Talkin’ Cowboys: Is the Sky Falling?

Summary

Talkin’ Cowboys: Is the Sky Falling?

Podcast Date: September 23, 2025
Host: Kyle Yeomans
Panel: Isaiah Stanback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez
Location: The Star in Frisco, TX

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Episode Overview

This Talking Cowboys episode centers on the Dallas Cowboys’ rocky start to the season and the palpable anxiety among fans and hosts alike—or, as titled, "Is the Sky Falling?" The crew tackles injury updates, major personnel issues, and struggles on both sides of the ball. A lively call-in segment features fans voicing frustrations and sparking debate on where the real problems lie: on the field, on the sideline, or higher up. Throughout, the tone is a blend of exasperation, earnest football analysis, and fan-driven energy.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Mood Check & Setting the Table

• The crew jokes about Monday hangovers and the (not so) “goof around” mood.
  • “We all can’t be sitting here sulking.” – Patrick Walker (02:32)
• They set a goal to take as many fan calls as possible, aiming for eight.

2. Kevontae Turpin Nickname Debate

• Kyle recounts his on-air conversation with Turpin about preferred nicknames ("Turpy Speed" won, "Torpedo" is out).
  • “His favorite one of all time was one from high school and he was called ‘Video Game.’” – Kyle Yeomans (04:43)
• Brief laughter in the crew relieves tension before serious team talk.

3. Cowboys Injury News – Highs and Lows

Good News (05:25)

• Jadeveon Clowney expected to debut against Green Bay.
• DaRon Bland on track to return from foot injury.
  • “Two defensive players getting back. And which side of the ball is struggling the most right now? ...Defense.” – Patrick Walker (06:11)

Bad News

• CeeDee Lamb out with a high ankle sprain, timeline uncertain but won’t play this week (06:45).

  • “I’ve heard everything from 2 to 3 to 2 to 4 to 3 to 5 week to week on CeeDee Lamb. But scratch him against the Green Bay Packers.” – Patrick Walker (07:25)
  • “Even if he’s returning ... it probably won’t be 100% within that four to six week window.” – Kyle Yeomans (07:39)
  • Reported that Lamb is already rehabbing, but is still seen on a scooter, so return timing cautious (08:32).

• Tyler Booker (starting guard) out 4-6 weeks with high ankle sprain (10:38, 11:21). Offensive line stretched thin with backups.

  • “Cooper Beebe to IR one week prior; Tyler Booker likely to IR this week... Now you’re third offensive guard, second string center.” – Patrick Walker (12:15, 12:41)

4. Roster Depth & Matchup Concerns

• Concerns on youth/inexperience at several positions—particularly the offensive line, facing a tough Green Bay front (13:14).
• Micah Parsons’ usage discussed, especially his effectiveness and creativity on defense.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

“Are we going to talk about the Packers tomorrow?”
“I’m not the one that has to put the helmet on. ...Mind you, I get more than a midnight.”
– Patrick Walker reflecting on lingering frustration after tough losses (02:11)

“There are individuals whose play through these first three games doesn’t show that they should still be receiving the opportunities that they’re receiving. ...And I believe that if what you said in training camp was true...that doesn’t seem to be the case now that the games are present.”
– Isaiah Stanback on the need for merit-based personnel changes (29:18)

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Fan Call Highlights

1. Call #1: Mike from New York (18:45)

• Frustrated by lack of pass rush and blown coverages.
• Parodied as Stewie from Family Guy by the crew for his passionate delivery.
• Hosts agree: coverage busts on simple schemes, big plays given up, and communication breakdowns are basic execution failures—not complex scheme issues.

2. Call #2: Brian (25:19) — “You’re the GM now...”

• Asks what first move the hosts would make if they were GM.
• Isaiah: Play high-effort, previously productive guys (Wanye Thomas, Marquis Bell), bench underperformers regardless of salary.
• Patrick: Would bring in more Clowney/Houston, start Marist Liufau over Jack Sanborn. If acting as GM, flip a Green Bay pick for a marquee defender.
  • “There are individuals whose play through these first three games doesn’t show that they should still be receiving the opportunities that they’re receiving.” – Isaiah (29:18)

3. Call #3: Antoine from Pasadena (32:56)

• Wants more effort players like Trickweasey Bridges and Freddy Stewart involved, citing their high motor.
• Panel agrees: Effort/energy players (a la Detroit’s high-motor defense) are lacking. Cites ex-Cowboy Al-Quadin Muhammad thriving with the Lions as an example of missed opportunity due to coaching bias.

4. Call #4: Troy from Philly (42:51)

• Questions the staff’s "my guys" mentality and lack of adaptability/coaching accountability.

• Wants to see "dynamic players" like #30, #35, and #50 on the field, tired of underperforming regulars like #57.

• Complains about offensive play-calling: not running enough after Lamb went down, lack of a true 1A/1B receiver combo.

  • “We got dynamic players sitting on the bench you’re not playing…It can’t be that they’re not getting it because the guys on the field ain’t getting it!” – Troy (43:50)

5. Call #5: John from Alaska (49:45)

• Draws parallels between current DC Eberflus and former DC Mike Nolan—Is the scheme a poor fit, or are players just not executing?

• Isaiah: The system/framework is solid, but individual breakdowns (often just 1-2 guys per play) sink the whole unit.

• Patrick: Personnel decisions are the bigger issue (Sanborn over Liufau/Houston, etc.), not the scheme itself.

  • “These guys just aren’t doing what’s asked of them—literally on the touchdown, we talked about it already, two people didn’t do their job…Malik Hooker was over there on the opposite hash, I don’t know what he was doing playing hooky…” – Isaiah Stanback (52:27)

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Critical Themes & Takeaways

Personnel & Accountability

• Repeated calls (from hosts and fans) to bench underperforming veterans, play high-energy youngsters, and shake up the depth chart regardless of contract.
• Panel’s frustration with the disconnect between the “preaching of competition” in camp and the reality of on-field inertia.

Coaching/Management

• Serious concern that “entitlement” and coach favoritism are stifling competition and performance.
  • “...if you don’t make these changes and give these guys the opportunity based upon the preachings of your teachings, you will lose the entire club.” – Isaiah Stanback (55:13)
• Popular sentiment that a single player (even a high-profile trade addition) won’t solve the team’s deeper issues right now.

Defensive Struggles

• Multiple breakdowns in “simple” defensive schemes—often individual mistakes undoing broadly solid execution.
• Lack of pass rush exposes communication flaws in coverage.

Offense Without CeeDee

• Skepticism about the depth behind CeeDee Lamb—uncertainty if George Pickens, Ryan Flournoy, or others are ready to fill the “1A” void.
• Frustration over play-calling and situational football (long drives ending in nothing, not leaning on run game after injuries).

