Talkin’ Cowboys: Feast on the Chiefs?

Summary

Talkin’ Cowboys: Feast on the Chiefs?

Podcast: Talkin' Cowboys
Date: November 25, 2025
Hosts: Kyle Yeomans, Patrick “No C” Walker, Isaiah Stanback, Josh Rodriguez
Location: The Star in Frisco, TX

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Episode Overview

This edition of Talkin’ Cowboys zeroes in on the Dallas Cowboys' upcoming Thanksgiving matchup against the visiting Kansas City Chiefs. The crew dives deep into the big headlines from the previous week’s win, injury updates, and tactical assessments, with a heavy dose of QB Vision—a breakdown of what to expect from both sides of the ball against KC. There’s an emphasis on keys to beating the Chiefs’ aggressive defense and the impact of recent adversity on the team. Listeners also join in for a lively call-in segment to close the show.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cowboys Vibes & Housekeeping (01:04–05:27)

• The show kicks off with lots of playful banter: the hosts joke about family members watching and hometown shoutouts (Little Elm’s rough football year).
• They discuss how their loved ones react to their on-air antics and reminisce about touching fan and community support.

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2. Injury Updates & News (05:28–13:37)

Tyler Guyton Injury:

• Isaiah Standback: “The headliner for those who may not be available against the Kansas City Chiefs on Thanksgiving is Tyler Guyton. He left the eventual victory over the Philadelphia Eagles…with an ankle injury, he did not return. It's not looking good for Tyler Guyton. It's a bleak outlook as far as him being able to turn around and play four days after suffering an ankle injury.” (06:05)
• Nate Thomas is penciled in as starting LT if Guyton can’t go.

Kaylin Carson Hydration Issue:

• Isaiah Standback: “Kaylin Carson...was just battling dehydration. That’s why he was in and out of the game… it was a weird thing.” (07:15)
• Discussion about cramping and the importance of hydration, especially odd given the timing and conditions.

Other Player Updates:

• George Pickens: Dealing with a contusion, but soreness is the main issue. Expected to play.
• Osa Odighizuwa: Elbow injury; probably a precaution as he’s expected to play.
• Kavontae Turpin: Shoulder and illness, should play.
• Main concern: Only Tyler Guyton is unlikely to return for Thursday.
• Practice Note: No full practices; just walkthroughs this week.

Jerry Jones Soundbites:

• On George Pickens’ future: “No, I do not. We've got two number one receivers and that's just exceptional at a time when our quarterback is at the best he's ever been." (12:10)
• Jerry sidesteps a question about Pickens eventually earning more than CeeDee Lamb.

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3. QB Vision: Breaking Down the Chiefs’ Defense (20:03–34:21)

Josh Rodriguez leads with QB Vision: Analyzing Steve Spagnuolo’s Defense

• Most Dangerous in 3rd & Long: “Kansas City is most dangerous when they get you in third and eight, third and seven plus, right. That's when they send the dogs after you. Spags wants to light you up.” (21:42)
• Chris Jones #95: “He is a problem when he wants to be… If he doesn't want to be blocked, you can't block him.” (22:10)
• On Jones taking plays off: “He takes plays off. He doesn't go 100 all the time. You can frustrate him.” (22:21)
• Edge Rusher George Karlaftis: Team’s performance decline. “He's not the guy he used to be. I want to be his fan… I'm not seeing it.” (24:43)

Linebackers & Secondary:

• Drew Tranquil (#23): Likes his aggressive, downhill play.
• Nick Bolton: Not as dominant as past years.
• Trent McDuffie: “Put some respect on it. He’s damn good.” (26:24)
• Jalen Watson (#35): “Tostitos Plaza. If he walks upon you, throw the ball up.” (27:52)
• Chiefs are fast, aggressive, and deceptive in coverage. They excel at secondary blitzes and confusing coverage shells.

Best Attack Strategy vs. Chiefs D:

• Establish some semblance of a run to set up play action.
• Attack outside; take underneath routes, especially on screens.
• Chris Jones gets frustrated by slow, methodical gains.
• Spagnuolo brings creative, unpredictable pressure, especially on third downs—diagnosing it pre-snap is critical.

Memorable Quote:

• Josh Rodriguez on Spagnuolo Blitzing:
  “Third down. I don't care if they're bringing it, they're bringing it. It could be third and 16. They're it's Spagnolo, its Spags, you're getting pressure on third down.” (25:05)

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4. Stat of the Week & Game Plan Keys (38:20–43:00)

Patrick Walker’s Stat of the Week:

• “If the Cowboys can rush for at least 85 meaningful yards—meaningful, not garbage time yards—they win this game on the ground.” (39:10)
• Chiefs’ run defense is strong (top 8 in NFL), but in games where opponents broke 85–100 rushing yards, KC is vulnerable.
• Non-traditional runs (receiver screens, swing passes) can supplement the ground game against a “brick wall” interior.

Josh Rodriguez’s Counter:

• “If we run at least eight screens [plays], I treat those like run plays... If I can get the ball out to a quick swing screen out to Javonte Williams… that’s just as good.” (42:24)

Key to Victory:

• Patience and persistence versus the Chiefs defense—dink and dunk, win the time of possession, and frustrate Chris Jones, forcing Spagnuolo to overcommit.

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5. Listener Calls & Reflections (44:08–53:14)

Dano from Florida (44:34):

• Praises Tyler Booker’s performance vs. Jalen Carter: “He totally destroyed Jalen Carter… it was impressive.” (45:00)
• Commends Jake Ferguson’s increased “violence” as a receiver.
• Notes Williams’ impact on defense, growth of Aubreyshawn, and likes the LB rotation.
• Heartfelt reflection on the team’s handling of recent tragedy: “The Cowboys have handled it so, so well… the way the team came around, the way the front office handled it. They deserve all the credit.” (47:17)

Mike from New York (49:26):

• Lauds the team’s resilience, adjustments, and comeback win against the Eagles: “That was resilience and fight… the defense really, you know, shut out a team like that in the second half.” (49:26)
• Says Pickens and CeeDee Lamb will bounce back after a tough game.

