Talkin’ Cowboys: Macho Moves for More Depth

Summary

Talkin' Cowboys: "Macho Moves for More Depth"

Date: September 16, 2025
Hosts: Kyle Yeomans, Patrick "No-see" Walker, Josh Rodriguez
Special Features: Listener calls, injury round-up, deep-dive on roster moves
Podcast Theme:
This episode of Talkin' Cowboys centers on Dallas' evolving roster depth, the latest injury impacts, and fan concerns, with a heavy focus on the offensive and defensive lines, standout performances, and the ongoing adaptation required in a tough NFL season.

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Overview:
The crew breaks down the Dallas Cowboys’ latest injury news, the impact on offensive and defensive depth, and new roster additions—especially emphasizing Brock Hoffman’s rise to starting center. There’s extensive listener engagement around expectations for recent signings (notably Jadeveon Clowney), questions about wide receiver usage, and detailed reactions to key individual performances after a close win over the Giants.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Finding Rhythm After a Chaotic NFL Start

• Hosts poke fun at scheduling quirks: Week 1 Thursday start threw everyone off, but team (and show) rhythm is returning by Week 3.
• NFL Groove: "We're in a rhythm now. We've got one week down. We're going into the second week of normalcy." – Kyle (01:58)

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2. Injury News & Roster Depth Updates

Center Position: Cooper Beebe Out, Hoffman In

• Cooper Beebe Injury Details: Not a high ankle sprain, but a lateral sprain and a small bone fracture; expected out 6-8 weeks (04:08).
  • “It was Nick Harris that said it was the size of his head—and Nick’s got a big head, so pretty big ankle.” – Kyle (03:57)
• Brock Hoffman Steps Up:
  • Organizational trust discussed, including emphasis on his blue-collar, "glass eater" mentality. "He could play football in the 60s ... absolute lunch pale demeanor." – Patrick (07:33)
  • Main concern: Snap consistency; bad snap late vs. Giants is a sticking point.
• Depth at Interior OL:
  • Behind Hoffman is TJ Bass—a versatile, physical player.
  • “You’re in... you’ve covered yourself in that solid hands as far as your interior OL depth is concerned.” – Patrick (11:09)

Defensive Depth: New Additions and Cornerback Uncertainty

• Jadeveon Clowney Signing:
  • Clowney's side of negotiations shared: Dallas was his first and main choice, especially after Kenny Clark’s addition (24:36).
  • “He said, ‘Once the trade happened and he saw that Kenny Clark was acquired...he immediately got on the phone with his agent and said, Dallas is where I want to be.’” – Patrick (24:40)
  • Plans to gain weight back to 255 after being forced to drop for coverage in Carolina; here, he’ll be mostly rushing the passer.
  • Hosts caution fans not to expect Micah Parsons-level production or snap counts. “I’m not Micah Parsons, I’m Jadeveon Clowney.” — Clowney via Patrick (27:14)
• Secondary Concerns:
  • Daron Bland’s injury likely keeps him out until at least after the Bears game. Hosts trust internal recovery rather than panic-signing veteran Stefan Gilmore.
  • Savone Revel expected to debut around Week 5, adding much-needed CB depth.
  • Mixed league opinions on Gilmore’s speed/viability: “There are circles within the league that don’t think he can run anymore.” – Kyle (16:14)
• Kavonte Turpin Update:
  • Neck injury not considered severe. Could play vs. Bears; hosts relieved due to his impact as a return man (17:43).
    • “What would be just poetic? The best returner in the game right now returning a kick…in the house of Devin Hester.” — Kyle (18:30)

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3. Offensive Line, Running Game, & Physical Identity

• Hosts excited by Dallas’ recent commitment to running the ball:
  • “That’s a commitment right there.” – Lester, caller, on big 2nd & 22 run call (40:52)
• Javonte Williams Update:
  • Has “eased all of my quarries when it comes to the run game.” — Kyle (41:08)
  • 130 scrimmage yards, 3 rushing TDs in 2 games, joining Herschel Walker and Alvin Blunt for fastest franchise mark (44:44)
  • "Javonte Williams is proving himself, now that he's fully healthy, to be one of the dogs on this offense.” — Patrick (43:01)
• Short Yardage Philosophy:
  • Discussion on Hunter Luepke’s role as a non-ballcarrier, primarily a blocker and special teamer.
    • “His blocking, his ability to be a lead blocker is tremendous...That’s why you use him: short yardage, goal line, and special teams.” – Kyle (51:05)
  • Debate among hosts if he’s being under-utilized relative to contract.

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4. WR Depth & Special Teams

• Calls for Ryan Flournoy to get more WR3 snaps, as Jalen Tolbert again struggles with separation and blocking.
  • “...Right now at this point, I would love to see what Ryan Flournoy would do in Jalen Tolbert’s role.” – Josh (33:45)
• If Turpin sits, Flournoy or Jayden Blue should see more offensive and/or returner duties (35:17, 35:33).

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5. Dynamic Kickoff Rule Impact

• Return rates way up under new rules (from 33% to 78%); hosts love it while Turpin's healthy, unsure about long-term value (18:52).

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6. Listener Engagement & Notable Call-ins

• Mike in New York: Fired up about Clowney and asks for better coverage and pass rush (24:10).
• Miguel in Stockton, CA: Shoutout to overnight listeners; brings nuanced takes on Tolbert’s struggles as WR/returner, Flournoy’s upside, and CB woes. Also credits Devonte Williams, admits prior skepticism (29:30).
  • “I respect a person who can take accountability and say you know what, I was wrong. Miguel is a real one.” — Patrick (30:34)
• Lester in Minnesota: Praises O/D-line building and strong run commitment (39:51).
• Josh in Chicago: Wants more early CD Lamb jet sweeps and end-arounds but hosts disagree, citing risk/reward and CD's big receiving totals (45:24).
  • “You don’t need to... If you’re running the ball for 3, 4, 5 yards a pop, why put your guy in harm’s way?” — Kyle (48:18)
• Multiple wrestling references, podcast inside jokes—fun, loose banter.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Brock Hoffman is physical...a school football player in a new school era.” — Patrick (07:33)
• “The only concern is he needs to make sure that the snaps are crisp every single time.” — Jerry Jones, relayed by Patrick (08:22)
• “There are circles within the league that don’t think [Stefan Gilmore] can run anymore.” — Kyle (16:14)
• “If you’re going to insist on using Tolbert as a returner...then Flournoy needs to operate as WR3. That’s the offset for me.” — Patrick (34:03)
• “Javonte Williams is proving himself...to be one of the dogs on this offense.” — Patrick (43:01)
• “If we’re going to use that WR sweep...give it to Turpin.” — Kyle (48:57)
• “We can only speak to what we’ve seen or not seen.” — Patrick, on utilization critiques (53:05)

