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It in for the touchdown.
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And now your hosts, Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans. It's a victory Monday here on Talking Cowboys, presenting by Black Rifle Copy company live from the Star in Frisco, Texas in the SWBC studios. Welcome in, everybody.
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We've got kind of the whole crew.
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Ready for you to rock.
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Yeah.
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Tommy Yarish filling in for Patrick no see Walker. Ty, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. So glad you're with us. The Cowboys take down the Commanders on Christmas day. Hope you had a phenomenal holiday. Hope you had time with your family, time with the loved ones and had some time to watch the Cowboys beat down the Commanders for the second time.
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Yes.
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This year it's a swept. Cowboys go five and one in the division.
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Right.
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Get swept.
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I mean, four and one and they play one. They play one this way.
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So five and one.
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Yeah.
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Maybe I am projecting that Giants team is Pepe Le Pew, whereas Isaiah would say they are dry. Ish. And we'll preview that as we get later into the week. But welcome back, Tommy. It's been a minute since we had you on the show.
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Yeah, it has been a while.
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Thomas Yarish.
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Miss Thomas.
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Miss. No see too.
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I love you, man. Merry Christmas.
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Merry Christmas, everybody.
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Have a good Christmas so far?
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Yeah, it was lovely, Kyle.
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I say so far because I feel like people are still celebrating.
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Oh, heck yeah, man. Absolutely.
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I've got a family Christmas tonight. Like the like with everybody kind of like separated and with the. The game being right in the middle of it, we just kind of like pushed it back.
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It's still Christmas for a lot of people.
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Some people.
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Because, you know, there's always that family members like, well, your gift's going to be here on Monday.
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Yep.
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So just if you just wait on. You know, he's got one of those people. So. Yeah, Christmas still happened for a lot of people. And some people had to work.
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Yep.
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Some people had to work.
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How was travel?
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I'm not complaining.
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Yeah.
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It's always. It's always blessing. It was good. I was happy we were back so that there could be some semblance of it. I got home at like 10 o' clock and that was enough to still open.
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Okay.
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Presents.
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Open some presents.
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Yeah.
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Guys had to work pre game, live, early Christmas Day. No.
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Yeah, we were here.
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You love giving away industry secrets.
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What do you mean, dude?
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You love giving away industries.
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I don't know what you're talking about. You guys were here, man. And that's like the number one no.
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No in media is to talk about and pull the curtain back without telling anybody.
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I'm not breaking any fourth walls. You guys.
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Yeah, you kind of are.
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You guys were here.
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Well, we had a freaking robot on the show.
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Yeah, we did a robot on the show.
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I was very disappointed the robot did not attack Kyle.
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His name was Benji.
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I was hoping Benji could like, throw some punches or something at you.
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Dude. Isaiah, like, bowing up to the robot was a highlight of my year.
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Yeah.
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Like, so I. Hold on now.
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Benji tried to walk one.
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He did.
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He did. I don't know how many times Benji ran up on a real one before.
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Oh.
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Saying he grew up in Washington. He would know. He would know better.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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That robot.
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What'd you say that. Okay, Kyrie. Oh, Kyrie. You see that robot? Yeah. Same type of robots. Almost like the same model of robot. I tried to get Nate to block it. I wanted Nate to block the robot.
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Listen, you break the robot and they.
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Were like, go for it. You can do it. And Nate was like, I'm not doing it.
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I was like, okay, that's Benji's only like 4 foot 5. Not even 4 foot maybe.
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What are you got his measurables on you?
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I don't know. He didn't look like he was heavy.
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Enough to handle push runs a 540.
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The way he walked around the studio was clank, clank, clank, clank. I mean, he was heavy. Got some. Got some girth to him for sure. All right, let's get into some news and notes. Tommy Yarish.
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Don't know how to set away from that, but all right. Kyle.
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Yeah.
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Thanks, Kyle. Welcome back. Now, biggest news is their week 18. There's no way to segue from that. Biggest news is Cowboys Week 18 game against the Giants will be Sunday at noon. It could have been Saturday, but they're keeping the two playoff games. I think both of them are. One of them is winning in. The other is for the 1 seed, I think, in 49ers and Seahawks. I don't know if it's to clinch the one seed, but it's an important game for the one seed.
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Was there, like a legit realistic chance they put Dallas on Saturday there?
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They've only played on Saturday once since.
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They'Ve started doing it.
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It was the first year since they started doing this. This is four straight years of playing on Sunday. The only reason I would think maybe is if there was number one pick implications, which there still are, but not in the Dallas game. They would have to put the Raiders game on as well. If the Raiders win in the Giants lose, I think the Giants get the number one overall pick. So I think both of those games will be noon games on Sunday. And so Dallas closing out on the road at noon. That's your biggest piece of news and notes for that. And then other than that, I'm trying to think if there was anything.
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It was a quiet weekend, man.
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Yeah, very quiet weekend. You know, we'll see. The biggest thing we'll find out either today or tomorrow is whether or not Dak Prescott's gonna play.
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Yeah.
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I think you. When you listen to Brian Schoenheimer after the game, he got asked about it and he was like, yeah, I'm just going to go drink some eggnog and then we'll decide on that later. I don't see any reason why Prescott plays in this game. I mean, he got hit six times. He got sacked six times. He got hit 11 more last week. I just don't think it's worth it. I don't think he should have played the last.