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Injury Updates, O-Line Trouble: 05:25–13:14
• First Caller (Defensive Woes): 18:45
• GM/Coaching Hot Takes (Brian): 25:19–32:49
• Young/Effort Players (Antoine): 32:56–35:34
• Coaching Accountability, WR Depth (Troy): 42:51–49:45
• Scheme vs. Execution Debate (John): 49:45–54:52

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Conclusion

This episode is a cathartic, at times comedic, but ultimately hard-hitting look at the Cowboys’ mounting struggles and the sense of urgency among fans and analysts. The cast voices honest criticism over stale personnel decisions, pleads for an injection of youthful energy, and challenges the franchise to align action with their words on competition and accountability.

While there are glimmers of hope (Clowney and Bland return, hard questions being asked on staff), the overall tone is clear: major changes are necessary, both in lineup and in locker room culture, if this team is to turn the season around.

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Most Memorable Quote:

“If you don’t make these changes and give these guys the opportunity based upon the preachings of your teachings, you will lose the entire club.”
– Isaiah Stanback (55:13)

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Next episode: Previewing Cowboys vs. Packers—can the defense bounce back and will the coaching staff finally make the moves everyone’s demanding?

Transcript

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[Caller]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Isaiah Stanback]

Did we do it last time?

[Kyle Yeomans]

We did two weeks ago. We like set a goal. Last week was just kind of. We're just chatting, you know, we're just taking it easy. Just goofing, you know, just goofing around.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You know, we could goof around last week.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're such a. Yeah, we can't goof around.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We can't goof around.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Monday's gone. It's Tuesday.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is it? Stand back.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah. Like the midnight rule.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It's like.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, I'm still feel this for a few days, man.

[Isaiah Stanback]

24 hours.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I mean, we. I.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Okay, I'll give you until after news and notes.

[Josh Rodriguez]

After news and notes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You'Re going to.

[Patrick Walker]

Give me until we start talking about the packers tomorrow?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Two whole days, bro.

[Patrick Walker]

I'm not the one that has to put the helmet on. I don't have to go to the meeting room, mind you. Mind you, I get more than a midnight.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We're taking calls today. So you think they're gonna be. Yeah, all positive.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Well, but we all can't be sitting here sulking.

[Patrick Walker]

Oh, it's not sulking. Be not mistaken. It's not. It's not soaking. It is passivity, but it's not soaking.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Five minutes after.

[Patrick Walker]

I don't know.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'm. I'm blood red.

[Patrick Walker]

Five and a half.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Five and a half.

[Patrick Walker]

Five & a half.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'm just blood red mad all day.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Five minutes and 46 seconds, please. All right. By the way, last night had a great conversation on the Cowboys hour. Had sidecar social with one Kevonte Turpin.

[Patrick Walker]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Last night, it was great.

[Patrick Walker]

Good.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I did have you tell him that.

[Patrick Walker]

Was a great catch.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was a great catch. We talked about the catch. We talked about his mentality through it all and how he knew he was going to get ear holed and stuck through with the ball. It was really cool. He did a great job on the show last night. It was with Nicole Hutchison, who of course was just here with Girls Talk, Boys Talk, Young Hutch. This morning I did ask them the question, which nickname is better? Oh, I asked him right at the end. You can go look at it. Oh, yeah, there is, there is tape evidence. And I threw them out there. I didn't throw any allegiance to any of the nicknames, but I. A couple of the nicknames.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But before you, before you say that, what was your nickname?

[Patrick Walker]

Tasmanian Terp.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, I didn't, I didn't use that exactly.

[Patrick Walker]

Which makes it awful.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I used.

[Patrick Walker]

But continue your.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Because I thought that was.

[Josh Rodriguez]

The Torpedo is mine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And that's.

[Patrick Walker]

There's a reason that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sorry. Beamer offer up. I'm mixing.

[Patrick Walker]

So what did you present to him?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I presented Turpy. Turpy Speed. Speed. And he said he liked it. And then I also presented the torpedo and he said no, scratch that one out. What?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Interesting.

[Patrick Walker]

Almost Beam. Almost as interesting.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sorry, Beam. I thought I would have scratched out.

[Patrick Walker]

No, it wasn't. He didn't offer mine up at all. Which makes that entire ballot void.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I just got to go back, get.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Online and send my, my, my Turpin jersey.

[Patrick Walker]

That's it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Go and return the offer.

[Patrick Walker]

A reason. He knew what was going to happen.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, I did. I offered it up because I thought Torpedo was yours. But Torpedo is Beams. That's unfortunate. I would have never put Beam in that situation.

[Patrick Walker]

And yet you did.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes, but I, but Pat, like I.

[Patrick Walker]

Was trying to make your own people.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But he liked speed.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Speed. But he did like turvy turby speed.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And he says he hears it a lot.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He said his favorite one of all time was one from high school and he was called Video Game.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's pretty cool.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And I was like, that's pretty sweet.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Being called Video Game just as like a joystick.

[Patrick Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Running through everybody Which I could see that with Turpin, but the people.

[Patrick Walker]

Circle button, jute button.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I think she's throwing the magic man.

[Patrick Walker]

Magic man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now you see me. Now you don't.

[Isaiah Stanback]

You like it. I know you do.

[Patrick Walker]

I saw it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You're the Neil DeGrasse. That's my nickname for him now. Yeah. You see that where he's like demonstrating?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Ocean. Yeah. All right, let's get into news.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Oh, shucks.

[Patrick Walker]

Must we?

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, I don't want.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I told you.

[Isaiah Stanback]

You got five timer.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Five and a half minutes at the timer.

[Patrick Walker]

Oh, the live long day. But this passivity shall live on. All right, so let's start with the good. The good news is. Is twofold. Number one, it does appear that Jadevion Clowney will make his debut for the Cowboys this Sunday against the Green Bay Packers.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's good stuff.

[Patrick Walker]

Yeah. So we like that. We like it a lot.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And that was courtesy of Jerry Jones.

[Patrick Walker]

That was courtesy of. Well, actually was courtesy of Stephen Jones.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Stephen yesterday and then Jerry backed it.

[Patrick Walker]

Up today on both on 153 the fan. So that. That looks like it's. It's a go. Also on the good news front, Duron Bland is expected and on track to return from his foot injury against the Green Bay packers as well.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's get stuck on the right track.

[Patrick Walker]

Two defensive players. Yep. Two defensive players getting back impact. Yeah. And which side of the ball is struggling the most right now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Defense.

[Patrick Walker]

Defense. All right, now offensive side of the ball. Now we go to the bad news. Yeah. That was the good news. Here's the bad news.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can't stop there.

[Patrick Walker]

No, can't stop. Won't stop.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It's time already.

