Talkin’ Cowboys: Last Diggs

Summary

Talkin' Cowboys: "Last Diggs" – December 31, 2025

Episode Overview

In this New Year’s Eve episode, the Talkin’ Cowboys crew—Patrick "No C" Walker, Isaiah Stanback, Josh Rodriguez, and Kyle Yeomans—broadcast live from The Star in Frisco, TX, and dive deep into the bombshell news: the Dallas Cowboys’ unexpected release of cornerback Trevon Diggs. The panel breaks down the reasons behind Diggs's departure, debates his NFL future, and previews the upcoming Cowboys–Giants season finale. Expect passionate debate, detailed football insights, and bold predictions.

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Main Theme

The episode centers on the sudden departure of Trevon Diggs from the Dallas Cowboys, exploring the buildup to his release, implications for player/team dynamics, and possible next steps for Diggs and the Cowboys secondary. The crew also discusses what lies ahead for the team in their upcoming matchup against the New York Giants.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trevon Diggs Released: The Full Fallout

• Official News: Cowboys unexpectedly cut Trevon Diggs, placing him on waivers. (03:17)
• Confirmation: "He is placed on waivers which will clear at 3 o'clock central time." – Patrick (03:17)
• Culmination of Issues: Not just a single incident, but a “culmination of things.”
  • Initial rift began with rehab disputes after his knee injury. Diggs failed to do 85%+ of rehab at the team facility, resulting in a forfeited $500K bonus. (04:54)
  • Media issues: Joint interviews with Micah Parsons in Oxnard training camp “didn't help the relationship.”
  • Disgruntlement grew when Micah Parsons (his best friend) was traded, further deepening Diggs’s disconnect.
  • On-field issues: Diggs openly disagreed with defensive coordinator’s heavy zone usage, expressing preference for more man coverage.
• The 'Final Straw': After suffering a concussion at home—from a “TV entertainment pole”—Diggs was sidelined, activated late, and after playing two games, requested to remain in Maryland after a game for the holidays. He made this request only post-game, less than an hour before the team charter was to depart. The team denied the request, Diggs stayed behind anyway, and the Cowboys decided to move on. (08:07-09:13)
  • "It was a culmination of events and this just happened to be the straw that broke the camel's back." – Chris Beam (09:13)

2. Behind-the-Scenes Details

• Agent Change Already Made: Diggs hired David Mulugheta, who also represents the recently traded Micah Parsons and George Pickens (about to enter contract talks). (10:08-10:49)
• Speculation on Motivation and Future: Some panelists wonder if Diggs's moves are "an act of pettiness or at least just a chess move." (10:53)

3. Predicting Diggs’ NFL Future

• Waiver Scenarios: If a team claims Diggs, they take on his existing contract (~$400K for this year, with future obligations), but playoff teams may prefer to wait until he clears waivers and then sign him to a new deal. (12:29)
  • "He's hoping that a playoff team picks up his current contract; but he's also probably wishing upon a star right now that nobody touches him—so he can pick where he wants to go." – Isaiah Standback (13:13)
• Landing Spots: Potential destinations discussed—Green Bay (with Micah Parsons), Chicago (with ex-coach Al Harris), the Commanders, Raiders, Giants, Jets, Cardinals. (11:05-11:53)
• Readiness and Role: Uncertainty over whether Diggs would play in the regular season finale; more likely to suit up for Wild Card weekend if picked up by a contender. (14:00-14:12)
• Panel Divided:
  • Optimistic: Isaiah and Chris believe Diggs can still be "one of the better cornerbacks in the league in the right situation," especially as a supporting player on a loaded team. (35:09)
  • Skeptical: Kyle argues Diggs’ best days are behind him due to injuries, lack of commitment, and declining play—even suggesting, "I don't think he has anything left." (33:26)

4. Locker Room Culture & "Switch Players" Debate

• Turning It Off and On: Lively discussion on whether it’s common or acceptable for NFL players to “turn the switch off” when dissatisfied. Isaiah insists this is more prevalent than fans realize and sometimes successful players do just that. (23:48)
  • "Plenty of guys who turn the switch off and turn it on... Not every player is playing with the light switch on all the time." – Isaiah Standback (23:48)
  • “But how is that indicative of a good football player?” – Josh Rodriguez (23:37)
• Culture Fit and Player Management: Emphasize management's preference for consistency, but acknowledge that talent often buys some players second chances—even if they’re “light switch” types.

5. Comparisons and Past Players' Departures

• Reference to DeMarcus Lawrence’s Exit: Both sides debate whether leaving the Cowboys led to a career revival or if injuries and other factors played a larger role; broader comparison to other ex-Cowboys. (24:14 - 26:38)
• Examples of Success and Flop After Leaving Dallas: The panel highlights nuance: not every departure results in a resurgence, and circumstances vary.

6. Giants Game & Cowboys Defense Preview

• QB Vision with Isaiah Standback: A granular look at the Giants’ defensive schemes. Isaiah calls attention to:
  • Dexter Lawrence ("Sexy Dexy") as a disruptive nose guard.
  • Bobby Okereke (linebacker) and Abdul Carter (rookie DE) as major playmakers; Carter especially compared to Micah Parsons in motor and style (42:49).
    • "Every play he takes, every snap is balls to the wall." – Isaiah Standback (43:02)
• Giants defense: Multiple, unpredictable alignments, with heavy blitzing (expected at ~25% this week).
• Giants' rookie QB Jackson Dart expected to bring energy.

7. Bold Predictions: “Get Your Popcorn Ready”

• Segment Highlights: Josh lays out three cinematic “Popcorn Predictions” for the Giants game:
  1. Darty Supreme: Giants rookie QB Jackson Dart puts up a 140+ passer rating (very bold, panel skeptical).
  2. Eye on the Ball Carrier: Malik Davis rushes for back-to-back 100+ yard games (more buy-in from the crew).
  3. Wolves of Wall Street: Cowboys narrowly escape with a Butter Aubrey game-winning kick.
• Panel mostly likes the running game prediction; sees the Giants as feisty but outmatched.

8. Pick ‘Em & Season Record

• Call-in guest “Angel” joins the picks segment.
• Panel makes predictions for Week 18, with spirited trash talk over season-long standings.
• Final Cowboys–Giants score predictions:
  • Kyle: Cowboys 47 (40-burger warning!)
  • Isaiah: Cowboys 24-17
  • Josh: Cowboys 30, Giants 20-34
  • Chris: Cowboys 35-27

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Diggs' Departure:

  • "How you gonna get fired on your day off? ... the divorce was something a lot of us had foreseen coming for a while." – Patrick & Josh (03:46)
  • "It was a culmination of events, and this just happened to be the straw that broke the camel's back." – Chris Beam (09:13)
  • “He is of the persona that will decide to or not to. ...the boy could still play. He decided not to play here anymore.” – Isaiah Standback (24:46, 25:57)

• On NFL Player Motivation:

  • "There's a lot of guys in that locker room that do the same thing—turn it on, turn it off. ... Not every player's light switch is on all the time." – Isaiah Standback (23:48)

• On Risk vs. Talent:

  • "You don't like players who turn a light on or off. ...You want a guy who always keeps their light on." – Isaiah Standback (15:28)

• On Diggs’ Future:

  • "Somebody's going to say: 'That's a former All Pro, we can fix him.'" – Chris Beam (20:59)
  • "He doesn't want to be the guy. He wants to be another guy, a part of a lot of other guys." – Isaiah Standback (21:27)
  • “If he gets an interception in the playoffs, that would be more than he had all season with this DC.” – Chris Beam (22:17)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Trevon Diggs Released: News & Reaction – 03:17–10:49
• Motivation, Locker Room Dynamics, "Switch Players" – 15:28–26:38
• Future Destinations & Waiver Discussion – 11:05–14:12
• Comparisons: D-Law & Past Departures – 24:14–26:38
• Giants Defense Deep Dive (QB Vision) – 39:04–44:17
• Bold “Popcorn Predictions” Segment – 49:53–53:53
• Picks Segment & Score Predictions – 54:00–58:26

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Tone and Flow

• The episode is fast-paced, irreverent, and lively—true to the “Talkin’ Cowboys” brand. Panelists bounce debates between football geekery, hard truths about player motivation, and fan-centric optimism. Friendly ribbing and pointed disagreements are the norm, but always underpinned by deep knowledge and mutual respect.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode is a must-listen for any Cowboys fan eager for authentic insight into one of the most dramatic roster shakeups in recent Dallas history. The debate around Trevon Diggs’s exit is as much about football as it is about culture and character—and as always, these Cowboys pull no punches with each other or the franchise they cover. On to the Giants, and on to 2026.

Transcript

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[Patrick Nosi Walker]

The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Talking Cowboys streaming live from the Dallas Cowboys world headquarters at the Star in Frisco. CD Lamb Touchdown.

[Chris Beam]

It's on. Jake Ferguson.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Prescott keeps it and he bangs it.

[Isaiah Standback]

In for the touchdown.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

And now your hosts, Isaiah stand back. Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans. Listen here, Cowboys Nation. Listen here, talking Cowboys fan, Mali and everybody that likes to tune in here on this beautiful day in North Texas. We got one last shot at this.

[Isaiah Standback]

What?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

We got one last show of the 2025 calendar year because Happy New Year, everybody. It is New Year's Eve. We've also got one more show in the 2025 regular season. No shows on New Year's Day, no shows on Friday. So that must mean. And it's going to feel a little weird, it's going to feel a little different because we still play on Sunday. Cowboys taking on the Giants at noon. But just because it is a New Year's holiday and we get a little bit of time off, that doesn't mean we got a time off right this second. Got a lock in over the next 45 minutes because it's a.

[Chris Beam]

Say it with your chest.

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Wednesday.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Here are talking Cowboys.

[Isaiah Standback]

Clear.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Talking Cowboys. Bring the gear. Isaiah's fire cow sharp spear.

[Chris Beam]

No see.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Josh roaring near from the top ropes down we dive. Every step keeps us up. Staying with your chest. Scream it out loud. It's a stay with you, Jeff.

[Isaiah Standback]

Wednesday, the final week of the regular.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Season is upon us and there's a lot of news to catch up on over the last 24 hours. Just in case you missed it. You're not going to miss it. Here on Talking Cowboys with Patrick Noi Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back and Kyle Yeomans. Hope you're having a great New Year's Eve to start closing out your 20, 25 the right way and getting ready for whatever that move was.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Start.

[Isaiah Standback]

I had to stop doing it. Did you start getting one? That person is banned for 25.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Oh, yeah. Gone for that one.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, that guy's gone.

[Chris Beam]

You didn't. You didn't like you didn't like the move.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, I like the moves.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I liked the moves.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Speaking of gone. Speaking of gone, you said that person's gone.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, I was talking about. I can't.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Oh, yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Just move no more because that musical artist has been deleted.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

You can't say him.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Can't talk about.

[Isaiah Standback]

But yeah, there is somebody else that's gone, I believe. Right.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

There is somebody that is gone. And we're gonna get right into it. Largest news of the day yesterday in Cowboys nation. Revaldo Fairweather, tight practice squad. He's going to Arizona to play with the Cardinals. He will be on their active roster. Love you, Rivaldo Fairweather. Seriously not what I'm talking about, though. Trayvon Diggs, no longer a part of the Dallas Cowboys. Released yesterday by the team. He is placed on waivers which will clear at 3 o' clock central time.

[Josh Rodriguez]

How are you going to get fired.

[Chris Beam]

On your day on, day off? On your day off? I mean, it was. I mean, the. The divorce was something that a lot of us, including plenty in the family, had, you know, foreseen coming for quite a while for varying reasons. But nonetheless, I think we were all on the same page as far as this was probably this relationship was going to end. Now, would that have been via trade in the off season, as many of us thought it would? Maybe like a post June cut to maximize savings. There are different ways that we could have seen it ending before the final game. Didn't see that. Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Kind of interesting.

[Isaiah Standback]

A lot of rumors out there.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, a lot of rumors. I can tell you what is. What is known and I can confirm, you know, after asking around, asking some questions. So obviously this is a culmination of things. Right. This is, you know, going back to the.

[Josh Rodriguez]

To your.

[Chris Beam]

The disconnect. No, I'm not going to say to my understanding. That was just weird. Everybody had. To my understanding. That's funny.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Almost like the understanding came from one spot.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Which it did.

[Chris Beam]

It did.

[Isaiah Standback]

All right.

[Chris Beam]

Everybody's understanding. The same text message. Okay. So beyond that text message, let's just talk about the real. The real is the Cowboys and Trevon Diggs. The rift initially began with the disconnect with his rehabilitation from his knee surgery. Okay. Started there. You know, they refused to pay him the $500,000 clause because he didn't rehab in this facility more than 85% of that. That journey. Okay. It began there. It continued with and through the Micah Parsons debacle.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yes.

[Chris Beam]

Okay. With he and Michael Parsons holding, you know, combo interviews, I guess you could say. It right at. In Oxnard at training camp, they didn't like the optics of that, so they didn't help the relationship. And then you go into the regular season ahead of the regular season. What happens? Michael Parsons gets traded. We all know Michael Parsons is Trayvon Diggs's bestie. Bestie, bestie, bestie, bestie. Okay. Didn't like that. Well, Trayvon didn't like that. That drove the wedge even deeper.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He didn't like those words.

[Chris Beam]

He didn't like those words, Josh. And then you go into the season and now you have a disconnect, not simply with the front office, but now with your defensive coordinator because you don't like the scheme that he's running. Now, to be fair, we don't like the scheme that he's running either. Difference being we don't have to wear the uniform.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

So there you go. Trayvon Diggs at that during the season. Although respectfully, he did point out that he feels like the Cowboys should run more man versus zone. Obviously hard to disagree. Hard to disagree. He was right. So. But nonetheless, coaching staff didn't much take a liking of that. That drove the wedge that much deeper. Then comes the concussion. Okay. The concussion that occurred at home. And whether you believe that it was the pole that was he was using to hang the TV or one of the entertainment variety, doesn't matter. Fact is one of the same. Yeah. One and say in fact is he got, you know, hit in the head with a pole of some sort.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

He got looney tuned.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, he did a pole that was meant for certified.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Bonked.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, he got bonked. He got bonked.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

A lot of rumors out there for that. But the official statement is. That is the official statement was the.

[Chris Beam]

TV entertainment poll suffered a concussion, a severe concussion. He missed a couple games because of that. And then the Cowboys put him on ir then said it was not simply due to the concussion, but also because they felt that he needed to get, quote, unquote, get his knee right. Okay. So he went to. Went on to miss at least four games. He came back, he was activated at the last possible second in his 25, 21 day window. Played against the Chargers, played against the Washington Commanders four days later on Christmas. And now here comes the final chapter of the story, which is Trayvon Diggs did in fact ask the Cowboys if he could hang back. Now, keep in mind, Trayvon Diggs is from Maryland. Okay, so. So he asked if he could hang back to be with family for the holiday weekend and he was denied his request. His response was he would simply be flying back to Dallas just to turn around and fly back to D.C. back to the Maryland area, to which the Cowboys could not have cared less. They denied the request. Again, he chose to.