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Yep.
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Two games.
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There it is.
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Every snap that he had in the second half. I know. I heard Isaiah, you know, like, disturbance in the force. I heard Isaiah go, no.
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I mean, we were in studio, and every time he even remotely was chased down, both of us were just like this.
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Yeah. It's like, don't take the chance.
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Why?
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Why?
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Yeah. Dexter Lawrence.
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Here's my thing, right? In today's NFL, the backup quarterback position is so important because you just never know. You never know. Look at all these teams around the NFL that have had to lean on backups. And I mean Philip Rivers for one instance. And if you're going to have a guy that is behind Nak Prescott, who, looking at his history, has suffered injuries in certain seasons, you need somebody that's had games under his belt. The Cowboys don't have that anymore. And Cooper Rush, who was that for so long? Joe Milton hasn't started a game yet in his NFL career. Maybe. Maybe the one in New England. I don't know if that was a start, but nonetheless, the guy needs the reps I think he should have gotten in the last couple of weeks.
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I mean, would you feel differently if Dak Prescott played one series and then gave his Joe Milton?
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I don't. I don't see why he. I understand what you're saying.
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So that he can start all 17 games.
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That.
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Yeah.
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From his perspective, he wants.
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That's, that's. I would be fine with that.
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Yeah.
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But I think at the same time, every in game rep that you can give Joe Milton is incredibly valuable.
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Absolutely.
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Do you play any into the factor and we'll see how many yards he needs by the end of tonight because the Rams played tonight. But the top two passers in the NFL right now are Dak Prescott and Matthew Stafford. There has never been a Cowboys quarterback that has led the NFL in passing. You guys already know my answer. I don't care. Put him on the sideline. Let's win in 2026. But do you feel like there's anything that plays into that from a player standpoint with a chance to lead the league in passing for the first time, not only in his career, but in his franchise's history?
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Kyle, I'm gonna say no. He's making $60 million.
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Okay, but is that the realistic answer or is that the common sense?
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If I'm making $60 million, that's all I care about.
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Sit down.
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$60 million in no playoffs. I'll just take the 60.
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Thank you.
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Appreciate you very much.
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Again, as a competitor. Yeah, obviously. But as a. Being a. Looking at it from a realistic standpoint, no, I don't think so. It's not worth it. Not with this pass rush that you're gonna face.
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I think you give him the series. I. Especially if it's up to him and he's making the decision for himself. I want to start all 17 games. Give him a series.
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What does that do for him, huh?
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That lets him start all 17 games.
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I'll give him a snap.
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Give him a snap.
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Give him a snap. Run the ball to take Vonte.
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Just take a knee. Literally, like second and 11 start the.
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Game, run the ball to Javante and then get out of there.
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Honestly, I'll take it, but I will not. I'll. I want him off the field, obviously. But I understand from the. Like you said, the competitive standpoint. Dak Prescott vocally has been saying, you know, I'm playing these games, so I get it.
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But he wants to be.
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I don't like it.
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He wants to be there. I believe it was Ryan Clark who had some commentary on it on a national.
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Ryan Clark, how he listened to our seven copied me, bro.
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It was very similar to what Isaiah was saying. I think he did actually listen.
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Yeah. The.
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But what he was saying was mirroring what you said last week, Isaiah, which is there's no reason.
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Sit your down.
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Yeah. Protect you.
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Protect yourself from player.
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From himself.
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That's why he definitely listened to talking Cowboys.
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He said that. Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yes.
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That's one of the things that I disagree with Brian on was that decision of Schopenheimer. Yeah, yeah. Is to play that playing back the last two games. Really?
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For what I get playing him against the Chargers, I get playing against the Charger. Sure, they were prepping the whole week. They were planning on possibly being in the playoff scenario, but that should have been the final chance, final hoorah. And now that it hasn't been and you've turned around and you've ended on a high note. He played well. I mean, he didn't play his best game of all time. We'll get to that in a moment.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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But.
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But if he still won the game, go.
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All right.
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If you play him this week, how can you stand by anything that you said this previous week, which is whatever Coach Schenheimer said in regards to his justification for playing Dak and the rest of the superstars on his team. You had nothing to gain, Right? So if you had nothing to gain this previous week, why would you then turn and change your mind all of a sudden? In what you say is, screw that.
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Well, you have nothing to gain. But like Tommy just illustrated you have something to gain in giving Joe Milton.
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No, no, absolutely. I'm saying, like, if the reason last week wasn't good enough to. To. To sit Dak, then why would it be good enough this. This coming week? You understand what I'm saying? Like, yeah, situation's the same.
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Yeah, I see what you're saying. It's the last game of the season. That would be my. My only kind.
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There's no change 1 Games on Christmas Day.
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That means freaking Absolutely.
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That's what it comes to.
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It comes to the politics of sports. That's what it comes down to, the politics of sports. Let's be real. There are politics and sports people. There's money that tells you that you have to do certain things. Right? Right. So that's what happened. You were playing on Netflix. That's the difference.
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Christmas Day, Christmas Day. Now your next game is noon on Sunday, amongst what, 10 other games are going to be at noon on Sunday. I think I just wish that they.
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Would call it what it is. Like, hey, listen, we have obligation to play, you know, whatever. Just call it what it is. Maybe they will.
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Maybe the Jones family, when they're on the fan this week or they're talking to whoever, they'll say, yeah, you know what? We felt like we needed to do it.