[Patrick Walker]

Yeah. Great. So city Lamb, let's start there. City Lamb, as we all know, has the high ankle sprain and his timeline is varying depending on who you talk to. What day of the. You know, what time of the day you're talking. It is all over the place.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All over the place.

[Patrick Walker]

On one note, it's. Well, let's go ahead and. And state that he will not play against the Green Bay Packers. Yeah. So let's be clear on that. But I've heard everything. Yeah, I know. Right? I've heard everything from. It'll be a week to week evaluation after the Green Bay packers game. He put.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That is.

[Patrick Walker]

But it was a body catch. It's okay. You gotta extend Jerry Rice.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Why'd you jump when you had a catch buddy player?

[Patrick Walker]

So. Yeah. So CD Lamb, his. His timeline is all over the place. But we know he's not going to play against the Green Bay packers and I'm just going to treat it as a week to week thereafter because I've heard everything from 2 to 3 to 2 to 4 to 3 to 5 week to week on CD Lamb. But scratch him against the Green Bay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Packer and it is a high ankle.

[Patrick Walker]

It is a high ankle sprain.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So the way with high ankle sprains vary from everybody. Everybody wants to tab the four to six weeks as the normal default.

[Patrick Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Which that still is very possible. But with a wide receiver like CD Lamb, there's. It goes twofold. One, you look at him, you say, well he needs to be able to cut and move and go laterally and accelerate. What do you need to do that? You need your ankle to do that and you need it to be healthy. So even if he is returning and he's able to play, it probably won't be 100% within that four to six week window. The second part about it is that he's been very durable throughout his career and when he has missed time, he's been very quick to get back to it. I thought Stephen Jones yesterday put it in a very simple term. He said he heals quick. And I was like, okay, I guess that that's not the doctor term.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And he's a tough dude. I mean he played all of last season with one shoulder with a sprained AC joint.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. All the way through it. So I.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Tough dude.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I wouldn't pass him getting back. But the fact that they're not going to put him on ir, that's a win.

[Patrick Walker]

That does bode well for him. And a little birdie told me that yesterday CD Lamb was doing some rehab work on the field outside alongside Trevon Diggs with trainer Brit Brown. And he was, you know, running, cutting, doing some, some, I'm not going to say full speed, but it was brisk jogging in between his cuts and he was, you know, doing everything he needed to do and that he was moving fairly well. Now that being said, he was also spotted in the building thereafter on the scooter. So my thought process is taking both of those data points together is that they, they like that he can be back far sooner than a four week period, which is why they're not putting him on the ir. But when he's not rehabbing, they do not want him on that leg or that ankle at so. So that's not great news for CD but certainly far from worst case scenario.

[Isaiah Stanback]

What's the craziest rumor that you heard revolving around cd?

[Patrick Walker]

The craziest would. I wouldn't say crazy, but I did hear the default 4 to 6, and it was. It was never viewed as 4 to 6.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Oh, that. He was on a flight to Germany to go get stem cells and all kinds of other stuff.

[Patrick Walker]

Really?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah. Well, there's a lot of stuff.

[Patrick Walker]

I mean.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean, that wasn't a rumor.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I mean, there's a lot of stuff going on. There's a lot going around.

[Patrick Walker]

Yeah. I mean.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Internet, he's in the building.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Internet. I'm just. That's why. Internet's a wild place.

[Kyle Yeomans]

October fist, they have that at AT&T Stadium. It's fine.

[Patrick Walker]

Nice plug.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thank you.

[Patrick Walker]

Nice plug to the curveball. This is also on the offensive side. Curveball came out of left field yesterday.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Tyler Booker, that's not where curveballs would.

[Patrick Walker]

Well, actually, as an outfielder, I can tell you they curve.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Keep going.

[Patrick Walker]

They curve. Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Wait a minute.

[Patrick Walker]

They don't all. Yeah, he said.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He said a curveball out of left field.

[Patrick Walker]

That's fair. That's fair.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You throw in.

[Patrick Walker]

Can curve. You better learn how to slice. Isaiah knows because you know outfield stuff.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But when you're hitting home base from the third place.

[Isaiah Stanback]

What's going on with Tyler Booker?

[Patrick Walker]

Damn it, Kyle. Okay, so Tyler Booker, he is out for now. This looks like a true four to six week time.

[Caller]

Oh, yeah.

[Patrick Walker]

This is a true.

[Isaiah Stanback]

What are you talking about right now?

[Patrick Walker]

No, seriously. At some point in the game, there's late in the game.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It was before that interception.

[Patrick Walker]

Yeah. Final few reps, just like you can kind of pinpoint when it may have happened. But he popped back up. So he played every single snap in the game. We saw him in the locker room after the game. He was fine. No boot? No. Not a. Not a single device. No indication. Okay. We talked to Shoddy yesterday. No indication. No one knew that Tyler Booker was dealing with this situation.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, they kept that under wrap.

[Patrick Walker]

Right. Shortly thereafter, after the press conference. Kaboom. Tyler Booker is out for projected four to six weeks. A true four to six weeks. And he is likely to be headed to IR this. So with what last week. It's a high ankle sprain. It's a hikle sprain. A little bit more. A little bit more severe than CDs. And like Jerry Jones said on 153 the Fan and Steven Jones said yesterday, difference between those two being not only severity, but just the size of the individual trying to come.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, the bigger you are, the harder it is to come back from a higher.

[Patrick Walker]

And that's just facts. So hence Cooper BB is now the offensive line that lost Cooper BB to IR one week prior will likely lose Tyler Booker to IR this week. So you're seeing Brock Hoffman at starting center and TJ Bass is going to be next in line at right guard. Our pets heads are falling off.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I thought you said five minutes.

[Patrick Walker]

Right?

[Isaiah Stanback]

He told me to stop the timer.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So the time stopped.

[Patrick Walker]

What? Yeah. Seriously?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick Walker]

Completely outlift you. It's just.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And remember you did and now you're did pick up Trevor Keegan from waivers off Philadelphia's waivers. I'm not saying stop. I'm just saying these are the options outside of it. It's not good.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Well, your first option was Brock Hoffman in the game. Oh, that's right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's already in the game.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Sorry. You're to your third. You're now third offensive guard. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're down. You're too young.

[Patrick Walker]

Second.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're second string center. Yep.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Third string offensive guard.

[Patrick Walker]

Yeah. And. And Bass is a gamer. But my. My problem is is there is now. Now that I've seen Tyler Booker on an NFL field. There's a drop off there. Yep. But also there's the comp. It's the combo that. I mean you're going against this Green Bay packers defensive front and you have two backups right there in the middle of it. That's. That's who.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Aside from Michael Parsons and not even to dismiss him. But they're a great defensive front. Carried away Enzo before and after Michael Parsons.