Host Reactions:

• The hosts echo callers’ positivity and highlight the emotional resilience and unity of the locker room after adversity.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Isaiah Standback on the team’s response to tragedy:
  “They promise to play relentless football to honor him. And here we are two games in—they’re doing it.” (48:09)

• Josh Rodriguez on Keys to Attacking KC:
  “If there's a brick wall… understand that it's a brick wall… If there's a wall here and it's soft over there, I'm going to the drywall. Right. I'm not going to keep hitting the dog on brick wall.” (43:40)

• Patrick Dosie Walker on defensive keys:
  “Make Chris Jones check out by being effective on the ground. 85 yards on the ground and I think the Cowboys get away with a win.” (39:21)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Injury News & Notes: 05:28–13:37
• QB Vision: Chiefs D Breakdown: 20:03–34:21
• Patrick’s Stat of the Week: 38:20–43:00
• Listener Calls & Emotional Reflections: 44:08–53:14

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Tone & Style

Talkin’ Cowboys delivers its usual mix of insider football analysis, player anecdotes, jovial locker room banter, and unfiltered fan passion. The hosts speak candidly and humorously, balancing technical X’s and O’s with personal stories and interactive energy for listeners.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode arms Cowboys fans with a clear, tactical understanding of what’s at stake and how the team can take down the Chiefs: stay patient, withstand the blitz, establish some run presence, and attack smart underneath. The unity and resilience of the Cowboys locker room—both from a football and human perspective—stand as this team’s backbone entering a pivotal holiday matchup.

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For more, tune in tomorrow for “Lab Coat” breakdowns, “Get Your Popcorn Ready,” pick’ems, and a packed Thanksgiving week show!

Transcript

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

Happily, yes. A day of sunshine.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

No.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A box of fine wines.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

[Isaiah Standback]

This.

[Josh Rodriguez]

This is Talking Cowboys streaming live from.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The Dallas Cowboys world headquarters at the.

[Josh Rodriguez]

St.

[Isaiah Standback]

And now your hosts, Isaiah Standback.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans. It's a talking Tuesday edition of Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle coffee company live from the Star in Frisco, Texas and the SWBC studio.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Welcome in, everybody. We got the whole cast and crew ready for you to rock today with Patrick. No See Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Glad you're with us. We will take some calls today, but since it's a short week, we got a special surprise for all you guys out there. Guys and girls and everybody that's watching.

[Isaiah Standback]

Come on with it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We've got QB vision today.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So we're gonna do QB vision. We're gonna take some phone calls. We're gonna give our news and notes like we normally do at the top of the show. And then tomorrow. Oh, tomorrow packed up. Jam packed. Just mortgage board of Talking Cowboys greatness. Because tomorrow we'll have news and notes. Then we'll have some lab coat. Then we're gonna have some.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Some.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Get your popcorn ready.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You put that lab coat in there on there. And you freaking get in there, buddy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And then we're gonna get. There's more pickums at the end of.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So that's. What's the. The short week plan for talking Cowboy?

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Chocked full, you might say.

[Isaiah Standback]

Absolutely.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Fun fact for you. What's that?

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Last night, up tomorrow.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Uhhuh.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I was tired. You were just tired.

[Isaiah Standback]

Is that the fun?

[Josh Rodriguez]

We had a long day on Sunday. So tired. Passed out when I got home, woke up, did a couple chores, and next thing you know, my wife is calling me into the office. She's laughing.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

She's like, step into my office.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Exactly. Principal's office, bro. So I go in, I'm half.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't know if we need to.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Hear the rest of this story.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, no, no, no, actually, so I walk over there and I'm like, what's going on? And she's literally watching talking cowboys. She didn't catch it earlier. And she's laughing at the intro because at the beginning, I'm going like this behind Mr. Rodriguez, and he's going like this. She's dying laughing. She's like, what's wrong with you guys?

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

And I hit a little bit.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So I have to go back and make a gif now of Josh doing this. Right? All you gotta do is go back and forth.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

That's all you get.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's all you get.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Wait for talking after dark.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Once we get behind that paywall, things happen.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah. Never know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, we have so much fun here. I also love that, like, all of our family members are kind of involved with all the stupidity that we have on this show.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's great.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like, my wife will text me and she'll be like, stop it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Don't.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Don't make another KY joke. Please, I beg of you.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, between your wife. Mama Yo.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, Mama Yo's always watching.

[Isaiah Standback]

I'm always getting wife chimes in with just a ton of laughing face emojis, often because of this guy.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Hey, he's a problem.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The entire town of Little Elm watches for Josh Ryder.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

He gets absolutely.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's true.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

My hometown. My hood, if you will.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, the hood. The mean streets.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

The mean streets of Walker Boulevard.

[Isaiah Standback]

Streets of Walker Boulevard. Slightly.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

You know what it is, Ellie? Go Lobos.

[Isaiah Standback]

Slightly miffed. Streets of Little Elm.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Go Lobos.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

They have never once reached out to me. Be like, hey, you know, you're, you know, doing well over there.

[Josh Rodriguez]

How about you?

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

They gotta do something for us. Come on, man. Yeah, I love Little ELM.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They were 0 for 10 in football this year.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Like, they were.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, and 10.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Yikes.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It was a rough year for Lobos.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

All right, well, don't reach out to me unless you're the media Tech department. Shouts to them.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, you're supposed to be a booster. What do you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, you gotta start, like, hanging.

[Isaiah Standback]

What are you doing?

[Kyle Yeomans]

We gotta build an indoor.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

I've always wanted to be part of, like, a country club or, like, one of those. What is it called? The secret societies. I mean, Skull and Bones. So Little Em has one of those.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm sure they do.

[Isaiah Standback]

You're a booster, so you need to kick in this. Kick in for the nil.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They're really good at opening up that.

[Isaiah Standback]

Transfer portal from Duncanville.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's start getting players over here. We gotta get some talent.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

I mean, the Crown achievement is Cole Beasley. And I want to change that. I want to change that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Joe Looney is a coach there now.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Okay.

[Isaiah Standback]

Shouts out to Joe at little. Some Joe Lou I love.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Just called them. Oh, and 10.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sorry, Joe. It's true. I mean, the record's the record. I say anything about it.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Record.

[Kyle Yeomans]

O and 10 still love us. You are who your record says you are.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Bam.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Still, The Cowboys are 5, 5 and 1. Let's talk about little news and notes. Jerry Jones just got off of 105. Three the fan.

[Isaiah Standback]

Did. He did just get off. 105 three the fan.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Tommy will have a story for you.