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I just wish the people we had.
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To compete with, stranger things.
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I just wish people would be more transparent. We understand the risk. There's risk every time we touch the field. All of our players, we don't want anybody to ever get hurt. But the reality is we have obligation to, you know, to NFL fans, especially on Christmas Day, to go out there and give them their primetime players.
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Right.
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And be done.
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It's ridiculous that you have to sort of succumb to, like, the. The obligations of being on, you know, Netflix and everything. Anyways, the Gambler and his Cowboys, now streaming. Be sure to check it out.
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And America's Team, the story of the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders, also.
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Yes, also on Dallas covers.
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Somebody in the chat, I don't want to give them the attention because they're kind of troll spamming here, but he's saying quitter mentality. I've heard that around in different areas. In regard of wanting to sit. Dak, how can you build a culture while wanting to sit? Deck. And there's a simple answer to that, Isaiah. I'll let you take.
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Yeah, what do you gain? Like, and first of all, I'm there. I'm like, I don't get personal. What do you gain? Dak has proven everything in his league, correct? He's literally. Except from the ring. The ring is not attainable anymore. It's not this year, it's not attainable. You can't get the ring. So if you can't get the ring, why would you subject your superstar players that are your largest assets on your team? Why would you subject them to any danger? You wouldn't. You absolutely wouldn't. If it was your kid, would you do it? Heck, no. Get your butt over here. And sit down. Like for what? Like for what? I don't even know how people can even justify it in their mind that it's the same thing. Cross this freeway, you can get a billion dollars. I'm getting across that freeway. Hey, crosses fear freeway is a dollar. Yeah. No, I'm probably not going to. It's not worth it. It's not worth it. You gain nothing.
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Yeah.
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If anything, you lose. You could lose everything, right? You could. Absolutely. If he gets hurt now, your chance at that ring is you must write.
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It off for next year.
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Gone in 2020.
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It's a gift that you walked out of this previous game without any major injuries.
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Yes.
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It is an absolute, it is a godsend that you walked out of that.
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Game without any injuries because they were coming after him.
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Absolutely.
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All day long.
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And not even just him. Everybody, right? Every game, every snap, you're subject to injury.
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Yes. You can happen anywhere.
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You can non contact coach could say.
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Kyle, get in the game. You could take your first stride and pop, tear your Achilles. That's how, that's how easy injuries can happen.
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Remember the Super Bowl, San Francisco right off the, right off the sideline, wasn't even in the game.
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Absolutely. So everybody can get hurt. So as an organization, as organization management, you have assets, right? You have 53 assets over there that are your primaries. You got other guys that are on the practice squad as well. What are my most influential assets that I must protect?
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Dak Prescott.
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Dak Prescott is definitely at the top of the dog on totem pole.
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Yep.
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Right. CD Lamb. Okay, then you got the, you got the Quinn and Williams. Yeah.
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Right.
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You got Tyler Smith. There's just certain guys, they're all teammates, some are more valuable than others. Cornerstone is what they like to say around here. Yeah, right. Cornerstone pieces. Certain guys you have to protect and they, if they, if they're like, okay, coach, I will sit down then. You probably don't want them on your team. You want guys that are going to push back. You want guys that want to be out there. You want them to be competitive. You want them to say all the right things. Yes, yes, yes. Those are all culture building, influential things. But as a organization and as management, I must manage you. Right. To ensure that you protect yourself from you. And if you're not going to do it, I'll do it. You're not going to do it. So I have to do it for you. Sit down.
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And it's been said in the past, like when Mike McCarthy was here and just with Dak Prescott, overall, people have Talked about like, yeah, this is a guy who works so hard that sometimes we need to, like, tell him to calm down a little bit. Like, we need to at times rein him back in because he will go the extra mile. And I think that if we're talking about culture here, that alone tells you you're in a good place. The fact that Dak Prescott has played these last two games tells you you're in a good place. He says this game, there's no effect on the culture. It's not going to change. Yeah, it's not going to change anything about the culture. And the whole quitting thing, what are you quitting from?
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There is.
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They are not going to the playoffs. There is nothing to play for, quote, unquote. So you're not really quitting from anything. And then I saw somebody say, oh, where you're paying him $60 million. That is exactly why you sit him. That's exactly why you sit him. Because like you said, Kyle, if you go into next year with an injured Dak Prescott, you don't have him at training camp. You don't have him until, what, week five of the season or something. Forget about it. It's not going to happen.
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Get about it.
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Forget about it.
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The chat is backing us up in this regard. I pretty heavily forget about it. And you're paying him $60 million not to finish 17 games. That's not what you paid him for. You paid him to give him. Give yourself a shot to win championships. That's what you're paying that Prescott for.
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Which is gone.
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Not here in 2020.
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It's not happening.
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We'll do it in 2026 or try to in 2026. All right, when we come back, let's talk about the game a little bit.
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Yes.
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Defense showed some things in the back half of that game that I thought was interesting. Maybe even some guys playing into contract spots which will outline some of those guys. And then the offense, of course, started hot and had a couple really impressive drives. Can they continue that momentum into 2026? We'll talk about that when we return with more talking Cowboys after this.
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How's it going?
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You see that Cowboys game?
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Oh, I watched. Been seeing some good things.
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Totally.
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They have some talent.