[Patrick Walker]

So.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Well, since you brought his name up, I don't know if you guys have been watching the Green Bay packers to date, but he's been lining up over the center a lot.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, he loves doing it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He loves that. And they love dq.

[Patrick Walker]

Started that.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yes. Well, because they say why thank you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It allows Gary to go on an island outside against Cleveland. And yeah, it's ISO.

[Isaiah Stanback]

They like the ISO. Micah on your center or your guard? Jesus.

[Kyle Yeomans]

TJ Brock Hoffman.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Is it commercial time yet?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean we can maybe go.

[Isaiah Stanback]

We should probably do that.

[Patrick Walker]

What happened to the 5 minute rule?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Need to break.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Gotta go to break. Any more NASA notes, Pat?

[Patrick Walker]

No, we had too good. Too bad. Too good on the defensive side. Too bad on the offensive side. And now let's. Let's give it to a commercial.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. When we come back we're going to take your calls. 888-855-2297. We're going to need you to cheer us up. Especially for Isaiah's purpose. He thought that 24 hour rule still applied. But TJ or excuse me, but Tyler Booker is out for four to six weeks with a high ankle sprain. We will talk about that and a whole lot more with more Talking Tuesday right after this.

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[Patrick Walker]

How's it going? You see that Cowboys game?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, I watched.

[Patrick Walker]

Been seeing some good things. Totally. They have some talent.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yup. Some great talents.

[Patrick Walker]

And they got some fight.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hoping this is the year.

[Patrick Walker]

Me too. Oh I'm Cody, by the way.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I'm Travis.

[Patrick Walker]

Nice to meet you, Travis. Go Cowboys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Isaiah Stanback]

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[Patrick Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick Walker]

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[Isaiah Stanback]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick Walker]

I'm old enough to know that sound. That song sounds like one of those old ITT Tech commercials. And if you know, you know, just go to YouTube and find it. You see what I'm talking about?

[Josh Rodriguez]

It sounds like an auto commercial.

[Isaiah Stanback]

You was here before Mory.

[Patrick Walker]

Yeah. You know, I mean, oh, my.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's like on at 3am and now you, like, fell asleep with commercial.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You are not the father. It's time for Talk Tuesday.

[Patrick Walker]

He was like, what are you doing? You're sitting on your sofa. You're looking at me. You couldn't be studying for Isaiah. Five minutes are up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Huh? You know what? I know will cheer you up here, Isaiah. You know, talking to the fans. Talking to Mike in New York. Our first caller is on the line. Mike, what's going on? I need you to bring the energy.

[Caller]

Yeah, we need a better pass rush. And can we actually cover somebody? I mean, come on. I mean, that game on Sunday was horrible. It's that one touchdown. Dude. Where's our secondary? I could have went out and covered. I'm, like, standing the tv. I'm like, come on. Like, our secondary's horrible. Horrible.

[Patrick Walker]

I love that. Mike, hold on. Really quickly, before you even come off of that.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I'm gonna go now to Texas and.

[Caller]

I want a coach. I want to coach. I'm going to say, let's go, Mike.

[Patrick Walker]

I don't know if You've ever seen Family Guy. I don't know how familiar you are with Stewie, but you just did the Stewie by accident where he was like, do we have a pass rush?

[Caller]

Can we even cover any money?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Are you gonna play decent this week?

[Caller]

Oh, man.

[Patrick Walker]

Classic.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I love it. I love it. Thank you so much for the call, Mike.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Appreciate you speaking for the fan as a whole, I think. Yeah, absolutely. What, what can we do as fans to get these guys more involved? Actually cover some guys. I mean, it's, it's rough to watch. And as a fan, you're sort of sitting there hopeless. You're like, wait a second, I know these guys are better than what we're seeing on tape, right? They have to, to be. They have to be. And being as someone who's seen this team throughout camp, granted, it's the only football team we get to watch at camp. Right. At several points during this camp, I was like, this was.

[Isaiah Stanback]

This looks pretty good, man.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I like these guys.

[Patrick Walker]

I'm gonna say it, I'm gonna say these guys are good.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And especially, you know, guys like Kyrie Elam, Jack Sanborn, guys that you thought at camp, like, all right, I'm seeing something here. I just triggered Isaiah a little bit.

[Isaiah Stanback]

She put that on me, put that on me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Ricky Bobby, question mark.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's flabbergasted.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, the question mark to me is I'm a pole. In talking with Barry and in talking with some of these other defensive minded guys over the last couple days, I keep hearing the same thing. And honestly, you and I have the same conversation too. It's simple. This is simple stuff from a scheme standpoint. You're running stuff that you've learned all the way back in the early years. And this is, We've had this conversation on the show and then you talk to some of the guys kind of off the record, just in locker room yesterday and after the game on Sunday. And when you're talking to these guys, they say, oh, there's just no communication and people are trying to pick up the scheme. It's like, why are we still trying to pick up the scheme? It's week three. Where was the lapse to get to this point on a simple scheme to start with, right? Not only are you, you're frustrated at the results and you're frustrated at the big plays because in Shoddy talked about it yesterday too, you're not just giving up 15 to 20 yards per play, you're giving up 30, 35 yard plays, these big downfield plays. And that's busted coverage. That's bad situation, that's bad eyes, that's bad everything on the defensive side. And yet it's a simple scheme at the same time.

[Patrick Walker]

I really think it's just a combination of a lot of things going wrong at the exact same time. Perfect storm of errors, miscommunication. It's guys being asked to do things that they don't excel at. It's injury, it's, it's this, it's that, it's the third. It's. It's quite literally just everything that could be going wrong right now for this defense is really going wrong really quickly.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I think it is a parallel to last season. Two, when you're talking about Mike Zimmer trying to install a new defense, a new coordinator at the time last year and Jordan Lewis had brought something up halfway through the season where he's talking about the details and it's guys that are going above and beyond the role that they are given in that given defense and trying to clean up too much. We were looking at it yesterday with Donovan Wilson getting out of his zone to cover up the run when he is indeed supposed to be covering the space in the zone in the backfield that is wide open for a touchdown. I mean, it's. It is paying attention to the detail and manning your position and knowing your job and not trying to clean up for everybody else because everyone needs to be on their own.

[Patrick Walker]

And I'll add to this, man. I mean, no matter how you slice it, no matter how you slice it, let's just keep it a stack. If you trade a generational pass rusher away six days ahead of the season, you're not putting your defensive coordinator in a good spot. Sure, you're just not.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And not to keep defending coach Eber flu, but when. When Eber Fluss is getting a lot of the. The negativity and a lot of the pushback for all of this and some of it deservedly so. But at some point, when are we going to look at it and say, oh, these guys weren't very good with Zimmer, they weren't very good with Eber Fluss. They of course had a great time with. With Dan Quinn.