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Timestamps: Key Segments

• 00:57: Hosts’ introductions, NFL rhythm discussion
• 03:37: Cooper Beebe injury news & Brock Hoffman analysis
• 07:10: Cowboys’ internal trust in Hoffman
• 09:03: Micah Parsons vs. Brock Hoffman: anticipated trench battles
• 12:19: Cornerback room injury updates (Bland, Revel)
• 14:46: Listener concern about Gilmore’s speed, internal CB options
• 17:43: Kavonte Turpin prognosis, kickoff return discussion
• 24:10: Mike in New York on Clowney signing; Clowney's mindset/fit
• 29:30: Miguel in Stockton on depth chart frustrations, special teams, WRs
• 39:51: Lester in Minnesota on run-game identity, OL/DL progress
• 45:24: Josh in Chicago: CD Lamb in run game; hosts’ disagreement

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Tone and Atmosphere

Fun, knowledgeable, and honest—hosts mix serious analysis with lighthearted banter, wrestling jokes, and direct engagement with callers. They're candid about team concerns but enthusiastic about physical play, roster flexibility, and Dallas' effort to “build, build, build.”

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Summary

This episode is a rich snapshot of a Cowboys team adjusting on the fly—dealing with injuries at key positions, integrating new and returning players, and establishing an identity on both sides of the ball. The hosts break down not just the Xs and Os, but also the human and cultural elements: toughness in the trenches, leadership, and the hunger to capitalize on depth. Listener calls underline fans’ passion and anxiety about every roster move, while the crew maintains a measured optimism that makes for an engaging—and genuinely insightful—listen for any Cowboys follower.

Transcript

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Patrick No-see Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

We're doing it yet again.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Back, baby. You know, it's funny, like, you get into the routine of week by week in the NFL, so when you start week one on a Thursday night, it just kerfuffles, everything. Kerfuffles. You don't have any sort of rhythm. But you know what? We're in a rhythm now. We've got one week down. We're going into the second week of normalcy.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Week three of the season. I feel like we're starting to hit a groove here.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Just a white boy with rhythm over there. Like, like Baker Mayfield.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Play that funky music, if you will.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Did you see him lock in last night?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Absolutely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I. When they cut to that camera shot and they were down by six, I was like, oh, Texans are done. I was like. And it's not because of Baker Mayfield. It's just because of the look he was doing.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I think what really, what really did it was when he. He scrambled and he ended up kind of banging his knee on the turf a little bit. So he was down. So for second you're thinking, holy crap, this looks bad. And then he heard Gardner Johnson yapping at him and he immediately pops up on some super Saiyan 4 type stuff in his face. And at that point, I was like, oh, that's the Baker. You're going to get the rest of this game.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah. Yeah. So he doesn't play.

[Kyle Yeomans]

When he went down, I thought he had like broke his ankle.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Cuz I.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

He was.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It looked like it twisted.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like shoe fell off. I think that's. I think his shoe. So I don't know if he was ever writhing.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Yeah, he went from writhing, but I.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Think he's trying to put it back on. So that's why it was such an instant change because I thought the same thing at first. When he went down, I was like, oh no, he just broke his ankle. And I said that audibly. My wife like turned around and was like, did he? And I was like, well, now he's.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Chirping, now he's talking.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now he's like yelling at cj.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I've seen in a long time, I don't know, much like you, Kyle Baker is invited to every cookout.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Nice.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Because he is Baker's.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Well, I think he woke up. He. He woke up yesterday feeling dangerous.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

It's the thumbs up. What did you do?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I said we could carpool.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Nice.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I love it. I love it. All right, news and notes. We do have a couple things to hit here because we did not talk about it yesterday. But on Sunday, following the Cowboys 40 to 37 win over New York, Cooper BB leaves the locker room on crutches with a swollen ankle. I believe it was Nick Harris that said it was the size of his head and Nick's got a big head, so pretty big ankle. It was a high ankle sprain. Out six to eight weeks now. BB Done Brock Hoffman in for the meantime.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

That is correct. So Cooper BB Was officially moved to injured reserve on Monday. That did clear the path because the Cowboys were going to have to make a roster move anyway corresponding to the signing of Jadevion Clowney, which also became official on Monday. So it's just a clean swap there, but with that high ankle sprain is how it's described I'm looking for because Todd Archer had great detail detail on it. He was saying it's not actually a high ankle sprain. Oh, I'll find that in a moment. Nonetheless, that's going to thrust Brock Hoffman into the limelight as your starting center. This is something that the Cowboys were working to prepare for the potentiality of in training camp. That's why they gave Brock Hoffman so many reps at starting or not starting center at center with the second team. And you saw him equip himself very well mostly in that game. Against the Giants to close out. He did have the bad snap. So that's going to be a concern for me until I see the that you know, he gets that snap down and we're not talking about that. But outside of that there's no questioning the bully ball demeanor.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Glass eater.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Yeah, just absolute leviathan aura of Brock Hoffman.