[Isaiah Standback]

Took us five minutes to talk football.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Oh, no.

[Isaiah Standback]

However, will they survive? All right. Jerry Jones has talked about several things on 153 the Fan. First, let's tap in with the injury report. Keep it in mind. The Cowboys, as we all know, are on an exceptionally short week. Okay? So don't expect full blown practices going on here. I say that to say yesterday was a walkthrough. Okay. Today might be a jog through. Right, y', all. With a soft J. The headliner for those who may not be available against the Kansas City Chiefs on Thanksgiving is Tyler Guyton. He left the eventual victory over the Philadelphia Eagles. That. That felt good to say. The eventual victory over the Philadelphia Eagles. Yeah, Yeah, I like those words. With an ankle injury, he did not return. It's not looking good for Tyler Guyton. When we talked to Brian Schottenheimer on yesterday in conjunction with what Jerry Jones told 105. 3 the Fan this morning, it's. It's a bleak outlook as far as him being able to turn around and play four days after suffering an ankle injury, in which case he's having a difficult time not limping on. So as we have this conversation, I will go ahead and put a strike through on Tyler Guyton and I will pencil in Nate Thomas as the starting left tackle. Yeah, so that's the. That's the not news. The other news is, you know, pretty good. Pretty good. Kaylin Carson. I know a lot of fans were concerned about Kaylin Carson. Turns out he was just battling dehydration. That's why he was in and out of the game.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So they said, oh, so not like an actual.

[Isaiah Standback]

Not an actual injury. He was just battling dehydration. So when they felt they had it under control, they sent him back in. But then he started cramping again, so he had to exit again. So it was just. It was a weird.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

He seemed really upset off the field. Whenever he was coming off and he threw his helmet.

[Isaiah Standback]

Which makes sense when you keep cramping up and you just.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Totally understand.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Understandable.

[Isaiah Standback]

Going on.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Totally understandable. It is something worse.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Real injury. I'm just saying.

[Isaiah Standback]

No, no. Not something that would. Lingering thing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's just what I'm kind of meant.

[Isaiah Standback]

Kind of a fluke thing. And anyone who's played any kind of athletics understands that sometimes you just. You cramp up for some reason and. Yeah. Isaiah, don't be coy.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Why are you doing Kayleen Carson if I need to get you one of these?

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's.

[Isaiah Standback]

It's weird because at this level, at.

[Josh Rodriguez]

This time of the year.

[Isaiah Standback]

But I. Yeah, but I would also.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Say, well, he hasn't played a ton of.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't care.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's been off the feet.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Your job to stay hydrated.

[Isaiah Standback]

Hey, do you. Do you guys remember this might have been like three, four years ago, give or take. The Cowboys had like this rash of cramping that would happen with the players.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What time of the year?

[Isaiah Standback]

It was around, actually. It was midpoint, maybe slightly before midpoint.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Summer makes sense.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Isaiah Standback]

They were losing.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So this is the thing for people that are out there and wondering why my face looks like this. Hydration.

[Isaiah Standback]

I think they always.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Hydration is a part of your maintenance. Right. As a professional athlete, it's more difficult in the summertime because of the amount of weight and water that you're expelling during practice during a game on any given day because of how hot it is. So anytime in summertime to transition first part of the year, that first month, really, of the year, you're losing 10, you know, depending on your position, anywhere from 5 to 15 pounds of water weight. Yeah. So cramping is almost part of it. It's a part of it. Right. You hope that you don't. You hydrate as much as you can, but I don't know how. How many times you guys have poured out 15 pounds of water, but it's a lot. Right. So your body will get dehydrated this time of the year. Playing indoor, there's really no excuse for it. It's what. What I'm saying. Right. That's a preventable measure.

[Isaiah Standback]

Oh, it's most certainly preventable.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And so that's why I give that look like, how can you come into that game?

[Isaiah Standback]

Dehydrate is most certainly.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And. And even before games, there's a line of guys that get IVs.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Before the game, like, so there's many checkpoints. Checkpoints that could have been prevented in terms of him, you know, missing time in the game.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

To Kyle's point though, he's ramping up for the first time basically this season over the last three weeks. And you know, maybe this just was part of the getting back into the rhythm of things. Possibly totally understandable, but yeah, of course you'd expect him to be hydrated, but it's just one of those things and probably why you saw some of the frustration on his face coming off the field. I shouldn't be dealing with this right now. I need to be in true.

[Isaiah Standback]

And the good news is that he's learned the lesson.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Not an injury.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, he's not an injury.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's the good news.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Yeah, I'm thankful for that.

[Isaiah Standback]

He will be on the field against pickle juice. City Chiefs, everybody. And if that means he needs to have a jar of pickle juice on the sideline, so be it. Another round of good news. George Pickens, we know that he was dealing with what's now be described as a contusion, a leg contusion. Brian Schottenheimer said yesterday that it's more so just soreness that's being worked through. He basically expects that George Pickens will be on the field.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's a good thing he has time to recover, right?

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

No, no, not at all.

[Isaiah Standback]

Because player safety and you know, and the like. Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But then we'll go, we'll go straight into the, the mini buy after that, right?

[Isaiah Standback]

No.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Oh, yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

3 and 12.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

I mean.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, not talking about a record.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, player safety. So George Pickens, he's dealing with some. He's dealing with some soreness as is. Also Dicky's a whoop. Now I will say based on how the answers from Shotti and Jerry Jones were qualified, it sounds as if the only one that they have a real concern with is Tyler Guyton. So also Digi Zua did not participate with an elbow injury, but sounds like he'll be fine. They're just going to be cautious with him over this very short period of time. Same for George Pickens. Soreness with the knee, calf should be fine. Kavonte Turpin missed practice with the walkthrough, I should say with a shoulder issue also an illness should be fine. And everyone else either participated in a limited capacity or in a full blown capacity. So again, draw a circle around Tyler Guy and he's the one that likely will not play. Everyone else looks like they'll be in, probably won't practice this week for guys like oh, so excuse me, George Pickens, Kavante, Turpin, just to make sure that they, they are as good to go. But trust me, when that ball gets kicked off, you're going to see George.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Pickens on that field and going off of player safety. Real quick. Just to clarify, there was no actual practice, full fledged practice yesterday. It was a walkthrough.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Correct.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

And that is an est. If there was a practice yesterday, these guys would be inactive or did not practice.