[Patrick Walker]

Damn good time.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Damn good time with Dan Quinn. When are we going to look at it and say these guys just don't fit here and they don't play well, they're just not good at what they do well? I mean, when is that going to be the point? It's just these guys can't play.

[Patrick Walker]

Yeah. And I Think that. Well, first I'll put an asterisk on because they had a damn good time with Dan Quinn until the playoffs. Very true.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The Green Bay Packers.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Oh.

[Patrick Walker]

Because let's. Let's not. Let's not forget about some things to make other things look. Let's just put it all out there. But to answer your question, Kyle, I think that's a valid conversation. I think it's a conversation if we're about to find out if. If it. No, no. We're about to find out if it's true what Schottenheimer said, which would go to your point. Schottenheimer said they've had meetings about changes that are coming potentially with the scheme, potentially with the personnel. So that makes me wonder if that type of conversation is already being had between the coordinators and Schottenheimer because he said in his press conference, he said the standard is not being met. Yeah. So changes have to be made.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because there are times where I look at the film and you're playing 10 yards off the line of scrimmage on third down and two, and I'm saying, okay, that's the scheme. But then there are other times where it's just wrong place, wrong time, wrong step in the wrong direction at this time instead of going that direction. And it's just coverage wise, you're not in the right spot and that's going to be a problem. So at times it's technique, at times it's scheme. It's all bad on the defensive side.

[Patrick Walker]

Oh, no. We'll take another call, but I want Isaiah to weigh in on the next call. Just. He is biting his tongue, so.

[Isaiah Stanback]

No, I just. That was one caller. We got to get seven more, that's all.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Why are you biting your tongue?

[Isaiah Stanback]

I'm not biting my tongue. I thought we were supposed to cheek guy myself.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I. You are done. All right, Brian is our next caller. What's going on, Brian?

[Caller]

Good morning, gentlemen.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Good morning, Brian.

[Caller]

Oh, man. So, you know, here's the. I'm just going to give you a what if and ask each one of you to tell me what you would do.

[Patrick Walker]

Okay.

[Caller]

If. If Jerry calls in tomorrow and says, hey, you know what, I'm hanging up the cleats as the gm, I'm just gonna go watch the games from. From the box. And you're the gm, what's the first thing you change to try to turn this around personally? And this is just a guess, you know, I've never coached or done anything like that a day in my life, but mine is I think next week I start clowning in Houston because the other guys aren't getting it done and they've had a chance already. And I make it that that would be the first thing I would change. Can't change injuries. You know, they are what they are. That's the first thing I would look at. And I'll hang up and listen to Yalls answer. Good to talk to you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thank you, Brian.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Thank you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And that's a great question. Great question. I know what Isaiah would do.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Isaiah, stand back at quarterback.

[Patrick Walker]

You're going to have to speak. I know the Tyler Booker thing. Really?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah.

[Patrick Walker]

That hurt. You're going to have to bounce back, I don't think.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah, that's gonna hurt in a major way for a while. The reason why it hurts is because the first. The first half of your season, and we said this on the post game.

[Patrick Walker]

You'Re not going to get away from answering Brian's question.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I'm going to answer Brian's question. But, like, I need people to understand the severity of the timing of these injuries. The Dallas Cowboys, in order to have remotely. Be remotely successful this year, needed to win the first half of the season.

[Patrick Walker]

Yep.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Because the second half is not second half.

[Isaiah Stanback]

You just. You just.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, you're gonna have a tough time.

[Isaiah Stanback]

You're gonna be hitting on all cylinders and be fully healthy to combat those teams.

[Josh Rodriguez]

See how Detroit played last night?

[Patrick Walker]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Detroit's amazing.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So you're playing them and then Philly and then.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah, no, so. So this is compromising your ability to get off to a good start and go into that. That bye week in week 10 with a winning record. So, anyways, the first thing that I would do. First of all, I don't think Jerry Double J's had a bad run in terms of injuries, and the whole organization has. There's. There's talent on this team. These guys are fully capable of playing. They're not showing you at this moment. And I can't put my finger as to why that is. If I were playing coach slash gm, I guess if I'm the GM and I'm calling and telling the coach what I was wondering, I was like, yeah, I mean, whatever. However you guys want to look at it, if I'm shoddy, I'm. There are guys in a secondary that I'm. That I'm sitting. That's just the reality. I would go back to guys who have made huge contributions to you in the past in Wanye Thomas and Marquis Bell. These are guys who were leading your team in tackles. But yet they're now subjected to just be a special teams contributors. Marquis Bell two years ago had 100 tackles last time I checked. He now he just runs down on kickoffs and punts. Make it make sense. There's, there's something he could be doing. Maris Leopold is one of the few guys that actually got a jam in cover three and you know, played two to, you know, played his, played his coverage the way he was supposed to. So I would give him more opportunities. I would not have any entitlement to guys based upon their salaries. And that tends to happen in the NFL often. There are plenty of guys like the Bells, like the Wanye's, like the Mares leaf House that don't get opportunities because coaches are either have favoritism towards certain individuals or certain players paychecks state that they should be playing first over guys who may be more capable to fit schemes and maybe more capable to make plays. So I would like to see that go away because we heard the word competition all through training camp.

[Patrick Walker]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

And there are individuals whose play through these first three games don't show that they should still be receiving the opportunities that they're receiving. I'll put it that way. But because of affiliations, comfortability or paycheck, some of these guys are still on the field. And I believe that if what you said in training camp was true, if a backup performs better than a starter, we saw those rotations happen in training camp. Starter goes back, second guy comes up and gets more reps in practice. That doesn't seem to be the case now that the games are present. And I would like to see that. See these coaches keep that same energy for me.

[Patrick Walker]

And I love Brian's thought process from a coaching standpoint because I'm with Isaiah. If you're the gm, you shouldn't be making those decisions. So let's just say from a coaching standpoint, I like the idea of Jadevion Clowney and James Houston starting to. Let's see what that looks like. Okay. I love Isaiah's point because I was thinking that as well literally before you said it, I'm like one year Marquis and you said it. Kaboom. There you go. I would go from a coaching standpoint, let's go to the middle of the field. I'm putting Marisley afoul on the field early and often. Yeah. And that's at the expense of Jack Sanborn. Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that's, that's, that would be the first move.

[Patrick Walker]

That's my first coaching decision. And. But if he wants, he Being Brian, if he wants the GM question, I'm flipping at least one of those picks I got from Green Bay for a marquee defensive player, likely an edge rusher.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm not there yet. I don't think this team is one piece away. I, I'm not there.