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What a word.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Brock Hoffman, to clarify on the BB injury, he does not have a high ankle sprain but is dealing with a lateral sprain and a fracture of a small bone in that foot.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, so same timetable though, same time.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Still six to eight weeks. That's why it's six to eight weeks versus a high ankle sprain which would be probably be a little less than six to eight.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Yeah, that also depends because high ankles are very especially with office, for lack of a better way to put it. So.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And usually the bigger you are, the bigger the return table is for a high ankle sprain. I'm sure it's similar though with a fracture like that. So good clarification there. So not a high ankle sprain. That was really the big report across the league.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

But timeline is still the same which puts him if he is absent the entire eight weeks then he will be eligible to return after the bye week. So he will get that bye week as an actual additional day of rest.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Or what is the minimum given the injured reserve minimum of four and he's.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Not coming back after five. Not, not with this injury. So I would look on the longer end of this spectrum. So yes, he qualifies to return after four and the prognosis is six to eight given what we know, especially shouts out to Todd Archer for that information is closer to the eight week time frame.

[Kyle Yeomans]

How much does Dallas trust Brock Hoffman? Because yesterday Brian Schottenheimer talked about how Dak is comfortable with him. They are comfortable with him as a play caller. It does not change. And of course he's going to say it's not going to change, but I actually do believe him in this case because he's been around the organization because he's been a Brian Schottenheimer guy and they've put so much of an emphasis on rotating those offensive linemen through training camp for this purpose. Do you think they really do trust Brock Hoffman enough to keep this thing rolling in the right direction?

[Josh Rodriguez]

I mean they trusted Brock Hoffman enough to give him the start over Cooper Beebe early on last year.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Last year.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

That's true.

[Kyle Yeomans]

When Cooper and he was one of the first re signings this year to under Schottenheimer.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Absolutely So they trust in him as a depth piece on the O line. And this is exactly why you resign a guy like Cooper B. Or resign a guy like Brock Hoffman in that like Patrick alluded to, he's a nasty dude.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Nasty. Brock Hoffman is physical guy, school football player in a new school era. Okay. Brock Hoffman could play football in the 60s. He could play football in the 70s. I mean this is the type of just lunch pale demeanor that he has. He's blue collar, goes back to his childhood and, and just his upbringing. He talked about it kind of tongue in cheek. I remember last season we were asking him about just why he's so vocal and, and why he plays the game so viscerally. And he told a story about him being a child Pop Warner and he takes a hit and he starts crying and his mom pulls him to the sideline and asks him are you a word that starts with a P?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Ooh.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

And he was a pansy and he was eight. No, it was. It had five letters and it ended.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I was trying to clean it up for you.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Right. I think we all know as an eight year old. So Brock Hoffman is not. He's not for the games. He wants the smoke. He's with the business. So the, the only concern I and the Cowboys have, and Jerry Jones said this on 1053 the fan this morning. The only concern is he needs to make sure that the snaps are crisp every single time. That's my only.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Because you saw at least one or two bad snaps towards the end of the regulation last week.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

So you also saw Brock Hoffman on at least one or two of those plays, clutch plays that you know from Dak to CD Dak to Pickens. He handled Dexter Lawrence pretty effectively.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can I throw out a scenario that I'm looking forward to seeing throw it out a couple of weeks. You face a team called the Green Bay Packers.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There's a guy defense named Michael Parsons who wasn't heard of him necessarily. Michael Parsons an edge only rusher. He can rush on the interior as well.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I want to see Brock Hoffman absolutely annihilate Micah Parsons on like a, like a blitz up the middle.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's going to be a fight either way. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And whoever wins or whoever loses because you know Micah and the history between him and Brock at training camp. Remember DeMarcus Lawrence and the history that they had with Brock hopping Everybody has history.

[Josh Rodriguez]

The World vs Brock Hoffman at training camp.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So those defensive linemen aren't necessarily like ho hum about having Brock Hoffman in the middle of there because he is a glass eater and he is a tough sob. But you turn around and you've got Micah Parsons in his return to AT&T Stadium. You know who's going to try and set the tone? Brock Hoffman is going to try and set the tone. Michael will probably bother because they're going to go after each other.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Guys are going to win on both sides. It's going to happen. Michael Parson will win in a few.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Aspects of the game, probably most of.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Them, I guarantee you. But it'll be nice to have a guy like Brock Hoffman.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I just want that early. That's the only thing I'm asking for. I'm asking for a lot, actually.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Well, I think the beauty of it is, is it goes without saying, but let's say it anyway. Yes, there is a drop off when you go from a starter to a backup. That's just the science of. Of sports. Okay. But the good news is, is the drop off from Cooper BB to Brock Hoffman is not gargantuan. Right. It's. It's not the Grand Canyon. That's the good news. So you will get Brock Hoffman as starter. And then behind him, guess what? You got another glass eater, to use Kyle's term. T.J. bass.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

He's a gamer. Right. So guard, he can play tackle. He's taking snaps at center as well.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Exactly. They were giving him snaps at center in the preseason.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So that's your backup center now.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Yeah. Now you've, you. You're in. You've covered yourself in that solid hands.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

As far as your interior offensive line depth is concerned.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Do I like it?

[Patrick No-see Walker]

No. Hate that Cooper BB is not on the field. I hate it. But it's also true that when you look at who's coming up behind him. Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I posted a video on Twitter of Isaiah's breakdown. This. Before we knew Cooper Bibi was hurt long term. And it was a. It's. It's a part of the. The CD Lamb over the deep over that he ran and that was completed. The only reason that play happened was because of Brock Hoffman. Hoffman was rolling to the right and then he peeled back to his left and immediately found an edge rusher that at that point was free and locked him up, pushed him to the side. Dak was able to step up in the pocket and deliver a strike.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Delectable.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I would be. I am actually excited to see how the run game either improves or takes a step back. In terms of. In terms of your center, in terms of inside runs, I'd be curious to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Get better or get better BB get.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Better BB but also, let's see something.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Ladies and gentlemen, my name is no.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Here comes the pain.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

So keeping to the injury front, we got a little bit better news, I should say. Duron Bland. Speaking to the status of Duron Bland, Schottenheimer was a little bit more not pessimistic, but he's a little bit more weight.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And see, he's like uncommittal.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Yeah, he was a little more wait and see. It sounds, hearing Schottenheimer sounds like there is a better chance of Daron Bland.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And what did Stephen call it yesterday? A long putt from playing a long week. Playing week for those golfers out there.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Week three, rather week three, you know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

