coaches, just, you know, no coordinator. It's just me as the head coach in a room with the defensive guys and saying, speak freely. Yeah, speak your mind.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They may have already done that. We don't.

[Chris Beam]

Maybe that's what I mean. He could have. I'm just saying that. I would hope that he would, because that's the way that you get. Get the pure, unadulterated. Because at the moment, if you don't do that, then the players are probably going to speak through a filter, maybe.

[Isaiah Standback]

Right.

[Chris Beam]

Because it's like, well, I don't really.

[Isaiah Standback]

Want to offend because Ibruss is a really nice guy.

[Chris Beam]

Right. That's what I mean.

[Isaiah Standback]

Really good guy.

[Chris Beam]

Really, really good.

[Isaiah Standback]

Really good guy.

[Chris Beam]

But at the same time, you need. You need the actual feedback. So I would just sit them all.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Down in the room.

[Chris Beam]

Defense. Yeah. Unfiltered. Sitting down in the room, the defensive guys, just them and the head coach and say, hey, hey, speak freely. What do you think went wrong? What would you have liked to see happened this. This season? What would you like to see going forward? And then as the head coach, you then take all of that back, and then you have a conversation with the front office, and you also allow that to color your conversation with Matt Eber flutes. And of course, you don't name names, but you say, well, some of the feedback I've been getting, there's a trend toward this being something that the players had an issue with, this being something like that. And then now, how would you look to resolve it now? It's a re interview. I say re interview them. Right. That's what it needs to be. You need to have the interview process all over again. Sell me on why you should get another shot here. And again, this is not a knock to evil. Flu as a man, he is a very good human being. Yeah. You to be around Matt Eva flu is to love him as a human being.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's awesome.

[Chris Beam]

But as a coordinator, you got questions, you got to make tough decisions and go to culture. All right, Shoddy, here's another conversation.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We got got. Let's get to these two calls. I just want to get through them real quick. All right, let's go to Hoodie Kush. What up, Hoodie Kush? Back on the talk, boys. Platform. What up, dude?

[Isaiah Standback]

What's the deal, gentlemen? I got two quick questions, one for Mr. Stand Back.

[Chris Beam]

I'll start with that one. You've been around the league, you. You've canoodled and commiserated with a bunch.

[Isaiah Standback]

Of different coaches and coaching staffs. What do you think about Mr. One, Mr. Antonio Pierce as a defensive coordinator?

[Kyle Yeomans]

We can't talk about names.

[Chris Beam]

He's free.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is he free?

[Chris Beam]

He's free.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Okay.

[Isaiah Standback]

If he's not working.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sorry.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, I thought he was somewhere.

[Isaiah Standback]

I don't know about AP's ability to lead internal in an entire unit. I would have to ask more resources in regards to that. I know he's a heck of a player. I know he became a head coach, an interim head coach and then became the head coach. Didn't work out well for him. So unfortunately. Yeah. So I'm not. I'm not sure I would have to do more homework there. Okay, I'll get back to you on that one. We'll talk about that.

[Chris Beam]

On that second question, would you talking.

[Isaiah Standback]

About draft season, Would you be more.

[Chris Beam]

Inclined to move back in the day too?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, good question. Thanks, Hoodie Coach. Appreciate you. No say with your chest? No. It depends on what happens. It depends on what you've got there. If you're sitting there, let's say the packers go on some sort of run. Let's say they go and they've got 28, 29 in the draft.

[Isaiah Standback]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And that's your second first round pick. Yeah, I'd probably think about it. Unless there's somebody there that you want to have a fifth year option on. I would take a couple extra picks, load back up on the trades that you've made because you don't have a third round pick, you don't have a fifth round pick. I don't believe. And so you're get some comp picks in the middle of it. But if you trade from 29 or 30 back into the second round, you're going to pick up some significant capital there. So yeah, I would consider it, but I would rather if there's a guy there that I think is a dude and is going to be a badass for you for five seasons Go just stick and pick the player. I'm cool with that, too, because you got two first round picks for the first time. And what is it, 13 years, 14 years, something like that. And it's. Yeah, you might as well use it while you got a chance if there's.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Not a player there that's going to impact your team right here, right now. I mean.

[Isaiah Standback]

And.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

What are you doing? Don't get cute. Make the pick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, make the pick and let's go get ugly. All right, last one. Cynthia in Laredo. What's going on, Cynthia? Welcome back to Talking Cowboys.

[Chris Beam]

Thank you, sweetie. I just want to say feliz navidad to my qu Amigos. And I say real quick, I don't know if you remember, but the night before the Philadelphia Ego game, I got to meet you at the mall. And your wife and your children, they're beautiful.

[Isaiah Standback]

It's good to hear your voice again. Thank you so much.

[Chris Beam]

It was. Thank you for stopping. I looked at you and then you looked at me like, okay. But really, I really just wanted to wish you guys a very merry Christmas with a lot of God's blessings and real two quick question. Which is the player you would like to see that hasn't played? Okay. And y' all have a very merry Christmas, guys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thank you very much. Cynthia.

[Chris Beam]

Cynthia hasn't played. I like to see play.

[Isaiah Standback]

Bye.

[Chris Beam]

Bye.

[Patrick Noisee Walker]

Bye.

[Chris Beam]

Perry on that's a good one.

[Isaiah Standback]

Shamar.

[Chris Beam]

Phil.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, I'm shamar too. Phil's a good one, though. I'm gonna go with shamar. That's gonna do it for us here on Talking Cowboys. Thanks for for calling in. Thanks for joining us over the course of the day. For Patrick, Noi Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yitz. We'll see you tomorrow with some lab coats. Can't wait. It's going to be a lot of fun. We'll be right back. Tomorrow. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football club.

[Chris Beam]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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