[Patrick Walker]

I don't know. I don't know that they are one piece. Well, actually I'll go ahead and agree that they're not one piece away. One piece anime, if you don't know. But what I would say is if you combine this move with the coaching decisions that we're talking about, then maybe you now have a. Maybe you're cooking with something there. Maybe you're starting to brew up a good recipe. Maybe if it's one year Thomas and Marquis Bell, plus Marisley Afoul, plus James Houston getting more burned, plus your Davion Clowney, and then you throw in some, some kind of marquee addition on the defense. I think those things could be a recipe.

[Kyle Yeomans]

As exciting as that might be to, to go and get a marquee defensive player. And trust me, if they go get the right guy, then I'm fine with it. But I said it when the trade happened. The Micah trade was not a 2025 move. That was a 2026, 27 move. And so with the way that, the way that this defense is so broken right now, I don't have the faith that one guy is going to come in and change that to the point where this is a playoff push type of team. Because that's all that's the ultimate goal is not to make the tournament. Right now you're hoping they have the talent to make the playoffs, but that's not the goal. The goal is to go and win the whole damn thing. And I'm not going to do that with one extra player. If you're going to go get a guy and it's the right guy, fine. But I would rather see what happens and then use those picks later on to fill in where you're going to need it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And I don't want to name names here, but I think there are vested players on your team that could be worth something there on the market that I don't think you see a future for sure. There are quite a few and at least for me currently, that's. I would start building capital for the future.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I I for me, that's your GM.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's my, that's my GM, my coaching hat. Marisley foul. Absolutely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

100.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't need to see the current Linebacker core as they stand, not naming names. I don't want to see the current linebacker corps as they stand on the field again, period.

[Patrick Walker]

I named a name.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick Walker]

Continue.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, Antoine from Pasadena is our next caller. Antoine, what's going on, my friend?

[Caller]

Good morning, man. How are you?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Great.

[Isaiah Stanback]

How are you?

[Caller]

I'm fine. Hey, tell me something about this kid, number 25, Trickweasey Bridges. Yeah, he had a good game on tape. And you have Freddy Stewart. Those are two. Two guys. I'm not saying you can build a secondary round, but their efforts, yeah, their effort is exactly what you want to see out of the George Pickens of the world and out of the Lozzie Smith of the world. And it would be nice if there was a message the rest of the team that it's going to be effort that carries this team through the rest of the season. It's going to be the effort that makes up for the injuries. What are your thoughts?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Appreciate you in the question as well. Bridges in and ready. Steward, were those two guys, of course, that were late in the edition, they were the first waiver wire wave that came in. So a lot of Cowboys fans are seeing them really for the first time because of that depth overall. Thank you for the call and thank you for the question. But what did you see from those guys?

[Isaiah Stanback]

I think those guys are great run fits. I don't see them as coverage guys right now. They might be good zone coverage guys if they know their responsibilities. I honestly didn't spend a lot of time watching them individually, so I would have to go back to speak in more detail about them. But I do know, and I did mention this, you know, off, off air, those guys are going to come up and hit you. So I do agree with you on the effort aspect. If I'm putting on my GM hat, I am one that would load up my team with high effort individuals. Very much so. Like Detroit.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And I'm so glad you bring it up.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Somebody we saw last night also.

[Patrick Walker]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Who was here. Who was here in training 2024.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Say the name again, just to be clear.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Al Kadin.

[Patrick Walker]

Muhammad.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There you go.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And you saw him last. Last night make at least three two, seven two and a half.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. With the Detroit Lions.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Played lights at lights out for the.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Started for them.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Started for them. Playing across the. Across from Hutchinson. Yes, absolutely. And just high effort guy that's making plays that is earned spot and is fighting for that position. And I do not think you have enough guys like that on this team currently that are doing that and I was.

[Patrick Walker]

And Shamar James mad, I think James Houston in that.

[Isaiah Stanback]

James Houston.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Is that James Houston is one of those guys. Shamar James.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yep.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Still inactive. I don't understand it. Guys like that, that need to earn that spot, I think that are hungry, you need out there and you're just not seeing it right now.

[Isaiah Stanback]

And. And so to that point, it's a.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Very well said because some guys are just giving this like it goes, that's my boy. Like it goes to throw him out there.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It goes to my point that I was saying some coaches have affiliations. So you talk about like a Sandborn, right? Okay, I understand he. He understands your system. He comes in, all right, boom, he's your guy. But once the game start and you put on the film, it's like, okay, okay, I'm waiting. And if you don't see it, you have to make a change, right? You have, you look at the secondary. We're running basic schemes. All right, I understand that you're high paid. Understand we just, we gave you the bag a couple years ago or maybe even last year. But if you can't get the job done and you're not executing what I'm telling you, I'm going to the next man that is ready and willing to let me see if he wants to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Right.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Because it's the next man up mentality. You don't want to do it. I can't make you do anything. You're a grown man. You make your own decisions, right? You have a paycheck, you have a contract. You decide to do what we're asking you to do or quote, unquote, not understand what we're doing. Okay, cool. You be in that moment. I'm going to the next guy. That's, that's how this league works. There's no feelings, there's no emotion. Like nobody, nobody's coming to care about your feelings.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

We have a mission. And if you can't get the job done, I'm going on to the next guy. Last night I'm watching that game and I text my guy. I was livid because last year at training camp, during, during the preseason games, I talked about him. I said, that's my dude. When I watch him in practice, my eye just is attracted to individuals like that. I'm like, he's a dude. He's a guy. Yeah. Does he need some more moves? Yeah, but look at his body type and look at his effort. You can't teach either one of those things.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And I'll back this up because I Remember standing there. We were in the back corner of the end zone, closest to the tunnel, where the players walk out, and the defense was going that direction. The offense was coming toward us, and we were. I remember watching, and Muhammad was on the side of the line of scrimmage, and Isaiah is sitting here. He's like, damn, it's like that 92 cat or whatever number it was. I remember you said the number. Was it 92. I can't remember what. What his number was, but it was one of the. Whatever his number was. I remember you saying, man, that you didn't even have his name yet. You were like, he's. He's real. And I mean, like you said, there was. There were growing pains. There were things that he needed to learn to get there.

[Isaiah Stanback]

But look where he's at.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He. He just showed. He announced his presence to the National Football League on a national stage last.

[Isaiah Stanback]

He almost has as many sex as your entire team from last night's game.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's true.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Crazy.

[Patrick Walker]

And the Ravens in Baltimore in big, bold letters.

[Josh Rodriguez]

In big, bold letters, next man up should not just apply to injury. You should be able to look at the guys that you have on the field and say, we need to make.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It like they said in training camp.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And like that energy. And I'll give Shoddy a credit because he said it yesterday. He's like, we're going to make personnel changes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We're going to take a hard look. You hope to see it.