How it feels to step up and try and hit a long.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

So when you hear. That's a good point. So when you Hear Stephen on 105 3, 105. 3 the Fan yesterday, you hear Schottenheimer talking about Bland, you start to really feel like it's, it's aiming at the Green Bay game. You hear Jerry Jones on 105. 3 the Fan this morning and he said there's a, you know, solid chance that he takes the field against the Bears. I'm going to go majority rules and I'm going to assume that Daron Bland probably misses the game against the Bears. I think that's just a wise decision, especially given how given the magnitude of the game that immediately follows that Bears game.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't want to take any team for granted. I really, really don't.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

This is just got to play it smart.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But I want him healthy for Green Bay. Not just that, if at all possible, I want him 100%.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Not just that you don't want to risk a setback that could cost you Duron Bland in the back half of the season.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And Duron Bland may have had a setback last year. So we don't want to, we don't want to do anything like that again. You have more, it was never confirmed a setback.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

You have more quality offenses that are on the way, passing attacks and you just don't want to rep repeat of what happened in week two. Now keeping to running the cornerback room injury front some more good news. Jerry Jones told 105.3The Fan that when he was asked about the possibility of signing, resigning Stefan Gilmore, he said, quote, unquote, help is on the way. Internally, he mentioned Bland, but he also mentioned Savone Revel and he mentioned him in a great space. He basically intimated largely that Revel is nearing his debut for the Cowboys. Now Revel is on Puppy, so he still has to sit out two more games. Yeah. But if things continue as it sounds like they're going, which is in the right direction, you could possibly see him as early as week five. So, you know, keep an eye on that. If things continue to go progressively well, you could possibly see him on the field for week five.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Does that give you guys any confidence at all having not seen him?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sure.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

When you know what he's based off.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Of the tape from college that I absolutely loved and also based off of the tape that was shown by the Dallas secondary in week two. Yeah, it does give me a little extra confidence just to have a guy out there. I think the number for Trayvon Diggs was He gave up four receptions for 104 yards and two touchdowns.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't think that's good.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's not good. Not great.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Just confirming.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. But the, the whole thought process around just bodies there makes me feel better because I just need bodies back. If you're telling me Bland and Revel are back in the secondary by week five and you know, which is best case scenario.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Best case scenario. But if that is the case, if Rebel does make his Cowboys debut in week five, it's a great opportunity for him to build confidence against a New York jets offense. Yeah. Right. So that's. It's not like you're dropping him in against the Eagles or a Russell Wilson going for almost 500 yards. You're dropping him in against the New York jets offense that is still trying to figure their way out. Right. So that's good. Lastly, on the injury front, additional good news.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can I add one more thing to that real quick? You brought up. They asked the question about Stefan Gilmore.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

They did.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There's a lot of talk around Stefan Gilmore because he was already in the building. It was a different defensive coordinator. Let's go ahead and keep that there. There's. There are circles within the league that don't think he can run anymore.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

That is exact. Exactly what I knew you were going to say.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There are people that don't think he can run and have you.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Ok. To the letter.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Really? Yeah. That's. That's the concern. I think the Dallas. I don't know. I haven't heard this from Dallas circles. Let me just get that very clear. When it comes to Stefan Gilmore in the league, they. That's why he's still out there. I think he'll still get signed because somebody's going to need somebody break. Class of in case of emergency sort of corner, and he'd be good for that. He played decent for Minnesota last year. It wasn't like he was a bad football player. But dealing with the amount of injuries he did down the stretch, I think it's. It's taken a toll on him. And he's not the same players.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I have. I have definitely heard the same thing in league circles. Now, again, this is what we're hearing. We haven't seen gilmore run in 2025, so we don't know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I would like to see.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I was going to say I'm. I'm. That doesn't, you know, make me put a strike through his name. I would like to see him. I say, kick the tires. And if you get him out here.

[Kyle Yeomans]

In practice, well, you know, one thing he's going to. He's going to be smart.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

He's. He's going to be one of your more cerebral guys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

So I said, you. You bring them on. You give him some practices, try, you know, give them some game reps. If it turns out that those rumors in the league circles are true, then now, you know, at least you don't play the what if game. You know, with so much on the line this season.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I mean, do you even need to run if you're a cornerback?

[Patrick No-see Walker]

A little bit.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A little.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

You know what happens if Not a lot happens. You know what happens if you don't. You turn around and wind up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Then you're running a lot.

[Josh Rodriguez]

My God.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Yeah. Then you're chasing. Right. Lastly, some good news for Kavonte Turpin. He. He left the game with a neck injury after making a major impact against the Giants. He had a neck brace on in the locker room. I kind of pulled him to the side. I said, hey, Kevonte, how you feeling? What's going on? He said, I'm good, Pat. I'm good. And that seems to be holding true. Schottenheimer said yesterday that the test results on Kavonte Turpin's neck came back mostly clean. And now you hear Jerry Jones to 105. 3 the fan. Basically kind of echoing what Stephen Jones said to the fan yesterday, which was that it's. It's not a major concern at all. And there is a chance that Kevonte Turpin could be on the field this weekend against the Bears. But even if he is not, even if he is not, that tells you the lack of severity in that injury, the fact that they think there's a good shot for him to be on the field a few days later, you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Know, what would be just poetic? The best returner in the game right now returning a kick.

[Caller/Listener]

Oh.

[Kyle Yeomans]

To the house. In the, in the. In the house of Devin Hester, the best, best return man of all time.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Don't kick the Turpin.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That would be sweet. Yeah, that would be sweet. Did you see 78 of kicks have been returned this year because of the new rule?

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That it went from like 33 to 70. 78. That's impressive.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

That's what they wanted.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

One of the dynamic kickoff.

[Josh Rodriguez]

There's a conversation that we need to have at some point about the dynamic kickoff and our coverage in that play. But maybe down the road. I don't want.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think every team is struggling in that regard. Saw it last night too. Yeah, last night. Both of the games last night. They were big returns. And as a team that has an electrifying returner, I love it. I'm good with it now. Ten years down the road when we don't have an electric returner and these are still the rules. Maybe I don't love it as much.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I don't want to think that far.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, maybe Turpin's live it now.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Kyle.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Sorry.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Be where your feet are. Sorry, sorry.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know where my feet are.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Where are your feet?