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Yup.
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Some great talent.
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And they got some fight.
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Hoping this is the year.
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Me too.
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I'm Travis.
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Nice to meet you, Travis. Go Cowboys.
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Go Cowboys.
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Hey, yeah.
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I can't believe he ate the whole.
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Thing of chicken wings. And I can't believe we're staging a comeback. Touchdown.
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Yes.
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Back to talking cowboys. Back here on Talking Cowboys. This segment is brought to you by Invisalign. The official smile of the Dallas Cowboys. Glad to have Tommy Yarish in studio with Josh Rodriguez. Isaiah Stamback. It is I in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Cowboys win on Christmas Day, 30 to 23. The final score, Cowboys really controlled this football game from the jump. 13 Play drive to start ended in a touchdown. 17 Playing play drive to start ended in a touchdown. And then they kind of kept the commanders at arm's length from that point forward up until the final few possessions dominated. Time of possession, 38 minutes and 44 seconds.
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Wasn't there a movie in get your popcorn last week? Where we may have, I don't know, bold predicted, bold predictions.
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We were being bold.
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A Terp saves Christmas movie.
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I certainly do remember this. Yes.
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Should we do it in honor of Patrick not being.
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I think we need to do it today and then first thing tomorrow. Like how we played the the Sounder to open the show. Yeah, I think we need to play it tomorrow when Pat is back because.
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He can't get away from this.
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Nobody. Yes, nobody tell Pat anything. Keep it quiet. Don't let him know. Don't slide up in the DMs.
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What are you talking about?
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I'm talking about this Beamer. Are you paying attention?
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Tag nabbit. He's on the toilet.
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Yeah, I'm paying attention. I just try to find it.
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He's got an iPad he's got a screen or a Lenovo tablet Rolodex, yeah, that's it. Quick as the flash they call me tripping time Wide receiver dreams I'm a yardage gold mine Kickoff returner streaking through the skyline a blur in the field can't catch this lifeline turbo burns hot but my move, stay icy the boys in the back, yeah, they hype me nicely Speed so sick call it lightning spicy they chase shadows but they'll never slice me Turby, turby speed, speed zoom, zoom no one can lead the torpedo don't conceive Christmas we almost heard a turp Turvy speed, speed Come on, man.
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I had it in the post game.
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Did you?
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Oh, that's my boy.
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I will never fail to put it in the postgame read. And that's just for a love for the talking Cowboys fan.
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That's right.
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Turbo Terp is not going to happen, Patrick. I'm sorry. The people have decided. The people have decided. It's turpy. Turpy. Speed.
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Speed. They going right. It is.
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Anyways, I just sh. Quick shout out to that predicted the commodity Turpid touchdown. Granted, I said it was fourth quarter, but the offense played like that was the fourth quarter. Stop playing after that.
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That's part of the problem.
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Pretty true.
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Yeah.
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Looks great in the first half. Did everything they wanted to and then had the big play. 86 yards. And then after that it was not.
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What a throw by Dak though, huh?
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He missed a couple of those.
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He had a bad day. I mean, arguably he had a bad day.
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Yeah, I think you. I think you could.
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And he threw for over 300 yards, but that was like a poor performance.
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And he said it.
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As poor of a performance as you'll get from Dak in the year 2025.
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He mentioned it in the post game press conference. He said I missed some throws. He said. The first one that I thought of when he said that was the CD Lamb throw where CD had two guys beat over the top by four yards each. And he under threw it. And he said in the middle of the throw, I was already disappointed in myself. He knew he didn't leave enough on it. I was like, okay, so at least you knew. At least he sees it and he can improve upon it.
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Commander giving him fits. And something that Isaiah's alluded to this season is that Dak's ability to get the deep ball out there, the velocity. The velocity.
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The zip.
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Velocity. No Raptor. No, it's. It's true. I. I hope. I hope that they allow him to sit this last game so that he can go on vacation and enjoy his family and then he can get back stronger. Because the velocity has not been there this season. It just hasn't. That's not an indictment on him. It just is not what it. What it was. And understandably, because he's coming off of a hamstring injury that would limit his ability to throw as strongly as ferociously as he once was able to. So he needs some time. He needs some time, so hopefully he's able to get some of that back. And you, you know, as a passer, when it's just not there, you know, I mean, like you, you know, it's not there. And that is A part of his game with these weapons that he has to get back.
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Yeah, he's not as much drive now as he is just kind of finesse and touch. I think we've seen that a lot with some of the Crossers to CD and Pickens this year. And then on his deep balls, he's not necessarily trying to, like you said, drive and put it 100 miles an hour downfield. He's trying. He's getting it up and letting guys run underneath it and.
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Which leads to a lot of pass. What is it, defensive pass interferences and.
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Yeah, no. If the ball is hanging up there in the air, that's a tough spot for DBs to be in. So to a degree, there's an advantage to that. I don't know about you guys, but I think we saw some. I think we saw some Marty ball from the younger shot.
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You think so?
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On. On Thursday.
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How so?
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There was time of possession just. I mean, those. Those first three drives felt like forever.
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It was awesome.
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Five minutes, 18 seconds, seven and a half minutes. The quick drive with Turpin, But I think they had four drives that lasted longer than five minutes. That's pretty good. And I think the. The only thing that you get concerned about is, number one, still the defense, and number two, why can't the offense continue to score points in the second half? I think in this game, it was a mixture of penalties, and Washington's passers started to get home. Johnny Newton had an unbelievable game.