[Isaiah Standback]

I must state this for those who don't know. That is a common request for players whenever there is a weekend or upcoming days off. So that's not an out of the ballpark request. We have Friday, Saturday, Sunday off. Can I just stay at the crib?

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Okay. Let me give context, please. Though he didn't give the request ahead of time, he gave it to him post game in the locker room.

[Isaiah Standback]

Got you. So it was a late request request.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

So less than an hour before the charter was going to last decision by him. It was a last minute decision by him. I don't think this was a, hey, on Monday or Tuesday, Trayvon Diggs requested to fly back with the team sort of scenario. This was a, hey, I just thought of this. Can I go? And of course the protocol from a coaching standpoint and from a travel and security standpoint is no, no. If it's a last minute thing and it's not on the itinerary, not on the plan, then no. You can't change what is going to happen there, at least without penalty. And we've already seen that this is. He was released, but this was not a byproduct of a penalty for that one specific situation.

[Chris Beam]

Correct. Again, the key word here is culmination. It was a culmination of events and this just happened to be the straw that broke the camel's back between the two parties. So he, the request was denied. He stayed back anyway. Now, of course there are some things that are coming up on Instagram, some allegations as far as a concert is concerned. I'll let you guys in the family and the fans, I'll let you guys sort through all of that. I'm just talking to what I know. What I do know is that Turvon Diggs asked to stay back in Maryland. He was told no, he stayed back anyway, Cowboys said enough is enough. They waved him 24 hours on the waiver wire and we'll see if a team picks him up and if not, he'll be free to sign with any of the other 31 teams. And yesterday he took on the. He hired David Mulaguetto as the agent. So yeah, so you know, that's Trayvon Diggs. Trevon Diggs's situation with the Cowboys.

[Isaiah Standback]

Please give the context behind that specific.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, yeah. You know who else he represents?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Who's that Mike, he does represent Michael.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Of the Green Bay Packers.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

So did Trayvon. Did he fire his agent or did he not. He was not.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He was not represented by an agent at the time.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

And now he is.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

And you know who else? You know who else represents both Micah and Trayvon 3 or. And who else? He represents George Pickens, which is going up into a contract negotiation very shortly.

[Chris Beam]

Very shortly.

[Isaiah Standback]

So that particular agent has two players who left here somewhat disgruntled and has one more player still currently on the roster that needs a lot of money.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah. Yeah, I don't like those words.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Kind of seems like either an act of pettiness or at least just a chess move, if anything.

[Isaiah Standback]

Or Trayvon is just doing what he did in training camp and just getting behind Micah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, maybe.

[Chris Beam]

Which that goes to something I tweeted yesterday. If he clears waivers, which is becoming more likely that he will, but we'll see if he does clear waivers. There are two top teams that pop up on my radar for as likely Trayvon Diggs destinations, and that would be Green Bay with his bestie, Michael Parsons, and Chicago Bears with his former coach, Al Harris, whom they still have a very, very good relationship with. And I know a couple others popped up.

[Isaiah Standback]

You know who's mad right now? Naysha's like, no, I just got decided.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, that would be tough.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Get out of there.

[Chris Beam]

Oh, that would be tough. But a couple other destinations popped up. I know I saw some people asking me about the possibility of New England with Stefan, and I'm like, Stefan didn't have a great news day yesterday, so.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Bad day for the Diggs brothers.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

What does the future in New England look like for Stefan Diggs Based upon. Once more information tends to come out as.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I think the timing of the release changes that whole trajectory, because that could have been a possibility.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah. I just don't.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

But right after that story breaks and the felony charges that Stefan's now having to deal with, that I think it completely.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I would argue the Commanders would be another landing spot for dq.

[Chris Beam]

And they're high in the. In the waiver order. So if they can convince ownership dq. I mean, if he can convince Washington ownership to. To eat that contract.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's only $400,000. Right. In one game for this check for one game.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And that would also like, give you rights to.

[Chris Beam]

To him for the remainder of the contract. And then you could rework the contract once you get. Gets him in the building. So, I mean, they have the second.

[Isaiah Standback]

Highest team on the waivers is the.

[Chris Beam]

Giants all right, Giants or Cardinals? Giants, Jets. So it goes Raiders. And that's Raiders, Giants yesterday, Giants, Jets, Cardinals are. They're all in that.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Hold on.

[Isaiah Standback]

I think it's Raiders.

[Chris Beam]

And Commanders have four wins, so they're behind those three that we're talking as.

[Isaiah Standback]

A potential free agent. Somebody who's waiting to get your waivers. You're. At this time of the season. He's hopeful, I would imagine. This is me projecting, leaning on my former self. I. I would imagine that he's hoping that a playoff team.

[Chris Beam]

Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely.

[Isaiah Standback]

Pick up his current contract. If he does not clear waivers, they are picking up the contract that he had with.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He's healthy, he's ready to play.

[Isaiah Standback]

Right. He's hopeful that a playoff team picks him up, but he's also probably, like, wishing upon a star right now that nobody touches him.

[Chris Beam]

Right.

[Isaiah Standback]

Therefore, he can go pick where he wants to go based upon the pool of teams that are interested in him. Therefore, he would be able to conduct a new contract with this new agent. Because having a new agent with a preexisting contract does absolutely nothing for you. Right.

[Chris Beam]

And not just any old agent. The agent. The agent. So. So that's the latest on Trayvon digs. And like we said, we'll see where he lands. I'm of the belief that. What's Wednesday? I'm of the belief he has a new destination before Friday. Saturday at the latest, I think he'll be in someone's building.

[Isaiah Standback]

But does he play this year?

[Chris Beam]

I don't know that.

[Isaiah Standback]

Or in this season?

[Chris Beam]

I don't think he plays anyone's regular season finale.

[Isaiah Standback]

Okay.

[Chris Beam]

But if he gets picked up by a playoff team, I believe he plays.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Wild card weekend with Diggs.

[Chris Beam]

You'd have time if you. If you claim him or sign him this weekend, you got time for. To get them ready for wild card. So. Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Interesting.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

What is the percentage chance in your mind that he gets claimed versus signed prior to the playoffs? Because I think he will land somewhere.

[Isaiah Standback]

Oh.

[Chris Beam]

I was kind of going back and forth on this, and Josh and I were talking about it yesterday. I'm 50. 50 on it. Because of who? Because of what teams are in the top five of the waiver order.

[Isaiah Standback]

What if Cleveland grabs them?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Good.

[Isaiah Standback]

Him and Ward, they could.

[Chris Beam]

The Raiders could grab him. They have the top pick in the wafer order right now. Or top clean in the wafer order.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I will say these teams are not naive to the fact of how he's played this year. They're not naive. They may not know the extent of it. And they may think a change of scenery could.

[Isaiah Standback]

I think there's going to be a very strong disregard for the performance this year. Understanding the, the disgruntledness between him and ownership.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I've got the phrase all pro next to your name.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Teams are going to take a chance.

[Isaiah Standback]

Somebody will like, I'm like myself.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

It's just whether or not they're going to spend the money to do it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

He's still in his 20s. He's not over 30 yet. No.

[Isaiah Standback]

Like, I've sat here and said he.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Had major injuries, has flipped a switch.