[Isaiah Standback]

And speaking of George Pickens, what about him? Jerry Jones said something else about him. Oh, he was, he was asked of course, because you know, it's George Pickens.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And he should be asked.

[Isaiah Standback]

He should be asked. Jerry Jones was asked, is there a, is there a version of the multiverse in which he does not envision or see George Pickens in a Cowboys uniform and after 20, 25 and I quote, no, I do not. We've got two number one receivers and that's just exceptional at a time when our quarterback is at the best he's ever been in quote, Jerry Jones, tell him.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Jerry.

[Isaiah Standback]

Neither Jerry, no, nor Shoddy, nor Dak, nor CD nor anyone you speak with is being Coy Isaiah when it comes to George Pickens. Okay?

[Josh Rodriguez]

They are all, yeah, that guy stinks.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, no, they are. Absolutely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm glad, I'm glad they're not.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

That guy can't stand Koi. I don't like that Coy Isaiah.

[Isaiah Standback]

I don't like that Ko Isaiah. But all these guys, including upwards to the ownership, they are standing on the front porch, center stage to let George Pickens know.

[Josh Rodriguez]

There's one way to let him know.

[Isaiah Standback]

Fact, there's one. Now Jerry Jones was also asked invite.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Him over for dinner.

[Isaiah Standback]

Given given how the market is and given how George Pickens is giving. I like that. Given how the market is and given how George Pickens is playing, would he be Jerry comfortable with a situation in which possibly George Pickens earns more than CD Lamb? I will say he deflected that. He got that thing right on out of there. So basically Jerry Jones said, let's just pump the brakes on that kind of stuff. Let's just see how everything. Yeah, he was like, hold your horses, my man. So yeah, so that's where we are right now with news and notes.

[Josh Rodriguez]

All I can think about was David Chappelle and a racial draft. Now wait one dog on minute Rodney.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Kind of going along the same lines there too far. We had, we had Stephen Jones on pregame live this week as we normally.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh yeah, we did.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And I asked him the question. I asked him. I was like, we were just finishing talking about George Pickens. So it was a natural transition to ask about George Pickens and the future that he has. He was kind of a little less upfront about it than Jerry was, but I thought, and you can go back and listen to it. It's posted on YouTube. It's posted on Dallas Cowboys.com so.com.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Sorry, sorry.

[Isaiah Standback]

What is going on?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Sorry, I'm looking at the analytics, man. I'm sorry.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There we go. So it's up on YouTube, up on Dallas Cowboys.com and you can go look at it whenever you want. But the interview is about midway through the show. And asked him, have, has, has there ever, has there been talks? And he was like, yeah, pretty much like there's been talks. Not between pickets and the representatives, but within the front office. Is the question that I.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

But not non committal.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like, he wasn't non committal, but he was just kind of less upfront about everything.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He said the same non committal until it's done.

[Isaiah Standback]

Everything.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Like that's where people need to understand. Like you could pat him on his back, you can give him a high five. You can give him a Jason Garrett slap on the cheeks. At the end of the day, it's, it's always going to be non committal until he gets the bag. You know what I'm saying? Like, it just is what it is.

[Isaiah Standback]

It is man buns.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's how you show guys nowadays. Nowadays, guys just, they want their cash, they want their bread, which I only way that you, you could promise me you can send me a dog on letter, put it in my locker and not until I get that bread.

[Isaiah Standback]

I agree. Pay the man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Pay the man. All right, let's take our first break so that way we have plenty of time here for what's coming up on the next side of the segment. It's a little bit of some QB vision. More to come with talking cowboys right after this.

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Patrick Dosie Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Patrick Dosie Walker]

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[Patrick Dosie Walker]

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[Patrick Dosie Walker]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Patrick Dosie Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Patrick Dosie Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick Dosie Walker]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Isaiah Standback]

It's time for QB Vision with Isaiah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Stand back.

[Josh Rodriguez]

All right, guys, here we go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Week 13.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That sounds crazy to say.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, well, it's Thanksgiving.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It is. Giving of thanks. I'm sure Mr. Pickens would love them to be thankfully giving.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

On the way.

[Josh Rodriguez]

How about we hand out some L's? Starting off with the Kansas City Chiefs, though. Okay. Casey's coming to the town. Coming to get that work. Let's talk about their defense. Okay. Where do I see them being most dangerous? What do they do the best? It's a great question. Well, first of all, they have somebody that I have the utmost respect for as their defensive coordinator. And Steve Spagnolo.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yes.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He is amazing.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

He's pretty good, huh?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Mickey Spagnolo?

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, no, no. They're probably related, though.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Different spelling.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's all the same. It's like William and Williams. They're all the same.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Mickey went into witness production.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We're all related. Kyle.

[Isaiah Standback]

Go back in the history books.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Switch a couple.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, he's.

[Isaiah Standback]

He's really good.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I have the utmost respect for him. Yeah, I can Tell you one thing about him. We call him Spags. Okay, let's go. Nobody says Spags is somebody who wants to put you in a situation to get you in third and long. That's. That is like literally the. The. The blueprint for Spags he wants.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

But that's not a good thing for the offense, is it?

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, it's not. I'm just telling you what he wants to do. Okay? This is when Kansas City's most dangerous. Kansas City is most dangerous. When they get you in third and eight, third seven plus, right. That's when they send the dogs after you. Spags wants to light you up. He will send. He has a whole green book full of blitzes and he wants to get after you. That's what he wants to do. They take away the run. That's what they do. Well, they make it very difficult for you to run the ball. And there's a dude in the middle of their defense that makes that a little bit difficult.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Is that number 95? Yeah, he.

[Josh Rodriguez]

95.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Chris Christopher.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Christopher Jones.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah. Big 95. He's a problem when he wants to be.

[Isaiah Standback]

I was going to say he takes.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Place off, he takes plays off. You turn the film on, you can't help but notice the fact that he is somebody. If he doesn't want to be blocked, you can't block him. Not too many guys you can say that about in this league.

[Isaiah Standback]

There's.

[Josh Rodriguez]

There's. There was Aaron Donald years ago, but he didn't take plays off. Chris Jones is. Is like that. Different body type, different build, different. Different techniques for sure. But difference is he takes plays off. He doesn't go 100 all the time. You can frustrate him. You can fluster him to the point where he just literally is just checking the box. You like to get him to that point. But I say all that to say that you have to find some way to get some movement at the line of scrimmage. These guys do a good job at up front of clogging things up.