[Kyle Yeomans]

In the middle of a Talking Tuesday. Give us a call. 888-855-2297. We're back with Talking Tuesday. When we return with more talking.

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[Patrick No-see Walker]

How's it going? You see that Cowboys game?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, I watched.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Been seeing some good things. Totally. They have some talent.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Hoping this is the year.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Go Cowboys.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Caller/Listener]

Hey, Mom.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Before you ask, I've done my homework and the dishwasher's unloaded. Nice. Hey, can you.

[Caller/Listener]

Hey, hon.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Yes, I've got the finale ready to play. Here's your wine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow.

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Back to talking cowboys. Shut it up.

[Caller/Listener]

Spill your mind.

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[Patrick No-see Walker]

Talking through.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I love it. I absolutely love it. Chris Beam with the talking Tuesday Sounder. Just getting in the groove Here in Week 3 of the NFL season. We're going to start things off with our pal Mike in New York with that kind of sounder and that type of intro. Mike, you're going to have to give us a banger of an energy banger of a call right off the top. Mike, what you got?

[Caller/Listener]

What's going on, guys? I'm happy Clowney's in the building. I think he's going to help us better with a better pass rush and our secondary's got to be better at that. Sunday was a disaster. I'm like, come on. Like, I understand we don't have bland, but we need a little better coverage.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Arguably, yes, That's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hey, well put. My well put. So he brought up Jadavian Clowney. You got the chance to talk to.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Him yesterday for a little bit. Shouts out to Nicole Hutchinson as well. She did a great interview one on one with him and then I did a sidebar thereafter. But he gave a lot of insight into his thought process. Number one, and his agent confirmed it to Todd Archer yesterday. This was his first and primary destination that he wanted to. To land in in 2025. And then he basically said that, you know, the Kenny Clark variable played a huge part in his decision. He said once the trade happened and he saw that Kenny Clark was acquired, combine that with Olsen Solomon, that he immediately got on the phone with his agent and said, dallas is where I want to be. Put in the call and see what you can do to get me in Dallas. And that's his quote. And then it just went from there. He and I kind of talked off the cuff a little bit about his plane weight. He said that I asked him about the question that Nicole asked as far as Iber flu's scheme, and he said, I go forward. That was his answer to Nicole Hutchinson. He said, I go forward. They had me doing a lot of coverage in Carolina. He didn't necessarily like that. It's wild to me that at 31 at the time, asked to do a lot more coverage than he's ever done. He still led the team with five and a half sacks and in pressures and in and in and in. Okay, it was a bad team. Yeah, fair. But the fact that he still got that mixing in coverage that he didn't want to mix in, that's. That's impressive. On the off the cuff conversation, we touched on that some more. He told me that in order to be able to do that coverage Effectively, he dropped 10 pounds. So from 255 to 245 to get that done. He's at 2:45 right now. He said that he expects and is ready to play against Chicago this weekend, but over the next couple weeks or so, he is looking to add that 10 pounds of muscle back. Wow. Because the conversation he had with Eber Fl and shot in the courting process, which was another selling point, Eber flu, told him, you will rarely, if ever, drop back. You're. We're going to send you forward. We're going to send you at the passer. And he said his ears perked up. And add that to the relationship with Schottenheimer. To Kenny Clark's edition. And then, I know a lot of people were saying, he said we had a good secondary. He visited after the Eagles game. So keep that in mind. Okay. So, all things considered, not only is Clowney in the building, he wanted to be in the building before the first game was played this season. He wanted to be in the building even more after the first game was played. And now he's just all smiles. He's ready to get to work as early as this weekend.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I like it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I like what he said in terms of us. Because somebody had asked him, like, you know, do you think you're going to replicate the. The production of one Micah Parsons? He goes, I'm not Micah Parsons.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I like.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'm Jadevion Clowney. You know, I liked what he said there. I liked what he said about the facilities.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

He's.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He's saying that we're kind of spoiled here by, you know, compare in comparison to the other facilities. Been around Lee, he's been to a lot of facilities.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Does it worry you that he's been with six teams now in the last seven years?

[Josh Rodriguez]

To me, he comes off as a guy that is very financially savvy.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That wants to go somewhere and get paid for what he's able to do. He's a Renaissance man, in my opinion. And I think this is putting him in the best position to not only win, but to get what he needs. And that's cash and that's stats. You know what I'm saying?

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Than me. Because at each of those stops, he's produced at a high level.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If you could give me five and a half sacks like he did last year, which I think is the low end, you give me five and a. I think I'm fine. Because you're cool with that. And you sprinkle that with what you'll see from Neyland and Fowler, hopefully he takes a step forward. That's another conversation we're going to have tomorrow.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And you're saying that the Panthers, yeah, they were a really bad team, but he was not a bad player on that.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

He was a really, really good player on a bad team. But if that team was he. He played for the Ravens, did he? Not a good team. He was one of the better players on a good team.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There you go.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

So, yeah, just a really good player. Yeah, just a really good player.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And again, like he's saying, like we are saying and I don't know that we've said it in such black and white terms, but don't expect Micah Parsons production. Really don't. It's.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Don't even expect Michael Parsons snap count. Nope. Yeah, you won't see Michael.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, rotational guy that has a lot of abilities and a bend that you're not getting from anybody else and somebody.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

That'S going to shorten those coverage windows. You, you want the secondary to improve, send more horses.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He gives you another guy that can close, that can close on the quarterback and then get there and get home. All right, let's go to Miguel in Stockton, California. What's up, Miguel?

[Caller/Listener]

Hey, guys. How you guys doing?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Doing great. How are you?

[Caller/Listener]

I'm okay. I actually hang out with Dartavius Mall. From the hood.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Yes, sir.

[Kyle Yeomans]

How's he doing?

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Behind his ear or like a small lightsaber behind his ear?