[Isaiah Standback]

Like, he is literally the player. And you don't like this from a management perspective or coaching perspective. You don't like players who turn a light on or turn a light off. You just don't. Right. You like guys who always keep their light on.

[Chris Beam]

Right.

[Isaiah Standback]

I'm not sure what place that was, but we'll keep a light on for you. Right. But that's what you want, right? You want a guy. Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Not a sponsor, but, but yeah, you.

[Isaiah Standback]

Want to keep the light all the time. They definitely do. I like some Marriotts, but I think in terms of his performance also Omni, I can look at him and be like, yeah, Trayvon can still play. I like, I been it based upon the system, Trayvon can still play. I don't, I have no doubts or questions about that. It's just a matter is he motivated and does he want to. So in the right situation, if you are a team that has other players that are on that defensive side of the ball that can make plays, and if you are a team that has somebody that he likes or has a relationship with, you are most likely of the mindset of, yes, this is going to be a good thing for us because he'll turn the light on. It's not a Can he play? I don't think he's, I don't think he's that far off where people are like, I don't think he can play anymore, or I have questions whether or not he can play. It's really just he's not happy there and there's a lot of players who've done that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But I would argue if you're a team looking for help in the cornerback position, do you look at a guy that has an on and off switch?

[Isaiah Standback]

I, I, that's, that is that like.

[Josh Rodriguez]

If he doesn't like your defensive coordinator, he's going to shut it off for the whole year.

[Isaiah Standback]

That is my point. But I think again, you want that guy here in this organization, with this management and the history of this team.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

The same team, I think, paid him as the highest paid defensive.

[Isaiah Standback]

But it's not, it's not just a hip.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

And took care of him when they needed it the most. And when he went through surgeries and he went through rehabs, they gave him every sort of resource he possibly could. And how did he accept those resources? He rejected him. I don't know if there's, I don't think you can just push all that to the side. If he was playing well, then maybe that's the case. But he played like garbage while he was here. Let's call a spade a spade. He did not play well in 2025 as a part of the Cowboys secondary.

[Isaiah Standback]

No disagreement.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

So what NFL team is going to look at Trayvon Diggs and say, yeah, you know what, we're going to put all our eggs in his basket to possibly be a starter for a playoff caliber defense and say, oh, we have the track record that makes us feel confident in that sense.

[Isaiah Standback]

I'll say a lot of them.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah. So here's, I'm just, maybe here's the thing. Maybe there's, there's truth in what both of you are saying. And I see what both of you are saying, but here's the bottom line. The bottom line is contextually speaking, when you're one of these other 31 GMs, yes, you're looking at the fact that Trayvon Diggs played poorly in 2024. Yes, he did. Yes, you're looking at the fact that he did not get along with his defensive coordinator. You know what else you're looking at? The fact that you're, that defensive coordinator might be fired. The fact that no one played well for the most part in that defensive coordinator's defense, the fact that that defensive coordinator's defense allowed almost 500 yards on average, like historically and the previous.

[Isaiah Standback]

Right. Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

So the general manager and the owner of the other 31 teams, they're looking at the whole of that. So you're right, Kyle. They are saying, well, you know, he's coming off of knee injuries, major knee injuries, and he didn't play nice in 2025 with his D.C. or that organization. But they're also saying, well, that D.C. i could see if the defense was playing well, but Trayvon was the dark spot. Nobody was playing well. So, and this is not me taking sides one way or the other. This is saying, I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. And the bottom line is, I'M telling.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You, somebody's gonna have to take a chance.

[Chris Beam]

There will be. If he clears waivers, there's a playoff team that is willing. I'm signed Trayvon Diggs, but they won't view it as putting all of their eggs in his basket. Because if you're a playoff team, you likely already have at least one dude in your. In your second.

[Isaiah Standback]

Hopefully.

[Chris Beam]

Hopefully at least one dude. So adding him, you could look at it as a. I'm just going to say the name as from the Howie standpoint of overkill. Intentional overkill. Yeah, right. That's something Philadelphia Eagles do all the time. Intentional overkill.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

My point here in bringing all this up is, is to not say who or that he won't be signed. I think he will be signed for sure. I don't think he's going to be picked up on waivers for the 400. 400, $470,000 going into week and then somebody's going to want that contract in 2026 on their books immediately and then have to rework it.

[Isaiah Standback]

Agreed.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I think he passes through waivers and then it's wide open to anybody. And if you throw a couple hundred thousand dollars at him at that point, but you don't have any sort of tie to him in the future, I think that's where it would possibly be better.

[Isaiah Standback]

Teams are going to give themselves out an out. A lot of outs in his contract based upon what you're.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

The whole scenario. I just don't think anybody's going to pick him up on waivers.

[Isaiah Standback]

The question is his psychology. The question is not his physical play.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I would argue.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I would argue.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I would argue both right now.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

He hasn't been the same after those injuries.

[Isaiah Standback]

None of the corners for the Dallas Cowboys have.

[Chris Beam]

Right.

[Isaiah Standback]

You had two ball Hawks who play like trash over the last two years.

[Chris Beam]

The point being you don't know in this 2025 defense, you don't know because you're right, he's coming off of those injuries. That's a concern. But you don't know if he was going to be able to get back to peak form because the scheme he was dropped in was not conducive to him getting back to peak form. So my thing is you. You don't know. So if you're an opposing GM or an opposing owner of the other 31, kick the tires. You look at what your defense runs, who your DC is and you say does Trayvon Diggs fit this particular situation.

[Isaiah Standback]

And this personnel and this personnel and.

[Chris Beam]

That'S what you're looking at. And plenty of teams will say, that's a former All Pro. He's still in his late 20s. We can fix him. Somebody's going to say it. Somebody's going to say.

[Isaiah Standback]

And again, a lot of teams, right.

[Chris Beam]

And they're not, they're not looking at it as pushing their eggs all into that basket. Because if you're a playoff team, then again, likely you have at least one or two.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

If you're signing them to be a backup, then I think you're fine.

[Isaiah Standback]

No, Trayvon is going to go to a store. He is going to go to a loaded team. I'm tell you. That's what I mean right now.

[Chris Beam]

I hate to say it again.

[Isaiah Standback]

He is going. He doesn't want to be the guy. He wants to be another guy, a part of a lot of other guys.

[Chris Beam]

Yes.

[Isaiah Standback]

He's going to go to a team that is already loaded and you're going to be like, are you freaking kidding me?

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

That's what's going to. Just telling you, that's what's going to happen. And you're going to sit there, you're going to be like, you got to be freaking kidding me. You're going to be like, oh, good for them. And then he's going to go out there, he's probably going to ball out because he's playing with other guys. It's fun for him and he likes who he's around. That's what's going to happen. We will.

[Chris Beam]

Wasn't shown. Right.

[Isaiah Standback]

Gonna say again, come on, I want.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

To revisit this in a couple of weeks.

[Isaiah Standback]

He's going to go to a loaded team, bro.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Because I, I don't agree. I, I think he, I think he will go to a loaded team, but I don't think he's going to play a lot and I don't think he's going to be as big of an impact player.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He might have that moment. He might get a pick or something crazy. But like, long term, which I don't.

[Isaiah Standback]

See it for Trevor, I can't speak.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

To it hasn't been on there, which hasn't been.

[Chris Beam]

If he gets an interception in the playoffs, that would be one more interception and he got the entirety of 2025 with this.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

DC that's not a high bar to reach.

[Chris Beam]

No, it's not. What I'm simply saying is the improvement is the improvement. I'm not saying he'll go back to first team all pros.