[Isaiah Standback]

Okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

In terms of their interior lineman consuming your three interior linemen and the things that we've been talking about by our linebackers the last few weeks, which is playing downhill, they do that. These guys fly to the ball downhill. Now, how does that help you? If you can have some form of a consistent running game, some form of. I'm talking about three yards in a cloud of dust here and there, no negative plays. Obviously. You can then get to your play action game. Right? Dak does a really good job of play Action. They don't do a great job against play action quarterbacks. There is plenty of space behind their second level defenders because they're so aggressive in the run defense. Yeah. They want to play downhill, they play fast. This is a fast defense. Let me, let me say that across the board. This is a defense that is, is freaking cojones to the wall. They're going down here. They're trying to hit you right. And they want to stop you at the line of scrimmage so that they can blitz. If you can get their respect and demand their respect for what you're rushing attack, you then could, can kill them in a passing game off of play action. You can literally destroy them. But you have to get to that point, which means that you have to gain that respect in terms of their secondary things that I, or let me, let me work down the line. Chris Jones, 95, somebody I have high regard for. George Carloftis is somebody I used to rant and rave. He's taken not one step back this year. He's taking two steps back. In my opinion, when you turn on the film, he's not, he's not the guy he used to be. He, he used to be in the category of like, not Max Crosby in terms of his productivity, but like a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Second tier edge rusher in the NFL.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yes, but in terms of like just relentless effort. Just, just a absolute madman. That used to be him. I'm not seeing it on film this year. I want to be his fan. I want to cheer for him. You know, not this week, but I don't. I'm not seeing it.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

What are you seeing differently from his performance last year versus this year?

[Josh Rodriguez]

I think his leverage, I think his leverage and his effort, his, his will doesn't seem to be there as much. His will to win those matches. Yeah. So between him and Chris Jones, those are two guys that used to make their defense pretty doggone dominant. And there's a reason why these guys don't have the record that they used to have, because these guys aren't as impactful now at the second level. They got some guys at the second level. Okay, Drew. Tranquil. I like him. I like him. I like the way he plays 23. He plays downhill. Whenever they want to get pressure on third down, you're gonna get pressure. Let's just lay that out there right now. Okay. Third down. I don't care if they're bringing it, they're bringing it. It could be third and 16. They're. It's Spagnolo, it's back, you're getting pressure on third down. So all the fans out there, antennas up on third down, they're bringing somebody, okay? And usually it's five guys. They're gonna bring at least five. Okay? And it'll. Guys will be walked up, they'll drop out. You never know where it's coming from. They do a really good job of disguising where they're bringing pressure at their safeties to the last second. They do inversion. They do match. They do a lot of cool stuff that you don't see from most teams because they don't have the discipline. These guys have the discipline. These guys have the understanding, and they play fast. So at the second level, Drew Tranquil, somebody. I really like Nick Bolton. He's not what he used to be either. I think he's a good player, but he's not as dominant as he used to be. So those are two guys that Bolton I used to cheer for. He's not that man no more at the. In the secondary. Okay. Trent McDuffie, I have no choice but to cheer for him. He's. He's a really good player.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's a uw.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He's a UW guy, but he's also a UW guy who's damn good. He's damn good. He's. He's the one cover guy that I'm like, okay, put some respect on it. Yeah, yeah, put some respect on it. They're gonna. They like to play too high safeties, predominantly, but they really, like I said, they do a great job of disguising. They. I mean, there it is late. Sometimes it's after the snap that they're moving their safeties. But what they're playing isn't always that disguised. It's not that tricky. If they're playing man to man, their corners are looking head up. If they're playing man to man and they're bringing cornerback blitz or nickel, nickel, black back blitz with. With Roland Wallace, then number 30. I know, right? He'll be. He'll be looking up, looking up, and right before the snap, his eye. You'll see his head turn right. A lot of times you'll see DBs with their eyes. And there's really. Quarterbacks are dependent on the receivers to communicate that, hey, his. His eyes have now shifted to you instead of me, right? So a lot of times you'll see receivers line up in a slot, and if somebody's walked out over the. One of the main indicators is a safety kind of will being 12 yards off over the top of that guy so that he can roll down. They do a good job of sitting at safety inside, so it's not as noticeable. But if that guy starts looking in, you need your receivers to communicate the deck.

[Caller]

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Head up, head up, head up. You know, you got. We got. We have a nickelback blitz coming here. Clean that one up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Kind of.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Kind of. Jalen Watson, number 35, Tostitos, Tostitos Plaza. Tostitos Plaza. If he walks upon you, throw the ball up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

For those that may not listen every single day. What is the Tostitos?

[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Isaiah Standback]

Yonder.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, but Tostitos is also Ebonic term for getting. Getting roasted, getting toasted.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

But I will argue Isaiah Sandbag. According to Pro Football Focus, he's ranked number six overall in cornerback Trash.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Ooh. Whoa. Throw it up.

[Isaiah Standback]

He said it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Throw it up. Dak. If you see 35 walked up on any of your receivers, throw it up.

[Isaiah Standback]

Like, throw it up on an empty.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Throw it up, bro. I'm trying to tell you.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

So, like, he's not a very physical cornerback.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No. And he's not the fastest dude in the world either. Right. So he gets beat. So even if they're disguising their coverages, they like to play match. Okay. So I'm done talking about the individuals. Okay. There's not much else. Can I.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can I ask questions about an individual? In a moment.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yes. Yes. One more.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Go for it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

They're. They're safety 27, Chamari Connor. I like him, too.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

If they want to bring pressure, it's gonna be 23 or 27. Those are their blitz guys. So if you're at the line of scrimmage and you want. And you're in a situation that they need to force you into a fourth down or they need to force you Into a long third down, potentially on second. Find 23 or find 27. If you find those guys, most likely, that's probably where the pressure is coming. That's. They're. Those are the hunters on their defense.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

I feel like you could argue the same for Dallas's defense. And number 27, ready Stewart. I mean, it's like this. As soon as he gets with the lines, like, oh, this is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, it's gonna be.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But ready's been the linebacker level. They've been playing ready like a linebacker.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