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah, he's on demon time. Just like we hope the Debian clown he will be.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Hey, I like it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I like it.

[Caller/Listener]

So, couple quick things. A first time caller. I listen to you guys every night at work. I. I work graveyard, so it's rare that I actually catch the show live.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

You're real. You're real.

[Caller/Listener]

But real quick. Like on Turpin, as soon as he got hit, I was kind of scared. I could tell something was wrong. I texted my friend. I was. Was terrified every time he gets hit. So I'm glad to hear he's okay because we need him back. I did not like Jalen Torbert on those kick turns at all. That's just me.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

That's actually a fair assessment.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah. And hopefully we get something out of Ryan Flournoy because I don't really understand why he hasn't got his shot yet. Tolbert. I mean, granted he made that one diving catch which we really, really needed, but that one off the sideline, he needs to pull that in. Devonte Williams. What? What a surprise. He's been. I used to say a lot of bad things about Him. But I'm glad everything's working out.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I respect that. I respect that you. I respect a person that can take accountability.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Absolutely.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

And say, you know what? I was wrong. Miguel is a real one.

[Caller/Listener]

Same thing with Kenneth Murray. We talked a lot of crap about him after week one. He looked really lost out there. And then I noticed him right away yesterday or on, on Sunday, I should say. He looked. He was all over the place. Probably had about 10 tackles or so. And that defense, man, I don't know what's going on with that pass coverage. I, I was having fits on all those Russell Wilson deep balls because so everybody said, yeah, yeah, Wandell Robinson, I don't know how he was open so often. Malik Neighbors is a guy. So that one I kind of understand. But Donovan Wilson has to get back there. I don't know if it's a miscommunication on the back end or what's going on, but we need to fix that. And hopefully next week I hope there's some familiarity with Matt Eberflus and Ben Johnson. Hopefully we can fix some of those problems because I do not want to go 1 and 2 and going into green. Yeah, I mean, that's it for the most part. I like what I've seen so far from Coach Shoddy. Everything looks good. Hopefully we see some Jaden Blue pretty soon. Shout outs to Miles Sanders too, for that touchdown. I mean, it doesn't really make us getting caught from behind, but it's a start. And yeah, man, Go Cowboys. Hopefully everything keeps looking up and that's all I got for you guys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Appreciate you, Miguel. Appreciate you listening. And yeah, like Patrick said, that's Miguel the analyst. He got it all figured out.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Listen. And to deliver that information on a tired mind because he works graveyard.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Oh, Miguel, you woke up to give us that call.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What a dude.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

We'd love it was a grinder.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I want to start with the Flannoy conversation. That's where I want to start.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Would you. Would you like to.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You activate. You activate Ryan Flournoy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's on the roster.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

He's on the roster.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And in the fourth quarter when you desperately need it the most, you are throwing critical passes. Third and fourth down passes to one. Jalen Tolbert, granted, he caught one. He dropped one. That put you in a fourth down situation. And he made a good catch, no doubt, on fourth down when you needed it. My thing is I don't know that I'm seeing enough in run run blocking and enough in his routes. I don't think blocking the Blocking is rough and him getting open, just getting separations. Kind of gripe that we've had since last season when we didn't have one George Pickens. And you're relying on Jalen Tolbert out there to get open, get, get separated, get help CD Lamb in one way or another. And it just wasn't happening. And I'm not seeing that progression. I'm not seeing a guy that has changed his game from last year to this year. It's. And I, I don't want to be disrespectful at all. I mean, I'm just calling it like I see it, right? And to me at this point, I would love to see what Ryan Flournoy would do in Jalen Tolbert's role right now.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

And to that point, unfortunately, Flournoy, although signed from the practice squad to the active roster this past weekend, only 11 offensive snaps in this game. Only 11. The majority of his reps came on special teams. He had 21 special team snaps. And we know that he can play ball on special teams. That's not in question. We also know that he can play ball on offense. So we would just like to see Ryan Flournoy get the opportunity, get some of those, those targets, especially in critical situations. And think what really concerns me is in the event Kavante Turpin can't play against the Bears. So he's ruled out against the Bears. If you're going to keep Tolbert as one of your returners but also continue to designate him as your WR3. Yeah. With that workload, he's going to be so gassed from the returns that it starts to further negatively impact what he's able to do on offense, right? So some for me, something's got to give them there. And the good news is, is you know what can give, right? If you're going to, if you're going to insist on using Tobert as a returner in this game against the Bears, in the event Kante Turpin can't go, then Floy needs to operate as WR3. That's the offset for me. That's the offset and or oh first of all, I do agree shouts out to Miles Sanders. He did have that touchdown that was critical. Helped impact the game. Cowboys helped Cowboys win. Javonte Williams, he started to really find his group.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Almost had that 100 yard game.

[Caller/Listener]

He was right there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's your dude now.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

But this, if Turpin can't go, this is a good opportunity for Jayden Blue. So even if the knock on Jay and blue right now is even if the knock is that he's struggling to learn the playbook and he needs to show more consistency there. I'll tell you what, he knows how to return a kick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, he does.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

There's no playbook to returning a kick. So run fast. Yeah. Hit a hole, catch ball, run fast, avoid guys.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, we can take our second break. When we come back. We've got two more callers. Lester in Minnesota, Josh in Chicago. We will get to you very, very shortly. On to the third segment of talking Tuesday on talking Cowboys.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick No-see Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

I'm home.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Hey, mom. Before you ask, I've done my homework and the dishwasher's unloaded. Nice. Hey, can you. Hey, hon. Yes, I've got the finale ready to play. Here's your wine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick No-see Walker]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

Sheila, let's hear from our next caller.

[Caller/Listener]

Would you Dear doctor My friend supported.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

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[Caller/Listener]

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[Patrick No-see Walker]

Being a shoulder to cry on? Okay, this one's easy. I say give her a delicious Dr. Pepper. Nothing says thanks girl better than a one of a kind soda. Yes, any Dr. Pepper flavor will do. Now, just a reminder that I don't.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Need to be a real doctor to.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

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[Caller/Listener]

Hey, good morning guys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Good morning.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Morning buddy.