[Isaiah Standback]

He said what, three coordinators in three years?

[Chris Beam]

But I do feel everybody, but I do Feel like.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, but who else is playing great?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Well, no, I get it.

[Ad Voice]

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[Patrick Nosi Walker]

We just show yesterday where I said this whole deal.

[Isaiah Standback]

I know, but I'm saying it's not very good. You're talking about two of the. In previous years. Two of the best ball hawks in football. Yes.

[Chris Beam]

Yes.

[Isaiah Standback]

Both of them have gotten different years.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yes.

[Isaiah Standback]

It doesn't matter. Both of them have gotten extensions. Yes.

[Chris Beam]

Yes.

[Isaiah Standback]

And both of them have done what since those extensions? Not anything because of them or because of the coordinators.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Who knows?

[Isaiah Standback]

You can't say both guys are just falling because they both just failed.

[Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

Everybody's not suddenly forgetting how to play.

[Isaiah Standback]

Exactly.

[Chris Beam]

That's all.

[Isaiah Standback]

I'm not taking any responsibility off of him. What I'm saying is there's a common theme.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Sounds like you're making excuses.

[Isaiah Standback]

Not at all. I'm just telling you that he's going to go to a loaded team and because he's fully capable of playing well, if the system allows for him Guy, he's going to select a system that works for him. That's just what you do when you're. If you become a free agent, he's going to have success. Now, I'm not wishing any bad about him or any of those things. I'm just telling you that the boy could still play. He. He decided not to play.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't. I don't think so.

[Isaiah Standback]

Okay. He. I'm telling. He decided not to play here anymore.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And how is that indicative of a good football player?

[Isaiah Standback]

Like how. It's not.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

He hates football. That's bad.

[Chris Beam]

Nah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

If you don't like football, then that's not.

[Josh Rodriguez]

If you don't want to be your best.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

How many times did you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

At every level.

[Isaiah Standback]

Listen, I hear you guys from the fan perspective. I'm telling you from the locker room perspective, there are plenty of guys who turn the switch off and turn it on.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I completely.

[Isaiah Standback]

There's a lot of guys that are in that locker room that do the same exact thing. We've seen it before. How many you guys have seen players in this locker room say you don't play? 100 every play. That's true.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah. And he got cut.

[Isaiah Standback]

Absolutely.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

And he hadn't played well wherever he went.

[Isaiah Standback]

I've also seen guys who have left this locker room because they didn't like things that were going on here. They went to other teams and they're balling.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Who?

[Isaiah Standback]

DeMarcus Lawrence. Okay.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

D. Law's a great example, but D. Law was playing well all the way through career here.

[Isaiah Standback]

D. Law wasn't having a great, great season here, either. And then he left.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

He was hurt the whole year, and so was Trayvon.

[Isaiah Standback]

Okay, how's it different?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

One of them was a mental fortitude leader, and the other one is Trayvon Diggs. That's the difference. Yeah. How many times did you criticize Trayvon for not wanting to come up and make a tackle? Not in 2025, but in 2023 and 2024 when he was still a significant part of.

[Isaiah Standback]

Is that absolutely the same way I used to critique CD Lamb for not going out and blocking? The same way I critique Dak Prescott for not reading coverages. Everybody had their faults. Everybody has areas improve upon. I'm just telling you from my eyes, my analytical eyes. He is of the Persona that will decide to or not to. You don't like that. You don't like that. The reality is every player that walks in the locker room has that choice. And your reality is every player that's on your roster is not playing with the light switch on all the time. That's the reality. There's not one roster that has everybody playing with the light switch on. It's not. There's not. It's not realistic to even think that it sounds good. It's nice to think about. That's not reality. Reality is players turn it on, they're turning off. The only difference is some guys are in a freaking free fishbowl because they're that good. Agree, if they weren't that good, you wouldn't be talking about them. Yeah, he is that good of a dog. On ball hawk. Does he miss sometimes? Absolutely. Most ball hawks take risk. He's a wall who takes risk at the. His career here in 25 has been disgruntled from training camp. He didn't want to be here no more. He didn't want to be here no more. The contract said be here every day. All right, I'm here. Give me my check until I get out of this situation. Once I get out of this situation.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Watch this.

[Isaiah Standback]

Turn the light back.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I think there. I think you're right. In most cases, we're gonna find out. I just don't believe that. What, Trayvon?

[Josh Rodriguez]

I think that is the case for the most part.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

The most part.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I think he's going to turn it on and then realize, oh, wow, I didn't do enough. Yeah, I didn't prepare enough. I wasn't here in the facility enough to contribute and be ready at my full capacity in order to be the guy that I once was. His best days are behind him.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I completely agree. And DeMarcus Lawrence, when he left, we went on this show and said, wow, D. Law landed in Seattle. He's back with his defensive line coach that was here and AD and Dirty who's now the defensive coordinator up in Seattle. That's a great fit. I think D. Law is going to have a solid year.

[Chris Beam]

I'm not saying that one. We are really dealing with some recency bias here because I remember D. Law was absolutely scraping raped by the Cowboys fans for saying that they were tired at the end back end of that season. Oh, how people forget. So yes, I agree. D. Law was one of the consummate leaders in the locker room. But he also. Yeah, but he also did something verbalized. Something that Isaiah is verbalizing right now. Some players turn the switch on, turn the switch off. Some players make excuses even when their leaders in the locker room and they shouldn't. But because D. Law is playing so well, fans have forgotten that they dragged him over the coast for saying that the Cowboys got tired. They dragged him over the coals this free agency when he said he knew he wasn't going to win a Super bowl with Dallas so he went to Seattle and everyone said, well, you're not going to have a better chance than Seattle.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

He sure did. Sure did.

[Chris Beam]

My point being don't forget certain things because you want to point out other things. That's all I'm saying. As far as Trayvon Diggs goes, I do believe his best days are behind him. I don't believe all of his good days are behind him. That's the best way.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I've got a percentage of snaps in my head. I'm going to tell you guys in the break if he hits that I will run a half marathon in the playoffs. If he hit. Nah, I'm not going. I don't want to kill myself, but I like, I, I've got a percentage that if he plays that percentage of defensive snaps in the playoffs.

[Isaiah Standback]

Oh, I don't know.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I would. You just told me this was all about this year, this whole conversation.

[Isaiah Standback]

No, it was. You said we don't want to.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We're talking.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

We don't want to go long term. We don't want to. We're not talking long term. You just said that.

[Isaiah Standback]

I didn't say. I said. No, no, no, I said that. Hold on.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

We got to go to break. When we come back, we'll continue this conversation with more talking Cowboys after this.

[Chris Beam]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Isaiah Standback]

Oh, I watched. Been seeing some good things.

[Chris Beam]

Totally. They have some talent.

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[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Some great talent.

[Chris Beam]

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[Isaiah Standback]

Go Cowboys.

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[Isaiah Standback]

Hey, yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

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[Isaiah Standback]

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[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Back to Talking Cowboys. Back here on Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company. Here from the star in Frisco, Patrick Nosi Walker. Josh Rodriguez. Isaiah, stand back. I'm Kyle Yeomans with Chris Beam in the back. Couple comments that I thought were funny. Man, this is great from Melvin. He just thinks that the debate going back and forth is significant. The ultra Cowboy agrees with me. He says because there's a better chance of a leprechaun popping out of your lucky charms than Higgs becoming a good player. Again, which I agree. I just don't think he has.