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Three sacks, right?
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He had, I think, two and a half.
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They counted.
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I think they counted one as a half sack, but they. They have. They've worn down. Instead of wearing other teams down, which we've seen them do at points this year. And so is it just. Hey, it's week 17. I don't know, but it's been going on for a couple weeks now, so I think that's. That would be what you're concerned about, and that's what you're looking to get, right?
A
I see three here. He had three sacks.
E
Three.
A
Yeah, he had him now.
C
Newton did.
E
What do I know?
A
Yeah.
C
Good for. I mean, he had a great game.
A
He did.
C
The whole defensive line had a great game.
A
You.
C
You really liked what you were seeing. I mean, as a Cowboys fan, you didn't like it. But them tightening up in the second half was alarming to me because the defense was starting to get. I mean, the defense just wasn't great, basically the whole game.
F
Right.
C
And you kind of let him hang around for a while, and it was getting real Testy there, especially in the fourth. And early in the fourth, you're like, are you kidding me, man? Like they're really going to.
A
It was right when moody hit the 23 yard or right before the end of the third.
C
Yeah.
A
And it was like, okay, now they're within striking distance. And that was where I didn't think the defense played poorly. I know they weren't perfect.
C
If that was any other quarterback other than Josh Johnson, you would be in.
A
Kind of where I was leaning is, did they play well? No. Did they play great? No. Did they do what they needed to do against a bad offense and a team that struggled significantly on the offensive side? Yeah, I think they did. They gave up 23 points and 328 yards. Like that's a normal game against.
E
So. So Josh Johnson led offense. He had this 10th career start in the last nine. He didn't. The team that he started for did not score more than 21 points.
A
Okay, so maybe not as good of a.
E
No, it just wasn't good.
C
That's a terrible day.
A
He went 15 of 23 for a buck 98. And no touchdowns, no interceptions. That's Johnson's stat line.
E
He looked incredibly Corey.
A
They gave up the chunk plays to Jakore, Crosky, Merritt. Yep. Like the 72 yard touchdown. That's inexcusable. You shouldn't be able to do that. Outside of that, I thought it was okay.
C
I mean, outside of that, they had a really good day against the run.
B
Yeah.
C
And that was one of the things that Washington thought they could lean on all day. And early on that pro proved not to be the factor for them. They had to air it out because. And the unfortunate part is that they were able to start airing it out after a while. Beamer was telling me just before we started the show. Is that 40%. No, sorry. 20% of all of Washington's plays were sponsored splash plays. So every four plays.
A
Yeah. That's bad.
C
They had a big play.
A
20.
C
21 of.
A
One of every five plays.
D
Yeah.
B
23.
A
23.
C
Crazy.
B
Wow.
A
Yeah, that's pretty big because even look at Debo.
C
Explosive plays.
A
Debo had a 41 yarder and where he decided to destroy Donovan Wilson.
C
Oh, my God.
A
On the sidelines, Jakori Crosky. Merritt had the 72 yarder. Samuel had a 29 yard rush.
C
What did that sound like in the press box to you guys? Like, what was that?
E
Oh, he got worked. That was.
C
Was there any cheering in the press box?
E
Not for me.
C
That's good.
E
No, not for Me.
A
What about from Washington?
C
Yeah, yeah.
E
I didn't hear anything. We heard like, the folks that are stats, like, they're down from us and you can hear them like, all right, 26 run, so and so on.
A
So you just heard that the whole time?
E
We were basically hearing that more or less the entire time.
A
So your thoughts, Isaiah, on the way that the Cowboys defense performed in that game?
B
It wasn't great. It was more of the same. Didn't matter where Evil Foolish was sitting. Pass rush is still Pepe Le Pew. Secondary still playing soft tackling wasn't great. It was more the same.
A
I liked what we saw from one guy. Club 42 member Javian Clown.
B
He's been consistent ever since. He got his feet underneath him, though. So, I mean, Judevian Clowney is a mercenary. He's a hired assassin. That's what he is. And he needed about three games to get it. His feet under him. It was good to hear him talk about, you know, how next year he's going to be playing, whether it's here or somewhere else, but he's going to be playing.
C
Sign that dude.
B
And that he wants to go to training camp. That is something that you don't hear from veterans that play for 12 years. So, you know, he seems to be a. A sound player both on the field and in the locker room. Sounds to be like a good addition to this team. I'm not sure of his locker room presence and his. His effect in the meeting room. I can't speak to that. But he looks like somebody who just goes about his business.
C
Exactly that. I was literally just about to say that he's a guy that. That handles his business the right way and he's out there making plays. I mean, you're talking about a guy that almost ran down Dio Samuel and made a sack, what, one or two plays later, just a phenomenal player in the fact that you're getting him at such a value. Granted, he has a bigger paycheck than most, but I mean, like, the. The value that you're getting not only from his presence, but like you're saying, like his leadership by performing, not necessarily by being vocal. Please sign him. That's a guy that you want on your squad.
A
I really believe in Clowney. I mean, as a veteran presence in that locker room, as somebody. He stepped into the role that Dante Fowler Jr. Was expected to have. Yeah, he has, and he has not been good enough this year. I think Fowler has three sacks. Clowney's already at five and a half, and that's without A training camp that's without an offseason that's coming off the street and not playing in every game. And he's already been significantly better, nearly two times as productive as Dante Fowler Jr. And that doesn't even count what he's done from a leadership standpoint and from a veteran presence in the locker room.