I like ready.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I really do. I really liked what they're doing with that. They've been playing a five one with ready walk down as a linebacker.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Two things here. First off, that's kind of been Spags whole thing is that weird secondary blitz and where they're going to bring it from. And they always seem to have one or two guys that they can rely on to do that. I mean, you think back just a couple years back, whenever they were winning the Super Bowls, it was different guys popping up and there was the honey badger in the backfield that was doing a couple different things like that. But when they, but they kind of rotate through those guys, it's not just one guy, it's more so the system where those guys are placed that allow.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Them to be successful, they make it harder to diagnose.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Exactly. And so that's something that Dak's going to have to do. The second thing about it is I can't get past. Of course, these two teams don't play a lot. They play every four years, every eight years at home. And so when they play each other, the games stick out in my head. And so I can't get the way that Chris Jones dominated the game against DAK Prescott and company last time out of my hand had three and a half sacks. Back in 20, 21, it was a 19 to nine final score. Just this sloppy game at Arrowhead. If you think back to it, Dallas was 7 and 2 going into that game. They had all sorts of super bowl talk in all the different championship caliber players. And they felt like they had what it took to take on a team that had just come off of a Super bowl instead or super bowl appearance. But instead they got beat pretty handily and kept in check. Mostly because of Chris Jones. Remember, he's got a personal connection with Dak Prescott. They were teammates at Mississippi State and were in the same draft class together as well. So you talked about how they've taken a step back. Carloftis has never played the Cowboys. Chris Jones only his second chance as a starter to play a Cowboys. Are they two guys that even though they haven't played the best this season, that you still have to circle because they've got a, they've got a little bit of a vendetta there against Dallas?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, I mean, they have for different reasons. Yeah. Guys could turn it up or turn it down. Obviously, I'm not sure that George Carloft is in a position to turn it up or turn it down. I don't. I feel as if his overall well being physically isn't what it used to be. You know, I don't think he has the capability to Play the way he used to. I don't think that's more. I don't think that's a decision or on and off type of decision. He doesn't have that character. What I understand, I think is physical limitations in terms of Chris Jones. He is a lights on, lights off type of guy.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay. He. So he can literally. I mean, Cooper BB has to really sure himself. Okay. He got his butt kicked by Jalen Carter this past week. Chris Jones is watching that film. Let's just call it what it is. And Chris Jones is. He lines up as a one technique, but I'm talking about a one technique. That's almost a zero. Like he's, he's on. He is face mask to face mask with the center. So Cooper BB you gotta buckle up, buddy. Buckle up. One thing I wanted to say about their coverage real quick before we get out, before we pass off to the next section here. This is a team that you have to be okay taking the five yard pass. Yeah, Jake. Yeah, Jake. Jake from State Farm, bro.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

You think what they give you, you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Have to be able to get him. Not a sponsor. We don't have any insurance sponsors. You have to be able to. We do. There's a lot of. Keep going. Yeah, yeah. I don't get none of that money, so we need to get. So keep going. Contract life. So get the ball underneath and be okay. Getting the ball underneath. This is a team that you can frustrate Chris Jones, you can frustrate Bolton and all these other guys by just chipping your way down the field. What does that cause Spags to do? Spags does not like that. He wants to get pressure, he wants to blitz, he wants to hit you in the face. They get high off of that, they're going to give up some plays. Okay, you find 35. I'm not saying to not throw towards Trent McDuffie, but just understand that you're putting the ball at risk. He, he's, he's that guy, right? So you take your shots when necessary against him. But you can win over the top on these guys. But it has to be in the play action game. And it has to be when they go single high. When they go single high, make them pay. They want to be too high. And even when their safety is down near the box, they'll roll out and they'll. They'll go to a cover 2. A lot of times they're matching. Okay. Which means that they're playing two man. The outside guys are going to go sit on the inside shoulder of your outside receivers. And these guys are going to kind of be in a trail technique, which means that they're kind of funneling your receivers towards the safeties, right? They're kind of going high, low on them, right? They're kind of trying to squeeze them in like ice cream sandwich. When they're playing single high safety, even if they're playing cover three. Okay. Which means your outside corners have the third. They're going to match your inside receiver. That means that the inside receiver is going to have somebody playing him man coverage. So even their zone defenses are still have. They still have guys playing man technique. So you have to be able to win a contested catches. And they're. When they play single high, their linebackers get depth. I'm talking about 10 yards, 12 yards deep. Take the underneath. You go back and watch the Denver game. RJ Harvey had a number of plays where he literally just came out the backfield, just dumped it to him, caught it, get some yak garage. And like, they just couldn't do anything about it. You can see them looking at each other like, I'm doing my responsibility in this coverage. What the heck am I supposed to do? And Denver's like, thank you, thank you. We'll take this. All this is what you're going to give us? We'll take it. I'll throw three yards and let him run for eight. You have to be okay doing that.

[Isaiah Standback]

I'll tell you. I'll say it after the. After the break, but I have a particular stat that's in my head. I feel like if the Cowboys achieve this particular stat, they win this game.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No. See stat of the week when we come back. Or talking Cowboys right after this.

[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, to borrow from the greatness of the KY stat of the week, just something popped in my head. Not just in when I turned the page to the Chiefs, but in hearing the magnificence of QB Vision Air 5 for my guy, I absolutely kill QB vision as he always does. This game is going to come down to one simple thing for me. Looking at the fact that the Chiefs escaped that win against the Colts because they shut down Jonathan Taylor to the point of having nine run stuffs on 16 of his rushing attempts. That's how they were able to keep the game mostly one dimensional. Spagnuolo was able to pin his ears back more often than not. If Javante Williams plus sprinkle in some Malik Davis. If the Cowboys can rush for at least 85 meaningful yards. Meaningful not garbage time yards. When you're down 14 points in the.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Games that I know saying early and often.

[Isaiah Standback]

Early and often. If the cow Cowboys can rush for a combined 85 yards, maybe sprinkling a touchdown, that's cool. But 85 yards wins you this game on the ground.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

Well they are.