[Isaiah Stanback]

And I know we got to get this next caller. Just be direct. Don't break the things that we're referring to. They're inexcusable. Like, the mistakes that are happening are beyond inexcusable. These are the most simplistic people I'll talk about after the game. Oh, we're going to have to get to a more simplistic defense. There's nothing else that's more simplistic than what's already being ran. Yeah, like legit. Like I. I would.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You're talking about, like, the call should be more simplistic, but there is nothing.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Else that you can run that is more simplistic than what's being called and the fact that these guys are not executing it. Have to make changes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Got to make a switch. Got to make a switch. And we've got to take a break. When we come back here on talking Cowboys, we've got a couple more callers. We've got Troy on the line. We've got John on the line. It's not Troy Aikman. I wish he was calling. That'd be fun, too. But that's okay. We're going to be totally fine. We'll be back with more right after this.

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Welcome back in to Dear doctor the show where I answer life's questions with an ice cold can of Dr. Pepper. Sheila, let's hear from our next caller, would you?

[Caller]

Dear doctor, My friend supported me during.

[Isaiah Stanback]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick Walker]

He had forgotten. He had forgotten.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, let's get to these next couple callers. The calls have been phenomenal today.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Good job, callers.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You guys are really bringing the heat today. This one is Troy from Philly, one of our very own. Troy, an enemy behind enemy lines giving us a call. Troy, what's on your mind?

[Caller]

My guys, what's going on, man?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Good to hear from you.

[Caller]

Same here, man. Well, first of all, I'll be Troy Aikman if you want me to, you know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Come on.

[Caller]

I have no problem with that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I just need somebody to give us a call so that way we can bring him back in the building.

[Patrick Walker]

That's all it is.

[Caller]

I wish I could do the impersonation. I would do it for you. You guys are all over it, man. I'm totally where you are because I believe that this team. There's definitely some problems on the field, but I think most of this team's problem is off the field on the sideline because I'm seeing the same old coaching stuff. We're gonna do it our way. And my guys and. And I thought all that Was supposed to be different because that defense is not working. I want to see just like you guys were saying. I need to see 30, I need to see 35. You know, I use the numbers. I don't call.

[Patrick Walker]

No, we're with you, you know?

[Caller]

Yeah, I need to see 50. Like, where is this guy? Like, you got dynamic players sitting on your bench like that. You're not playing. Where is the word he's got? But, and it can't be that they're not getting it because the guys on the field ain't getting it. So what I mean, it can't be like, I, I need to see more of the guys that's not on the field. And if I see 57 on the field one more time, I'll be calling you guys next week from Best Buy because I'm going to need another tv. Like, I, I'm sick of him. I really am. I get that he may be trying and all that. I get it. But I, I, I can't do him anymore. I, I can't. If I, I want to just switch over to the office for a minute because I, it's the exasperation. What was it? 19 plays, 76 yards, 10 minutes, and they ran the ball 11 straight times. I'm screaming at my TV even before they drive scene. Once 88 goes down, we need to be running the ball more. You're getting seven to pop every single time. This guy, you now have a running game of a running back. Run the ball. He needed to have 30 carries last week. 30 carries and you get the other guy. I really don't care much for 24, but you get, you get the other guy. Seven or eight. Like, that's where we needed to be on offense. And then one last thing. We don't have a 1A and a 1B in terms of receiver. We got 1 and a 2. Because if we had a 1 and a 1A and 1B, 1B will be able to do what 1A does once, once 88 went out. To me, it looked like San Francisco playoff game a few years ago. That's what it looked like to me. We're right back to that same thing where we, There is nobody we can get the ball to bring. Run the ball, get that safety in the box, and then you can do what you want to do behind that. I'm not getting it. Thanks, guys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Lots to unpack there. Really good call. Overall, Troy, I think you did a great job, and I agree with you on the last side of it. If Pickens is going to have to show that he's a one this week.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I I would argue that you do have a 1A and 1B. I think the talent is there for George Pickens. I think he hasn't been running routes very well. He hasn't been great in run blocking but he the talent is there obviously. But I think you're back to the issue of last year where you do have a one, a solidified one and then you have a three and a four and a five. You see what I'm saying? There is no second option there. You have Kevonte Turpin who I think you can see well, who's played well. He's great and he's very talented obviously. But I think defenses can kind of scheme him out of the play. I just don't think you have a reliable enough to I'm just going to.

[Patrick Walker]

Go ahead and say it again. I'm gonna say it Ryan Flournoy. I need to see more of Ryan Flournoy. I need to see it. I mean when you look at and this is why I posed the question to Shoddy yesterday, more opportunity or more from his opportunity? Because when given the opportunity Ryan Flournoy has done his job and then some he's giving you the plus on top of the doing the basic of doing his job right. So even in Chicago obviously the game starts getting out of hand and Chicago starts pulling away. Now we start start to see in that time frame Ryan Floynois get targeted and then what did he do his job and then got you some yak after that. Good quality catches going up high, pointing the catches. He's physical, he has to speed his route running is is vastly improved over last season which wasn't poor but that means it's that much better this season. So for for the question of you know what's the answer? In the absence of CD Lamb, I asked Shoddy about Jonathan Mangle as well and he did say Jonathan Mingle is man a pro is nearing the finish line. So his 21 day practice window key to note can be activated as early as next week if the Cowboys choose to do so. So Jonathan Mingle might be on the way back. But as far as this week, effective this week, there's no reason in my mind that Ryan Floy shouldn't be given some some a good amount of targets opposite George Pickett.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Totally agree.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The moment that Patrick just mentioned Ryan Flournoy and Jonathan Mingo, Isaiah just let out the biggest yawn and I couldn't agree more. I just don't think those guys are very good right now. I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I didn't change your mind at all.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Not even a little bit?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Really?

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, I, until I see it in the regular season and Ryan Flournoy has made a couple plays, I'll give him very much so credit and look great.

[Patrick Walker]

Show me season also.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Show me more.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Are they giving you more than Jalen Tolbert right now?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, Jayla, I've been very disappointed in Jalen Tolbert and I've been very active in saying yeah, I've been disappointed.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Jalen Tolbert's route running is fine. It's good.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Probably the best you have right now.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Probably the best you have right now.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So what is he doing?

[Kyle Yeomans]

But he doesn't do anything else. I, I, he doesn't block. He doesn't give a ton of effort.

[Isaiah Stanback]

There's, you can say that about there.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Are things when he has the ball in his hand, where's he going?

[Isaiah Stanback]

You can say that about others. I agree that are paid more than.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Him and we've said it on this show.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I didn't say it makes it okay. I'm not on the the Thrash Jalen Tolbert train right now because, because, because Jalen Tolbert. Jalen Tolbert is your best route runner right now that you have available.