B
Yeah, But Dante Fowler Jr also is a product of the scheme that he's in. He's one of those guys. He's not a plug and play guy in any scheme. There are certain defensive ends that we've talked about from other teams that you could put them into any system and they're going to be highly successful. Clowney is another one of those body types that you can put him into any system as a defensive end regardless of what scheme you're playing, and he's going to be successful. Some defensive ends need to be placed in specific schemes in order to have a higher success rate. That's just a reality and that's what I believe that Dante Fowler Jr. Is. I don't think that he's not good. I just think that he needed a Dan Quinn ish type system. And under Dan Quinn, what do you have? 15 sacks, whatever, 13, something like that last year. And you expect it because of the numbers. And this is when analytics don't always match up. People have to take it with a grain of salt because systems and schemes matter. Systems and schemes matter. Offensively and defensively. Players can be amazing players in certain schemes and systems and then go to a completely different one and in turn ghost. Then people be like, oh, that person's just not what they used to be. That's not true. That's not true. It's just that that person doesn't necessarily. His, their skill sets don't thrive in this setting.
C
Let me ask you this though. What about this scheme can be successful? What, what is it that needs to be successful?
B
This scheme is a, is a stop the run in, in bend but don't break type defense in the secondary. Yep. That's what this defense is. And in order to do that, you have to have safeties that can cover. You have to have corners that can cover in our zone, cover, zone cover corners. Because there's different styles of corners out there. There's some corners that could do both. Some are specialists in man to man. Some are zone guys. Right. Where they just understand space, understand their, their, their, their body in space and understand responsibilities of other guys around them. And then defensively on the front seven, they have to be able to come up and tackle. That's what he wants. That's what he wants. And he doesn't have the personnel keeping everything. That's not. This is not the personnel to do it. I said this early in training. I said, this is Dan Quinn's personnel that he's working with. That's the reality. You did not have the time nor the equity to turn over the defensive roster the way in which Eber Flutes wanted to. So what did you do? You said, okay, let's give him what we can give him. Right? Let's make a couple. Let's make a trade at the defensive line position. He needs an interior defense lineman. They did a good job of that, right? They got two guys in. Quentin Williams was obviously a late addition, but Kenny Clark early on, that was huge. Right? And then obviously the linebackers, they tried. They tried. They swung and missed, but they tried, right? They brought in, what, three different linebackers. So, I mean, so they tried to give him what he needed to be successful. But even when you started being successful against the run, you still didn't have the secondary that you needed.
A
You don't have the guys out there. You don't have the coverage, coverage safeties, you don't have the zone coverage, corners. Yeah, we've talked about that extensively throughout the year. This entire secondary could use an overhaul or just being healthy in, in its entirety. Guys like and Carson and Bland. Add some guys to that group and make sure that they're healthy, then I think you're at least headed in the right direction.
B
I don't think they foresaw the issues with Trayvon. I don't think they foresaw, obviously, the injury to Bland. I don't think they. I thought they. I believe that they over. Were overzealous in their ability to rehab Rebel. I think they were. So I think they, they, they swung. They were. They were. They had some Hopium.
A
Yeah.
B
In terms of the secondary, they had some Hopium. In terms of the trade acquisitions at the linebacker level, they had a lot of hope. Right. But they didn't have anything that was, that was pertinent and evident.
F
Right.
B
They didn't. They didn't have that stuff that was sound going into training camp or coming out of training.
A
The only things that was. That were sound were the things that they had to pay a high dollar for in trade capital. Kenny Clark and Quinn and Williams. Those are sure things. You knew those were going to be sure things for sure. And you also knew giving away Michael Parsons was going to be a sure thing in the negative so it was going to change, but they changed it in one spot, weren't able to do that in the other, other two.
C
In the training camp you could have argued that you had defensive end depth because they were playing so well. But now hindsight, looking at it, it's like you didn't have the tackles that were able to put up a fight against those defensive ends. So it looked like you had great, great defensive end depth and that just didn't happen.
E
You had Death because you had Michael Parsons. Yeah. That was your depth.
C
But he didn't play in the, at training camp.
E
It doesn't matter. When he gets on the field, he makes everybody around him better. Yeah, there was, there was, there was. I see what you're saying and that's. And I think that they made, they made the move thinking, okay, we've got guys here that we, we can trust.
C
Yeah.
E
And it just was not a great. Wasn't the right decision.
C
Yeah.
E
That they haven't been able to do that.
C
This what wasn't the right decision thinking.
E
That they had enough in the pass rush department. And they, they did not. They didn't. They haven't had it all year. I mean when your league, when your team leaders in sacks are a guy that you picked up the day training camp started, James Hughes and the guy that you picked up with what, seven games left.
B
Yeah.
A
That's just not being clown.
E
That's not good at all. That's not. You just can't have that.
B
So I mean you have. But, but understand this. And again, I believe that they acquired Matt Eberfluss with the understanding that they have to give him a two year Runway. Whether they stick to that or not, we'll see. But I believe that they had. That it was unrealistic to bring him in now. Nobody expected him, expected the defense to be this bad. I think everybody was hopeful of it being middle of the road defense and lights out offense. That was the.