[Isaiah Standback]

It allows you to Chris Jones for example. Chris Jones, he is dynamic when he is locked in. When he starts getting frustrated. When he starts getting frustrated, he starts checking out. Yeah, exactly. So make him check out by being effective on the ground. 85 yards on the ground and I think the Cowboys get away with a win.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

They're three and two. So at least for me in terms of the the run defense, they are ranked eighth overall in run defense. They are averaging about 97.6 yards per game. I think 85, I'm okay with that. Meaningful early in the game that would be clutch. But one of the telltale signs for me their length is ranked 11th overall in past defense. But over the last three weeks they've given up 240 plus yards in each of those games. But you're, I'm, I'm saying, I'm saying that like if you're leaning on, like we're talking about, you want to get the run involved early and often.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You have to, you have to set it up.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

And I think Dak Prescott going up against Steve Spagnolo and Kyle has to start right now going up against Steve Spagnola. How has Dak Prescott favored in the past?

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's 3 and 2. He lost those two games when he was the defensive coordinator in New York with the Giants as a rookie. So the two games that he lost there were both as a rookie or. No, he's two and three. Excuse me, the. So he lost those two. He won in, in 2017, two games against the Giants. So 2016, two losses, 2017, two losses and then the one in 21. Whereas is the only time that Spagnola has been on the Kansas City staff plan against Dak Prescott. So two and three against Spagna.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

I think with Dak on a heater here after throwing 300 plus yards in this last game, I think of course you want to set up the run, but I expect Dak to have a big game. I really do. And I hope George Pickens is, is ready for it. And of course CD Lamb as well.

[Isaiah Standback]

I mean I'm looking at it right here. First two, just going by the losses for the Kansas City Chiefs first loss was against the the Chargers. And the Chargers had a combined, I want to say 89 rushing yards. They lost to the Eagles in a close one. Eagles won by three, but Saqu 88 yards averaged 4 yards per carry. Let's see this going back through. Their next loss was against the Jacksonville Jaguars. So they broke the 100 yard mark. The Jacksonville Jaguars did on the ground. And Buffalo Bills, they lost to the Bills by a touchdown. James Cook 114 again. So you're seeing a trend here. If you can get at least 85, preferably 100, you always want to get 100 yard game on ground. But if you can get. I don't, I don't want to make the bold prediction and say Javante Williams is going to go out there against this defense and run for 125. But if you get 85 meaningful yards, you do it early, you do it often. You do it with a chunk play here or there, make them respect it, then feel pretty good. Then you can expose everyone in the secondary whose last name is not McDuffie.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'm I am okay with us not getting 85 as long as we run at least eight screens.

[Isaiah Standback]

Okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You know, I mean, like. Like understand this. Yeah. So, like, I treat screens and most teams do. Right. As run plays. So if I can get the ball out to a quick swing screen out to Javante Williams.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Or Malik Davis or whoever it is. Right. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's not going to be hard.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Receiver. Receivers, please. Receivers be receivers. Don't. Not running back. Not running backs, but not running back. Those are. Those are quick hitters that get us outside of the box where they're most dominant and you get out on the edge. And now you're just asking your receivers to block. Right. And you can steal. You're stealing five yards. What is five yards to you? It's a run play.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, it's a.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's a.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

It's a.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's a highly accurate run play to get you out of their strongest point and get you out to their weakest point, which is out on the edges. I truly think if you run eight to ten screenplays against this team and you have success with it now, there's always going to be one or two that might get stuffed. Right?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But I'm taking the over, especially with now Jonathan mean go back. Right. His ability to be out there on the edge. I'm taking the over with our ability to be able to have a consistent screen game that actually acts as our run game. Now, I'm not saying that you completely abandon the run, but what I'm saying is if there's a freaking brick wall, let's just understand that it's a brick wall. Do we try to find a weak spot in the brick wall? Of course. But ultimately it's still a freaking brick wall. Right. So you take what you can get. Right. If I. There's a wall here and it's soft over there. I'm going to the drywall. I'm not going. I'm not going to keep hitting the dog on brick wall. Let's go to the drywall. Right. That's softer. Exactly.

[Isaiah Standback]

Unless you're Kool Aid. Shouts out the Cowboys social team.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That was funny sensation. That was good. If you haven't checked it out yet, Dak is Koolade man. Running through a brick.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Of the Philadelphia Eagles. We've got to get some. Some calls. It is a talking Tuesday. 888-855-2297. Give us a call.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Call me now. Sorry, Kyle. I'm off.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I say it. Stand back. Wake up.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's a. It's a short week, buddy. I'm trying to not, I'm trying to cram all this information.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Unbelievable.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You fumble in the bag.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Give us a call. 888-855-2297. Guard me now. Let's go to Dano in Florida, our first caller here on Talking Tuesday. Hey, Dano, you got us.

[Caller]

Hey guys, how are you?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Great. How are you?

[Caller]

Anytime you beat the pigeons, it's a great week.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Blanket.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, it is.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

That's the thing. Thanksgiving.

[Caller]

I got a couple observations more than anything else. First of all, you know, at the draft last year when they drafted Tyler Booker, number one, I was like, okay, that's to take on, you know, those, the beast in the east, those D tackles with the Giants and, and the Eagles. And I'm going to tell you something, I watched, I've watched the game twice already and he totally destroyed Jalen Carter. He did. He took him to the woodshed. He, he really was something. It was impressive to see what he did. I thought. The other thing is Ferguson, I know early in the year everybody was talking about, you know, he caught 13 balls in a game or whatever the case was, but you know, he'd catch a three yard out and he, you know, we gained four yards on it. This was the first, first game I thought were the, he played with violence, a real level of violence and it was fun to watch. I just thought it was great. The other thing, in terms of the defense, boy, Williams, what, what a difference up front he's making. Yeah, I mean the linebackers are playing better. Aubershawn is, he's just a beast. I like, I like Lloyd's addition and I'm a big believer that Murray should not really be on the field that much, that the person that should be on the field is the kid from Florida. I just think he's, he brings more to the table. And you know, I just want to go back to the tragedy of a few weeks ago. I went through a very similar situation in college. We were playing in a, the semifinals of a national championship game the week after Thanksgiving. We had to be back the Friday after Thanksgiving and you walk into the quad at 2 o' clock and there's a bunch of people sitting around crying and crying and, you know, wailing like there was no tomorrow. And you find out that the captain of the basketball team had been killed in a car accident down in Monticello. And you know, we were kids, you know, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 year old kids, and we just didn't handle that well. It was really hard. They didn't bring in therapists or anything. That wasn't a thing back then. But I just wanted to throw that out here because I thought the Cowboys have handled it just so, so well. I mean, you know, they deserve all the credit in the world for the way they handled it, the way that the team came around, the way the front office handled it. So I just want to throw that out to you folks. Hey, you guys have a happy Thanksgiving and we'll talk soon.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thanks, Dano. Appreciate the call, especially that final part. Yeah, it was good and I completely agree. I think you got to give a lot of credit to the resources that this staff and that this front office have given the players over the last three weeks now since it certainly happened with Marshawn Nyland. And it's never going to go away. And I think we've seen that over the last two weeks. It's still very much so a topic of conversation and a point of motivation and a point of, of sadness for a lot of these guys. I mean, they're missing their brother during the last two games when they're winning. They should have him right there with them and to a certain extent he is right there with them, but just not physically.