[Caller]

Now.

[Patrick Walker]

Wait, I'd argue.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Oh, yes.

[Patrick Walker]

I just want to argue it might be Kevante.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Is that good? Is that a good thing that Jalen Tolbert is your best route runner right now?

[Isaiah Stanback]

No, it's not your best right? No, it's not. It's not what you want. It's not what you want. But I mean, it's the, it's a reality, you know, I mean, that's what you have at your, that's what you have right now.

[Patrick Walker]

Going to give you routes. He's going to give you physicality in, in his possessions. He's also going to give you a ton. I almost curse a ton of effort in his blocking in the run game. That's what you're going to get from Jalen Tolbert in addition to his value on special teams. Again, there's no reason we should not see more Ryan Floy. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Going forward, John from Alaska is our fifth and final caller today. John, thanks for waking up early and starting your day with us. What's going on?

[Caller]

Good morning. Good morning. It is early. I need some black.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, buddy.

[Caller]

Hey, y' all took most of my points. I was going to talk about ask if Flournoy was going to get more, more Reps because Lamb is out. But I agree with you. I'd like to see more Bell, Thomas and Carson on defense. The one thing that I haven't heard mentioned is from the, from the, the information that we have at the moment for the three games, a birthless is his defense. His style is kind of reminding me of a previous defensive coordinator we had.

[Patrick Walker]

Don't say Mike Poland. Oh, he said it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There are a lot of people making that comparison. Mike Nolan. Mike Nolan, D.C. nolan, 2020.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's kind of an inception of way.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There's also a first year with a new head coach and a lot of similarities there.

[Caller]

Yeah, but. Well, Nolan, if I remember correctly, his. His issue was that he was trying to fit players into his scheme. And I'm just wondering from, from your perspective, is Berthless trying to do the same thing or is it something else?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I appreciate the call, John. Great question, Isaiah. Based on what you're seeing, is it. Is it there again, is it. Is it back to that point.

[Isaiah Stanback]

No, I don't. I don't have a problem with Eberfluss's system.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't think I do either.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I don't.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's not the mic.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Nolan was super complex.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah, I really don't.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A lot of complexity.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Listen, there's a lot of. If you go back, I don't know how many people. How in depth people get, but if you go and watch the film and you understand defensive concepts and responsibilities based upon coverages and based upon the defensive line assignments and how the linebackers are supposed to play off of that and everything that coincides that to make a good, good, good defense, you. I can see the framework of what it's supposed to be. I genuinely can see the framework. And then you can see individuals who are doing their assignments, but then you. On those same plays that you can circle individuals that are doing what's asked of them, you also can circle individuals who are not doing what is asked of them. And if one person fails to do their job on a defense in a scheme, it exposes everybody. So I don't have a problem with Eber Flu's system. And I, I really, really would advise people to go watch the film and really kind of pull the E brake back a little bit on their criticism of Eber Flutes at this time, even though it's easy to do. So this is his unit if changes aren't made this week.

[Patrick Walker]

Right.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Which are Eber Flutes and Shoddy. Right. And this is a big moment for them in terms of culture and really in terms of the culture that they've been preaching, then I would say that the scrutiny is warranted. Right. But in terms of scheme, this guys just aren't doing what's asked of them. Literally on the touchdown, we talked about it already, the touchdown with the seams, two people didn't do their job. Donovan Wilson didn't get a jam on the same route, and Malik Hooker was over there on the opposite hash. I don't know what he was doing playing hooky on the opposite side. Those are two guys that fail to do their job and exposes everybody. When you go back to the touchdown, when they were playing match zone and who scored back there? DJ Moore.

[Kyle Yeomans]

DJ Moore.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Everybody did their job. Malik Hooker did not do his job. Right. So literally everybody else was doing what's asked of them. One person did not. So guess what? Everybody looks bad. So I'm saying, like, understand this, that you can have everybody doing what they're supposed to do. And if one or two guys decides to go rogue, everybody looks bad. And who they're gonna point the finger at. Eber flu isn't doing his job. That's wrong. That's what's wrong. It's just these guys aren't being. Aren't doing what's asked them. Therefore, if the changes aren't made in the personnel, then go ahead and shoot the messenger.

[Patrick Walker]

That. That's. That's the crux of my issue with Eber flutes right now. It's not the system. The players are not executing well enough. And that include. It starts from the pass rush, the lack of pass rush, the lack of the ability.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It doesn't help.

[Patrick Walker]

It doesn't help. But then what that does is expose even more so the miscommunications on the back end, because there's time for those miscommunications to be exploited, because the password is not getting there. So one thing makes the other thing worse. Now, that is not on either flutes. That. That is not schematic for me. For me, it's the decision to Sanborn over Marist, someone over Houston. However you want to spin it, this is a critical juncture right now, and this is why I'm completely with Isaiah. This is a critical juncture. We hear what you're saying, what you're saying. Shoddy and Eber flutes show us that the entitlement is not present. Yeah, we know Sanborn was with you in Chicago, and he is familiar with the scheme. Cool. He's struggling through these first three games. And you have an athletic guy, and you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You going, he's Struggling in a defense he knows.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yep.

[Patrick Walker]

To my point. And you have an athlete, Malik Hooker.

[Isaiah Stanback]

But, but it's, but it's important.

[Patrick Walker]

The decisions on personnel and that, that's. To this point, that's my. That' issue. And it's fixable.

[Isaiah Stanback]

And we have to get out of here. We have to go. But if you don't make the changes, trust me, and I know, I know from being in locker rooms, I know from hearing people walking around here, there's already fractures. There's already fractures in the locker room that freaking gorilla glue can't fix. If you don't make these changes this.

[Patrick Walker]

Week, no flex seal.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Because if you don't make these changes, guys already have it in their head, it doesn't matter what I do, that guy still going to get the first opportunity. That's already being said, right? That's already being said.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And that could be real dangerous.

[Isaiah Stanback]

And if you don't make the changes and give these guys the opportunity based upon the preachings of your teachings, you will lose the entire club. And if you don't believe me, go look at last week when people are getting sacked. Go look at last week when guys are making plays and see whether or not those guys are being picked up or if they're being celebrated.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We'll be back tomorrow to turn the page to the Green Bay packers game and see exactly what's going to happen with that Dallas defense taking on Jordan Love and the Green Bay packers offense. We're going to look into it and see can they make those changes and what changes should they make going into that matchup with Green Bay for Patrick Noi Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, Stand back. Pulp Bas in the back. He was the one answering the phone calls today. Let's go, P. Wall. All right, that's Paul in the back. I'm Kyle Y saying so long from talking Cowboys. We'll see you tomorrow. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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