A
If anybody thought this was going to be a historically bad defense. So I'd like to see that.
D
Yeah.
B
The expectation was that they'd be middle of the road. Right. 15 to 20, anywhere between there. Right.
C
You, you, you could have lived with.
B
And you could have lived with that. Right. But bottom of the league is. That's a whole nother conversation. Right. That derails the plans that you had set forth. But they tried to give him what he needed. Right. He, he, you could tell that he communicated clearly, this is what I need in order to be successful. And they tried to give him that. But the Reality is there's only so much. And you've heard Jerry say this through. Through training camp, Right. Double J said it many times. There's only so many pieces of the cake, man. There's only, you know, so many pieces of the pie that can go around. So when you start paying high dollar for certain individuals, I can't have a solid team. He made this evidently clear in training camp. That doesn't mean that you have to like it, but he was very clear. If I'm paying high dollar at all these different positions, there's not enough to go around. I can't build a team. Right. I can have exceptional areas, but I can't have a solid team. And that is just the reality. That is pure analytics, as is economics. Unless you are one team in your division, they figure it out. Right. But again, you saw Dallas be more aggressive this year than they have ever been in terms of acquisitions.
A
Yep.
B
And the hope is that they continue that. The hope is that they continue that. Right. But you have to, when you start talking about these coordinators, you have to give them what they need. What they need. I don't believe that Iberflus had what he needed in order to be fully successful within his scheme, but you just didn't expect it to be that bad.
E
At the same time, though, I think there have been points in this year and I know we got to get to our break, but. Yeah, when I look on the field on Thursday and I see Donovan Wilson playing single high.
B
Yes. Stupid.
E
What are we doing? That was a play where. That was one of the explosive plays where Debo catches it. Wilson is like five yards behind him and I'm like, what is going on here? So there have been some disadvantages of situations. I think there's blame to go all around.
B
Oh, of course. But.
E
But I do agree that the biggest swing and misses, I think, and what's hurt him the most is that linebacker spot. And they tried to fix it in the middle of the year with Logan Wilson. It just hasn't worked.
B
No, for sure.
E
I don't think he's got the same juice that he did from a couple of years ago. We've seen a couple of times where he just gets straight up beat and.
C
He didn't have any snaps.
B
But also, again, speaking to the safety position as we get ready to go ahead break personnel, that's not the personnel he likes. You know what I'm saying? You have a room full of strong safeties. You have one free safety by traitor. Yep. One. And he's older Yep. Right. Malik Hooker is your one free safety. Everybody else is strong safeties. Everybody else's strong safeties.
A
Why?
B
Because Dan Quinn system had linebackers as safeties.
A
Right.
B
Heat seeking missiles that play near the line of screenbacker. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Heat seeking missiles that play label as safeties. Play linebacker. Put them in the box.
A
We got to go to break. When we come back, we've got some smelly stickers. Believe it or not, after a game that the Cowboys did win, but we are still frustrated to a certain extent. When we come back with more after.
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Would you do that to me?
C
What is it?
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It's my hat, buddy.
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The hat is a cowboys hat.
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It's a cowboys hat branded by the NFL.
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See, look right there.
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Yeah.
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All right, Time for our smelly stickers. A tradition that we've had here on talking cowboys for years to come. And it is our form of helmet stickers, our players of the game. We're gonna let Tommy Yarish, our esteemed guest, join us and get us started.
B
Off the top rope.
D
All right.
E
Off the. Off the rip. You know one guy who wore this helmet on Thursday and did so while sustaining. Can you believe this? He's the fourth cowboys player in the last three games. To get poked in the eye.
C
Oh, oh, wow.
E
And have an eye injury. So his eye is swelling up in the middle of the game to the point where Dak Prescott's like, yeah, man, you got to go back to the sideline. Like you can't touch this ball. But he still came on the field. Got you 20 carries for 104 yards. Malik Davis, I've got this, I believe, is a plate of like spaghetti and meatballs. It says hungry.
A
Hungry.
E
Link Davis was hungry and they fed him.
A
I like it.
E
On Thursday. 100 plus yards. His first career 100 yard game as a rusher. So career highs and everything. Well done, Malik Davis. We'll see if he can see today. That's going to be something interesting. If his. If his. If the swelling in his eye has gone down.
C
You kind of need to be able to see to run the ball.
E
Yeah, that's usually pretty good. Yeah. Hungry, hungry was Malik Davis.
A
It's hard to live your life with just one eye.
E
Yeah.
C
All right, Kyle.
D
What?
B
Boo hoo.
A
It is. It's hard.
D
All right.
E
Boohoo is nuts.
B
Kyle, over here.
C
Pooh and all over the place. All right, guys. They say you can't. You can.
A
That's funny.
C
What is it? What's the saying? I just forgot it. Now Advocate can eat it too. Something like that.
E
Okay.
C
But I'm talking about a certain player who missed training camp. He missed training camp. What the heck, dude? You can't come in here and start leading the team in sacks. You can't start doing that. You can't have a sack in December. What are you doing, dude?
A
Doing?
C
Well, he had his cake and he ate it too. I'm giving a little cupcake strawberry on it.
A
It's very nice.
C
To Jadavian Clowney because that dude didn't have a training camp. He took a few games to kind of figure himself out, but he certainly figured it out. And he is deserving of a smelly sticker on this day, the Lord's Day, December 29th.