[Chris Beam]

There are also those who agree with Isaiah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

There are some people that agree with Isaiah and that's a part of it. I think both of them have legitimate thoughts. And I think if you think Digg still has it left, then he could be productive somewhere down the line. I just don't think he's one of those. I'm not one of those guys. I don't think he has anything left and that's part of it. We are going to find out. So in the break, we didn't even get the chance to talk about it because I was trying to find a clip Here for Isaiah.

[Chris Beam]

It's not there.

[Isaiah Standback]

We did figure out it's not there.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I haven't gotten a chance. It's definitely there. The thought process for you. We did clear this up. You were talking about long term. I'm talking about. I don't think he has it, period. But I'm saying immediately with a team, he's not going to make an impact guy. I don't think he'll make an impact anywhere anymore.

[Isaiah Standback]

I think it depends on the organization. I think it depends on the organization if he clears waivers. He has an agent now that is very smart that knows how to select a team that contractually he'll be fine. Right. There will be outs for the team, of course, because of all these question marks that they have. But it's going to be a team that has. Is. That is of his best interest. Right. Not. It's not even going to be the money bag up front. It's going to be. I think that his. His contract is going to be structured in a way. It's like, all right, bet. Let me show you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

More importantly, he wants to be in a team that is loaded.

[Isaiah Standback]

He wants to be on a loaded team. Yep, that's. And that's what I foresee happening. I.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So that he can look good again.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

So that.

[Isaiah Standback]

Absolutely. He doesn't want to bear the weight of it. He wants to be a complimentary.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Not that guy.

[Isaiah Standback]

He wants to be a really good, complimentary player.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Hey, pal, you're not that guy.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, I mean, I just don't think that he wants a responsibility of being that guy. I think he could be that guy if he wanted to again. But it's a choice and.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But it's a problem, Isaiah.

[Isaiah Standback]

No, it's an absolute problem. But it happens in every locker room.

[Chris Beam]

Josh. I just think it's a str. Again, I'll state this. I think it's a stretch to say that all of the good football is going from Trayvon Diggs. We can say all of the elite football is likely going from Trayvon Diggs. But I still think he can be one of the better. And don't twist my words. I didn't say one of the best. One of the better cornerbacks in the league in the right situation.

[Isaiah Standback]

Define elite. Is there. Is there a statistic that you. That you can attach to, like if.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You'Re getting Pro Bowls and all pros? That would be an.

[Chris Beam]

He was elite. Now he's. I think he can be good. I don't think he'll be.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

And good would probably be Be like a serviceable starter in the league.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

See, I, I, you're not gonna be starter.

[Chris Beam]

He's not gonna. I think he's a starter in the right situation. I think he's a starter.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Someone pulled out the Josh Norman comparison and I'm like, all right, Mike. I could see.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You could see that. Where he kind of falls apart as and begin begins a journeyman career on the back half.

[Isaiah Standback]

Maybe.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I think that could be a possibility.

[Chris Beam]

I still think there are good days left in him. That's my only stance. I can't subscribe to the the fact that somehow Trayvon Diggs has forgotten how to play football or doesn't love the game. He didn't love the situation.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I don't think it's either one of those things. I just don't think he's got it left in him from a health standpoint.

[Isaiah Standback]

So I'm throw this out here. Naysha Wright is tied for second leader in the league in interceptions.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yes. He's not moving over from a starting spot.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Darn it.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

He's not moving over. He, he, he should have made a Pro Bowl. He probably will if they don't make the.

[Isaiah Standback]

But this is a player that we said.

[Chris Beam]

Eh.

[Isaiah Standback]

Too right.

[Chris Beam]

Nice. Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah. Sure. So Rico does well.

[Ad Voice]

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[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Okay.

[Chris Beam]

The right situation. That's all I'm saying.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Different situation.

[Isaiah Standback]

It's neither one of those guys.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I'm through multiple surgeries and multiple major knees.

[Isaiah Standback]

You're talking about lesser players though that are still doing well because of the right situation. Sure.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That happens every.

[Isaiah Standback]

That's what in his. Okay. I don't see how you see it as being different.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

He's gone through major knee injuries and he hasn't played the same. He's never been the same. He had a 2021 year where he had an incredible season and he hasn't played nearly that since then. 23, 24, 25. Doesn't matter. He never played the same. Tell me one year where he was even close to what he had been.

[Isaiah Standback]

When he had coordinator.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

No he didn't. He played like garbage the whole time. When in the back half of Dan quinn being here. 2023 he was not very good. 2024 he was not very good. We talked about this on the show multiple times.

[Isaiah Standback]

He didn't play well with Dan Quinn.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

At the back half of Dan Quinn. After the injuries. Nah, nah.

[Isaiah Standback]

After the injury.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Holy cow.

[Chris Beam]

All right.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

This is the best you want to do.

[Isaiah Standback]

Qb.

[Chris Beam]

I was going to say this is the best QB vision ever.

[Isaiah Standback]

Selective memory is a. Is a disease.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

This isn't selective memory. This is remembering. He's not the same player.

[Isaiah Standback]

Who is the same player on your team right now, Kyle.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Then what?

[Isaiah Standback]

Then you've had on your roster the last four years.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'd argue OSA Diggy Zoo has been a consistent player since he's been here. I'd argue that he had a down.

[Chris Beam]

Season last year, has some struggles.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

These are all younger guys anyways, though. I mean, Tyler Smith, we've just had a conversation.

[Isaiah Standback]

You've seen an uptick in OSA's place since he got his extension?

[Chris Beam]

No.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Absolutely. Whenever Q got here. Absolutely.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

CD Lamb. CD Lamb's certainly been an uptick since he got his extension. Dak Prescott's continued to take a step forward.

[Chris Beam]

CD took a step back before taking a step forward, but that's because he missed training camp.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, that was coming off of an injury, which plays a factor. All right, do you want to do QB vision and preview Giants?

[Isaiah Standback]

Absolutely.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

All right, let's do it. Beamer, let's get wide 80. Wide 80. It's time for QB vision with Isaiah. Stand back.

[Isaiah Standback]

Guys. One more week of this. The Giants defense. All right, let's hurry, get through this because we got a short, short version of this. All right? They are multiple. Multiple in their offerings. These guys run everything from a 4 to a 1 to a 3 to an invert 2. They mix it up relatively well on the. On the defensive side of the ball. I respect it. You can't really rest assured on what it is that they're going to do. They got some dudes, man. The Giants aren't as bad as people think they are. They got some. They got some solid guys on defense. If they're. If they are loaded anywhere, it's on the defensive side of the ball for sure. They still got Sexy Dexie. I don't think he's a player that he. I don't think he's the player that he used to be. But Sexy Dexy is still. He's still a force that you have to be aware of.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You have to account for him.

[Isaiah Standback]

You got to account for him.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You got to have a different defensive coordinator. You have a couple extra surgeries.

[Isaiah Standback]

Sexy Dexy plays nose.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

It's a different player than.

[Isaiah Standback]

Doesn't matter who he is.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Time. Time is sexy.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He hasn't turned it off.

[Isaiah Standback]

He has a nickname.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Did he turn it on? Did he turn it off? Is there a light switch there?

[Isaiah Standback]

I don't know. Sometimes a lot of big Guys do too.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Kyle's feeling the type of way we saw. We saw. I love it.

[Isaiah Standback]

Hey, did Chris Jones turn it on to turn it off this year?

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Okay.

[Isaiah Standback]

You don't want that on your roster mid play.

[Chris Beam]

We saw a mid play dominant player.