[Isaiah Standback]

And they promise to play relentless football to honor him. And here we are two games in and done that. We're seeing it. They had a stumble, obviously several to start against the Eagles, but boy, they, they looked over at that jersey, they looked over that flag that OSA brought them to the field at 94 and they're doing it for 94. So rest well, brother. They are. They're playing their hearts off.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, the, the other points that, that Dan O. Made, there's a lot of them there. Anyone that stuck out to you specifically that you want to keep on talking about here?

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

No, I thought he had great points. I mean, I love what he said about Quinn Williams. Of course, he's a difference maker.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Game about the Jamar James over.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

That is a little too early for me because I like what, what Kenneth Murray's doing now that he has a little more help up front guys around him. I mean, he recovered a fumble for you. He's a good heads up player.

[Josh Rodriguez]

PBU the week prior, past breakup the week earlier.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

I think he's a solid veteran to have in the lineup currently and I think he's only helping your other guys. He's helping demo. He's helping basically clean up a lot of things for you that it might not be bouncing off of the tape or not be Spotlighting off the tape. But to me I think it's good to have the veteran presence out there and I think Shemar James is learning from a guy like that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Do we have time for a quick call?

[Kyle Yeomans]

We have one more. Mike in New York, you're on the line. What up, Mike?

[Caller]

What's going on guys? I wanted to give first, obviously Cowboys on Sunday, that was slight. That was, that was resilience and fight like down 21 points. That's just like everybody's like, oh, they're not going to come back. I'm like, the Cowboys are going to make adjustments at halftime and I, I give it to our defense because they really, you know, shut out a team like that in the second half and then, you know, offense picked it up and stuff. And Pickens was phenomenal. Cd I think you have a bounce back game. He just had one of them games. He had an off day. It's. It happened, you know, unfortunately, you know, it's like you always pick on 88. I'm like, well, you know it's going to happen. It's going to just going to happen. You're going to have an off day. It happens, you know, it's going to, you know, one player plays good and the other doesn't. So it's just one of those things that's going to happen. Wish you guys have happy holidays as well. So how good?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, thank you, buddy. I think one of the things he said there is they made adjustments at halftime. But Isaiah, I'll give you credit, on the post game show you were saying they made adjustments before halftime. Getting the score to Pickens right before the break was big. But also the defense, the way that they were playing at the end of the second quarter was kind of indicative of what we would see as time went on.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, they made their adjustments and that's why scoring before the half was so important because it wasn't, wasn't much that they were, were doing necessarily incorrectly, at least offensively. It was just that they were just making too many doggone mistakes. Right. So they weren't being stopped. They were being self inflicted wounds. I know that's always a very argumentative point there when you're facing an opponent that's kicking your butt. But they, they figured it out, they stopped the bleeding and they progressed forward. Defensively, they started making adjustments in terms of stop playing off so doggone much. That was, that was the thing that was killing them. They were playing off coverage. It's killed them all year long. I'm hoping that that changes. I'm hope I know that Eber flu season. I just think that he's more so in the mindset of bend but don't break type of defense at this point in time and I think you've seen a minimum. I think you've seen that minimized. But when teams are getting the big plays now, it's because it's just an amazing play. It's not so because it was busted coverage. So I think he's okay with that. I'm not okay with teams being able to go throw the ball and get seven yards of pop. That's what I'm not okay with.

[Isaiah Standback]

I think it was fantastic points that he made. First and foremost. I can't stress enough exactly how freaking fun that was to witness and I will point it out until the end of time because that just doesn't expire. You you got took 21 0. You still got took. But that being said, I love what you guys are saying and I love what he said. In fact of the matter is the Cowboys did have halftime adjustments that went out and clamped them on defense and still took a little bit for the office to get going. They did get the George Pickens touchdown right before halftime. But I will say going against the Chiefs when your defense is playing as well as this defense started playing in the second half against the Eagles and you see punt, punt, punt and your offense goes out and you know, punt, punt, turnover, like that can happen. So finally they were able to get things going. But I like that this defense is showing me it can give you chances and get the ball back into the hands of Dak Prescott and the offense now going against the Kansas City Chiefs when your defense does that, you better score the damn football.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes you do.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And you cannot. And I repeat, I know, we'll talk about it tomorrow. You can't play off versus versus these guys. Yeah, like this is not the offense to be playing eight yards off.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'd be like, you get up there.

[Patrick Dosie Walker]

They will but they're fast, Isaiah, they.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Will run a 20 play drive and be okay with it. Like there's any reason. Like that's what you want to give us. Fine, we'll take it.

[Isaiah Standback]

There's a standing lab coat tomorrow about the offense in that pass attack. That goes to Isaiah's point. But you got to tune in tomorrow.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We've got lab coat, we've got get your popcorn ready. We've got pickums tomorrow. There's a lot going on in tomorrow's show. Isaiah is going to wake up a little bit better tomorrow.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'm cramming.

[Isaiah Standback]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's going to be okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Cram week.

[Isaiah Standback]

Three whips.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We're going to be okay.

[Isaiah Standback]

Three whips.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Strike three. You're get the bat off your shoulder.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Isaiah, take a swing for Patrick Noi Walker. Josh Rodriguez. Isaiah, stand back. Who did a great job on QBV Division today? Oh, that was fun.

[Isaiah Standback]

I will say.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He'll leave your hand. He almost whipped on it there. 4 Kyrie El we'll see you tomorrow with more Talking Cowboys. Thanks for watching.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Have 270 degrees this has been a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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