[Caller/Listener]

My tagline, I call in a storyline a lot. My tagline is until we get a good to very good offensive and defensive line at the same time, this is what we got. So I have, I say that to say that I am very pleased to see that they built up both of them and they're, they're really, really building up the defensive line. I'm very happy that we kept Hoffman and I'm very glad that we got Clark and Clowny and I know that I'm an old school football guy, played in high school, and I like running the ball and I'm, and I, you know, it's been said for a few years, we're gonna run the ball, we're gonna run the ball. But this year I see it because I saw that one play, I think it was the end of the third quarter, fourth quarter, I believe, and we were like second and 22 or something, the second 27. And they ran the ball. So that's a commitment right there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Caller/Listener]

And then the running back got like 18 yards or something. I was like, wow, now that's a commitment to running the ball. And I just, I love it, man. I love it. We're just building, building, building, building. What do you guys think?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I completely agree. Great call, Lester. They did stick to the run and it's a bit refreshing and to see that whenever you were unsure about the running game going into it. And Javante Williams, let me just say, has eased all of my quarries when it comes to the run game. I mean, I believe in Javante Williams. The cuts, the patience, the acceleration. I think he's, I don't know if he's rookie year Javante Williams when he was setting the league on fire in Denver. I don't know if he's there, but he's not far off through two games and he looks legitimate.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I believe in Javante.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, we're going gospel now.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

No, that's actually WWE shouts out to Jack injury. We'll, we'll, we'll get you up based on cough. Javante Williams failed three yards short of his of 100 yard rushing game.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And he was my X factor.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Remember that was. He was 100 yards, 30 yards from scrimmage. 130 close.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Only counts in horseshoes and hangers.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I know.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

130 yards from scrimmage. Third rushing touchdown and only his first two games. Averaged four, 5.4 yards per tote on the ground and averaged five and a half yards as a receiver out of the backfield. Given the Cowboys 33 yards receiving on six targets. Javante Williams is proving himself now that he's fully healthy, proven himself to be one of the dogs on this offense. And when I say dog, I mean you saw his bark on that, on that 30 yard touchdown. Yeah, you saw it because Tyler Smith is pulling. He didn't get his blocker clean blocker kind of gets through at that point. If you catch that still right there, you're like Javon Williams.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Is this is a loss for one yard.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Dead to rights.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Dead to rights. The vision, the patience, the physicality, the shrug. That guy off, the next guy off and still have to burst to go forward and get I. Everything you want in a running back outside of pass pro was displayed on that one play.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Absolutely. You gotta love it. And he's never been a doubt in the coach's mindset.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

No.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Brian Schottenheimer has been very, very vocal about Javonte Williams and his ability and their confidence in him since training camp. We didn't see it and we're like, why isn't he out there?

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Preseason.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But what are we doing?

[Kyle Yeomans]

We also said that going into it is like, it's tough to see running backs all the time. We say it every year and everybody's like, why is Jaded Blue not the starter? It's like there's a reason. There's a. I'm not saying, but general, we need to give Jaden blue 25 carries. And there's. That's fine. That can come at some point in time, but not right now. I want to give that guy 25 carries.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He Absolutely. And early on in the game when things weren't working out for you, obviously their game plan going into it was we're going to run Javante Williams, we're going to run him against the front interior runs. I didn't love it but. And it wasn't working out necessarily and I wouldn't against that. That defensive front, but they kept with it and he still started showing up in bursts when he's running to the outside. And then of course that amazing 30 yard touchdown down the middle. So they had faith in him that it was going to keep going as. As the game went along. Javante Williams is an X factor. Absolutely. And they've believed it since training camp and now people are starting to catch up on it. I love it, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I put this stat in big facts last week and it came on Dallas Cowboys.com on Dallas Cowboys.com and there's another article coming, coming out tomorrow. We'll see. No, it'll happen tomorrow. Williams. Javante Williams joined Herschel Walker and Alvin Blunt as the only three Cowboys with three rushing touchdowns through their first two games with the franchise.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Is that good, Kyle?

[Caller/Listener]

Pretty good.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Pretty good stuff.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Wow.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I like it. Javante.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And how many rushing touchdowns do we have total? Is that four?

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Four?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Because one with his mouse Miles.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So. And how many did we have as a team all of last year?

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Six. Yeah. I'm thinking we're back like John Wick. We're back.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sorry, Rico. Dowdle.

[Caller/Listener]

Sorry, buddy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're having fun in Carolina.

[Josh Rodriguez]

All right. He's not.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, he's not having fun.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He's not having fun in Carolina.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sorry, Rico.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Good choice, buddy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, I still like Rico.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Get out of here.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, Josh in Chicago, our final caller here on this.

[Caller/Listener]

Hey, let me talk to you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that was awesome.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

That was.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What's up, Josh?

[Caller/Listener]

So to quote Macho Man, Randy Savage, all these injuries unjustifiably in a position I rather not be in.

[Josh Rodriguez]

In the morning.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Injuries.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Go ahead.

[Caller/Listener]

One of the things that I was kind of looking at during the game, I gotta say, I think Booker is holding up really well. But in the running game, I think they got to get that wrinkle with CD Lam on those end arounds again. You know, CD kind of started slow, and I feel like when they get him involved early with those, it really just kind of opens him up in the passing game more. I wanted to see more of that. Hopefully we'll see more of that this week, especially with Turpin, you know, seeing how he progresses throughout the week. Got you guys there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, you're here.

[Caller/Listener]

I think I walked around my office. I think I cut out for a second.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

That was some devonte Turpin type hesitation there.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah. But, yeah, that's the main thing I wanted to call and say is I'm liking what's going on in the run game, but I think we got to get CD Involved in it more. I think that'll help out a bit, but y' all have a great day. Hopefully I'll get in touch with you guys on Friday.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sounds good. Appreciate you. Josh in Chicago.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Chicago made punk over there. Josh in Chicago.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What the heck was it that.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I see what you did.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What was at the beginning of that call?

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Josh, the voice of the voiceless.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What was that?

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Need you to understand.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's black.