[Isaiah Standback]

All right, so watch somebody walk in the end zone. Okay, turn it on and turn it off. So Sexy Dexy is their nose guard. He likes to line up right over the center. So he's going to cause Cooper BB a lot of one on one opportunities. Let's just say it like that. I'm not even gonna say problems, but Cooper BB you better eat some extra ham or something this week because Sexy Dex, he's gonna literally just grab your shoulder pads and try to walk you back into Decks or Milton's pocket, whoever is playing quarterback tomorrow or this week.

[Chris Beam]

Deck.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah, we'll see. But anyway, so that's that. I don't think he's. He's not doing a whole lot of stuff for just pushing a pile. But what he does do for the rest of the defensive line is he creates level. Usually a pocket you like to see like a little half circle so that your quarterback, you know, run. Defensive ends have to run the loop and quarterback has a place to step up. Sexy Dexy does not really allow for that, which is why he can remain impactful because he is so big, he is so powerful, he can push the center back. And all of a sudden there are levels between your center, your guard and your tackle. So if there's levels instead of there being a pocket, now there's seams for guys to be able to get in and run different stunts. Who are those guys that are running stunts? Well, the guy that I really, really, really, really like on their side of the ball, and that's their, their inside linebacker, Bobby O'. Kerrike. I like him a lot. He 50, number 58.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You love these like linebackers with long, like multiple syllable last names.

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[Isaiah Standback]

Africans, bro. I'm not gonna say that, bro. I'm saying it.

[Chris Beam]

These Africans, he can say. I can say these Nigerians, bro.

[Isaiah Standback]

These cats can play.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Oh, these boys could play. And then in the international, you know, whatever thing that the NFL is doing is really opening it up for these guys. You're starting to see it. So that's pretty awesome. But yeah, these cats can play at the second level. Bobby is nice, he's physical. Brian Burns, to me, obviously he's a. He's has had a good career. I don't think that his light switch is necessarily on right now. Brian Burns is obviously somebody that you have to be account for, but again, he's. To me, he's one of those players that turns it on, turns it off. Very impactful. They gotta account for him because when he does turn it on, you can't really do anything about it. But one person who does not turn their light switch on or off, it just stays on. It is a freaking led. Okay. Leds. That doesn't go out at all. His name is Abdul Carter.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

51 defensive end. Freaking monster.

[Chris Beam]

Penn State monster.

[Isaiah Standback]

They were not, they weren't lying when they said that he was Micah Parsons.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Ish.

[Isaiah Standback]

They weren't lying about it. He.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He looks like him. Honestly.

[Isaiah Standback]

He does. He body physically body type looks like him. He has a number. He has a motor like a Max Crosby though. He's going to be a. He's going to be a hell of a player for a long time. I really like his game. He, Every play he takes, every snap is balls to the wall. It is a hundred percent. You're getting everything that he has. He's getting every move. He'll empty the tank, think. Look at you. You got me. I'm coming right back at you. Like he's that type of player. He has a lot of different moves. He can speed rush you. He could bull rush you. He'll spin, he'll do who they'll, they'll walk him off the ball, have a three down. It looks like a three down line. He'll be off the ball and they're gonna. What they're gonna do is put sexy Dexie at the nose guard position over the center. He'll go out there, take the center and then all of a sudden you got Abdul Carter running off of that. On a stunt, they do a lot of stuff like that to create pressures. Usually their pressure comes from five man rushes, not necessarily four, not necessarily six man rushes. So they'll bring the four down lineman and then bring a fifth guy. And a lot of times they'll have. They'll bring an out, they'll bring a linebacker. So I'll carry K. And they'll bring Abdul Carter from off the ball. So three down linemen, even though Abdul Carter is a dn, okay, they'll. They'll have them off the ball and it'll run stunts with him and. Okay. And that creates a lot of problems. And in the secondary, not necessarily impressive, but they don't have a problem walking up and manning you up and staying in your hip pocket. Nice fast.

[Chris Beam]

Killed it very quick. Can we get some Popcorn.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

These, these, these edge rushers are true.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, they're nasty.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, they're really good. So let's get some popcorn ready when we come back after the break with more talking cowboys plus our pick em second segment. Give us a call, 888-855-2297. Give us a call right now. We're gonna hear get your popcorn ready. Get your pickums ready too. When we come back.

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[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I can't believe he ate the whole.

[Isaiah Standback]

Thing of chicken wings and I can't believe we're staging a comeback.

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[Patrick Nosi Walker]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

I like when he's angry. I'm just sitting over here.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

It's never personal. It's never anything like we're going to.

[Isaiah Standback]

We're not going to always agree on everything. That's perfectly fine.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

It's part of.

[Isaiah Standback]

It's okay. Hey, 2025. Going into 2026. So it's okay to disagree with somebody's thoughts and their person, their. Their views and. And you can still be friends.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

And what do we call this show? That's before the Cowboys take the field every week. Say it with your dang chest.

[Chris Beam]

Best.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I love it.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

And that's what we're doing. All right. Josh is gonna say, get your popcorn ready.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It is the last one of the season. It is the last one. Oh, dear.

[Chris Beam]

No.

[Josh Rodriguez]

My goodness. Y' all know the deal. It's a bold prediction segment with a cinematic twist. It's been a fun year, Lots of great movies, and we've got just three more to finish us off.

[Chris Beam]

Finish us off.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'm gonna finish you off, buddy. And because there are too many movies.

[Isaiah Standback]

You'Ve got to choose, baby.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And you only get one ticket. First up, we've got.

[Isaiah Standback]

I don't want any tickets.

[Chris Beam]

I don't want it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You're gonna want this movie.

[Isaiah Standback]

Smash some mad.

[Josh Rodriguez]

The last Giants matchup gave us Russell Wilson in Super bowl champion form, which turned out to be more indicative of your defense than a dangerous comeback. And now rookie Jackson Dart leads the G Men. He's a young man who's brought some juice, some swagger to New York. He's got 13 TDs on the season compared to only five interceptions. And if any team needs a get right game, they know just who to call. This is D Supreme.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Darty supreme.

[Josh Rodriguez]

D Supreme. All right. Jackson Dart ends with a passer rating over 140. Oh, wow.

[Chris Beam]

Jesus. Good Lord.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That's a hefty passer, right?

[Chris Beam]

He kills you.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That's bold.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He kills you. Number two, eye on the ball carrier. All right. I on the. Yeah. You see Malik Davis just ran for over 100 yards for the first time in his career. He's been around for years, but something clicked in the second half of the season. A gear. Gear we haven't seen before. We still believe in Javante, but if Javante can't go, I want to believe Malik Davis goes back to back with another 100 yard game. Or is it a happy blue year? Guys, Does Phil Mafa get activated?

[Isaiah Standback]

Mafa.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Do the young Guns steal the shine in the season finale. My stat prediction is Malik Davis rushes for 100 plus yards in consecutive games. All right. And number three, the numbers don't lie. Nine straight wins over the Giants 16 of the last 17 baiting dating back to 2016. Time and time again, Dallas has treated the New York Football Giants like a little brother. And in the final game of 2025.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

We ain't leaving, we ain't going nowhere.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Because we are the Wolves of Wall Street. The Cowboys steal another one over the Giants on a butter Aubrey Game winner, Cowboys nation. No matter how the season went, no matter what changes are coming, some traditions remain the same. Cowboys over Giants. Get your popcorn ready because it's time.

[Isaiah Standback]

For a show, baby. I am buying my ticket to the all eyes on the Was it running? What was the second one?