B
All right, good job. I'm gonna play it safe because the other one might have got me fired. Oh. So let's go with this safer bet. Beamer don't need no principal office today. All right. This right here, this right here, you.
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Know what this is the milkshake.
B
No, it's not.
C
Oh, soda.
B
No. Oh, this is 300 milligram black rifle coffee. Oh, that's right. Iced black iced mocha. You know who, who's had this in the game?
C
A rich mocha.
B
Yep. Rich mocha.
C
Much like yourself.
B
You know, something like it. Chirpy, chirpy, Speed. Speed had his 300mg and went ham over the top post. That got it on the money. And the boy took off. He gone. You ever had. You ever added 300 milligrams?
E
I have. Oh, it's really good when it's black craft for coffee dog.
A
All right, all right.
B
All jacked up on black rifle. You know what I mean?
A
Yeah, yeah, that'd be fun. All right, last one. Just like Kevonte Turpin, there was a guy post game that got to share a little bit of steak.
B
Little.
A
Little Tomahawk action from Netflix.
C
Little T Bone action.
A
The one thing that I will say. And Isaiah broke this down on the post game. I'm not giving this stake to Dak Prescott because he had an incredible game because he's even said it and we said it. I think he missed a couple throws, but he did what he needed to do. I will give him the steak, though, because if you go back and you rewatch that moment where Kevonte Turpin takes a bite out of the tomahawk and then passes it to Dak, Dak deliberately had to switch the sides of the steak in order to not eat the same portion that Kevonte Turpin took a bite of. And then he hands it to Mike Irvin, and Mike Irvin just, like, ripped right into it. So what germs I'm gonna give it to? I'm gonna give it to Dak Prescott for getting the job done on. On a day where Cowboys didn't play their best game, but he did have the awareness to turn the stake. And so he gets another steak from us here.
E
Cowboys.
B
I am immune system.
C
He survived the Kobe years.
B
So cooks went off yesterday.
C
Yeah.
A
Oh, yeah. Very nice.
E
Good for him.
A
But yeah. So that's it. Talking Cowboys.
C
Should we give B Cooks a smelly.
B
Sticker while we're on there, B Cooks.
A
Do we have, like, a cook in the kitchen? Like anybody over here?
B
Oh, man.
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Shout out to Cowboys players only. All right, that does it for us here on Talking Cowboys. Hope you had fun with us today. We will be back tomorrow, and we will be back on Wednesday as we get things wrapped up here in the 2025 calendar year. And then we go back to a regular scheduled.
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Boom.
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One show a week. Boo. Tuesdays at 10am you know who will be stoked? Who's that?
C
Jack Burton. Because he said, catch you on the next one. This show sucks.
B
Oh, wow.
A
He's gonna watch it. He's.
C
He's watching. But you'll be happy to know we're going back to one. One show.
A
So funny.
E
I love it.
A
Oh, brother. This guy stinks.
C
That's for you, Jeff.
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Sums us up.
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Thanks for watching. We'll see you guys tomorrow with more talking Cowboys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Get almost anything you need delivered with Uber Eats. What do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed.
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Podcast: Talkin’ Cowboys
Hosts: Kyle Yeomans, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Stanback, Tommy Yarish
Location: Live from The Star in Frisco, TX
This episode, recorded the Monday after the Dallas Cowboys’ win over the Commanders on Christmas Day, centers around whether the team should play or sit quarterback Dak Prescott in the now-meaningless season finale against the Giants. The crew recaps the game, reflects on standout performances, and discusses the ongoing issues and adjustments within the Cowboys’ roster and coaching staff. As the playoffs are now out of reach, the main focus shifts toward minimizing injury risk and building toward 2026.
Current Situation:
The Cowboys are eliminated from playoff contention; the final game vs. the Giants carries no postseason implications.
Argument to Sit Dak:
Counterpoints (and Why They’re Refuted):
Token Start or Snaps?:
Dak’s View:
NFL Business Reality:
Hot Start:
Kevontae Turpin’s Touchdown:
Dak Prescott’s Performance:
Run Defense:
Passing/Explosive Plays Allowed:
Individual Standouts:
Defensive Scheme Transition Issues:
Pass Rush Problems:
Front Office Aggression & Money Constraints:
Fun Moments/Recurring Jokes:
The consensus among the Talkin’ Cowboys crew is clear: there’s nothing to gain from playing Dak Prescott or other key starters in a game that can only jeopardize the team’s future prospects. The emphasis is on protecting assets, giving valuable live reps to backups, and acknowledging the limitations faced by the coaching staff after a transitional, injury-riddled season. Defensive personnel and schematic issues are underlined as key offseason priorities. The episode is punctuated with humor, recurring show traditions, and a look at how the Cowboys can improve their fortunes in 2026.
This summary covers the Cowboys’ approach to the final week of a disappointing season, why preserving player health trumps chasing meaningless milestones, what went right and wrong against the Commanders, and how the team must recalibrate for next season. The hosts’ authentic, locker-room-style banter makes for a lively, insightful look at the state of Cowboys football.
“If you can’t get the ring, why risk your superstar? You gain nothing.” —Isaiah Standback [14:01]
“You paid him to give yourself a shot at championships. That’s what you’re paying Dak Prescott for—which is gone this year.” —Kyle Yeomans [17:34]