[Caller/Listener]

It's a black cry in the morning.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Yeah. Macho Man, Randy Savage. Snap into a damn Slim Jim.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Kyle, I need you to send me a link. Send me a cup of coffee inside.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Say less. Say less.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I have no idea.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

We really have to get this guy up to speed. Be on. On all things, Kyle.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What if you pivoted to wrestling, like.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Instead of watching football and.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Yeah, no, not instead.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What if you left the Dallas Cowboys and just went into independent professionals?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I feel like I'd have the voice for it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Absolutely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like, I could. I could get.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, you would be excellent doing, like, the commentator Water polo. You would be excellent being the commentator that actually gets into the matches and being like a smug commentator.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Yeah, he'd be the heel on come commentator.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You, you would be an ideal commentator.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I'm going to play this really quickly. Quick second. This is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, no.

[Caller/Listener]

Because he'll never get closer.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Macho man. Man. Just one of the greatest ever.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, back to the call. Josh in Chicago saying he wants to get CD Lamb involved in the run game a little bit more. I think I'm good without it.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

No, I'm good without it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I. I see what he's trying to say. I get it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

McCarthy ain't here no more, babies.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, it's not even just. You don't need to, you know. Yeah. If you're running the ball effectively for 3, 4, 5 yards a pop, why put your guy in in harm's way?

[Patrick No-see Walker]

And then it comes, it comes to durability. You need CD Lamb healthy for the entirety.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's had 100 plus yards in each of the first two games.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

So, yeah, don't add additional hits because when you start handing the ball off, you're basically giving linebackers carte blanch to square him up. Right. And get those hard hits that they otherwise wouldn't get a shot at if he's running downfield against cornerbacks. So I. It when it was needed last season. Okay. This season, it's so not needed right now. Play it smart.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Exactly. Maybe later in the year if the run game sputters and you need some kind of jolt. I could see that. But I would rather use a guy like. And not to put him in harm's way either. But also just because of the speed. The end around with Kavante Turpin has shown to be quite far more effective.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Absolutely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Even than when CD Lamb had the end around.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Well, if you're trying to give it to Javante Williams 25 times a game. If you're trying to give it to Miles Sanders another five or six times a game. And we're trying to get Jayden Blue involved as well. If he gets active one of these games. Cavante Turpin needs a carrier too. Come on, guys. How many times are we running the ball? Really?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Caller/Listener]

I.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If we're going to use that wide receiver, sweep that end around. I give it to CD Or I mean, excuse me, give it to.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I'll tell you who's not handing the ball to Hunter Lips Licky. I don't understand carries again.

[Josh Rodriguez]

They love him.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

I understand why. I understand why they love him. And I can't be more clear in the fact that I love the versatility of Hunter Lipkey. I love the physicality of Hunter Lipke. I love that if you were utilizing him, I know what he would bring for you. My, my gripe is that you're not using him, but he's on the game day, Rock.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's there. I mean, he's taking special team snaps.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

That's fine.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Absolutely. But you know what?

[Patrick No-see Walker]

If, now, if you're in the up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Back in a couple different.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

If you're in a situation where you may be without Kavante Turpin and you're not using Hunter Lipke on offense, you could use Jaden Blue as your returner.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Because you just said, okay, well, Hunter gives you something on special teams. Okay, well, now you need a special teams returner. You know what I mean? So I'm, I'm not saying. But I'm saying so again, I can't be more, I can't stress this more. My gripe last week, this week, has nothing to do with the ability of Hunter Lipke. It is there. I agree with the, the contract extension and what he can be for this team. But if you're choosing not to use him, then I need that spot to be utilized for somebody who can impact the game.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think it's kind of interesting how you, me and Isaiah all view this very differently. I look, I like that Isaiah, Isaiah looks at it as, why did you sign him and why do you need to use him in, like, in a ball carrier?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Because they're not.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because they're not going to. Whereas I see it as. I'm glad they signed him. And I think what he does best as a football player is off the ball is when he doesn't have the ball in his hand. I think he's a weapon when he has the ball in his hands. But his blocking, his ability to be a lead blocker is tremendous. He's great in goal line sets. That's why you use him. Short yardage, goal line sets, and then on special teams as well. Well, so I, I like what he does without the ball in his hands. And then you, like, you're, you're saying, okay, I'm glad they paid him, but why aren't they not using.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Why are they.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know, it's like if we all see it in a very different way, I'm sure, Josh, you're probably somewhere in there as well.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I just, I'm not seeing it. Not seeing it. And you paid him. You want to see him more involved in the offense. But then again, it's like they're. They have a plan going forward. I think he's going to get. It's game two. I mean, I'm just. We will see him.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

One thing goes the other.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But if. But if he's not being utilized and he's on the active roster, you're. You're losing a spot there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But I would argue he is being.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Utilized in special teams and in short yardage.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You short yardage, it gives you a benefit. I mean, how much has the. Have the Eagles won it because of their short yardage situation? Cheating or not, the tush push.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's the first office everybody.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Or the former neutral zone.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. When you. When you look at their short yardage game, how many games have they won because of that?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Quite a bit. Short yardage is a massive part of football. And I think he gives you elements there and elements on the special team side that you are using. He's just not getting touches.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And I don't. I don't think his value comes from that, but they did pay him quite a bit of money for a guy that only plays special teams.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And to not get any touches. So that's where that last part of.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

What you just said.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And. And I. I get it.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

That's it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. And I get it. But I think there's a reason he.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

Has several abilities that I love for this team. Yeah. Just saying if you're not using them, I can point at a couple other guys that you could be using.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We are also in week two. We are very early and we've only seen. But we can only remember how the bag goes. You don't want to go all the way down to the bottom of the bag.

[Patrick No-see Walker]

But we can only speak to what we've seen or not seen.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We've seen like a seven iron and an eight iron.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Gotta go.

[Caller/Listener]

All right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

For Patrick no see Walker. For Josh Rodriguez, for Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeoman saying so long from talking Cowboys. We'll see you tomorrow as we preview the Dallas defense versus the Chicago offense. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys football club.

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