[Josh Rodriguez]

I on the ball.

[Isaiah Standback]

Eye on the ball carrier. Yes. I on a ball carrier. That's what I want.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I'm going with them. I'm taking that one for I like the last one as the Wolves of Wall street possibility. I don't want it that I just don't think it's going to be that close. I don't think it'll take a game winner from BA Butter.

[Chris Beam]

I'm buying Wolves of Wall street because although I can't buy two tickets, I think Jackson Dart has himself a game against this defense.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Probably.

[Isaiah Standback]

Probably.

[Chris Beam]

But I also think that if Dak does play as they plan him for him to do so, Dak absolutely owns the Giants. So I think Dak and the offensive starters will have their way against the defense of the New York Giants. But I also think Jackson Dart is going to have some fun. So I think it could be a close game and I think but Aubrey might be tasked with winning this. So I'm taking Wolves on Wall Street.

[Isaiah Standback]

I think that this defense is going to blitz like 25% of the stage.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

They'Re coming after for sure. Joe Milton gets some snaps the dart. By the way, he would be just the second rookie Giants quarterback in history to beat the Cowboys in his rookie season. Only one that has ever done it was Eli manning back in 2004. All other rookie quarterbacks against Dallas are combined 0 for 6 and it's his.

[Josh Rodriguez]

First time playing the Cowboys and his.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

First time starting against the Cowboys. He played a couple but yeah, starting against the Cowboys definitely the case. All right, it's time now for our pick them segment. I did text Chris Beam for the name again. You might need to assist me here. Beamer after your Beamer bulletin. What's going on beam.

[Chris Beam]

All right, Beamer bulletin.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Josh is still in the lead with. Am I. I forgot my glasses.

[Chris Beam]

Oh, no.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I didn't even know you had 40.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What?

[Isaiah Standback]

What?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

What was that?

[Josh Rodriguez]

What?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Isaiah, 49 and 40 O. Kyle, 41 and 48. That's bad. Patrick, 48 and 49.

[Chris Beam]

Hey, rebuilt year wins you have, John.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Josh, how many beam say what?

[Josh Rodriguez]

How many wins did I have total last week?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

No total. Oh, 51 and 38 track at home.

[Isaiah Standback]

So go showdown, baby.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You gotta win four games to clinch it.

[Isaiah Standback]

Josh, he goes before me on pick.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Okay, so he's got to go first. All right, here we go. Who was the caller again there? Angel and Beaumont. Angel in Beaumont. What's going on? Angel?

[Caller Angel]

Hey, what's going on, fellas?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Hey, thanks for calling in. Appreciate you, as always. All right, we're going to roll through these pretty quick, starting with the games on Saturday. Couple division deciders, slash seed deciders. Panthers at the Buccaneers.

[Caller Angel]

Packers.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

The Panthers. All right, Panthers got the momentum. Josh, go with Panthers. Isaiah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Give me the buck. Nasty.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I'm going to take the Buccaneers there.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Can't just choose all. No, we're not flipping.

[Isaiah Standback]

You said the Panthers, right? Yeah, yeah, I said the Bucks.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's. What's that. You can't just choose the opposite of me.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

What if he gets.

[Chris Beam]

He actually can. Why?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, why not?

[Chris Beam]

You actually can either.

[Isaiah Standback]

You're gonna be.

[Chris Beam]

No, I'm taking the Buccaneers at home.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Okay, I took the Bucks, too, so. Panthers, Panthers, Bucks, Bucks, Bucks. Seattle and San Francisco Seahawks and 49ers. Isaiah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, let me go first. Let me go first.

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[Josh Rodriguez]

I'll take the Seahawks.

[Isaiah Standback]

Oh, you. Way to freaking go, buddy. Knew you're gonna do that. I'm taking the freaking Seahawks.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I thought you were gonna take the 49ers. No, I'm gonna take the Seahawks there as well.

[Isaiah Standback]

You know what?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

No, I'm not. I'm gonna take the 49ers.

[Isaiah Standback]

You're mad, man.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I'm switching it. That offense has been saying they've punted twice.

[Isaiah Standback]

It's not gonna be very pretty.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, give me the 49ers.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah. That defense is nasty. I'm taking Seattle. All right.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Taking Seattle. What do you got? Angel.

[Isaiah Standback]

Angel.

[Caller Angel]

I'm gonna take San Fran. I think Sam Darnold clams up and, you know, as a Cowboys fan, I often kind of root against San Fran, and I don't think. They never lose, man, when I need them to or want them to. So I think they'll take it.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

There you go. Lions at the Bears. Angel will let you start.

[Isaiah Standback]

Your turn to go first.

[Caller Angel]

Give me the Bears, Josh.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, it's Isaiah's turn to go first.

[Isaiah Standback]

You went like your.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, Bears.

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[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Give me the Lions.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay, I'm going Lions.

[Isaiah Standback]

I'm switching to Bears.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Okay, which one is Bears?

[Isaiah Standback]

Give me the Bears.

[Chris Beam]

I think Lions want to negatively impact Chicago's playoff standard, so I think I'm going with Lions on this one.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, I'm probably going to go Lions here, too. Falcons at Saints. Isaiah.

[Isaiah Standback]

Falcons.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Falcons.

[Chris Beam]

Falcons.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Falcons. Angel.

[Caller Angel]

Falcons.

[Isaiah Standback]

Crossing Street.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Congrats to the Saints.

[Isaiah Standback]

Three game winning, four games.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

They've been playing better. Ravens at Steelers. Final opportunity. Final opportunity to make it and squeak into the playoffs. King Henry, who had 216 yards, cost me my fantasy football championship last week. Not like I'm salty or anything.

[Isaiah Standback]

It's a game, Pat. Game.

[Chris Beam]

This a game.

[Isaiah Standback]

If.

[Chris Beam]

If King Henry doesn't fumble, I'm taking the Ravens.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, I think. Yeah, yeah. They're just going to give it to him like 60 times. I'm going.

[Isaiah Standback]

I'm going.

[Chris Beam]

Reagan.

[Isaiah Standback]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I think Baltimore runs over the Steelers.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Give me the Steelers.

[Isaiah Standback]

Steel Curtain, baby. Huh?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You're going with it.

[Isaiah Standback]

There's no dk. Yeah, I mean, no, no, no. I mean, no. What did I say? I meant the Ravens. Sorry, sorry. I meant the Ravens are going to destroy the Steel Curtain. Sorry.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Okay, got it. Angel.

[Isaiah Standback]

Ravens.

[Caller Angel]

I'll take Ravens.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

All right, angel, you get to start us off. Cowboys at the Giants on Sunday on Fox. Oh, yeah.

[Caller Angel]

Giants ain't messing up that draft pick. Give me the Cowboys. And Dax, actually, was he the passing leader by like 34 yards ahead of Stafford? So I think he wants to in the. In the, you know, get at least a passing. Passing stat champ or, you know, be first in that. So I think he has something to play for.

[Isaiah Standback]

All right.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Appreciate you, angel, as always, Josh.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Thank you. Going Cowboys, 30, 20, 34.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Patrick.

[Chris Beam]

Cowboys, 35, 27.

[Isaiah Standback]

Isaiah, 24. 17. Cowboys.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Cowboys with a 40. Burger 47. That's how we're going to end 2025 on a high note for Patrick. No see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back. Happy New Year's. Talking Cowboys family. We will see you on Tuesday. Thanks for listening. We will see you then. Stay safe, everybody. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

[Chris Beam]

How about this? Cowboys.

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